WEBVTT - Deep Dive: Royal Portrush

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Port Rush is hosting the Open Championship for the

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<v Speaker 1>third time. Let's dive deep. I'm Garrett Morrison and this

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<v Speaker 1>is designing golf.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here with my Frida Egg golf colleague Matt Ruschis.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going, Matt doing well, doing well? So Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna help me with this deep dive on Royal

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<v Speaker 1>port Rush today because, unlike me, you've actually been to

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<v Speaker 1>this golf course. You saw it last year on a

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<v Speaker 1>trip that you Andy Johnson, Brendan Porath and Cameron Hurdis

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<v Speaker 1>took for our Explorations series. People should check that out

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<v Speaker 1>if they they haven't already. There was a podcast series.

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<v Speaker 1>There are articles associated with it, a bunch of cool

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<v Speaker 1>social stuff. Great trip that you took focused on northern Ireland.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did port Rush sit in your itinerary? What was

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<v Speaker 1>its role? Did you stay in the town of port Rush.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having trouble remembering that details of what you all

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<v Speaker 1>did there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So we came in through Dublin, made our way

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<v Speaker 2>up the coast to Newcastle, which is where Royal County

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<v Speaker 2>Down is, spent a few days there and then drove

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<v Speaker 2>up to port Rush, which sits basically at the northernmost

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<v Speaker 2>part of Northern Ireland and the entire island of Ireland.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's way up there. And yeah, we stayed right

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<v Speaker 2>there in town. Like you could basically see the golf

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<v Speaker 2>course from our place. It's it's honestly like a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>small town that sits on this peninsula that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>juts out into I believe it's the North Atlantic Ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>and from like there, like you have a great view

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<v Speaker 2>kind of looking back in towards the dunes where Royal

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<v Speaker 2>port Rush is. So we we got to see Port Marnick,

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<v Speaker 2>Royal County down and ard Glass before we set our

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<v Speaker 2>sights on Port Rush.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so port Rush was kind of a culmination. You

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<v Speaker 1>saw some other courses and then you're then you're able

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<v Speaker 1>to see Port Rush.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Funny thing about the geography there you're describing how it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's at this kind of northern most point of or

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<v Speaker 1>a very northern point of the island. It's actually relatively

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<v Speaker 1>not that hard too, if you were to take a

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<v Speaker 1>boat trip to go right across to like where Macrahannish is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in Scotland, and.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, there's a there's a plan a foot among

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<v Speaker 1>some of the Macrahannish owners and operators to maybe design

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of situation where where people can go play

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<v Speaker 1>Macrahannish and then take a little flight across to Northern

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<v Speaker 1>Ireland and see Port Rush and County down. So these

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<v Speaker 1>this this area is kind of it's all one area,

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<v Speaker 1>even though there are different countries and not necessarily thought

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<v Speaker 1>of as being that close together. Now, you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the famous things about Royal Port Rush is that

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<v Speaker 1>it sits right on this kind of entrance into town.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have that experience of coming into town and

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the links for the first time? Was this part

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<v Speaker 1>of the trip?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the entrance, I think when Rory was on

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<v Speaker 2>our podcast he spoke to it in depth, like the

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<v Speaker 2>first time he saw it, because it's like truly an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing drive. So we were coming up the coast and

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<v Speaker 2>we stopped up at the Giants Causeway, which is this

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<v Speaker 2>really cool kind of like rare ecological like rock formation

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<v Speaker 2>that's right on the coast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is like a major attraction. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>World Heritage site famous for a long time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But so we were coming from over there, which

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<v Speaker 2>is I guess they'd be just east of the town

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<v Speaker 2>of port Rush, and you're kind of up on these

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<v Speaker 2>cliffs overlooking the ocean there, and you pass the Dunluce Castle,

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<v Speaker 2>which is I think it's like a fourteenth century castle,

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<v Speaker 2>really really old castle. So you kind of pass that

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<v Speaker 2>and you come around on this corner and then all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden you have this like incredible view. You're

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<v Speaker 2>probably a couple hundred feet above like the town of

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<v Speaker 2>port Rush and the golf course because you're up on

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<v Speaker 2>these like high coastal cliffs and you just like come

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<v Speaker 2>around this bend and there's this amazing, amazing view of

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<v Speaker 2>the dunes land right there, which shits in between you

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<v Speaker 2>and the actual town of port Rush. So the reveal

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<v Speaker 2>like when you're driving is really really spectacular and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>increases your anticipation if you already weren't really really excited

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<v Speaker 2>to go see Royal port Rush. Yeah, very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Love a love a good drive into town where you

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<v Speaker 1>get a preview of the golf course. So our basic

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<v Speaker 1>plan for this episode, Matt, is for us to tell

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners everything they need to know about the Dunloose

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<v Speaker 1>Links at Royal port Rush Golf Club. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the land, the routing, the characteristics of the hairy cult design,

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<v Speaker 1>the greens, the hazards, thex, the agronomy, the recent renovation

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<v Speaker 1>work done by Mackenzie and Ebert, the overall architectural significance

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<v Speaker 1>of the place, and then finally we'll talk about some

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<v Speaker 1>specific holes to watch for during the open. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>get into the history of rural Port Rush. I've done

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<v Speaker 1>some research on this subject. There's a lot of really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting bits and pieces of this history that I want

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<v Speaker 1>to cover. So the club was founded in eighteen eighty eight. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>by this point in the eighteen hundreds, Port Rush the

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<v Speaker 1>town was a vacation spot and it was accessible by train.

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<v Speaker 1>The railroad arrived to this town in eighteen fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>and this transformed Port Rush the town from just a

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<v Speaker 1>small fishing village into a very popular, bustling seaside resort town.

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<v Speaker 1>On its way into Port Rush, the train route passed

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<v Speaker 1>the Duneland where the golf course now sits. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>the train route was the current day highway route into town.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously people would would look out the windows of

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<v Speaker 1>the train and see this duneland, and if there were golfers,

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<v Speaker 1>they would see really obvious land for a golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>So two of the most prominent founders of Royal Port

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<v Speaker 1>Rush were George Lockhart Bailey and Thomas Gilroy. Both were

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<v Speaker 1>Scotsmen born in eighteen fifty two, born the same year,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were advocates of golf. Bailey was raised in

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<v Speaker 1>East Lothian, became a school teacher and was posted as

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<v Speaker 1>an English master at Belfast Academy. When he was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine years old. He helped establish Ireland's first golf club,

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<v Speaker 1>which was Royal Belfast in eighteen eighty one, and just

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<v Speaker 1>went on to kind of become a Johnny apple Seed

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<v Speaker 1>of golf in Ireland. He'd go on to help form

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<v Speaker 1>Royal County Down and many other clubs. Thomas Gilroy grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in Dundee and was trained in golf by Old

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Morris's brother George, so Gilroy played a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>his golf at Carnoustie, went to school at the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Saint Andrews and regularly played with young Tom Morris

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<v Speaker 1>while he was there, maybe encountered Cebe McDonald, who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>He moved with his family to Ireland in eighteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 1>where they bought one of these kind of grand Estates,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly from a wealthy family, and he went on to

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<v Speaker 1>establish County Louth Golf Club or Baltray as it's more

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<v Speaker 1>commonly known. He helped to design Royal Dublin and was

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<v Speaker 1>just one of the best players in Ireland. Was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of known as the golf guy in Ireland. So these

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<v Speaker 1>two men, Bailey and Gilroy, joined with members of several

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<v Speaker 1>leading local families to form a club in Port Rush,

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<v Speaker 1>initially called the County Club. Now, this was the fifth

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<v Speaker 1>golf club to be established on the island of Ireland,

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<v Speaker 1>so this was early days of golf and Ireland and

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<v Speaker 1>the first statement of the club's committee went like this.

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<v Speaker 1>It said, the sandy hills or dunes around Port Rush,

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<v Speaker 1>if properly laid out and cared for, will in a

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<v Speaker 1>short time form excellent and attractive links. So the purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of the club really from the beginning was to take

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of this outstanding land that they were all familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with next to this popular vacation town. So what happened

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<v Speaker 1>next was was kind of clever and indicate some things

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<v Speaker 1>about how golf developed during this period. George Bailey connected

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<v Speaker 1>with the Belfast and Northern Counties, railway to lease the

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<v Speaker 1>land from the Earl of Antrim. So the Earl of

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<v Speaker 1>Antrim was kind of the administrator of this land and

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<v Speaker 1>to lease the land from him, Bailey connected with a

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<v Speaker 1>railroad company. So the railway influence on Royalport Rush and

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<v Speaker 1>many other golf courses was absolutely critical. The construction of

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<v Speaker 1>railroads in Great Britain and Ireland helped to create this

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<v Speaker 1>culture of travel and a kind of fad for travel.

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<v Speaker 1>Before this, most people rarely left the region where they lived.

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<v Speaker 1>With the railroad in place, more and more people were

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<v Speaker 1>using trains to escape from the congestion and the pollution

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<v Speaker 1>of the cities where more and more of them now lived.

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<v Speaker 1>This was happening at the same time as urbanization in Ireland,

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<v Speaker 1>Great Britain and Europe. A lot of people moving to

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<v Speaker 1>cities and access to the railroad gave them a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to escape those cities from time to time to go

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<v Speaker 1>visit these seaside towns. So it was just a lot

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<v Speaker 1>easier to get from cities like Belfast in Northern Imla

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<v Speaker 1>or what's now known as Northern Ireland to towns like

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<v Speaker 1>Port Rush for a week or a weekend of recreation,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, around this activity was created an entire

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<v Speaker 1>travel industry, or as they call it, a holiday industry

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<v Speaker 1>in Great Britain and Ireland, especially along the coast. It

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<v Speaker 1>was thought to be healthy to go to the coast.

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<v Speaker 1>Cities were thought to be bad for you in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways, and going to the seaside was thought

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<v Speaker 1>to be good for your health. Golf became part of

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<v Speaker 1>this industry. So the Belfast and Northern Counties Railway understood

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<v Speaker 1>the potential of golf to attract tourism and motivate people

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<v Speaker 1>to buy train tickets, so they agreed with George Bailey

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<v Speaker 1>to lease the land for the golf course in Port Rush.

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<v Speaker 1>They helped to create Royal Port Rush because they knew

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a nice little tourist attraction that would

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<v Speaker 1>motivate people to use their railroad. So the County Golf

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<v Speaker 1>Club formally opened on May twelfth, eighteen eighty eight. The

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<v Speaker 1>original course consisted of nine holes occupying a forty acre

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<v Speaker 1>plot called the Big Triangle. This is right next to town,

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<v Speaker 1>right under that peninsula jutting into the ocean that you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about earlier, Matt. So this is a triangle kind

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<v Speaker 1>of formed by different roads that you can still see

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<v Speaker 1>on Google Earth Maps of port Rush. Now today there

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<v Speaker 1>are no holes golf holes remaining within the Big triangle.

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<v Speaker 1>But originally the course was just there, and the course

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty well regarded at first. I guess there was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good land within the Big triangle, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>what the Belfast newsletter. The newsletter was a different thing

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. It was a newspaper. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>that paper said about the course in eighteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>It said, port Rush, the town has many attractions. It's

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful situation, its bracing air, its proximity to the Giant's Causeway,

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<v Speaker 1>together with its extensive sands and excellent sea bathing, have

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<v Speaker 1>rendered it a favorite place of resort. Golfers will be

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<v Speaker 1>delighted to learn that to these has just been added

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<v Speaker 1>one of the finest golf course of the three kingdoms.

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<v Speaker 1>So right away what would become Royal port Rush was

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<v Speaker 1>a well regarded golf links. Now the ground on which

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<v Speaker 1>the nine holes had been laid out was close to

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<v Speaker 1>the railroad, the railway station, it was right there, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it had all just the elements of good golf

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<v Speaker 1>right away. Old Tom Morris ended up visiting port Rush

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<v Speaker 1>in the summer of eighteen eighty nine, so this was

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<v Speaker 1>just a year after the club was established. Old Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Morris visited and he ended up providing some on the

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<v Speaker 1>expansion of the course to eighteen holes. Initially just had

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<v Speaker 1>nine holes within the Big Triangle. Old Tom Morris came

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<v Speaker 1>to town and gave some guidance on how to expand

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<v Speaker 1>the course outside of the Big Triangle and into the

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<v Speaker 1>actual more dramatic duneland that was to the east of

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Triangle, so more away from town, deeper into

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<v Speaker 1>the links. Old Tom Morris was saying, 'ro oute your

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<v Speaker 1>course there now. The specifics of the advice that Morris

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<v Speaker 1>gave were never recorded. It was just assumed. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that they were followed. And Morris never returned to Port Rush,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not like he built this course. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not like Prestwick where it was Old Tom Morris's course.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just there.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that he provided some advice and an eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>hole course was soon built. So the club acquired the

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<v Speaker 1>land to the east this more dramatic duneland in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>and the eighteen hole course opened that year. This new routing,

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<v Speaker 1>presumably recommended by Old Tom Morris, had a classic loop

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<v Speaker 1>out and back structure. It started in town, ventured out

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<v Speaker 1>into the dune land, looped back around in a counterclockwise direction,

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<v Speaker 1>and then visited the coastline before returning to town. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is what old Tom Morris did in many courses.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we can assume that this is basically what

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<v Speaker 1>he recommended. Just take the golf course out there inland,

0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.160
<v Speaker 1>loop back around, you know, graze the coast, and then

0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.800
<v Speaker 1>come right back. There was a hole on this course

0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:47.240
<v Speaker 1>called the Crater, which played directly over a massive blown

0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:51.480
<v Speaker 1>out dune. Now I'm not entirely sure which hole this was.

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<v Speaker 1>The sources that I've read from the eighteen nineties and

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen hundred it's about the course, are a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit confusing. It They seem to indicate that the hole

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<v Speaker 1>was on the back nine, somewhere like in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>or towards the beginning of the back nine, maybe hole

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen or fourteen. But the photos of the hole that

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen have show the hole being fairly close to

0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.720
<v Speaker 1>some houses in Port Rush, which would indicate that the

0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.840
<v Speaker 1>hole was more on the front nine. So I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>little bewildered as to what the exact routing of the

0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.320
<v Speaker 1>course was and which hole this was, But it was

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<v Speaker 1>a very memorable hole. It was a bit like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the maiden hole at Royal Saint George's which

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<v Speaker 1>no longer exists, just playing right over this obstacle, and

0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:43.440
<v Speaker 1>it made certainly a very striking photo. So at this

0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.120
<v Speaker 1>time the course was still called the County Golf Club.

0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:52.360
<v Speaker 1>It was renamed Royal County Club in eighteen ninety two

0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:56.040
<v Speaker 1>under the patronage of the Duke of York, then renamed

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<v Speaker 1>again Royal Port Rush Golf Club in eighteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>now under the patronage of the Prince of Wales. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the nineteen twenties it was still this golf course

0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.200
<v Speaker 1>that was Royal Port Rush Golf Course, this old Tom

0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Morris routing. But a lot of advances in ball and

0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:20.240
<v Speaker 1>club technology had happened. The course had fallen behind the

0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.560
<v Speaker 1>times and the club leaders saw the need for a redesign.

0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.520
<v Speaker 1>They were especially anxious to attract the best players in golf.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been a through line in the history of

0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Royal Port Rush, the desire to host big tournaments and

0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the emphasis on competitive play. They got to a point

0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.680
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen twenties where they felt they weren't attracting

0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.400
<v Speaker 1>the quality of players that they wanted, so they needed

0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:47.360
<v Speaker 1>to improve their course somehow during this time, during the

0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties, the club actually figured out a way to

0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.880
<v Speaker 1>cut out the railway company that had helped them secure

0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.760
<v Speaker 1>the lease of the land initially and they negotiated their

0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.640
<v Speaker 1>own ninety nine year lease on the land from the

0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Earl of Antrim or whoever it was, yeah the Earl

0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:09.439
<v Speaker 1>of Amtrim in nineteen twenty eight. Around this time, the

0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:15.040
<v Speaker 1>club also engaged Harry Colt to design two new eighteen

0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.399
<v Speaker 1>hole courses. So they had one eighteen hole course, but

0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.080
<v Speaker 1>they had a lot of Duneland. Harry Colt was brought

0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.560
<v Speaker 1>in to show them how they could make full use

0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.320
<v Speaker 1>of it create thirty six holes of golf. So Harry

0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Colt quick sidebar on him. He's in the discussion for

0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.080
<v Speaker 1>the most influential golf architect of all time, no doubt

0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:39.399
<v Speaker 1>about that. He started designing courses in the first decade

0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.000
<v Speaker 1>of the twentieth century. Among his first projects were the

0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.720
<v Speaker 1>design of Rye Golf Club and the redesign of the

0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:50.720
<v Speaker 1>old course at Sunningdale. Went on to design Swinley Forest

0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Saint George's Hill in the new course at Sunningdale. All

0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:58.359
<v Speaker 1>in the English Heathlands, also renovated and redesigned much of

0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the modern open Roda, including Mierfield Royal Liverpool. Made key

0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:09.520
<v Speaker 1>contributions to golf architecture on the European continent, particularly with

0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a couple of great Links courses in the Netherlands. In

0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.560
<v Speaker 1>North America, he designed Toronto Golf Club, Hamilton Golfing Country Club,

0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Old Elm Club, and he provided really important assistance to

0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:27.359
<v Speaker 1>George Crump in the design of Pine Valley Colts. Changed

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<v Speaker 1>the way that golf courses were built. He changed the

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<v Speaker 1>way that golf features were built. He was one of

0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the first architects, maybe even the first golf architect, to

0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:40.720
<v Speaker 1>blend artificial features into the natural landscape in an intentional way.

0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:46.120
<v Speaker 1>He also adopted the strategic ideas pioneered and promoted by

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<v Speaker 1>John Lowe, Tom Simpson and others, emphasizing options and angles

0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:56.399
<v Speaker 1>rather than straightforward punishment for poor strikes. He just brought

0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a new level of sophistication and artistry at a golf

0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:05.600
<v Speaker 1>course design trained Charles Allison and Alistair McKenzie, who then

0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.680
<v Speaker 1>exported this approach to golf architecture.

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<v Speaker 2>Across the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Allison and McKenzie courses that you see have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the characteristics that early Cult courses had

0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:20.400
<v Speaker 1>embodied his philosophies to a great degree. So Harry Colt's

0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.960
<v Speaker 1>influence on architecture just spread all over the world by

0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenties, and by that point his career was

0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.919
<v Speaker 1>really winding down. Royal Port Rush was one of his

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<v Speaker 1>last really well known designs. Now, it wasn't until nineteen

0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.400
<v Speaker 1>thirty two that the new courses were built, the Dunloose

0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Links and the Valley Links. Essentially nothing that I can

0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.240
<v Speaker 1>see was kept from the old Tom Morris course, maybe

0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:51.960
<v Speaker 1>a whole corridor here and there, but these were brand

0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:55.040
<v Speaker 1>new courses that really didn't take much inspiration from the

0:19:55.040 --> 0:20:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Tom Morris course. The company Frank's Harris and Company had

0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:05.120
<v Speaker 1>worked with Cult previously carried out the construction and members

0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.399
<v Speaker 1>played the new championship course the Dunloose Links for the

0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:12.600
<v Speaker 1>first time on Eastern nineteen thirty three. The core of

0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Colt's Dunloose Links still exists today with some modifications that

0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:22.040
<v Speaker 1>will discuss, and he also designed, of course the Valley Links,

0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.159
<v Speaker 1>which although owned by Royal port Rush is home to

0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Rathmore Golf Club and the Royal port Rush Ladies Club

0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.120
<v Speaker 1>is a primary course for those clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>So the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Major change to Royal port Rush came in the nineteen thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>The first major change to Colt's design, that is this

0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.040
<v Speaker 1>is when the town of port Rush purchased the remainder

0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of that big triangle near town and they wanted to

0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:51.439
<v Speaker 1>build a new school, so that purchase included the first

0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:55.679
<v Speaker 1>and eighteenth holes of Colt's course. So Cult returned in

0:20:55.760 --> 0:21:00.399
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen thirties to advise on some replacement holes, but

0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the club's professional PG Stevenson, ended up actually designing them.

0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Stevenson's holes were different from what Colt suggested, but Colt

0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 1>apparently said that they were better. These holes, the old

0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.840
<v Speaker 1>eighth and ninth and the current tenth and eleventh, were

0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 1>completed in nineteen thirty nine, so the routing had already changed.

0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.040
<v Speaker 1>The first and eighteenth holes original holes had been chopped

0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.879
<v Speaker 1>off and more holes had been built deeper into the

0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:33.480
<v Speaker 1>lynx Land rowport Rush hosted the Open Championship in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one, the first time it Open had been held

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the island of Great Britain. It was won

0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.120
<v Speaker 1>by Max Faulkner, an English golfer who apparently did most

0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.320
<v Speaker 1>of his damage in the late forties and early fifties,

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't host another open until twenty nineteen, and

0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:55.280
<v Speaker 1>of course won by Shane Lowry. So we'll talk about

0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.520
<v Speaker 1>some more kind of recent history of Royal Port Rush

0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.359
<v Speaker 1>a little bit later in this episode, but that's the

0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:07.040
<v Speaker 1>basic story of the formation of the course, and in

0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:12.399
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<v Speaker 1>dive into some characteristics of this golf course that Harry

0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Colt designed and has been altered in some ways, but

0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:34.359
<v Speaker 1>basically still embodies what Harry Colt envisioned in the early

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:38.400
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirties. When you think about the land at Royalport Rush,

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:42.639
<v Speaker 1>what are the main features of the property. What's the

0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.200
<v Speaker 1>structure of the property, Where's the interesting stuff, where's the

0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.200
<v Speaker 1>less interesting stuff? How is it all kind of laid

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 1>out out there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the land is like far and away

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.879
<v Speaker 2>one of the best assets to Royal Port Rush. It's

0:23:56.000 --> 0:24:00.400
<v Speaker 2>such an incredible variety of links land and it took

0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:03.560
<v Speaker 2>me a while, like I actually kind of just recently

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 2>understood this because this was actually this trip that we

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.199
<v Speaker 2>went on last March. It was my first time like

0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.240
<v Speaker 2>making a trip to Scotland or island or to play

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:18.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, these classical links type golf courses and Portmarnick

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:22.119
<v Speaker 2>I guess is more like the Scottish Links where it's

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of this low lying land with smaller undulations, and

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:29.119
<v Speaker 2>then we went up to Royal County down which is

0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:34.600
<v Speaker 2>like these incredibly dramatic like landforms and huge sand dunes,

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:39.880
<v Speaker 2>and it, like, I guess it like surpassed my thoughts

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.239
<v Speaker 2>of what real links golf was in this like kind

0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.640
<v Speaker 2>of more low lying and less intricate land. And that's

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:48.959
<v Speaker 2>what Royal Port Rush has is which is why it

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 2>makes it so great. It has huge, long, broad slopes

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:57.360
<v Speaker 2>alongside really choppy dunes that kind of layer on top

0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 2>of each other and create these really amazing peripheries on

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 2>holes like nine, ten and eleven kind of in the

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:07.959
<v Speaker 2>middle section, but in general it's just like a very

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 2>very good variety of land and at the same time,

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:17.040
<v Speaker 2>like you're set right on the water there and the

0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 2>land like really goes up high once you go inland

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 2>there to kind of this rolling farmland, so you have

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.440
<v Speaker 2>really long views up the coast of the rocky coastline

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 2>you can see the farmland inland and then just some

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:33.880
<v Speaker 2>of the most incredible sand dunes you'll ever find where

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 2>the two golf courses, the dunes SLINKs in the valley

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 2>course sit so I really do think that the land

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 2>is one of the greatest assets. It's so different than

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 2>what you see a lot of the other ROTA courses,

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 2>at least from my perspective seeing them on TV, and

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:53.399
<v Speaker 2>what I haven't visited very many at all, but that

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 2>was the definitely something that stood out so much to

0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 2>me is just how good the land is at Royalport Rushing.

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:04.919
<v Speaker 1>That distinguishes Irish Links Golf from Scottish Links golf or

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 1>even most English Links golf, just the sheer scale of

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>the land, the size of the sand dunes, it's just bigger.

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 1>And then another interesting aspect of Royal Port Rush is

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:20.360
<v Speaker 1>that it has like that spectacular coastline as well that

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 1>you can actually see. Although there is a big dune

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:26.479
<v Speaker 1>ridge along the coast, there are places where you can

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:28.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of get through it, get up and over it

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>and really see the ocean. So it's almost it's like

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>more of a site that Mike Kaiser would like, you know,

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 1>and would be attracted to for one of his resorts,

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 1>more so even than a lot of the sites we

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>see for Scottish Links. So in general, the land toward

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the town, my understanding is that the land toward the

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 1>town is more subtle than the land that you get

0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>too deeper into the links land. So how does that

0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.880
<v Speaker 1>all function? Is there more detail there that I should

0:26:59.880 --> 0:27:00.359
<v Speaker 1>know about?

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Not really, I would say you're pretty correct in that

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of the further west you go on the property,

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 2>the more subtle the land is. It's still like exceptional

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.280
<v Speaker 2>land to build golf on. It just doesn't really compare

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 2>to how dramatic and choppy and really really undulating the

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 2>land is more towards the center, and then kind of

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 2>the coastline where the fifth hole plays too, So that

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 2>includes like holes one and two kind of play over

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:30.879
<v Speaker 2>these more broad slopes and it climbs you up to

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of a high point on the most inland side,

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:37.119
<v Speaker 2>which is definitely the highest point of the course. And

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>then also kind of the eighteenth hole sits in a

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:45.159
<v Speaker 2>little bit more I guess gentle land, which is still

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:48.159
<v Speaker 2>obviously very very good land for a golf course.

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:52.400
<v Speaker 1>All right, So that's the land. Let's talk about the routing.

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Take me through how the current routing of roll Port

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Rush basically works, and then we can get to about

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the past routings.

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the current routing, you have the first I

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 2>would say four holes are kind of climbing up around

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 2>the perimeter of the property. So based on on the

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 2>two courses, the clubhouse kind of sits in the middle

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:17.359
<v Speaker 2>for the dunlost links, and.

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>You on the southern end of the property farthest away

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 1>from the coastline, which is on the north.

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you're yeah. One one is essentially the furthest

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 2>inland hole that you play, So you're starting about as

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.640
<v Speaker 2>far inland as you can and you make this direct

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 2>b line towards the ocean. Per se, you play up

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>the hills kind of on one. Two, three is pretty level,

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 2>and then four is slightly down towards the water. But

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 2>once you get up to the fifth t it's this

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 2>like it's this high vista. You have this very very

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 2>panoramic view of the North Atlantic Ocean, the entire fifth holes.

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 2>There you get to see like all the dunes in

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 2>their in their whole glory. The massive un ridge that

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of protects the seventh hole from the ocean there

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 2>is right there in view. So that's like the start,

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 2>which I really really enjoy because it builds this anticipation.

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 2>We're up on this high ground. You look down to

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 2>all the holes in the center of the golf course

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.480
<v Speaker 2>and you see people playing down there, and it's building

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 2>this anticipation to get down into this really dramatic looking

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 2>duneesland to play all these holes that go through the

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>center of the property. And then from there you got

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 2>to play down to the coast edge, which is almost

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 2>like a cliff edge. It sits up probably maybe forty

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 2>feet above the actual beach, so you can get up

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 2>onto the edge of the green there you're overlooking the water,

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 2>you can look down on the beach. There's always people

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>down there. That's something that stood out to me very

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 2>quickly is how much the locals just utilize the beach

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 2>and the dunes on the perimeter of the golf course.

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 2>There's these little hiking trails. Actually spent one just walking

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the beach and going up on that main dune ridge

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 2>and looking at the course from up there, which is

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 2>a really cool perspective. So it's really cool to see

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>how integrated this golf course is with the town and

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 2>how many of the locals are using it even if

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>they're not out there to play golf. And then the

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 2>new holes that were added, which I'm sure we'll dive

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 2>into a little bit deeper in a little bit are

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 2>seven and eight, which took up the land that the

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 2>old fifth and sixth holes of the Valley course played over,

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 2>So that's the seventh pole, kind of playing through this

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 2>valley up against that main large dune ridge that borders

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 2>the ocean there, so you play out along the coast

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>there again, and then you start coming back inland, and

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>then there's these little loops that you play throughout the

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>center of the property in holes in nine through eleven

0:30:56.560 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 2>per se, and there you're just kind of playing now

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 2>in one direction through these very very choppy dunes, and

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 2>then you come back, you cross over, you loop around,

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 2>and then one more time. So it's really kind of

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>interesting when you compare it to other old Links courses.

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>It's not a true out and back. It is in

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 2>some fashion where you're going out and you don't return

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 2>back until the eighteenth hole, but there's these these different

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 2>types of loops, and it's a little bit more intricate

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and complex of a journey going through the natural terrain.

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>And then after that you you kind of reach this

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>other climax after you get through the middle section of

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>the course and you come to the perimeter where the

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 2>fifteenth hole you crest up over a hill and that's

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>where you get another really awesome panoramic view of the water.

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 2>The fifteenth Green kind of sits a little bit down

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>from where you're hitting your approach shot, and then obviously

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 2>you turn the corner there to one of the most

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 2>famous part of threes in the world, the sixteenth Calamity Corner,

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 2>and then from there you're playing over some very very

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>dramatic land. The sixteenth and seventeenth there are really really

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 2>cool golf holes that play over some very undulating terrain,

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 2>and then the eighteenth, I would say, brings you back

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:16.959
<v Speaker 2>into kind of that more gentle land for kind of

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 2>like a smooth landing to the under year round.

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of kind of mirrors the first hole

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 1>in some way as a return to the broader slopes. Yeah,

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>it's such an interesting routing. Basically, I like to imagine

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 1>it as a journey out the climaxes on the fifth green,

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 1>right out on the cliffs, and then you kind of

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 1>turn back, but really you're doing these squiggles around the

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>choppy dunes there in the middle. You're just kind of

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>looping around those and taking turns and exploring them, and

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 1>then eventually you find your way out through Calamity Corner

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and Clambity Corner. The whole sixteenth hole plays over a

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:03.800
<v Speaker 1>massive orge basically it's just a really impressive land form.

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>And then the seventeenth hole plays up and over a dune. Yeah,

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and these these two big, uh pieces of the terrain

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>are are kind of what you're what you're going for

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 1>in the routing and as they provide a re entry

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>into the more subtle land. So you know, when you

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 1>consider just the the overall quality of this routing, what

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 1>do you think the big strengths are. What are your

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.600
<v Speaker 1>big takeaways from why this is a good routing.

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>I really think it's the variety, because you're getting to

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 2>such different like types of land within this very diverse

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 2>links land. Something I was actually just thinking about too

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 2>that I'm kind of thinking about, like why Harry Colt

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 2>shows this specific section for the Championship dunloose Links and

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>then the other one for the valley, And I think

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>it's because of maybe potentially this like high ground where

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 2>you come up high, you're overlooking the golf course. You're

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 2>playing this really like you're just on top of the

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 2>world almost. It feels like when you're walking those fairways,

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 2>you can see the entire rest of the two golf

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>courses there. You can see into the town. There's a

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 2>ferris wheel in town that is kind of like it's

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 2>almost like a beacon, like you keep seeing it on

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 2>the horizon line as you're playing the course. And I

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:28.800
<v Speaker 2>think why he did that is because of the journey

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 2>out to the ocean. It builds the anticipation. And then

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:34.760
<v Speaker 2>the land is just so good in that middle section.

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:38.879
<v Speaker 2>It has such amazing undulations that are smaller scaled and

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 2>create such unique different kind of undulations in each fairways.

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:46.240
<v Speaker 2>And then he just found such amazing natural green sites.

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>So I really think it's the variety. And none of

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:52.280
<v Speaker 2>the holes play in the same direction, so the wind

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 2>is affecting it in such different ways. And then when

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 2>you look over to the valley course, it's called the

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 2>valley for a reason. The state sixteenth hole is kind

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 2>of one of the edges. The sixteenth on the dum

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 2>loose links that is, is kind of one of the

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 2>rims of the valley, kind of the high points and

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 2>the steep sides of the valley. So when you look

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 2>down to the right on sixteen, you see how like

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:17.800
<v Speaker 2>it's much flatter. It's kind of this flat bottomed valley

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 2>in between the dune ridge that the sixteenth plays over

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.360
<v Speaker 2>and then that large dune ridge that is on the

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>border of the shoreline that I spoke about earlier. So

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 2>you have these two massive dune ridges and the valley

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 2>just kind of sits in this low lying land in

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 2>between it, and it's it's perfectly great land for a

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 2>golf course. It's just maybe a little bit less interesting

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 2>and not quite as complex. The complexity of the dunlus

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Lynx Land is just it's so good, Like there's there's

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 2>never a spot where you're like, oh, this kind of

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:53.360
<v Speaker 2>looks the same as this over here. It's always constantly changing,

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 2>and then the journey in which you experience each of

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 2>these different types of kind of dunes within the site

0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:03.440
<v Speaker 2>is constantly changing. So it's just such a dynamic golf course,

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:06.440
<v Speaker 2>if I had to put it in one sentence.

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And it's a cool contrast between the two courses,

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.839
<v Speaker 1>the dun Loose and the valley, because one is kind

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:13.959
<v Speaker 1>of on the high ground, on the really dramatic land.

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>One is more on the low ground, the low section

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 1>of the property, on perhaps less complex land, but still

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>really good. And you can assume that on really windy

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.080
<v Speaker 1>days the valley course is probably a little more protected

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:33.400
<v Speaker 1>from the wind by that big dune ridge and the

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 1>other dune ridge on the other side inland, and so

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:39.799
<v Speaker 1>maybe that would be a more pleasant place to be

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>during the bad weather days. It does serve its purpose.

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Tom Doak, and one of my favorite phrases that I've

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:51.479
<v Speaker 1>seen from him refer to the valley course at royal

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Port Rush as the dun Loose Lynks's hot little sister.

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>So that's I guess you can imagine it that way

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:04.879
<v Speaker 1>as well. We could say this for our renovation work

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>section when we talk about what Mackenzie and Ebert have

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>done with the dumb Loose Links in preparation for these

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:15.360
<v Speaker 1>modern Open championships. But I want to just quickly refer

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>to the changes of the dumb Loose Links as routing overall,

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 1>which I think are really interesting. The original Harry Cult

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 1>routing of the dumb Loose Links started much closer to town.

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:35.280
<v Speaker 1>As I mentioned earlier, it started in that big triangle

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>it's basically abutting the town of royal Port Rush, and

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 1>so there was a first hole in that big triangle.

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Then you cross the road and play another hole, which

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 1>until fairly recently was the first hole. No, it was

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 1>the eighteenth hole. Teenth on the dumb loose links that

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>used to be the second hole, and then finally you

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>get to the third hole, which is today's first hole. Essentially,

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:06.920
<v Speaker 1>what this means is that the journey out to the

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>fifth green to the edge of the cliffs took longer.

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 1>The fifth hole used to be the eighth hole, and

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 1>then there was a longer journey back, and then in

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the round when you're kind of exploring

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 1>this really good links land, it was a simpler route

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>through those. Basically, from the fifth Green in Harry Colt's

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 1>original routing, you turned directly back inland, went inland for

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>a couple of holes, and then looped around and went

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 1>back toward the coast to hit Calambity Corner, and then

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:45.799
<v Speaker 1>finally you turn inland again to make your way all

0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 1>the way back to town. This was not a pure

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 1>out and back routing. There's a little kind of loop

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>or almost em the shape in the middle, if you

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>can imagine it as these two kind of curves of

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 1>a m. But it did have that out and back

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 1>character a little bit more and somewhat more in common

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 1>with kind of classic links courses that would often start

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 1>on very dull land closer to town and take you

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 1>out to the interesting stuff. The modern Royal Port Rush

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 1>starts much closer to the really interesting land. It gets

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 1>you much quicker to the cliff, and a lot of

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.240
<v Speaker 1>people might like that better. A lot of people might say,

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 1>I prefer to spend all this time, to spend most

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>of the round in this fascinating dune land. But there's

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:39.800
<v Speaker 1>something about that original routing that is kind of pure.

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:43.440
<v Speaker 1>You can really see the intention of the routing and

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Harry Colt's initial plan for the course, which which lasted.

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 1>It only was in the ground for only six years

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 1>because it was nineteen thirty nine when they took out

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>those the first and eighteenth holes that were right close

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 1>to town. But in that original routing you really see

0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 1>that Harry Colt's intention was to take the plays on

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>a journey out to the cliffs, loop around back through

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:08.759
<v Speaker 1>the interesting duneland inland, and then loop you back around

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to hit Calamity Corner. Those are the two things that

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 1>he was going for. The two magnets of the routing

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>cliff side on on that current day fifth hole and

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:22.919
<v Speaker 1>the big gorge at Calamity Corner for the current day

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>sixteenth hole. It's I think it's such a fascinating routing

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>because it is so simple in that way. It's like

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 1>he clear he saw those two landforms and or saw

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.439
<v Speaker 1>those two points on the property and was like, I'm

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 1>going there. That's the whole point of the golf course.

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 1>That's muddied a little bit. Now you can't see that

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 1>as clearly because basically they've put a lot more holes

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 1>in the in the middle of the links land of

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.719
<v Speaker 1>of of the course, and that's just, you know, it

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 1>is what it is. The courses evolve, and this is

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 1>how that course has evolved. And I guess to be

0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:57.759
<v Speaker 1>clear for people, it is a little preview of our

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 1>renovation work. Section Mackenzie Ebert's seventh and eighth holes, which

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:08.240
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned earlier, Matt, were added for the twenty nineteen

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Open Championship, and as part of that they eliminated the

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>seventeenth and eighteenth holes, which in Harry Colt's original routing

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 1>were actually the second and seventeenth holes. But that's starting

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>to get confusing. They basically eliminated the seventeen and eighteenth holes,

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>which were on subtler land near the clubhouse, and pushed

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the whole course more into the dune land. And now

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 1>they're using that land by the clubhouse formerly occupied by

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the seventeenth and eighteenth holes for spectator infrastructure, championship infrastructure

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 1>staging area. I guess that's probably where you enter the

0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:46.280
<v Speaker 1>venue for the Open Championship, and you know it serves

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:48.720
<v Speaker 1>its purpose for championship golf.

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they actually built they actually built a kid's

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:55.719
<v Speaker 2>course kind of where the seventeenth and eighteenth hole used

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 2>to be on the old dune list link. So it's

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 2>just a very simple kind of pitch and put style

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:06.400
<v Speaker 2>course there for children. I saw this on the Google

0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Earth aerials.

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Is it cool? I mean, the land is obviously it

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:12.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't give you much there, but is it kind of

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 1>a cool thing to have that. Yeah.

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I think it's great for kids obviously. I know when

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 2>we talked with Gary McNeil, who's been the head professional

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 2>there since I think nineteen ninety nine, like almost thirty

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 2>years now, he said it was a great asset for

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, warming kids up when they're little to try

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 2>and like build up the kind of the gamesman to

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:37.920
<v Speaker 2>get onto the championship links there. It's mostly just kind

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 2>of flat land, open holes, no bunkers, So it's just

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:44.239
<v Speaker 2>great for you know, children who can hit it on

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:46.319
<v Speaker 2>the ground and roll it around and kind of pick

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:46.839
<v Speaker 2>up the game.

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Right. All right, we've talked about land and routing. Let's

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:57.359
<v Speaker 1>just mention quickly what we think the general design philosophy

0:42:57.560 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 1>of this course is now cult is generally regarded as

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:08.399
<v Speaker 1>golf architecture history's great naturalist. Natural features is what he emphasized,

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 1>and looking built features is also a big point of

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:15.399
<v Speaker 1>emphasis with most of his work, and he's also known

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 1>as a proponent of the strategic school of golf architecture

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to the penal. Do you think those things

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 1>come through in Royal Port Rush's design.

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's definitely, very very evident. The natural aspect of

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 2>the design, that's definitely something that sticks out right away

0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:38.719
<v Speaker 2>is just the amazing natural green sites that he selected,

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and inherently that then creates strategy on a lot of

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:47.800
<v Speaker 2>the golf holes based on angles or direction, green orientations

0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:52.240
<v Speaker 2>or fronting dunes and mounds, kind of like the fourth hole.

0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:57.280
<v Speaker 2>So I think inherently, Yeah, creating these awesome natural green sites,

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 2>finding them, placing greens there then kind of helps to

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 2>drive strategy back to the tee alongside, you know, the

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 2>creation of the bunkers. So it's definitely very evident that

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 2>those two things are present. And then there is there

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:14.400
<v Speaker 2>is like some I guess I don't know if you

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:18.280
<v Speaker 2>could consider it one hundred percent penal design, but there

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of you know, false fronts and runoffs,

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 2>crown greens, bold greens. So there's this good dynamic where

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 2>there's shots that you hit in that will be more

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:32.439
<v Speaker 2>receptive and kind of funnel towards the center of the green,

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:34.239
<v Speaker 2>and then other ones where you need to be really

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 2>really precise or you're going to kind of get repealed

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 2>away to a difficult spot to make it up and down.

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Variety, I mean, variety is one of the biggest

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>strengths of Harry Colt's architecture. He always provides variety across

0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 1>all dimensions, you know, variety of maybe penal and strategic,

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 1>but certainly variety of difficulty, some friendly holes, some some

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 1>more challenging holes, and and variety of landforms. The way

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:06.239
<v Speaker 1>that the holes use the Land. He was obviously a

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:11.799
<v Speaker 1>master of that. This is Harry Colt at a very

0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 1>late period of his career. Golf architecture was very advanced

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 1>by the late nineteen twenties. You compare this to a

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Harry Colt course from the first decade of the twentieth century,

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:27.440
<v Speaker 1>like Stoke Pogues or a Swinley Forest or something like that.

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I think by the time you get to Royal Port Rush,

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.759
<v Speaker 1>it's not that he's a better designer, it's just that

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 1>he's maybe more advanced in his methods. And maybe one

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:41.800
<v Speaker 1>example of that is the greens at Royal Port Rush,

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 1>which has been a big focus of your work on

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the course. Matt. You wrote a great course profile for

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Friday Golf Club on Royal Port Rush that people should

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>check out if they're members of Fridagg Golf Club. What

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:59.880
<v Speaker 1>to you makes Royal Port Rush's greens different from the

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:03.239
<v Speaker 1>rains that you saw at other Links courses when you

0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 1>took this trip to Northern Ireland and to Port Martock

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:07.839
<v Speaker 1>as well.

0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I like that you brought up kind of how

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.600
<v Speaker 2>this was late in his career, because I believe he

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 2>has like nearly three hundred golf courses to his name,

0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:20.839
<v Speaker 2>so he had so much experience in green building and

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 2>finding great natural green sites and then you know, kind

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:27.040
<v Speaker 2>of massaging the land to make it fit, maybe a

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 2>design strategy he was looking for or some sort of

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 2>look that he wanted for each golf hole to make

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:36.359
<v Speaker 2>them different. And I think that's so evident at Port

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Rush is just how amazing the natural green sites that

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:43.840
<v Speaker 2>he selected, which in turn gives you this awesome, awesome

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:48.279
<v Speaker 2>variety because the natural landscape is so is just it's

0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 2>so random and unique and chaotic, so there's always kind

0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:54.880
<v Speaker 2>of a new twist or new turn with each green site,

0:46:55.400 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 2>and you have these awesome contours that feed into the

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.759
<v Speaker 2>centers of the greens. So I feel like on a

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of other Lynx courses, a place like maybe Royal

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 2>County Down which we saw just a few days before

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 2>we're at Port Rush, is it's they almost just occupy

0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:16.160
<v Speaker 2>these flatter sections amongst the dunes. Because the dunes are

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:20.800
<v Speaker 2>so massive and towering, there's only a few specific areas

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 2>where you could actually build a green that would be

0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:27.400
<v Speaker 2>usable and functionable. So I think that's probably the biggest

0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:31.359
<v Speaker 2>difference you see from LINKS courses is the dunescape at

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 2>Royal Port. Rush is kind of this middle ground where

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.400
<v Speaker 2>you can find these little pockets and little ledges on

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 2>dunes or bowls in low points where you can build

0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 2>great natural greens and then use the surrounding contours and

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 2>rumples and stuff to kind of feed into the middle

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:53.240
<v Speaker 2>of the surface. So it's not just these large flat

0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 2>planes on flat sections. It's more so two tiered or

0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 2>even three tiered, or these long broad ridges crossing through greens,

0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 2>or drainage swales coming from the dreams to get water

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:10.160
<v Speaker 2>off the surface. So it's just this this awesome kind

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 2>of different style where he's just adapted them to the

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 2>natural landscape so well, and it's it's it's honestly, probably

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:21.399
<v Speaker 2>because of his experience at the time, like he had

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:24.800
<v Speaker 2>built so many greens, he was probably comfortable with trying

0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:27.440
<v Speaker 2>to do new things, be a little bit more creative

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.920
<v Speaker 2>and try and do something different here because that's what

0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:32.800
<v Speaker 2>the land was giving him.

0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Would it be fair to say that the greens are

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 1>are kind of more shaped than most greens that you've

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:41.760
<v Speaker 1>seen at links courses that there's it's it's good shaping

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>and blended shaping, but but there's some some manufacturing that

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:49.560
<v Speaker 1>went into these greens, right for sure?

0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely there's more shaping per se, Like not the

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:56.320
<v Speaker 2>bad kind of shaping, but the type where it feels

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.600
<v Speaker 2>like they just took a blanket and draped it over

0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the land escape and it kind of created these soft,

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 2>rolling contours that flow in and out from the green

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:10.439
<v Speaker 2>surface and create this just amazing aesthetic. The Sixth Hole

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.080
<v Speaker 2>always comes to mind when I think, like when you

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 2>just say, like, what are the like if you wanted

0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:17.920
<v Speaker 2>me to talk about the greens and how they're natural,

0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:21.279
<v Speaker 2>the Sixth Hole just like always comes into my mind.

0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:24.359
<v Speaker 2>I have this perfect depiction in my head of the whole.

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I can like see it as if I was still

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:29.360
<v Speaker 2>standing on the tee because it just like sits amongst

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:33.480
<v Speaker 2>these dunes so naturally and so seamlessly. It's it's almost

0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 2>like it was just meant to be there.

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:38.879
<v Speaker 1>Do any other greens come to minds as standing out

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:41.279
<v Speaker 1>or ones that people should should pay attention to when

0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 1>they come up on the telecast?

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 2>I really like the fourth Green in the in the

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:49.200
<v Speaker 2>sense of just where it's situated. It might not have

0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:55.279
<v Speaker 2>the most I guess, intricate or interesting internal contours, but

0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:58.719
<v Speaker 2>just the way that it sits in between these like

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 2>four or five different like kind of sand mounds, and

0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the orientation of it is really interesting. And then especially

0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:08.320
<v Speaker 2>so when you bring in the out of bounds boundary,

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:11.560
<v Speaker 2>there's a straight line out of bounds fence all down

0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 2>the right side, and the green angles towards that, so

0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 2>you have to be down the right side to kind

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.400
<v Speaker 2>of see into the green and see the flagstick depending

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:23.239
<v Speaker 2>on that day's that day's pin position. So that's one

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 2>that comes to mind. Another one too that comes to mind,

0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.840
<v Speaker 2>would be the fifteenth. It's a really small green. It

0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:33.839
<v Speaker 2>feels a lot smaller than the other ones. Maybe it isn't,

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.640
<v Speaker 2>and maybe that was just my perception of it, but

0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 2>the target looks really small because, like I was saying earlier,

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the drive semi blind. You're playing up a hill and

0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:46.120
<v Speaker 2>you get up to the kind of the crest of

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:48.920
<v Speaker 2>the hill is where or maybe even the downslope where

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.640
<v Speaker 2>you're hitting your approach shot from, and you're kind of

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:53.480
<v Speaker 2>looking down to the green and there's a couple of

0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:56.239
<v Speaker 2>bunkers down the left side of the hole that kind

0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:59.279
<v Speaker 2>of frame the green and a fall off to the

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 2>right of the green. So it feels like a shot

0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:04.040
<v Speaker 2>that you have to be really precise at. And there's

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:06.960
<v Speaker 2>a big ridge that kind of cuts through the center

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.719
<v Speaker 2>of it, dividing the green in half. So are those

0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:12.400
<v Speaker 2>are three that I think stand out, at least in

0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 2>my mind pretty significantly cool.

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think this is the aspect of Royal Port

0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Rush that makes it feel like more of a modern

0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:25.440
<v Speaker 1>golf course or modern in the sense of late Golden

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Age more advanced golf architecture with earth moving techniques involved.

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:37.920
<v Speaker 1>It's the greens that make Royal part Rush feel like it's,

0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:42.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, of a piece with maybe more the Heathland

0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:46.120
<v Speaker 1>courses or some of Alistair McKenzie courses in the US

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:49.759
<v Speaker 1>and Australia. Royal Port Rush kind of feels like it

0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:54.800
<v Speaker 1>belongs to that category almost as much as it belongs

0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to the open Road, a category of Saint Andrew's and

0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Royal Saint John and Royal Liverpool and Carnoustie. You know, yes,

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:08.560
<v Speaker 1>it does have significant similarities with some of those courses,

0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 1>but it also has one foot in this kind of

0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:17.120
<v Speaker 1>high Golden Age advanced architecture period and I think that's

0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:19.359
<v Speaker 1>part of what makes it special and it really comes

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:25.239
<v Speaker 1>through in these sophisticated green designs. All right, let's talk

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 1>about hazards at Royal Port Rush. What do you think

0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:33.840
<v Speaker 1>are the primary things that drive challenge and strategy on

0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the holes at Port Rush?

0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.359
<v Speaker 2>It's certainly the wind. I think there's if you look

0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:42.000
<v Speaker 2>at the course at a hole there, there's not an

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:45.400
<v Speaker 2>overwhelming amount of bunkers. There's a lot that are really

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 2>strategically placed, and you'll find yourselves in them because they're

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:52.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of placed in areas where balls want to collect.

0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.360
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's the wind and the landscape that

0:52:55.440 --> 0:53:00.160
<v Speaker 2>are kind of the course's greatest defense. It's always windy there.

0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:03.280
<v Speaker 2>We played on a very windy day. I would assume

0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:05.919
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be very windy for the Open Championship.

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:09.279
<v Speaker 2>It's so exposed there, so I think that's kind of

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:14.960
<v Speaker 2>the greatest potential hazard that players are gonna face. And

0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 2>then the green designs as well. There's a lot of

0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:22.239
<v Speaker 2>false fronts where balls are going to roll off, so

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:25.160
<v Speaker 2>in tandem with the wind, you have to be really

0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 2>precise with your iron shots to get the ball close.

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 2>If you're just slightly off, the wind's gonna blow it

0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:33.919
<v Speaker 2>offline and then you're gonna find kind of an edge

0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:37.240
<v Speaker 2>of the green that repeals you away from the putting surface.

0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:41.280
<v Speaker 2>So I think it's it's a combination of the design

0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:44.760
<v Speaker 2>which is really really dynamic, and it kind of is

0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:48.319
<v Speaker 2>is flipping and flopping between the type of tests. It's

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:52.319
<v Speaker 2>asking you from these really demanding precise shots where you're

0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:55.200
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to you know, mid to long irons and

0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:58.680
<v Speaker 2>be really really accurate with where you're landing the ball,

0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:01.359
<v Speaker 2>and then the combination of the wind. So it's kind

0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:03.719
<v Speaker 2>of I think it's a very dynamic test. It's not

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:08.040
<v Speaker 2>there's not one certain aspect that's going to overwhelm players.

0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it's the combination of the course, is greens,

0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 2>the landscape which you're playing over, the uneven lies, the

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:18.280
<v Speaker 2>tricky stances, and then the wind.

0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Obviously is it because of the wind, do you think

0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 1>and the difficulties of combining the wind with the land

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 1>that the bunkering it or all part rush is is

0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe relatively minimal. I mean, there are plenty of bunkers,

0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:38.280
<v Speaker 1>but it's not the place isn't absolutely strewn with them, right.

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.720
<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, there's so little, Like I think the sixth

0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:45.279
<v Speaker 2>hole has no bunkers, the eleventh hole might have one.

0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:48.720
<v Speaker 2>The tenth hole has no bunkers, and then even holes

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:51.120
<v Speaker 2>like the fifth, like there's just two bunkers out there

0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:54.279
<v Speaker 2>that kind of frame the edges of the fairway and

0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:57.759
<v Speaker 2>are only really going to punish you if you're trying

0:54:57.760 --> 0:55:00.239
<v Speaker 2>to push a driver up by the green. So it's

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:03.439
<v Speaker 2>almost as if it's kind of allowing you to play

0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:06.520
<v Speaker 2>a more conservative game, play the wind, keep the ball

0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:08.880
<v Speaker 2>on the ground. But if you want to be aggressive

0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:12.160
<v Speaker 2>and try and try to I guess, bully the course,

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.120
<v Speaker 2>then that's where you can find yourself in these bunkers

0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:19.880
<v Speaker 2>that are a real penalty. Another interesting thing that I've

0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:23.480
<v Speaker 2>been considering and thinking about ahead of the Open is

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:26.840
<v Speaker 2>the seventeenth hole, which plays kind of up over this

0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:29.759
<v Speaker 2>ridge line and then it's a huge drop and the

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.800
<v Speaker 2>fair way tumbles down towards the green, and I believe

0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:35.160
<v Speaker 2>it's like a four hundred yard hole. But I'm almost

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:37.600
<v Speaker 2>convinced that some players are going to be able to

0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:39.720
<v Speaker 2>drive the green because if you get the ball over

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.520
<v Speaker 2>that ridge, it's just going to run down the hill

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.600
<v Speaker 2>forever and ever. But there's these bunkers that are way

0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:48.640
<v Speaker 2>down there that may seem like they're not in a

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:51.239
<v Speaker 2>place to challenge you. But if you're going to try

0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:54.080
<v Speaker 2>and drive the green and you know, man handle the hole,

0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:56.799
<v Speaker 2>then they're going to cause you issues. So I feel

0:55:56.840 --> 0:56:00.520
<v Speaker 2>like potentially maybe that's where these bunkers come into play,

0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:04.000
<v Speaker 2>is more hazards and then obviously on on the par

0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:07.759
<v Speaker 2>fives in your layup zones, and trying to make you

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:12.280
<v Speaker 2>make a decision on your second shot on the par fives. Gotcha?

0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, let's take a quick detour into aesthetics real quick.

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:18.960
<v Speaker 1>That the shaping of the course, we talked about it

0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:22.359
<v Speaker 1>with the greens, and and how nicely tied in the

0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:24.880
<v Speaker 1>edges of the greens are with their surroundings, how they

0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:28.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of seem to emulate the Lynx Land in certain ways,

0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:31.800
<v Speaker 1>but do so in ways that go beyond just natural.

0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:34.480
<v Speaker 1>What do you make of the shaping of the bunkers

0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:37.520
<v Speaker 1>out there? Do you think it's evolved over time? And

0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know what's the what's the kind of

0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:42.360
<v Speaker 1>esthetic character of the bunkers?

0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so a lot of them are are kind of

0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:49.200
<v Speaker 2>like that stack sad, that traditional kind of pot bunker.

0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Not I wouldn't compare them much to like Saint Andrews

0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:56.400
<v Speaker 2>where therese these feel like these deep pits. They have

0:56:56.560 --> 0:57:00.080
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stacked face, But then a lot of

0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:03.080
<v Speaker 2>them are kind of flashed up a little bit because

0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:06.560
<v Speaker 2>of I think just wind erosion and sand blowing out.

0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of I guess it's more of an

0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:13.200
<v Speaker 2>eclectic look, just based on the environment and how it

0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:16.080
<v Speaker 2>evolves over time. But a lot of them do have

0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:19.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of that that revetted stacked face.

0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and probably done maybe after Colt's time. I haven't

0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:26.560
<v Speaker 1>seen many early pictures of the course, but there were

0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:30.120
<v Speaker 1>more blowouts back in the day, whether whether natural or

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:33.720
<v Speaker 1>man made. And and Coult is of course known for

0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:38.880
<v Speaker 1>pioneering the ragged edged bunker. The naturalized bunker was a

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that's a leading characteristic of his courses in the English

0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:46.440
<v Speaker 1>heathlands and many other places. But of course, over time

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:51.880
<v Speaker 1>on on real links courses, those ragged edged bunkers, as

0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:55.120
<v Speaker 1>good looking as they might be, proved to be a

0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:59.040
<v Speaker 1>little bit hard to maintain given the wind and weather

0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:02.280
<v Speaker 1>that the properties get, and so they tend to be

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:07.480
<v Speaker 1>formalized into these stacksod designs that that are a little

0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:10.680
<v Speaker 1>sturdier only need to be replaced every few years, as

0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:15.280
<v Speaker 1>opposed to constantly evolving and constantly giving the maintenance team headaches.

0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:18.080
<v Speaker 1>So you see some of that at at Royal Port Rush,

0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:19.680
<v Speaker 1>but as you say, it's not to the point where

0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like like Royal Liverpool where they're just these sort

0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:26.040
<v Speaker 1>of circles that go you know, like Wells or something

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:28.840
<v Speaker 1>that goes straight straight down. They're at least a little

0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:30.880
<v Speaker 1>more nuanced than that.

0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:34.880
<v Speaker 2>So I will know too that we when we were there,

0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:37.880
<v Speaker 2>it was still technically under winter conditions. We were there

0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:41.480
<v Speaker 2>and early to mid March, so it's it's definitely we

0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:43.800
<v Speaker 2>are seeing the course in a very different light than

0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:46.240
<v Speaker 2>what you're going to see on TV in the middle

0:58:46.240 --> 0:58:48.440
<v Speaker 2>of July kind of the in the heart of the

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:51.720
<v Speaker 2>golf season for them. So things that I, you know,

0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:54.400
<v Speaker 2>saw might be slightly different. You know that things might

0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:57.240
<v Speaker 2>be a little bit more refined and and buttoned up

0:58:57.320 --> 0:58:58.960
<v Speaker 2>for the Open Championship.

0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Well in the rough might be a little bit less thick,

0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:05.520
<v Speaker 1>perhaps because it's gonna be a little dryer out there.

0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:09.000
<v Speaker 1>That is one of the critiques of Royal Port Rush

0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:12.280
<v Speaker 1>that I've seen that the rough maybe plays a little

0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:16.480
<v Speaker 1>bit too much of a role, that it's so penal

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 1>that it kind of takes away from some of the

0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:22.920
<v Speaker 1>strategic complexity of the course. Did you find that to

0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:26.760
<v Speaker 1>be the case? Is the rough super thick and punitive.

0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 2>It was definitely a challenge when you got into it.

0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:33.880
<v Speaker 2>I think more so is the land that the rough

0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:37.200
<v Speaker 2>is like on top of. Is like, once you get

0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:40.720
<v Speaker 2>outside of the whole corridors, you get this really really

0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:45.640
<v Speaker 2>tumultuous turning landscape, these dunes that are very hilly and rumpled,

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:49.080
<v Speaker 2>So you're gonna find yourself with some really awkward stances

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:52.960
<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna be just having difficult getting the ball

0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:55.360
<v Speaker 2>out of there because the ball might be way below

0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:58.120
<v Speaker 2>your feet or way above your feet, or you having

0:59:58.200 --> 1:00:01.160
<v Speaker 2>these really really awkward stances is because the land is

1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:05.320
<v Speaker 2>just so like undulating outside of the whole corridors, it's

1:00:05.520 --> 1:00:08.400
<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit more smoothed out in the fairway areas,

1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:11.400
<v Speaker 2>and then it almost transitions right into kind of the

1:00:11.480 --> 1:00:15.080
<v Speaker 2>native and the native grasses. So I think it's definitely

1:00:15.120 --> 1:00:16.800
<v Speaker 2>going to be a challenge. I don't know if they're

1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:19.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, growing it out or trying to juice it

1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:22.680
<v Speaker 2>up to make it a serious challenge, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that I noticed most was just like having

1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:28.600
<v Speaker 2>really funky lie while you're in there and then just

1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:30.800
<v Speaker 2>trying to hack it out and get it back into play.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's also where like the bunkers can also come

1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:36.480
<v Speaker 2>into play and punish you even further is trying to

1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:38.880
<v Speaker 2>get too much out of a shot from the rough

1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:41.480
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, find yourself in even more trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we've talked about greens, we've talked about hazards.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's touch on the turf out there agronomy at Royal

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<v Speaker 1>Port Rush. What are the basics that we should know

1:00:53.640 --> 1:00:57.479
<v Speaker 1>about the turf presentation at Royal Port Rush.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, just like all other lyings courses, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like it was meant to be. Using the fine

1:01:03.440 --> 1:01:08.439
<v Speaker 2>fescue grasses across all of the surfaces is just it's

1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:10.880
<v Speaker 2>just the best. It's this is the most superior playing

1:01:10.960 --> 1:01:14.080
<v Speaker 2>surface for the game of golf. It's firm, it's fast,

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<v Speaker 2>something that I don't think people maybe who aren't so

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<v Speaker 2>wired into agronomy and and know the specifics of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But but fescue grasses are a much thinner leaf blade,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a very very thin type of grass compared

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<v Speaker 2>to let's say bent grass or Kentucky blue grass, which

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<v Speaker 2>are kind of the predominant cool seising grasses that you'll

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<v Speaker 2>see in the States. So this fine fescue is is

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<v Speaker 2>a really thin leaf blade, so it creates much less

1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:48.320
<v Speaker 2>friction between the golf ball and this and the plane surface.

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<v Speaker 2>So just that simple nature of it, the sand that

1:01:51.520 --> 1:01:53.880
<v Speaker 2>it sits on, which is is great for the grass,

1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:56.440
<v Speaker 2>a great growing medium for the grass, and then the

1:01:56.440 --> 1:02:00.240
<v Speaker 2>wind creates this this awesome dynamic we're playing in. The

1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:03.080
<v Speaker 2>ball along the ground is likely going to be your friend,

1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and it's going to roll forever and ever and ever.

1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:09.240
<v Speaker 2>It's just gonna just roll and roll and roll, and

1:02:09.320 --> 1:02:11.520
<v Speaker 2>it creates all these different types of shots that you

1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:14.240
<v Speaker 2>can hit around the greens. I was using. I use

1:02:14.280 --> 1:02:17.560
<v Speaker 2>a four iron to play these short, little bump shots,

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<v Speaker 2>which is something I love doing instead of trying to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, reach for the sixty and fly it up

1:02:22.920 --> 1:02:24.920
<v Speaker 2>in the air. And that's just something that that the

1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:26.240
<v Speaker 2>terf allows you to do. Here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hopefully we'll get a truly firm and fast open championship.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been a few opens recently where things have been

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit soggy, but still, you know, bouncy enough,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think ural Port Rush would would really come

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<v Speaker 1>alive if it's if it's very firm and fast and

1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:47.400
<v Speaker 1>baked out there, that that would be that would be

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<v Speaker 1>fun to watch. Definitely the twenty nineteen Open, we didn't

1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:54.120
<v Speaker 1>quite get that it was. It was rainy during during

1:02:54.160 --> 1:02:58.520
<v Speaker 1>most portions of that championship. So we'll see, we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. Let's get finally to the renovation work here

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<v Speaker 1>talk about some specifics of how the course has evolved recently.

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<v Speaker 1>So in preparation for the twenty nineteen Open, Mackenzie and Ebert,

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<v Speaker 1>the firm that works at basically all of the Open

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<v Speaker 1>Road of courses and has very close ties with the RNA,

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<v Speaker 1>Mackenzie Ebert made major changes to the routing of the course.

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<v Speaker 1>They eliminated the seventeenth and eighteenth holes. As we described earlier,

1:03:28.360 --> 1:03:31.439
<v Speaker 1>these these played parallel and in opposite directions right near

1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:35.040
<v Speaker 1>the clubhouse. They were Colt's original second and seventeenth holes.

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<v Speaker 1>They got rid of those holes, replaced it with the

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<v Speaker 1>short course that you were describing, and during opens this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of, you know, what they consider to be

1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:51.000
<v Speaker 1>essential space for hosting the championship. It's right there at

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<v Speaker 1>the entrance of the course, and they're going to make

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<v Speaker 1>use of it. Mackenzie Ebert then designed those two new

1:03:57.200 --> 1:04:00.320
<v Speaker 1>holes that are fairly close to the coast, the seventh

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<v Speaker 1>and eighth, and that's those that land used to be

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Valley course. The old fifth and sixth

1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:12.120
<v Speaker 1>at the Valley Course were eliminated. Those were well regarded

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<v Speaker 1>holes and that and that's one one critique of this

1:04:15.160 --> 1:04:19.360
<v Speaker 1>project that has been aired is that they they borrowed

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<v Speaker 1>from the Valley Course and maybe maybe lessened the quality

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<v Speaker 1>of the Valley course for the sake of making this

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<v Speaker 1>change to the dunloose links. In addition to that really

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<v Speaker 1>huge change, Mackenzie and Ebert moved the second green aways

1:04:36.840 --> 1:04:42.720
<v Speaker 1>down range to lengthen that hole, and they did some

1:04:43.000 --> 1:04:46.680
<v Speaker 1>reshaping here and there, made little tweaks throughout the golf

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<v Speaker 1>course with an eye toward preparing the course for elite play.

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<v Speaker 1>There wasn't necessarily an intention to restore the course or

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<v Speaker 1>or a real devotion to Colt's original plans. Mackenzie and

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<v Speaker 1>eb oh It's usual line is, we have great respect

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<v Speaker 1>for Harry Colt, but I don't necessarily see them putting

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<v Speaker 1>any great effort at many other courses to restoring Harry

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<v Speaker 1>Colt's intentions or ideas at his courses. They may have

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<v Speaker 1>great respect for him, but the primary intention of the work,

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<v Speaker 1>the brief that they get from the RNA and from

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<v Speaker 1>these clubs, is to make the course ready for the

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<v Speaker 1>Open Championship, and that's what they did. That was the

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<v Speaker 1>priority of the work. The argument for the new seventh

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<v Speaker 1>and eighth holes is that the holes that were eliminated

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<v Speaker 1>the seventeenth and eighteenth weren't especially well loved. They went

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<v Speaker 1>over the most boring land on the property and they

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<v Speaker 1>were considered to be kind of a disappointing and to

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<v Speaker 1>the course for many years. I think those holes probably

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<v Speaker 1>made more sense originally when they were the second and

1:05:52.320 --> 1:05:55.760
<v Speaker 1>seventeenth holes, but once the big triangle was taken out

1:05:55.760 --> 1:05:58.520
<v Speaker 1>of the equation, they became the seventeenth and eighteenth kind

1:05:58.520 --> 1:06:01.200
<v Speaker 1>of playing back and forth, and maybe it's it was

1:06:01.280 --> 1:06:05.200
<v Speaker 1>just sort of a disappointing or deflating and to the round,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there wasn't any great outcry about the elimination

1:06:09.800 --> 1:06:12.560
<v Speaker 1>of those holes. That was part of the defense of

1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Mackenzie and Ebert's work. So those seventh and eighth holes,

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<v Speaker 1>which you briefly describe as we're going through the routing,

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of them architecturally? How would you

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<v Speaker 1>evaluate their their quality or character design wise?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the seventh is a par five kind of

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<v Speaker 2>playing through this really really dramatic area in the dunes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the eighth comes back right back towards the

1:06:40.200 --> 1:06:43.920
<v Speaker 2>sixth green. So it's just this basically two hole loop

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of takes you out to this very dramatic

1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:49.280
<v Speaker 2>land and then back towards kind of the core of

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<v Speaker 2>the middle or I guess the beginning of the back

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<v Speaker 2>nine and where you kind of loop around in the routing.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's under kind of my impression of the way

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<v Speaker 2>that I see it that the the seventh hole they

1:07:01.040 --> 1:07:04.800
<v Speaker 2>built is like almost trying to replicate or draw inspiration

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<v Speaker 2>from the old seventeenth hole. They rebuilt this very very

1:07:09.480 --> 1:07:13.640
<v Speaker 2>large blowout styled bunker on the right side of kind

1:07:13.680 --> 1:07:17.160
<v Speaker 2>of the landing zone for drives. I believe it was

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<v Speaker 2>called the Big Nelly Bunker was its nickname, and it

1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:23.680
<v Speaker 2>was this very ominous kind of hazard that would do

1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:27.520
<v Speaker 2>would capture balls all the time. So I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>see that that was maybe their inspiration for that hole

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to almost recreate the seventeenth because it had

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<v Speaker 2>become this sort of infamous sand bunker, and and it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of had this reputation. And the hole is really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a it's a great golf hole in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense that it travels over really awesome dramatic land

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<v Speaker 2>in order to get it to the length that they

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<v Speaker 2>need for the pros. It unfortunately has a big backtrack

1:07:56.520 --> 1:08:00.520
<v Speaker 2>towards the tee from the sixth green, so you're almost

1:08:00.600 --> 1:08:03.080
<v Speaker 2>walking like to play the very back tee. You're almost

1:08:03.160 --> 1:08:05.560
<v Speaker 2>walking all the way back to the six tea. It's

1:08:05.600 --> 1:08:09.080
<v Speaker 2>more than halfway past kind of the hole. You already

1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:12.600
<v Speaker 2>traversed back to that tee. So that's kind of a

1:08:12.600 --> 1:08:15.360
<v Speaker 2>little bit of a disappointing aspect of it as it

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<v Speaker 2>breaks up kind of this awesome flow that you get

1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:22.360
<v Speaker 2>on the first six holes where you're just basically stepping

1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:26.000
<v Speaker 2>over you know, a dune, a small little dune ridge

1:08:26.360 --> 1:08:29.280
<v Speaker 2>and just like getting onto the next tee box very quickly.

1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:32.799
<v Speaker 1>So this is always progressing, right, yeah, and then suddenly

1:08:32.840 --> 1:08:35.120
<v Speaker 1>you just have to walk backwards, which is you know,

1:08:35.240 --> 1:08:39.560
<v Speaker 1>something that sometimes happens when Mackenzie Ebert reroute courses. It

1:08:39.640 --> 1:08:42.920
<v Speaker 1>certainly happened at Royal Liverpool with the awful walk that

1:08:42.960 --> 1:08:45.719
<v Speaker 1>people have to make back from the little I par three,

1:08:46.320 --> 1:08:49.679
<v Speaker 1>but they installed there and so this is see seems

1:08:49.720 --> 1:08:51.599
<v Speaker 1>to be a trend that the that the walks are

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<v Speaker 1>not always working out well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's obviously it might be a little disappointing

1:08:56.720 --> 1:08:59.360
<v Speaker 2>for the flow of the routing. But I never got

1:08:59.439 --> 1:09:03.000
<v Speaker 2>to see the old seventeenth and eighteenth holes, and perhaps

1:09:03.080 --> 1:09:05.960
<v Speaker 2>this is the best solution to get rid of those

1:09:05.960 --> 1:09:09.000
<v Speaker 2>two other holes and create a new one. As you

1:09:09.080 --> 1:09:11.519
<v Speaker 2>had to do this, which you're saying a good golf

1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:14.600
<v Speaker 2>hole too. The seventh is solid. Yeah, it's certainly a

1:09:14.640 --> 1:09:18.200
<v Speaker 2>good golf hole. I think. Another aspect of the hole

1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:21.360
<v Speaker 2>that maybe falls a little flat is the green design

1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:24.320
<v Speaker 2>and kind of the shaping around the green. It sits

1:09:24.400 --> 1:09:27.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of up a little bit. You're playing down through

1:09:27.640 --> 1:09:30.960
<v Speaker 2>this low point and then it's a slightly elevated approach shot,

1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:34.519
<v Speaker 2>and there's these hollows kind of shaped around the green

1:09:34.560 --> 1:09:38.439
<v Speaker 2>that are almost rhythmic in fashion, where there's these just

1:09:38.520 --> 1:09:42.479
<v Speaker 2>kind of pretty evident scoops where waters draining off the

1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:45.800
<v Speaker 2>green into kind of these low lying areas surrounding the green.

1:09:46.720 --> 1:09:49.639
<v Speaker 2>And I also heard that this green's been rebuilt several

1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:54.679
<v Speaker 2>times since the first iteration in the twenty seventeen twenty

1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:58.080
<v Speaker 2>eighteen period when they first rebuilt the golf hole.

1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Look at a green like that and compare it to

1:10:02.200 --> 1:10:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the more original, perhaps or more faithfully cult greens at

1:10:09.240 --> 1:10:12.559
<v Speaker 1>the course. What is the thing just for the people

1:10:12.560 --> 1:10:15.520
<v Speaker 1>out there who maybe want to see these things themselves

1:10:15.520 --> 1:10:17.680
<v Speaker 1>when they're playing, or be able to make these distinctions.

1:10:18.160 --> 1:10:20.720
<v Speaker 1>What do you zero in on as the kind of

1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:25.320
<v Speaker 1>weaknesses of the shaping of that green compared to the

1:10:25.400 --> 1:10:27.679
<v Speaker 1>other greens on the course.

1:10:28.920 --> 1:10:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I think the biggest thing is maybe just the execution

1:10:31.680 --> 1:10:34.760
<v Speaker 2>of the shaping. Where when you pick a natural green

1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:37.840
<v Speaker 2>site that's really good and great for you setting a

1:10:37.880 --> 1:10:40.920
<v Speaker 2>green into there's going to be all these little natural

1:10:40.960 --> 1:10:43.800
<v Speaker 2>subtleties to the landscape. And yeah, there's going to be

1:10:43.840 --> 1:10:46.040
<v Speaker 2>hollows like there are that they built. There's going to

1:10:46.120 --> 1:10:49.040
<v Speaker 2>be hollows that kind of drain water off the green,

1:10:49.360 --> 1:10:51.360
<v Speaker 2>but they're going to be different from one another. Some

1:10:51.439 --> 1:10:55.679
<v Speaker 2>are shallow, some are really deep and penalizing. They're different

1:10:55.880 --> 1:10:58.920
<v Speaker 2>sizes and widths and all of that. So they're just

1:10:59.040 --> 1:11:01.880
<v Speaker 2>very varied, and you have a great natural green site,

1:11:02.240 --> 1:11:05.280
<v Speaker 2>but on the seventh they feel a little bit more contrived.

1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:09.080
<v Speaker 2>They're kind of rhythmic in the depth of how below

1:11:09.160 --> 1:11:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the green they are the width of this round, you know,

1:11:13.040 --> 1:11:17.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of hollow. So there's just almost this this very

1:11:17.040 --> 1:11:21.400
<v Speaker 2>similar stipe style of shaping for each of these hollows

1:11:21.439 --> 1:11:23.799
<v Speaker 2>surrounding the green, and it goes all the way around

1:11:23.920 --> 1:11:25.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of the left and back side of the green.

1:11:26.439 --> 1:11:28.639
<v Speaker 2>And for someone who you know, kind of is looking

1:11:28.680 --> 1:11:31.599
<v Speaker 2>out for these things, it stands out and sticks out

1:11:31.680 --> 1:11:33.200
<v Speaker 2>amongst all the other greens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there, I like to think of it. You're talking

1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:41.280
<v Speaker 1>about rhythmic kind of like these these repeated shapes. There's

1:11:41.280 --> 1:11:45.120
<v Speaker 1>a kind of a symmetry or repetition to the shapes. Yeah,

1:11:45.160 --> 1:11:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Whereas greens that are really blended in well to the

1:11:48.920 --> 1:11:51.880
<v Speaker 1>natural environment often have an element of chaos about them

1:11:52.000 --> 1:11:55.680
<v Speaker 1>or imbalance. Where shapes are not repeated, because rarely do

1:11:55.800 --> 1:12:01.479
<v Speaker 1>you see wave like scoopy shapes in nature, those those

1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:05.120
<v Speaker 1>stand out as man made tour i whereas you know,

1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:09.439
<v Speaker 1>really thoughtfully shaped greens tend to tend to have a

1:12:09.479 --> 1:12:13.320
<v Speaker 1>bit more mess about them, and the surrounds of the

1:12:13.320 --> 1:12:16.840
<v Speaker 1>seventh green don't quite look messy. I've seen photos of it.

1:12:17.000 --> 1:12:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Totally agree with your assessment. What do you make of

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<v Speaker 1>the eighth hole, the one coming back?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the eighth plays over kind of this virgin

1:12:25.479 --> 1:12:30.559
<v Speaker 2>land that was unused before they changed the routing of

1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:32.800
<v Speaker 2>the dune this links It didn't take any land from

1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:36.639
<v Speaker 2>the valley course like the seventh. But so you're playing

1:12:36.680 --> 1:12:40.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of down on these lower area on the seventh

1:12:40.280 --> 1:12:42.840
<v Speaker 2>through the valley, and then the eighth you kind of

1:12:43.000 --> 1:12:45.840
<v Speaker 2>climb up this little hill and it's coming up to

1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:48.879
<v Speaker 2>kind of the same ridge that you tee off for

1:12:48.880 --> 1:12:51.719
<v Speaker 2>for the sixteenth hole, so it's on this little slightly

1:12:51.800 --> 1:12:55.320
<v Speaker 2>higher point, and then the whole kind of traverses a

1:12:55.400 --> 1:12:58.280
<v Speaker 2>ridge the entire way with kind of a fall off

1:12:58.520 --> 1:13:01.400
<v Speaker 2>down towards kind of that I was talking about on

1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:06.960
<v Speaker 2>the seventh hole to the left. So basically there's not

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<v Speaker 2>I guess in my in my mind, there's not a

1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:14.559
<v Speaker 2>real strong strategy to the golf hole. I guess you

1:13:14.600 --> 1:13:17.439
<v Speaker 2>could try and shorten the hole by playing down the

1:13:17.520 --> 1:13:21.200
<v Speaker 2>left side of it, which you're taking on a little

1:13:21.200 --> 1:13:24.400
<v Speaker 2>bit of risk, but then there's bunkers, you know, plopped

1:13:24.439 --> 1:13:26.960
<v Speaker 2>on the right side of the hole, on the landing

1:13:27.240 --> 1:13:28.240
<v Speaker 2>outside of the dog leg.

1:13:28.280 --> 1:13:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Bunkerd on the outside of the dog leg. Yeah, so

1:13:30.320 --> 1:13:32.679
<v Speaker 1>usually a dead giveaway of not a not a very

1:13:32.680 --> 1:13:34.000
<v Speaker 1>good strategic hole.

1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's almost like there's there's a penalty for missing

1:13:37.360 --> 1:13:40.120
<v Speaker 2>left or right. So it's almost like, yeah, there's there's

1:13:40.120 --> 1:13:42.640
<v Speaker 2>no real reason to try and hit it down the

1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:45.000
<v Speaker 2>left or hit it down the right. You're you still

1:13:45.040 --> 1:13:47.320
<v Speaker 2>just need to hit it in the middle to have

1:13:47.360 --> 1:13:48.360
<v Speaker 2>a good look at the green.

1:13:49.200 --> 1:13:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, So those are the new seventh and

1:13:51.760 --> 1:13:56.080
<v Speaker 1>eighth holes. Some good things, some things that that could

1:13:56.080 --> 1:14:00.599
<v Speaker 1>have been better. Let's get to the overall arc textural

1:14:01.160 --> 1:14:03.719
<v Speaker 1>significance of Royal Port Rush kind of try to sum

1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:06.080
<v Speaker 1>it up. When you look at Royal Port Rush in

1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the in the world of golf courses and golf architecture,

1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:12.640
<v Speaker 1>what do you think the big important thing about it is.

1:14:14.080 --> 1:14:17.200
<v Speaker 2>I think what makes it stand out so much amongst

1:14:17.280 --> 1:14:21.360
<v Speaker 2>links golf courses is how refined the design is. It's

1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:25.040
<v Speaker 2>so thoughtful in each green and the way that it

1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:28.840
<v Speaker 2>traverses the land and the style in general. It's just

1:14:29.560 --> 1:14:33.320
<v Speaker 2>everything seems so well thought out and put together and complete,

1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:36.960
<v Speaker 2>and there's there's hardly a weak hole across all eighteen

1:14:37.000 --> 1:14:40.479
<v Speaker 2>of them. So it's almost this this constant like high

1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:42.720
<v Speaker 2>that you're you're having when you're when you're playing the

1:14:42.760 --> 1:14:45.160
<v Speaker 2>golf course, whereas and I know a lot of other

1:14:45.240 --> 1:14:49.360
<v Speaker 2>links courses maybe you're playing like three or four maybe

1:14:49.600 --> 1:14:52.679
<v Speaker 2>more bland holes to get to a really cool piece

1:14:52.680 --> 1:14:55.960
<v Speaker 2>of ground and then play a really dramatical whereas at

1:14:55.960 --> 1:15:00.639
<v Speaker 2>port Rush you're constantly playing really like truly rate golf

1:15:00.680 --> 1:15:05.640
<v Speaker 2>hole one after another on this just absolutely amazing tapestry.

1:15:06.040 --> 1:15:10.679
<v Speaker 2>The landforms the landscape right on the water. It's more

1:15:10.720 --> 1:15:13.679
<v Speaker 2>so that the culmination, I think of all the little

1:15:13.720 --> 1:15:17.600
<v Speaker 2>aspects that come together and make it truly one of

1:15:17.600 --> 1:15:19.320
<v Speaker 2>the greatest golf courses in the world.

1:15:20.040 --> 1:15:23.519
<v Speaker 1>It's well put it, you know, it's like high Golden

1:15:23.560 --> 1:15:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Age design meets links golf, and that does make it

1:15:28.040 --> 1:15:32.600
<v Speaker 1>stand out, because you could say Mierfield also embodies some

1:15:32.640 --> 1:15:35.200
<v Speaker 1>of these characteristics, but the port Rush land is so

1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:38.960
<v Speaker 1>much more dramatic and the design is bold to meet

1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:44.679
<v Speaker 1>that land. And it's a kind of rarity in golf

1:15:45.920 --> 1:15:50.400
<v Speaker 1>in Great Britain and Ireland because This is a late

1:15:50.520 --> 1:15:53.920
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties golf course with all the benefits of the

1:15:53.960 --> 1:15:59.280
<v Speaker 1>advances in golf architecture since the early twentieth century, that

1:15:59.520 --> 1:16:03.320
<v Speaker 1>was put on a great piece of links land, and

1:16:03.400 --> 1:16:08.360
<v Speaker 1>you just don't find that many places, partly because while

1:16:08.400 --> 1:16:12.600
<v Speaker 1>there was a boom in golf and golf architecture in

1:16:12.640 --> 1:16:16.439
<v Speaker 1>the United States and in North America in the nineteen twenties,

1:16:17.560 --> 1:16:22.000
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't the reality in Great Britain and Ireland and Europe.

1:16:22.600 --> 1:16:27.600
<v Speaker 1>There was a recovery from World War One, but economic

1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:31.040
<v Speaker 1>times were harder and the recovery was harder because the

1:16:31.080 --> 1:16:34.400
<v Speaker 1>war had happened there so many people had died and

1:16:35.040 --> 1:16:38.160
<v Speaker 1>so much damage had been done, whereas you know in

1:16:38.240 --> 1:16:41.400
<v Speaker 1>the in the US, we're across an ocean here and

1:16:41.720 --> 1:16:46.200
<v Speaker 1>and there. There. It was an economic boom in the

1:16:46.280 --> 1:16:50.200
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties that golf benefited from, and that's why you

1:16:50.240 --> 1:16:52.759
<v Speaker 1>see so many of the great courses in Great Britain

1:16:52.760 --> 1:16:56.559
<v Speaker 1>and Ireland really emerged before World War One, and a

1:16:56.560 --> 1:17:01.559
<v Speaker 1>lot of Harry Colt's great architectural achievements happened in the

1:17:01.880 --> 1:17:05.599
<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundreds and nineteen tens. And if you think about

1:17:05.600 --> 1:17:09.400
<v Speaker 1>where golf architecture was in the nineteen hundreds and nineteen tens. Yeah,

1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:14.040
<v Speaker 1>they made advances really quickly, especially in England in golf architecture,

1:17:14.120 --> 1:17:17.320
<v Speaker 1>so quickly things came together and they figured things out.

1:17:17.960 --> 1:17:20.519
<v Speaker 1>But man, in if you compare it to the US

1:17:20.600 --> 1:17:25.360
<v Speaker 1>that Charles Charles Blair McDonald's just building National golf Links

1:17:25.400 --> 1:17:28.679
<v Speaker 1>and Pine Valley was just getting going before World War One.

1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:33.000
<v Speaker 1>By the nineteen twenties things had exploded and the art

1:17:33.040 --> 1:17:37.000
<v Speaker 1>of golf architecture had grown so much, and the benefits

1:17:37.000 --> 1:17:40.160
<v Speaker 1>of that were not as enjoyed in Great Britain and Ireland.

1:17:40.560 --> 1:17:43.000
<v Speaker 1>But at royal Port Rush you do see the benefits

1:17:43.040 --> 1:17:46.479
<v Speaker 1>of that matched with an amazing piece of land. And

1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:49.719
<v Speaker 1>that's from what you've from your discussion of the course,

1:17:49.840 --> 1:17:51.840
<v Speaker 1>that has really been my takeaway. Of course, I haven't

1:17:51.880 --> 1:17:54.360
<v Speaker 1>been there. I'd love to go play Royal Port Rush,

1:17:54.400 --> 1:17:56.280
<v Speaker 1>but from what you've written, Matt, what you've said about

1:17:56.320 --> 1:18:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the course, that has been the impression formed of it,

1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:04.120
<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of what makes it interesting. So let's

1:18:04.120 --> 1:18:05.920
<v Speaker 1>wrap up here with a couple of holes to watch.

1:18:05.960 --> 1:18:08.519
<v Speaker 1>We've mentioned some holes already, maybe we can just remind

1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:12.360
<v Speaker 1>people of those, but as they're watching the Open Championship,

1:18:12.640 --> 1:18:14.640
<v Speaker 1>what would you say people should watch out for for

1:18:14.840 --> 1:18:16.160
<v Speaker 1>a couple of specific holes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the stretch four through six is amazing, maybe my

1:18:21.320 --> 1:18:23.920
<v Speaker 2>favorite stretch of holes on the course. Like I said,

1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:25.720
<v Speaker 2>you have the boundary hole, so you have out of

1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:29.240
<v Speaker 2>bounds all down the right side, which can you know,

1:18:29.479 --> 1:18:33.040
<v Speaker 2>derail someone's round early on, And then the fifth which

1:18:33.280 --> 1:18:35.800
<v Speaker 2>depending on the wind, people will definitely be driving the

1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:39.479
<v Speaker 2>green on certain days. But there's also out of bounds

1:18:39.760 --> 1:18:42.160
<v Speaker 2>right on the back edge of the green, like maybe

1:18:42.160 --> 1:18:44.840
<v Speaker 2>two paces two or three paces off the back edge

1:18:44.840 --> 1:18:49.200
<v Speaker 2>of the green is this very prominent out of bounds

1:18:49.240 --> 1:18:52.840
<v Speaker 2>line and then a cliff right beyond it, So going

1:18:52.840 --> 1:18:54.720
<v Speaker 2>for the green on a down one day could be

1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:59.320
<v Speaker 2>could be really risky business. And once again like that

1:18:59.439 --> 1:19:02.839
<v Speaker 2>early part of the front nine could certainly derail someone's

1:19:02.920 --> 1:19:08.320
<v Speaker 2>round and cause some big fluctuations on the leaderboard coming

1:19:08.360 --> 1:19:11.400
<v Speaker 2>on the weekend. And then the six is just an

1:19:11.400 --> 1:19:14.479
<v Speaker 2>awesome par three and the back right kind of whole

1:19:14.479 --> 1:19:18.160
<v Speaker 2>location in this little nook is a really interesting pin

1:19:18.280 --> 1:19:20.560
<v Speaker 2>location that I'm gonna be curious to see how the

1:19:21.200 --> 1:19:24.479
<v Speaker 2>players attack. And then another section that stands out a

1:19:24.479 --> 1:19:27.040
<v Speaker 2>lot is the middle, the middle of the golf course.

1:19:27.120 --> 1:19:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Holds nine through almost fourteen are just really really demanding

1:19:33.920 --> 1:19:37.080
<v Speaker 2>golf holes. A lot of those greens sit up like

1:19:37.120 --> 1:19:40.559
<v Speaker 2>the fourteenth especially sits way up in the air and

1:19:40.680 --> 1:19:43.640
<v Speaker 2>there's no room for air. It falls off on basically

1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:47.519
<v Speaker 2>all sides, and the recovery is really challenging on that.

1:19:48.080 --> 1:19:52.040
<v Speaker 2>So I'm curious to see how players will kind of

1:19:52.640 --> 1:19:55.280
<v Speaker 2>handle that middle section. You're gonna need to really golf

1:19:55.320 --> 1:19:58.759
<v Speaker 2>your ball in that middle section and keep everything together

1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:02.760
<v Speaker 2>to keep a good round intact. And then obviously sixteen

1:20:03.120 --> 1:20:06.240
<v Speaker 2>is where there's also gonna be a big roller coaster

1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:09.000
<v Speaker 2>of emotions for players. And if they hit a good

1:20:09.000 --> 1:20:11.240
<v Speaker 2>shot or a bad shot, you know, you could just

1:20:11.800 --> 1:20:15.479
<v Speaker 2>hit it up there and and make your par pretty

1:20:15.520 --> 1:20:17.800
<v Speaker 2>easily if you if you commit to the shot and

1:20:17.880 --> 1:20:20.360
<v Speaker 2>get it up onto the flat land where where you

1:20:20.400 --> 1:20:22.479
<v Speaker 2>can chip it onto the green or find the surface.

1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:25.960
<v Speaker 2>But the second you you you go uncommitted and you

1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:29.120
<v Speaker 2>miss it to the right, it brings in, It brings

1:20:29.160 --> 1:20:31.759
<v Speaker 2>in any any sort of number. I made a seven

1:20:31.840 --> 1:20:34.679
<v Speaker 2>on the hole when I played it, So there's there's

1:20:34.680 --> 1:20:37.479
<v Speaker 2>no there's no question that there's gonna be high numbers

1:20:37.520 --> 1:20:39.440
<v Speaker 2>there at some point during the week.

1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:43.000
<v Speaker 1>You're down below yeah yeah, yeah, your way into the

1:20:43.040 --> 1:20:43.799
<v Speaker 1>into the gorge.

1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just like barely missed short right, and and you

1:20:47.600 --> 1:20:51.640
<v Speaker 2>watch the ball trundle down this incredibly steep slope and

1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:54.120
<v Speaker 2>then you're gonna you know, go down there and see

1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:56.120
<v Speaker 2>what kind of lie you have and try and get

1:20:56.160 --> 1:20:59.320
<v Speaker 2>it back up onto the putting surface. But then right

1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:03.080
<v Speaker 2>after that is also a fascinating hole, like I said,

1:21:03.120 --> 1:21:05.000
<v Speaker 2>because it has this big question, you know, do you

1:21:05.040 --> 1:21:08.200
<v Speaker 2>want to lay up kind of and remain on top

1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:10.479
<v Speaker 2>of the hill and have this shot down Are you

1:21:10.560 --> 1:21:14.479
<v Speaker 2>gonna you know, challenge hitting it down there and and

1:21:14.520 --> 1:21:17.559
<v Speaker 2>trying to either drive the green, which will definitely be

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<v Speaker 2>possible on a down one day, But that that that

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<v Speaker 2>specific downslope where the fairway drops off is very crowned.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a big hog's back, right, So it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>feeds into the trouble, right Yeah. So so if you

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<v Speaker 2>if you clear the hill, uh, you're kind of at

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<v Speaker 2>the mercy of the lynxland and where your ball is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna bounce, it can bounce left and go down into

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<v Speaker 2>some bunkers down the left side which then is going

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<v Speaker 2>to give you kind of this awkward you know, sub

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred bunker shot into the green, or it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to kick you right into this this kind of taller

1:21:52.640 --> 1:21:57.040
<v Speaker 2>native fescue area. So it's definitely a great kind of

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<v Speaker 2>risk reward hole where if you want to if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to take the risk and pound it down there

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<v Speaker 2>and try and get it close to the green, there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's some real penalty if you miss. But also if

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<v Speaker 2>you lay back your your way up on top of

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<v Speaker 2>this hill and you still have a wedge in your

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<v Speaker 2>hand most likely and you're hitting down to a really

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<v Speaker 2>low green, so it's gonna be hard to control where

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<v Speaker 2>your ball is going in the wind and get it

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<v Speaker 2>close to the hole. Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are some holes to look out for. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what your one and done pick is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be? Yet?

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<v Speaker 2>My one and done PM.

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<v Speaker 1>For the Friday Golf Club one and Dunpool. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm going with Tyrell Hatton. I might choose erl Hatton.

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<v Speaker 1>You kind of got to choose the Live Boys and

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<v Speaker 1>the Majors because they only show up for the for

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<v Speaker 1>the Majors and he can save the PGA to ur

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<v Speaker 1>horses for other events, but Terrel Hatton might do well here.

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<v Speaker 1>He might be frustrated by certain aspects of the course,

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<v Speaker 1>but he seems to play really well on links. He

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<v Speaker 1>plays brilliantly on the old course. Yeah, if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>terribly similar courses, but he can deal with the conditions least.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One one I've been thinking about is John Rahm.

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<v Speaker 2>I know he's played uh the Court Stewarty. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he won. I think he won. I don't remember the

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<v Speaker 2>exact tournament. It was an amateur tournament at Port Stewart

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<v Speaker 2>just down the road. So I think I think I'll

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<v Speaker 2>go with John Ram as my my one and done pick.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's gonna be a really good pick. I

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<v Speaker 1>already burned him for the for the PGA Championship. I

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<v Speaker 1>should have waited on that one. All right, Matt, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for coming on this deep dive podcast. Worldport Rush

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed this. Thank you for for doing all the

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<v Speaker 1>prep for this pod, as well as all the all

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<v Speaker 1>the work that you've done on Royalport Rush so far.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned your course profile and Friday Golf Club. People

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<v Speaker 1>should go see that, check that out and see all

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that you're going to do. In the run

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<v Speaker 1>up to the championship.

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<v Speaker 2>So thanks, yeah, thanks for having me.

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