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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's hear it for the man, the myth,

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Speaker 1: the legend, mister Max Williams, are you our super producer

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Speaker 1: and indeed, Noel part time werewolf? My name is Ben Bullen.

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Speaker 2: Part time. I guess everyone's a part time Werewolf's the right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not a werewolf all the time. Funny story, dude,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was so badass when I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: I thought I have my future career figured out. I

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Speaker 1: was going to be the first werewolf astronaut on.

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Speaker 2: Because that is a really cool hodgepodge of stuff that

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Speaker 1: Because then you're always a werewolf, right if the four.

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Speaker 3: It's a problem when you transform, you're gonna rip through

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Speaker 3: your spacesuit and then freeze to death and or implode

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Speaker 3: in the cold vacuum of space. I will say thank

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Speaker 3: lets you wear wolf power save you from that, which

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how that works. I will say thank

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Speaker 3: you to the good folks at NASA who did write

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Speaker 3: a response to a young No, they didn't yet was

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Speaker 3: it werewolves aren't real?

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Speaker 2: Bro go to the school.

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Speaker 1: It was very kind. I think I think my mom

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Speaker 1: framed it, but.

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Speaker 4: I loved it.

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Speaker 3: Though NASA had recalled you bro, I don't know why

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Speaker 3: that's the voice that I say.

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Speaker 2: NASA's response, it'd.

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Speaker 1: Be badass and speaking I.

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Speaker 5: Keep saying that word. It's almost like wanting at something.

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Speaker 5: It's like we're doing a segue. We are immensely fortunate,

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Speaker 5: fellow ridiculous historians, to be talking about generally badass things. Also,

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Speaker 5: we just found out we can say ass on the

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Speaker 5: air right without having to beep.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely, so we can't then, you know what, what

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Speaker 2: is it all for?

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Speaker 1: So so we are no. We are joined with a guest,

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Speaker 1: a friend of the show, a person we have followed

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Speaker 1: for quite some time, separately and together, the creator of

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Speaker 1: bad Ass of the Week, Ben Thompson born in Noddingly, Yorkshire,

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Speaker 1: England in eighteen forty three.

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Speaker 2: That's the one, right, I was.

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Speaker 4: So tempted to do like a British accent, which I

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Speaker 4: can't do, and so I was like, very hello, come

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Speaker 3: But by the way, Ben Thompson, aren't you sick of

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Speaker 3: these Brits sounding like better English speakers than we do?

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Speaker 3: Television shows, and then when you find out that there

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Speaker 3: Britsy like feel betrayed, like the blige to you all

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Speaker 3: the stage.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah man, yeah yeah, You're like you're like, what

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Speaker 4: was this? Like Superman and Batman, like Spider Man, they're

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Speaker 4: all British.

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Speaker 2: Now it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Writing is acting in our own accent.

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Speaker 2: Right on American? I would say, you know.

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Speaker 4: They asked, oh, man, whose house I'm blanking? Has the

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Speaker 4: name right now?

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Speaker 1: Betterfry and Laurie about.

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Speaker 4: Asking about acting for house, and he was like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: acting with an American accent is kind of like trying

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Speaker 4: to act with marbles in your mouth.

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Speaker 1: It's like great, it's also amazing jazz pianos. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: so you know, Yeah, he is in his own right.

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Speaker 1: He is, I guess a badass. Well let's give him

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Speaker 1: his flowers. Then you created Badass of the Week in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, and that's how Nolan and I

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Speaker 1: originally followed you. You know, we we love your work,

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Speaker 1: and you have appeared on previous episode of Ridiculous History.

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Speaker 4: Kind of wear wolf related talking about werewolves. Yeah, this

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Speaker 4: is the second time I've heard the astronaut werewolf story.

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, yeah, I always think of you, man, I

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Speaker 1: always think of you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, so this yeah, April two thousand and four,

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Speaker 4: So this is uh, this month is the twenty year,

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Speaker 4: twenty year anniversary of the website. It's crazy, twenty years wild, right?

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Speaker 4: Do you feel old, sir all the time? Every time

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Speaker 1: Jeez? Well we have we have asked you to join

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Speaker 1: us again because you always have an amazing investigation of

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Speaker 1: things that we call ridiculous history but also super badass stuff.

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Speaker 1: And in our previous episode, which everyone should check out

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Speaker 1: fast forward through the werewolf story.

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Speaker 4: Uh, we had a different take on it last time,

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Speaker 4: so it was exact different. It was a it was

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Speaker 4: an exciting twist to hear that NASA had written you

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Speaker 4: back that that was new information they did called did

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Speaker 4: you brow called you bro?

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Speaker 1: Yes, we'll check the letter while we're checking the receipts.

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Speaker 1: Ben tell us if you could tell Noel Max and

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Speaker 1: all of us ridiculous historians about Julie.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So last time I was here, I was talking

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Speaker 4: about I talked about the kung fu werewolf, right Ti

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Speaker 4: Jin He's you know. The story was that he was

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Speaker 4: That story was like kind of a mess in terms

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Speaker 4: but you know, a lot of the I we wanted

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Speaker 4: of his life, but you know, it was kind of

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Speaker 4: dobi Is is a bit of a different story here.

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Speaker 4: So she is, you know, she's not the Kung Fu werewolf.

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Speaker 4: She is a bisexual opera singing sword fighter from seventeenth

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Speaker 4: century France. Yes, and all of those things, all of

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Speaker 4: these things are great. Yes, she she killed her wounded

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Speaker 4: I didn't know either, because I have no opera background whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: But apparently it's deep.

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Speaker 2: It's deep. It's almost like a like a female baritone.

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Speaker 4: Or something like that. Okay, something like that.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, my opera brain just pinged at that one. I'm like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yes, so deep deep, singing deep with singing voice, probably

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Speaker 4: doing singing badass stuff. Right. She's she will act as

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Speaker 1: And holy orders, Holy orders, by the way, are the

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Speaker 1: And then she did this on purpose, right.

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Speaker 4: She became a nun in order to sneak into a

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Speaker 4: Right, we'll get to it.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the.

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Speaker 2: Paul Verhoven movie Benedetta No I do?

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Speaker 3: Seen its relatively recent and it is a intensely wild,

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Speaker 3: basically believes that she's being she is Jesus's kind of

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Speaker 2: And it's a very heavily sacrilegious film.

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Speaker 3: But it is a wild ride. And what you're describing

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to picture this through the lens of starship

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Speaker 2: Very weird art house guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I know anyone over they started.

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Speaker 1: There is a RoboCop cameo clear in one of the yes, exactly.

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Speaker 4: But the thing with her versus Tyjan is a lot

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Speaker 4: basically erotic fan fiction novels written about her that elaborate

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Speaker 4: on her story a bit. But we're going to try

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Speaker 1: So we're talking, we're talking then sixteen hundreds, right.

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Speaker 4: Sixteen hundreds. Yeah, she's born in sixteen seventy three.

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Speaker 1: Okay, sixteen seventy three. And what were the circumstances of

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Speaker 4: Okay, so let's get into her backstory. I do want

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Speaker 4: There was a French writer named fel Field Guiltier, and

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Speaker 4: he described her as beautiful, deadly, valiant, and supremely unchased,

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Speaker 4: which I love, chased, unshased, supremely soxpremelychased.

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Speaker 3: This person already has my heart. I'm absolutely crushing on Julie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is going to be. This is going to

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Speaker 4: be that Paul Verehoven movie mixed with I don't know,

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Speaker 4: maybe the Three Musketeers with uh, with Sue Curry absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Like Brotherhood of the Wolf or something. You know, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's go, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, let's go. So she is born in sixteen seventy three.

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Speaker 4: She is not royalty, but her father is a guy

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Speaker 4: named Gaston Dauby Gaston like Beauty and the Beast.

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Speaker 1: Uh, we were all thinking it.

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Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah, he was the Grand Squire of France, which

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Speaker 4: Three Musketeers think that kind of that kind of time period.

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Speaker 3: Everyone intensely smelly. Apparently Louis the fourteenth was very averse

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Speaker 4: Ever, yeah, huh, yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Baths his entire life, that's right. Wow, and he probably

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Speaker 3: just covered himself in oils and Linien Mass and we

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Speaker 3: the things where he was convinced that bathing is how

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Speaker 1: And his baths, those three baths, most of them were

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Speaker 1: not consensual. Yeah, Cat, you know right, Just so stream

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Speaker 1: and I think our pal A. J. Jacobs pointed this

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Speaker 1: out as well. The past smelled different and not in.

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Speaker 2: A good way.

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Speaker 3: Even when we were talking to Morocco recently, I don't

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Speaker 3: back in the seventies, everyone just kind of smelled.

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Speaker 2: Like bo all the time. So we've come a long way.

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Speaker 4: I think it's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're what a weird disclaimer? Uh, I'm glad we

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Speaker 1: I know everybody gets in situations. But the best way

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Speaker 4: Is yes, so Gaston Domi. He is the secretary to

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Speaker 3: It's funny, Ben, because they're always stuck in a box.

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Speaker 1: So? Okay, so is this guy? So this guy is

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Speaker 4: Something like that. I mean, I honestly just picture Gaston

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Speaker 4: Julie picks it up right away. That's going pretty well.

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Speaker 4: So he does he does what what you would do

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Speaker 4: That should that should calm him everything down.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Julia doesn't seem like the type

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, she uh, she was went to his house.

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Speaker 1: She is she is.

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Speaker 4: Fierce, determined, strong, good at fighting, good at horseback riding,

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Speaker 1: Is this guy's like a milk toast sort of dude,

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Speaker 4: No, she's out of town a lot. She bails, she

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Speaker 3: Being connected with nobility in that way probably got you

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Speaker 4: Exactly right. So she takes off, she keeps the name,

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Speaker 1: With the wanderings, Ben hold On. A wandering sword fighter.

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Speaker 3: Is that kind of like a mercenary sort of a

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Speaker 3: He's just always out there, like just grumpily wandering around

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Speaker 4: But but you were talking about the people who dance

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Speaker 4: But yeah, you fight this other guy. People bet money

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Speaker 4: you put in money. They put in money like like

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Speaker 2: So they're cool if you could bet on the joust

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Speaker 1: So hey, you can bet on anything that's true.

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Speaker 2: I like to bet on myself.

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Speaker 1: I like to bet. I like to bet that this

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Speaker 1: time you bring us a badass. It is so cinematic, right,

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Speaker 1: and as you said, this is different from our Japanese

439
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: werewolf taijin because there is documentation. So up to this

440
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: point we know this, Uh, we know that Mopan, Madame Mopan,

441
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: has taken up with a wandering swordsman. That's true. It's

442
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: not a euphemism, to be clear, right, to be a

443
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: funny one. But but okay, so she's out with this

444
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: guy busking.

445
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 4: Busking, and she starts participating, right, So that's the that's

446
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 4: the what ends up happening with her. She's traveling, puts

447
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 4: on these fighting demonstrations, and she's like, she puts them

448
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 4: on with him, so they'll fight together. They'll fight each other,

449
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,239
Speaker 4: they'll fight anybody from the crowd. Come on up here,

450
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 4: we've got an I'll bet whatever that I can beat

451
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 4: you in a sword fight.

452
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: All the dudes were like convinced they could take out

453
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: this a woman.

454
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 4: Yeah I can, yeah, exactly.

455
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Speaker 1: They're like a woman with a sword, scandalous.

456
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 4: Yes, And so well that is going okay, they're making money, right,

457
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 4: It's it's interesting, right, it's more interesting than the typical

458
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 4: public fighting demonstration, like, oh, this is a woman, she's

459
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Speaker 4: wearing pants. What is this strussed like a man, but

460
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 4: it's a woman what and so uh okay, yeah, so

461
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: they uh, they put on these fighting demonstrations and that's

462
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 4: going pretty well, except at some point Saran pisses somebody off,

463
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 4: probably on account of one of these demonstrations. They end

464
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 4: up fighting. Uh, he ends up fighting a real duel

465
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Speaker 4: with the guy behind a monastery, and Sarn kills the

466
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 4: guy with the sword in the sword fight. Okay, so yeah,

467
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 4: that's bad, but it's not necessarily the murder. It's not

468
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 4: a murder charge because it's it was it was a

469
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 4: fair duel. The problem is that at this point dueling

470
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 4: is illegal in France. Was supposed to duel, okay, and

471
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 4: you think about like the Musketeers. Everybody's duel. Everybody's sword

472
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 4: fighting all the time. But and it was common, right,

473
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: you have all these warriors with nothing, no war to fight,

474
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: so they're all fighting each other. Everybody's defending each other's

475
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 4: honor and all of that stuff, slapping with the white gloves.

476
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 4: But dueling was made illegal by Louis the fourteenth because

477
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 4: he was tired of all these French aristocrats killing each

478
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: other behind monasteries. He was like, we're wasting a lot

479
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 4: of good guys here with this stuff. Can we please

480
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: stop dueling?

481
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Speaker 1: What would economists call it a diminishing return?

482
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you know, I'd rather have this guy available

483
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 4: if I need him for a war than have him

484
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 4: die trying to defend his stupid honor over Yeah. Okay,

485
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 4: so maybe this is not such a bad thing for Surround,

486
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 4: except that Surround actually ends up getting a warrant out

487
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 4: for his arrest. And this is actually like a lot

488
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 4: of people, even though dueling was outlawed, a lot of

489
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: people were still dueling. So surrounds a little surprised until

490
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 4: he realizes that the warrant for his arrest was signed

491
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 4: by the Conte Armagnac, the Grand Squire of France, Julie

492
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 4: sex Lover.

493
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Speaker 1: Whoa, and at the time that was totally legal.

494
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wasn't wanted for murder. He was wanted for

495
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 4: illegal dueling. Oh wow, oh man, Yeah, and so they

496
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 4: were going to arrest him, So him and Mopann have

497
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 4: to go on the run together. Of course romantic, yes,

498
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 4: So they keep traveling around putting on sword fighting exhibitions,

499
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 4: but they've got to like move every couple of days,

500
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 4: put it on a different place because they got to

501
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 4: make money and stuff. But yeah, and eventually, like Julie

502
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 4: starts becoming a bit of an attraction because, like I said,

503
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 4: she's a singer and she eventually starts singing while she's

504
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 4: doing the sword fighting.

505
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: Like talking, making out of little songs on the fly.

506
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, like freestyle rapping like rap battle sword fight. Right.

507
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 4: So picture like like a like a bar like Gaston

508
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 4: would hang out at, like wood paneled, you know, rowdy

509
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 4: people drinking all this stuff.

510
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: Out of giant mugs, yes.

511
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: Slashing beer all over the floor. And then a woman

512
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 4: in man's clothing gets on the stage with a sword

513
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 4: and the big boots, the big hat, the musketeer kind

514
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 4: of hat, dressed like the Count of Money, Cristo or something,

515
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 4: and she starts singing like operatic contralto deep voice, and

516
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 4: she's holding the sword and she's challenging people in the

517
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: crowd to come up and fight her.

518
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: And like, hey, hoot, I want to be there. I'm

519
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: picture to see this right, oh wow.

520
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 4: Yeah. People will throw money on the stage because they're

521
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 4: they're happy with the show, or people will throw money

522
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 4: on the stage to be like you know, this is

523
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 4: what I'm going to bet that I can beat you

524
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 4: in a sword fight, right, and she will get up

525
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: there and the guy, you know, and this is like,

526
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 4: this is seventeenth century France, Like everybody knows how to

527
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 4: sword fight here. It's not like a random weird thing

528
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 4: that like this is this is everybody here knows how

529
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 4: to fight with the sword, because that's all you got, right,

530
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 4: you have a sword and you have one of those

531
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 4: flintlock one shot pistols.

532
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: Right right, which is what is that going to do?

533
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

534
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: That's like your opener or your closer, right, Yeah, everybody's.

535
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 4: Trained in how to fight with the sword. So these

536
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 4: guys get up on the stage and she starts kind

537
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 4: of like dueling with them and singing about them, making

538
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 4: fun of them and how they're dressed and how bad

539
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: they are at sword fighting.

540
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: She's doing an eight mile exactly.

541
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: I was really half joking when I said that, but.

542
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 4: This is totally true.

543
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible.

544
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 4: She would try to time the disarm with the song,

545
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 4: so like kind of like end with the note and

546
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 4: and the disarm at once.

547
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: So so she's like she's playing with them a little bit.

548
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: She's parrying maybe. Yeah, she gets to her like her

549
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: closing note.

550
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: That's the thing, right, In order to prolong it with

551
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: that level of precision, you have to be like a

552
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: cat playing with a mouse that's half dead, you know,

553
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: or just sort of like going with it.

554
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: Right.

555
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I picture like neo at the end of the matrix. Right, Like.

556
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: A particular word comes to mind already, y'all, and I

557
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: think you know what it is. It's it's badass. But please, yeah,

558
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: I know it's just gonna get better.

559
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay. Well, she's doing all this and she's kind

560
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: of gaining the celebrity. And one interesting thing that's happening

561
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: for her is after these demonstrations, you know, everybody likes

562
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: her and all the men are fawning over her or

563
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 4: whatever because she's very beautiful. She has these this auburn hair,

564
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: these piercing blue eyes. She's you know, very attractive to everybody.

565
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 4: But there are women at these bars that come up

566
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: to her and like they almost they think some like

567
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: she's dressed like a man. This is doing some weird

568
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 4: things for them, And so she starts getting a lot

569
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: of attention from women, and she realized that she really

570
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 4: likes it, which is.

571
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Forgive me, forgive me, sir, you are the handsomest man

572
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: I've ever seen.

573
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 4: Yes, right, that sort of thing.

574
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: So she had been sort of by curious up to

575
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: this point, but now she's getting some legitimate attention and

576
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: she's starting to realize that maybe this is sort of

577
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: her She likes it.

578
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is also illegal, like dueling. This is it's

579
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: also illegal to take up with a woman if you

580
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 4: are a woman in France at this time, but.

581
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: But not necessarily a man with a man, right or no?

582
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: Is that also illegal?

583
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 4: I think that's also illegal.

584
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: Unless you are an aristocrat, right.

585
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can do whatever you want.

586
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: It's sort of like alcohol in Saudi Arabia now.

587
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: Right, Yes, nobody sees you but the bartender.

588
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: It's fine, right, So okay, so this this life as

589
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: essentially a dangerous notable performer with fans. She is getting

590
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: a lot of notoriety, right, it's sort of a Maverick character.

591
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, she is kind of you know, becoming one

592
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: of the most popular of these people who do this. Now,

593
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: Mopan has a bit of a problem. So it's sixteen

594
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 4: ninety three now and Sarahan is still wanted, so they

595
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 4: still got to kind of pick up and move every

596
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 4: couple of days. He's still wanted for dueling, and at

597
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 4: this point they've up the charge to murder because they

598
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: can't for their annoyed that he's leaving, they can't find him.

599
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 4: And also the other problem is that my Pan's getting

600
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: attention from women. She likes it. Saran is a wanted

601
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 4: murderer and she most importantly, she has gotten to the

602
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: point where she can beat him at sword fighting whenever

603
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 4: she wants. So this guy has outlived his usefulness. He's gone.

604
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: She ditches him, heartbreaker. How are you not making films? Bed,

605
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: because I am like seeing the structural acts right here.

606
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and zero shades you professionally been But how

607
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: has this not already been made into a film?

608
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: It's just got all of the beats, right.

609
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 4: That's the thing. So this is a popular story in France,

610
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 4: and like I said, like you know, at the beginning,

611
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: this was her story. They made operas about it, they've

612
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: made plays about it all in French. They've written, like

613
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: I said, erotic novels like fan fiction basically about her. Yeah, exactly,

614
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: she comes to this, you know, adventuring like female James Bond.

615
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 4: There's a series of books written about her, you know,

616
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: after her death. But it's all in French. It's a

617
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: popular story, but it's just not There's not much about

618
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 4: it in English, and I feel like there should be.

619
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed to agree.

620
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 4: I don't know. I can't explain why nobody has paid

621
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 4: me money to write this movie. Yeah.

622
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: Well, luckily for us, this is ridiculous history. And my

623
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: pals Noel Max and I are our start a little

624
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: thing we call the Ridiculous Cinematic Universe.

625
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first. No one's ever attempted anything like this.

626
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: But ever, ever, this is one hundred percent originally so

627
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: so okay, there's this moment though which which we're at

628
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: here kind of a fulcrum and it is such a

629
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: such a troupe in stories. Right, you're talking about the

630
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: student becoming teacher.

631
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, she had learned from her dad and then

632
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 4: she had learned from Saran and now she beats him,

633
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 4: she leaves him and she starts sleeping.

634
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: Hey wait wait, wait, so she like she she sword

635
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: fights with him. They have the duel. Let's picture it.

636
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: This is exactly how I would write this, right, and

637
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: if we were going to do the cinematic universe version

638
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 4: of this.

639
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, So Ben set the scene

640
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: as you see it, because I'm seeing like, is it

641
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: is it on a cliff, you.

642
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: Know, real set piece kind of vibe, you.

643
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, yeah, the big duel. He's like, you know,

644
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: I taught you everything, you know? And she they're fighting

645
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 4: and she puts him, she has to defeat him in

646
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 4: sword fighting and then kind of walk away like well.

647
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: Of course it ends with her having the blade to

648
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: his throat, and of course as he's done on the

649
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: ground at the edge of the cliff, and then submits

650
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: to her. Finally, you see that he realizes that the

651
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 3: student has become the teacher and he can't even be mad.

652
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: He's almost proud, you know.

653
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: Right, you can see we have a shot of his

654
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: eyes and then like.

655
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: An hour wafting and then you go, you go take

656
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: him on the world.

657
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: Girl, She says, I will give you your life, but

658
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: you no longer possess my respect.

659
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: We're going to workshop this.

660
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 3: I think we're going in slightly differently.

661
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful perfect I think it's coher. But okay,

662
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: so she leaves now she is now she is something

663
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: quite controversial in France at the time, a woman with

664
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: her own agency fights better than the dudes.

665
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 4: Who is also a lesbian, who is also living in

666
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: Marseille with another woman. She is living really.

667
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: Openly right, like she doesn't really give an f you.

668
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, she is. She is sleeping with the daughter

669
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 4: of a wealthy merchant in Marseille. She's this like beautiful

670
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 4: young blonde woman named Cecilia Cecilia Portigali. Uh. And that's

671
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 4: going great. They're they're they're crushing it.

672
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: And of course we think of France as being pretty

673
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 3: early on the sexual liberation bandwagon, but this is even

674
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: before that. And it's honestly probably because of figures like

675
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: this that it became more widely.

676
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 4: Accepted, I think, so I think something to that, right, Yeah.

677
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 4: Monsieur Portigali is a is a well respected seventeenth century

678
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 4: Frenchman and his lovely daughter is now having a tourd

679
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 4: affair with a wondering swordsman.

680
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: Aka mister Portugal, which sounds like a I don't know,

681
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: like a cartoon villain or something, or like a boss,

682
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: a mob boss.

683
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: Mister Portugal is one hundred percent the name of a

684
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: nineties backpack wrapper from Williamsburg. I love that. Yeah yeah,

685
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: aka mister Portugal. You know you might have heard amongst

686
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: Wu Tang see.

687
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 4: I was gonna go with like like a like a

688
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 4: gin Blossoms vibe like band.

689
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, also consuing it with Portugal The.

690
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: Man the Man, which is a great band. Honest. Oh

691
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: they're fine, all right, talk about.

692
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: Different No, no, no, they're good, they're good. I just

693
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: I don't get all the hype. Sometimes I like a

694
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: couple of their songs quite a lot.

695
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Don't let the hype ruin things.

696
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: It's hard to let the hype ruin things.

697
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: Don't let the hype ruin things. Be rom person, have

698
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: your own agency, just like love the Pod.

699
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: I do try. It's hard. It's hard to be this

700
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: badass and like self possessed.

701
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: So at this point, now she's off on her own,

702
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: living her best life with ruffling some feathers along the way.

703
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah. And so mister Portugal does a thing

704
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 4: that he has available to him. Uh, you know, Gaston

705
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 4: married mopan Off to stop the affair that he didn't like.

706
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 4: Mister Portugal sends Cecilia to a nunnery to solve his problem.

707
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 4: You get thee to a nunnery.

708
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: And to be clear, this is both ridiculous and evil.

709
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: Like a candy cigarette. It was common at this time.

710
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: It was common at this time for families to send

711
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: daughters that they found problematic off to a convent.

712
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: Right yeah, I mean she's she's a lesbian. This is

713
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 4: against God. You need to go find God. You're going

714
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: to be a nun now, this is going to solve

715
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 4: all of our problems. You won't like, you won't just

716
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 4: you know, you won't make me look bad in front

717
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 4: of my friends in Marseille anymore. So he forces her

718
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: to become a nun, which is a thing that happened

719
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 4: to women in the seventeenth century. So what does Julie

720
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 4: Domini do? She is we have seen a very fiery person,

721
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 4: a person who does not like to be told what

722
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 4: to do, or when she should do it, or who

723
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 4: she should do it with. So this is the bit

724
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 4: from the from the Top where she goes to Avion,

725
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 4: goes to the convent that cecil has been basically imprisoned

726
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: at and tells them that she wants to become a nun.

727
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: Because you could just volunteer. I mean, they needed folks,

728
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 2: right like you still can't.

729
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we can't.

730
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: No, no, but I mean they didn't necessarily there wasn't

731
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 3: a test or anything. They didn't check your religious bona fides, like.

732
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 4: Check that she was married, because you're not really supposed

733
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 4: to be a nun if you're married.

734
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's bad on them, but in general, I think,

735
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: you know, you're supposed to just take them at face value, like, yes, okay,

736
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: this person's giving their life to God. Awesome, comrade.

737
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: We're gonna find that Mopana is very good at finding

738
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: finding lovers, both man and woman. She's very good at

739
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 4: convincing people to do things that you wouldn't expect her

740
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: to be able to convince them to do.

741
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: Oh she has riz.

742
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: She has riz. Yeah, I learned that recently. Eighteen charisma.

743
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice.

744
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: Yes, So she convinces the convent to accept her. I

745
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 4: don't know whether that's, you know, a nice sized bag

746
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 4: of gold or like a really decent SOB story, but

747
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 4: she's made a nun at the same convent where Cecilia is.

748
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 4: And in this, in the in the cinematic version of this,

749
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 4: I'm picturing Cecilia like being sad in the cloister and

750
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 4: then then then the nun shows up and like pulls

751
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: the pulls the hood back. Well, what are you doing here?

752
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: You know, Max, thank you so much for the music.

753
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: I know you just put in this because that is

754
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: the moment, the big reveal. Right, but uh, Ben, riddle

755
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 1: me this does does our protagonist stay a nune for

756
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: the rest of her life?

757
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: No, dn Uta thought.

758
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: She escapes and breaks out Cecilia in a in a

759
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: way that is pretty crazy. Like I like, this is

760
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 4: like we're getting into one of the crazier parts of

761
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: the story, if you can believe it. So here's what happens.

762
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 4: They start making they're they're hooking up in the in

763
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 4: the convent, which I imagine is not very easy to do

764
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: when you're surrounded by you know, nuns who are frown

765
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 4: on that sort of thing. And uh, they start planning

766
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 4: an escape. And so here's what they do. It doesn't

767
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: take them very long, uh to plan to plan their escape.

768
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: So one day one of the older nuns passes away

769
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 4: and the convent has a big funeral for her. So

770
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: usually do we waits a couple of days after the

771
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 4: funeral and sneaks out at night and digs up the

772
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 4: dead nun and puts her in Cecilia's bed, then sets

773
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 4: it on fire Jesus and then in the in the

774
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 4: flame and the confusion, the two of them flee the

775
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 4: convent under the cover of flame and darkness. And when

776
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 4: the nuns go to find where the fire started, oh

777
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 4: it's in Cecilia's room. Oh there's a burned up dead

778
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 4: body in Cecilia's room. Oh. I don't know what happened,

779
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 4: but she must have died. Yeah, so she helps classical ruse.

780
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: The old switcher room you get in situations.

781
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, dug up a dead body to fake Cecilia's death

782
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 4: and escaped.

783
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: Okay, first off, objectively ghoulish, but also quite successful.

784
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, it worked. It worked. And you know, this

785
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 4: is one of those stories that you would think would

786
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 4: come from like the erotic fan fiction. But we know

787
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 4: this happened because Mopan will be arrested for this crime

788
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: and there's public record of her of her arrest on.

789
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 4: So they find out that it's not Cecilia. They figure right,

790
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 4: they figure out what happened.

791
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: I mean, it seems this is this is a golden

792
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: era for being able to perpetrate these types of switcheroos

793
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 3: because a testing.

794
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: There's there's no there's really no photography.

795
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: Well there's photography, but it would be like kind of like, no,

796
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: there's no photography. No, it would be it would be

797
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: painted at the very would cut.

798
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 4: Maybe the body just didn't burn, like the plan was solid,

799
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 4: but maybe.

800
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: The body just didn't burn beyond it was.

801
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 4: And she's gone and Mopan's gone, or.

802
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: Maybe people found that a grave had been detegrated.

803
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 2: Very well, good, it's a good point.

804
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: So okay, So the law is once again after her,

805
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: right uh, and.

806
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 4: This time they catch her. So they catch her, they

807
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 4: put her, they take her to court, and for the

808
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: crime of like for what she did, they sentenced her

809
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 4: to death by burning at the steak.

810
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 2: Which what, Yeah, that's a little extreme.

811
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: Is that Is that something that's only reserved for like

812
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: women who are perceived as being like beyond like like

813
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 3: just so wicked and harlatty or something like that.

814
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: This dude's at the steak. I blame Big Firewood because

815
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: I think that was I think that was a part

816
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: of it. You know.

817
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: Here's the weird thing about that, though, is in the

818
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 4: court documents they refer to her as monsieur Mopin. They've

819
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 4: referred to her as a man in the court documents,

820
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 4: because because while digging up the dead nun and setting

821
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 4: the convent on fire and all that stuff is pretty scandalous,

822
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 4: the lesbian relationship was super scandalous. So, Monsieur Mupan, it's

823
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: said to death by burning at the stake.

824
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: Who similar to Joan of arc Right.

825
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean this is I mean I think

826
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 4: this is what they did to witches, right, and so

827
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 4: maybe it was like the fact that this happened to

828
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 4: a holy person in a holy place. You know, maybe

829
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 4: there's something to that.

830
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's a crime against God on several counts.

831
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what does Mupan do? She flees,

832
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: She gets away, She flees into the countryside.

833
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

834
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 4: Yet she continues doing her sword fighting and singing exhibitions.

835
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: So she's popping up, up and down. She's traveling down

836
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 4: the Lua River and performing once or once a night

837
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: at these various taverns and bars, and then getting out

838
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 4: of town before the law realizes where she's at.

839
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: This is amazing because she's rolling up to women and

840
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: men perhaps after an exhibition and saying saying, I like

841
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: your vibe. I've only got one night in town. I'm

842
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: on the run, you see.

843
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 4: Yes, that's a lot of person.

844
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: Would she have been traveling under a different name or

845
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: using a stage name.

846
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: It seems likely because for we know that she was

847
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: doing this sort of thing, she uses her own name

848
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: at a club in Paris three months after she has

849
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 4: escaped her death sentence, so we it's it's safe to

850
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 4: assume she is traveling under assumed names around this time

851
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 4: and moving around because she's traveled a big distance from

852
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 4: Avignon to Paris, and she's she's making money somehow, and

853
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 4: it seems likely she's doing that, And because she was

854
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 4: performing at this club in her name, it's kind of

855
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 4: a it seems likely well.

856
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: And and again, despite me being maybe about two hundred

857
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 3: years early on the photography tip, this would have been

858
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: a time when you really could elude the law for

859
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: extended periods of time just by using a clever disguise

860
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: and an assumed name, and just by being crafty, because

861
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: there just weren't the same kinds of like surveillance state

862
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: kind of.

863
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 4: Situations picturing like a like a Dungeons and Dragons wanted

864
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: poster right, Like, yeah, I call.

865
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: Her kind of a rogue. Would she be a bit roguish.

866
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: She's very much she's a bit swashbucklery.

867
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: Also, I'm just gonna say a lot of people perhaps, yeah,

868
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: bar she dual class, she dual classic. She's doing the

869
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: multi class.

870
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: She probably could dual wield, you know, from time to

871
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: time if she needed. Seems like a pinch.

872
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet her dexterity was crazy too, because we

873
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 1: can tell she can fight.

874
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's using a rapier, which is a dexterity base.

875
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: We've already established her charisma score through.

876
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: The roof ch okay, uh, everybody, welcome to Ridiculous History

877
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: presents Dungeons and Dragons Dungeons and Dragon five history.

878
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 4: I will definitely DM for you guys if you want. Yeah,

879
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 4: hell yeah.

880
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 3: After this, I'm going to resume my brand new game

881
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: of Fallout four, which, while it's not Dungeons and Dragons,

882
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: it has a similar structure.

883
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 4: Similar vibe. Yeah, you get the idea. That's like the

884
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 4: show is awesome.

885
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: So hey, wait, have you played boulders Gate three then?

886
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: So I have not. I have purchased it, I have downloaded,

887
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 4: I have installed it, but I was working on I'm

888
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 4: finishing off this one book that I'm working on, and

889
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 4: my ideal is like I cannot open that application until

890
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 4: my man completed. That will be my reward. I will

891
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 4: take it. I will take two weeks off and I

892
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 4: will play the game. But it's a black hole. Once

893
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 4: I open it, I'm done. Right, that's the end of

894
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 4: it for me. So I don't want to know anything

895
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 4: about it. I've never sure. I haven't played it, but

896
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 4: everybody I know it's great. I know I know I

897
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 4: need to play it, but I'm ready. I need one

898
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 4: more week to finish this book off and then diving

899
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 4: into it.

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00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: We believe in you.

901
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: We know you can do it, and we look forward

902
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: to hearing how you enjoy the game when you get

903
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 3: to reward.

904
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: Yourself and for everyone playing along at home. As you

905
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: doubtlessly know, our pal Ben Thompson has a podcast called

906
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: bad Ass of the Week. You may be thinking what

907
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: happens to Julie. There is an entire show about it,

908
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: much more in depth. We have not even Ben, would

909
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: you say that we have not yet begun to spar

910
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: with this barred well.

911
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess here's what I'll say, because you

912
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 4: know right now she's currently wanted for one sentenced to death.

913
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 4: She's gonna kill at least seven more people. And we

914
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: haven't even gotten to the bit where like she starts

915
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 4: to star for the Paris Opera, she has to deal

916
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 4: with this murder conviction thing. First, she goes to the

917
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 4: court of Versailles and kills the guy on Louis the

918
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 4: fourteenth front. Somebody takes uh. She's making out with some

919
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 4: woman in Versailles in front of Louis the fourteenth, and

920
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 4: these three guys take exception to it, ask her to

921
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 4: go outside, uh, and she leaves all three of them

922
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: bleeding in front of Versailles.

923
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: Nola and I were talking about this affair, and Nola

924
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: you were saying to Ben, what's like one of the

925
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: craziest moments.

926
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.

927
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's hard to encapsulate the entire

928
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: life of a human being, especially one who is so

929
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 3: roguish and barredly and badasses this one, you know, into

930
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: a single podcast. So we were kind of looking for, like,

931
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: give us a big, splashy moment, you know, to take

932
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: us out on and then people can you know, read

933
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: more about this incredible character on your site and listen

934
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 3: on your podcast.

935
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, take us home.

936
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so okay, well I guess I'll tell that story.

937
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 4: So she's she has managed to expunge her record. She

938
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: gets back, like she gets the death sentence waived by

939
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 4: Louis the fourteenth. Personally, what yes, yeah.

940
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: He's the king. It's an absolute breaks.

941
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: Into the Conte Armagnac's castle, like her former lover breaks

942
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 4: into his castle, like is sitting in his in his

943
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 4: dressing room when he comes home and is like, hey,

944
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 4: I need a favor, and he writes a letter to

945
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 4: Louis the fourteenth, who publicly pardons her for her crimes.

946
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: Then she goes to Versailles. Later, a bunch of other

947
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 4: stuff happens. She joins the parasop rush, becomes this big

948
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: rock star basically in Paris. She goes to Versailles for

949
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 4: a royal ball, right, like think like Cinderella kind of deal.

950
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 4: Marie Antoinette vibes, right, She's it's not Marie Antoinette time

951
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 4: period yet, but that's the vibe. Big hair, yeah, big hair.

952
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 4: She's there dressed as a man with the sword on

953
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 4: her on her belt. She's a famous actress.

954
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: Right.

955
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 4: She is dancing with every girl there and making out

956
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 4: with most of them just.

957
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: Like staggering, you know, jumping behind and making a real

958
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: spectacle exactly.

959
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 4: And these three guys, these three guys were all suitors

960
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 4: of the one girl that Julie was making out with.

961
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 4: But the way they didn't say that they're they're jealous

962
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 4: that they got shown up by a girl. That you

963
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 4: say that, like, oh, we this is what you're doing

964
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 4: is disrespectful to Louis the fourteenth, And we need to

965
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 4: take you outside and teach you a lesson. She says, okay, fine,

966
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 4: and she takes them outside, duels them each in succession,

967
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 4: leaves all three guys bleeding and wounded on the sidewalk

968
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 4: in front of like a crowd of people.

969
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: This is so weird. I'm picturing I'm picturing spaghetti westerns,

970
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I'm picturing all a little more code

971
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: like you can you can fight me together, but one

972
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: at a time, if your orn is so important.

973
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: And a lot of the imagery of this and you go,

974
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: we're back to werewolves again really makes me think of

975
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: the absurdly wonderful weird oh genre mashup film The Brotherhood.

976
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 2: Of the Wolf.

977
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: I love that kind of like French ninjas fighting this

978
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: mysterious beast of gold.

979
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: Is that what it was?

980
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: Just? I don't know.

981
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: Wandering swordsmen, all of this kind of tree really gives

982
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: me Brotherhood of the Wolf.

983
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 4: Five Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she she, she, she wounds

984
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 4: all three of these guys, puts the sword back, goes

985
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 4: back inside. Yeah, that woman again. She's arrested again, of course,

986
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 4: because and you stooal three dudes in front of Louis

987
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 4: fourteenths castle.

988
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: Is also like the sexiest thing you could do when

989
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: you're meeting someone.

990
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: I like you.

991
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: I think we've got a real connection. Hang on, I

992
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: gotta step outside for a second.

993
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 4: Just let me just deal with this real quick. I'll

994
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 4: be right whatever. Ye hold my champagne, right.

995
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, ship and uh with this, we know there is

996
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: much much more to the story. And I think that's

997
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: one of the things we appreciate so much about Badass

998
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: of the Week. We cannot let you go, Ben without

999
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: following up on one thing you slid in in a

1000
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: super cool way. You've got a book, huh you got yeah?

1001
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: Book coming.

1002
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 4: I've been working on I've been working I'm actually I'm

1003
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 4: trying to finish off three things that I've been working

1004
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: on for like multiple years now.

1005
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: So I have the feeling.

1006
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I just finished we were talking about Dungeons

1007
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: and dragons. So I have been writing D and D

1008
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 4: adventures like D and D modules. Yeah. My friend Brian Snowdy,

1009
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 4: he's an original like Alpha Magic artist. He's an original

1010
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 4: D and D like the illustrator, and so he's doing

1011
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: all the art for him and I'm writing them. So

1012
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 4: those are You can check those out on the website

1013
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 4: Badass ofdweek dot com.

1014
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: Ben Bowlin is a legitimate D and D tabletop player.

1015
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 3: I am exclusively in the video game realm, but I'm

1016
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 3: really trying to break out one day.

1017
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 4: I'll send it to you like that. And that's the

1018
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 4: way I can DM without even actually having a schedule.

1019
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: You guys, what if we did this is max keep

1020
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: it on air. It might be embarrassing, But what if

1021
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: we did just like one time, a D and D

1022
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: campaign episode of ridiculous history. We could do like.

1023
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 3: Can't you do kind of you can change you can

1024
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: make it themed, right, can't you like have the big

1025
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 3: bad kind of be like some historical villain?

1026
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: You know, sure, because you're you do a one off

1027
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: kind of contained thing.

1028
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 3: And I like this idea a lot. I think we

1029
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: should we should backpocket this. What else are you working on, Ben, So?

1030
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm doing the D and D Adventures and then

1031
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 4: so there's a five five books in that series. I

1032
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 4: just finished those off. I'm working on a book for

1033
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 4: so I do Badass, But I also have like a

1034
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 4: series I do for a younger audience called Guts and Glory.

1035
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 4: It's for like middle school, high school age, and so

1036
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 4: I'm working on a book. I'm putting the finishing touches

1037
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 4: on a book now called Putin versus Lensky, which is

1038
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 4: kind of a lead up to the Ukraine War. I

1039
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 4: don't deal with the Ukraine War, but it's like why

1040
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 4: are they fighting and how long have they been? Because

1041
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 4: those two countries have been fighting each other since like

1042
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 4: the Viking times, and it's so complex and complex. Yeah, yeah,

1043
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: it's super complex and nuance. There's a lot of stuff

1044
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 4: happening there, and so I try to very I try

1045
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 4: to spell out the history of why these countries are

1046
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 4: fighting right now.

1047
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 3: I think that's an incredibly valuable thing for young people

1048
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: because it's so easy growing up with just kind of

1049
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 3: like a very vague sense of these kinds of things

1050
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: if you got it in school at all, you know.

1051
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 4: Even like even in the US, there was kind of

1052
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 4: a vibe of like when the Ukraine War started, there

1053
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 4: was like a general consensus across the US of like,

1054
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 4: isn't Ukraine and Russia like the same thing? You know,

1055
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 4: Like were you guys just all Soviets? It was all

1056
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 4: like the same, right, But we were.

1057
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: Just talking about Sheshnia. They have banned music of a

1058
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: certain beats per minute range in order to be more

1059
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: in keeping of the Chechnian folk tradition of folk music.

1060
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: And I did not realize that she Shechnia was a

1061
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: Russian you know, I guess vassal state kind of. But

1062
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: they had also waged war against Russia several times in

1063
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 3: the past. So all of that that the theater of

1064
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 3: that part of the world is mega nuance, like you said,

1065
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 3: And I think.

1066
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 4: It's really interesting because that was the public message that

1067
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 4: was being put out by the Soviet Union is yes,

1068
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 4: if you asked, if you asked, like a you know,

1069
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 4: we asked Russia, they would say, yes, we are all

1070
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 4: the same thing. This is our internal problem to leave it.

1071
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 4: And the Ukrainians would be like, no, actually, we're like

1072
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 4: a whole other thing. We got our whole language everything,

1073
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 4: We got a.

1074
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: Solid and crimea and like the gifting of it.

1075
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 4: Uh, now there's a whole thing there. So I'm gonna

1076
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 4: I'm doing a I'm doing a book on that for

1077
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 4: kids to kind of give them a primer on it.

1078
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 4: And then I'm also trying to finish off this novel

1079
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 4: I've been working on for one hundred years over year,

1080
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 4: but not at least like four years of working on

1081
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 4: this thing. So I'm just trying to polish that off too.

1082
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 1: Time is different when you're when you're writing.

1083
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, because this is like a personal project.

1084
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 4: Uh you know, this is the novel is the thing

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Speaker 4: that gets put on hold every time paying work shows up,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, And also, uh gosh, no, I'm hearing all

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Speaker 1: this stuff from a fellow bin out here changing the world.

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Speaker 1: And man, one time, you know this, one time I

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Speaker 1: fell asleep trying and put on a pair of pants.

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Speaker 2: You had that one leg in there. The other one

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Speaker 2: was just too much for it.

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Speaker 1: It was too much. We cannot wait to hear your

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Speaker 1: opinions about Badass of the Week, folks. Ben Thompson, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So much for classing up our show. Here where where

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Speaker 1: can people find you and interrupt your work on your novel?

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Speaker 4: So you can find me at Badass of Theweek dot com.

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Speaker 4: There's links to everything on their Facebook, Twitter, all that Instagram,

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Speaker 4: all that stuff. And like you said, there is a

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Speaker 4: full episode on Julie dow on Badass and so if

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Speaker 4: you want to check out Badass of the Week podcast

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Speaker 4: that's anywhere you can get podcasts, you can check that

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00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 4: episode out because they think it's a really good one

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Speaker 4: and people will enjoy it. If you liked you heard

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Speaker 4: so far, it's kind of just more of that.

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Speaker 1: We just got to the We we got some teases

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Speaker 1: right for the turn, but we we just sort of

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Speaker 1: set up the beginning so to She just wanted.

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Speaker 4: For death to get this the second time. We wanted Wow,

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Speaker 4: you know, and the toylet.

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Speaker 3: The idea of making this a two parter. But honestly,

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Speaker 3: like I think it would benefit you the listener. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you to get this version of the story, this part

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Speaker 3: of the story, and now pivot ye directly get ye

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Speaker 3: not to a Nunnery, but to the Badass of the

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Speaker 3: Week podcast feed and or website to get the rest

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Speaker 3: of this incredible, stirring, swashbuckling tale.

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Speaker 1: You specifically you, thanks as always to our super producer,

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Speaker 1: mister Max Williams, Jonathan Strickland, ak the Wuister A J.

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Speaker 3: Bahamas Jacobs oh Man, We're actually I don't know if

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Speaker 3: he listens to every episode, but.

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Speaker 2: We know for a fact that he listens to some.

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Speaker 4: I was just on the puzzler like like like a

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Speaker 4: week ago.

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Speaker 3: Bahamas was an inexplicable nickname that Ben has gifted AJ.

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Speaker 3: And we love the mystery of it, and it's going

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Speaker 3: to continue. Whenever he writes us, he always describes it

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Speaker 3: coming to us from his own personal Bahamas wherever that

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Speaker 3: might be, even if it's in like Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: But we're gonna we're gonna be se I'm pretty soon

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Speaker 2: in person. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we just dropped that as a little tease easter

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Speaker 3: egg for him if he happens to hear it. We're

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Speaker 3: making a special trip just to see AJ for a

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Speaker 3: very special book event for his new book, A Year

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Speaker 3: of Living Constitutionally, which we're very excited to be a

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Speaker 3: part of.

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Speaker 1: Thanks also to Eve's Jeff Goat, Christopher Hasiotis, Casey Pegram

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Speaker 1: since we are in a Francophone episode of French history

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Speaker 1: episode and no thanks to you man.

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Speaker 2: To you as well. We'll see you next time, folks.

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Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.