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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting when the NIL and a transfer

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Speaker 1: portal emerged in college football and the media does this

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Speaker 1: all the time, and it's irritating to me as somebody

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Speaker 1: that's in the media, and I push back on this

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Speaker 1: all the time. It's it's the end of the world

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Speaker 1: of the rich. You're gonna get richer, run for your lives,

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Speaker 1: and it's never true. Our political media does this, our

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Speaker 1: sports media does this. All I heard when the NIL

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Speaker 1: came out the rich are gonna get richer. Well, what's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen to Purdue? I don't know, what's always happened

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Speaker 1: to Purdue? You know, good basketball week football. The bottom

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Speaker 1: line here is the NIL and the transfer portal expanded

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Speaker 1: the field.

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Speaker 3: Ohio State feels like.

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Speaker 1: They're the best team I think, and they won the

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Speaker 1: Natty last year and yet lost as a twenty point

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Speaker 1: favorite of Michigan and lost Oregon. So the five best

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Speaker 1: teams I've seen, and I think Ohio State's the best team,

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Speaker 1: and then everybody else on any given Saturday can beat

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Speaker 1: anybody else. I would do Georgia's second, Indiana third, Ole,

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Speaker 1: miss fourth, Oklahoma fourth or fifth, Bama sixth. I don't

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Speaker 1: buy Texas A and M. I watched the entire game

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Speaker 1: this weekend. They trailed thirty to three at a half

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Speaker 1: to a really average team. They came back at and

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Speaker 1: won at home. But I just don't buy them. Nice win,

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Speaker 1: but I think they've played a pretty week schedule. I

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Speaker 1: don't buy them. I think they're like six or seventh best.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma to me has been really surprisingly good.

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Speaker 3: But I mean out.

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Speaker 1: We always do this, and the media is to blame

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Speaker 1: on this. It's always the worst scenario possible. It's always

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Speaker 1: tariffs are going to ruin the economy. Well, maybe they'll

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Speaker 1: puncture it a little, they'll bank ruin the We survived

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Speaker 1: a pandemic, We shut the economy down for six months

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Speaker 1: and survived. Take a deep breath. The end is not near.

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Speaker 1: We do this in sports. This is going to all

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Speaker 1: the transfer portal is going to be.

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Speaker 3: Just fine, just fine.

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Speaker 1: I mean, right now, Indiana football is better than LSU

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Speaker 1: Ole Miss football is better than Alabama. Did you think

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Speaker 1: that is what the NIL and the transfer portal we're

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Speaker 1: going to create. I don't know what tariffs do to

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Speaker 1: the economy, but good bad who knows. Probably not great.

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Speaker 1: I just think the media tends to exaggerate what's going

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Speaker 1: to transpire when there's new stuff introduced to the market.

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Speaker 1: AI will eliminate all jobs. I bet it doesn't. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go with it.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go where we survive it and it expands

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Speaker 1: the economy eventually. But I'm watching college football the last

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Speaker 1: two weekends, and I mean it's I watched Iowa USC

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Speaker 1: came down to a play. I watched Michigan Northwestern came

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Speaker 1: down to a kick.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm watching all these games.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing I know is if Georgia

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Speaker 1: plays Texas, Georgia is gonna win. That is all I know.

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Speaker 1: I think Ohio State's the best team in the country.

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Speaker 1: It is, you know, just to show you how college

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Speaker 1: football has changed. Ohio State used to be linebacker territory

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Speaker 1: and running back territory. It's all wide receivers and quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: now so, but I think that college football.

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Speaker 3: To me, there's no.

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Speaker 1: Gap between Clemson, Indiana, Notre Dame USC. It looks very

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Speaker 1: close to me. It all looks mushed in the middle.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma's better than I thought they would be. Indiana's obviously emerged,

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Speaker 1: But I don't see a big gap between Oregon and Iowa.

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Speaker 1: I did five years ago. I don't now J Mack

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Speaker 1: with the news. This is the herd line news, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, Colin, let's get started with this Lamar Jackson kind

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Speaker 4: of clunker against the Cleveland Browns. Browns did cover the

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Speaker 4: spread very nice showing. Obviously the injury to Gabriel hurt

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Speaker 5: Colin.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how close you watches. He does not

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Speaker 4: have the same juicy once had for carries ten yards.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 4: The Browns defense is scarming. Miles Garrett was tremendous. We'll

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Speaker 4: get to him shortly. Here's Harball on the Ravens climbing

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Speaker 4: back into the AFC North Race.

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Speaker 6: We're five and five, Our head's just above water. We're

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Speaker 6: just above water breathing. We're not even out of the water.

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Speaker 6: It's a typical AFC North battle. And I'm proud of

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Speaker 6: the guys for the way they played and what they

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Speaker 6: had to do to find a way to win that

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Speaker 6: game in the second half to win and did it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I might think it's realistic that a quarterback and

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Speaker 1: he's not Josh Allen or big Ben big.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at it.

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton and Big Ben got old very fast and

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Speaker 1: they're a huge athletes six six two sixty. Lamar's pretty slender.

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Speaker 1: How many years can you take hits? So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean Cam is as big a quarterback, Ben as

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Speaker 1: big a quarterback as you're gonna see. Michael Vick once

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Speaker 1: told me about year four. He's like he took a

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Speaker 1: hit from London Fletcher and he's like, yeah, I don't want.

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Speaker 3: To do this anymore. I think it was London Fletcher.

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Speaker 1: So I mean my take is Lamar is still amazing,

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Speaker 1: but it's not you age and when you take hits

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Speaker 1: for a guy. I don't know how much he weighs

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Speaker 1: two fifteen to eighteen two twenty. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: big he is. He's gotten bigger, but I think it,

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Speaker 1: and I also think we have to give Cleveland credit.

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Speaker 1: They have a really good roster. They just don't have

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Speaker 1: an elite quarterback. Cleveland's got dudes, they got a really

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Speaker 5: They show up at home.

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Speaker 4: Let's drill down on Miles Garrett for a second, Colin,

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Speaker 4: he is unbelievable right now.

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Speaker 5: Four sacks.

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Speaker 4: Second time this season he's had four sacks. Here's my thing.

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Speaker 4: Miles Garrett's playing on an awful team going nowhere. They're

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Speaker 4: not suddenly making the playoffs next year. Miles Garrett turns

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Speaker 4: thirty in December. Come, I'm just curious. If I'm Cleveland,

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Speaker 4: I go into this offseason, we got a lot of questions.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking to trade Miles Garrett. Somebody is going to

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Speaker 4: give up at least two ones for him. He's at

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Speaker 4: at a level that's higher than Micah Parsons right now.

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Speaker 4: I think if you're you're a Kansas City Chiefs, I mean, heck,

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Speaker 4: you're you're a Buffalo Bills, You've got to kick the

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Speaker 4: tires and say, can we just get Miles Garrett and

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Speaker 4: go in because you've got a game plan.

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Speaker 1: Well, what Miles Garrett, what if the Rams would have

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Speaker 1: done that with Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald, there.

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Speaker 3: Was no duplicate.

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Speaker 1: When you have the best player in the world at

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Speaker 5: But the Rams were always a contender with Staff.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, if you go to the last couple

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Speaker 4: They were well that that was early, early in his career.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, you get late, like thirty

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Speaker 5: I think you get what you can for him at

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Speaker 4: Don't you know if somebody goes to you and says

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Speaker 5: Four and five, aren't you doing that instantly?

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Speaker 1: No, Cleveland's already got enough ones. Cleveland doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: first round pick shortage. Cleveland has a quarterback shortage. They

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Speaker 1: don't have I have a short When you have the

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Speaker 1: best player in the world at any position and they're

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Speaker 1: still performing at an elite.

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Speaker 5: Level, I'm not trading them. But Dallas just did that.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, you're not listening. Mike is not close

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Speaker 1: to Miles. How many four SAC games does Mike have?

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett is literally next to lt the most dominant

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Speaker 1: edge rusher in the history of football. But Mike is

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Speaker 1: a fourth fifth best. I take Max Crosby. I would

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Speaker 1: take TJ. Watts better against the run, I'd take Miles

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Speaker 1: get Mike is a really elite ed rusher, He's not

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Speaker 1: the top three in the sport. I take Aiden Hutchison

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Speaker 1: over Micah Parsons absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Oh my, Okay, I did not expect they would go there. Okay,

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Speaker 4: let's move on to the Bears and Vikings. Colin Bears

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Speaker 4: get lucky once again. Hey, better to be lucky than good.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes. Let's focus on JJ McCarthy for a moment, shall we?

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Speaker 4: Sixteen of thirty two for a buck fifty spray in

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Speaker 4: the ball all over the yard and showed his frustrations

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Speaker 4: on the side line throughout you I mean, he's just

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Speaker 4: missing throws.

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Speaker 5: That was a terrible one right there. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell was asked about JJ after the game, and

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Speaker 4: I don't know, listen to this.

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Speaker 7: He was frustrated, and I just I just kept telling him,

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Speaker 7: you know, feet and eyes, feet and eyes and and

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Speaker 7: the and the things that we saw throughout the week

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Speaker 7: on the practice field. You know, make it about that.

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Speaker 7: You know, with a with a young quarterback, there's going

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Speaker 7: and continue to highlight and tie that preparation throughout the week,

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Speaker 7: and our plans to you know, what he does well

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Speaker 7: and continue to coach at things that where we feel

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Speaker 7: the emphasis needs to be on.

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Speaker 5: Is there a level of performance that he would get

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Speaker 7: To for you to consider whether he's just to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I'm not going to get into any

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Speaker 4: Oh not a resounding vote of confidence. That being said,

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Speaker 4: Wentz is chose for the year. The backup is his kid,

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Speaker 4: the rookie from Minnesota, Brasmer or.

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Speaker 5: Something like that.

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Speaker 4: Colin Again, McCarthy wasn't good and you look at the

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Speaker 4: numbers this season, these are Jared Goffl. Like with Jeff Fisher,

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Speaker 4: if you remember those days you referenced earlier, I.

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Speaker 1: Would just keep playing him till the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: You've got to get an answer. Maybe it pops. I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's any reason to bench him. I just think, listen,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you give up a fourth and a fifth,

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Speaker 1: just plan the rest of the season. This is not

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Speaker 1: a situation where he's got a defensive coach and no

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Speaker 1: legitimate receivers. Now, Jordan Edison had two ugly drops, but

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Speaker 1: this is a good tool belt for a quarterback to have.

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Speaker 1: All the weapons are there. I would just give him

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Speaker 1: another how many games left? Six seven starts. I just

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Speaker 1: keep starting him, keep playing him, get the reps. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it clicks. There's no reason to rush. Kevin O'Connell's job

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Speaker 1: is not in danger. Justin Jefferson still in his prime.

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Speaker 1: It's a good operation. Sometimes you just you don't have

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Speaker 1: Again it's my media criticism.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to rush anything. Just let it play out.

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Speaker 1: You're not a super Bowl team with him. Sometimes you

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Speaker 1: need to get answers and you have to have them

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Speaker 1: try to mess around with him. Now, some people in

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Speaker 5: Media is so focused on McCarthy like that. Final story is.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the new.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't there a movie called Escape from New York? That's

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Speaker 1: it's a weird game. I mean, I didn't the Raiders

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Speaker 5: You gotta score it. Come on, let's let's hear it.

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Speaker 4: Twenty eight twenty four Cowboys. Wow close, I'll go twenty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, Chiefs are favored in that game.

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Speaker 5: I think na half yep, you got a factor in

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Speaker 4: Hey, it's nice to see Jets, you know, itching towards

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the News, Well that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping by the line News. One of the craziest

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Speaker 1: games had to be the Rams holding off the Seahawks,

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Speaker 3: What was the intensity like on the sidelines.

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Speaker 3: I love this group.

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Speaker 9: They energized me, Colin, and I tell you just the

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Speaker 3: It was a unique game.

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Speaker 9: There wasn't a lot of possessions in plays that the

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Speaker 3: Was fired up. My mom's gonna be yelling at me.

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Speaker 9: For the curse words. They gotta be careful having a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those two year olds are like their parents. They

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Speaker 1: when you You guys have had success with Darnold and

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Speaker 9: Stats are for losers because we had zero sacks, but

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Speaker 9: I thought Matthew did a phenomenal job of being able

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Speaker 9: We weren't able to sustain drives and just you know

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Speaker 9: And like I said in that locker room, it's a

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Speaker 1: Last seven games, twenty two touchdowns, no picks for Stafford.

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Speaker 9: so I do think there's a feel for the flow

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Speaker 9: of the game. There's twenty two moving parts that are unpredictable.

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Speaker 9: And it's not just these decisions aren't made in a box,

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Speaker 9: but you're betting on people, You're betting on different scenarios, situations,

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Speaker 9: What are the matchups based on what you're projecting, stematic lead,

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Speaker 9: you know, and so all those things way into it.

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Speaker 9: But I thought our fourth down conversions offensively were key

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Speaker 9: and critical that led to scoring drives. Whether it's our

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Speaker 9: first touchdown from two yards out from Kiren, whether it

448
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Speaker 9: ended up being a fourth and one run where he

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Speaker 9: goes for thirty four and then we end up hitting

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Speaker 9: DeVante two plays later.

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Speaker 3: So guys have done a good job. But it's a

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Speaker 3: part of it.

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Speaker 9: It's not the only part of it, uh because I

454
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Speaker 9: just think this game has so many moving parts with

455
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Speaker 9: twenty two variables every single snap.

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Speaker 3: Who's your leader on defense? It's young, who's your leader?

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Speaker 9: Well, we've got great leaders across the board. I think

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Speaker 9: what's cool is we've got captains on all three levels,

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Speaker 9: where Kobe Turner, Nate Landman, and then Quinton Lake, you know,

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Speaker 9: they've done a great job. I think in you know, innately,

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Speaker 9: some of these guys that are thrust into a leadership

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Speaker 9: role with the communication. Landman's such a great communicator, Quinton

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Speaker 9: Lake's been outstanding. But those three captains, but I could

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Speaker 9: name some other guys that stepped.

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Speaker 3: Up in a big way.

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Speaker 9: I think the cool thing is we got a bunch

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Speaker 9: of guys that have leadership capacity.

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Speaker 3: Those were the guys.

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Speaker 9: That were voted all with captains, but there's.

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Speaker 3: A lot of guys.

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Speaker 9: You know, you don't have to be a captain to

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Speaker 9: be a leader, and I think, you know, our team's

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Speaker 9: got a lot of guys with those natural traits and characteristics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting when he talks about analytics. Last night,

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Speaker 1: as Jamak pointed out, Detroit kept going forward on fourth down,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of times I watched these games and

477
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Speaker 1: I'm like, are you home or your way? Like, I

478
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Speaker 1: think it's very difficult to me. I don't love Detroit

479
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Speaker 1: last night. Keep going for it, keep going forth? Why

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Speaker 1: because the interior d line of the Eagles is the

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Speaker 1: best in the sport and they are analytics. Dave Roberts

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Speaker 1: in the World Series, you know, there was some stuff

483
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Speaker 1: that he didn't buy the book he went with.

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Speaker 3: You know, Miguel Rojas, I trust him. I kind of.

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Speaker 1: Feel like he's going to make a play. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess politics has some of that too, where there's

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Speaker 1: some instinct. You've been around, You've run a lot of campaigns,

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Speaker 1: you kind of have a feel for stuff. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I I always use the term analytics. Something

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Speaker 1: else has been brought to my attention. I don't don't

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Speaker 1: really pay attention. I don't keep track of this, but

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Speaker 1: I've been told that the Blazing five went five and

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Speaker 1: oh last week. The heater continues. I am hitting on

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Speaker 1: a sixty one point eight percent clip that's the good news.

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Speaker 1: The bad news is I don't like the lines at

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Speaker 1: all this week. I like the Green Bay line and

497
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Speaker 1: that's about it. If CJ. Stroud plays. I like the

498
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Speaker 1: Texans getting a bunch of points against Buffalo, but both

499
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Speaker 1: of us had a very good weekend. But I want

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Speaker 1: to go back to the analytics part again. I believe

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Speaker 1: in getting all the information in whatever it is, politics, sports,

502
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Speaker 1: Wall Street, tech. Just give me all the information. But

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Speaker 1: there is a moment in analytics doesn't weigh momentum. Analytics

504
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Speaker 1: doesn't weigh well, I've got an injured right guard and

505
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Speaker 1: the Eagles defensive interior is the best in the sport?

506
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Speaker 1: Am I home or away? What's the weather like? Are

507
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Speaker 1: we playing with a ton of momentum or confidence? And

508
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Speaker 1: like last night, I thought, like you said, the line

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Speaker 1: was Dan Campbell was on tilt. I'm just gonna go

510
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Speaker 1: for it. And I'm like I and Greg Olson and

511
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Speaker 1: I would argue on this. There are times in games

512
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Speaker 1: I just want the point. I like playing with leads.

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Speaker 1: When you play with the lead, you forced teams to

514
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Speaker 1: make decisions. They wouldn't have trailing or I wouldn't have leading.

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Speaker 3: So I like the lead football games early and late.

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Speaker 5: The NFL isn't blackjack.

517
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Speaker 4: People are trying to act like it's hey, play by

518
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Speaker 4: the book, you know the rules, this is what you're

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Speaker 4: supposed to do.

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Speaker 5: That's not what the NFL is.

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Speaker 4: Colin, for example, you know you and I on this show,

522
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Speaker 4: we have certain topics we're gonna cook and they're gonna

523
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Speaker 4: be awesome. But the analytics say, oh, you can't talk

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Speaker 4: about that team or that sport. It's not gonna work. No,

525
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Speaker 4: we understand each other and know.

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Speaker 5: What can pop. Look at Mike McDaniels, did you watch it?

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Speaker 4: Dlphin's I was losing my mind. Okay, all you need

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Speaker 4: to win the game is a field goal from like

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Speaker 4: the two yard line. Oh e, the line was two

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Speaker 4: and a. I was on Dolphins and he goes.

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Speaker 5: For it and they fail, and I'm like, what the

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Speaker 5: hell are you doing? And they go to overtime they

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Speaker 5: get lucky. But like sometimes you just got to.

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Speaker 4: Like go I think that that's smart and forget the analytics.

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Speaker 1: That reminded me that Mike McDaniel move reminded me of

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Speaker 1: a Brandon Staley move when he went forward against the

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Speaker 1: Raiders deep in his own territory.

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Speaker 5: That's right, and you're like, bro, what on earth are

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Speaker 5: you doing?

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Speaker 3: Even if you.

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Speaker 1: Pick the first down up, you're still three to four

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Speaker 1: first downs away from a field goal attempt. Like, so

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Speaker 1: you have to weigh the pros and the cons. Am

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Speaker 1: I taking a risk here, Like in the Miami game.

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Speaker 1: My take was, Dude, you're in Berlin. It's an ugly game.

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Speaker 5: Wait was it Berlin?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it was Berlin. You're in an ugly game.

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Speaker 3: Washington doesn't have much.

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Speaker 1: They're on a backup quarterback, kick the field goal, take

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Speaker 1: the lead over in Europe, and if they beat you,

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Speaker 1: they'd beat you. That was a prime example where it

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Speaker 1: just drove me absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 4: Some of these coaches make really puzzling even what's his

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Speaker 4: name Eagles coach Siriani last night, like some of the

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Speaker 4: decisions he was making in his own end the twist

556
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Speaker 4: push was not working, Colin, he still went to it

557
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Speaker 4: with I think the backup center it failed, and now

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Speaker 4: you gave Detroit three free points. I'm like, man, what

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Speaker 4: are you thinking?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, h.

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Speaker 3: Wrap it up in Chicago next to Hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 2: and Noone Eastern not a em Pacific Sunday.

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Speaker 4: A Fox NFL doubleheader starts with Justin Jefferson and the

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Speaker 4: regional action. Then in America's Game of the Week, Jalen

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Speaker 4: Hurts and the Eagles battle Deck Prescott and the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: By the way, is it just me?

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Speaker 1: Or is Matt hassel bad still got his doubts with

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: I know he likes.

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, but here was Matt earlier on if he

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Speaker 1: buys Caleb Williams and the Bears at seven and three.

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Speaker 12: Caleb is a young player learning on the fly, and

577
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Speaker 12: as he's learning, they're winning. He's morphing into Ben Johnson's

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Speaker 12: kind of quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Is he there?

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Speaker 12: No? I don't think he is. He's really not, but

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Speaker 12: they seem to find ways to win. That's what happens

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Speaker 12: with DNA Culture Center type coaches. You set a standard

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Speaker 12: and an expectation for the details and the discipline that

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Speaker 12: are going to happen in your organization every single day.

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Speaker 12: Do I think this is their year without after I

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Speaker 12: say all that, No, they haven't really beat anybody, but

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Speaker 12: the schedule's getting tougher here we'll find out who they

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Speaker 12: really are.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting when you say they haven't beaten anybody,

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Speaker 1: it's so funny because the teams were the best records.

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia doesn't really have an offensive identity. Rams are really

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Speaker 1: really good and a very clean version of the best

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Speaker 1: team in the league. Patriots have an identity but are

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Speaker 1: really young at quarterback. And Denver is uneven but great late.

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Speaker 1: It's been i mean, one of the teams that week

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Speaker 1: in and week out in the last six weeks, there's

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Speaker 1: two teams that just look like the best teams. Rams

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Speaker 1: New England have beaten teams mostly soundly, play clean football,

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Speaker 1: don't make a ton of mistakes.

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Speaker 3: Everybody else.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are variations of why you shouldn't like them.

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Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley's inability to hit on big plays this year.

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Speaker 3: What's Philadelphia's offense? They keep winning?

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Speaker 1: Denver, you don't quite know what you're getting. They're uneven,

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Speaker 1: great late struggle early yesterday they scored in an opening drive.

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Speaker 3: They hadn't done that in two months.

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Speaker 1: So I still think like I still think Seattle is

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Speaker 1: a hand full. I think they're young and kind of

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Speaker 1: reckless and make mistakes and you have giveaways. Would I

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Speaker 1: would I would have no introy. You know the two

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Speaker 1: teams I wouldn't want to play in the playoffs Seattle

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Speaker 1: because they have knockout potential. You could find yourself down

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Speaker 1: twenty one nothing fast against Seattle. They're just going one

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Speaker 1: hundred miles and in the Colts because everybody would say,

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Speaker 1: well it's Daniel Jones. You go in as a favorite

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you end up going to Indy.

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Speaker 1: You know you're Buffalo, you're a wild card team because

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Speaker 1: the Patriots, you know, you look at the NFC playoff

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Speaker 1: picture right now, the team that would just horrify me

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Speaker 1: because if you played the Rams or the Eagles, you

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Speaker 1: would be an underdog, right You'd be like, well, you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't beat them. Everybody thinks you should beat Seattle if

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Speaker 1: you win your division, like like Tampa wins your division

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Speaker 1: and they've got to go play you know, they get

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Speaker 1: to go play Seattle at home, and you think, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're a favorite or at helm yikes. Seattle is a

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Speaker 1: total handful. If you go over to the AAC It's

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Speaker 1: similarly with the Colts.

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Speaker 3: The Cults are going to win their division. They're going

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Speaker 3: to play a home game.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you're the Bills and you go to Indy,

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Speaker 1: everybody in the world thinks you or your Baltimore, You're

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh can go to Indy, right, everybody thinks, well, it's

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: The Seahawks roster and the Colts roster, young, athletic, getting better, ascending,

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Speaker 1: little mistake prone. Daniel Jones can be a little mistake

638
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Speaker 1: prone Sam Darnold. Little mistake prone that keeps you out

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Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl, may keep you out of a

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Speaker 1: conference championship. But I look at the Colts and I

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Speaker 1: look at the Seahawks and no thanks. Those those teams

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Speaker 1: have dudes everywhere and most of the the Seahawks may

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Speaker 1: be a dog in their first you know, they'll go

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Speaker 1: to Tampa and be an underdog and everybody's like, oh, Baker,

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Speaker 1: he's at home.

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Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I would not want to face Seattle at all. And oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, we mentioned this earlier, Uh, Philadelphia, very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Lane Johnson is going to be out for probably a month.

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Speaker 1: It's not season ending, Jalen Hurts without Lane Johnson five

651
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Speaker 1: and nine and a passer rating in the seventies. So

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Speaker 1: you think the Philadelphia offense is struggling to find an

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Speaker 1: identity before the game last night. He's a five time

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Speaker 1: All Pro offensive tackle, arguably best right tackle in the

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Speaker 1: sport in a long time. All right, well, first things first,

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Speaker 1: kind of a rough Sunday for Nick Wright, old friend

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Speaker 1: Nick Wright.

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Speaker 3: Little wobbly, little wobbly on the ropes. Nick right next,