Speaker 1: Alright, Robert, do you want to open it us up
Speaker 1: with something I don't know. Nope, you're opening the opening
Speaker 1: is is that is what you just did? Okay, well
Speaker 1: it's already opened. Welcome to take it happen here the
Speaker 1: podcast about how things things do be crumbling sometimes, including
Speaker 1: our ability to introduce the podcast that it's actually a
Speaker 1: very meta art piece about the Yeah, we started off
Speaker 1: very polished and slowly commentary on I don't know something.
Speaker 1: It's called figure out what. It's a commentary on it.
Speaker 1: It's called metamodernism. It's the post it's post postmodern. Anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? Disinformation and various bullshit today?
Speaker 1: So among the many disinformation vectors online, Joe Rogan's podcast
Speaker 1: is obviously one off, like the largest single single vectors. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I've said this before, but I'll say it again.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a cable news station as influential
Speaker 1: as Joe Rogan, you know, and you could you could
Speaker 1: make commentary on like, oh maybe they have a larger
Speaker 1: viewership in terms of like their actual ability to influence
Speaker 1: large numbers of people. Um, there's certainly no single cable
Speaker 1: news host that comes close to Joe Um, and I
Speaker 1: would argue, probably no network that does. He's extremely influential
Speaker 1: by virtue of the fact that he's Um a meathead
Speaker 1: of people seem to find friendly and engaging, and he
Speaker 1: is very charismatic. He's good at what he does, he's
Speaker 1: good at talking. Yeah. So, multiple times during the past
Speaker 1: three weeks, Rogan has brought on two separate quote unquote
Speaker 1: doctors who have started to pedal something called mass formation psychosis,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a new vector in the anti
Speaker 1: vax kind of argument and like headspace, so like as
Speaker 1: for like the it could happen near portion of the episode,
Speaker 1: This one's pretty simple. Could mass formations like this happen here?
Speaker 1: No way, not this time. We created it, not this time, No,
Speaker 1: not this time. It's totally made up, pure fiction. It's fiction.
Speaker 1: It's fiction. We made it up. We made this one up.
Speaker 1: It's a made up tail. It's a total fabrication. Nope,
Speaker 1: not really ever happened anywhere. I might also argue, no, nope, fiction,
Speaker 1: We've solved the podcast, total fabric This is not a thing,
Speaker 1: total fabrication, made up tail. So yeah, well, but when
Speaker 1: whenever these like cook doctors bring up mass formation psychoses.
Speaker 1: You can actually kind of watch them get close to
Speaker 1: understanding something real, but then they veer off into reactionary nonsense.
Speaker 1: Like most powerful nonsense, there is an element of truth
Speaker 1: that it is uh spinning off of, you know. So
Speaker 1: let let's start off with some of the more kind
Speaker 1: of deranged examples and well then eventually providing at least
Speaker 1: some background onto the whole mastormation psychoa, this this idea,
Speaker 1: and then we'll kind of discuss some of the more
Speaker 1: slightly interesting aspects of this argument that Eurogan seems fond
Speaker 1: of pushing right now. So, the first guy I want
Speaker 1: to talk about is Dr Peter McCole, which is not
Speaker 1: the not the guy that was trending on Twitter last
Speaker 1: week or whatever this was. This is someone else that
Speaker 1: Rogan brought on a few weeks previously, who actually started
Speaker 1: talking about this first. Um So background on McCole. By
Speaker 1: most accounts, he was like a top cardiologist for many years,
Speaker 1: you know. He he shares a similar story to other
Speaker 1: doctors who have become kind of COVID conspiracy celebrities. Former
Speaker 1: friends and co workers say he was a pretty reasonable
Speaker 1: guy and a good doctor, and then COVID he realized
Speaker 1: he could be worth millions of dollars, Yeah, covid head
Speaker 1: that he started to kind of go off the rails,
Speaker 1: and he he initially began to helpin conspiracy theories in
Speaker 1: particular around hydroxy chloro quinn um. And McColl was also
Speaker 1: in the news earlier this year due to I guess uh,
Speaker 1: due to a legal dispute with his former employer, Baylor
Speaker 1: University Health. So, according to a lawsuit, for nearly six
Speaker 1: months after McCall's employment had ended, he continued to use
Speaker 1: his professional titles such as the Vice Chief of Internal
Speaker 1: Medicine at Baylor University, and this represented himself as a
Speaker 1: Baylor employee dozens if not hundreds of times in media
Speaker 1: interviews in which he spread disinformation about the pandemic. So
Speaker 1: the type of misinformation that he talks about, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty basic stuff of vaccines are neither safe nor effective. Um.
Speaker 1: He was a very early hydroxical organ proponent. Um. He
Speaker 1: claims that there's no asymptomatic COVID transmission at all, even
Speaker 1: if you're not vaccinated. Um. And he claims that you
Speaker 1: cannot get COVID twice once you have at once the
Speaker 1: post infection natural immunity is a protective against all future
Speaker 1: COVID disease, which of course work. Yeah. No, everything I
Speaker 1: just said is not true. All of it can individually
Speaker 1: be disproved by the existence of Jayere Bosonaro. Single say that, Chris,
Speaker 1: I'm looking over at my digital picture frame that is
Speaker 1: just loaded with like a dozen photos of JayR bolson
Speaker 1: Yaro in the hospital dying. Um. Yeah, I recommend everyone
Speaker 1: do that. It improves every morning as soon as I
Speaker 1: walk up to my recording studio, I see JayR bolson
Speaker 1: Yaro getting ship sucked out of his nose from a tube,
Speaker 1: and I just feel ready to take on the day.
Speaker 1: It beats coffee. Wow, that's strong words. Um. The other
Speaker 1: big thing and since how since I want to get
Speaker 1: into the mess, uh psychosis bullshit is that he McCall
Speaker 1: also asserts that fifty Americans have died from the vaccine shots.
Speaker 1: This is not true. Um. Looking at like deaths possibly
Speaker 1: associated with it, it is like maybe a thousand or
Speaker 1: two thousand, which sucks. Um. And but like that's that's
Speaker 1: the highest amount because again it's not even a lot
Speaker 1: of these things are not necessarily direct directly causal. Um.
Speaker 1: So It's hard to figure out what is what. But
Speaker 1: if there is a number, it's around the two wish
Speaker 1: thousand range. Uh not um and McCall thinks that, or
Speaker 1: at least promotes that the idea that like the vaccine,
Speaker 1: is a conspiracy theory to suppress hydroxical wor quin and
Speaker 1: therapeutic treatment for COVID. And this conspiracy is organized at
Speaker 1: every level, uh three different regions, corporations, big Pharma, Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and and this is this is the mass formation psychosis
Speaker 1: is that we've believed that both COVID is like a
Speaker 1: big problem and that the vaccine is the solution. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna play a clip hopefully you guys
Speaker 1: can hear this of of McColl talking about mass formation psychosis. Dope,
Speaker 1: we've seen mass psychosis in history before the horrific group
Speaker 1: suicides that have happened with religious culture. We knew a
Speaker 1: Nazi Germany where people in a sense offer their children
Speaker 1: up to eugenics programs and a progressive mass psychosis, and
Speaker 1: they themselves walk into gas chambers and my gas, they
Speaker 1: didn't kick fight, go kicking, screaming. This type of that's
Speaker 1: a mass psychosis. So what Desmond says is it must
Speaker 1: be four conditions met for a mass psychosis. The Firth
Speaker 1: is the population must be isolated. People must be isolated
Speaker 1: for a plot period. Number two, we must have things
Speaker 1: taken away from us that we previously enjoy. Number three,
Speaker 1: there must be constant, free floating anxiety. Anxiety of more
Speaker 1: virus is more disability, more depth, more anxiety. And then
Speaker 1: the last one is that kap Or Number four is
Speaker 1: there must be a single solution offered by an entity
Speaker 1: and authority, the vaccine. The only solution to the pandemic
Speaker 1: is the vaccine. We're in a mass hychosis. And what
Speaker 1: Desmond says is with the vaccine, there is no limit
Speaker 1: to the absurdity that we will see, no limit to
Speaker 1: the absurdy. So this idea of here, take a vaccine,
Speaker 1: Take any vaccine. That's absurd. Vaccines are different. There must
Speaker 1: be a winner, there must be a loser, there must
Speaker 1: be somebody why why would it be any vaccine. It's
Speaker 1: the same with the mask where masks. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what kind of mask, just put it over your face. Absurdity,
Speaker 1: the absurdity of well, I've already had COVID, the CDC says,
Speaker 1: you can't get COVID again. Okay, so listeners at home
Speaker 1: should know so that you understand what this video is
Speaker 1: that the entire time he's talking, there's what appears to
Speaker 1: be the eviscerated corpse of a black woman lying underneath it.
Speaker 1: Like it's terrifying. It's like very like something. I think
Speaker 1: it's like one of the dolls that medical students learned
Speaker 1: how to do autopsies on. It's not a real person,
Speaker 1: but it does look like the corpse of an eviscerated
Speaker 1: woman as he's just like chatting face really does look
Speaker 1: like it took me. I thought it was like I
Speaker 1: couldn't forget what was going on for like yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're the cadaver dolls that they have for trading. Are
Speaker 1: quite good. Um, I kind of want to get one
Speaker 1: for the next time I'm in Texas and want to
Speaker 1: use an HIV lane. But that's the story for another day.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's pretty dumb, especially the notion that
Speaker 1: people were hypnotized into peacefully walking into gas. I just
Speaker 1: need to stay like that's the not not only is
Speaker 1: that like that is objectively untrue to the extent that
Speaker 1: I could provide anyone interested with thousands of pages of
Speaker 1: reading from people who survived concentration camps about how they
Speaker 1: worked and why people walked into them, and a lot
Speaker 1: of it just boils down to the fact that it
Speaker 1: was they were making a very rational choice, which was
Speaker 1: I have no options here. I cannot get out of this,
Speaker 1: but I can at least make sure that my children
Speaker 1: are not panicking in the last seconds before we're killed.
Speaker 1: And a lot of the people the the because a
Speaker 1: lot of the actual like grunt work of key of
Speaker 1: loading humans into the gas chambers was done by other
Speaker 1: inmates who were also not going through psychosis. They were
Speaker 1: given a chance to survive longer by helping to operate
Speaker 1: the camps UM and those people you can read some
Speaker 1: of them did survive UM, and some of them wrote
Speaker 1: about their experiences UM, which is some of the most
Speaker 1: harrowing shit like imaginable for a human being to possibly
Speaker 1: go through. It is all tremendously well documented, and the
Speaker 1: most offensive thing I can imagine is saying that these
Speaker 1: people were somehow is saying Number one, it's incredibly offensive
Speaker 1: to say that they were going through some sort of psychosis,
Speaker 1: and that's why they walked into the chambers and not
Speaker 1: this was the best option available to them, given what
Speaker 1: was going on and what like the situation they had
Speaker 1: been forced into. They did not have other options. Um.
Speaker 1: It was that or get machine gunned to death. Um.
Speaker 1: And maybe you think you would choose a different option. Um.
Speaker 1: But if you're critiquing them or trying to claim that
Speaker 1: like the only reason they would do that what they
Speaker 1: did was that they had lost their minds. Um, I
Speaker 1: will I will hit you in the face with a brick,
Speaker 1: fuck you like that. That that's my answer to that. Actually,
Speaker 1: if you are someone who is interested academically and why
Speaker 1: people did some of the things that they did at
Speaker 1: at the death camps, um, and like why how that
Speaker 1: actually functioned psychologically. It's like a short book. It's this
Speaker 1: way for the gas ladies and gentlemen. And it is
Speaker 1: a quasi fictionalized book by a guy named Taddius Borowski
Speaker 1: who was a survivor of the death camp. So it's
Speaker 1: based on his experiences at Auschwitz and Dachau. UM. And
Speaker 1: he he describes the way in which the world of
Speaker 1: the camps worked and the psychology of the camps worked. Um.
Speaker 1: And he's not and He's not a piece of ship
Speaker 1: grifter asshole. He's a guy who lived through all of this.
Speaker 1: So if you actually care about any of this, just
Speaker 1: read that everything this guy says is wrong, and if
Speaker 1: I had a chance to, I would hit him in
Speaker 1: the face with a brick. Please continue, Garrison. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really sucks because it's not just a combination of medical
Speaker 1: misinformation but also just the most ship sociology um. And
Speaker 1: it creates this a really a really disgusting package of
Speaker 1: of of really bad sociology medical misinformation um. And like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's doing this too, like because he can make a
Speaker 1: profit off of it. So he's saying these things. So
Speaker 1: I know, Um, he mentioned a name, Desmond. Desmond's the
Speaker 1: guy who kind of coined this term. We'll we'll talk
Speaker 1: about more about him at the end, but for now,
Speaker 1: let's go on an ad break and we'll be back
Speaker 1: to talk about Dr Robert Malone, the other other guy
Speaker 1: who's been pushing this nonsense. So I probably will want
Speaker 1: to hit with a brick even more so, honestly, And
Speaker 1: we're back talking now about mass information psychosis and the
Speaker 1: dumb people who are or smart people who are using
Speaker 1: they're they're evil that tough. So yeah, so after after
Speaker 1: McCall went on Rogan's show, it got that that show
Speaker 1: got pretty popular. Um One, one big right wing kind
Speaker 1: of trumpett media personality named Melissa Tate was permanently banned
Speaker 1: from Twitter after posting about the podcast and making the
Speaker 1: following post to her half a million followers, Global bombshell.
Speaker 1: Dr Peter McCall on The Joe Rogan Show says Maderna
Speaker 1: made the code vaccine long before COVID actually hit, and
Speaker 1: that the pandemic was a premeditated and concerted scheme by
Speaker 1: government and medical entities to then force vaccinations as the solution.
Speaker 1: So that's the type of narrative that they're trying to
Speaker 1: foster because the pandemics has been so good for Biden's
Speaker 1: approval ratings, it's really working out great for everybody. Uh
Speaker 1: us U S Senator Ron Johnson also promoted the interview,
Speaker 1: saying Rogan asks excellent questions and McColl provides the answers.
Speaker 1: So yeah. Um So, apparently the mass formation psychosis Doctor
Speaker 1: Guy was enough of a hit that Rogan's team decided
Speaker 1: to very soon after bring on another line, conspiracy doctor
Speaker 1: Dr Robert Malone. So During the last week, Rogan invited
Speaker 1: Malone onto his show. Malone's of of a virologist and
Speaker 1: a immunization doctor who claims credit for inventing the m
Speaker 1: r n A vaccine in a pair of papers from
Speaker 1: the late eighties spoilers, He did not there was on
Speaker 1: the vaccine before him, and work continued after him. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: um yeah, And in eighty nine he published a paper
Speaker 1: um kind of positing maybe mr NA can be binded
Speaker 1: with with other kind of uh proteins. He did not
Speaker 1: really do any work on it besides just saying I
Speaker 1: wonder if this could maybe happen um, And then he
Speaker 1: decided into this dude a bit. Okay, we're people asking
Speaker 1: similar questions and publishing papers at the same time of
Speaker 1: the question and yeah yeah. So Malone actually thought this
Speaker 1: was too hard and abandoned this project very soon and
Speaker 1: then went to work for like the military to develop
Speaker 1: other random like uh. He thought the RNA vaccines were
Speaker 1: too hard, so he went on to develop more stuff
Speaker 1: around DNA vaccines and has been working with like the
Speaker 1: military and various like a big farmer companies fund vaccines
Speaker 1: for a while. More accurately, Dr Carrico and Drew Wiseman
Speaker 1: are two doctors that are widely agreed and acknowledged to
Speaker 1: have put the most development work and actual like like
Speaker 1: actually doing the science to make m m RNA vaccines
Speaker 1: a thing. Um. And the of course development of them
Speaker 1: was due to you know, work of hundreds of researchers. Um.
Speaker 1: So it's it's not you know, one person does not
Speaker 1: invent something like this. It's it's a group of a
Speaker 1: lot of people. But but it makes it for an
Speaker 1: easy title for your viral video. Yeah, and in fact,
Speaker 1: actually um uh, logically, the that's a journalist website reached
Speaker 1: out to Malone and for an article, and Malone replied
Speaker 1: Black stating that he did not actually literally invent the
Speaker 1: uh the vaccine, but instead developed a vaccine technology platform. Um.
Speaker 1: Then he presented logically copies with nine patents, um, none
Speaker 1: of which are the patents for functioning mrn A vaccines
Speaker 1: of course. Um. But but he he claims to have
Speaker 1: patented mr in A technology. I mean he did, it's
Speaker 1: technology that doesn't work and never has and never has worked,
Speaker 1: and the patents are expired. Um. Anyway, I need to
Speaker 1: pat some ship. That just sounds like a real easy
Speaker 1: way to make a good grift. Yeah. So you know,
Speaker 1: as we've seen with my with but because because Malone
Speaker 1: has crafted this you know, narrative that I'm the inventor
Speaker 1: of this thing. You know. Look, just like we've seen
Speaker 1: with my like COVID griff named Doctor's episode behind the Bastards,
Speaker 1: just a little shred of like medical authority can be
Speaker 1: more often transformed with propaganda into something much greater than
Speaker 1: what it is, you know, whether that be claiming to
Speaker 1: be the inventor of the m RNA or you know,
Speaker 1: claiming to be the former Heads scientist adviser. Neither of
Speaker 1: those have to actually be true to work, because propaganda
Speaker 1: makes it true via like repetition. So yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: kind of thing where like dunking on these guys like
Speaker 1: it's important here to correct the record, it doesn't do anything. No,
Speaker 1: the fact that they and nothing that they say is
Speaker 1: true does not matter when it comes to them having
Speaker 1: an influence in the community they have. If you get
Speaker 1: on Rogan, it doesn't like like you've already done the
Speaker 1: thing that you need to do to be able to
Speaker 1: to profit from this. It doesn't matter that you're lying.
Speaker 1: A few months ago, Malone went on to Steve Bannon
Speaker 1: Show to talk about how the vaccines make COVID worse worse. Actually,
Speaker 1: and you know this is this is the quote from
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon. You're hearing it from the individual who invented
Speaker 1: the m R and a vaccine and has dedicated his
Speaker 1: life to vaccines. He's the opposite of an anti vaxer, right.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's that tipularity. So yeah, start starting
Speaker 1: around June one, Malone began to make the rounds, you know, Bannon, Tucker,
Speaker 1: Glenn beck Um and now Joe Rogan. So you know,
Speaker 1: starting in June, he had like less than five thousand
Speaker 1: Twitter followers. Uh and just before his suspension at the
Speaker 1: end of December for spreading misinformation, he had like over
Speaker 1: half million. Um. So yeah, So right after his Twitter
Speaker 1: suspension for lying about COVID and causing you know, misinformation
Speaker 1: to run to to run rampant around a health issue. Um,
Speaker 1: that's when Rogan invited him on. It was right after
Speaker 1: he got suspended from Twitter. And there's been one particular
Speaker 1: clip from the interview that has really caught like the
Speaker 1: far right's attention. Um, you know the tweet that's it's
Speaker 1: it's connected to is captioned on Joe Rogan. Dr Robert
Speaker 1: Malone suggests we are living through a mass formations like coast.
Speaker 1: He explains how and why this could happen and its effects.
Speaker 1: He draws analogy to the nineteen twenties and thirties Germany.
Speaker 1: They had a highly educated population and they went barking mad.
Speaker 1: Um did not. They made a series of logical The
Speaker 1: Nazis did not go mad. They were not crazy, They
Speaker 1: were not out of their mind. They were doing they
Speaker 1: were a large part of what they were doing was
Speaker 1: saying things that they knew were nonsense and lies in
Speaker 1: order to get elected because it riled people up. And
Speaker 1: then a large chunk of their policy was figuring out, well,
Speaker 1: if this is the ship that we've been saying, how
Speaker 1: do we how do we translate that into policy? Again,
Speaker 1: realms have been written on this by credible researchers. The
Speaker 1: people who ran the camps were not insane, although they
Speaker 1: were often deeply depressed in suicidal because it's not good
Speaker 1: to run a death camp. They were all making rational decisions.
Speaker 1: And the people who let it happen, we're letting it
Speaker 1: happen because it was dangerous and scary to interfere in
Speaker 1: any way. They were all making rational decisions. There was
Speaker 1: no insanity responsible for the Holocaust, which is worse like
Speaker 1: in the Party everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What they're like,
Speaker 1: they're they're what they're doing is like they're they're they're
Speaker 1: they're trying to give people a way out right like that.
Speaker 1: You know, this is this is sort of like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's well, the Nazis went insane. All people who follow
Speaker 1: them when and saying it's like no, no, they don't.
Speaker 1: You don't get that way out like you they chose
Speaker 1: to do this. Yeah. The the scariest and most meaningful
Speaker 1: lesson to take from the Holocaust is that you yourself
Speaker 1: could be a part of a Holocaust, even if you
Speaker 1: didn't support the killing, because it's extremely easy to not
Speaker 1: get involved and stop something like that once it reaches
Speaker 1: a certain level, and it's easy for the kind of
Speaker 1: political organizations that can make things like that possible to
Speaker 1: reach a point where they can carry that sort of
Speaker 1: ship out because again, it's scary to fucking fight them. Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's want the clips like a minute long, and I
Speaker 1: think it's worth watching to see both in the context
Speaker 1: of when Rogan decides to interject and when he decides
Speaker 1: not to basically European intellectual inquiry into what the heck
Speaker 1: happened this guy already in the twenties and thirties, you know,
Speaker 1: very intelligent, highly educated population and they went barking mad
Speaker 1: um And how did that happen? Um? The answer is
Speaker 1: mass formation psychosis when you have a society that has
Speaker 1: become decoupled from each other and has free floating anxiety
Speaker 1: in a sense that things don't make sense, we can't
Speaker 1: understand it, and then their attention gets focused by a
Speaker 1: leader or a series of events on one small point.
Speaker 1: Just like hypnosis, they literally become hypnotized and can be
Speaker 1: led anywhere. And one of the aspects of that phenomena
Speaker 1: is the people that they identify as their leaders, the
Speaker 1: ones typically that come in and say, you have this pain,
Speaker 1: and I can solve it for you. I and I alone, okay,
Speaker 1: can fix this problem for you. Okay. Then they will lead.
Speaker 1: They will follow that person through how it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: whether they lie to them or whatever. The data are irrelevant.
Speaker 1: And furthermore, anybody who questioned that narrative is to be
Speaker 1: immediately attacked. They are the other. This is central to
Speaker 1: mass formation psychosis. And this is what has happened. We
Speaker 1: had all those conditions. If you remember back before, everybody
Speaker 1: was complaining the world doesn't make sense, blah blah blah. Um.
Speaker 1: And we're all isolated from each other, We're all on
Speaker 1: our little tools. We're not connected socially anymore except through
Speaker 1: social media. UM. And then this thing happened and everybody
Speaker 1: focused on it. That is how mass formation psychosis happens.
Speaker 1: And that is what's happened here. Horrible, completely wrong um
Speaker 1: in every single way. UM. They the Germans were not
Speaker 1: confused because nothing made sense. They were angry because of
Speaker 1: the terms of the Treaty of Versailles. That were also
Speaker 1: angry because of what they saw as and what like,
Speaker 1: because of a myth that had grown up about why
Speaker 1: they had lost the First World War, which was spread
Speaker 1: by people who were the equivalent in that time of
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. They were scared of the left, of communism,
Speaker 1: of disorder, of riots in the streets. Um. And one.
Speaker 1: When Hitler took power, most Germans did not like him.
Speaker 1: They did not blindly follow him. He gradually gained the
Speaker 1: vast the support of the vast majority of Germany through
Speaker 1: a number of different, very logical things. One thing that
Speaker 1: he did that got him a lot of support was
Speaker 1: he took businesses and homes and money from Jewish people
Speaker 1: and from members of other groups that the Nazis were targeting,
Speaker 1: and he gave it to Arians. There was a direct
Speaker 1: financial interest for a lot of people who got in
Speaker 1: line behind the Nazis, and he established a series of
Speaker 1: programs like the Strength through Joy program that really did
Speaker 1: benefit in a way that they had not known before
Speaker 1: the German working class. Um. And a lot of this
Speaker 1: was again subsidized through the appropriations of things that had
Speaker 1: been owned by people that the Nazis were targeting. People
Speaker 1: fell in line behind Hitler for logical reasons. He did
Speaker 1: not reach the highest point of his support from the
Speaker 1: German populace until the taking of Paris, which obviously that
Speaker 1: was something that a lot of Germans supported. They had
Speaker 1: spent four years failing to take the city in World
Speaker 1: War One. UM. Anyway, sorry, it's all nonsense, it's all lies.
Speaker 1: I think. The reason why this is latching on so
Speaker 1: much to people on the right, like people on the
Speaker 1: right who who don't consider themselves fascists, who who think
Speaker 1: who would say Nazis are bad right there. They still
Speaker 1: are latching onto this because it provides a way for
Speaker 1: them to not understand how fascism actually works. Right. It
Speaker 1: provides an alternative explanation that makes them not have to
Speaker 1: actually think about what fascism is. Um. And that's why
Speaker 1: they're latching onto it. And it also is already it's
Speaker 1: already a part of the conspiracies they have around vaccines
Speaker 1: and power structures. So because because it's the conspiratorial basis,
Speaker 1: instead of like thinking about power structures from like an
Speaker 1: anarchist or like like higher archy lens, it reinforces the
Speaker 1: world views they have and makes them not have to
Speaker 1: interrogate the ones that they don't want to. UM it sucks.
Speaker 1: Malone's substack goes into more of this and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's pretty bad. There's a this is a few quotes
Speaker 1: that I think really kind of tied this together, and
Speaker 1: then he has some horrible statistics. Um. He says, as
Speaker 1: many of you know, I've spent time researching and speaking
Speaker 1: about mass psychosis theory. Most of what I've learned is
Speaker 1: come from Dr Desmond. Dr Desmond is like the guy
Speaker 1: who pointed this term UM and uh Malone, writes Desmond
Speaker 1: realized that this form of mass hypnosis, the madness of crowds,
Speaker 1: can account for the strange phenomenon of about of the
Speaker 1: population in the Western world becoming entrenched with the noble
Speaker 1: lies and dominant narrative concerning the safety and effectiveness of
Speaker 1: the genetic vaccines, and both propagated and enforced by politicians,
Speaker 1: science bureaucrats, pharmaceutical companies, and legacy media. Of course, the
Speaker 1: obvious examples of masformation is Germany in the thirties and forties.
Speaker 1: How could the German people, who are highly educated, very
Speaker 1: liberal in the classic sense, Western thinking people, how could
Speaker 1: they go crazy and do what they did to the Jews?
Speaker 1: How could this happen to a civilized people. A leader
Speaker 1: of a mass formation movement will use the platform to
Speaker 1: continue to pump the group of information to focus on.
Speaker 1: In the case of COVID nineteen, I like to use
Speaker 1: the term fear porn. Leaders through mainstream media and government
Speaker 1: channel and government channels continuously feed the beast with more
Speaker 1: messaging that further hypnotize their adherents. Studies suggest that mass
Speaker 1: formation follows a general distribution people are brainwashed and hypnotized
Speaker 1: fully doctor in the group narrative in the middle are
Speaker 1: persuaded and may follow if know where the alternatives perceived,
Speaker 1: And thirty percent will fight the narrative. Those who rebel
Speaker 1: and fight against the narrative become the enemy of the
Speaker 1: brainwashed and the primary target of aggression. So that's the
Speaker 1: way he thinks. That is how which is really it's
Speaker 1: really subject like in terms of how he's building a
Speaker 1: narrative in his head and specifically building a narrative for
Speaker 1: other people's heads to to view. Why do I feel
Speaker 1: distrustful of certain pieces of power but love other pieces
Speaker 1: of power? Yeah, And it's again like this idea that
Speaker 1: like well, Germany was liberals there, Germany had an enormous
Speaker 1: right wing movement, Like it was a hugely conservative country
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. It would also had a
Speaker 1: lot of leftist organizing and a lot of leftists in it,
Speaker 1: especially after World War One, But like the Fry Corps ship,
Speaker 1: there were these massive millions strong right wing armed street
Speaker 1: movements that existed for the entirety of the Weimar Republic.
Speaker 1: Like it's again everything he says is wrong. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: again it's like the notion that like are fully burnwashed,
Speaker 1: are in the middle and persuadable fight the narrative. It's
Speaker 1: like these these people who are upset, these like these
Speaker 1: specifically conservatives, were obsessed about thinking like I would have
Speaker 1: fought the Nazis. And because they don't understand how fashions
Speaker 1: and works and powerdynamics, they don't understand how how they're
Speaker 1: actually getting pulled into the same thing. But they still
Speaker 1: view themselves as the rebel right. They there's right, yeah,
Speaker 1: like they're still focused on being yeah's absolutely like they're
Speaker 1: still focused on being the rebel and like we're rebelling
Speaker 1: against the vaccine that that is just like rebelling against
Speaker 1: the Nazis. And you're like, what, um, so I just
Speaker 1: want to say about those numbers, if they're too completely
Speaker 1: made up? Yeah, yeah, when when people start throwing even
Speaker 1: numbers statistic exactly like that, it's because they're lying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's because yeah, yeah, absolutely not. Yeah, that's that's complete nonsense.
Speaker 1: For one. Yeah, it's so so I get because now,
Speaker 1: the other thing that happened around this interview, because it
Speaker 1: didn't give a lot of traction among the right, is
Speaker 1: that whenever these things gain traction, they also developed conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories that people are trying to suppress it. Like look
Speaker 1: at the Google algorithm when you type in certain keywords
Speaker 1: like I know that. The day this was trending, it
Speaker 1: was like if you google dr malone, the usually like
Speaker 1: the sixth result, the first one is this YouTube video
Speaker 1: at de Bunky and like I did this, and like no,
Speaker 1: the first result was the obviously viral video of him
Speaker 1: saying the thing, Like they just they can take one
Speaker 1: screenshot that maybe someone made or maybe because of one
Speaker 1: person's computer algorithm that's what gave them and use this
Speaker 1: as like evidence that this is the entire system of
Speaker 1: the Internet suppressing the thing, Like no, the Internet wants
Speaker 1: things to go viral. Now, there's certain things where they
Speaker 1: like trying to shut down the spread of dangerous stuff,
Speaker 1: but this got very viral. This was not contained in
Speaker 1: any way. But because of this notion like they're trying
Speaker 1: to hide it, you know, it plays into their them
Speaker 1: thinking they're like they're them thinking that they are the
Speaker 1: rebels or something. And there's also a very practical reason
Speaker 1: why the people who particularly know that they're lying do this,
Speaker 1: and it's because all of their success is based on
Speaker 1: a foundation of the way in which YouTube and Facebook
Speaker 1: and Twitter algorithmically amplified them and their predecessors. And they
Speaker 1: know that creating controversy over the fact that are being suppressed,
Speaker 1: um leads to more content that Jin's that basically algorithmically
Speaker 1: spreads their stuff more because more people are talking about it,
Speaker 1: because other people's channels start debating it, because idiots on
Speaker 1: the left are like, well, we should at least have
Speaker 1: them on platform them because we're anti censorship too, so
Speaker 1: let's debate them. And like all of this stupid ship
Speaker 1: feeds into spreading their stuff. It's a very intelligent strategy. Um,
Speaker 1: I hate it, but just in just in terms of
Speaker 1: how ridiculous it is. I know. A few days ago,
Speaker 1: a Congressman Troy Nells said that I submitted the transcript
Speaker 1: from the Joe Rogan Experience podcast episode with Dr Malone
Speaker 1: to the Congressional Record. Big tech wants to restrict your access,
Speaker 1: your access to information, but they cannot censor. The Congressional
Speaker 1: Record not big tech is the entire reason why you
Speaker 1: know about these people. Yeah, entirely. So if it were
Speaker 1: not for big tech, Joe Rogan would be narrating videos
Speaker 1: of robots fighting. So Jack Sybiak got real into the
Speaker 1: because he loves anything that goes viral. For big tech,
Speaker 1: Jack Piso Bik would have died in a ditch of
Speaker 1: an oxy content overdose, so he got real into it.
Speaker 1: He changed his like he changed his Twitter name to
Speaker 1: Jack mass Formation psychosis, psychosa Beck or some bullshit like that.
Speaker 1: Stupid and it was. It was tweeting about a NonStop
Speaker 1: for a week and like like a kid learning about
Speaker 1: a new topic because of synchronicity' he's gonna like projected
Speaker 1: onto everything he sees. Now he's like this this new
Speaker 1: all encompassing topic that makes you avoid what fashions them
Speaker 1: actually is and then point out at the things you
Speaker 1: don't like. So of course he's gonna apply to everything
Speaker 1: he He made a tweet right before January six, um
Speaker 1: as the anniversary of the Capitol intermpted ku thing. Regime
Speaker 1: Media has launched a propaganda push against Ashley Babbitt today
Speaker 1: to psychologically prep their flock for the upcoming mass formation
Speaker 1: event planned for January six this week. This this is
Speaker 1: called priming and it's a text book mass formation theory tactic.
Speaker 1: Wait till you see what comes next, And it is
Speaker 1: the sixth today has anything what happened? Not goddamn thing
Speaker 1: they got fucking lin Manuel Morenda does sing song that's
Speaker 1: gone from Miranda? Did you see that that wasn't He
Speaker 1: might have said something in the beginning that was due,
Speaker 1: but the performance has been played before on other things. Well,
Speaker 1: and I am you know what, if we're taught trying
Speaker 1: to reach across the aisle, I am willing to admit
Speaker 1: that the popularity of lin Manuel Miranda might be a
Speaker 1: mass formation psychosis. Absolutely, the popularity of Hamilton's is a
Speaker 1: mast formation psychus. Absolutely, we're just being assholes. But like, like
Speaker 1: like seriously like it again, but it doesn't it does.
Speaker 1: The fuck is when it when it comes to again
Speaker 1: like the fact that he said there's gonna be this
Speaker 1: whatever psyche mass formation psychosis event on the anniversary of
Speaker 1: January six then it's going to be huge watch for it.
Speaker 1: And nothing happens, doesn't matter, never matters, will never matter,
Speaker 1: um because again, like it's it's I think one of
Speaker 1: the issues that we have here is the degree to
Speaker 1: which brain brainwashing and hypnosis and stuff are talked about
Speaker 1: within kind of discussions of a cultic milieu when they're
Speaker 1: not really a factor not a factor in cults, not
Speaker 1: nearly as much as you think. Yeah, and not in
Speaker 1: the way that you think. There's things that like you
Speaker 1: could call brainwashing, but the the and you could even
Speaker 1: maybe call hypnosis, although that's a lot murkier, is a
Speaker 1: very technical thing. Yeah, But but the what actually like
Speaker 1: the stuff that's actually happens. Again, it's always much more
Speaker 1: logical and rational if you can just inhabit the mental
Speaker 1: space of the people who are in those communities because
Speaker 1: of what they're primed to believe first, and because of
Speaker 1: what is happening socially, because of the degree to which
Speaker 1: they isolate themselves from people who are outside of that bubble. Like,
Speaker 1: that's why you it's so hard to get them out.
Speaker 1: It's not that like magically their brains have been taken over.
Speaker 1: It's that they have pretty methodically been put into a
Speaker 1: position where rejecting what is being told to them within
Speaker 1: this context is immensely more painful, um than just continuing
Speaker 1: to believe things that are not true. Um. And there
Speaker 1: are more consequences for it, you know. Um, you lose
Speaker 1: a support network, you lose a great deal of of
Speaker 1: of your own opinion of yourself and your self worth
Speaker 1: if you start to reject this stuff. Um. And once
Speaker 1: you can trap people in that, it's the same way
Speaker 1: that scientology works. Once you can trap people in that. Um,
Speaker 1: it's the evidence of their eyes and the fact that
Speaker 1: like they're obviously being lied to and the things that
Speaker 1: they're being told about don't come to pass. It's this.
Speaker 1: It's the reason why you have a bunch of apocalyptic
Speaker 1: cults who say the days the world's going to end
Speaker 1: on this day and time that day and time comes,
Speaker 1: the world doesn't end, and the cult goes on. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty it's pretty ridiculou us. This this whole thing
Speaker 1: was started by this professor of clinical psychology at at
Speaker 1: a university in Belgium, Matthias Desmot. He seems to have
Speaker 1: a pretty bad understanding of history and actual like power
Speaker 1: structures and does not know the least bit about fascism. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's trying to craft this thing to fill in
Speaker 1: the gaps in his own knowledge and applies it to everything.
Speaker 1: And I've read some of his stuff. It's it's nonsense. Um.
Speaker 1: Again that just like the doctors who talked about it,
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, he's using this also is a way
Speaker 1: to explain how COVID is not real and how the
Speaker 1: vaccine is a is a ploy to do bad thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's all ridiculous, it's irresponsible, um, and they're using
Speaker 1: it as a tactic and hopefully it's just gonna blow over.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure it'll pop up everyone every once in
Speaker 1: a while again, just like it popped up, you know,
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. But that's that's really all. I all.
Speaker 1: I want to get into it. I I could say more,
Speaker 1: but I think we have said enough. I think that's
Speaker 1: said enough. Um all right, well fuck itt, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's all I've got. UM Read This Way for the
Speaker 1: Gas Ladies and Gentlemen by Thaddius Borowski. Um. It will.
Speaker 1: It will have a major impact on the way you
Speaker 1: see the entire world if you if you actually read it. Um,
Speaker 1: there's some incredible pieces in there. One of one of
Speaker 1: the things that the Taddius points out is that like
Speaker 1: people only ever have like one kind of language for
Speaker 1: for talking about like the things that they feel, where
Speaker 1: whether it's something they they kind of vaguely care about
Speaker 1: or something they care about enough to murder over. And
Speaker 1: so when people engage in acts of like horrific violence
Speaker 1: on a mass scale. They often do it looking and
Speaker 1: acting like they would if they were irritated at somebody
Speaker 1: in traffic. Um. And it's the most un rattling thing
Speaker 1: about being the victim of a genocide that you don't
Speaker 1: see the kind of hate and the kind of rage
Speaker 1: and the kind of like what you would expect someone
Speaker 1: would need to be amped up to. It's more of
Speaker 1: like you see, more like kind of boredom and and
Speaker 1: irritation and all that stuff. Like it's not anyway read
Speaker 1: read read Daddy Sparowski. Um, he's I desperately wish Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan would just sit and narrate this book on his show,
Speaker 1: because I do actually a service to the world. Anyway. Um,
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