1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Alright, Robert, do you want to open it us up 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: with something I don't know. Nope, you're opening the opening 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: is is that is what you just did? Okay, well 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: it's already opened. Welcome to take it happen here the 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: podcast about how things things do be crumbling sometimes, including 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: our ability to introduce the podcast that it's actually a 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: very meta art piece about the Yeah, we started off 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: very polished and slowly commentary on I don't know something. 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: It's called figure out what. It's a commentary on it. 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: It's called metamodernism. It's the post it's post postmodern. Anyway, Um, 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: what are we talking about? Disinformation and various bullshit today? 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: So among the many disinformation vectors online, Joe Rogan's podcast 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: is obviously one off, like the largest single single vectors. Yeah. 14 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: I mean I've said this before, but I'll say it again. 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a cable news station as influential 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: as Joe Rogan, you know, and you could you could 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: make commentary on like, oh maybe they have a larger 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: viewership in terms of like their actual ability to influence 19 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: large numbers of people. Um, there's certainly no single cable 20 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: news host that comes close to Joe Um, and I 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: would argue, probably no network that does. He's extremely influential 22 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: by virtue of the fact that he's Um a meathead 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: of people seem to find friendly and engaging, and he 24 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: is very charismatic. He's good at what he does, he's 25 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: good at talking. Yeah. So, multiple times during the past 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: three weeks, Rogan has brought on two separate quote unquote 27 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: doctors who have started to pedal something called mass formation psychosis, 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: which is kind of a new vector in the anti 29 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: vax kind of argument and like headspace, so like as 30 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: for like the it could happen near portion of the episode, 31 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: This one's pretty simple. Could mass formations like this happen here? 32 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: No way, not this time. We created it, not this time, No, 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: not this time. It's totally made up, pure fiction. It's fiction. 34 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: It's fiction. We made it up. We made this one up. 35 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: It's a made up tail. It's a total fabrication. Nope, 36 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: not really ever happened anywhere. I might also argue, no, nope, fiction, 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: We've solved the podcast, total fabric This is not a thing, 38 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: total fabrication, made up tail. So yeah, well, but when 39 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: whenever these like cook doctors bring up mass formation psychoses. 40 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: You can actually kind of watch them get close to 41 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: understanding something real, but then they veer off into reactionary nonsense. 42 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: Like most powerful nonsense, there is an element of truth 43 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: that it is uh spinning off of, you know. So 44 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: let let's start off with some of the more kind 45 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: of deranged examples and well then eventually providing at least 46 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: some background onto the whole mastormation psychoa, this this idea, 47 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: and then we'll kind of discuss some of the more 48 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: slightly interesting aspects of this argument that Eurogan seems fond 49 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: of pushing right now. So, the first guy I want 50 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: to talk about is Dr Peter McCole, which is not 51 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: the not the guy that was trending on Twitter last 52 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: week or whatever this was. This is someone else that 53 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: Rogan brought on a few weeks previously, who actually started 54 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: talking about this first. Um So background on McCole. By 55 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: most accounts, he was like a top cardiologist for many years, 56 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: you know. He he shares a similar story to other 57 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: doctors who have become kind of COVID conspiracy celebrities. Former 58 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: friends and co workers say he was a pretty reasonable 59 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: guy and a good doctor, and then COVID he realized 60 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: he could be worth millions of dollars, Yeah, covid head 61 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: that he started to kind of go off the rails, 62 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: and he he initially began to helpin conspiracy theories in 63 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: particular around hydroxy chloro quinn um. And McColl was also 64 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: in the news earlier this year due to I guess uh, 65 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: due to a legal dispute with his former employer, Baylor 66 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: University Health. So, according to a lawsuit, for nearly six 67 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: months after McCall's employment had ended, he continued to use 68 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: his professional titles such as the Vice Chief of Internal 69 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Medicine at Baylor University, and this represented himself as a 70 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: Baylor employee dozens if not hundreds of times in media 71 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: interviews in which he spread disinformation about the pandemic. So 72 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: the type of misinformation that he talks about, you know, 73 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: pretty basic stuff of vaccines are neither safe nor effective. Um. 74 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: He was a very early hydroxical organ proponent. Um. He 75 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: claims that there's no asymptomatic COVID transmission at all, even 76 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: if you're not vaccinated. Um. And he claims that you 77 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: cannot get COVID twice once you have at once the 78 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: post infection natural immunity is a protective against all future 79 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: COVID disease, which of course work. Yeah. No, everything I 80 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: just said is not true. All of it can individually 81 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: be disproved by the existence of Jayere Bosonaro. Single say that, Chris, 82 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking over at my digital picture frame that is 83 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: just loaded with like a dozen photos of JayR bolson 84 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: Yaro in the hospital dying. Um. Yeah, I recommend everyone 85 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: do that. It improves every morning as soon as I 86 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: walk up to my recording studio, I see JayR bolson 87 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: Yaro getting ship sucked out of his nose from a tube, 88 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: and I just feel ready to take on the day. 89 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: It beats coffee. Wow, that's strong words. Um. The other 90 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: big thing and since how since I want to get 91 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: into the mess, uh psychosis bullshit is that he McCall 92 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: also asserts that fifty Americans have died from the vaccine shots. 93 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: This is not true. Um. Looking at like deaths possibly 94 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: associated with it, it is like maybe a thousand or 95 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: two thousand, which sucks. Um. And but like that's that's 96 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: the highest amount because again it's not even a lot 97 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,119 Speaker 1: of these things are not necessarily direct directly causal. Um. 98 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: So It's hard to figure out what is what. But 99 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: if there is a number, it's around the two wish 100 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: thousand range. Uh not um and McCall thinks that, or 101 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: at least promotes that the idea that like the vaccine, 102 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: is a conspiracy theory to suppress hydroxical wor quin and 103 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: therapeutic treatment for COVID. And this conspiracy is organized at 104 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: every level, uh three different regions, corporations, big Pharma, Hollywood, 105 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: and and this is this is the mass formation psychosis 106 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: is that we've believed that both COVID is like a 107 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: big problem and that the vaccine is the solution. So 108 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna play a clip hopefully you guys 109 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: can hear this of of McColl talking about mass formation psychosis. Dope, 110 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: we've seen mass psychosis in history before the horrific group 111 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: suicides that have happened with religious culture. We knew a 112 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: Nazi Germany where people in a sense offer their children 113 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: up to eugenics programs and a progressive mass psychosis, and 114 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: they themselves walk into gas chambers and my gas, they 115 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: didn't kick fight, go kicking, screaming. This type of that's 116 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: a mass psychosis. So what Desmond says is it must 117 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: be four conditions met for a mass psychosis. The Firth 118 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: is the population must be isolated. People must be isolated 119 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: for a plot period. Number two, we must have things 120 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: taken away from us that we previously enjoy. Number three, 121 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: there must be constant, free floating anxiety. Anxiety of more 122 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: virus is more disability, more depth, more anxiety. And then 123 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: the last one is that kap Or Number four is 124 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: there must be a single solution offered by an entity 125 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: and authority, the vaccine. The only solution to the pandemic 126 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: is the vaccine. We're in a mass hychosis. And what 127 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: Desmond says is with the vaccine, there is no limit 128 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: to the absurdity that we will see, no limit to 129 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: the absurdy. So this idea of here, take a vaccine, 130 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: Take any vaccine. That's absurd. Vaccines are different. There must 131 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: be a winner, there must be a loser, there must 132 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: be somebody why why would it be any vaccine. It's 133 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: the same with the mask where masks. It doesn't matter 134 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: what kind of mask, just put it over your face. Absurdity, 135 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: the absurdity of well, I've already had COVID, the CDC says, 136 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: you can't get COVID again. Okay, so listeners at home 137 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: should know so that you understand what this video is 138 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: that the entire time he's talking, there's what appears to 139 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: be the eviscerated corpse of a black woman lying underneath it. 140 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: Like it's terrifying. It's like very like something. I think 141 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: it's like one of the dolls that medical students learned 142 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: how to do autopsies on. It's not a real person, 143 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: but it does look like the corpse of an eviscerated 144 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: woman as he's just like chatting face really does look 145 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 1: like it took me. I thought it was like I 146 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: couldn't forget what was going on for like yeah, I mean, yeah, 147 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: they're the cadaver dolls that they have for trading. Are 148 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: quite good. Um, I kind of want to get one 149 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: for the next time I'm in Texas and want to 150 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: use an HIV lane. But that's the story for another day. 151 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's pretty dumb, especially the notion that 152 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: people were hypnotized into peacefully walking into gas. I just 153 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: need to stay like that's the not not only is 154 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: that like that is objectively untrue to the extent that 155 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: I could provide anyone interested with thousands of pages of 156 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: reading from people who survived concentration camps about how they 157 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: worked and why people walked into them, and a lot 158 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: of it just boils down to the fact that it 159 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: was they were making a very rational choice, which was 160 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: I have no options here. I cannot get out of this, 161 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: but I can at least make sure that my children 162 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: are not panicking in the last seconds before we're killed. 163 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 1: And a lot of the people the the because a 164 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: lot of the actual like grunt work of key of 165 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: loading humans into the gas chambers was done by other 166 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: inmates who were also not going through psychosis. They were 167 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: given a chance to survive longer by helping to operate 168 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: the camps UM and those people you can read some 169 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: of them did survive UM, and some of them wrote 170 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: about their experiences UM, which is some of the most 171 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: harrowing shit like imaginable for a human being to possibly 172 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: go through. It is all tremendously well documented, and the 173 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: most offensive thing I can imagine is saying that these 174 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: people were somehow is saying Number one, it's incredibly offensive 175 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: to say that they were going through some sort of psychosis, 176 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: and that's why they walked into the chambers and not 177 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: this was the best option available to them, given what 178 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: was going on and what like the situation they had 179 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: been forced into. They did not have other options. Um. 180 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: It was that or get machine gunned to death. Um. 181 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: And maybe you think you would choose a different option. Um. 182 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: But if you're critiquing them or trying to claim that 183 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: like the only reason they would do that what they 184 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: did was that they had lost their minds. Um, I 185 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: will I will hit you in the face with a brick, 186 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: fuck you like that. That that's my answer to that. Actually, 187 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: if you are someone who is interested academically and why 188 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: people did some of the things that they did at 189 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: at the death camps, um, and like why how that 190 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: actually functioned psychologically. It's like a short book. It's this 191 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: way for the gas ladies and gentlemen. And it is 192 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: a quasi fictionalized book by a guy named Taddius Borowski 193 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: who was a survivor of the death camp. So it's 194 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: based on his experiences at Auschwitz and Dachau. UM. And 195 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: he he describes the way in which the world of 196 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: the camps worked and the psychology of the camps worked. Um. 197 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: And he's not and He's not a piece of ship 198 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: grifter asshole. He's a guy who lived through all of this. 199 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: So if you actually care about any of this, just 200 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: read that everything this guy says is wrong, and if 201 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: I had a chance to, I would hit him in 202 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: the face with a brick. Please continue, Garrison. Yeah, it 203 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: really sucks because it's not just a combination of medical 204 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: misinformation but also just the most ship sociology um. And 205 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: it creates this a really a really disgusting package of 206 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: of of really bad sociology medical misinformation um. And like, yeah, 207 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: he's doing this too, like because he can make a 208 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: profit off of it. So he's saying these things. So 209 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: I know, Um, he mentioned a name, Desmond. Desmond's the 210 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: guy who kind of coined this term. We'll we'll talk 211 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: about more about him at the end, but for now, 212 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: let's go on an ad break and we'll be back 213 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: to talk about Dr Robert Malone, the other other guy 214 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: who's been pushing this nonsense. So I probably will want 215 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: to hit with a brick even more so, honestly, And 216 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: we're back talking now about mass information psychosis and the 217 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: dumb people who are or smart people who are using 218 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: they're they're evil that tough. So yeah, so after after 219 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: McCall went on Rogan's show, it got that that show 220 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: got pretty popular. Um One, one big right wing kind 221 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: of trumpett media personality named Melissa Tate was permanently banned 222 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: from Twitter after posting about the podcast and making the 223 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: following post to her half a million followers, Global bombshell. 224 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: Dr Peter McCall on The Joe Rogan Show says Maderna 225 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: made the code vaccine long before COVID actually hit, and 226 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: that the pandemic was a premeditated and concerted scheme by 227 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: government and medical entities to then force vaccinations as the solution. 228 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: So that's the type of narrative that they're trying to 229 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: foster because the pandemics has been so good for Biden's 230 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: approval ratings, it's really working out great for everybody. Uh 231 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: us U S Senator Ron Johnson also promoted the interview, 232 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: saying Rogan asks excellent questions and McColl provides the answers. 233 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: So yeah. Um So, apparently the mass formation psychosis Doctor 234 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: Guy was enough of a hit that Rogan's team decided 235 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: to very soon after bring on another line, conspiracy doctor 236 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: Dr Robert Malone. So During the last week, Rogan invited 237 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: Malone onto his show. Malone's of of a virologist and 238 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: a immunization doctor who claims credit for inventing the m 239 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: r n A vaccine in a pair of papers from 240 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: the late eighties spoilers, He did not there was on 241 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: the vaccine before him, and work continued after him. Yeah yeah, 242 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: um yeah, And in eighty nine he published a paper 243 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: um kind of positing maybe mr NA can be binded 244 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: with with other kind of uh proteins. He did not 245 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: really do any work on it besides just saying I 246 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: wonder if this could maybe happen um, And then he 247 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: decided into this dude a bit. Okay, we're people asking 248 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: similar questions and publishing papers at the same time of 249 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: the question and yeah yeah. So Malone actually thought this 250 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: was too hard and abandoned this project very soon and 251 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: then went to work for like the military to develop 252 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: other random like uh. He thought the RNA vaccines were 253 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: too hard, so he went on to develop more stuff 254 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: around DNA vaccines and has been working with like the 255 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: military and various like a big farmer companies fund vaccines 256 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: for a while. More accurately, Dr Carrico and Drew Wiseman 257 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: are two doctors that are widely agreed and acknowledged to 258 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: have put the most development work and actual like like 259 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: actually doing the science to make m m RNA vaccines 260 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: a thing. Um. And the of course development of them 261 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: was due to you know, work of hundreds of researchers. Um. 262 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: So it's it's not you know, one person does not 263 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: invent something like this. It's it's a group of a 264 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: lot of people. But but it makes it for an 265 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: easy title for your viral video. Yeah, and in fact, 266 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: actually um uh, logically, the that's a journalist website reached 267 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: out to Malone and for an article, and Malone replied 268 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: Black stating that he did not actually literally invent the 269 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: uh the vaccine, but instead developed a vaccine technology platform. Um. 270 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: Then he presented logically copies with nine patents, um, none 271 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: of which are the patents for functioning mrn A vaccines 272 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: of course. Um. But but he he claims to have 273 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: patented mr in A technology. I mean he did, it's 274 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: technology that doesn't work and never has and never has worked, 275 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: and the patents are expired. Um. Anyway, I need to 276 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: pat some ship. That just sounds like a real easy 277 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: way to make a good grift. Yeah. So you know, 278 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: as we've seen with my with but because because Malone 279 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: has crafted this you know, narrative that I'm the inventor 280 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: of this thing. You know. Look, just like we've seen 281 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: with my like COVID griff named Doctor's episode behind the Bastards, 282 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: just a little shred of like medical authority can be 283 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: more often transformed with propaganda into something much greater than 284 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: what it is, you know, whether that be claiming to 285 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: be the inventor of the m RNA or you know, 286 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: claiming to be the former Heads scientist adviser. Neither of 287 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: those have to actually be true to work, because propaganda 288 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: makes it true via like repetition. So yeah, it's the 289 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: kind of thing where like dunking on these guys like 290 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: it's important here to correct the record, it doesn't do anything. No, 291 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: the fact that they and nothing that they say is 292 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: true does not matter when it comes to them having 293 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: an influence in the community they have. If you get 294 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: on Rogan, it doesn't like like you've already done the 295 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: thing that you need to do to be able to 296 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: to profit from this. It doesn't matter that you're lying. 297 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: A few months ago, Malone went on to Steve Bannon 298 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: Show to talk about how the vaccines make COVID worse worse. Actually, 299 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: and you know this is this is the quote from 300 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon. You're hearing it from the individual who invented 301 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: the m R and a vaccine and has dedicated his 302 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: life to vaccines. He's the opposite of an anti vaxer, right. 303 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: So it's it's it's that tipularity. So yeah, start starting 304 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: around June one, Malone began to make the rounds, you know, Bannon, Tucker, 305 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: Glenn beck Um and now Joe Rogan. So you know, 306 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: starting in June, he had like less than five thousand 307 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: Twitter followers. Uh and just before his suspension at the 308 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: end of December for spreading misinformation, he had like over 309 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: half million. Um. So yeah, So right after his Twitter 310 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: suspension for lying about COVID and causing you know, misinformation 311 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: to run to to run rampant around a health issue. Um, 312 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: that's when Rogan invited him on. It was right after 313 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: he got suspended from Twitter. And there's been one particular 314 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: clip from the interview that has really caught like the 315 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: far right's attention. Um, you know the tweet that's it's 316 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: it's connected to is captioned on Joe Rogan. Dr Robert 317 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: Malone suggests we are living through a mass formations like coast. 318 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: He explains how and why this could happen and its effects. 319 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: He draws analogy to the nineteen twenties and thirties Germany. 320 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: They had a highly educated population and they went barking mad. 321 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: Um did not. They made a series of logical The 322 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: Nazis did not go mad. They were not crazy, They 323 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: were not out of their mind. They were doing they 324 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: were a large part of what they were doing was 325 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: saying things that they knew were nonsense and lies in 326 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: order to get elected because it riled people up. And 327 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: then a large chunk of their policy was figuring out, well, 328 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: if this is the ship that we've been saying, how 329 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: do we how do we translate that into policy? Again, 330 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: realms have been written on this by credible researchers. The 331 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: people who ran the camps were not insane, although they 332 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: were often deeply depressed in suicidal because it's not good 333 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: to run a death camp. They were all making rational decisions. 334 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: And the people who let it happen, we're letting it 335 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: happen because it was dangerous and scary to interfere in 336 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: any way. They were all making rational decisions. There was 337 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: no insanity responsible for the Holocaust, which is worse like 338 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: in the Party everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What they're like, 339 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: they're they're what they're doing is like they're they're they're 340 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: they're trying to give people a way out right like that. 341 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: You know, this is this is sort of like, oh, 342 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: it's well, the Nazis went insane. All people who follow 343 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: them when and saying it's like no, no, they don't. 344 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: You don't get that way out like you they chose 345 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: to do this. Yeah. The the scariest and most meaningful 346 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: lesson to take from the Holocaust is that you yourself 347 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: could be a part of a Holocaust, even if you 348 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: didn't support the killing, because it's extremely easy to not 349 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: get involved and stop something like that once it reaches 350 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: a certain level, and it's easy for the kind of 351 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: political organizations that can make things like that possible to 352 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: reach a point where they can carry that sort of 353 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: ship out because again, it's scary to fucking fight them. Uh. 354 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: Let's want the clips like a minute long, and I 355 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: think it's worth watching to see both in the context 356 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: of when Rogan decides to interject and when he decides 357 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: not to basically European intellectual inquiry into what the heck 358 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: happened this guy already in the twenties and thirties, you know, 359 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: very intelligent, highly educated population and they went barking mad 360 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: um And how did that happen? Um? The answer is 361 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: mass formation psychosis when you have a society that has 362 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: become decoupled from each other and has free floating anxiety 363 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: in a sense that things don't make sense, we can't 364 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: understand it, and then their attention gets focused by a 365 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: leader or a series of events on one small point. 366 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: Just like hypnosis, they literally become hypnotized and can be 367 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: led anywhere. And one of the aspects of that phenomena 368 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: is the people that they identify as their leaders, the 369 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: ones typically that come in and say, you have this pain, 370 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: and I can solve it for you. I and I alone, okay, 371 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: can fix this problem for you. Okay. Then they will lead. 372 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: They will follow that person through how it doesn't matter 373 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: whether they lie to them or whatever. The data are irrelevant. 374 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: And furthermore, anybody who questioned that narrative is to be 375 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: immediately attacked. They are the other. This is central to 376 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: mass formation psychosis. And this is what has happened. We 377 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: had all those conditions. If you remember back before, everybody 378 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: was complaining the world doesn't make sense, blah blah blah. Um. 379 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: And we're all isolated from each other, We're all on 380 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: our little tools. We're not connected socially anymore except through 381 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: social media. UM. And then this thing happened and everybody 382 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: focused on it. That is how mass formation psychosis happens. 383 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: And that is what's happened here. Horrible, completely wrong um 384 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: in every single way. UM. They the Germans were not 385 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: confused because nothing made sense. They were angry because of 386 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: the terms of the Treaty of Versailles. That were also 387 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: angry because of what they saw as and what like, 388 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: because of a myth that had grown up about why 389 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: they had lost the First World War, which was spread 390 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: by people who were the equivalent in that time of 391 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. They were scared of the left, of communism, 392 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: of disorder, of riots in the streets. Um. And one. 393 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: When Hitler took power, most Germans did not like him. 394 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: They did not blindly follow him. He gradually gained the 395 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: vast the support of the vast majority of Germany through 396 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 1: a number of different, very logical things. One thing that 397 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: he did that got him a lot of support was 398 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: he took businesses and homes and money from Jewish people 399 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: and from members of other groups that the Nazis were targeting, 400 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: and he gave it to Arians. There was a direct 401 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: financial interest for a lot of people who got in 402 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: line behind the Nazis, and he established a series of 403 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: programs like the Strength through Joy program that really did 404 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: benefit in a way that they had not known before 405 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: the German working class. Um. And a lot of this 406 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: was again subsidized through the appropriations of things that had 407 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: been owned by people that the Nazis were targeting. People 408 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: fell in line behind Hitler for logical reasons. He did 409 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: not reach the highest point of his support from the 410 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: German populace until the taking of Paris, which obviously that 411 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: was something that a lot of Germans supported. They had 412 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: spent four years failing to take the city in World 413 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: War One. UM. Anyway, sorry, it's all nonsense, it's all lies. 414 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: I think. The reason why this is latching on so 415 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: much to people on the right, like people on the 416 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: right who who don't consider themselves fascists, who who think 417 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: who would say Nazis are bad right there. They still 418 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: are latching onto this because it provides a way for 419 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: them to not understand how fascism actually works. Right. It 420 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: provides an alternative explanation that makes them not have to 421 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: actually think about what fascism is. Um. And that's why 422 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: they're latching onto it. And it also is already it's 423 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: already a part of the conspiracies they have around vaccines 424 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: and power structures. So because because it's the conspiratorial basis, 425 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: instead of like thinking about power structures from like an 426 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: anarchist or like like higher archy lens, it reinforces the 427 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: world views they have and makes them not have to 428 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: interrogate the ones that they don't want to. UM it sucks. 429 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: Malone's substack goes into more of this and it's it's 430 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: it's pretty bad. There's a this is a few quotes 431 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: that I think really kind of tied this together, and 432 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: then he has some horrible statistics. Um. He says, as 433 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: many of you know, I've spent time researching and speaking 434 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: about mass psychosis theory. Most of what I've learned is 435 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: come from Dr Desmond. Dr Desmond is like the guy 436 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: who pointed this term UM and uh Malone, writes Desmond 437 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: realized that this form of mass hypnosis, the madness of crowds, 438 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: can account for the strange phenomenon of about of the 439 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: population in the Western world becoming entrenched with the noble 440 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: lies and dominant narrative concerning the safety and effectiveness of 441 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: the genetic vaccines, and both propagated and enforced by politicians, 442 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: science bureaucrats, pharmaceutical companies, and legacy media. Of course, the 443 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: obvious examples of masformation is Germany in the thirties and forties. 444 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: How could the German people, who are highly educated, very 445 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: liberal in the classic sense, Western thinking people, how could 446 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: they go crazy and do what they did to the Jews? 447 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: How could this happen to a civilized people. A leader 448 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: of a mass formation movement will use the platform to 449 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: continue to pump the group of information to focus on. 450 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: In the case of COVID nineteen, I like to use 451 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: the term fear porn. Leaders through mainstream media and government 452 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: channel and government channels continuously feed the beast with more 453 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: messaging that further hypnotize their adherents. Studies suggest that mass 454 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: formation follows a general distribution people are brainwashed and hypnotized 455 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: fully doctor in the group narrative in the middle are 456 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: persuaded and may follow if know where the alternatives perceived, 457 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: And thirty percent will fight the narrative. Those who rebel 458 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: and fight against the narrative become the enemy of the 459 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: brainwashed and the primary target of aggression. So that's the 460 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: way he thinks. That is how which is really it's 461 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: really subject like in terms of how he's building a 462 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: narrative in his head and specifically building a narrative for 463 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: other people's heads to to view. Why do I feel 464 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: distrustful of certain pieces of power but love other pieces 465 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: of power? Yeah, And it's again like this idea that 466 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: like well, Germany was liberals there, Germany had an enormous 467 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: right wing movement, Like it was a hugely conservative country 468 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. It would also had a 469 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: lot of leftist organizing and a lot of leftists in it, 470 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: especially after World War One, But like the Fry Corps ship, 471 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: there were these massive millions strong right wing armed street 472 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: movements that existed for the entirety of the Weimar Republic. 473 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: Like it's again everything he says is wrong. Yeah, And 474 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: again it's like the notion that like are fully burnwashed, 475 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: are in the middle and persuadable fight the narrative. It's 476 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: like these these people who are upset, these like these 477 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: specifically conservatives, were obsessed about thinking like I would have 478 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: fought the Nazis. And because they don't understand how fashions 479 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: and works and powerdynamics, they don't understand how how they're 480 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: actually getting pulled into the same thing. But they still 481 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: view themselves as the rebel right. They there's right, yeah, 482 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: like they're still focused on being yeah's absolutely like they're 483 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: still focused on being the rebel and like we're rebelling 484 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: against the vaccine that that is just like rebelling against 485 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: the Nazis. And you're like, what, um, so I just 486 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: want to say about those numbers, if they're too completely 487 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: made up? Yeah, yeah, when when people start throwing even 488 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: numbers statistic exactly like that, it's because they're lying. Yeah, 489 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: it's because yeah, yeah, absolutely not. Yeah, that's that's complete nonsense. 490 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: For one. Yeah, it's so so I get because now, 491 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: the other thing that happened around this interview, because it 492 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: didn't give a lot of traction among the right, is 493 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: that whenever these things gain traction, they also developed conspiracy 494 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: theories that people are trying to suppress it. Like look 495 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: at the Google algorithm when you type in certain keywords 496 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: like I know that. The day this was trending, it 497 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: was like if you google dr malone, the usually like 498 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: the sixth result, the first one is this YouTube video 499 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: at de Bunky and like I did this, and like no, 500 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 1: the first result was the obviously viral video of him 501 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: saying the thing, Like they just they can take one 502 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: screenshot that maybe someone made or maybe because of one 503 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: person's computer algorithm that's what gave them and use this 504 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: as like evidence that this is the entire system of 505 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: the Internet suppressing the thing, Like no, the Internet wants 506 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: things to go viral. Now, there's certain things where they 507 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: like trying to shut down the spread of dangerous stuff, 508 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: but this got very viral. This was not contained in 509 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: any way. But because of this notion like they're trying 510 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: to hide it, you know, it plays into their them 511 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: thinking they're like they're them thinking that they are the 512 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: rebels or something. And there's also a very practical reason 513 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: why the people who particularly know that they're lying do this, 514 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: and it's because all of their success is based on 515 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: a foundation of the way in which YouTube and Facebook 516 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: and Twitter algorithmically amplified them and their predecessors. And they 517 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: know that creating controversy over the fact that are being suppressed, 518 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: um leads to more content that Jin's that basically algorithmically 519 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: spreads their stuff more because more people are talking about it, 520 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: because other people's channels start debating it, because idiots on 521 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: the left are like, well, we should at least have 522 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: them on platform them because we're anti censorship too, so 523 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: let's debate them. And like all of this stupid ship 524 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: feeds into spreading their stuff. It's a very intelligent strategy. Um, 525 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: I hate it, but just in just in terms of 526 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: how ridiculous it is. I know. A few days ago, 527 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: a Congressman Troy Nells said that I submitted the transcript 528 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: from the Joe Rogan Experience podcast episode with Dr Malone 529 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: to the Congressional Record. Big tech wants to restrict your access, 530 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: your access to information, but they cannot censor. The Congressional 531 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: Record not big tech is the entire reason why you 532 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: know about these people. Yeah, entirely. So if it were 533 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: not for big tech, Joe Rogan would be narrating videos 534 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: of robots fighting. So Jack Sybiak got real into the 535 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: because he loves anything that goes viral. For big tech, 536 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: Jack Piso Bik would have died in a ditch of 537 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: an oxy content overdose, so he got real into it. 538 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: He changed his like he changed his Twitter name to 539 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: Jack mass Formation psychosis, psychosa Beck or some bullshit like that. 540 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: Stupid and it was. It was tweeting about a NonStop 541 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: for a week and like like a kid learning about 542 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: a new topic because of synchronicity' he's gonna like projected 543 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: onto everything he sees. Now he's like this this new 544 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: all encompassing topic that makes you avoid what fashions them 545 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: actually is and then point out at the things you 546 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: don't like. So of course he's gonna apply to everything 547 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: he He made a tweet right before January six, um 548 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: as the anniversary of the Capitol intermpted ku thing. Regime 549 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: Media has launched a propaganda push against Ashley Babbitt today 550 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: to psychologically prep their flock for the upcoming mass formation 551 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: event planned for January six this week. This this is 552 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: called priming and it's a text book mass formation theory tactic. 553 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: Wait till you see what comes next, And it is 554 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: the sixth today has anything what happened? Not goddamn thing 555 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: they got fucking lin Manuel Morenda does sing song that's 556 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: gone from Miranda? Did you see that that wasn't He 557 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: might have said something in the beginning that was due, 558 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: but the performance has been played before on other things. Well, 559 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: and I am you know what, if we're taught trying 560 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: to reach across the aisle, I am willing to admit 561 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: that the popularity of lin Manuel Miranda might be a 562 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: mass formation psychosis. Absolutely, the popularity of Hamilton's is a 563 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: mast formation psychus. Absolutely, we're just being assholes. But like, like 564 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: like seriously like it again, but it doesn't it does. 565 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: The fuck is when it when it comes to again 566 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: like the fact that he said there's gonna be this 567 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: whatever psyche mass formation psychosis event on the anniversary of 568 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: January six then it's going to be huge watch for it. 569 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: And nothing happens, doesn't matter, never matters, will never matter, 570 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: um because again, like it's it's I think one of 571 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: the issues that we have here is the degree to 572 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: which brain brainwashing and hypnosis and stuff are talked about 573 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: within kind of discussions of a cultic milieu when they're 574 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: not really a factor not a factor in cults, not 575 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: nearly as much as you think. Yeah, and not in 576 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: the way that you think. There's things that like you 577 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: could call brainwashing, but the the and you could even 578 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: maybe call hypnosis, although that's a lot murkier, is a 579 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: very technical thing. Yeah, But but the what actually like 580 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: the stuff that's actually happens. Again, it's always much more 581 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: logical and rational if you can just inhabit the mental 582 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: space of the people who are in those communities because 583 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: of what they're primed to believe first, and because of 584 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: what is happening socially, because of the degree to which 585 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: they isolate themselves from people who are outside of that bubble. Like, 586 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: that's why you it's so hard to get them out. 587 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: It's not that like magically their brains have been taken over. 588 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: It's that they have pretty methodically been put into a 589 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: position where rejecting what is being told to them within 590 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: this context is immensely more painful, um than just continuing 591 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: to believe things that are not true. Um. And there 592 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: are more consequences for it, you know. Um, you lose 593 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: a support network, you lose a great deal of of 594 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: of your own opinion of yourself and your self worth 595 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: if you start to reject this stuff. Um. And once 596 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: you can trap people in that, it's the same way 597 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: that scientology works. Once you can trap people in that. Um, 598 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: it's the evidence of their eyes and the fact that 599 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: like they're obviously being lied to and the things that 600 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: they're being told about don't come to pass. It's this. 601 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: It's the reason why you have a bunch of apocalyptic 602 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: cults who say the days the world's going to end 603 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: on this day and time that day and time comes, 604 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: the world doesn't end, and the cult goes on. You know, Yeah, 605 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 1: it's pretty it's pretty ridiculou us. This this whole thing 606 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,959 Speaker 1: was started by this professor of clinical psychology at at 607 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: a university in Belgium, Matthias Desmot. He seems to have 608 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: a pretty bad understanding of history and actual like power 609 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: structures and does not know the least bit about fascism. Um. 610 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: And it's trying to craft this thing to fill in 611 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: the gaps in his own knowledge and applies it to everything. 612 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: And I've read some of his stuff. It's it's nonsense. Um. 613 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: Again that just like the doctors who talked about it, 614 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, he's using this also is a way 615 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: to explain how COVID is not real and how the 616 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: vaccine is a is a ploy to do bad thing. 617 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: It's it's all ridiculous, it's irresponsible, um, and they're using 618 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: it as a tactic and hopefully it's just gonna blow over. 619 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: But I'm sure it'll pop up everyone every once in 620 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: a while again, just like it popped up, you know, 621 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. But that's that's really all. I all. 622 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: I want to get into it. I I could say more, 623 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: but I think we have said enough. I think that's 624 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: said enough. Um all right, well fuck itt, Yeah, that's it. 625 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: That's all I've got. UM Read This Way for the 626 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: Gas Ladies and Gentlemen by Thaddius Borowski. Um. It will. 627 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: It will have a major impact on the way you 628 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: see the entire world if you if you actually read it. Um, 629 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: there's some incredible pieces in there. One of one of 630 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: the things that the Taddius points out is that like 631 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: people only ever have like one kind of language for 632 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,479 Speaker 1: for talking about like the things that they feel, where 633 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: whether it's something they they kind of vaguely care about 634 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: or something they care about enough to murder over. And 635 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: so when people engage in acts of like horrific violence 636 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: on a mass scale. They often do it looking and 637 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: acting like they would if they were irritated at somebody 638 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: in traffic. Um. And it's the most un rattling thing 639 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 1: about being the victim of a genocide that you don't 640 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: see the kind of hate and the kind of rage 641 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: and the kind of like what you would expect someone 642 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: would need to be amped up to. It's more of 643 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: like you see, more like kind of boredom and and 644 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: irritation and all that stuff. Like it's not anyway read 645 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: read read Daddy Sparowski. Um, he's I desperately wish Joe 646 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: Rogan would just sit and narrate this book on his show, 647 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: because I do actually a service to the world. Anyway. Um, 648 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 1: that's that's the episode. 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