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Speaker 1: especially when you're making life altering life decisions. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: like no, And that was your stoasm. Your sarcasm in

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Speaker 1: today is that way you're like, you'll say something sarcastic

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Speaker 1: my critiques aside, our critiques aside. I thought it'd be

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Speaker 1: good to bring back the episode we did with a

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Speaker 1: Chanelle Alie, comedian about activism and advocacy within comedy, and

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Speaker 1: she's doing all kinds of things. Look her up. She's

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Speaker 1: So for comedy specials, so many things, food Network stuff like,

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Speaker 1: definitely go check it out. And in the meantime, please

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Speaker 1: enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Samantha and this

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Speaker 1: is Annie. Welcome to STEPH. Mom never told you a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio's How Stuff Works, And today we've got

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Speaker 1: focus on in just in general when it comes to

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Speaker 1: a being a woman who talks about abortion and talks

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Speaker 1: about reproductive justice, and then being a woman on the

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Speaker 1: comedy stage, which is already usually a strike, and then

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Speaker 1: being a woman of color, a black woman, so many stage,

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Speaker 1: how do you combat all of those social I guess

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Speaker 1: what is its issues injustices? Racism all about how do

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Speaker 1: you deal with that and today especially when even though

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Speaker 1: it's not accepted, it kind of is and it seems

435
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Speaker 1: to be back and forth. Yeah, I mean there's a

436
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Speaker 1: lot of levels to that. But I think just being

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Speaker 1: a woman in comedy, I had to learn that I

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Speaker 1: had to find peace with people not always agreeing with me,

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Speaker 1: and I think that can be hard when you're speaking

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Speaker 1: into a microphone because you want them to just not

441
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Speaker 1: and say, Yep, you're right girl, We're here with you.

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Speaker 1: And so I had to learn peace with that, and

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Speaker 1: that really came from educating male comedians in like personal spaces,

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Speaker 1: Like I remember when Bill Cosby went on trial, a

445
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Speaker 1: lot of male comedians that I love in respect were

446
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: just not in the right mindset in my opinion, and

447
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: they were very steeped in their beliefs and weren't going

448
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Speaker 1: to be moved. But then they got to hear a

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Speaker 1: perspective from someone like me that they know and they

450
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Speaker 1: love and they trust, and they know has been doing

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Speaker 1: comedy forever and has been even in rooms with people

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Speaker 1: like Bill Cosby, and so I could speak from an

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Speaker 1: experience that they had never had firsthand knowledge of. And

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Speaker 1: so I was able to convince them through my experiences

455
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Speaker 1: and also referencing things that they had seen among their

456
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Speaker 1: counterparts about the reality. You know, like you have been

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Speaker 1: on tour with a famous comedian and he grew up

458
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Speaker 1: in an era where things couldn't get recorded on your

459
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Speaker 1: cell phone? Did you see firsthand that he was inappropriate?

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Speaker 1: Did you see firsthand that he seemed power crazy and

461
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: not really aware of how he's affecting other people, and

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00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: a lot of times they couldn't deny that, And so

463
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Speaker 1: I was able to kind of bridge that gap between them,

464
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Speaker 1: not feeling so indignant as we often do, but at

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Speaker 1: least feeling sympathetic and recognizing the reality of the climate

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Speaker 1: of what fame and money can do and the types

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Speaker 1: of power dynamics that exists in entertainment because a lot

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Speaker 1: of our meetings are in hotel rooms, and they are

469
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Speaker 1: they're at bars and we have been drinking and you

470
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Speaker 1: have to go or the opportunity isn't there. And if

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Speaker 1: I was a young woman years ago and Bill Cosby

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Speaker 1: had invited me to a thing, I would have went.

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Speaker 1: I would have absolutely went, and I would have trusted

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Speaker 1: that anything he wanted me to do was within the

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Speaker 1: scope of what's appropriate, right, you know. So I think

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Speaker 1: by really just kind of breaking down those barriers of

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Speaker 1: communication and taking out the anger, because it's so easy

478
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Speaker 1: to like scream at a man, you're stupid, you're not listening,

479
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: you don't trust women, blah blah blah blah blah. But

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Speaker 1: you know, you can't just scream feminism at men. And

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Speaker 1: I think I have learned that from firsthand just watching

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Speaker 1: people try right getting on stage and being like, so

483
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: I'm a feminist, and the whole crowd is like, great,

484
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Speaker 1: this is gonna be light. Sure, you're not gonna have

485
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Speaker 1: any heavy opinions that make me feel bad about what

486
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Speaker 1: I'm doing every day with my life. So I watched

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Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes and I was able to kind

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Speaker 1: of learn like, okay, so you can't. You can't really

489
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Speaker 1: break down a barrier that way. So I think just

490
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Speaker 1: like really being confident and taking out the anger as

491
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Speaker 1: much as I can has helped me convert a lot

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Speaker 1: of men into at least thinking for themselves, and women

493
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Speaker 1: have been calling out a lot of the inequalities in comedy.

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Speaker 1: Like a comedy show flyer will come out and it'll

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Speaker 1: be eight white guys in the same flannel. Two to

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Speaker 1: three of them have beards and glasses, and that's fine,

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Speaker 1: but the perspectives that they're going to bring are gonna

498
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: be very similar, right, and then the comedy becomes this

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Speaker 1: one industry where you only give an opportunity to somebody

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Speaker 1: that makes you feel comfortable, and you always give an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to someone that's like you. I feel the same

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Speaker 1: way when I go on the road and I pick

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Speaker 1: someone open for me, I'm more often I'm going to

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Speaker 1: give it to a black woman than anyone else because

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Speaker 1: I wanted to succeed and I feel like I'm giving

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Speaker 1: back to my community. So I feel like other people

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Speaker 1: do that, but they don't recognize that they do if

508
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Speaker 1: they don't recognize that comedy is run by white men

509
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Speaker 1: and they own most of the clubs, and so when

510
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Speaker 1: they consistently make that decision, it does become a system.

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Speaker 1: And so when you can break it down into terms

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Speaker 1: like that and really talk about the human qualities, it

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Speaker 1: helps you really just get over the barrier of I'm

514
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Speaker 1: not just spouting because I'm a black woman and I'm angry,

515
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Speaker 1: because even though I am, I'm really trying to educate

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Speaker 1: you and enlighten you so you can see that this

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Speaker 1: is a world that I exist in and you exist

518
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: in differently, right, you know? So, because one of the

519
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Speaker 1: things that we've been talking about a lot in the

520
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: last year was about anger and how it can be

521
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Speaker 1: used to fight because a lot of times we know

522
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Speaker 1: that anger is a sign that something is wrong, and

523
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Speaker 1: so there needs to be whether you take action or

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Speaker 1: you just sit and stew in it. And we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about what does that look like when we actually

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Speaker 1: take action. So as you're talking about in this industry

527
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Speaker 1: which has been exposed somewhat but obviously kind of fallen

528
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Speaker 1: back because if you look at the Louis c. K thing,

529
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Speaker 1: and he's fairly forgiven and now kind of still dictates

530
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Speaker 1: what it is to have stand up and being paid

531
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Speaker 1: to do comedy, as well as dictating, oh, you can't

532
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Speaker 1: have your phone in here because I want to say

533
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Speaker 1: the inappropriate things that's going to get me in shouble,

534
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to read an article about it, so right,

535
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: and all of these things when we have that, and

536
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Speaker 1: then just even the Harvey Weinstein when he came to

537
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Speaker 1: the club with all the young actresses and the comedian

538
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: came out and called him out. Yeah, that everybody was pissed.

539
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: I'd like to shout them out. That was Kelly Bachman

540
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Speaker 1: and Ambarrallo. Ambarrallo and I have a podcast together. She's

541
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Speaker 1: dope there, They're both really dope, and they're so courageous

542
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: in that moment. But yeah, that's really so empowering to

543
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: watch women stand up for our spaces. And that's something

544
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: about like the space is thing that I sometimes feel

545
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: like I have to always bridge the gap with men

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Speaker 1: and explain. And I'm like, if we have evidence that

547
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: a person is inappropriate in a certain space, every woman

548
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: in that space is now uncomfortable. So when Louis c.

549
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Speaker 1: K walks into a comedy club and they throw him

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00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: on a lineup, if a woman is on that lineup

551
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: and she's uncomfortable in that space, now she used to

552
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: leave because the club is not going to say, oh, okay, sorry.

553
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: So now his privilege is that he continues to dictate

554
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: what a space is and what he can do in it,

555
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: and women just have to deal, especially comedians. And when

556
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: we work in an industry that is literal minutes. Somebody

557
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: gives me a mic for ten minutes and you can

558
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: work on your craft, and then you have to go home.

559
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: You can't come back and I'll give you more minutes.

560
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: You have to go home and wait for another day.

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00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: It sets women back in a huge way. I always

562
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: compare comedy to basketball, and that if someone was like,

563
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: I want to be Lebron tomorrow, they'd have to practice

564
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: every single day as much as they could. But if

565
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: they're only going to give you a basketball for ten minutes,

566
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Speaker 1: it's going to take you a lot longer, right, And

567
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: men get the basketball a lot, so they get that

568
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: basketball so much exactly. And that's the question is how

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Speaker 1: do you tate that anger or take that understanding that

570
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: you have just been denied? Yeah, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I handle it the same way as everyone else.

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00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: But I always try to really look at the pros

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Speaker 1: and the cons and try to decide what I want

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Speaker 1: to be a part of, what I want to put

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Speaker 1: my name on. And I always think about the younger

576
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: me and if she were to watch a comedy show

577
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: and see a display that's not very favoring of women,

578
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: and then watch me also on the lineup not address it,

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Speaker 1: what type of implications would I push out on her?

580
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: I would be indirectly teaching her that this is okay

581
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: and that you should just take it and just smile.

582
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: And I think that's terrible. I hate that so much.

583
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: So to me, I really try to evaluate projects very thoroughly.

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00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: I really stand up for myself in corporate rooms and

585
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: talk about what I'm not comfortable with. I even remember

586
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: one time I auditioned for a film and I really

587
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: wanted to be in it, but there was line in

588
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: the character they wanted me to play, where I basically

589
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: had to say, like, who would want to be black?

590
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: Because it's terrible. So I tried to make it funny,

591
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: like let's make it lighthearted, and the director was like, no,

592
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: you're sad and you're mad that you're black, And I

593
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think I can do this, you know,

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00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: And so I had to acknowledge, like, I'm not going

595
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: to get this part because I'm not capable of even

596
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: saying that sentence and sounding like I'm not forcing it

597
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. I'm not capable of even portraying

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00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: that sentiment. And if my younger self watched myself say that,

599
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: it would impact me, you know. So I always think

600
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: about the younger generation. I think about how many incredibly

601
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: talented and funny women I think there are around the

602
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: world old who never feel compelled to try it because

603
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: there's all these voices telling them, no, you're not funny,

604
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: this is for this, and this is that. So you

605
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: know too, I always think that there's like an orthodontist

606
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: in Missouri who could have been a comedy great, but

607
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: everybody in her life told her nor told her, yeah,

608
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: you're silly. Yeah, you know, so I always think about

609
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: like really elevating our voices and calling things out, and

610
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: I picked my battles. I definitely picked my battles. But

611
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: I also have a lot of integrity, and so there

612
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: have been entire clubs, entire venues that I've decided I'm

613
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: not going to work with you guys anymore, because you

614
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: continually perpetuate something that's unhealthy and I don't want to.

615
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to add to

616
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: it because I know what I bring to the table.

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00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: You know, So you have to have a lot of pride,

618
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: You have to really hold yourself to a high standard,

619
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: but also protect your rise because I need to be

620
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: on a high platform to make any change, you know.

621
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: So myself as your new best friend, yes, as a

622
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: supporter who is not a comedian, what can I do

623
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: to help elevate that cause as well? Obviously I don't

624
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: have that giant voice, I don't have the comedic timing.

625
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: It's okay, but I want to support this and I

626
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: want to make sure that the women and those who

627
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: identify who their non binary, who are being silenced because

628
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: these platforms don't want to be uncomfortable or and or

629
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: don't want to root for the underdogs, and essentially, yeah,

630
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: we are underdogs totally. What can I do? I mean,

631
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: obviously I exist in an artist realm, So it really

632
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: comes down to supporting the artists. And that can really

633
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: come down to even just like doing your due diligence

634
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: and looking up on lineup and asking questions, why is

635
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: there no woman on this show? You have eight comedians here,

636
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: you couldn't find one lady? Right? You know? Also, I

637
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: think that like when we think about our favorite television shows,

638
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: a lot of those shows are staffed by rooms of

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00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: comedians that get together in a room like this and

640
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: they say down, they write an episode. So look up

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows. Look up those writers. If they are

642
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: trans women, if they are non binary, follow them on Twitter,

643
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: follow them on Instagram, support their other projects, and recognize

644
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: the parts that they play, Like some of them will

645
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: direct an entire episode. You know. Mindy calling started out

646
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: that way a lot, so that individual support means so

647
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: much more. I think it also really comes down to

648
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: like standing firm on things you're not going to support,

649
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to spend a lot of money

650
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: on a ticket to see Lewis y k I'm not

651
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: going to do it, and you should. If you are

652
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: really considering that, you should actually put that money elsewhere.

653
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: Donate it to the amazing organizations that help comedians every day.

654
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: And there are even a lot of like mentorship programs

655
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: that help young women find their voice. So it really

656
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: comes down to deciding what type of artists you want

657
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: to support and recognizing that their message requires your help

658
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: because it's important. Right, we have a little bit more

659
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Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. Yeah, So a lot of these questions

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Speaker 1: I've already I've been thinking about a lot of one

663
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: of the biggest questions for me as a woman of color,

664
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Speaker 1: but as a woman of color with privilege, and I

665
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: acknowledge that I'm asi woman, I get all of that.

666
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: I have a good job, I've had good support, and

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00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: I acknowledge all that's how do I support those who

668
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: may not have that same advantage as well as if

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Speaker 1: my heart is an advocacy, which it always has been,

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00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: which is why I am a social worker, and you

671
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: and I were talking about, you know, kind of pouring

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00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: back out because it's something significant for us. What doesn't

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Speaker 1: look like to be a true ally There's there's a

674
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: lot of levels to that. Yeah, you know, but I

675
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: think really, especially myself, I've learned the last year that

676
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: we should be volunteering more. And it sounds especially I'm

677
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: a comedian, I drink a lot, I work at night,

678
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't sleep. If someone was like, yeah, you know,

679
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: a couple times a month, I need to go volunteer somewhere,

680
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, I don't know, man, I don't know.

681
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: But I will say that in everything that we do,

682
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: like my medium is comedy, and everything that we do,

683
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: we have these skills that we could lend to organizations

684
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: that are great and that we should donate our time

685
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: to them. So if that's making us some dope stickers

686
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: for a great cause in terms of like causes that

687
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: are very important to me, I'm very consistently worried about

688
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: gun violence, and so I'll volunteer. I'll donate to every town.

689
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: I think they're incredible organization. I'll advocate for them, I'll

690
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: write tweets about them and praise anything to do in

691
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: the media, you know. But I think also it's about

692
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: recognizing how a lot of the things that we frequent

693
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: our microcosms for some of these bigger problems. So even

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00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: in the realm of an office, just recognizing that you

695
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: know a person of color is alone in certain instances,

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00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: or that you know they're left out in certain instances.

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Speaker 1: Just being comfortable enough to walk up to someone and

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00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: say I'm here to help is really being an ally

699
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: or just hey, I recognize what just happened, because sometimes

700
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: that silence is so deafening when you feel like you're

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00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: being targeted or treated unfairly, and then everyone is averting

702
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: their eyes. I think that's a great way to do it.

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00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: I also think that we have to vote. We have

704
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: to vote, and we have to do it in a

705
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: way that we're not just thinking about ourselves. And that's

706
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: really hard because that's not really the way that a

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00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: lot of candidates speak nowadays. Anyway. They can be very

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00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: brash and very bold and like people are coming for

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00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: your guns and people are coming for you, and so

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00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: you have to vote for you, But that's not really

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00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: the foundation of the country or really trying to form

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00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: this more perfect union. If you're really being that patriotic,

713
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: then you should recognize that there are things that are

714
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: not directly affecting you, but are affecting other people all

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00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: the time, and it is your duty, because you have

716
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: the privilege to not be affected by it, to research

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00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: it more, and to recognize when it happens, and to

718
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: listen to other people when they tell you about it happening.

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Speaker 1: So I just think that's the first step. And I

720
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: think you have to really break all of these bigger

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00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: tasks down into a smaller schedule so you can say that, hey,

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00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: however many days a month I was able to give

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Speaker 1: to a local clinic, And if it's as simple as

724
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: just bringing them some donuts, that's support. That's help, and

725
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna that's what's gonna fuel people to keep

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00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: doing the work that you may not yourself be able

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00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: to do. Right. I love it. That's been one of

728
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: the big messages I think we've been recording in the

729
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: last month. That's vote and I'm going to recognize your

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00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: voice matters, and this right matters. And I always think

731
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: about like the really stupid guy that you knew in

732
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: high school, like the idiot of idiots, and how he's

733
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: going to vote every time he's got nothing else. He's

734
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: so invested in exercising his right that you have to

735
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: exercise yours to at least combat it. Right, So if

736
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: you're ever feeling like I don't know if I want

737
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: to vote, I don't feel like going out today, think

738
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: about that idiot. I know that his mom is going

739
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: to take him to vote. She's going to drive him there,

740
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: and he'll pick He'll pick the radio station, and that's

741
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: his life, right, So don't let him because he doesn't

742
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: have to look for the services that you might need

743
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: one day. He doesn't have to worry about the things

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00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: that impact your life. So you know, you gotta vote.

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00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: I love it. I love I'm someone who's very spite motivated.

746
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: It's the idea of like, oh that high school kid,

747
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: think about him. That's why, yes, as you vote, you're like, yes,

748
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: name him Stephen, Yeah, Mason, Yeah, yeah, I totally did

749
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: it works at a costco Yeah. You know, we don't

750
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: forget these things. I stay whatever, they stay with them.

751
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: So thank you. Uh yeah, I guess we can just

752
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: try to wrap it up and just want to know

753
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: what projects you already talked about the Comedy Central show,

754
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: he talked about the album. What other projects we're talked

755
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: more about these projects. Oh man. So at the end

756
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: of the month, I'm recording a series for Audible. It's

757
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: going to be called Apocalypse Untreated, and it's about these

758
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: teenagers in this apocalyptic world who were medicated like for

759
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: their depression, but now because of an apocalypse has happened,

760
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: they don't have medication and so it's like this comedy drama. Um,

761
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: so that'll be out an Audible. I don't know within

762
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: a few months, Okay. Um. You can always check my

763
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: web site for dates about where I'm going to be

764
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: touring because I'm always telling jokes outside of New York City,

765
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: even though that's where I live. I would go on

766
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: tour about fourteen days a month. Usually you can go

767
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: to Chenali dot com for that. That's channel like the

768
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: Perfume Ali, like Mohammed you get it? Yeah, there it is.

769
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: And can you give advice? Again, I'm not this person

770
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: who is trying to come into the comedy world. Yeah,

771
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: will you give some sound advice to them? Totally, I'm

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00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna try to not speak forever on this, but the

773
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: first advice I want to say is that if you

774
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: want to pursue comedy and you feel like anybody in

775
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: your life is trying to persuade you not to find

776
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: peace in the idea that you're not trying to hurt

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00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: anyone and that if your goal is to bring people

778
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: together through laughter, that is very noble, and so find

779
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: peace with how it might not seem like you're a

780
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: surgeon and your life is very important as a comedian,

781
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: But if it's something that you really feel interested in,

782
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: then you have to not listen to anyone and you

783
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: have to just do it for yourself every single day.

784
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: In terms of like very practical comedy advice, I think

785
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: minutes on stage trump everything. Like I don't care how

786
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: much you can sit at home and write funny things

787
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: in your notebook. You have to be on stage every

788
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: single day as much as you can, no matter what,

789
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: because those logging those minutes, that's all that's gonna bring

790
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: you growth, that's gonna help you develop as an artist.

791
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: I also think it's important to study from artists before us.

792
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: Steve Martin has a great book on comedy called Born

793
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Standing Up Changed my life. I read it after the

794
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: first time I bombed and I wanted to quit comedy.

795
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: I was like, what's funny? I don't even know? Read

796
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: That book really changed my life. Also, that guy Daryl

797
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: Hammond has a book. He used to be the announcer.

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00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: I think he's actually the announcer for SNL, but he

799
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: used to be a player on SNL. I think it's

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00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: called God if you're up there. If you're not up there,

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00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: I think it's I think I think it's God if

802
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: you're not out there. But it's an incredible story. He

803
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: lives an incredible life and overcame just just really some

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00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: some hard, hard things. What's it called? Yeah, I got

805
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: it right, right, Yang. I read that book forever ago,

806
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: and that book helped me a lot. Helped me reconcile

807
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: with the idea that we don't have to be perfect

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00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: people to pursue art. We can have suffered trauma and

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00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: be currently living in it and still be okay enough

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00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: to do our art. And that's a very peaceful sentiment

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00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: once you can have it. I also think it's very

812
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: important to take deep breaths, breathe in through your nose

813
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: and out through your mouth very often, and try to

814
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: just keep moving forward no matter what. I love it,

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00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: and I did want to kind of ask, because this

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00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: is again my own self interest. You were talking about

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00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: the fact that you work with a group. Yeah, I

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00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: work with an organization in New York. It's called Stand

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00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: Up for Girls and um So, they basically go around

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Speaker 1: to some of the local high schools in New York

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Speaker 1: and they get basically the more vocal or very not

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Speaker 1: vocal girls to practice stand up comedy, to practice a

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Speaker 1: five minute set. For a few months, they work on it,

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Speaker 1: and they throw a big show at a comedy club

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00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: and they invite their parents and the administrator's whole faculty

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00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: to come out, and then they'll have someone like me

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Speaker 1: headline it. And it's so incredible to watch young women

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00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: find their voice in that way. I mean, I have

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00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: heard these girls say jokes that were better than anything

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00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: I could ever write, like so poignant. A lot of them,

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Speaker 1: especially if they come from families that have like immigrant parents,

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00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: a lot of cultural background, a lot of cultural history,

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00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: they will read our country for filth in a way

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00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: that we could never really communicate as well. So Stand

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00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: Up for Girls is a great organization. If you want

836
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: to donate, they're doing great work. I have been on

837
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: the verge of tears at every single comedy show that

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00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: I have done with them, and it's just beautiful. It's

839
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: beautiful comedy. It's just a beautiful thing. And if you're

840
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: not seeing comedy shows in your daily life, do it.

841
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: You need to go sit with strangers and giggle on

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00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: the dark. I promise you you do. Yes, I appreciated it.

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00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: It was a good night. I'm so sad I missed Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you missed out real hard. I got the T shirts.

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Speaker 1: I know, two T shirts. Excited about my shirts literally

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Speaker 1: no one. I love that shirt so much. Anyway, thank you,

847
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: thank you very much. And one last thing, tell our

848
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: listeners where they can find you. You can follow me

849
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram at Chanel Underscore Underscore Ali. That's

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00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: two underscores. So it's Chanell two Underscores Ali. There's a

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00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: girl who has my actual name, Chanel Ali, and I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to track her down for years. Yeah the clone.

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Speaker 1: Oh she has pictures out. I know. I actually know

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Speaker 1: because she hasn't been on Instagram in like four years.

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Speaker 1: I've come so close to getting her like on the phone.

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Speaker 1: But so yeah, Chanelle Underscore Underscore Ali. I'm on Twitter, Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I post on Twitter pretty often. Um, you can also

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Speaker 1: so much for coming in by anybody else you want

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Speaker 1: to add to it. Oh. I love you guys so much,

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Speaker 1: and just keep moving forward all right, and I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed that as much as we did. It was

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Speaker 1: such an amazing time. Um. I'm hoping to catch up

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Speaker 1: with her again. I'm out and determined to be friends

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Speaker 1: with everything really all m and she apparently is coming

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Speaker 1: back to Atlanta, so when she does, I will be there.

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Speaker 1: You guys should definitely check out her Comedy Central special

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Speaker 1: coming out, her Audible coming Out, as well as her

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Speaker 1: album coming Out because she is amazing and just a

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Speaker 1: great individual overall. Yeah, and always remember, as she said,

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Speaker 1: fun to giggle in the dark with someone, yes, but

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Speaker 1: really support people that you want to see succeed. And

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Speaker 1: she was awesome, So go do it. Go do it.

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Speaker 1: And in the meantime, if you would like to email

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