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Speaker 3: you guys, this show for today is hot off the presses. Okay,
Speaker 3: hot off the presses? What do I mean by that?
Speaker 3: Did you hear the news? An intelligence official says the
Speaker 3: US has retrieved craft of non human origin. M yep,
Speaker 3: I said it. I did. So we're gonna go over
Speaker 3: that and a couple of other positions. When it comes
Speaker 3: to the church and how they view these topics because
Speaker 3: it's a crazy world out there, and how people can
Speaker 3: how can I say approach these things? Is anybody correct?
Speaker 3: Is anybody right? Is everybody wrong? Who knows? But we're
Speaker 3: gonna We're gonna go through this because it's kind of
Speaker 3: important and since this is just being released today, I
Speaker 3: think it's highly important. Okay, So I'm gonna read this
Speaker 3: from Thebrief dot org. And oh first, I want to
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Speaker 3: on track. Say look, oh man, I swear to you.
Speaker 3: So okay, this comes to us from Thebrief dot org
Speaker 3: And this was written by Leslie Keene met her Ralph
Speaker 3: Blumenthal interviewed him on this program, and it says a
Speaker 3: former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the
Speaker 3: Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert
Speaker 3: programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact
Speaker 3: craft of non human origin. Now we all I'm just
Speaker 3: me talking. Now, we all know that this is not
Speaker 3: brand new to the world because a lot of regular
Speaker 3: folks have seen our government retrieve such things and also abroad.
Speaker 3: This is something that gets reported, So that part is
Speaker 3: not new. What's new is having somebody in the ranks
Speaker 3: say it happened, all right, So continuing, the information he
Speaker 3: says has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed
Speaker 3: a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his
Speaker 3: confidential disclosures reported here for the first time. This is huge, guys,
Speaker 3: this is huge. Absolutely. Other intelligence officials, both active and retired,
Speaker 3: with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies,
Speaker 3: have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off
Speaker 3: the record. The whistleblower, David Charles Groosch thirty six, a
Speaker 3: decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of
Speaker 3: the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency NGA and the National Reconnaissance
Speaker 3: Office NRO. He served as the Reconnaissance Office's representative to
Speaker 3: the Sorry Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from twenty nineteen
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty one, so from late one to July
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two he was the mnga's co lead for
Speaker 3: UAP analysis and its representative to the task Force. So
Speaker 3: he's legit huge, very huge, all right. The task Force
Speaker 3: was established to investigate what were once called unidentified flying
Speaker 3: objects or UFOs. I prefer that term. My hand is raised, okay, guys,
Speaker 3: and are now officially called officially unidentified anomalist phenomena. Used
Speaker 3: to be called aerial phenomena, but now it's anomalous or UAP.
Speaker 3: The task Force was led by the Department of the
Speaker 3: Navy under the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense
Speaker 3: for Intelligence and Security. Has since been reorganized and expanded
Speaker 3: into the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to include investigations
Speaker 3: of objects operating underwater.
Speaker 4: HMM.
Speaker 3: Griff said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up
Speaker 3: to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the
Speaker 3: present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors.
Speaker 3: To hear that for decades, they're acknowledging that. He's acknowledging
Speaker 3: it that they've been grabbing at these vehicles, all right.
Speaker 3: People have written about these things forever. It's just amazing
Speaker 3: to me. Okay analysis has determined that the objects retrieved
Speaker 3: are of exotic origin, non human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or
Speaker 3: unknown origin, based on the vehicle morphologies and material science
Speaker 3: testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,
Speaker 3: he said in file telling his complaint. Groosh is represented
Speaker 3: by a lawyer who served as the original Intelligence Community
Speaker 3: Inspector General or ICIG. And this is a quote. We
Speaker 3: are not talking about prosaic origins or identities, Groosh said,
Speaker 3: referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. The
Speaker 3: material includes intact and partially intact vehicles in accordance with protocols,
Speaker 3: Groosh provided the Defense Office of Pre Publication and Security
Speaker 3: Review at the Department of Defense with information he intended
Speaker 3: to disclose to US. His on the record statements were
Speaker 3: all cleared for open publication on April fourth and six,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. In documents provided to US Grush's disclosures
Speaker 3: and those non public witnesses under new protective provisions of
Speaker 3: the latest Defense Appropriations Bill signal a growing determination by
Speaker 3: some in the government to unravel a colossal enigma with
Speaker 3: national security implications that has bedeviled the military, and tantalized
Speaker 3: the public going back to World War II and beyond
Speaker 3: those are some fancy words people. I like these words. Colossal, enigma,
Speaker 3: that's amazing.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 3: I like that, tantalized. You know, hey, we're all in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah about that new protective witness provision thing. I have
Speaker 3: heard that some of these people whistleblowers is supposed to
Speaker 3: protect whistleblowers right, have stepped forward only to be harassed
Speaker 3: or killed. All right, that's sad, sad, and that that
Speaker 3: was essentially created to you know, flush people out who
Speaker 3: are willing to talk, just so they could point them out.
Speaker 3: And that's coming from a friend of mine that's super
Speaker 3: duper psychic who's mentioned that. It's like, oh that huh,
Speaker 3: that's their way to find them. That's horrible, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Absolutely horrible? So yeah, let's give a round of applause
Speaker 3: for this person stepping forward and the face of such
Speaker 3: threat that definitely still exists. And I think I heard
Speaker 3: doctor Greer speaking to that, with the many whistleblowers being
Speaker 3: put at risk and harmed quite literally. All right, So, bedeviled, tantalized,
Speaker 3: and all these words, I'm digging here, all right, So continuing,
Speaker 3: they say. For many bit for many decades, the Air
Speaker 3: Force carried out a disinformation campaign to discredit reported sightings
Speaker 3: of unexplained objects. Now, with two public care and many
Speaker 3: classified briefings under its belt, Congress is pressing for answers.
Speaker 2: Carl E.
Speaker 3: Nell, a recently retired Army colonel and current aerospace executive
Speaker 3: who was the Army's liaison for the UAP Task Force
Speaker 3: from twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two and worked
Speaker 3: with Groosh there, characterizes Groosh as beyond reproach. Christopher Mellon,
Speaker 3: who spent nearly twenty years in the US intelligence community
Speaker 3: and served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence,
Speaker 3: has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena. Well,
Speaker 3: then that would make me think he sure does know
Speaker 3: and hold the keys to some information. Nope, nope, I'm
Speaker 3: just reaching here. I'm just reaching you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: stop here because we've got to get to our first break.
Speaker 3: This is amazing, it's amazing, and I'm glad. I'm glad
Speaker 3: somebody's talking, somebody's taking a step forward. But again, it
Speaker 3: is it is hard for me somebody within the military
Speaker 3: government being the one to disseminate information. So I always
Speaker 3: say be cautious. All right, you guys, you are listening
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Speaker 3: Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
Speaker 3: me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio at Coast to
Speaker 3: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are having a very
Speaker 3: warm conversation about the whistle blower that has step forward
Speaker 3: in regards to their being recovered craft and everybody knows
Speaker 3: it and they're not sharing and we have somebody that
Speaker 3: has taken those steps forward and it is greatly appreciated.
Speaker 3: And you know, my last comment just before the break
Speaker 3: is telling about my position on some of these things
Speaker 3: being that my reasons because you know, my own family
Speaker 3: was involved in these things and I was none the wiser.
Speaker 3: I had no idea, that's the that's the words. I
Speaker 3: didn't know, you know. So here it is in my
Speaker 3: own family. I'm writing books on such things, and here
Speaker 3: there was a keyholder under the same roof, you know.
Speaker 3: So I'm always a little bit skeptical when it comes
Speaker 3: to those who are owned by those that pull the
Speaker 3: strings in the government. They held these things for decades.
Speaker 3: I wonder what they had to do to keep that secret. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what kind of threat is that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: What could you dangle over someone's head to keep a
Speaker 3: secret among thousands of military people for decades A bonus,
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think there was a whole
Speaker 3: lot of heavy handed stuff, and I think there were
Speaker 3: a lot of people made examples of if they spoke,
Speaker 3: you know. But I have to give it to our
Speaker 3: servicemen and women who did their duty. They did, and
Speaker 3: many have confessed and told their loved ones what they've experienced,
Speaker 3: what they've done, And you know, that's how it's helped
Speaker 3: us to stand where we are today, those of us
Speaker 3: in these fields that are uncovering so much out there.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: Before I continue with the story, I'm reading from the
Speaker 3: debrief dot org and speaking to what it is that
Speaker 3: Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene have written in regards to
Speaker 3: a whistleblower. But I want to remind you guys to
Speaker 3: go to Heidihollis dot com or Shadowfolks dot com if
Speaker 3: you want to check out my various books I've got there.
Speaker 3: On the introductory to Shadow People, that book is called
Speaker 3: The Secret War, and the original subtitle was The Heaven
Speaker 3: Speak of the Battle. Now it's about a real shadow
Speaker 3: People battle between.
Speaker 4: Aliens, uh huh.
Speaker 3: And then i have Jesus no Joke. And I've got
Speaker 3: several other books there, and the hat Man book. Again. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm that person that first named defined and told the
Speaker 3: world and warned them about these beings for a very
Speaker 3: very big reason that I hope to be speaking too
Speaker 3: soon about because a lot of people take those bits
Speaker 3: of information that I put out there in regards to
Speaker 3: these cree but they don't have the full story just yet.
Speaker 3: And it's a coming. It's a coming, all right. To continue,
Speaker 3: all right, it's a quote. It says a number of
Speaker 3: well placed current and former officials have shared detailed information
Speaker 3: with me regarding this alleged program, including insights into the history,
Speaker 3: governing documents, and the location where a craft was allegedly
Speaker 3: abandoned and recovered. Mellon said, However, it is a delicate
Speaker 3: matter getting this potentially explosive information into the right hands
Speaker 3: for validation. This is made harder by the fact that
Speaker 3: rightly or wrongly. A number of potential sources do not
Speaker 3: trust the leadership of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office
Speaker 3: established by Congress. What was I just talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's some trust issues. So it's not just me. It's
Speaker 3: not just me, you know. I hate to sound skeptical
Speaker 3: because I am very happy our government has taken a
Speaker 3: step forward and it's discussing, at least discussing this instead
Speaker 3: of pooh poohing making fun of, you know, little tongue
Speaker 3: in cheek stuff as the president of the United States
Speaker 3: isn't even allowed to know information. But one thing I
Speaker 3: will tell you guys, though my father haven't been part
Speaker 3: of the military and part of what it is I
Speaker 3: was discussing, he helped invent things, you know, for the government,
Speaker 3: for military, and these things have never surfaced that he
Speaker 3: helped create. So who's using it? You know, who's using it?
Speaker 3: I know that he said anything that you see our
Speaker 3: government shows our technology to be like the latest craft
Speaker 3: that they have or whatever. He's like, it's at least
Speaker 3: a minimum of twenty years old, Heidi, twenty years So
Speaker 3: that means there are people living way above where we're living,
Speaker 3: all right way above. They keep it to themselves. You know,
Speaker 3: I get it. It's also to keep the country safe.
Speaker 3: But also there are a lot of luxuries that go
Speaker 3: into that, a lot of luxuries, and only those at
Speaker 3: the top are enjoying those spoils. Where did they get
Speaker 3: the technology from? Sometimes I think it's kind of obvious.
Speaker 3: It isn't always ours, right, Yeah, So there you have it. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to continue. But some insiders are now willing
Speaker 3: to take the risk, and the risk is still there,
Speaker 3: guys of coming forward for the first time with knowledge
Speaker 3: of these recovery programs UFO recovery.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Somebody that I know spoke to that in her book
Speaker 3: So American Cosmic. That would be Diana Pasolka. She spoke
Speaker 3: of this in her book in Detailed Religion Scholar talking
Speaker 3: on that right, Okay, So continuing. Jonathan Gray is a
Speaker 3: generational officer of the United States intelligence community with a
Speaker 3: top secret clearance who currently works for the National Air
Speaker 3: and Space Intelligence Center. So that's nasik NASIC where the
Speaker 3: analysis of UAP has been his main focus. Previously, he
Speaker 3: had experienced serving private aerospace and Department of Defense Special
Speaker 3: Directive task Forces. And this is the quote. The non
Speaker 3: human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone. Gray said,
Speaker 3: Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States.
Speaker 3: This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution
Speaker 3: continues to elude us. So everybody's hiding it from us, Guys, everybody.
Speaker 3: Everybody thought they were better and knew better for us
Speaker 3: and kept it to them. So now is it a
Speaker 3: matter of national security if everybody's got one. I'm thinking no.
Speaker 3: I think that somebody was really having a good old
Speaker 3: time having this knowledge. A lot of somebody's just my point,
Speaker 3: my opinion. That's that's all I'm just saying. Okay, all right.
Speaker 3: At the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, Groos served as a
Speaker 3: senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer. It's a lot of big titles,
Speaker 3: cleared at the top secret forward slash secret compartmented information level,
Speaker 3: and was the agency's senior Technical advisor for Unidentified aerial
Speaker 3: Phenomena analysis forward slash trans medium issues. What man, I
Speaker 3: would have to like memorize what my title was if
Speaker 3: that was me. It's just a lot, okay. From twenty
Speaker 3: sixteen to twenty twenty one, he served with the National
Speaker 3: Reconnaissance Office as Senior Intelligence officer and led the production
Speaker 3: of the NRO Director's Daily Briefing. Grousch was a GS
Speaker 3: fifteen civilian Wow, the military equivalent of a colonel. That's
Speaker 3: a high rank. Grusche has served as an intelligence officer
Speaker 3: for over fourteen years. A veteran of the Air Force,
Speaker 3: he has numerous awards and decorations for his participation in
Speaker 3: covert and clandestine operations to advance American security. According to
Speaker 3: a twenty twenty one NRO performance report, Grousche was an
Speaker 3: intelligence strategist with multiple responsibilities who analyzed unidentified aerial phenomena
Speaker 3: reports and boosted congressional leadership intel gaps in understanding. He
Speaker 3: was assessed by the Reconnaissance Office's Operation City Deputy Director
Speaker 3: as an adept staff officer and strategists and total force
Speaker 3: integrator and innovative solutions and actionable results like all of
Speaker 3: these these these these titles, they're they're in quotes, lots
Speaker 3: of quotes, lots of quotes. It's just amazing. But so
Speaker 3: he analyzed unidentified aero phenomena, right, Yeah, that's what he did,
Speaker 3: and he was in charge of a lot of it.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you right here, right now that I
Speaker 3: know that my father did something similar, and I believe
Speaker 3: it's the first time I'm speaking to that is right
Speaker 3: here on the air on my own show. Yeah, twenty
Speaker 3: three years Air Force running a NORAD station. That was
Speaker 3: my dad, yep, and didn't have a clue. Guys didn't
Speaker 3: have a clue. Wonder what they held over his head.
Speaker 3: I don't know his family, you know, his security, his life.
Speaker 3: I don't know, pension, all that stuff. Who knows? I
Speaker 3: don't know because I didn't know. Okay, all right. Groosh
Speaker 3: prepared many briefs on unidentified aero phenomena for Congress while
Speaker 3: in government and help draft the language on UAP for
Speaker 3: the FY twenty twenty three National Defense Authorization Act, spearheaded
Speaker 3: by Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Marco Rubio. Yeah, his name
Speaker 3: is all over this stuff a lot, and signed it
Speaker 3: to law by President Biden in December of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: The provision states that any person with relevant UAP information
Speaker 3: can inform Congress without retaliation, regardless of any previous non
Speaker 3: disclosure agreements. A lot of people don't feel safe with that, still,
Speaker 3: go figure, I don't know, because slip and falls happen right.
Speaker 3: In a statement cleared for publication by the Pentagon in April,
Speaker 3: Grush asserted that UFO legacy programs have long been concealed
Speaker 3: within multiple agencies, nesting UAP activities in conventional secret access
Speaker 3: programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities. Oh boy,
Speaker 3: so a lot of stuff is just a ruse.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm reading into this. Okay, you guys, you
Speaker 3: know what. We've got another break coming up here. This
Speaker 3: is a nice lengthy article and it is greatly appreciated
Speaker 3: because we're learning a lot, aren't we. And I'm confessing
Speaker 3: all right, you guys. You are listening to Dark to
Speaker 3: Complete with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast
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Speaker 4: We see you at Welcome Back.
Speaker 3: You are listening to doct Becomes Life with me Heidi
Speaker 3: Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coddam Paranormal Podcast Network. Well,
Speaker 3: today it's been a fascinating today. I'm doing a little
Speaker 3: confessing and somebody is whistleblowing on the whole UFO recovery
Speaker 3: program that's been going on, and so we're just reading
Speaker 3: it from the source right here online from thedebrief dot org.
Speaker 3: And I got to remind you guys to go to
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Speaker 3: odd things or drawings of things that you guys have
Speaker 3: been experiencing out there, because I like to go through them,
Speaker 3: and everybody here on the show that listens likes to
Speaker 3: also hear the pulling back of the layers of the
Speaker 3: onion that sometimes can be painful, sometimes very overwhelming, other
Speaker 3: times enthralling, and we triumph in finding out some answers.
Speaker 3: All right, you guys, let me get on back here
Speaker 3: to this story, because this is amazing. Leslie Keene Ralph
Speaker 3: Blumenthal wrote this onthdebrief dot org and I'm blown away.
Speaker 3: I'm blown away, And I'm also sharing about some of
Speaker 3: the things that my own family, my father also was
Speaker 3: involved with having been a senior noncommissioned officer for NORAD.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 3: Yep, didn't know, did not know, didn't stop me getting
Speaker 3: military abductions because they figured, well, he must have told
Speaker 3: her something. Here she is writing books on it, right. Well,
Speaker 3: I didn't know, And no, I wasn't part of any
Speaker 3: kind of what are those programs that a lot of
Speaker 3: people whose parents were part of the military and they
Speaker 3: volunteered them to take part in these experiments like to
Speaker 3: fly craft and to be tested on things. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I didn't have any of that. Wasn't a part of it,
Speaker 3: but it was. That was a huge program. A lot
Speaker 3: of people were involved. I have no memories of that.
Speaker 3: Was I taken and interrogated about craft and beings?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: While I was in college military abductions yep, M yeah,
Speaker 3: I had that. Lucky me.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: But there's a reason behind all of this, and gotta wonder.
Speaker 3: Gott to wonder why our faces are in a certain
Speaker 3: television series, my dad and myself and my sister in
Speaker 3: season three of the television spinoff of X Files called Millennium.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, all of our faces and names are there.
Speaker 3: It's something else go ahead and google Agent Hollis Millennium
Speaker 3: tell me what that is.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so any who, Continuing continuing with David Grusch, the
Speaker 3: UFO whistleblower, His story is amazing, all right, this is
Speaker 3: what it says. He said. He reported to Congress on
Speaker 3: the existence of a decades long, publicly unknown Cold War
Speaker 3: for recovered and exploited physical material exploit it. Okay, that
Speaker 3: means I used it for something, a competition with near
Speaker 3: peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes and landings. Landings, guys.
Speaker 3: So the craft landed and they charged it. Huh, and
Speaker 3: retrieved the material for exploitation reverse engineering to garner asymmetric
Speaker 3: national defense advantages. Well that makes sense to do that,
Speaker 3: but yeah. Beginning in twenty twenty two, Grooshe provided Congress
Speaker 3: with hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages,
Speaker 3: which included specific data about the material's recovery program. Congress
Speaker 3: has not been provided with any physical materials related to
Speaker 3: wreckage or other non human objects, now why not. Grush's
Speaker 3: investigation was centered on extensive interviews with high level intelligence officials,
Speaker 3: some of whom are directly involved with the program. He
Speaker 3: says the operation was illegally shielded from proper congression oversight
Speaker 3: and that he was targeted and harassed because of his investigation. Hmm,
Speaker 3: you know, guys, Arrow, okay, Arrow, that is a program
Speaker 3: that has been put on display to go through and
Speaker 3: debrief everybody on their findings. And all they've been talking
Speaker 3: about is how eh, yeah, we looked, but nothing's really alien.
Speaker 3: You know, we're still talking about somebody's got some really
Speaker 3: cool stuff out there, right for the most part, That's
Speaker 3: what I'm hearing. And it's been frustrating. And this is
Speaker 3: what I mean. We're trusting the left hand while the
Speaker 3: right hand is just going, yeehaw, boy, we got some
Speaker 3: good stuff this time on this hall. We put our
Speaker 3: trust into what I mean, why would they be honest
Speaker 3: all of a sudden? Why why would they take these
Speaker 3: steps forward all of a sudden? Is to control the narrative. Right,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of craft flying all over the place,
Speaker 3: and they've been really good at keeping it hushed up.
Speaker 3: But my goodness, enough is enough? Enough is enough. I'd
Speaker 3: known too many people sacrifice too much, including myself, just
Speaker 3: to allow this to keep happening. Is it really always defense?
Speaker 3: You know, I see how we could get a leg up,
Speaker 3: but the other folks around the world are doing the
Speaker 3: same thing. So I don't know. You know, I see
Speaker 3: these old movies where people fall on the sword for
Speaker 3: their country, right, and I'm surprised there haven't been a
Speaker 3: whole ton more that just stepped forward right away and
Speaker 3: just said, hey, you know, we don't have to pay
Speaker 3: electric bills anymore because there is like this technology. You know,
Speaker 3: we don't have to have homeless because we can provide
Speaker 3: because we got this new technology and this other technolog
Speaker 3: she does this, and it does that, and it could
Speaker 3: cover this for us. You know, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: just like, I think a lot of people have died
Speaker 3: over this subject, that it's the number one thing that's
Speaker 3: hidden in the world just so people can benefit secretly,
Speaker 3: not greatly, not hugely, you know, just individuals, just so
Speaker 3: they're okay, they're okay, what about the rest of us.
Speaker 3: We're paying the bills, right, Okay, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 4: I really am.
Speaker 3: There's so much of the story left yet I have
Speaker 3: to read faster, all right. So Grooce said that the
Speaker 3: craft or covery operations are ongoing at various levels of activity,
Speaker 3: and that he knows the specific individuals current and former
Speaker 3: who are involved. Individuals on these up programs is the
Speaker 3: quote approached me in my official capacity and disclose their
Speaker 3: concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings such as illegal contracting
Speaker 3: against the federal acquisitions regulations and their criminality and the
Speaker 3: suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia,
Speaker 3: he stated, So that means like the professors and stuff,
Speaker 3: they all got this and they're all drooling over it
Speaker 3: and having a good old time with it, talking among
Speaker 3: their big heads. You know who, we know something the
Speaker 3: rest of the world doesn't know because you know, we're underpaid.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna just hold this over their heads. Ah,
Speaker 3: this is just this is evil, guys, This is evil.
Speaker 3: This is evil. We know this is going on though,
Speaker 3: those of us in these fields. This is evil though.
Speaker 3: How mean can it selfish?
Speaker 4: Can you be?
Speaker 3: So they were made to sign NDA's They were giving
Speaker 3: all this information. Here's some cool toys. Show us what
Speaker 3: you can do with it. Just keep it to yourself.
Speaker 3: Make sure we got homeless people in the world, and
Speaker 3: cancer still thrives because you know, pharmaceuticals got to make
Speaker 3: their money. Oh okay, I'm just I'm just speculating, just speculating,
Speaker 3: all right. Continuing, Chet, who vouch for Groose, said his
Speaker 3: information was highly sensitive, providing evidence that materials from objects
Speaker 3: of non human origins are in the possession of highly
Speaker 3: secret black programs. I guess they're now selling drugs anymore.
Speaker 3: It's just this, although locations, program names, and other specific
Speaker 3: data remain classified. I'm sorry, I said that. The I'm
Speaker 3: speaking from information that's been provided to the government, okay,
Speaker 3: about government selling drugs for black projects. That's been investigated
Speaker 3: a gazillion times, hasn't it? All right? So continuing, All
Speaker 3: though locations, program names, and other specific data remain classified,
Speaker 3: the Inspector General and Intelligence Committee staff were provided with
Speaker 3: these details. Several current members of the recovery program spoke
Speaker 3: to the Inspector General's office and corroborated the information Groosh
Speaker 3: had provided for the classified complaint. Grush left the government
Speaker 3: on April seventh, twenty twenty three, in order, he said,
Speaker 3: to advance government accountability. Well, all right, Grush through public awareness.
Speaker 3: He remains well supported within intelligence circles, and numerous sources
Speaker 3: have vouched for his credibility. I'm liking this guy his assertion,
Speaker 3: but again, it's government. I'm sorry. His assertion concerning the
Speaker 3: existence of terrestrial arms race occurring subrosa over the past
Speaker 3: eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin
Speaker 3: is fundamentally correct, as is the indisputable realization that at
Speaker 3: least some of these technologies of unknown origin derived from
Speaker 3: non human intelligence, said Carl Nell, the retired Army colonel
Speaker 3: who worked with Groosh on the UAP task Force. In
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty two performance evaluation, Laura Potter, Deputy Chief
Speaker 3: of Staff for Intelligence Headquarters, Department of the Army, described
Speaker 3: now as an officer with the strongest possible moral compass.
Speaker 3: Groosh is represented by Charles mc mcgullough, the third senior
Speaker 3: partner of the Compass Rose Legal Group in Washington and
Speaker 3: the original Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, confirm the
Speaker 3: US Senate in twenty eleven. At that time, McCullough, I
Speaker 3: hope I'm saying that right. Reported directly to the then
Speaker 3: Director of National Intelligence, James R. Clapper, and oversaw intelligence
Speaker 3: officers responsible for audits, inspections, and investigations. On May twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two, McCullough filed a Disclosure of Urgent Concerns complaint
Speaker 3: of reprisal on behalf of Groosh with the ICIG about
Speaker 3: detailed information that Groosh had gathered beginning in twenty nineteen
Speaker 3: while working for the UP Task Force. An unclassified version
Speaker 3: of the complaint provided to US states at Groosh has
Speaker 3: direct knowledge that uIP related classified information has been withheld
Speaker 3: and or concealed from Congress by elements of the Intelligence Committee,
Speaker 3: and we heard that part to purposely intentionally thwart legitimate
Speaker 3: Congressional oversight of the UP program. All testimony Groosh provided
Speaker 3: for the classified complaint has provided under both Wow, I
Speaker 3: cannot believe how huge this article is. There's so much
Speaker 3: more to read here, and I'm gonna kind of do
Speaker 3: it in little divisions. Come about that because I want
Speaker 3: to get some other comments in here. But you guys,
Speaker 3: you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Speaker 3: Hollis on the iHeartRadio at Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Speaker 3: Podcast Network.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back, welcome back.
Speaker 3: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi
Speaker 3: Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Speaker 3: podcast network. We are going through the debrief dot org.
Speaker 3: We are going through this whistleblowing UFO David Gruch. He
Speaker 3: is laying it down, absolutely, telling what he knows about
Speaker 3: the truth and what has been hidden out there in
Speaker 3: the world when it comes to retrieving craft and knowing
Speaker 3: about them for decades people decades. So continuing this article
Speaker 3: and then I'm going to go into some commentary on us,
Speaker 3: because wow is a mouthful, all right. So, according to
Speaker 3: the Unclassified Complaints, in July twenty twenty one, Brush had
Speaker 3: confidentially provided classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector
Speaker 3: General concerning the withholding of UAP related information from Congress.
Speaker 3: He believed that his identity and the fact that he
Speaker 3: had provided testimony were disclosed to individuals and or entities
Speaker 3: within the Department of Defense and the intelligence community outside
Speaker 3: the IG's office. You don't say, hmm, I can't understand
Speaker 3: why they would do such a thing. They have protections
Speaker 3: out there now, right, Yeah, he did not allege that
Speaker 3: this information was improper disclosed by any member of that office,
Speaker 3: but as a result Groosh suffered months of retaliation and
Speaker 3: reprisals related to these disclosures, beginning in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: He asked that details of these reprisals be withheld to
Speaker 3: protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation. The Intelligence Community
Speaker 3: Inspector General found this complaint credible and urgent in July
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. According to Grush, a summary was immediately
Speaker 3: submitted to the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Hines or Haines,
Speaker 3: the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and the House Permanent
Speaker 3: Select Committee on Intelligence. The complaint was drafted and signed
Speaker 3: by McCullough and his managing partner. It ended with Grush's
Speaker 3: signature attached to his statement that I do solemnly affirm,
Speaker 3: under the policies of perjury, that the contents of the
Speaker 3: foregoing paper are true and correct to the best of
Speaker 3: my knowledge. A whistleblower reprisal investigation was launched, and Groosch
Speaker 3: began his committeecation with the staff of the Congressional intelligence
Speaker 3: committees in private, closed door sessions. According to Groosh, certain
Speaker 3: information which he obtained in his investigation could not be
Speaker 3: put before congressional staffer is because they did not have
Speaker 3: the necessary clearances or the appropriate investigative authority.
Speaker 4: I'm reading it.
Speaker 3: Fast, guys, the representative of the House Permanent Select Committee
Speaker 3: on Intelligence told us in March. Yet the committee members
Speaker 3: are not able to comment on the content of a
Speaker 3: complaint or confirm the identity of a complainant. And this
Speaker 3: is the quote. When you have multiple agencies nesting UAP
Speaker 3: activities in conventional SAPCAP programs, both as recipients of exploitation
Speaker 3: related insights and for operational reasons, without appropriate reporting to
Speaker 3: various oversight authorities, you have a problem, Groosh said, referencing
Speaker 3: the highly secret special access programs and controlled access programs.
Speaker 3: Grush's willing us to take risks and speak appears to
Speaker 3: be emboldening others with similar knowledge who believe in greater transparency,
Speaker 3: like myself, as I'm doing right now talking about my
Speaker 3: father and his involvement with some things. But I can't
Speaker 3: prove anything, right, all right, So Jonathan Gray, the intelligence
Speaker 3: officer specializing UAP analysis at the National Air and Space
Speaker 3: Intelligence Center, is speaking publicly for the first time, identified
Speaker 3: here under the identity he uses inside the agency. NASIK,
Speaker 3: headquartered in Wright Patterson Air Force Base, is a Department
Speaker 3: of Defence's primary Air Force source for foreign air and
Speaker 3: space threat analysis. My dad was over there. Its mission
Speaker 3: is to discover and characterize air, space, missile and cyber threats.
Speaker 3: According to the agency's website, the center's team of trusted
Speaker 3: subject matter experts deliver unique collection, exploitation, analytic capabilities not
Speaker 3: found elsewhere. Gray said that such immense capabilities are not
Speaker 3: merely relegated to the study of the prosaic. This is
Speaker 3: a quote. The existence of complex historical programs involving the
Speaker 3: coordinated retrieval and study of exotic materials dating back to
Speaker 3: the early twentieth century should no longer remain a secret.
Speaker 3: What did he say that? That's amazing. The majority of
Speaker 3: retrieved for ing exotic materials have a prosaic terrestrial explanation
Speaker 3: and origin, but not all in any number higher than
Speaker 3: zero in this category represents an undeniably significant statistical percentage.
Speaker 3: It is unusual for an Air Force insider to come forward,
Speaker 3: as the Air Force has been less forthcoming than other
Speaker 3: agencies with regard to UAP. And this is a quote.
Speaker 3: A vast array of our most sophisticated sensors, including space
Speaker 3: based platforms, have been utilized by different agencies, typically intriplicate
Speaker 3: to observe the accurately identify the out of this world nature,
Speaker 3: performance and design of these anomalous machines, which are then
Speaker 3: determined not to be of earthly origin. It's not something Melon.
Speaker 3: The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has
Speaker 3: been instrumental in arranging classified briefings for members of Congress
Speaker 3: and other officials about UAP, which include references to exotic
Speaker 3: retrieved materials. The first briefing he facilitated on retrievals of
Speaker 3: Unexplained Objects was provided to staff members of the Senate
Speaker 3: Armed Services Committee on October twenty first, twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 3: to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later,
Speaker 3: as reported by The New York Times. We all remember that,
Speaker 3: don't we. So Mellon says that once the members of
Speaker 3: Congress gain greater awareness of the information provided to their
Speaker 3: staff and the Inspector General, they will be in a
Speaker 3: position to quickly determine the truth if they have the
Speaker 3: will to do so. So they got to still determine
Speaker 3: the truth. Huh wow. This is an unprecedented oversight challenge
Speaker 3: for the committees. But I believe we have leaders in
Speaker 3: Congress who are up to the task. Mellan said, whoo
Speaker 3: oh boy. I really want to end it there, I do,
Speaker 3: I really do, but I want to talk to one
Speaker 3: part of this article. Doctor Gary Nolan, a professor in
Speaker 3: the Department of Pathology at Stanford University and renowned inventor
Speaker 3: and entrepreneur with more than three hundred published papers, has
Speaker 3: started over half a dozen companies based on technologies out
Speaker 3: of his laboratory. Nolan has previously applied some of those
Speaker 3: technologies to the analysis of exotic materials, publishing the first
Speaker 3: peer reviewed paper examining such materials. And this is the quote.
Speaker 3: Human civilization was utterly transformed by something as small as
Speaker 3: a grain of silicon, creating the underpinning of the integrated
Speaker 3: circuits that underlie computation and now even artificial intelligence. Nolan
Speaker 3: said studying even small samples of purported anomalous material could
Speaker 3: lead to currently inconceivable benefits for humanity. He said, this
Speaker 3: is the quote. What might be represented here could be
Speaker 3: hundreds of technology revolutions ahead of us. It could be
Speaker 3: more transformative for humanity than what the microprocessor accomplished. Imagine
Speaker 3: what we could do with even a grain of knowledge
Speaker 3: about how they operate. Well, I think it was already
Speaker 3: stated in here that different universities and those within them
Speaker 3: were given this material already, right, So probably hasn't Stanford
Speaker 3: has to be up the top of the list with it. So,
Speaker 3: but I don't think everybody's comfortable in speaking to all
Speaker 3: that they know just yet, not naming any names, just
Speaker 3: saying because somebody's got this, somebody has this information. I mean,
Speaker 3: my own father did and didn't say a word, did
Speaker 3: not say a word, and he wasn't believed or trusted either.
Speaker 3: So hey, let's go interrogate her his daughter. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: where are we going with this? This is the last
Speaker 3: quote I want to read from here. I hope this
Speaker 3: revelation serves as an ontological shock, sociologically and provides a
Speaker 3: generally uniting issue for nations of the world to reassess
Speaker 3: their priorities grushe said, And again this from Leslie Keane.
Speaker 3: Ralph Bloomenthal with Helen Cooper co authored on this. You know,
Speaker 3: there's so much, there's so much to unpack here, guys,
Speaker 3: we all knew well I was talking about it. Anyways.
Speaker 3: You can't fully trust if there is a government entity
Speaker 3: controlling this message when they have harassed people in these
Speaker 3: fields for decades, harassed guys, I mean, been all over
Speaker 3: their lives saying, you know, I'm gonna burn down your
Speaker 3: fields farm. You're going to speak to that crash over
Speaker 3: there in Roswell, I'm going to do this to you.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do that to you. It's sad and terrific.
Speaker 3: If they could do those things, there's an agenda and
Speaker 3: there's a controlled message no matter what. So as our
Speaker 3: governments tried to wrangle how to display the truth about
Speaker 3: aliens and their existence and all that they have been
Speaker 3: doing with them for so very long, let's look at
Speaker 3: what the Church has said about this. So there was
Speaker 3: a Time magazine article Elizabeth Dias wrote May fourteenth, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: Pope Francis brought up Martians as he was preaching about
Speaker 3: a specific New Testament story. Early Christians were wondering if
Speaker 3: Jews and Gentiles could associate, and God gave the apostle
Speaker 3: Peter a vision that salvation extended beyond the deepest cultural divides.
Speaker 3: It was a moment of internal crisis for the early church.
Speaker 3: Quote that was unthinkable. Francis explained and to show just
Speaker 3: how unthinkable it was. He added, if, for example, tomorrow
Speaker 3: an expedition of Martians came and some of them came
Speaker 3: to us. Here Martians right green with that long nose
Speaker 3: and big ears, just like children paint them, and one says,
Speaker 3: but I want to be baptized, what would happen? The
Speaker 3: church today should learn from the early church. France has
Speaker 3: explained that it cannot close its doors to anyone that
Speaker 3: which God has purified, as a scripture says, no one
Speaker 3: can call profane. It was never the ministry to close
Speaker 3: the door.
Speaker 4: Never.
Speaker 3: Well, isn't that interesting, you guys? So you know the
Speaker 3: churches will need to explain that God is able to
Speaker 3: create even outside of this planet, because I believe that,
Speaker 3: and I still believe in God, I still know that
Speaker 3: Jesus is real and all the in betweens. But oh,
Speaker 3: it's going to be interesting this year to watch how
Speaker 3: this all plays out, because they really have a playbook.
Speaker 3: It feels anymore. All right, you guys, We've come to
Speaker 3: the bottom of another fabulous program. Don't forget to go
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Speaker 3: at one Heidi Hollis and at the Outlanders comic. This
Speaker 3: is this is thought provoking stuff. Guys. We really need
Speaker 3: to think about what is going on here? What is
Speaker 3: the prize? What is it that people are aiming for?
Speaker 3: God is good. God creates and aliens exist, and.
Speaker 4: So do we.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen the ones with the big long nose
Speaker 3: that Francis was speaking of, but hey, you know there
Speaker 3: could be. I just hope that we learned to get
Speaker 3: along better down here on this planet and create some balance.
Speaker 3: All right, you guys, you have been listening to Dark
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Speaker 3: Stay safe, everybody, goodbye and God Happy birthday Dan.
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