1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Norian. Welcome to the new iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM paranormal podcast network. Like us on Facebook, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: tell your friends and share us with everyone. This is 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: an exciting new network that will feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Now, please sit back and enjoy Dark 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: to cost AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 13 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: You are listening to darklycomslike with Me Tidy Hollis on 14 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio and Coach the Coast AM sarh Armal's podcast network. 15 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 3: Welcome to my show. Remember each week this is the 16 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: place where you get the latest news on the strangest 17 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: of things out there and the planet and the planet 18 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: on the planet too, and also your personal stories. I 19 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: don't care what is going on. If you've seen shadow 20 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: people hat Man dealt with Bigfoot, had missing time, UFOs, 21 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 3: out of body experiences. I mean, we tried to go 22 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: through the layers and best understand and approach it on 23 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: the level because nobody has all the others right, We're 24 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 3: all just kind of caring this out. And I always 25 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 3: say I'm someone who has been there seeing that, experienced it, 26 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: freaked out. Founder Answers wrote about it, got over it, 27 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: and now I'm trying to help others to do the 28 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: same thing. And I want you to go to my 29 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: main website and share your experiences, tell me what's going 30 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: on so we could discuss it here on the program, 31 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: or if you want to come on the show, you're 32 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: We're always welcome to do that. Nine times out of 33 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: ten people prefer to just write me, which is okay, 34 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: but go to shadowfolks dot com or Heidihollis dot com. 35 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: They both go to the same website. And I also 36 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: want to tell you guys, find me on social media 37 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: at one put a one in front of Heidi Hollis, 38 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: that's h E I D I H O L L 39 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: I S and tell me your stories. I do answer 40 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 3: my messages. I do answer my emails. It could take 41 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 3: a little time sometimes, but I swear to you I 42 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 3: get to it. And yes, I have weird stuff that 43 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: happens to my emails sometimes where I don't know what happens. 44 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 3: Suddenly I'll get a big dump of emails and I'm like, 45 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: where'd that come from? It's like a year old. It's 46 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: so odd. 47 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 4: It is so odd. 48 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: But you know, when you're getting filtered somehow, these things 49 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: can happen. Uh, you know what. And I also want 50 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 3: to invite you guys to go check out the Outlanders 51 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: coomic dot com or at the Outlanders comic on Instagram 52 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 3: because I do a paranormal comic strip, always looking into 53 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 3: the stranger things and having a twist. That's all I ever 54 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 3: wanted to be was a comic strip artist because it's 55 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: a lot more fun. And also I want to tell 56 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: you guys, this show for today is hot off the presses. Okay, 57 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: hot off the presses? What do I mean by that? 58 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: Did you hear the news? An intelligence official says the 59 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: US has retrieved craft of non human origin. M yep, 60 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: I said it. I did. So we're gonna go over 61 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: that and a couple of other positions. When it comes 62 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: to the church and how they view these topics because 63 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: it's a crazy world out there, and how people can 64 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: how can I say approach these things? Is anybody correct? 65 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: Is anybody right? Is everybody wrong? Who knows? But we're 66 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: gonna We're gonna go through this because it's kind of 67 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: important and since this is just being released today, I 68 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: think it's highly important. Okay, So I'm gonna read this 69 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: from Thebrief dot org. And oh first, I want to 70 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: finish telling you guys, when you go to my main 71 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: website sending me your stories, tell me as many details 72 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: as you can. Make the email humungous. And if you 73 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: have photos or drawings, send those to Heidihallis at gmail 74 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: dot com. All right, okay, okay, okay, now I'm back 75 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: on track. Say look, oh man, I swear to you. 76 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: So okay, this comes to us from Thebrief dot org 77 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: And this was written by Leslie Keene met her Ralph 78 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: Blumenthal interviewed him on this program, and it says a 79 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 3: former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the 80 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 3: Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert 81 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact 82 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 3: craft of non human origin. Now we all I'm just 83 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: me talking. Now, we all know that this is not 84 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 3: brand new to the world because a lot of regular 85 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: folks have seen our government retrieve such things and also abroad. 86 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 3: This is something that gets reported, So that part is 87 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: not new. What's new is having somebody in the ranks 88 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 3: say it happened, all right, So continuing, the information he 89 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: says has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed 90 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his 91 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: confidential disclosures reported here for the first time. This is huge, guys, 92 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: this is huge. Absolutely. Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, 93 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, 94 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off 95 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: the record. The whistleblower, David Charles Groosch thirty six, a 96 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of 97 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency NGA and the National Reconnaissance 98 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 3: Office NRO. He served as the Reconnaissance Office's representative to 99 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: the Sorry Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from twenty nineteen 100 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 3: to twenty twenty one, so from late one to July 101 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two he was the mnga's co lead for 102 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: UAP analysis and its representative to the task Force. So 103 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: he's legit huge, very huge, all right. The task Force 104 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: was established to investigate what were once called unidentified flying 105 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: objects or UFOs. I prefer that term. My hand is raised, okay, guys, 106 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: and are now officially called officially unidentified anomalist phenomena. Used 107 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: to be called aerial phenomena, but now it's anomalous or UAP. 108 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: The task Force was led by the Department of the 109 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: Navy under the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense 110 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: for Intelligence and Security. Has since been reorganized and expanded 111 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: into the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to include investigations 112 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: of objects operating underwater. 113 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: HMM. 114 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: Griff said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up 115 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the 116 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors. 117 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: To hear that for decades, they're acknowledging that. He's acknowledging 118 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: it that they've been grabbing at these vehicles, all right. 119 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: People have written about these things forever. It's just amazing 120 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: to me. Okay analysis has determined that the objects retrieved 121 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 3: are of exotic origin, non human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or 122 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: unknown origin, based on the vehicle morphologies and material science 123 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures, 124 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: he said in file telling his complaint. Groosh is represented 125 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: by a lawyer who served as the original Intelligence Community 126 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 3: Inspector General or ICIG. And this is a quote. We 127 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 3: are not talking about prosaic origins or identities, Groosh said, 128 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. The 129 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 3: material includes intact and partially intact vehicles in accordance with protocols, 130 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: Groosh provided the Defense Office of Pre Publication and Security 131 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: Review at the Department of Defense with information he intended 132 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: to disclose to US. His on the record statements were 133 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: all cleared for open publication on April fourth and six, 134 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. In documents provided to US Grush's disclosures 135 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: and those non public witnesses under new protective provisions of 136 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: the latest Defense Appropriations Bill signal a growing determination by 137 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: some in the government to unravel a colossal enigma with 138 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: national security implications that has bedeviled the military, and tantalized 139 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 3: the public going back to World War II and beyond 140 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: those are some fancy words people. I like these words. Colossal, enigma, 141 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: that's amazing. 142 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 4: I like that. 143 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: I like that, tantalized. You know, hey, we're all in there. 144 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah about that new protective witness provision thing. I have 145 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 3: heard that some of these people whistleblowers is supposed to 146 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: protect whistleblowers right, have stepped forward only to be harassed 147 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: or killed. All right, that's sad, sad, and that that 148 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: was essentially created to you know, flush people out who 149 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 3: are willing to talk, just so they could point them out. 150 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: And that's coming from a friend of mine that's super 151 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 3: duper psychic who's mentioned that. It's like, oh that huh, 152 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: that's their way to find them. That's horrible, isn't it? 153 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely horrible? So yeah, let's give a round of applause 154 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: for this person stepping forward and the face of such 155 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: threat that definitely still exists. And I think I heard 156 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: doctor Greer speaking to that, with the many whistleblowers being 157 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 3: put at risk and harmed quite literally. All right, So, bedeviled, tantalized, 158 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 3: and all these words, I'm digging here, all right, So continuing, 159 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: they say. For many bit for many decades, the Air 160 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: Force carried out a disinformation campaign to discredit reported sightings 161 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: of unexplained objects. Now, with two public care and many 162 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: classified briefings under its belt, Congress is pressing for answers. 163 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 2: Carl E. 164 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: Nell, a recently retired Army colonel and current aerospace executive 165 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 3: who was the Army's liaison for the UAP Task Force 166 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: from twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two and worked 167 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: with Groosh there, characterizes Groosh as beyond reproach. Christopher Mellon, 168 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 3: who spent nearly twenty years in the US intelligence community 169 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: and served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, 170 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena. Well, 171 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: then that would make me think he sure does know 172 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: and hold the keys to some information. Nope, nope, I'm 173 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: just reaching here. I'm just reaching you know, I'm gonna 174 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: stop here because we've got to get to our first break. 175 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: This is amazing, it's amazing, and I'm glad. I'm glad 176 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: somebody's talking, somebody's taking a step forward. But again, it 177 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: is it is hard for me somebody within the military 178 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 3: government being the one to disseminate information. So I always 179 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: say be cautious. All right, you guys, you are listening 180 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the 181 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: iHeart Radio at Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 182 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 183 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio at Coast to 184 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are having a very 185 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: warm conversation about the whistle blower that has step forward 186 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: in regards to their being recovered craft and everybody knows 187 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: it and they're not sharing and we have somebody that 188 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: has taken those steps forward and it is greatly appreciated. 189 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: And you know, my last comment just before the break 190 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 3: is telling about my position on some of these things 191 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 3: being that my reasons because you know, my own family 192 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: was involved in these things and I was none the wiser. 193 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: I had no idea, that's the that's the words. I 194 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: didn't know, you know. So here it is in my 195 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: own family. I'm writing books on such things, and here 196 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: there was a keyholder under the same roof, you know. 197 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: So I'm always a little bit skeptical when it comes 198 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: to those who are owned by those that pull the 199 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: strings in the government. They held these things for decades. 200 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: I wonder what they had to do to keep that secret. Yeah, 201 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 3: what kind of threat is that? 202 00:14:59,320 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 4: You know? 203 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: What could you dangle over someone's head to keep a 204 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: secret among thousands of military people for decades A bonus, 205 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think there was a whole 206 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: lot of heavy handed stuff, and I think there were 207 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: a lot of people made examples of if they spoke, 208 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: you know. But I have to give it to our 209 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: servicemen and women who did their duty. They did, and 210 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: many have confessed and told their loved ones what they've experienced, 211 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 3: what they've done, And you know, that's how it's helped 212 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: us to stand where we are today, those of us 213 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: in these fields that are uncovering so much out there. 214 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 4: Now. 215 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: Before I continue with the story, I'm reading from the 216 00:15:54,240 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 3: debrief dot org and speaking to what it is that 217 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene have written in regards to 218 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 3: a whistleblower. But I want to remind you guys to 219 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 3: go to Heidihollis dot com or Shadowfolks dot com if 220 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: you want to check out my various books I've got there. 221 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: On the introductory to Shadow People, that book is called 222 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: The Secret War, and the original subtitle was The Heaven 223 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: Speak of the Battle. Now it's about a real shadow 224 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,479 Speaker 3: People battle between. 225 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 4: Aliens, uh huh. 226 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 3: And then i have Jesus no Joke. And I've got 227 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: several other books there, and the hat Man book. Again. Yeah, 228 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 3: I'm that person that first named defined and told the 229 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 3: world and warned them about these beings for a very 230 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: very big reason that I hope to be speaking too 231 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: soon about because a lot of people take those bits 232 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 3: of information that I put out there in regards to 233 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: these cree but they don't have the full story just yet. 234 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: And it's a coming. It's a coming, all right. To continue, 235 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: all right, it's a quote. It says a number of 236 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 3: well placed current and former officials have shared detailed information 237 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 3: with me regarding this alleged program, including insights into the history, 238 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 3: governing documents, and the location where a craft was allegedly 239 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 3: abandoned and recovered. Mellon said, However, it is a delicate 240 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 3: matter getting this potentially explosive information into the right hands 241 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 3: for validation. This is made harder by the fact that 242 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: rightly or wrongly. A number of potential sources do not 243 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: trust the leadership of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office 244 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 3: established by Congress. What was I just talking about. Yeah, 245 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: there's some trust issues. So it's not just me. It's 246 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: not just me, you know. I hate to sound skeptical 247 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 3: because I am very happy our government has taken a 248 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 3: step forward and it's discussing, at least discussing this instead 249 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: of pooh poohing making fun of, you know, little tongue 250 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 3: in cheek stuff as the president of the United States 251 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: isn't even allowed to know information. But one thing I 252 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: will tell you guys, though my father haven't been part 253 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 3: of the military and part of what it is I 254 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: was discussing, he helped invent things, you know, for the government, 255 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: for military, and these things have never surfaced that he 256 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 3: helped create. So who's using it? You know, who's using it? 257 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: I know that he said anything that you see our 258 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 3: government shows our technology to be like the latest craft 259 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 3: that they have or whatever. He's like, it's at least 260 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: a minimum of twenty years old, Heidi, twenty years So 261 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: that means there are people living way above where we're living, 262 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 3: all right way above. They keep it to themselves. You know, 263 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 3: I get it. It's also to keep the country safe. 264 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 3: But also there are a lot of luxuries that go 265 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: into that, a lot of luxuries, and only those at 266 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 3: the top are enjoying those spoils. Where did they get 267 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: the technology from? Sometimes I think it's kind of obvious. 268 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: It isn't always ours, right, Yeah, So there you have it. Okay, 269 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 3: I'm going to continue. But some insiders are now willing 270 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: to take the risk, and the risk is still there, 271 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 3: guys of coming forward for the first time with knowledge 272 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: of these recovery programs UFO recovery. 273 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 274 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: Somebody that I know spoke to that in her book 275 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 3: So American Cosmic. That would be Diana Pasolka. She spoke 276 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 3: of this in her book in Detailed Religion Scholar talking 277 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 3: on that right, Okay, So continuing. Jonathan Gray is a 278 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 3: generational officer of the United States intelligence community with a 279 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 3: top secret clearance who currently works for the National Air 280 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: and Space Intelligence Center. So that's nasik NASIC where the 281 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: analysis of UAP has been his main focus. Previously, he 282 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 3: had experienced serving private aerospace and Department of Defense Special 283 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 3: Directive task Forces. And this is the quote. The non 284 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 3: human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone. Gray said, 285 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 3: Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. 286 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution 287 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 3: continues to elude us. So everybody's hiding it from us, Guys, everybody. 288 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: Everybody thought they were better and knew better for us 289 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 3: and kept it to them. So now is it a 290 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 3: matter of national security if everybody's got one. I'm thinking no. 291 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 3: I think that somebody was really having a good old 292 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: time having this knowledge. A lot of somebody's just my point, 293 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 3: my opinion. That's that's all I'm just saying. Okay, all right. 294 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: At the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, Groos served as a 295 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer. It's a lot of big titles, 296 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 3: cleared at the top secret forward slash secret compartmented information level, 297 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: and was the agency's senior Technical advisor for Unidentified aerial 298 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 3: Phenomena analysis forward slash trans medium issues. What man, I 299 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 3: would have to like memorize what my title was if 300 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: that was me. It's just a lot, okay. From twenty 301 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 3: sixteen to twenty twenty one, he served with the National 302 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 3: Reconnaissance Office as Senior Intelligence officer and led the production 303 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 3: of the NRO Director's Daily Briefing. Grousch was a GS 304 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: fifteen civilian Wow, the military equivalent of a colonel. That's 305 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 3: a high rank. Grusche has served as an intelligence officer 306 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 3: for over fourteen years. A veteran of the Air Force, 307 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 3: he has numerous awards and decorations for his participation in 308 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 3: covert and clandestine operations to advance American security. According to 309 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: a twenty twenty one NRO performance report, Grousche was an 310 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 3: intelligence strategist with multiple responsibilities who analyzed unidentified aerial phenomena 311 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: reports and boosted congressional leadership intel gaps in understanding. He 312 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 3: was assessed by the Reconnaissance Office's Operation City Deputy Director 313 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 3: as an adept staff officer and strategists and total force 314 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 3: integrator and innovative solutions and actionable results like all of 315 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 3: these these these these titles, they're they're in quotes, lots 316 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 3: of quotes, lots of quotes. It's just amazing. But so 317 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 3: he analyzed unidentified aero phenomena, right, Yeah, that's what he did, 318 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: and he was in charge of a lot of it. 319 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you right here, right now that I 320 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: know that my father did something similar, and I believe 321 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 3: it's the first time I'm speaking to that is right 322 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 3: here on the air on my own show. Yeah, twenty 323 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: three years Air Force running a NORAD station. That was 324 00:23:54,160 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: my dad, yep, and didn't have a clue. Guys didn't 325 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 3: have a clue. Wonder what they held over his head. 326 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: I don't know his family, you know, his security, his life. 327 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 3: I don't know, pension, all that stuff. Who knows? I 328 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 3: don't know because I didn't know. Okay, all right. Groosh 329 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 3: prepared many briefs on unidentified aero phenomena for Congress while 330 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: in government and help draft the language on UAP for 331 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 3: the FY twenty twenty three National Defense Authorization Act, spearheaded 332 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 3: by Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Marco Rubio. Yeah, his name 333 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: is all over this stuff a lot, and signed it 334 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: to law by President Biden in December of twenty twenty two. 335 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 3: The provision states that any person with relevant UAP information 336 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 3: can inform Congress without retaliation, regardless of any previous non 337 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 3: disclosure agreements. A lot of people don't feel safe with that, still, 338 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: go figure, I don't know, because slip and falls happen right. 339 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: In a statement cleared for publication by the Pentagon in April, 340 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 3: Grush asserted that UFO legacy programs have long been concealed 341 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: within multiple agencies, nesting UAP activities in conventional secret access 342 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 3: programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities. Oh boy, 343 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 3: so a lot of stuff is just a ruse. 344 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 4: Huh. 345 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 3: That's what I'm reading into this. Okay, you guys, you 346 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: know what. We've got another break coming up here. This 347 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: is a nice lengthy article and it is greatly appreciated 348 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 3: because we're learning a lot, aren't we. And I'm confessing 349 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 3: all right, you guys. You are listening to Dark to 350 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 3: Complete with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast 351 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 3: to Coast Dan Paranormal Podcast Network. 352 00:25:50,800 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 4: We see you at Welcome Back. 353 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 3: You are listening to doct Becomes Life with me Heidi 354 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coddam Paranormal Podcast Network. Well, 355 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: today it's been a fascinating today. I'm doing a little 356 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: confessing and somebody is whistleblowing on the whole UFO recovery 357 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 3: program that's been going on, and so we're just reading 358 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: it from the source right here online from thedebrief dot org. 359 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: And I got to remind you guys to go to 360 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 3: Heidihollis dot com or shadowfolks dot com and follow me 361 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 3: at one Heidi Hollis that is across Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. 362 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: Put a one in front of Tidi Hollis, h E 363 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 3: I D I H O, L L I S and 364 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 3: reach on out. Tell me what's going on out there, 365 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 3: Tell me what you'd like me to discuss. Tell me 366 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 3: your personal story, Send me your photos of all these 367 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: odd things or drawings of things that you guys have 368 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: been experiencing out there, because I like to go through them, 369 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: and everybody here on the show that listens likes to 370 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: also hear the pulling back of the layers of the 371 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 3: onion that sometimes can be painful, sometimes very overwhelming, other 372 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: times enthralling, and we triumph in finding out some answers. 373 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 3: All right, you guys, let me get on back here 374 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: to this story, because this is amazing. Leslie Keene Ralph 375 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 3: Blumenthal wrote this onthdebrief dot org and I'm blown away. 376 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 3: I'm blown away, And I'm also sharing about some of 377 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 3: the things that my own family, my father also was 378 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 3: involved with having been a senior noncommissioned officer for NORAD. 379 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 4: M hm. 380 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 3: Yep, didn't know, did not know, didn't stop me getting 381 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 3: military abductions because they figured, well, he must have told 382 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 3: her something. Here she is writing books on it, right. Well, 383 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 3: I didn't know, And no, I wasn't part of any 384 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 3: kind of what are those programs that a lot of 385 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 3: people whose parents were part of the military and they 386 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 3: volunteered them to take part in these experiments like to 387 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 3: fly craft and to be tested on things. No, no, no, no, 388 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 3: I didn't have any of that. Wasn't a part of it, 389 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 3: but it was. That was a huge program. A lot 390 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 3: of people were involved. I have no memories of that. 391 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 3: Was I taken and interrogated about craft and beings? 392 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 4: Yes? 393 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: While I was in college military abductions yep, M yeah, 394 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 3: I had that. Lucky me. 395 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: Huh. 396 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: But there's a reason behind all of this, and gotta wonder. 397 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: Gott to wonder why our faces are in a certain 398 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 3: television series, my dad and myself and my sister in 399 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 3: season three of the television spinoff of X Files called Millennium. 400 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, all of our faces and names are there. 401 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 3: It's something else go ahead and google Agent Hollis Millennium 402 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 3: tell me what that is. 403 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know. 404 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so any who, Continuing continuing with David Grusch, the 405 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: UFO whistleblower, His story is amazing, all right, this is 406 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 3: what it says. He said. He reported to Congress on 407 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 3: the existence of a decades long, publicly unknown Cold War 408 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: for recovered and exploited physical material exploit it. Okay, that 409 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 3: means I used it for something, a competition with near 410 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes and landings. Landings, guys. 411 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 3: So the craft landed and they charged it. Huh, and 412 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: retrieved the material for exploitation reverse engineering to garner asymmetric 413 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 3: national defense advantages. Well that makes sense to do that, 414 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: but yeah. Beginning in twenty twenty two, Grooshe provided Congress 415 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 3: with hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages, 416 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: which included specific data about the material's recovery program. Congress 417 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 3: has not been provided with any physical materials related to 418 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 3: wreckage or other non human objects, now why not. Grush's 419 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 3: investigation was centered on extensive interviews with high level intelligence officials, 420 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: some of whom are directly involved with the program. He 421 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 3: says the operation was illegally shielded from proper congression oversight 422 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: and that he was targeted and harassed because of his investigation. Hmm, 423 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 3: you know, guys, Arrow, okay, Arrow, that is a program 424 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 3: that has been put on display to go through and 425 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 3: debrief everybody on their findings. And all they've been talking 426 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 3: about is how eh, yeah, we looked, but nothing's really alien. 427 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: You know, we're still talking about somebody's got some really 428 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 3: cool stuff out there, right for the most part, That's 429 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 3: what I'm hearing. And it's been frustrating. And this is 430 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 3: what I mean. We're trusting the left hand while the 431 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: right hand is just going, yeehaw, boy, we got some 432 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 3: good stuff this time on this hall. We put our 433 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: trust into what I mean, why would they be honest 434 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 3: all of a sudden? Why why would they take these 435 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,239 Speaker 3: steps forward all of a sudden? Is to control the narrative. Right, 436 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 3: there's a lot of craft flying all over the place, 437 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: and they've been really good at keeping it hushed up. 438 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 3: But my goodness, enough is enough? Enough is enough. I'd 439 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 3: known too many people sacrifice too much, including myself, just 440 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: to allow this to keep happening. Is it really always defense? 441 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 3: You know, I see how we could get a leg up, 442 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 3: but the other folks around the world are doing the 443 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: same thing. So I don't know. You know, I see 444 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 3: these old movies where people fall on the sword for 445 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 3: their country, right, and I'm surprised there haven't been a 446 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 3: whole ton more that just stepped forward right away and 447 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 3: just said, hey, you know, we don't have to pay 448 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 3: electric bills anymore because there is like this technology. You know, 449 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 3: we don't have to have homeless because we can provide 450 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: because we got this new technology and this other technolog 451 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 3: she does this, and it does that, and it could 452 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 3: cover this for us. You know, I don't know. I'm 453 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 3: just like, I think a lot of people have died 454 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 3: over this subject, that it's the number one thing that's 455 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: hidden in the world just so people can benefit secretly, 456 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 3: not greatly, not hugely, you know, just individuals, just so 457 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: they're okay, they're okay, what about the rest of us. 458 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 3: We're paying the bills, right, Okay, all right, I'm gonna 459 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 3: I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep going. 460 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 4: I really am. 461 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 3: There's so much of the story left yet I have 462 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 3: to read faster, all right. So Grooce said that the 463 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 3: craft or covery operations are ongoing at various levels of activity, 464 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 3: and that he knows the specific individuals current and former 465 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 3: who are involved. Individuals on these up programs is the 466 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: quote approached me in my official capacity and disclose their 467 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 3: concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings such as illegal contracting 468 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 3: against the federal acquisitions regulations and their criminality and the 469 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 3: suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia, 470 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 3: he stated, So that means like the professors and stuff, 471 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 3: they all got this and they're all drooling over it 472 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 3: and having a good old time with it, talking among 473 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 3: their big heads. You know who, we know something the 474 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 3: rest of the world doesn't know because you know, we're underpaid. 475 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 3: So we're gonna just hold this over their heads. Ah, 476 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 3: this is just this is evil, guys, This is evil. 477 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 3: This is evil. We know this is going on though, 478 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 3: those of us in these fields. This is evil though. 479 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 3: How mean can it selfish? 480 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 4: Can you be? 481 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 3: So they were made to sign NDA's They were giving 482 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 3: all this information. Here's some cool toys. Show us what 483 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 3: you can do with it. Just keep it to yourself. 484 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 3: Make sure we got homeless people in the world, and 485 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 3: cancer still thrives because you know, pharmaceuticals got to make 486 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 3: their money. Oh okay, I'm just I'm just speculating, just speculating, 487 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 3: all right. Continuing, Chet, who vouch for Groose, said his 488 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: information was highly sensitive, providing evidence that materials from objects 489 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 3: of non human origins are in the possession of highly 490 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 3: secret black programs. I guess they're now selling drugs anymore. 491 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 3: It's just this, although locations, program names, and other specific 492 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 3: data remain classified. I'm sorry, I said that. The I'm 493 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 3: speaking from information that's been provided to the government, okay, 494 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 3: about government selling drugs for black projects. That's been investigated 495 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 3: a gazillion times, hasn't it? All right? So continuing, All 496 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 3: though locations, program names, and other specific data remain classified, 497 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: the Inspector General and Intelligence Committee staff were provided with 498 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 3: these details. Several current members of the recovery program spoke 499 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 3: to the Inspector General's office and corroborated the information Groosh 500 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 3: had provided for the classified complaint. Grush left the government 501 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 3: on April seventh, twenty twenty three, in order, he said, 502 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 3: to advance government accountability. Well, all right, Grush through public awareness. 503 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 3: He remains well supported within intelligence circles, and numerous sources 504 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 3: have vouched for his credibility. I'm liking this guy his assertion, 505 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 3: but again, it's government. I'm sorry. His assertion concerning the 506 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,479 Speaker 3: existence of terrestrial arms race occurring subrosa over the past 507 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 3: eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin 508 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 3: is fundamentally correct, as is the indisputable realization that at 509 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 3: least some of these technologies of unknown origin derived from 510 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 3: non human intelligence, said Carl Nell, the retired Army colonel 511 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 3: who worked with Groosh on the UAP task Force. In 512 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty two performance evaluation, Laura Potter, Deputy Chief 513 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 3: of Staff for Intelligence Headquarters, Department of the Army, described 514 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 3: now as an officer with the strongest possible moral compass. 515 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 3: Groosh is represented by Charles mc mcgullough, the third senior 516 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 3: partner of the Compass Rose Legal Group in Washington and 517 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 3: the original Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, confirm the 518 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 3: US Senate in twenty eleven. At that time, McCullough, I 519 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 3: hope I'm saying that right. Reported directly to the then 520 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 3: Director of National Intelligence, James R. Clapper, and oversaw intelligence 521 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 3: officers responsible for audits, inspections, and investigations. On May twenty 522 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 3: twenty two, McCullough filed a Disclosure of Urgent Concerns complaint 523 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 3: of reprisal on behalf of Groosh with the ICIG about 524 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 3: detailed information that Groosh had gathered beginning in twenty nineteen 525 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 3: while working for the UP Task Force. An unclassified version 526 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 3: of the complaint provided to US states at Groosh has 527 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 3: direct knowledge that uIP related classified information has been withheld 528 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 3: and or concealed from Congress by elements of the Intelligence Committee, 529 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 3: and we heard that part to purposely intentionally thwart legitimate 530 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 3: Congressional oversight of the UP program. All testimony Groosh provided 531 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 3: for the classified complaint has provided under both Wow, I 532 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 3: cannot believe how huge this article is. There's so much 533 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 3: more to read here, and I'm gonna kind of do 534 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 3: it in little divisions. Come about that because I want 535 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,399 Speaker 3: to get some other comments in here. But you guys, 536 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 3: you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 537 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 3: Hollis on the iHeartRadio at Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 538 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 3: Podcast Network. 539 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 4: We'll be right back, welcome back. 540 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 3: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi 541 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 3: Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 542 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 3: podcast network. We are going through the debrief dot org. 543 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 3: We are going through this whistleblowing UFO David Gruch. He 544 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 3: is laying it down, absolutely, telling what he knows about 545 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 3: the truth and what has been hidden out there in 546 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 3: the world when it comes to retrieving craft and knowing 547 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 3: about them for decades people decades. So continuing this article 548 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 3: and then I'm going to go into some commentary on us, 549 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 3: because wow is a mouthful, all right. So, according to 550 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 3: the Unclassified Complaints, in July twenty twenty one, Brush had 551 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 3: confidentially provided classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector 552 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 3: General concerning the withholding of UAP related information from Congress. 553 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 3: He believed that his identity and the fact that he 554 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 3: had provided testimony were disclosed to individuals and or entities 555 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 3: within the Department of Defense and the intelligence community outside 556 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 3: the IG's office. You don't say, hmm, I can't understand 557 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 3: why they would do such a thing. They have protections 558 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 3: out there now, right, Yeah, he did not allege that 559 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 3: this information was improper disclosed by any member of that office, 560 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 3: but as a result Groosh suffered months of retaliation and 561 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 3: reprisals related to these disclosures, beginning in twenty twenty one. 562 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 3: He asked that details of these reprisals be withheld to 563 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 3: protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation. The Intelligence Community 564 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 3: Inspector General found this complaint credible and urgent in July 565 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. According to Grush, a summary was immediately 566 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 3: submitted to the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Hines or Haines, 567 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 3: the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and the House Permanent 568 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 3: Select Committee on Intelligence. The complaint was drafted and signed 569 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 3: by McCullough and his managing partner. It ended with Grush's 570 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 3: signature attached to his statement that I do solemnly affirm, 571 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 3: under the policies of perjury, that the contents of the 572 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 3: foregoing paper are true and correct to the best of 573 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 3: my knowledge. A whistleblower reprisal investigation was launched, and Groosch 574 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 3: began his committeecation with the staff of the Congressional intelligence 575 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 3: committees in private, closed door sessions. According to Groosh, certain 576 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 3: information which he obtained in his investigation could not be 577 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 3: put before congressional staffer is because they did not have 578 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 3: the necessary clearances or the appropriate investigative authority. 579 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 4: I'm reading it. 580 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 3: Fast, guys, the representative of the House Permanent Select Committee 581 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 3: on Intelligence told us in March. Yet the committee members 582 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 3: are not able to comment on the content of a 583 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 3: complaint or confirm the identity of a complainant. And this 584 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 3: is the quote. When you have multiple agencies nesting UAP 585 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 3: activities in conventional SAPCAP programs, both as recipients of exploitation 586 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 3: related insights and for operational reasons, without appropriate reporting to 587 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 3: various oversight authorities, you have a problem, Groosh said, referencing 588 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 3: the highly secret special access programs and controlled access programs. 589 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 3: Grush's willing us to take risks and speak appears to 590 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 3: be emboldening others with similar knowledge who believe in greater transparency, 591 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 3: like myself, as I'm doing right now talking about my 592 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 3: father and his involvement with some things. But I can't 593 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 3: prove anything, right, all right, So Jonathan Gray, the intelligence 594 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 3: officer specializing UAP analysis at the National Air and Space 595 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 3: Intelligence Center, is speaking publicly for the first time, identified 596 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 3: here under the identity he uses inside the agency. NASIK, 597 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 3: headquartered in Wright Patterson Air Force Base, is a Department 598 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 3: of Defence's primary Air Force source for foreign air and 599 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 3: space threat analysis. My dad was over there. Its mission 600 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 3: is to discover and characterize air, space, missile and cyber threats. 601 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 3: According to the agency's website, the center's team of trusted 602 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 3: subject matter experts deliver unique collection, exploitation, analytic capabilities not 603 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 3: found elsewhere. Gray said that such immense capabilities are not 604 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 3: merely relegated to the study of the prosaic. This is 605 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 3: a quote. The existence of complex historical programs involving the 606 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 3: coordinated retrieval and study of exotic materials dating back to 607 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 3: the early twentieth century should no longer remain a secret. 608 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 3: What did he say that? That's amazing. The majority of 609 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 3: retrieved for ing exotic materials have a prosaic terrestrial explanation 610 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 3: and origin, but not all in any number higher than 611 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 3: zero in this category represents an undeniably significant statistical percentage. 612 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,280 Speaker 3: It is unusual for an Air Force insider to come forward, 613 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 3: as the Air Force has been less forthcoming than other 614 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 3: agencies with regard to UAP. And this is a quote. 615 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,760 Speaker 3: A vast array of our most sophisticated sensors, including space 616 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 3: based platforms, have been utilized by different agencies, typically intriplicate 617 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,240 Speaker 3: to observe the accurately identify the out of this world nature, 618 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 3: performance and design of these anomalous machines, which are then 619 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 3: determined not to be of earthly origin. It's not something Melon. 620 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,839 Speaker 3: The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has 621 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 3: been instrumental in arranging classified briefings for members of Congress 622 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 3: and other officials about UAP, which include references to exotic 623 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 3: retrieved materials. The first briefing he facilitated on retrievals of 624 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 3: Unexplained Objects was provided to staff members of the Senate 625 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 3: Armed Services Committee on October twenty first, twenty nineteen, and 626 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 3: to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later, 627 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 3: as reported by The New York Times. We all remember that, 628 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 3: don't we. So Mellon says that once the members of 629 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 3: Congress gain greater awareness of the information provided to their 630 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 3: staff and the Inspector General, they will be in a 631 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 3: position to quickly determine the truth if they have the 632 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 3: will to do so. So they got to still determine 633 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 3: the truth. Huh wow. This is an unprecedented oversight challenge 634 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 3: for the committees. But I believe we have leaders in 635 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 3: Congress who are up to the task. Mellan said, whoo 636 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 3: oh boy. I really want to end it there, I do, 637 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,439 Speaker 3: I really do, but I want to talk to one 638 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 3: part of this article. Doctor Gary Nolan, a professor in 639 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,320 Speaker 3: the Department of Pathology at Stanford University and renowned inventor 640 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,439 Speaker 3: and entrepreneur with more than three hundred published papers, has 641 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 3: started over half a dozen companies based on technologies out 642 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 3: of his laboratory. Nolan has previously applied some of those 643 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 3: technologies to the analysis of exotic materials, publishing the first 644 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 3: peer reviewed paper examining such materials. And this is the quote. 645 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 3: Human civilization was utterly transformed by something as small as 646 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 3: a grain of silicon, creating the underpinning of the integrated 647 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 3: circuits that underlie computation and now even artificial intelligence. Nolan 648 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 3: said studying even small samples of purported anomalous material could 649 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 3: lead to currently inconceivable benefits for humanity. He said, this 650 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 3: is the quote. What might be represented here could be 651 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 3: hundreds of technology revolutions ahead of us. It could be 652 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 3: more transformative for humanity than what the microprocessor accomplished. Imagine 653 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 3: what we could do with even a grain of knowledge 654 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 3: about how they operate. Well, I think it was already 655 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 3: stated in here that different universities and those within them 656 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 3: were given this material already, right, So probably hasn't Stanford 657 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 3: has to be up the top of the list with it. So, 658 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 3: but I don't think everybody's comfortable in speaking to all 659 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 3: that they know just yet, not naming any names, just 660 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 3: saying because somebody's got this, somebody has this information. I mean, 661 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 3: my own father did and didn't say a word, did 662 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,879 Speaker 3: not say a word, and he wasn't believed or trusted either. 663 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,320 Speaker 3: So hey, let's go interrogate her his daughter. Yeah, so 664 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 3: where are we going with this? This is the last 665 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 3: quote I want to read from here. I hope this 666 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 3: revelation serves as an ontological shock, sociologically and provides a 667 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 3: generally uniting issue for nations of the world to reassess 668 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,120 Speaker 3: their priorities grushe said, And again this from Leslie Keane. 669 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 3: Ralph Bloomenthal with Helen Cooper co authored on this. You know, 670 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 3: there's so much, there's so much to unpack here, guys, 671 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 3: we all knew well I was talking about it. Anyways. 672 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 3: You can't fully trust if there is a government entity 673 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 3: controlling this message when they have harassed people in these 674 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 3: fields for decades, harassed guys, I mean, been all over 675 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 3: their lives saying, you know, I'm gonna burn down your 676 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 3: fields farm. You're going to speak to that crash over 677 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 3: there in Roswell, I'm going to do this to you. 678 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 3: I'm going to do that to you. It's sad and terrific. 679 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 3: If they could do those things, there's an agenda and 680 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 3: there's a controlled message no matter what. So as our 681 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 3: governments tried to wrangle how to display the truth about 682 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 3: aliens and their existence and all that they have been 683 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,799 Speaker 3: doing with them for so very long, let's look at 684 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,880 Speaker 3: what the Church has said about this. So there was 685 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 3: a Time magazine article Elizabeth Dias wrote May fourteenth, twenty fourteen. 686 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 3: Pope Francis brought up Martians as he was preaching about 687 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 3: a specific New Testament story. Early Christians were wondering if 688 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,720 Speaker 3: Jews and Gentiles could associate, and God gave the apostle 689 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 3: Peter a vision that salvation extended beyond the deepest cultural divides. 690 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 3: It was a moment of internal crisis for the early church. 691 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 3: Quote that was unthinkable. Francis explained and to show just 692 00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,320 Speaker 3: how unthinkable it was. He added, if, for example, tomorrow 693 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 3: an expedition of Martians came and some of them came 694 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 3: to us. Here Martians right green with that long nose 695 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 3: and big ears, just like children paint them, and one says, 696 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,239 Speaker 3: but I want to be baptized, what would happen? The 697 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 3: church today should learn from the early church. France has 698 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 3: explained that it cannot close its doors to anyone that 699 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,319 Speaker 3: which God has purified, as a scripture says, no one 700 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 3: can call profane. It was never the ministry to close 701 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 3: the door. 702 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 4: Never. 703 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,440 Speaker 3: Well, isn't that interesting, you guys? So you know the 704 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,880 Speaker 3: churches will need to explain that God is able to 705 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,400 Speaker 3: create even outside of this planet, because I believe that, 706 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,880 Speaker 3: and I still believe in God, I still know that 707 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,399 Speaker 3: Jesus is real and all the in betweens. But oh, 708 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 3: it's going to be interesting this year to watch how 709 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 3: this all plays out, because they really have a playbook. 710 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,400 Speaker 3: It feels anymore. All right, you guys, We've come to 711 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 3: the bottom of another fabulous program. Don't forget to go 712 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,280 Speaker 3: to Shadowfolks dot com and also check out the outlanderscomic 713 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,359 Speaker 3: dot com and follow me on all the social media, 714 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 3: at one Heidi Hollis and at the Outlanders comic. This 715 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 3: is this is thought provoking stuff. Guys. We really need 716 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 3: to think about what is going on here? What is 717 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 3: the prize? What is it that people are aiming for? 718 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,880 Speaker 3: God is good. God creates and aliens exist, and. 719 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:28,400 Speaker 4: So do we. 720 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 3: I haven't seen the ones with the big long nose 721 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,359 Speaker 3: that Francis was speaking of, but hey, you know there 722 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 3: could be. I just hope that we learned to get 723 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,880 Speaker 3: along better down here on this planet and create some balance. 724 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 3: All right, you guys, you have been listening to Dark 725 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 3: Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and 726 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 3: Coast to Coast damn pre Normal Podcast Network. 727 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:49,960 Speaker 4: We'll see you next time. 728 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 3: Stay safe, everybody, goodbye and God Happy birthday Dan. 729 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,919 Speaker 2: If you liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait 730 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,400 Speaker 2: till you hear the next one. You've been listening to 731 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,760 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network