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Speaker 1: a chance. Good morning, give it a chance, Give it

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Speaker 1: good morning, Give it a chi You want to give

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Speaker 1: it a chance, give it a chance, give it a chance.

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Speaker 2: Just give it a hello.

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Speaker 1: Monsieurs answers, Mansas, Charles Mansers, sorry, shout out.

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Speaker 3: She want to give a shout out to.

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Speaker 2: You can't even say it.

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Speaker 3: Just shout out to Charles Manz. Shout out to Charles Mancey.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's Dave Matthews.

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Speaker 2: I did it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a clever way of like do you

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Speaker 1: think I've gone to hard?

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Speaker 3: That's right, girl, guilty. I actually don't remember.

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Speaker 2: When was the last time you heard this song? Like

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Speaker 1: Not maybe not everyone, but like the people I know

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Speaker 3: That's for sure. I fit that demographic. I have not

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Speaker 3: heard this song probably since it was like on MTVVH one,

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Speaker 3: the radio, which what it was, what late nineties?

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Speaker 1: I bet you this came out like I bet you

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Speaker 2: No, maybe later. I think it's I think this this

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Speaker 3: Let me see. Let's let's let's ask the listening platform

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Speaker 3: of my choice. Let's see which is I Did It

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Speaker 3: by James Matthews. Okay, oh, I started the song. I

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Speaker 3: don't want to do that. I just want the cribs.

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Speaker 2: I see two thousand and one.

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Speaker 3: Three, nine to eleven, two thousand and one, it's almost

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Speaker 3: two thousand January third. Imagine it came out after nine.

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Speaker 1: To eleven because everyone was thinking meant that.

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Speaker 2: Because it's also the same name as the OJ book.

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Speaker 3: Book. That is why. That is truly truly like reality

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Speaker 3: rending levels of batshit crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if I

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Speaker 3: did it, this is what I would have done. That

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Some chancers know my good friend. You definitely know my

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Speaker 1: friend Joe em Bergio. Oh yeah, he wants to write.

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Speaker 2: A book called If.

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Speaker 3: I Did It.

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Speaker 1: And however, yeah, he would have been a child, so

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Speaker 3: So it's a really genius joke. I really love it.

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Speaker 3: I hope now, I hope he gets to do that

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Speaker 3: someday if there are any publishers out there listening, and

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Speaker 3: if we have any publisher chancers Joe and Bergio, we

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Speaker 3: On the air.

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Speaker 2: With that being said, let's listen to Dave Matthew's confession.

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Speaker 3: This is his confession. Gone down, Yo, unturned that cheek case?

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Speaker 3: What do you got? I am?

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I was loving watching your face watch that vid.

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Speaker 2: Can I give the preamble of why even this song

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Speaker 1: So I grew up, you know in Staten Island where

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Speaker 1: And he said to me, every your CD if you're

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Speaker 3: That was the time. Yeah, but and it was true.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know the story about it, but it

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Speaker 1: I actually don't believe it. The nineties were really great

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Speaker 1: And yes it's world music ofteah, it's world music. But

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Speaker 3: And I think he was. Yeah, he was one of

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Speaker 3: Charlottesville where they were the band Dave Matthews band was

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Speaker 3: like playing. It's those stories of like people being like

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Speaker 3: and you can hear it. It's like the fucking Beatles

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Speaker 3: and you're like, does someone memory, like, did someone ever

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Speaker 2: That's such a great point because you know it's in

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Speaker 2: It's big enough to be like under the Day of

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, going back to what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: I did it. Do you think I've gone too far

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Speaker 3: This is great, This is who my fuck is cooking

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Speaker 1: Then, when it's like a nickel or a dime for

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Speaker 3: So wow, you really open in my mind up about this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and saying I never did a single

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Speaker 2: He's being modest about that. He's being modest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel like you're you're actually leading

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Speaker 3: He's a little confused there. I have no idea exactly

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Speaker 3: to There's a lot of people I've been friends some

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Speaker 3: who are the people who've been Like, I like went

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Speaker 3: And I've known people who were, And that's part of

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Speaker 3: art and music can change the world, but I don't

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Speaker 3: can fuse oh yeah, my solidarity one. Yeah, with a

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Speaker 3: that's a really different level of commitment and skin in

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Speaker 3: it's also something that I actually some fucking relating with Dave.

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Speaker 3: He's an older man at this point too. He was

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Speaker 3: Dave Matthews?

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Speaker 1: Actually, I know, I feel like he's been forty two

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Speaker 1: for like two decades.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks great. He might be fifty five years old.

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Speaker 3: He looks the same as he looked since like this time.

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Speaker 2: I bet you he's older.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna look it up on ours fifty seven.

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00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: You were fifty seven years old.

438
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: But I think he you know, he had like an

439
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like he had the same look

440
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 1: for like, yeah, like twenty years.

441
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: He's not exactly somebody who's you know, another Chancey side

442
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 3: Chancy little erratic Chancey my chance hit me, not a

443
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 3: person who was concerned at all with this music fitting

444
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 3: in with whatever the tropes of popular music around it were.

445
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 3: There's not a moment where you're like, and that's where

446
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: he's kind of doing like a new metal thing or like, oh,

447
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 3: and that's where he's kind of referencing like the sort

448
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: of like a Max Martin school of songwriting.

449
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, this isn't in this song. He's

450
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: not even trying to be himself, but not in not

451
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: that he's trying to be what's on the radio. He's

452
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: just trying something new. And I give him credit for

453
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: that because in the same album, I think he had

454
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 1: the space between oh, that was a radio banger as

455
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: well forward yeah, and that fits with the radio but

456
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: not trying to but just.

457
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 3: That almost could be like a collective soul song or

458
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 3: something like that.

459
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 2: Like the verses of.

460
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the verses of that song, there's a very particular

461
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 3: like yeah. I feel like, what's funny with him is

462
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 3: there's a couple of moments where I feel like I

463
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: wonder if he was like, yeah, he's got to like

464
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 3: give him one of these, so I can kind of like,

465
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: I mean, that might not be true.

466
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: He might. That's so funny if if if they're like

467
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: if they're like, you know, the our A and R

468
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: wants us to write a hit song, and then it's like, so, guys,

469
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 1: I did it.

470
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 3: Listen to this.

471
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: I did it because.

472
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how you would sit down with a

473
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: guitar and write the chorus.

474
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: I did it. I think I've.

475
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: Gone too far Like that does feel actually, I hope

476
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: that's true. I feel like an A and r was like,

477
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: I need you to actually try to write it radio song,

478
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: and then he's like and maybe he said like, don't

479
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 1: go too far right, don't go too crazy with it.

480
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 1: And Dave wrote the craziest version he could, which is this,

481
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: And I think that if if he pointed to the

482
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: outfield like Babe Ruth and and wrote this song and

483
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: it got on the radio, that's amazing, amazing.

484
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: There's that great story from this same timeframe. That's the

485
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: Way I Am story. Do you know that that they

486
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: basically yeah, they get. So he gave them that record,

487
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 3: and I guess Jimmy Ivean was like, you know, well

488
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: this is crazy and very bracing and interesting, and I

489
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: think it's going to really make an impression, you know,

490
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 3: but it's your follow up and we need like an

491
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 3: undeniable single, And he went back and wrote The Way

492
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 3: I Am, which is not that single. It was him

493
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 3: basically being like, oh, you want me to give you

494
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 3: like a pop song, here's me in the same cadence

495
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: for four minutes, rapping about how I can't write a

496
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: more popular song than the one year and then of

497
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: course what comes out is in the eleventh hour is

498
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 3: the real Slim shady and it's like the poppyst song

499
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 3: he'll ever write, which wow, that was almost like an afterthought.

500
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: There's a Will Go story like that too with Summer Teeth,

501
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 3: when they were still like trying to like make it

502
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: on the major and that record in a certain sense

503
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: is like, you know, it's a funny Will Goes, like

504
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: a very different execution of a kind of roots adjacent music.

505
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: But then Dave is but like, I'm sure there's been

506
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: some worlds where there's people who probably are very big

507
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: fans of both, and they've probably played some festivals together

508
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 3: here and there. But there's a story with Summer Teeth

509
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 3: where they gave the record in and that's like a

510
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 3: perfectly executed you know, Beach Boys beatles hybrid. It's him

511
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: doing like a genre record, almost like a pop thing

512
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: in the Will Go way, And I guess they were like, yeah,

513
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: this is really nice, but there's no single, and I

514
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 3: forget which song they wrote that was they wrote They

515
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 3: went back and wrote like three and you can kind

516
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: of tell when you're listening to the record. There's a

517
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: few where you're like, oh, this is like a gin

518
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: Blossom song, like they were trying to like what's the

519
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: closest we could get to that? All right, Well it's

520
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: this Maybe it's like the Nothing's Ever Going to Stand

521
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 3: in My Way again. I think that's one of the

522
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: songs or something. But there are these moments. I don't

523
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: know if that's the deal with Dave by this record.

524
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: I would imagine Dave Matthews band had already done enough

525
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 3: for the label that they were sort of like they

526
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 3: want a hit, but they also were like, yeah, he's

527
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: just going to do his thing, and even if it

528
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: doesn't go like multi platinum, the tour is going to

529
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 3: sell fifty thousand tickets a night and we'll get involved

530
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: with you know, we'll make a cut of the merch

531
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: or whatever. However it worked for them. Look, I definitely

532
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: think when you say, there are people who are going

533
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 3: to hear this and say it's the worst song we did,

534
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: and there's people who would say it's the best.

535
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: Song we did.

536
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: I think and that you know, to his credit, he

537
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: did his thing and people he did it. He did

538
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: it and people for a length of career he's either

539
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: been like a punchline to some people or to other

540
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 3: people like the best songwriter and band leader of his generation.

541
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: And I think that's actually like, you know, fucking you

542
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 3: want to be polarizing on some level, right, And he's

543
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 3: been polarizing and managed to sell out Giants Stadium along

544
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: the way.

545
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: So I saw him there. I saw him five times.

546
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: One was a Giant stadium. It was one of the

547
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: craziest concerts I've ever been to. It was supposed to

548
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: end the night, it didn't rain, and then during space

549
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: between he ended with like you a few his like

550
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: after his when they go away on Core. During the space.

551
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: Between, it starts raining and then he plays that song

552
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 3: two Step.

553
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: I don't remember. It's like a real building.

554
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: Oh I do remember that song, and it starts puring,

555
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: rain pouring.

556
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: Everyone's going crazy dancing, and then he finishes the song

557
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: and it's topped rain stop it. It was really amazing,

558
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: and he's talked about that in interviews like that was

559
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: like one of his favorite concerts because it was just

560
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 1: so crazy.

561
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: That's amazing. When was that was that? Like?

562
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: I think I was in like a later era of

563
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: high school, so probably I graduated in two thousand and three,

564
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, probably two thousand and.

565
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 3: Three or four. I wonder because I know I have

566
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: the concert ticket at my parents' house. I'll go find it.

567
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: I would. Yeah. One of my very close friends went

568
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: to see like from Fordham went to see one of

569
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: those shows two thousand. It would have been like been

570
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: the early aughts, late nineties, early aughts, and it was

571
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: like a graduation press. It was probably ninety nine or

572
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 3: something though. It was but Giants Stadium and it was

573
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: exactly like you described, like it was like fish or

574
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: the dead people going and like, what's it called pregaming?

575
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 3: But there's a word for that tailgating. Yes, yes, yes,

576
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: we did a lot of that. We took a party bus.

577
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 2: I was like it was it was a bunch of

578
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 2: I knew and didn't know and everyone took a party bus.

579
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: Wow. I remember, yeah, because I was like it was

580
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: still kind of early in experimenting, even with drinking. And

581
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: I remember like somebody spiran off ices. I remember being

582
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: like this is lovely.

583
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is what drinking is. I'm all about it.

584
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: It is candy, this is yeah right, that was I

585
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: definitely had that moment.

586
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

587
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: I think my dad, who was like really funny. Our

588
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: dad was like a you know, grew up in Park

589
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: Slope and lived in Bay ridge and was like, you know,

590
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: not a Zeema guy, and that at some point when

591
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: we were on Staten Island were like going to in

592
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: the basement in the in the fridge, and it was

593
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: like there was zemas. I was like a teenager, and

594
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: I think I remember drinking them, being like I didn't

595
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: drink much in high school. And then I remember drinking

596
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: those and being like same thing, like this is like sprite,

597
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: and then like refilling his zemas with water and like

598
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: closing them again. I don't even know if you ever

599
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: drank them again, because no one ever said to me

600
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: like there's fucking water in those, you know, but also

601
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: like they're crudely resealed. I love it starts like a

602
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: class action lossuit against and they're like, I did it?

603
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: Do you think that Zema's nods? All right? So listen, listen.

604
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: End of the day. Oh, very quick story quick Dave Matthews.

605
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: So I laid the groundwork. College people love Dave, people

606
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: love Oasis. My college girlfriend breaks up with me. There's

607
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: a hurricane adjacent storm that closes for them, and there's

608
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: going to be a big party in the dorms. She

609
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: comes to my room. We're hanging out for a little while,

610
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: tells me that she's dating another guy. I'm devastated. Okay,

611
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: so I start drinking. It's going to be a party

612
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: that night, big dorm room party. I decide I'm going

613
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: to go up to the party drunk. Now, Chris O'Brien,

614
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: the homie, shout out to Sephis. He was like, yo,

615
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: I'll come up. He was like saying he's gonna come

616
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: for me. But also he was just like, I want

617
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 3: to come up and get fucked up at this party.

618
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: So he comes up anyway, so he's telling me he's

619
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: going to get in. I'm like, how are you going

620
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: to get in? There's a faery involved, it's a hurricane morning.

621
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: He's like, I'll get there, Moses, I'll get there all right.

622
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: So anyway, I'm at I go to this party. I'm drunk.

623
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: There's this girl I always thought was super cute for

624
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: my classes, and now I'm like trying to like get

625
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: over this heartbreak that I'm feeling. And so there's like

626
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there having a drink. Someone hands me a

627
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: guitar and this girl goes, do you know any Dave?

628
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'd never usually that was like,

629
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: I do not cross that line in my head. But

630
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: I had learned crashing.

631
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I was guessing. I was really guessing satellite And

632
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: I was like.

633
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: You mean. And it was the one time I ever

634
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: used like music for the forces of evil. Like I

635
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: started to play crash into me and from behind me,

636
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: this is real down like the hallway of this party,

637
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: I hear, Yo, what the fuck are you doing? And

638
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: it was Cephas he arrived at the party at the

639
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: moment that I was like going against my my moral code.

640
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: And I remember like I was like, nothing, like I

641
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: put it down, start playing paranoid Android.

642
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: Exactly I mean, and I lack all sun. That was

643
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: also the first night I tried cocaine. And I remember

644
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: like the next morning, Kevin Cole and Kowski in my

645
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: roommates sitting at the end of the bed. I looked

646
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: up and he was like, don't ever do that again.

647
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: Guess what I did, Mad, I did it. I had

648
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: to stop to do it.

649
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: Eventually, I stopped doing it a Vand if he had

650
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: a lyric that was I had to stop doing it.

651
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: Avengch No one would even question it. No, he would

652
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: say the power of Dave Matthew, the only question I

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Speaker 1: would have is why didn't he say me stop doing it. Events,

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Speaker 1: me stop doing it, event she starts becoming Yoda, Avenge me.

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Speaker 3: Stop doing it.

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Speaker 1: Avenge it is you said, it's charge of Biggs, but

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Speaker 1: it's also very Yoda.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Star Wars for Sure, Star Wars for sure. Done.

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Speaker 3: We are, I've done, we are.

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Speaker 2: Chance, we gave chance, we gave Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually there's times that I finished the podcast,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I hope that we.

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Speaker 3: Give that enough of a chance.

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Speaker 2: But I think we do.

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Speaker 3: And if you don't think so, please feel free to email.

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Speaker 3: I don't give a rats ass at dot fart dot.

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Speaker 3: Now that's not a really address everybody. I do, we

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Speaker 3: do give it an about you do, but ow dot

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Speaker 3: do not give all right, it's been good peace, real

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Speaker 3: peace until next piece.

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Speaker 2: Just give it