1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our. 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: a sibling Railvalry No, no, sibling, Raval. You don't do 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: that with your mouth, Vely. That's good, Yeah, I yawned, 6 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: I Yon, What are you gonna do about it? Nothing? 7 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: You know why, because you're just listening to me and 8 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: you can't talk back. It's kind of a good thing 9 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: about this whole podcast space. I can say what I 10 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: want and no one can respond to me or give 11 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: me their opinion in any way. It's my opinion, and 12 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: all that matters when you're listening to this shit are 13 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: my opinions, and if you disagree with my opinions, you 14 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: can either turn it off or just disagree with them. 15 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm talking about right right now. 16 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: Sometimes my brain goes too fast. Sometimes my brain goes 17 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: too slow. That is why I'm on lexapro. See what 18 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: I just did. I just created Alexa pro jingle. Someone 19 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: copyright that because it will get stolen. So we have 20 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: a guest in our waiting room right now. Her name 21 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: is Hillary Shinbaum. She's a journalist. She's the founder of 22 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: going Dry dot Co, the author of the Dry Challenge 23 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: and How to Lose Booze for Drive, January, Sober October, 24 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: and any other alcohol free month. It's about giving up 25 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: alcohol for a month and then potentially, you know, forever. 26 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: I guess this. I'm excited to talk to her, but 27 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm scared. I'm not scared. I just I feel like 28 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: the last shows that I've been doing, this sort of 29 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: alcohol thing is always coming up, and now she's here. 30 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: You know, is this the universe speaking to me? By 31 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: the way, I haven't had a drink in five days. Again, 32 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: preface this all. I'm prefacing on this all by saying 33 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem, but I just want to 34 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: feel better. I'm forty fucking seven. I'll be forty eight's 35 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: on September seventh. I'm going to be fifty years old soon, 36 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: So why not in these next two years give it 37 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: a hardcore push to fifty, to see what I can do, 38 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: to see what I can accomplish with my body, you 39 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like health wise, you know, maybe 40 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: an eighty twenty situation. I don't need to go one 41 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: hundred percent, Like I still want to have my fun 42 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: eighty twenty. It's time to push anyway. I don't want 43 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: to keep her waiting. Bring in Hillary, shine Bomb, and 44 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: let's get it on. Hey, how are you good? How 45 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: you doing good? 46 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: How about you? 47 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: I'm good. I am three days soberly, so I'm feeling good. 48 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here in Colorado and it's raining, which 49 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: is nice. It's nice because it's kind of beautiful, you 50 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, living in la you know, 51 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: you get so much sun, which of course we love. 52 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: But then it just makes you appreciate that rain where 53 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: you don't feel like you have to go do something. 54 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the pressure of going outside. 55 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: It does. When it's sunny and beautiful, you can't sit 56 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: inside and watch the Olympics, even though maybe that's what 57 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: you want to do. Right, It's like, how am I 58 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: wasting this beautiful day? 59 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? 60 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: Which brings me actually into the world that we're going 61 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: to talk about soon, you know, which is sort of 62 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: this casual sober I just made that up. I'm not 63 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: sure that's what the term for it is. But dry January, 64 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: dry October, dry months sort of limiting your alcohol intake. 65 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: When it is a beautiful day, when I am watching 66 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: a sunset, if there is something that is incredible, it's 67 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: nearly impossible for me to do that without a cocktail 68 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: or some sort of a vice, you know what I mean, 69 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: Watching a sunset, being on a boat, doing something incredible 70 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: in nature especially, only makes it better when you have 71 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: a drink in your hand. Of course, you don't agree. 72 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: I'm speaking for myself right and in trying to break 73 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: my habits of that, because I wouldn't say I'm an 74 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: habitual drinker, but there are habits within my drinking. There's 75 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: Pavlovian drinking, and that is one of them, along with, 76 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, maybe a cigarette or some sort of advice. 77 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: So I'm trying hard now to be able to go 78 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: play golf or to sit down and watch the sunset 79 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: without having a cocktail. You know. Is this something that 80 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: you have studied or addressed along the way. 81 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: I've definitely addressed it, and I feel like I've lived it, 82 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: and I'm now rallying against it. I'm not too aggressively. 83 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sober, but I do recognize 84 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: what you're saying. I think that you know, in our 85 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: culture there is an opportunity for alcohol ninety nine percent 86 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 2: of the time. You know, you go to a sports scheme, 87 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: you're expecting to have a beer. You know, you go 88 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: to a baby shower and you're expecting there to be 89 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: sparkling wine, so you can, you know, cheers, And same 90 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: thing with weddings. If there isn't an open bar, people 91 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: are so disappointed. And all of the things that you mentioned, 92 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: like you know, going outside and watching the sunset or 93 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: taking a hike, like those are amazing great things in themselves, 94 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: especially if you're active. That's releasing endorphins. And it's just 95 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: so interesting like how alcohol has just like permeated every 96 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: single activity that we do, and especially living in New 97 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: York where people don't drive. I think it's just there 98 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: are endless opportunities to you know, have a cocktail, open 99 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: a bottle of wine. 100 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: But doesn't have to be that way. M hmm. I think, well, historically, 101 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: like before we come into the present, right, let's go backwards. 102 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: And I'm again I'm not sure you address these things, 103 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: but you probably do. I don't know, but how did 104 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 1: it become that way? Alcohol is definitely romantic just throughout time, 105 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: especially when movies started to come out and there's you know, 106 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: pictures and you see someone have a Martine or Tom 107 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: Collins or you know an old fashioned you see Bogart, 108 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, having a whiskey and a cigarette. There was 109 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: something really sexy about it. 110 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: You know. 111 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: Do you think that has played a large part in this. 112 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think pop culture absolutely alludes to it. I 113 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: mean think of like all those popular teen movies from 114 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: like the nineties, early two thousands and even still, like 115 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: everybody wants to be a part of that party and 116 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: part of like the fun that were witnessing, right, Like 117 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: everything social is happening around a drink, including like you said, 118 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: like romance and dating, and it's just become so normalized. 119 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: I think the advertising around alcohol is so uniquely smart, right. 120 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: It shows all these things that we as humans crave, 121 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: like human connection in the romantic sense, in the sense 122 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: of friendship, and you know, even going back before like 123 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: motion picture and TV. If you think about it, so 124 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: many cultures and even religion has wine, and so yeah, 125 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: people just grow up with you know, what their parents 126 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: are doing and the people around them, and so I 127 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: think it's really personal and individual, but from all different 128 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: you know, ways of life. We're receiving these messages, whether 129 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: we realize it or not. So it's everywhere. 130 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: And it's also a social lubricant obviously. So I mean, 131 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: if you're going back that thousand years, you know, I'm 132 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: sure it had the same effects on people as it 133 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: did as it does today, where they're able to sort 134 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: of open up a little bit more. It creates more vulnerability, 135 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: which everyone wants a little bit more so you're not 136 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: holding everything in, you know. I mean, if you were 137 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: to take away all the bad things about alcohol, which 138 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: a lot, there's obviously a ton, and be able to 139 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: sort of look at the good part about it, of 140 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: what it actually does for people and opens them up. Now, 141 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: of course there's the flip side of that, where it 142 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,239 Speaker 1: can make you belligerent and bring out rage and interestingly 143 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: enough though, those are all things that probably need to 144 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: be worked on from a psychological aspect, you know what 145 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying. But but yeah, so it's interesting too because 146 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: today we already live in an anxios We've always lived, 147 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: We were an anxious species, you know what I'm saying, 148 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: Like that's primal. We have to have anxiety. It's how 149 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: we have survived. 150 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: You know. 151 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: But now today anxiety is so rampant, you know, with 152 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: kids and everything else that people are using essentially not 153 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: just enjoying, you know, they're using, and so it's important 154 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: sort of watch what you're doing, watch the amount that 155 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: you're drinking, and then have those moments, you know. And 156 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: that's why I'm excited to talk to you, honestly, because 157 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: I actually was listening to a book by Alan Carr. 158 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: You know Alan Carr. Okay, he has something similar. I 159 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: forget the exact title, but he has one to quit drinking. 160 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: First of all, his quit smoking one was famous, but 161 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: he had one to quit drinking in another one to 162 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: like sort of cut down on drinking. And that's something 163 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: that I was curious about doing, and it was much 164 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: harder than I thought. So if you can, yeah, I know, 165 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: I guess. So, if you can just get into sort 166 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: of how you how this happened, why you decided to 167 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: sort of focus in on that, I'm sure it was 168 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: from personal experience, and then how you found the best 169 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: ways to sort of at least start the journey and 170 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: to semi sobriety. Yeah. 171 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: Well, it's actually a funny story. It all kind of 172 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: happened by accident, which sounds ridiculous, because it is. But 173 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to take you back to twenty sixteen in 174 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: New York City, when I was working as an entertainment 175 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: journalist on the Red Carpet that filled my evenings. I 176 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: would go to after parties. I would sometimes grab dinner 177 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: with friends in between the Red Carpet and after parties 178 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: if I wasn't attending the movie premiere. But during day, 179 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: while all my friends had corporate jobs, I was writing 180 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: about food and beverage and primarily alcohol. So, you know, 181 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: living in New York, having an entertainment job, working in booze, 182 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: and dating in New York City, really there were just 183 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: alcohol was everywhere all the time, and even if I 184 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: wasn't drinking every day, it was not frowned upon if 185 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: I was, you know, doing it all on the job. 186 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: So fast forward to the end of twenty sixteen. I 187 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 2: grabbed diner with a friend and he brings up this 188 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: thing called dry January. He had asked me if I was, 189 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: you know, doing any New Year's resolutions, and I said no, 190 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 2: I said, those are silly. Said if I wanted to 191 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: change something, I'll do it, you know, tomorrow or a Monday. 192 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: I'm not waiting till January first, and yeah, once he 193 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: explained dry January, I changed the subject. I thought that 194 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: was something I would never do. It did not align 195 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: with my life or my job, and just living in 196 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: New York and being in you know, my twenties. I 197 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: was like, why, Like I don't have a problem, Like 198 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: I'm not not signing up for this, but lo and behold. 199 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: On New Year's Eve, I was drinking and was, you know, 200 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: tipsily texting my friends who weren't at this party and 201 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: wishing them a happy New Year. And I decided to 202 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: propose this bet to my friend that we would both 203 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 2: try dry January. And mind you, he was going out 204 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: more than I was, and so I thought my aunts 205 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: were really good. And whoever won our bet essentially would 206 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: have dinner paid for by the loser of our bet 207 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: anywhere in New York City, which is not check. 208 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: I can get very expensive. 209 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: Wasn't He's in finance, so I don't think that he 210 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: had as much anxiety as I did, Grater, but I 211 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 3: was willing to bet on myself, even in my tipsy state, 212 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,479 Speaker 3: And so at midnight our bet began. 213 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: And I went an entire thirty one days without drinking alcohol. 214 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 2: He lost after about like two and a half three weeks, 215 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: he met a girl at a bar who peered him 216 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: into drinking, and that was it. I completed my you know, 217 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: my bet. He bought me dinner at a lovely Michelin 218 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: star restaurant that unfortunately closed recently, but to this day, 219 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: he still won't bet me anything ever again. And I 220 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: say that we both won because I ended up dedicating 221 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: my first book to him. 222 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 223 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: And he actually completed a dry January about two years ago, finally, 224 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: after like almost eight years of this, so I'm proud 225 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: of him. We're still friends and yeah, I just you know, 226 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: everything in that month, as cliche as it sounds, it 227 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: changed so much for me. It changed my sleep. My 228 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: skin was looking better, my mood was so much more elevated. 229 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: I was obviously saving money on you know, not spending 230 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: it on alcohol or ubers or you know, munchies at 231 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: two am, which are never healthy, right, It's always like 232 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: fries and ideas. It's never like a kale salad. But 233 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: I have just done dry January every year since. 234 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: Okay, that's the positives. Yeah, did it affect anything else? Though, 235 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, in the negative way? Because the fear is 236 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: is I can't be social, I won't have much fun. 237 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going to stay out and party as much 238 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: as I normally did. I'm going to be home by 239 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: ten thirty because I'm like, kind of man, this isn't fun, 240 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, my friend going on with friends 241 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: to bars and you know the lifestyle that you have 242 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: sort of ingrained. And I'm speaking for you, but I'm 243 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: also speaking for myself essentially. You know, was it hard 244 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: to get past that? Yes? 245 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: And no. I still went to bars, I still hung 246 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: out with the same people. I definitely got a bit 247 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: of attitude from those same people who were, you know, 248 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: wondering why I was giving up alcohol for a month 249 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: if I was just going to drink on February first anyway, right, 250 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: that was their big question, like this isn't permanent, you 251 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: don't have a problem, like why are you doing this? 252 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: And I definitely felt the difference in dating. I think 253 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: for the better and for maybe a little bit like unexpectedly. 254 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say for the worse, just different. You know, 255 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: people who I thought would be like cool and like 256 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: unbothered by my decision making, we're a little bit more 257 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: pushy than I anticipated, but you know, I do have 258 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: to say that was almost eight years ago. This is 259 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: you know, I'm going into my this will be my 260 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: ninth dry January coming up this January. And I think 261 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: that people have become definitely kinder and more inclusive and accepting, 262 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: and even you know, restaurant and bar menus reflect that. 263 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: So I think now the conversation isn't you know, do 264 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: you have a problem or are you pregnant or is 265 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: there a health concern or you know, what's wrong with you. 266 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: I think that people are a little bit more kind, 267 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: and you know, they understand that you might be taking 268 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: a night off, you might be taking a lifetime off, and. 269 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: Like that's okay, m But yeah, to. 270 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: Answer your question, definitely some good things and you know, 271 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: some shocking, not so friendly things. 272 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, and was it hard to begin with? Like 273 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: fuck man, everyone's having like a cocktail, you know. 274 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, but like also no, like I think that I 275 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: was really motivated by the fact that I did not 276 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: want to lose this bet. And I this was also 277 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 2: like one of my closest friends. So if we weren't 278 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 2: together in the same room, you know, I did have 279 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 2: at least sometimes you know, people who were there who 280 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: were like, yeah, you have to beat him, like you 281 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: can't like let us down, you know what I mean. 282 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I just started feeling better 283 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: like ten days in, and I feel like that also 284 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: motivated me to. 285 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: Like keep going. 286 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: Yes, but I also knew that again, like this was 287 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: not for me as somebody who's not in recovery. This 288 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: was not a lifetime pledge. So for me like thinking like, okay, 289 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: I can do this for thirty one days, Like I 290 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: can't do anything for thirty one days. 291 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, So after that jam, after that first January, were 292 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: you motivated to keep going? I was like, February's here, 293 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: Like let's go. 294 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: For the first couple of years, Like February first, I went, 295 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: you know, headfirst into a cocktail, right, and it was 296 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: not the best decision. I don't know why I had 297 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 2: to make that mistake several times, but like I remember 298 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: that first year, I had like the worst red wine 299 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: hangover of my life and I had maybe two glasses. 300 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 2: And that really speaks to you. 301 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: Know clean you were. 302 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: I mean, my tours was so low, but I was 303 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: just yeah, I was in a lot of pain. I 304 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: think towards maybe like year four, I extended it, you know, 305 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: into February. I've gone as long as you know, six 306 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 2: months without alcohol, and now I do a number of 307 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: other dry months, Like I always do a sober October 308 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 2: now and sometimes I'll do like sober September. It just 309 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 2: kind of depends. Like I'm I'm also a really big 310 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: advocate of trying on alcoholic beverages, and so when people 311 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 2: ask me for advice, I want to be able to 312 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: tell them like, this is comparable. So I'm not against 313 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 2: you know, like sipping a cocktail or a glass of 314 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: wine in order to for the educational purposes of it. 315 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: All Right, Well, the my whole mocktail world is kind 316 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: of blowing up, blowing out. Yeah. I mean my daughter, 317 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, always like I'm getting in a mocktail, and 318 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: you know she loves them. Yeah. But do you attribute 319 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: that to people just trying to cut back on drinking 320 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: and wanting to have the experience of having a drink 321 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: that looks like a cocktail that doesn't have alcohol for 322 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: social purposes? 323 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: I guess I think for for a ton of reasons. 324 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: I think that for one, people want to have something 325 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: that's sophisticated. They want to sip on it. They're not 326 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: looking to chug like a glass of water at a bar, right, Yeah. 327 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: And I also think that like I kind of like 328 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: chalk it up to the same or equal experience of 329 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: like having a tasting menu with like wines. Right, you 330 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: want to still enjoy like food pairings and that social 331 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: experience and you know, sharing a drink with friends and 332 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 2: not being like on the completely opposite side of the spectrum, 333 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: which like there's nothing wrong with diet Cooke. I will 334 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: drink ten a day to take it, but you know, 335 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: like sometimes you just you want to feel like you're 336 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: having an adult drink just without booze. 337 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what have you? 338 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: So? 339 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: Okay, how many books have you written? 340 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: So I've written three, two are in the sober Curious. 341 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: Space, okay, and then you got a one coming out 342 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: in September, right, right, So that's the third, Okay, And 343 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: what's the third? 344 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 2: So it's called Going Dry. It is a work book 345 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 2: with like seventy plus activities and journaling prompts and you know, 346 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: ways for the reader to record how they're feeling and 347 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 2: really evaluate their relationship with alcohol and you know, drinking less. 348 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: Does it help you get through a dry month, Well, 349 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: is it does? Yeah. 350 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: You know what's funny is I think that it's easy 351 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: to remember like the sum of your month, right, Like 352 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: I can sit here and tell you like I had 353 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: you know, clearer skin and I felt better. And some 354 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: people know that they lose, you know, a certain amount 355 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: of weight over time. I don't, as I replace my 356 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 2: booze with ice cream. But I think that it is 357 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: so important to like draw down exactly how you're feeling 358 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: and report like how many hours of sleep? You know, 359 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: do what I have? I were, you know, a whoop 360 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: and that sleep because I'm lazy. But I think it's 361 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 2: just so telling. Is now, even when I'll have a drink, 362 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: I'll see how that affects me and you know, even 363 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 2: my mood. Like sometimes it'll be a beautiful day, I'll 364 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: have like the best weekend, and I'm like, why do 365 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: I feel so down? And then I have to remember, like, oh, 366 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 2: I had a glass of wine the other night and 367 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: it's probably still affecting me in some way. So yeah, 368 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 2: I think it's important to you know, really track like 369 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: your feelings, like your you know, physically mentally emotional. 370 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: Sure, well, it's funny because people drink. There's a million 371 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: different reasons why people drink. I mean, no one, no 372 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: one drinks for health. Okay, You're drinking to be social, 373 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: You're drinking because of pain, You're drinking because you have anxiety. 374 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there's all different reasons why people drink. The 375 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: best way to drink is because you're out with your 376 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: friends and you want to have a good time, right right. 377 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: But the interesting thing about alcohol, and I'm only speaking 378 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: from experience, because you know, I have anxiety and you 379 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: know life is crazy, and you can drink and you 380 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: can alleviate that for the time being. But the problem 381 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: is is that alcohol perpetuates those feelings. It masks them, 382 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: but then makes them worse. You know, when you have 383 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: a hangover, your anxiety is an exacerbated ten X, you 384 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and it's this awful, horrible feeling. 385 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: But then you have to drink again to sort of 386 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: get back into that place of normality, normalcy, and you're chasing, 387 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: You're just chasing, chasing. I've experienced that before. And then 388 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: once you come off of it for three, four, even 389 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: four or five days, the clarity that you have, you know, 390 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: just the life force that you have again is so amazing. 391 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: It feels good to feel good, you know, but there's 392 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: also a part of you thinking am I missing out 393 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: on something when in reality you're fucking not, you know. 394 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: And I think taking a month to actually experience feeling 395 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: good and feeling what your best self could feel like, 396 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: it's probably one of the great things you can do 397 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: because you've given yourself an example of your potential. You know, 398 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: are there tricks because we're just based on willpower. It's 399 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: just like okay, it's dry January, Okay, fuck off alcohol 400 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: and you know, here we go. But that's that's that's 401 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: hard to do when you have patterns, you know. 402 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of tips that I have 403 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 2: that I think can help sustain that you know, positive attitude, 404 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: because I think everyone starts off really strong, hm that 405 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 2: first weekend rolls around and they're like itching the happy 406 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: hour or like, you know, it's like, oh what am 407 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: I doing now? So I always say it's a great 408 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: idea to recruit a friend. You don't have to make 409 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 2: a bet like I did. I certainly think that motivated me. 410 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: But I think having a friend who will be there 411 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: to you know, listen to the ups and downs, and 412 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: you'll be able to cheer lead for them too is 413 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 2: really helpful, and you can vent to them. I know 414 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: that my friend and I we had like the funniest 415 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: text chain going back and forth for a really long 416 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: time being like, oh, it sucks to be with people 417 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: who are so drunk right now, but you know that 418 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: was also a reason to it was probably time to 419 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: go home. So that's that's Number one. It's recruit a friend. 420 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: Somebody's going to back you up and cheer you on, 421 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: and you'll do the same for them. Number two is 422 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 2: I always say take the lead in making plans. So 423 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: even if your Friday night always revolves around going to 424 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 2: a bar, I would just like take the reins your 425 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: friend group and say we're going to do this instead, 426 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 2: and find a way that makes you comfortable even if 427 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: they are drinking, Like make sure you're going to a 428 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: bar with non alcoholic options, or you're I don't know, 429 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: maybe you're going bowling so that you have something to 430 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: do with your hands, or like, you know, some other 431 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: activity that isn't centered around booze. I think that's really important. 432 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 2: The third is trying on alcoholic beverages. There are so 433 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: many wine, beer and spirits that are non alcoholic that 434 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: are actually good. There are websites like Better Roads is one. 435 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,479 Speaker 2: They have a huge selection of all of those things, 436 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: and even pre made cocktails. There's even functional cocktails now, 437 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 2: like a brand called Domo that you know will just 438 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: like kind of release the same. 439 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: Energy as Yeah, I've I've been reading about these where 440 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: it's like it's non alcoholic, but it's giving you an 441 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: a a you know, a sensation of some kind exactly. 442 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,120 Speaker 1: It's not caffeine or anything, but like. 443 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 2: That's given and you're still good to drive, and you're 444 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: still good to make decisions, and you know you're not 445 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: going to be waking up the next day and being like, 446 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 2: oh my god, what did I do last night? So 447 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: that's another tip. And I think above all, I think 448 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 2: it's just so so important to be kind to yourself 449 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: throughout the entire process. I always say that even if you're, 450 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 2: you know, doing a dry January and you have a 451 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: drink where you have a night of drinking, just start 452 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 2: again the next day. Like you don't have to be perfect. 453 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: It's not about punishing yourself. It's really about seeing how 454 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: alcohol affects your day to day life, what your relationship 455 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 2: is to it. And you know, just drinking less. I 456 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: think less is better, is more? Right? 457 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: I think you make a great point be kind to 458 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: yourself because not just with this, but anything that you're 459 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: trying to do and make a habit of in a 460 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: good way, meaning meditation or not drinking or you know, 461 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: working out, and you set goals for yourself, and you 462 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: set schedules. When you mess up, we tend to fucking 463 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: beat ourselves up instead of being hey, you know what, okay, 464 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: it's all right whatever. You know, why am I be 465 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: kind to yourself here? So the meditation didn't go great, 466 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: it's not exactly perfect the way that you wanted to go, Okay, whatever, 467 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: So it's dry January, and oh man, I had the 468 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: cocktails of my friends. It was an amazing night. We 469 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: went to the concert and it was incredible and a 470 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: memory I'll never forget. Okay, start over, Be kind yourself. 471 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: I think that's an important message for sure. You know, now, 472 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: what about weed? What if I want to smoke weed 473 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: during my drive January? 474 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: I say, first of all, no judgment. However, it's not 475 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: like an excuse to dabble in other things. But everybody 476 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: has their own rules, right, Like some people are sober. 477 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: Some people are sober. Some people they do their own thing. 478 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's. 479 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: Your adventure, it's yeah, my month. But we definitely don't 480 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: want to lie replace the alcohol with other things potentially. 481 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: We're just we're trying to be as clear as possible. 482 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, well I think I draw the line there. 483 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm probably going to have to smoke a joint at night. 484 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: I appreciate your honesty. 485 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's you know, it's just gotta It's 486 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: just it's just gotta happen. You know. So when you 487 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: were did your drinking ever get bad? I mean, were 488 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: you ever drinking like getting hammered and you know, sloppy 489 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: and bad bad? 490 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: You know, I live in New York. It happens. 491 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 492 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 2: I actually recently wrote a piece for The Not about 493 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: attending my cousin's bachelorette party and like telling the group 494 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: of other individuals on this trip that I needed to 495 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: like take a rest on the subway platform and like 496 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: lie my head on somebody who's like double that. So 497 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: like listen, like I've had my fun, I've had my 498 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: whatever it is. I I never had a dependency issue, 499 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: and certainly, you know, looking back, I think that every 500 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: I shouldn't say everyone, but I think a lot of 501 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,239 Speaker 2: people have, you know, moments in their lifetime where they 502 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: are like that's a little curious. But no, for the 503 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: most part, you know, just living my life as a 504 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: twenty something in New York has had its stories. 505 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: And how old are you now? 506 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, how old am I? I'm thirty six? 507 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, So what's this dry dating that you've talked about? 508 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a fun one. So I'm now engaged. 509 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: Congratulations. 510 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: Thanks. But you know, for for a number of years, 511 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: especially during my dry months, I was single, and I 512 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: remember that first year and the second year. It was 513 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: just a very interesting conversation to have with people, especially 514 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: like that first year, I was not planning on doing 515 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: a dry month. I you know, made a bet at midnight, 516 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: like went home to my apartment that night slash morning 517 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: after the ball drops, woke up in my apartment and 518 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, there are bottles of 519 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 2: wine everywhere. There is, you know, a bar card with everything, 520 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: Like what am I doing? So I think that explaining 521 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: to people that I was like dating at the time, 522 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 2: like you know, each year, like I'm just I'm not 523 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: going to have go on these like dates where we're drinking. 524 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: It was a little bit of an adjustment. But again, 525 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: like I think some people were gun ho and like 526 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: we're really supportive and also wanted me to win that bet, 527 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: and other people just didn't get it. And I think 528 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: for me that became a red flag like if this 529 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 2: person isn't supporting something that is beneficial to my health 530 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 2: and you know, just me being a curious person and 531 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 2: seeing how it turns out. Then when I tell you 532 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 2: the other goals and weird things that I think are 533 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 2: cool and that I want to accomplish, like how are 534 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: you going to react? And and I think that was 535 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: very eye opening to me. You know, if somebody was 536 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 2: pushy about like oh you should be drinking or like 537 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: it's one, I was like, you're not my person. 538 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: So the idea is is finding someone who who's accepting 539 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: of that part of a few? Yeah, I think also 540 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: as far as I dating goes, Yeah, given that. 541 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: It's it's thirty one days and I was not imposing 542 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: these rules on. 543 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: Them, right, they could drink if they want. 544 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 2: I was just like, I'm not drinking, but why is 545 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: that bothering you? 546 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: Well, it's just you know, they're projecting, and that's just 547 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: self reflective essentially. You know, if I have a problem, 548 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: you're not drinking, it's like what you're telling me that 549 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: I have a problem. I mean that's internally subconsciously, I'm 550 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: sure that's what they're saying to themselves, you know. 551 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, like as we were saying, like, drinking means 552 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 2: different things to different people. It means fun, it means bonding, 553 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: it means celebration. So when you tell someone I'm not 554 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: drinking and they associate drinking with fun, celebration, bonding, you know, togetherness, 555 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: it can get a little bit fuzzy, I think on 556 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 2: the receiving end. So yeah, I think it was just 557 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: an easier way to like read out, you know, yeah, 558 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 2: not my person. 559 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: And what about your man? Now, what's what are his 560 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: drinking habits? 561 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: He loves tequila, he dranks. He definitely drinks less since 562 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 2: we started dating. Yeah, but you know, we met in 563 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: December of twenty one, and I think it must have 564 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 2: been like our second date and I was like, by 565 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 2: the way, I'm not going to be drinking next month, 566 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, like what is that? Like 567 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: He's yeah, he's you know, a casual social drinker. 568 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, does he do? Is he done dry January? 569 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 2: He has not? Again, like I'm not, I'm not pushing 570 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: it on him. He's done dry like thirty one days 571 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: he has. Yeah, And he also like he played baseball 572 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: in college, so like they were pretty strict about you. 573 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, all that stuff. But yeah, that's 574 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: a great wedding date. 575 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 2: I don't have one yet. I already decided I'm going 576 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 2: to have a non alcoholic cocktail. Is like my signature cocktail. Yeah, yeah, 577 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 2: but no, we haven't planned yet. 578 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: Well, don't get married in January. 579 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 2: No, I don't think I can. It's gonna be like 580 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 2: I think it would just be like a little too 581 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 2: busy for me. 582 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: We cannot get married in January. This is you know, 583 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: it's your wedding. Like we need to be free and 584 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: clear to do what we want. It's also freezing in 585 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: New York's freezing. Yeah, forget about that. 586 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 587 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: No, or October if you do Silber October. October is 588 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: beautiful in New York, right, Yeah, but we can't do 589 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: Silber October on your wedding, can we? 590 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: You know, we can do whatever. I don't know. We'll see, 591 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 2: I'll report back. To you after the wedding, and I'm 592 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 2: looking on, you know, at my wedding. Maybe it will, 593 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 2: maybe it won't. I don't want to add stress to 594 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: the day either. 595 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have any take on sort of these 596 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, psilocybin and you know, the sort of these 597 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: new psychedelic wave of you know, not just there's a 598 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: healing aspect, there's a medicinal aspect to it. But do 599 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: you have opinions on that at all? I know we're 600 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: talking about alcohol, but you know, this is a it's 601 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: a substance. It's hard to call it a narcotic. I 602 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 1: would call alcohol more of a narcotic than I would 603 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, THC honestly, or maybe even a psilocybin. But 604 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts about that at all? 605 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not a medical doctor, so I can't say. 606 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: Like, right, no, of course, not good or bad. 607 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: And I think that people should also talk to their 608 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 2: doctors and like, you know, discuss why they're interested in 609 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 2: these things, right. I think it works for people, it does, 610 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 2: and I think for other people it doesn't. So it's 611 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,919 Speaker 2: hard to say. That's that's all I can say about that. 612 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, thanks for talking. You know, September third, right 613 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: when the book comes out, Going Going Dry, Going Dry, Well, 614 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: I will check in with you and let you know 615 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: what I'm doing. 616 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 2: I will check in with you. I hope that you 617 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 2: have a wonderful rest of the month, whether it is 618 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 2: dry or I'm trying. 619 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying. I mean, for me, it's starting slow, you 620 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, well, okay, let's just 621 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 1: try to live every day and see where I'm at 622 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: with the drinking part. Meaning, you know, yesterday we biked 623 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: into you know, a place called Woody Creek Tavern, which 624 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: is just fun day and you have beers and da 625 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: da da, And I was like, I'm not gonna drink. 626 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: And I didn't have beers. When I sat down at 627 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: the table, it was difficult, and I was like, I'll 628 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: have an Arnold Palmer, like, eh, after you get over 629 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: that initial shock, then you feel good. 630 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 2: You know. 631 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: I didn't go out to dinner with my family last 632 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: night because I didn't want to have a martini and 633 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: I knew that I kind of would if I went 634 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: out to dinner. You know, So I'm trying little things. Ok. 635 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 2: Have you dabbled in the non alcoholic beverages? 636 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: No, I haven't. Okay, I haven't, and I probably should. 637 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: I just don't quite understand them, you know, because yeah, okay, 638 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: do you have a do you have a do you 639 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: have a company or something? 640 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 2: No? But I know people. 641 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, definitely, I'd love to try. You know. It's 642 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: just for me. It's not about the social aspect of 643 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: having a drink that looks like a drink in my hand. 644 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: It's about the actual drink itself. And I do love 645 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: martiniz and I do love certain drinks or a groany 646 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: or whatever. And it's the taste and it's the feeling, 647 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: and it's that that moment, you know what I mean. 648 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 1: But I'll try it because I'm just closed minded to it, honestly, 649 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: you know so, and I'm a very open minded human, 650 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: so I should probably open my mind to it and 651 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,359 Speaker 1: give it a shot. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'd love 652 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: to send me some I'll you'll get my email and stuff, 653 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: send me some brands or something that you know I 654 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: can pick up or something like that. 655 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 2: What I'll do is I'll send you a list of 656 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 2: some brands that I like and their links a great shoes, 657 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 2: or I'll just send you like all of all of. 658 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 1: Them whatever, be great. Yeah, I would love that. Yeah, 659 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: I get my email because I would like to. I 660 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: would like to, you know, because and then I'll let 661 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: you go. But I'm just I just do you feel 662 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: so much fucking better when you're not drinking. No, it's 663 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: just it's just a fact, you know. And then have 664 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: those moments, have those nights, have those crazy fun nights. 665 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,439 Speaker 1: But then like, dang, you don't need to drink every day. 666 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: That's where I want to get to because again, it's 667 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 1: that sober curious I don't need to be sober. Sober 668 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's not affecting my life and ruining my life. 669 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: It's just ruining the way that I feel, right, I 670 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: like feeling like shit insides. Yeah, and I'm almost fifty. 671 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: I'll be forty eight in September. It's I get your 672 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: shit together, dude. 673 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 2: You know what are you going to do for your birthday? 674 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: Get hammered? No? No, no, no. 675 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 2: Well, if you go the rest of the month you 676 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 2: don't drink, and you have one drink, you will get hammered. 677 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 1: Yes, no, I know. I've noticed that. Even five days 678 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: the other day when I'm in Colorado right now, I 679 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: went five days without drinking, and then you know, we 680 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: were celebrating someone who was forming, and I was like, 681 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: all right, we'll have a night. And you know, I 682 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: had like a couple of martinis and a couple of cocktails, 683 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: like maybe four or five, which for me is normally sadly, 684 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: it's that's not enough to like put me over the edge. 685 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: But I was so hung over the next day, you know, 686 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: because even five days without alcohol, it was just like I, 687 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, so, but my birthday, I don't know. I 688 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: don't care about my birthday. Everyone else does, like we're 689 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: gonna do this, We're gonna have a party, like whatever, whatever, 690 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. 691 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. 692 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care, but I probably will 693 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: have cocktails on my birthday. Fair, thank you so much, 694 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: firing and light Yep, have a good one, all right, 695 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: see you later. Wow, she's so healthy. Everything about her, 696 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: like attitude is just like so healthy. Yeah, she probably 697 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: feels great. You know, all right, that was fun. No 698 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: more alcohol. Things like this is starting to become a pattern, 699 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: Like you know that everyone's gonna think that I'm a 700 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: an alcoholic. I'm not, God damn it. I'm just trying 701 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: to become a better person by the time, a fifty 702 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: healthy body. H Anyway, I am going to go now 703 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: and not have a cocktail. It's raining, but you know 704 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: it'll be great right now, like a hot toddy, you 705 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like with whiskey, hot water, honey, lemon, 706 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: and like a cinnamon stick in the rain in Colorado. 707 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: See why does that give me a boner? You know 708 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: what I mean? It's like instead of just sitting, you know, 709 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: looking at the rein reading a book. Great, but the 710 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: real boner pops when you've got a hot totty next 711 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: to you while you're doing the same thing. Anyway, let's 712 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: stop talking about that, all right. I'm out, I'm out 713 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:23,439 Speaker 1: of here.