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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at foxination and

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Speaker 1: series six one eleven. How is it happening that this

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Speaker 2: He is not only walking free and posting.

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Speaker 1: Videos of him at extravagant restaurants toasting champagne.

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Speaker 2: He's not only.

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Speaker 1: Walking free, but his business goes on a sex trafficker.

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Speaker 1: According to Elle Law Enforcement, how is that happening? Should

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Speaker 3: Most people know Andrew Tate for his online content, which

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Speaker 4: Breaking news, disgraced influencer Andrew Tait has been indicted and

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Speaker 1: I can't stop someone from being misogynistic, that's within them.

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Speaker 2: But I tell you this much, we can stop sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: And what's so amazing is he's not trafficking women in secret.

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Speaker 1: Back of massage parlors and nail salons with their papers

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Speaker 1: This is right in our face. This is happening right online.

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Speaker 5: BBC Prosecutors have filed formal charges against the controversial influence

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us forty five known alleged victims.

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Speaker 1: For guys This isn't just a single instance when assets

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Speaker 1: With how many people this guy is controlling and how

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Speaker 1: In one message, this woman hater describes how he isolated

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Speaker 9: This is Don Shiller.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, this is Don Schiller.

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Speaker 1: And joining us training director for the La County Project

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Speaker 1: with Coalition to Abolish Slavery and Trafficking. She's the best

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Speaker 1: selling author of the Road through Wonderland, Surviving John Holmes.

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Speaker 9: Ahead, thank you, thank you. I also call myself a

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Speaker 6: Prosecutors outline the testimony and the evidence against Andrew Taate.

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Speaker 6: It includes transcriptions of text and audio messages which appear

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Speaker 1: Slaving women from ten to twelve hours a day. Okay

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Speaker 1: to doctor Joni Johnstone, forensic psychologist and private investigator, author

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Speaker 1: of serial Killers. One hundred and one question true crime

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Speaker 1: fans ask doctor Johnny, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Explain what's happening here?

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, I think the scale, or on the

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Speaker 10: potential scale of what is going on is mind boggling.

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Speaker 10: But the actual techniques that we're hearing about, I mean,

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Speaker 10: how many times do we heard these Nancy, you know,

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Speaker 1: Guys, you think this hasn't happened before, It's happened so

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Speaker 1: many times before sex cults, and it's always women and

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Speaker 1: who are forced into pimping out for other guys. Take

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Speaker 1: a list to our cut nineteen. We're talking about Nexium.

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Speaker 11: Alison Mack is due in court facing sex trafficking charges

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Speaker 11: organization called Nexium, based out of Albany, New York. Mac

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum joining me, founder and director of the Cold

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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute. You can find her at coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Nexium is a US

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Speaker 1: based sex cult where people were actually allowed being branded

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Speaker 1: and beaten right here under our nose, including celebrities. The

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Speaker 1: only thing different here with Andrew Tate is he's rubbing

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Speaker 12: I think some terminology here is going to be important.

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Speaker 1: Terminology h rear end how is terminology going to put

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Speaker 2: Terminology? What does that matter to me?

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Speaker 12: Because they need to understand who he is. They keep

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Speaker 12: using words like that, gurney, who's they today? On the show?

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Speaker 12: People have said grooming that implies over time. Listen to

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Speaker 12: me very carefully. There are three types of pimps. There's

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Speaker 12: the ceo pimp, there's a robo pimp, and there's the

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Speaker 12: The Romeo pimp may tell her, hey, you're my wife,

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Speaker 12: The gentleman that is doing all of this, he can

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Speaker 1: And when you say working eight hours a day, what

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Speaker 1: you mean is enduring rape after rape after rape after

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Speaker 2: Pimp gets the money. I hear somebody jumping in, who

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and this is Dawn again, And I want to

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Speaker 9: exploiter can be anybody. It can be a professional, It

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Speaker 9: could be a family member, it could be anybody. All right,

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Speaker 9: It depends on the situation, and it depends on their opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I hear you don you say potato,

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Speaker 1: I say potato.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: You and Cheryl and everybody else. You're all right, but

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Speaker 1: you can use whatever names you want. This guy needs

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Speaker 1: to be behind bars. He does not need to be

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Speaker 1: out at an Italian restaurant toasting crystal. He is rubbing

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Speaker 1: traffkey organization to you, Caitlin Beck Her senior investigator reporter

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Speaker 1: Jalenmeil dot com, could you please explain, obviously I'm not

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Speaker 1: doing a good job, and I accept that you can

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Speaker 1: do much better than me. Explaining what kind of hate

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Speaker 8: Well, first and foremost, Nancy, just to sort of put

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Speaker 8: poorly timed pun there too. He himself had a course

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Speaker 1: You know what, you are so polite, I am not PhD.

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Speaker 1: Pimpin hoose degree. That's what he calls women, ladies, whores,

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Speaker 1: pamping whores degree. Now, if he were just those are

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Speaker 1: terroristic threats. But these aren't just words. Where do you

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, please, Taitlin Becker.

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Speaker 8: Well, on top of that, Nancy, with the money, he

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Speaker 8: essentially ran a pyramid scheme with his hustlers University that

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Speaker 8: In addition to this, the War Room, which was certainly

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Speaker 8: more nefarious, and we know from those leaked text messages

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Speaker 8: what it comes down to is he had a lot

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I need you right now to help me

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Speaker 1: explain that I'm going to go to our other all

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Speaker 1: star guests. First of all, a renowned international attorney is

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Speaker 1: joining us, greg Algrin and Lee Reeber, incredible forensic detective. Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: I'm not making it clear. I don't think I need

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Speaker 1: you have to either be a sex assault victim yourself,

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Speaker 1: which guess what you'd be really surprised about the people

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Speaker 1: or you have gone and you have seen for yourself

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Speaker 1: Help me, Cheryl, I can't describe the stench, the smell,

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Speaker 1: right now. While we're talking about which word to you,

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Speaker 12: I think you're doing a beautiful job. But I know

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Speaker 1: Now, Cheryl hold On, I want to talk about grown women. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and yes, everything you just said was right, But these women,

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Speaker 12: The beatings are real. So you are so afraid to

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Speaker 2: I think I hear Lee Reeber joining me. Lee? Is

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Speaker 2: that you? Who am I hearing?

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Speaker 9: This? Is Don Schilder again. I don't think I am

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Speaker 9: a survivor of all of that. That is exactly what

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Speaker 9: I went through. I went through that with John Holmes.

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Speaker 9: I went through that with almost six years of being hidden,

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Speaker 8: I did all of that.

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Speaker 9: I know that is a life sentence. So I feel

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Speaker 9: I agree with you one hundred percent is absolutely egregious.

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Speaker 9: That he's just throwing it in people's faces is even

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Speaker 9: I lived that. I know exactly what it feels like.

436
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Speaker 9: You don't know you're a victim when you are coming

437
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Speaker 9: out of that. You've been brainwashed into believe in that

438
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Speaker 9: you did it to yourself if you consented to all

439
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 9: of that. That's part of the tactics that they use.

440
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Speaker 9: That's part of the way that these women are trapped.

441
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Speaker 9: I do care for them, and I thank you for

442
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 9: caring for them as well, I think that's important to hear.

443
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Speaker 9: But I also wanted to let you know because I

444
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Speaker 9: didn't think it was heard before that I am a

445
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Speaker 9: survivor of all of these atrocities and more.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody like you, like me, like Cheryl,

447
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: like all of us on this panel can sit back,

448
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Speaker 1: and I mean it could drive you crazy, because while

449
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: you're having your morning coffee or your tea, or driving

450
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Speaker 1: your children to school, this is happening to these ladies.

451
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear. Everybody on the panel. Greg

452
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Speaker 1: Algrin is joining us as well as Lee Reeber. Greg

453
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Speaker 1: high profile international lawyer with the US dash Inmax Law Group.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this more of the messages and the misogynistic

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Speaker 1: hate spewed.

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Speaker 2: By this alleged sex trafficker.

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Speaker 1: This is in his wor room instructs members to quote

458
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Speaker 1: punish victims that would be women for transgressions by having

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Speaker 1: her get our name tattooed on her. One group leader,

460
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Speaker 1: called a general, describes how he hit a woman in

461
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Speaker 1: the head with her own keyboard when she complained about something.

462
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: The woman who worked for him then went in the

463
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Speaker 1: room and were seven hours without a break. It goes

464
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Speaker 1: on and on and on about how to beat and

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Speaker 1: control women to perform pornographic acts group sex, many online,

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Speaker 1: many on screen.

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Speaker 2: Greg Algrin is joining us. Greg.

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Speaker 1: A lot of what I know from these alleged messages

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Speaker 1: of Andrew Tates I can't bring myself to repeat on

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Speaker 1: the air.

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Speaker 2: But let me ask you, what can the US do

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Speaker 2: about it?

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Speaker 1: Because there are so many victims here, I believe, including

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Speaker 1: one victim whose name has somehow been linked, and all

475
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: these a holes working for Tait or working under Tait

476
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: have actually started trolling her and sending this woman death threats.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are we going to do about it?

478
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: And what can we do about it?

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Speaker 13: Sure, the situation is just it's it's so outrageous that

480
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Speaker 13: it cries out for legal accountability. And I think, you know,

481
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 13: eventually it has to catch up with all of them

482
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Speaker 13: in a permanent right, because Andrew Tate is a citizen

483
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Speaker 13: by birth of the United States, and so he can

484
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Speaker 13: flee the country, but he can't. He can't lose that citizenship.

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Speaker 13: And that means the US, with his network of mutual

486
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Speaker 13: legal assistance treaties, is always going to have an interest. Perhaps,

487
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Speaker 13: you know, it's a question of sort of capturing the

488
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Speaker 13: attentional law enforcement. But the US has the means to

489
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Speaker 13: catch up with it wherever he is and ensure there's

490
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Speaker 13: some legal accountability. So it needs to happen a lot

491
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Speaker 13: of times. It's very, very slow, it's bureaucratic, but it's

492
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Speaker 13: a process that is it can be virtually impossible to

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Speaker 13: escape from once it gets started. So hopefully we'll see

494
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Speaker 13: sooner rather than later, that legal accountability. There's a structure

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Speaker 13: for it. It just needs to be engaged.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand while the US is sitting on its thumbs,

497
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Speaker 1: got any insight into that, Greg.

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Speaker 13: No, I don't. But you know, a lot of times

499
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Speaker 13: there's a great deal of legal work that's going on

500
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 13: that is, you know, it's sealed, it's off the record,

501
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 13: it's not public, and you know, perhaps one's arrest warrants

502
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 13: are issued, one's arrests are made, or initial please are

503
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 13: made the stuff becomes public. I would think that there's

504
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Speaker 13: stuff going on behind the scenes. For example, the US

505
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Speaker 13: in Romania have a mutual legal assistance treaty that goes

506
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Speaker 13: about nearly twenty years. I think the machinery has probably

507
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Speaker 13: been engaged, and there's stuff it works that just simply

508
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 13: isn't public yet.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're right. I pray that you're right. Time

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Speaker 2: Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 1: Greg Algrin is joining US guys renowned international attorney. I

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Speaker 1: want you to hear this. Caitlin Becker joining US senior

513
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Speaker 1: porterdalon maail dot com Andrew take Quote told rape victim

514
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: he would get her pregnant, lock her away, allegedly find

515
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: webcam workers that started crying during sex acts on webcam

516
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: and tried to coerce them into group sex and then

517
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: they started crying, and so he punished them. This is

518
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: his business that is making five million dollars a month.

519
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: One victor claims Tate tried to force her to have

520
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: group sex and said shut up horror when she tried

521
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Speaker 1: to object. There are hundreds and hundreds of pages of

522
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Speaker 1: reported testimony and evidence verbally physically abusing these women. One

523
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: woman tells prosecutors Tate, now thirty six, would rape her

524
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Speaker 1: while holding her head so as she couldn't move, and

525
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: threatened to get her pregnant. I mean, it goes on

526
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Speaker 1: and on and on. He would take her clothes and

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Speaker 1: shoes away from her and continue to beat her. Shut

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Speaker 1: up horror, you will do as I say. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on, and I'm reading

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Speaker 1: you only portions of what I know. Caitlin Becker, there

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Speaker 1: are US victims. What is wrong with US prosecutors? What

532
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Speaker 1: are the FEDS doing?

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Speaker 8: As you just heard, I don't know, As you just heard,

534
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Speaker 8: I don't know what they're doing. And we don't see

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Speaker 8: what's going on behind closed doors. But from where I'm

536
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 8: sitting and from the investigative work that we have done,

537
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 8: because we have covered this a lot, it doesn't look

538
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 8: like they are doing anything to necessarily protect these US victims.

539
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 8: And at least one of the victims has been docked

540
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Speaker 8: online and docting is the act of having your personal

541
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Speaker 8: information revealed. And this is happening to these women who

542
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 8: were already allegedly victimized repeatedly by Andrew Tate and his brother.

543
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Speaker 8: They're now being harassed by the followers, by the sort

544
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Speaker 8: of cadre of toxic masculinity that has followed Andrew Kate

545
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 8: around for years. They are now getting together and essentially

546
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 8: trolling and bullying these victims. And certainly, we from our perspective,

547
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 8: have tried everything we can to protect their identities when

548
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 8: we're reporting on this. But you can't stop these men

549
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 8: who are in this for pay for play group where

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Speaker 8: they are given access to this information. And the things

551
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Speaker 8: Andrew Kat has said to these women in these messages,

552
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Speaker 8: these alleged horrific things that you just read, they don't

553
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Speaker 8: surprise me and they don't shock me because what he

554
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 8: said publicly isn't much better. That's the type of person

555
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Speaker 8: he is. He created this multi million dollar business off

556
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Speaker 8: of bullying women. So the fact that his followers are

557
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 8: now bullying the victims and the fact that these are

558
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Speaker 8: the things that he said aren't surprising. I feel like

559
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Speaker 8: we should have gone after the Andrew Kates of the

560
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Speaker 8: world when they were just saying these things, and maybe

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Speaker 8: we wouldn't have gotten to this point. I mean, you

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Speaker 8: don't want to stop someone.

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Speaker 1: Many of these women, apparently Caitlin Our, promise love a marriage,

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Speaker 1: and then they are transported, many of them to Romania

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Speaker 1: where they are gang rape, sex exploited, and subjected to

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Speaker 1: physical violence. There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

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Speaker 1: pages of reported violence to Lee Reaber, a forensic expert,

568
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Speaker 1: CEO of Oxygen Forensics, author of Mobile Forensics investigations and

569
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Speaker 1: podcast Forensic Happy Hour and you can find them at

570
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Speaker 1: oxygen Forensic dot com. Lee, how can the US get

571
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Speaker 1: involved since apparently the other countries are spineless? Hey, but

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Speaker 1: at lea's Romania got an indictment. We've done nothing. Even

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Speaker 1: Romania is doing a better job than we are.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, I think it might come down to

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Speaker 14: what they don't want to find. But it's relatively easy

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Speaker 14: well to extract that entire channel. To note that Telegram

577
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Speaker 14: channel still open as of today. To note yesterday September sixth,

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Speaker 14: they had like nine hundred and thirty nine people subscribed

579
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Speaker 14: and today looking at that channe know there's nine hundred

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Speaker 14: and forty seven people subscribe, So quite interesting that it

581
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Speaker 14: want it's still open. However, the federal law enforcement would

582
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Speaker 14: be able to one seize that channel really and begin

583
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Speaker 14: the investigation by collecting the digital data. However, using Telegram,

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Speaker 14: Telegram you can have your messages delete after three days

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Speaker 14: one day immediately after being read, and that makes it

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Speaker 14: difficult as well. It also makes it difficult the jurisdiction

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Speaker 14: being Telegram is a Russian owned company and communication is

588
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Speaker 14: done there, and you now have that issue with trying

589
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Speaker 14: to obtain it. However, it's there are various means to

590
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Speaker 14: collect information from any cloud service having specific information, and

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Speaker 14: it seems as though the release of the twelve thousand

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Speaker 14: pages that they either have someone on the inside that

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Speaker 14: can gives them access and gives them potentials.

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Speaker 1: One victim reports a take coworker, a henchman threatens to

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Speaker 1: quote break her teeth that she would end up in

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Speaker 1: the morgue. The women creating porn for Tates Brothers webcam

597
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: business allege their income is controlled by the Tates. They

598
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: are fined or punished if they start crying during a

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Speaker 1: sex act, if they wipe their nose, if they take

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Speaker 1: too long on a break. One victim claims she was

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Speaker 1: told she was loved and promised marriage, then was coerced

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Speaker 1: into having group sex.

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Speaker 2: She refused. It just goes on and on and on.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 1: I'm deeply disappointed the FEDS have not acted on behalf

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Speaker 1: of the US victims.

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Speaker 2: At the very least.

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Speaker 12: I'm really shocked that irins it involved. I mean, they

609
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Speaker 12: can get in without invitation.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, that's a good idea, Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when the fens can't get you the irs can,

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Speaker 1: which is a note to all regarding tax season.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 12: But you know we've got the electronic means, we've got

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Speaker 12: live victims, we've got patterns of abuse, we've got social

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Speaker 12: medium videos. He's not hiding. Plus we have the money trail.

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Speaker 12: So there's about eight different ways to go with this

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Speaker 12: person to shut the whole thing down. And you know

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Speaker 12: that includes people that have used debit cards and credit

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Speaker 12: cards to join this membership. To me, let's pull the

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Speaker 12: whole file. Let's start reaching out to these people saying, hey,

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Speaker 12: we know who you are.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I forgot to tell you something, Cheryl McCollum. Andrew

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Speaker 1: Tate is now suing his accusers in the human trafficking case,

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Speaker 1: including a Florida woman. This is another tool in his

626
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Speaker 1: arsenal to sue the women that are accusing them, that

627
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Speaker 1: are accusing the Tates, the Tate brothers and all of

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Speaker 1: his Hinch people. For somebody that doesn't understand the legal system,

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Speaker 1: Greg Algren, that's a huge threat to get a lawsuit

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Speaker 1: filed against you. And you think you're going to lose

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Speaker 1: the little bit you've saved, your car, your house, everything

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Speaker 1: you say for your children.

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Speaker 13: So Yeah, that's that's a major threat. Again, we have

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Speaker 13: to wonder what's going on behind the scenes. The US

635
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Speaker 13: and Romania have a usual legal assistance treaty, but you know,

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Speaker 13: maybe the larger contacts here is influencing. Romania is a

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Speaker 13: NATO member, you know, so perhaps on the government of

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Speaker 13: the government level.

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Speaker 1: You know, did you really just say nay time member

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Speaker 1: when women are getting riped right now?

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Speaker 13: It's terrible, But I mean, maybe that explains the Maybe

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Speaker 13: that explains the inaction on the part of the apparent

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Speaker 13: in action on the on the part of US law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me just Andrew Tate and his brothers and

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Speaker 1: all the defendants have insisted that they are innocent and

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Speaker 1: have not done anything wrong.

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Speaker 2: Some of them say they're being.

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Speaker 1: Targeted because they're so wildly popular and profitable that it's

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Speaker 1: really I guess we're all just jealous, that that's why

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Speaker 1: we're going after them.

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Speaker 2: They all say they're innocent.

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Speaker 1: They have not been proven guilty in a court of law,

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Speaker 1: and under our constitution they are presumed innocent until proven

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Speaker 1: otherwise in court. We wait as justice and false tick talk.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye to