1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business of Sports talk about some of 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: the more interesting aspects of business of sports. So there's 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: all kinds of cool questions. So this is a fun 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: topic to the country is finally getting the memo about 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: how amazing the sport is. I think the sky's a 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: limit for MLS. We're spending more and more of our 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: time in a digital world, and it's also becoming a 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: really powerful place for commerce. It is so nice to 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: be back and to be able to have fans back 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: in the building. So despite the chaotic schedule, and this 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: is why we do what we do when you get 12 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: into the playoffs, so there's nothing better at the player 13 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: than the excitement and it's also for the organization monsters involved. 14 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. This is the 15 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business of Sports show, but we explore the big 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: money issues in the world of sports. Michael Blain and 17 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: Mike Lynch. Scarlet Food is off today, but she will 18 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: be back next week. Coming up today, we speak with 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: former Arizona Coyotes general manager John jacob In. At just 20 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: twenty six years old, he became the youngest GM in 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: the S three of the NHL, but just one day 22 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: before the start of the playoffs, John abruptly resigned after 23 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: a dispute with Coyotes ownership and the league. I think 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: everyone like smalligans, but life, life is, you know, making 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: what you've got in front of you, and uh, we 26 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: did a lot of great work there and and and 27 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: ultimately for me, it was a time to move on 28 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: that straight ahead on the Bloomberg Business of Sports show. 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: But first, let's look at some of the top stories 30 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: of the week, and let's begin with women's soccer. Earlier 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: this week, US Soccer and the U S national women's 32 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: team reached a twenty four million dollar agreement to subtle 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: allegations females were paid less than their male counterparts. Two 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: time FIFA Women's World Cup champion and two time gold 35 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: medalist Carly Lloyd joined ESPN and called it a historical moment. Well, 36 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: this has been a long, long journey, filled with some 37 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: moments of tension, and at the end of the day, 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: I think we're all really glad that I've reached settlement 39 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 1: and inch it is a historic moment. Is about time 40 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: that at least there's some effort for some parody when 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: it comes to pay. I think the great thing is 42 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: going forward now the United States Soccer will pay the 43 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: men and women equal amounts of money for all friendlies, 44 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: all tournaments, and especially the World Cup. Look back to 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: the last World Cup, which the United States women have 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: totally dominated. The men's World Cup champion in France, the 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: team was awarded thirty eight million dollars. The year later, 48 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: the women won the Women's World Cup US the United 49 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: States team and they were paid four million dollars. What 50 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: a disparity that is. It's absolutely awful. So now they've 51 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: come back and they're on their on equal ground. And 52 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: it's not just in women's soccer. The irony is. I 53 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 1: was playing trivial pursuit with my family a few days 54 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 1: ago and the question came up which women's team, uh 55 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: complained about the parody involved in their sport in And 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: I was just ready to say out of my lips, 57 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: oh yeah, women's soccer. But then all of a sudden, 58 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: it's like, well, wait a minute, I forgot the women's 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: hockey team also went through the exact same thing, Lynchie, correct, 60 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: they did, and that that will be addressed as well. Uh. 61 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: This is a precedent, setting a historic moment, as many 62 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: of the women have said four million dollars settlement. Twenty 63 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: two million will go to the players who brought the 64 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: case forward, and then they're gonna put two million dollars 65 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: into account for their post career playing days and also 66 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: for development of girls and young women's youth soccer across 67 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: this country. The women have done a great job. The 68 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: men have a long way to go. They're not even 69 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: close to accomplishing what these women have accomplished. And the 70 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: irony is is that another soccer star, Hope Solo. She 71 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: kind of complained about it because she says, well, wait 72 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: a minute, it's not a done deal yet. Yeah, she says, 73 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: that's it's contingent upon collective the new collective bargaining agreement. 74 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: So while it looks like a nice wrapped gift with 75 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: a nice bow and ribbon and nice wrapping paper inside, 76 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: to her right now, the gift is empty. So until 77 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: there's a c b A agreed upon, then the settlement 78 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: will be paid out onto. Another big topic of the week, 79 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: Brian Flores. He is you know he was dismissed by 80 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins last month. Well Flores says that he 81 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: declined to sign the Dolphins separation agreement in order to 82 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: speak out on treatment by the team. Uh. And your 83 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: thoughts about that, Lenchi well, Uh. According to Flores and 84 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: those who know him very well, he left millions of 85 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: dollars on the table. Now, this is a common practice 86 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: among the National Football League as long as you don't 87 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: get another job if you sign a nondisclosure agreement which 88 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: means you won't tell what the plays are and everything else. 89 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: It's a different situation here with Flores. You get the 90 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: money that you are owed and your contract. So here 91 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: was old millions of dollars from the Miami Dolphins. He 92 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: refused to sign that nondisclosure agreement. The Dolphins can test that, 93 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: and he finally has found a place to to coach 94 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: next year. And once again, the Pittsburgh Steelers are leaders 95 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: in diversity. They are leaders in doing the right thing, 96 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: which I think is the bottom line right here. The 97 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: right thing to do is to hire Brian Flores and 98 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: the late Dan Rooney twenty years ago implemented the Rooney 99 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: rule for interviews for minority candidates, and Brian Flores has 100 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: wind up coaching under Mike Tomlin. He's gonna be a 101 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: defensive assistant under Assimblin for the Steelers. Uh. The whole 102 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: thing came about when one of the things he complained 103 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: about in his allegations, he said he was offered a 104 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars per loss by the owner of the Dolphins. 105 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: In now, according to the Dolphins that that is not 106 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: true and this is going to be one of those 107 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: he said, he said, short of the sort of things 108 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: that's gonna be the tough thing to prove. The National 109 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: Football League is really digging in on this issue right here. 110 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: Both issues the fact that he was fired by the 111 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins, the nondisclosure agreement, and no, of course this 112 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: pertains to the integrity of the game tanking games, which 113 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: has surfaced a little bit. Hugh Jackson brought similar allegations 114 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: against the Cleveland Browns. But this is something that, if proven, 115 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: could cause Steven Ross his ownership of the Miami Dolphins. Finally, 116 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: lynd she yea, the ratings are in for the Winter 117 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: Olympics for NBC and uh, oh lordy, it is not good. Yeah, 118 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: you're you love to dabble into em betting every once 119 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: in a while, as we are well aware of. And 120 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: I think this might have been a slam dunk of 121 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: the year that NBC would lose money on these Olympics. 122 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: As we've discussed over the past two or three weeks, 123 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: they started the Olympics with one hand tied behind their back. 124 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: Most of the commentators stayed back in Connecticut with broadcasting 125 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: half a world away. Very few patrons allowed into many 126 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: of the venues. Uh, you could not go out and 127 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: do one of the one of the big attractions of 128 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: the Olympics is the host city in the host country, 129 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: and without having report is on the ground you get 130 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: you really don't get the feel of the culture and 131 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: what's going on in that particular country, in the region, 132 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: and of course all the political stress over there in China. 133 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 1: COVID once again the second Olympics in the role directly 134 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: affected by COVID. NBC had no shot whatsoever to recoup 135 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: some of the money. And they're in the you know, 136 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: they're in the whole. They did back. They've been seven 137 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: point seven five billion dollars to host every Olympics through 138 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: the year two and the IOC will not give them 139 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: any type of deals whatsoever. They were on the hook 140 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: for another ten years. The game reached an average combined 141 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: audience of eleven point for a million people in prime 142 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: time on NBC, the USA cable Network and the Peacock 143 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: streaming service. That is the lowest ever American audience for 144 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: any Olympics. Now, let me put it in perspective when 145 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: you talk about the ratings for the week between February 146 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 1: and according to the ratings in the top twenty prime 147 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: time programs, the Winter Olympics did place in the top four. 148 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: They were they were the first four. The fifth one 149 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: though was sixty minutes. They got just inside seven million viewers. Well, 150 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: the big night they had was the night they carried 151 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and right after the Super Bowl ended, 152 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: right at ten o'clock Eastern time, they switched over to 153 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: Olympic coverage from Beijing, and that was their highest rat 154 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: one of the highest rated nights they had there. And 155 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: that made up for a lot of empty knights and 156 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: bad ratings. And again, you know, Americans in this country, 157 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: we've we've got new habits. Now. People are waking up earlier, 158 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: going to work very early, they're going to bed earlier. 159 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: And when that prime time this was the marquee event 160 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: of the Games. And my money was the U S 161 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: women and Canada women and they dropped the puck at 162 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: eleven o'clock Eastern time, and very few people are staying 163 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: up and watching that till two o'clock in the morning. 164 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports show. We explore 165 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: the big money issues in the world of sports. Michael 166 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: barn and I'm Mike Lynch. Scarlett fou is off today, 167 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: she'll be back next week. Today we're speaking with former 168 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: Arizona Coyoties General manager John Jacob. At twenties six years old, 169 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: he became the youngest GM in the history of the NHL. John, 170 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, sir, Thank you very much. Thanks 171 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: for having me. Guys love the show. Well, thank you, 172 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: we appreciate it. I guess our first question twenty six 173 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: years old, how did you become the GM of an 174 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: NHL club? Yeah, it's a good question to start off with. 175 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: You know, look, it's um, you've never had any expectations. Uh, 176 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: And that's that's good because of my career has far 177 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: exceeded any of those expectations if I had them. So 178 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: I think that's the first thing. There's no grand plan 179 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: or um you know that wasn't you know a goal 180 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: I had or anything of that nature. It was you know, 181 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: just a confluence of being a lifelong learner um right place, 182 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: right time. You know they say you kind of picked 183 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: the wave, but you don't pick the size of it. 184 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: So I early on involved in uh you know, kind 185 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: of quantitative analysis side of hockey, and I had some 186 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: experience as an entrepreneur being a leader in a business, um. 187 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: And you know it all came together in a way 188 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: where I was able to you know take the reins 189 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: of an NHL club at a young age, and I 190 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: was amazing opportunity, learned a lot. Um. You had some 191 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: upsets and downs and and uh you know always feel 192 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: like uh again continually learning. So so it is great 193 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: experience and you know lucky to have the chance a 194 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: to do so. Do you think it was a for 195 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: you was a case of too much too soon? Uh, 196 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think so. UM in terms of 197 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: my you know, my experience that's been building businesses. UM. 198 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: You know, had experienced building a you know, high performance 199 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: center um about over a decade ago now and uh, 200 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, really learned a lot about the human performance side, nutrition, strength, conditioning, 201 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: the mental performance side of the things. UM. Like I 202 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: said that kind of spun off into you know, just 203 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: having the startup in quantitative analysis side of sports, uh 204 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: company called Staffletes was the founder and president of that 205 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: company and and ultimately that led to being an assistant 206 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: general manager in the league and eventually to the general manager. 207 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: So but while it was young, I think the culmination 208 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: of experiences really allowed me, you know, great experience and 209 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: and uh um, you know, a depth of knowledge and 210 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: a breadth of knowledge um and different areas that I 211 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: was able to apply with the Coyotes and and uh 212 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: and look, you know, I'm proud of that. At the 213 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: time I had there, we set records in terms of 214 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: the revenue side. Um, we had a long playoff drought 215 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: that we were able to snap um with the team 216 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: I built. So so the O there was a lot 217 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: of positives. Um, like anything, there's a lot of challenges 218 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: that we endured as well. And and uh um you 219 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: know that was that was a part of the journey. 220 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: And uh and to be honest with you, that was 221 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: also part of the fun. Um. It wasn't a perfect situation, 222 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: but those that's how those opportunities become available. And like 223 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: I said, I learned a lot through navigating some of 224 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: that and I think ultimately makes me a better leader 225 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: and a better person and um in a better position 226 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: moving forward. I want to talk more about athletes a 227 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: little bit later, but I want to ask you, because 228 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: you're you've been on the inside looking at the NHL, 229 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: where do you see the strengths and weaknesses of the league. Yeah. 230 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: I think the game is an incredible game. I think 231 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: it's extremely entertaining, especially for that new, you know, millennial 232 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: generation that uh, they want it fast, and they want 233 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: it hard, and they want, you know, to keep their 234 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: attention span and UM, you know. I think it also 235 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: does does very well with highlights in terms of goals 236 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: and hits and fights and those types of things that 237 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: that people love, and it's a really enjoyable game. I 238 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: also think the live experience, UM, it's probably unmatched. You know. 239 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot of other good sports there that that 240 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm involved in and have been involved in, but there's 241 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: there's nothing quite like going to a hockey game in person. 242 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: So I think those are all positives. I think, you know, 243 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,239 Speaker 1: going back a decade or so, perhaps the TV experience 244 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: wasn't what what what should have been? UM, But now 245 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: with the way you can create UM, these events on TV. 246 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: I think I think even that's caught up with it 247 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: as well. And you've seen that in the media growth 248 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: and certainly the growth of the media deal with ESPN 249 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: and Turner now, so so you know, I think it's 250 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: got a lot going for it, um. You know, in 251 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: terms of headwinds, you know, I think it's a lot 252 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: of things that a lot of a lot of clubs 253 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: are sports are dealing with. I think there's a you know, 254 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: dealing with head injuries UM is an important part of 255 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: sports and making sure that we're educating ourselves and making 256 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: sure that we're taking care of our athletes. And I 257 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: think in general, you know, the sports landscape has continued 258 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: to shift towards the positives, including the NHL UM in 259 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: terms of the education UM to the players and and 260 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: also to all involved so that we're dealing with that 261 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: appropriately and uh. And you know, I think in general 262 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: diversity and sports UM and in the hockey as well, 263 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: we need to improve and I think it's good that 264 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: we're all talking about it. UM. I think there needs 265 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: to be more action, and I think DANIHL has taken 266 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: some steps towards improving diversity, but there needs to be 267 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: more so, those are the areas that I'd say, if 268 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: you ask me strengths and weaknesses from beat on the inside, 269 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: those are things that I think, um, you need to 270 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: be addressed. So I want to go back to the 271 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: stathletes there. We've we've seen analytics in baseball and we've 272 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: seen it in football. The pace is much slower than 273 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: it and you can almost sit in your living room 274 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: and analyze itself, but ously such a fast paced game. 275 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: Give me an give me a prime example of how 276 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: analytics can be used in the National Hockey League today. Yeah. Look, 277 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: I think, like anything, you can kind of weigh pros 278 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: and cons of any type of analysis. I think the best, 279 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: the best organizations and sports that are using advanced statistics 280 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: are using in a way where they're not looking at 281 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: it as a trade off, but they're looking at the 282 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: way of having a holistic view of an evaluation. Um, 283 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: so you're blending kind of these traditional methods of evaluation 284 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: with some some new ways of analyzing players and teams 285 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: and and you know, potential transactions and making sure that 286 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: you're getting a very broad view of of any decision 287 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: that you're going to make. So, um, you know, hockey specifically, 288 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: I tell you, you know, one area that we were 289 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: able to exploit was was in the goaltending side of things. Um, 290 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's there's been a lot of 291 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: research done around kind of the environment in which a 292 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: goalie would would play in because obviously, you know, while 293 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: while they're stopping the puck and then at the last 294 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: man standing when there's a shot um, the environment in 295 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: which they're in and the types of shots that they're 296 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: facing and it can really have an impact on their 297 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: overall performance. So, you know, we we were able to 298 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: find some some undervalue goalies, and not only goalies that 299 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: were undervalue, but goalies that fit really well with our 300 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: system and the types of chances and shots that are 301 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: you know, strategies were allowing. Because in hockey, you can't 302 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: negate every um offensive opportunity. You're going to give some 303 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: things up. But we found that, you know, certain clubs 304 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: and certain tactics you can be more selective and that 305 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: the types of opportunities you're probably most likely to give up, 306 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: and then we were able to match those those opportunities 307 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: were most likely to give up with you know, the 308 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: goalies that were the best with stopping those types of opportunities, 309 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: and I think that that's a very tangible example of 310 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: how we're able to create value UM in what is 311 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: probably the most important position of the sport. So that 312 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: that allowed us to be a top five goal to 313 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: gamest team the last two years with the club and 314 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: really gave us an identity UM and we were we 315 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: were a great defensive team because of that, and I 316 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: guess things we're going well and then all of a sudden, 317 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: just a little over a year ago, things went south 318 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: and you were suspended from working with the NHL for 319 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: the remainder of the calendar year. Can you take us 320 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: through what happened? Yeah, I think the media coverage has 321 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: been more UM, dramatic and probably interesting than than the facts, 322 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: which are you know, it's a contractual dispute really UM 323 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: and and it was over you know, a noncompete and 324 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: so you know, basically set out noncompete for a year, 325 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: which which is you know where things ended up. And 326 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: and I'm accepting of that, you know, in my situation, 327 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, really just came down to UM. I'd spent 328 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: five great years with the Coyotes and built up you know, 329 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: a strong team that was trending in the right direction. Um, 330 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: like I said, was able to break that playoff droute 331 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: that we were going through. Had a good young core 332 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: and the team got better every year. And you know, ultimately, 333 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: as an entrepreneur has built businesses in the past, UM, 334 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: you know, there just comes a time where you feel like, 335 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: you know, you've taken a project to a certain level 336 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: and and and it was time to move on. And 337 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: so you know, there are some opportunities that were brought 338 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: to my attention and some things that I was you 339 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: know considering, and um, you know, had some some thoughts 340 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: about what was next for me, and like I said, 341 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: obviously there was a disagreement over that, but but the 342 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: main disagreement was over you know, the contractual terms. And 343 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: so look, there's any time you're in a career, and 344 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: certainly a public career, there's parts of your career that 345 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: you're you know, proud of, and parts of your career 346 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: that don't go as you might have hoped. And so 347 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: that was certainly one and you never want to leave 348 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: a position um like that. But ultimately, like I said, 349 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, when you control what you can control, UM, 350 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're you're you're proud of what you 351 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: accomplished and what you did and uh, you know where 352 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 1: you left things. And for me, it was about an 353 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to to move forward. You know, I'm looking for 354 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: opportunities to you know, find alignment and and find a 355 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: situation that's uh, you know, really strong where I can 356 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: go and apply my skill set which is which is 357 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: fairly unique and you know, create a lot of value, 358 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: which is what I've done at every stop I've ever 359 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: been to. So so you know, I'm excited about what 360 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: I've got going on right now. And um, you're really 361 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: looking at the future, and there's a lot of the 362 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: rising for me. So again, you know, tough, tough ending 363 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: with the Coyotes, but but I'm excited about the future. John, 364 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: the timing of resignation on the eve of the playoffs 365 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: in um, to me, it reads a mutual decision that 366 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: was framed as you were resigning. But if you had 367 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: a mulligan, would you like to have a mulligan on 368 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: the timing of that? You know, Look again there's the 369 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: whole situation. I think everyone likes Mulligan's But the life 370 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: life is, you know, making what you've got in front 371 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: of you, And uh, my goal is always like I said, 372 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: to create value, UM, to put things in a great 373 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: position moving forward. Um, we did a lot of great 374 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: work there and and and ultimately for me, it was 375 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: a time to move on. You know, there's a lot 376 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: going on at that time. M covid had just hit. Um. 377 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: You know, my wife and I are expect in our 378 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: second child of Arizona, and so you know, we were 379 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: we were in a position where we're looking to to 380 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: look our to make our next step. And and like 381 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: I said, you know I was there for five years, UM, 382 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: create a lot of value, made a lot of great friends. UM. 383 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed my time, and I have great relationships 384 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: still there and which whish that organization nothing but the best. Well, 385 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: and since you brought it up first of all, congratulations. 386 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: How has it changed now that you are a family man, 387 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: a married man. How has it changed your perception of 388 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: not just sports but life in general. Yeah, that's a 389 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: great question. You know, look when I was, when I 390 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: was younger, as you know, very obsessive, UM, you know, 391 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: very focused on on you know the task at hand. 392 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: I just think it's uh, you know, having two beautiful 393 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: girls and a great relationship is um, you know it 394 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: gives you a great perspective. And you know, look at 395 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: the time I've had in the last two years here 396 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: and now, I've really enjoyed in terms of diversity of 397 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: experience and and you know, doing different things and and 398 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, really focusing on definition of success and certainly 399 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, my family's first and foremost and that that 400 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: was a big part of my decision. Um. And and 401 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, now moving forward, UM, you know, finding great 402 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: balance and find that harmony between work and life. It's 403 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: it's it's important for everyone. And so like I said, 404 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, covid Hit, I think it was a time 405 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: for everyone to kind of re evaluate priorities and make 406 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: sure that they were placing an emphasis and the focus 407 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: and energy on the things that matter most. And uh, 408 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: my family and you know, doing things that enrich others 409 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: is very important to me. And and that's a big 410 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: part of what I'm trying to do moving forward. John, 411 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: when you were the general manager, there was there did 412 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: you have a mentor another general manager, a guy who 413 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: had been around the league that she sort of leaned 414 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: on for advice from time to time. Yeah, you know, 415 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: look when I was was I was hired, Um, one 416 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: of our owners. There was a guy with a name 417 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: of Gary Trummond, and uh, Gary was he's a very 418 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: successful businessman and in Canada, which is you know where 419 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm from. And he uh he was a guy who's 420 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: great sounding board. UM, just just the wise man who 421 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: had seen a lot and uh. The guy really enjoyed 422 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: spending time with UM. So internally he was he was 423 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: a guy that I was a good sounding board for me. 424 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: Across the league. There there's a lot of great managers 425 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: out there, um, in a lot that have a long 426 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: tenure and and it's for good reason. I'd say the 427 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: guy that that that I probably kept in touch with 428 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: the most was Doug Wilson out of San Jose. You know, 429 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: obviously had a long story playing career. Uh and I 430 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: was always amazed by his kind of business mind. Um. 431 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: You know, being in San Jose, they're surrounded by tech. 432 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: He was he was pretty engaged in that space as well, 433 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: which I found always interesting and unique. And um, you know, 434 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: he's had a great career as a general manager as well, 435 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: and just a good person. So I really enjoyed, you know, 436 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: picking his brain and getting to learn about his career 437 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: both on the ice and off the Ice and I 438 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: had some great conversations with h might say, you own 439 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: and operate thirty two Windy's and Tim Horton franchises throughout 440 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: Ontario and Quebec. When you go into something like that, 441 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: what experience do you try to take in and because 442 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: thirty two that's a big number. One is hard enough. 443 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: Thirty two that's doing something. Yeah, yeah, you know, Look, 444 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: my experience is mainly on the leadership side. My wife 445 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: is more of the restaurant expert and the operations side 446 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: of things. Um. You know, with my background and building businesses, 447 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: more on the strategy, you know, finance, development, growth side 448 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: of things. So, um, it's been an amazing venture. We 449 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: started off with with twelve stores, um southern Ontario. We've 450 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: now grown to Quebec as well. Um so so across 451 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: a few provinces and added another brand and Tim Horton. 452 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: So it's it's really grown. It's it's great businesses. We 453 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, we employ over a thousand people now, um 454 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: and so you know, it did involved. Like I said, 455 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: the leadership piece is something that I truly enjoy, you know, 456 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: trying to find that intrinsic motivation every day for the 457 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: group developed you know that next generation of leaders for 458 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: our company and um, and really connect with people. UM. 459 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: And it's a people business in the restaurant business. So 460 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, I never thought i'd be in the in 461 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: the restaurant industry, to be honest with you guys, but UM, 462 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: I can tell you enjoying that aspect of it, and 463 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun. You know. I want 464 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: to compare your emotions to starting the restaurant business to 465 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: your first couple of weeks on the job when you 466 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: wrote in your ed that you were terrified and you 467 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: had a lot of uncertainty and anxiousness when you took 468 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: the GM job at where there's similar feelings of apprehension 469 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: when you started the restaurant business. Yeah, you know what 470 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: I think the key is really that those feelings, UM, 471 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: And what I wrote is you know that I think 472 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: that's a real clear sign of you know, really being 473 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: passionate and caring about your work and and do a 474 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: good job and UM, you know, it really forces you 475 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: to bring your best every day. And so yeah, you know, 476 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 1: we've recently transacted and bought some some additional restaurants and 477 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: every day, you know, you go into a new restaurant 478 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: you do get some of that, um you know, they 479 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: call it butterflies and sports right and uh, you get 480 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: some anxiety and you know, in the positive way, and 481 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: I think it it really drives you to be better. 482 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: So um, so yeah, I do have a similar feeling. 483 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: And I told my wife when I stopped having that feeling, 484 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: we should probably stop buying new stores. Means that probably 485 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: don't care enough. But but there is that that sense 486 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: of pride and pride over your work and wanting to 487 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: do a great job, and that association with you know 488 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: you and and the store or the team is a 489 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: reflection of you and you want to do well. So, um, 490 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of my success is 491 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: that I care. I care about my people, and I 492 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: want to connect well and authentically with people, and um, 493 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, have those relationships that that we can grow 494 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: together and acomplish things together. And I think all that 495 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: leads to that, you know, that feeling of of you know, 496 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: some anxiousness and some nerves and want to do a 497 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: really good job. Do you have any desire to want 498 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: to break back into a sports league obviously like the NHL. 499 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: Do you think that you still have any fire in 500 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: the belly to do that. Yeah, I'm thirty two, so 501 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: I got a long career, enemy a lot of time, 502 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: you know. I I've done a lot of work in 503 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 1: the other sports and the consulting basis, you know, staying engage. 504 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: And again, I really truly believe that that you know, 505 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: a great competitive advantages is having great perspective um and 506 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: and you know, finding some analogies thinking to to apply 507 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: different ideas and different concepts and ways of doing things. 508 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 1: One of my own personal thesis THESS is that, um, 509 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: you know, there's a convergence amongst a lot of these 510 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: sports and leadership positions where you know, a lot of 511 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: clubs and a lot of organizations are just trying to 512 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: find the best way to apply you know, data tech science, 513 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: um and and ways to improve their operations, improve the 514 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: way that they're people are performing, creating an environment where 515 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: everyone's um, you know, playing at the top of their 516 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: game or performing at the top of their game. And 517 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: whether I'm talking about restaurants, or software data or or sports, 518 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: um yeah, I think those all apply. And so you know, 519 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of creating mental models and approaching 520 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: things in ways where you can apply different thoughts and 521 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: theories and and and do it in a way that 522 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: perhaps it's the space that hasn't had those ideas before, 523 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: but I think that's good and that that leads to growth. 524 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: So so certainly, you know, I think beyond just a 525 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: consulting role where I'm helping you know, different clubs and 526 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: the revaluation models or decision making models. Um yeah, grabbing 527 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: the reins and running a sports club again, it's something 528 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: that I could definitely see myself doing, but I would say, 529 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: you know my experiences, it has to be a really 530 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: strong position. Like any you know, operation you're involved in, 531 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: has to be well funded, and um there has to 532 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: be alignment. And if you can find those things, I 533 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: think you can have a lot of success. And if 534 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: you don't have any one of those things, you know, 535 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of chalt a lot more challenging. 536 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: All Right, So let's get down to the real nitty gritty, 537 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: the important stuff here. Tim Horton's I've never I've never 538 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: walked out of a Tim Hortons with at least a 539 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: dozen donuts tucked onto my arm. What's the bigger sell 540 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: of coffee or the donuts? Yeah, coffee is pent of 541 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: the business. So it's uh, it's great and uh and yeah, 542 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: look at the point of pride for Canadians. So I'm 543 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: sure you can imagine my my wife, my mother in law, 544 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: she's twenty year old or twenty yeah, twenty years as 545 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: a franchise the attempt um and so it's something that's 546 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, important to our family and and to a country. 547 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: Everyone loves Tim Horton's here. It's got a great brand 548 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: and um, it's been it's been enjoyable to be a 549 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, recent franchise e. We're only both three or 550 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: four months into it, and uh meant a lot of 551 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: great people. It's it's a really interesting business and uh 552 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: learned a lot in a short period of time. So 553 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: Lynchy and a couple of gray haired old man we 554 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: want to start a brand new franchise, Lynchy and Bars, 555 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: barbecue and foot massage. How do we start? Look it 556 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: up on Google. You know what I'm saying is what 557 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: what advice would you give anybody trying to start a franchise, 558 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: because it is a huge endeavor. Yeah. Look, I think 559 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: the main thing is that the part is just getting started. Um, 560 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: that's that's what I find is the hardest part. And 561 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a little analysis paralysis that 562 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: occurs when you're trying to start a business. It's it's 563 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: a big, you know, big step and it's not easy, 564 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: and you know it's going to be an adventure and 565 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: like I said, they'll be ups and downs. It's just 566 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: the reality of any business and career. I think. Um, 567 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: I think the key is to get started, like I said, 568 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: and then then be flexible. Um. You know, I think 569 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: everyone's got a great business plan where you laminate it 570 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: and you think it's going to go the way it's 571 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: supposed to go, and then in reality you gotta pivot around. Um. 572 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: And so if you're flexible, you open my in it 573 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: and you're you know, taking feedback from customers and clients 574 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: and finding ways to get better and improve. I find 575 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the businesses I mean personally, I can 576 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,239 Speaker 1: say this, and then the ones that I've invested in 577 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: are been involved in, they start with one thing and 578 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: so maybe it's flip massages for you, and it ends 579 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: up with something else, but uh, but you know, it 580 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: ended up something else that that's you know, related of course, 581 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: but but probably totally different. And I think that the 582 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: best entrepreneurs UM have great reaction, and they are flexible 583 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: and they're able to find, uh find a way to 584 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: make it work and and that's that's that's really the 585 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: key hands on boss. Are you pretty good at delegating authority? Yeah, 586 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: I would say, I say both. Um, I think there's 587 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: a balance. There's there's certain elements that are you know, 588 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: core critical pieces of the operations, and you need to 589 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: be in the leads and I think you need to 590 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: be involved. Um. I don't believe in kind of a 591 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: last say, fair approach. I know there's some some bosses 592 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: that do that. I haven't had success with it. At 593 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: the same time, you know, I'm a young guy. UM. 594 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: You know I was giving lots of responsibility. UM, and 595 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: through that I learned and you know again through some 596 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: failures I learned as well. And that's great teachers. So 597 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: so I would be you know, contradicting myself if I 598 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: didn't you know, invest in people, young people, UM, inexperienced 599 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: people that that want to you know, further their careers 600 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: and want to take on more. And so so I 601 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: I am able to delegate, and I do have great people, 602 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: and I think, um, you know, the development piece that 603 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: that idea of development never stops. Having a growth mindset 604 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: is critical as a success of any organization. Again, inside 605 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: of sports or outside. You know that that environmental piece 606 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: where um people are you know, capturing that latent upside, 607 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: that latent capacity. I think that's that's huge, and I 608 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: think a lot of organizations aren't necessarily living up to 609 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: what their capabilities are. And I think through proper leadership, delegation, 610 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: but also having a strong grasp on the fundamentals is 611 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: a way to capture that upside. I know we're getting 612 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: close on time, but we have to ask you. We're 613 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: coming around that time. It's the NHL trade deadline, and 614 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: I know a lot of gms around the league, probably 615 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: all of them, and I'm sure you said the same thing. 616 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: We're like us not what are we gonna do? Is like, 617 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: what which way are we going here? What are we 618 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: gonna do? How did you approach it? I think, like anything, 619 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: preparations critical. Um. The amount of calls you have to 620 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: make before you make a trade. You know, I never 621 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: measured it, but it's in the hundreds probably. UM. So 622 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: you're constantly, you know, gathering information, doing analysis. Again, a 623 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: very small portion of the analysis you do will ever 624 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: lead to an action. UM. But but you only need 625 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: to make one or two trades really to to create 626 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: a lot of value. So UM, so the preparation pieces 627 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: is key. I think having a really strong decision making model. 628 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: It's an emotional thing sports. Um, everyone wants to win, 629 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: not everyone, you know, wants to be disciplined towards winning. 630 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: So if you can create you know, better models of 631 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: how decisions are made and better structure, UM, I think 632 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: that allows you in the heat of the moment to 633 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: rely on the structure and allow you to make the 634 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: best decisions possible. UM. And then so you know, I said, 635 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: things are fluid, things change, things come up. You're not 636 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: gonna be able to be prepared for everything, and so 637 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: you have to be able to be agile and be 638 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,239 Speaker 1: flexible if if you want to make a deal. And 639 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: I think some some you know, clubs and managers are 640 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: better at executing and those are the ones that ultimately 641 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: probably have success on a day like that, um, whereas 642 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: others may be struggled with being adaptable and and being prepared. 643 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: So so for us it was always about you know, 644 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: what can we do ahead of time to put ourselves 645 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: in the best position And then you know, what's our 646 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: structure and how discipline are we going to be so 647 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: that we maintain you know, the best decision making model 648 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: in that day. Are you still a fan, John, or 649 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: do you yourself all sports hockey? Great? I'm a hockey guy. 650 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: So when you watch a hockey game, do you watch 651 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: through the lens of a former GM or a fan? 652 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: You know what, there's a difference between you know, watching 653 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: and evaluating. UM, scouting is not watching the game. It's 654 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: it's you know, structured way of being very thorough. You know, 655 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: my my first or my second business staff letes was 656 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: was being very analytical and how you're viewing the game. 657 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: And so when you when you have experiences watching hockey 658 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: game over ten or twelve hours in order to analyze it, 659 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: that never really leaves you unfortunately. So so it's a 660 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a curse in that way. But 661 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: I'll ever stop analyzing the game. I love, you know, 662 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: I love breaking it down dial way into different pieces 663 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: and how they affect the whole um. But but yeah, 664 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm a fan. You know, there was a great women's 665 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: games in the Olympics that I really enjoyed as well. Um, 666 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: I thought it was great to see them take center 667 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: stage and and uh, I thought it was a great 668 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: hockey being played. So it's always a fan. But like 669 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: I said, I love all sports. Um you know, I'm 670 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: a sports junkie no matter what. Really enjoyed that part 671 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: of it. John Jacob, former Arizona Coyotes GM and founder 672 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: of j k C Capital. You've been talking with Mike 673 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: Lynch and the Geek. Thank you so much for talking 674 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 1: with us. We we hope you had a lot of fun, sir, Yeah, 675 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: thank you. Guys. Enjoyed it. Really appreciate the time. John 676 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: Jacob a very interesting man, My goodness. Hey. I mean, 677 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: I know he had the experience obviously in the NHL 678 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: with the GM, but he owns thirty two Wendy's and 679 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: Tim Horton's franchises. That to me is that is a 680 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: super feat in itself, Lynchie, it certainly is. And considering 681 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: where he came from the hockey background and then jumping 682 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: into the restaurant business which is just fraught with headaches 683 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: and problems, and he's so successful now thirty two of them. 684 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: Every time I think of Tim Horton's, I'm just hankering 685 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: for a donut right now. I like also that. Uh 686 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: he learned a lot. You know, at twenty six he 687 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: got the job as the GM and he grew he 688 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: and the experiences that he went through. Uh, he went 689 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: through some bumps, but like he said, in the end, 690 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,479 Speaker 1: it made him a better person. He learned a lot 691 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: from it. Uh and uh the life's lessons. Uh. He 692 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: has moved on and has a beautiful family now. Yeah, 693 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: and I think the great word to use at the 694 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: top of this takeaway Michael was ownership. He has ownership 695 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: of the restaurants, and he took ownership of his actions 696 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: when he was a general manager and finally was resigned 697 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: the night before these playoffs were beginning back in So 698 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: he's he's owned up to what he's und He doesn't 699 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 1: hid anything, and he made mistakes and he's learned from them. 700 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: And look at all he's accomplished at age thirty two. 701 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: My goodness, mondros to one pick that's something not in 702 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: Germanic kids. Feels better to be the one than number five. 703 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: I'll wear a number because of Mike. We have a 704 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 1: chance to go for three and a row good numbers 705 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: at a good time. When I first started wearing the number, 706 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: how would just have them, proud Floomberg Business of Sports, 707 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: the number of the week. N you know at the 708 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: time it is time for the number of the week. 709 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: There's an old crisis right game called high low and 710 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: this is what we're playing today. So you already made 711 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: it on stage by the faults. That's what you're playing now. 712 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: Bob Barker would show six items and that the Testament 713 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: had to pick the three highest and the three lowest. 714 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: So Lynchy, this is my salute to this year's Daytona 715 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: five hundred. I will give you the names of six 716 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: drivers who raced in the five hundred. Now the field 717 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: was forty in total. I want you to give me 718 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: the top three racers who finished higher than the other three. 719 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: You're ready, Okay, I think it my pen Alright, this 720 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: is serious. He's getting this pen. This is great. Here 721 00:37:53,840 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: we go, alright, alright, Denny Hamlin, Brad Keslaus, Kyle Larson, Austin, 722 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: Cindric Martin truex Jr. And Ross Chastain. Now I want 723 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: you to give me the three high ones out of that, 724 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: and we're gonna do it high low style. Well, Cindric one, 725 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: I know that right, that's that's your first selection. We'll 726 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: put it in the slot on the board. Um Kazlowski, 727 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: I know that he was in the hunt for a while. Okay, 728 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: that's your second selection. We put it in the slot 729 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: on the board, and I'm gonna go. Let's see only 730 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: because it's the most familiar name I know on the 731 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 1: numbers left on the board. I'm gonna go with Martin 732 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: truex Jr. Okay, all right, those are your top three. 733 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna tell you right now, just like 734 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: we're gonna give the prices away. Austin Cindric He did 735 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: finish first, Brad Kaslowski finished ninth, and Martin truex Jr. 736 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 1: Finished thirteenth. Now, the other three games can't be higher 737 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: than thirteen, and if they're not, you win the bonus prize. 738 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: Uh me, So you know it's I know, I know 739 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's a big prize, is like 740 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: a Cadillac. But you know, uh, let's start with Denny Hamlin. 741 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: He finished thirty seven, So you're good, so far, alright, 742 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: Ross chas Stain he finished dead last. He was forty. Now, Lynchy, 743 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: if Kyle Larson finished lower than thirteen, you get to 744 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: win me and bragging rights for next week, Kyle Larson's 745 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 1: fingers across he finished thirty second. You're a winner. Give 746 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: him that lawn. More that was that raised, by the way, 747 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: was with the brand new cars. It was interesting to 748 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: see how the brand new cars worked at Daytona. Now 749 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: this following race that's coming up, they're gonna be in California. 750 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: So but man, that was a lot of fun to watch, 751 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: you know where I was the Creative American Race and 752 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: then then graciously moved at a week ahead because the 753 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: super Bowl was a week later this year. Right, that's 754 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: right man, It's like they said, no, We're not, no way, 755 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: we're going up against the super Bowl. Uh. This you 756 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 1: did great, Lynch, you got there. I'm gonna brag about 757 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: you next week. You know, I'm a closet NASCAR guy. 758 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: I thought I had you on the True X one. 759 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: But that was good. This is the Bloomberg Business of 760 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: Sports show. We're here each and every week at the 761 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: same time, plus online wherever you get your podcast. You 762 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: can catch those Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. I'm Michael Bar 763 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Big Bar Sports and I'm Mike Lynch. 764 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: You can follow me at Lynch E Nothing. Thanks for 765 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: joining us. 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