WEBVTT - Safe Words with Serena Pitt

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. I'm host Becca Kufern,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we have a very fun surprise for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So she was originally going to be our guest today,

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<v Speaker 1>but unfortunately my co host Michelle isn't feeling all that

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<v Speaker 1>well today. She's a little bit under the weather. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to announce that we are welcoming back Serena

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<v Speaker 1>Pitt herself as my co host and part guests today.

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<v Speaker 1>So welcome back to Happy Hour. Serena. Hello, Becca, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for that lovely intro. I'm so happy

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<v Speaker 1>to be back here with you today and all of

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<v Speaker 1>our amazing Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. So I'm ready to

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<v Speaker 1>just get into it. Let's talk about the journey. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Rachel and Gaby. I mean, I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited, and you know, of course, we also

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of this have to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>fashion moments, because that was your whole thing when you

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<v Speaker 1>co hosted with me last season that I do truly

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<v Speaker 1>miss and I had so much fun listening to you

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<v Speaker 1>give recaps week by week of like the top fashion

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<v Speaker 1>moments or fashion fails. So we made sure to include

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<v Speaker 1>that this week for you too. But in the meantime

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<v Speaker 1>and before we get into like the meat of the

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<v Speaker 1>episode and this interview, I want to catch up with

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<v Speaker 1>you because it's been a hot second since you've been

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<v Speaker 1>on Happy Hour with me. So fill us all in.

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<v Speaker 1>How have you been. I've been good. Life's good. It's busy,

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<v Speaker 1>and Joe and I have our place in New York together.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still popping back and forth to Toronto and Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>and all over the place, so we cannot complain everything's

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<v Speaker 1>been very great. You guys have been crazy busy traveling

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. The last time we saw you,

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<v Speaker 1>we were in Mexico together. We took we were on

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<v Speaker 1>a little double date night in Mexico getting caught up

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<v Speaker 1>and you guys actually had something super fun going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And didn't a design team come in to your New

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<v Speaker 1>York pad and totally outfitted and decorated and make it

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<v Speaker 1>look spectacular. Yes, So when we were having dinner with

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, we had a team back in our New

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<v Speaker 1>York apartment, Alexandra Gator and her team. They are an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing design team from Toronto. They specialize in small rental spaces.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not an ad I'm like pitching it as

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<v Speaker 1>an ad. It's not. But she is amazing and such

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<v Speaker 1>a great job. She did such a good job. She

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<v Speaker 1>basically just did all rent friendly makeovers on our spaces,

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<v Speaker 1>like our living room, in a little bit of our kitchen,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're so happy with it. We literally just threw

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<v Speaker 1>all of Joe's furniture into this apartment, which he had

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<v Speaker 1>great furniture. It was all really nice, but it just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fit the space a lot better. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying it. We have been not here, like I was

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<v Speaker 1>gone for a month in Canada and now we're back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth. We're gone every weekend this month, so every

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<v Speaker 1>time we come home, we're just so happy to be

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<v Speaker 1>home and be able to enjoy the space. Well, there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing like moving in with your partner. And obviously, like

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<v Speaker 1>you have stuff from your place before, and your partner

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<v Speaker 1>has stuff from their place before too, But there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>better than like combining everything and picking out pieces that

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<v Speaker 1>you both love together to make it your own. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's like the special part of moving in

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<v Speaker 1>with somebody. I mean, trust me, it could be a

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<v Speaker 1>headache and it can be crazy town, which I am

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<v Speaker 1>experienced anyone. Yeah, you're in your guest house right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I am in the guest house right now, and I cannot.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've talked about the main house that's under

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<v Speaker 1>construction on the podcast before. It's going to be like

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<v Speaker 1>that for a couple months, unfortunately. But but we're just

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<v Speaker 1>having fun, Like you know, we'll go shopping here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be looking online and we'll be like, oh, we

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<v Speaker 1>like that piece of ardor we like this piece of furniture,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we're slowly kind of putting this puzzle together.

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<v Speaker 1>It's finding like your combined styles exactly exactly, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is Joe. Well, I was gonna say Joe is probably

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<v Speaker 1>pretty easy breezy, but he's probably the opposite. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like Joe is a man who knows what he likes

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<v Speaker 1>me sticks to that is it hard to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>convince him on other things. For the space, we're both

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good at like compromising, and thankfully he does have

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<v Speaker 1>really good taste, like he's actually into interior design and

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<v Speaker 1>was into like the design of our space when we

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<v Speaker 1>did the makeover. But yeah, I would say I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>little more easygoing. He's like I want this, I like this.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got a vision. You know, it's Joe's world, it's

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's apartment, our apartment. But he has the vision and

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<v Speaker 1>we're all just going with it. I'm so spared to

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<v Speaker 1>have to say I'm hearing a lot of noise from I. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>give him a hug when I know he can't hear me.

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<v Speaker 1>But give him a hug when you see him next.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, but thank you, Becky says high miss him.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so shocked that when you guys gave like

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<v Speaker 1>the full apartment reveal that there wasn't some picture of

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<v Speaker 1>George Clooney somewhere through. Oh my gosh, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>that's such a good idea. Get him like a framed photo.

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<v Speaker 1>Just get him like a little like just a tiny one,

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<v Speaker 1>like went to the bedside table next to like his

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<v Speaker 1>yes snow glow, yes a bedside table, or like even

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<v Speaker 1>behind the toilet, like just sitting there as like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a good statement piece when somebody, I don't know people

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<v Speaker 1>want to like go to the bathroom like at George,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe they do and I would he has a

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<v Speaker 1>good face. Wait, don't do that, because I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do this as like a white elephant Christmas gift for him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what when we get when we come visit

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, when the place is done, you should just

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<v Speaker 1>put like photos of George Clooney all around. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know when you guys stay at our guest house,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all it's going to be. You know how people

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<v Speaker 1>will like Nicholas Cage the like an office or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I will just George Clooney the guesthouse. Um, okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>could talk about George Clooney for far too long. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's favorite person in the world besides Serena. But um,

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<v Speaker 1>you just mentioned do you guys have been all over

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<v Speaker 1>the place? You're gone every weekend. You just got back

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<v Speaker 1>from a trip in Mexico and tell us about that

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<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't a trip that you like quite expected. Correct, No,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. August is a very exciting month. We are

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere different every weekend. We were in Rhode Island the

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<v Speaker 1>other weekend visiting jered an Ash's coffee shop, and then

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend we were invited by Nick and Natalie to

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<v Speaker 1>be their plus ones on a trip. They had gotten

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<v Speaker 1>a collaboration with this beautiful hotel in Camcoon and we

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<v Speaker 1>were just kind of tagging along and we get there

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<v Speaker 1>and there's an itinerary in our room with a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of other names on it. Joe and I were like,

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<v Speaker 1>did we just get ourselves into an influencer trip. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what we're on. I don't know what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But it ended up being very fun. You know. We

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<v Speaker 1>got to hang out with some people and the hotel

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<v Speaker 1>was beautiful, so yeah, we we were like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is the trip we're on. Now. This

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<v Speaker 1>isn't what we expected, but we're going to make the

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<v Speaker 1>best of it, go with the flow, and it was great.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to meet some new friends and enjoy the

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<v Speaker 1>suns and that's probably the best trip you could go on.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking it was going to be one thing and then

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<v Speaker 1>just showing up and being like, oh, well we're here now,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're just going to reap the rewards and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else has to work while we can relax. Exactly we had.

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<v Speaker 1>We were very lucky to be invited as plus one,

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<v Speaker 1>so we had literally no work requirements in with the

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<v Speaker 1>hotel at least like we had our own work. But

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<v Speaker 1>we really got to enjoy it as a vacation, which

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<v Speaker 1>was so nice. We did a lot of laying by

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<v Speaker 1>the pool and drinking Margarita's and all that good stuffects. Go,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all you need. Okay. I have to ask because

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners would read me if I didn't. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a hot second since we've had you on. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there any wedding updates or plans that you can share

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<v Speaker 1>with us? Oh my gosh, Becca, I'm sure you can

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<v Speaker 1>relate to the fact that everyone's probably asking you this

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<v Speaker 1>question too, Yes, far too often. Yeah, but okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>I can just give a breakdown. So at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the months, the last weekend of the month, we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be having an engagement party in Toronto

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<v Speaker 1>that my parents are throwing for us. It's just close

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<v Speaker 1>family and friends. Joe and my parents actually haven't had

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to meet yet. They were supposed to meet

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<v Speaker 1>in the spring and something came up and they couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're super excited to have them together in the

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<v Speaker 1>same city. We're super excited to have like Joe's friends,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends all in one room. So once that's done,

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<v Speaker 1>we will focus on wedding planning. But it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of work, Like I just doing this engagement party because

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<v Speaker 1>my parents have like I've been included in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the planning. It is so much more worth than anticipated.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can understand now why people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you plan on getting married next year, a girl like

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<v Speaker 1>you know you'd probably get on get on it. Yes, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I planned Thomas's thirtieth birthday party, which it

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<v Speaker 1>was a freaking birthday party. And I was like all

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<v Speaker 1>out for that though, and like that was the max

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<v Speaker 1>planning I can put out into the universe. Like even

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<v Speaker 1>that was too much for me, and I'm just want

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<v Speaker 1>a planner, Like that's just not Yeah, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was so much fun. But yeah, wedding. It's so funny

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure after you guys were announced as a

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<v Speaker 1>couple engaged in Paradise last year, did you just have

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<v Speaker 1>an onslaught of wedding planners and bridal dress companies and

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<v Speaker 1>all these you know, wedding industry companies reach out to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so many, like so many people in my

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<v Speaker 1>dms asking to plan my wedding, asking to be my

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<v Speaker 1>wedding videographer, which was amazing and so generous. But we

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<v Speaker 1>were not even close to thinking about when we were

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<v Speaker 1>getting married. When we got out to the show last year,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just so fast. And now that we're finished

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<v Speaker 1>the engage party, I mean I did have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of help, but for my wedding, I'm like someone else

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<v Speaker 1>plan I'll just show up, Yeah, put me in a

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<v Speaker 1>dress watching ale. Yeah, I'm just there for the marriage

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<v Speaker 1>and tell me, tell me when and where and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like how my hair is going to be,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's all I need to know exactly exactly. Crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>But like, like you said, things get booked up so

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<v Speaker 1>fast that even now, if you're planning and I'm slowly

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<v Speaker 1>realizing this, if you're planning the wedding for next year,

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<v Speaker 1>weekends are already booked up at venues, planners already booked up.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how are you sopple seeing anything done? If it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like and like the pressure. I don't know about you,

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<v Speaker 1>but like if I'm pressured into doing something too much,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't want to do it, don't talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me about it, and I just keep pushing it

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<v Speaker 1>off until it like bites me in the ass. After

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yes, a little bit, yeah that's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>us try to play weddings and nothing's available you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>just have Joe reach out to George Clooney. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>he'll offer you his Lake Como home. As you know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we could just have a joy wedding. We'll just we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just go, we'll combine it. I'm a big party. Mary

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<v Speaker 1>and Kenny can get it on it. Tianne Taylor can

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<v Speaker 1>get it on it. Oh my god, Ash, I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>married in one day. Wait, there is a thing. Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Higgins actually either officiated it or hosted it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think this was pre COVID where it was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the same concept where all these couples would get married

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time and they would share this venue

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<v Speaker 1>would be like this massive party at the end of it,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, they could invite their family and friends,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was like this massive wedding and reception all

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<v Speaker 1>in one. I should actually pick his brand on how

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<v Speaker 1>it went, because, oh my gosh, that's intense. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine though, Like the producers are like slowly like twiddling

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<v Speaker 1>their fingers, like, oh, how can we make this big

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<v Speaker 1>joint wedding work? Yeah, They're like that's a great idea. Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna taking us their own notes. It's my idea. Um, well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited. I unfortunately cannot make your engagement party. Okay,

0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I got the invented. I'm so sorry. I'll actually be

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<v Speaker 1>I think back in Minnesota at that point, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to see your photo. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>at the wedding. Yes, well, thank you. Well I might

0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.079
<v Speaker 1>be getting married apparently at the same time as you,

0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:43.360
<v Speaker 1>so who knows. Great back to bed. Oh my gosh. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited for you and Joe and I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to see you both again. Um yeah, it's just

0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:52.360
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be fun whenever we get together. So, Serena,

0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.600
<v Speaker 1>since I have you here today as my co host,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta get into episode six because I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot went down, but like there were key

0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.920
<v Speaker 1>moments that stuck out, like for you in this one episode.

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<v Speaker 1>What really like grabbed you or stuck out to you

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<v Speaker 1>or surprised you. Oh, I mean, I think probably the

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<v Speaker 1>most emotionally charged moment of the episode was right at

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<v Speaker 1>the top with Gabby breaking up with Nate, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, she definitely seemed kind of emotional

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<v Speaker 1>going into the date, like even when her Rachel and

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<v Speaker 1>Jessie were having that talk, like it seemed like stuff

0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.200
<v Speaker 1>was going on in her head, but it was hard

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<v Speaker 1>to know exactly what it was. And then they went

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<v Speaker 1>on their date. But I was so shocked to see

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<v Speaker 1>her essentially like sit him down and break up with

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<v Speaker 1>him right away. I feel like typically what we see

0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:41.520
<v Speaker 1>is like the date goes on and at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the date they kind of come to that decision.

0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.640
<v Speaker 1>But she went in knowing exactly what she had to do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was like from Gabby's standpoint, that tugged at my

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<v Speaker 1>heart strings. Like her reaction and the emotion in that

0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.040
<v Speaker 1>moment really hit me. And I think it just shows

0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:03.000
<v Speaker 1>like how hard she can love and feel things. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes it's easy for people or viewers to

0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.600
<v Speaker 1>see her and be like, oh, she's so funny and

0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.760
<v Speaker 1>like easy going and you know, but like there's so

0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.200
<v Speaker 1>much more depth to her. But going into what you

0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.080
<v Speaker 1>just said, like I was surprised that it happened that

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<v Speaker 1>early on in the day, but I think she, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing, she liked him, but she knew she

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<v Speaker 1>just wasn't ready to be a mom and like wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>ready to bring his daughter into this hole mix, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I would have probably been like her where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if I knew it and it just couldn't get there,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have rather just you know, cut the quarter

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<v Speaker 1>early instead of just dragging it along. I think it

0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.640
<v Speaker 1>was really respectful of her to send him home before hometowns,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if she knew, like bringing a child into it

0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:51.480
<v Speaker 1>just makes everything more serious. And I mean, if she

0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.440
<v Speaker 1>knew it probably wasn't going to be him, there's no

0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.800
<v Speaker 1>need for them to take that step. But I'm curious

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<v Speaker 1>because I do think that her not being ready m

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<v Speaker 1>was a big part of it. But I also felt like,

0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and I could be totally off here that with her

0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:09.440
<v Speaker 1>and Nate's relationship, like he was so obsessed with her

0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.080
<v Speaker 1>in such a cute way, But I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I ever felt like she was on the same level

0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.920
<v Speaker 1>that he was. But then the breakup, like you could

0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.520
<v Speaker 1>tell she was so emotional about it, So I don't know,

0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.080
<v Speaker 1>I'd be curious to know, like if he didn't have,

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<v Speaker 1>like if he wasn't already a parent, like where the

0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.400
<v Speaker 1>relationship maybe could have gone, or if maybe like the

0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.120
<v Speaker 1>feelings also just weren't there. Yeah. Well, so see, I

0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.040
<v Speaker 1>thought the opposite of really being honest. Yeah, And I

0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.720
<v Speaker 1>think it was just more apparent to me, especially during

0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.880
<v Speaker 1>that breakup and full disclosure, this is the second time

0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I've technically seen that breakup, because I actually was at

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<v Speaker 1>Mental we filmed early last week, and so I saw

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<v Speaker 1>that clip already, but there was so much going on right,

0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Like there's a ton of people around and a ton

0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.400
<v Speaker 1>of people in the audience watching, and so it's like

0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.360
<v Speaker 1>hard to like, you know, really focus in. So now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being able to to rewatch it at home just

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<v Speaker 1>on my own. To me, it seemed like she was

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<v Speaker 1>way more into him than he was to her, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think likely, yeah, and I could be off, but

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<v Speaker 1>just like me kind of reading body language and like

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<v Speaker 1>even like how he chose to like approach that conversation

0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.000
<v Speaker 1>or like the things he was saying, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he maybe feels a little sense of

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<v Speaker 1>relief in a way or like, you know, like this

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<v Speaker 1>is okay. And I feel like it was much harder

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<v Speaker 1>for her and she was much more invested than he

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<v Speaker 1>was at that point, man. And that's just my opinion. No,

0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I like that take. I feel like I have to

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<v Speaker 1>go back and watch it again. Then because I think

0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I through the season had felt like she was like

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<v Speaker 1>slightly less into him, but then maybe watching the breakup again,

0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.080
<v Speaker 1>I do feel like she was extremely emotional and he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of took it was like okay, But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, like I feel like it's hard because all

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<v Speaker 1>of these guys know that only one guy is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to get broken up with unless you obviously send

0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.760
<v Speaker 1>yourself home, So like, you know your breakup, like the

0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:11.600
<v Speaker 1>odds of you getting broken up with are higher than

0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.840
<v Speaker 1>the odds of you're not getting broken up with. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, what do you think about Gabby's fear

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<v Speaker 1>of becoming a mom? Has she ever explicitly said if

0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.960
<v Speaker 1>she really wants children or she doesn't want children, or

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<v Speaker 1>if she's on the fence? You know, I was actually

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about that when I was listening to her conversation

0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.000
<v Speaker 1>last night. I mean, I don't know if she's ever

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<v Speaker 1>explicitly been like, I want children. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm being a critical washer of this show and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, reading between the lines, I would assume she does.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's maybe where her fear is coming from, because

0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.240
<v Speaker 1>she does potentially want that, but she just doesn't quite know,

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<v Speaker 1>Like how she will be in that role or how

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<v Speaker 1>to get there. Truly, I think it's a valid fear,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think like just knowing, you know, because I

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<v Speaker 1>think you interviewed her with me last season Rana Clayt's podcast,

0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.560
<v Speaker 1>and at that moment, like she put in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of work in herself and through therapy and other outlets

0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:12.200
<v Speaker 1>to like really work on herself right and find self

0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.080
<v Speaker 1>love and to be at a place where she's ready

0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.520
<v Speaker 1>to be in a relationship and you know, take those

0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.960
<v Speaker 1>next steps. And so I feel like, just knowing who

0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.840
<v Speaker 1>she is as a person, she's willing to do the

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<v Speaker 1>work to get there and to get what she wants.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, and when she says she's not there yet,

0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I totally get it. And this is a lot in itself,

0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.200
<v Speaker 1>and you could probably attest to this, like this whole

0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.600
<v Speaker 1>process is obviously sped up to try and find love,

0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to try and find a life partner, right, Like you're

0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:39.760
<v Speaker 1>supposed to do it in two months and get engaged

0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and be like I want to spend all of my

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<v Speaker 1>years with you, right. But to add on, it's not

0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.280
<v Speaker 1>only one person now that you're you know, like if

0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:49.680
<v Speaker 1>she were to end up with Hey, it's not only

0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.919
<v Speaker 1>one person that she's finding love with, but she is

0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.280
<v Speaker 1>bringing this child into her life too, and she I'm

0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.240
<v Speaker 1>sure she still feels like she needs to take steps

0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.520
<v Speaker 1>to get to that point too, to not only be

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<v Speaker 1>a partner to an adult, but to be a mom

0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:09.439
<v Speaker 1>to this like younger human. And so she kept and

0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I think at one point or a couple of times,

0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.119
<v Speaker 1>she was like apologizing for how she was feeling, and

0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I was like, honey, you don't need to apologize, Like

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<v Speaker 1>this is just well I feel like too, like in

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<v Speaker 1>two months, like they're leaving Engage with the understanding that

0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.359
<v Speaker 1>they're going to keep exploring their relationship and getting to

0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.160
<v Speaker 1>know each other and like building a life together outside

0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the show takes a lot of work and energy, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's good of her to be realistic with

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<v Speaker 1>herself of like, you know, that is another component to

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<v Speaker 1>take on of not only stepping into the role of

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<v Speaker 1>a fiance to someone that you're still getting to know,

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<v Speaker 1>but a stepmother in a way, or you know, helping

0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.680
<v Speaker 1>parent his daughter, whatever role they kind of find within that.

0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.240
<v Speaker 1>But I think her overall general fear of being a

0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.000
<v Speaker 1>mother is totally valid, especially with how much she shared

0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.320
<v Speaker 1>about her own relationship with her mother, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, I think it just means that

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<v Speaker 1>she really when she has a child, if she has

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<v Speaker 1>a child, if she chooses to have a child, she

0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.680
<v Speaker 1>is going to love it and care so much because

0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.040
<v Speaker 1>like that fear comes from a place of her wanting

0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.640
<v Speaker 1>to be an amazing mom, which is a good thing.

0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.000
<v Speaker 1>That's a good intention to have, right And I think

0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.240
<v Speaker 1>this is going to be such a bad analogy, but

0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.359
<v Speaker 1>bear with me, Okay, okay. I have been watching a

0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of Gray's Anatomy, you know, spend the show for

0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.600
<v Speaker 1>the past couple of months. And I've been still watching

0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:31.560
<v Speaker 1>this show because there's a thousand seasons on season like

0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.639
<v Speaker 1>twelve I think, but it's never ending. Yeah, But like

0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the main character, Meredith Gray, had a lot of issues

0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.639
<v Speaker 1>growing up with her mom. She never received love or

0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.560
<v Speaker 1>attention from her mom, and so for the longest time,

0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:47.000
<v Speaker 1>she didn't think she was going to be a good

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.840
<v Speaker 1>mother because of that. But now I'm in season twelve

0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.959
<v Speaker 1>and she has two children. Sorry if I'm spoiling this

0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.359
<v Speaker 1>for anyone, but she has two children at this point,

0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.520
<v Speaker 1>and she's a great mom. She still wants to you know,

0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.200
<v Speaker 1>be a g friend, be a great surgeon. But she's

0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.560
<v Speaker 1>like learning she can do it all. And because of

0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:08.199
<v Speaker 1>actually her past and like what she the lack of

0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.840
<v Speaker 1>love and emotion that she received from her own mother

0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.080
<v Speaker 1>just makes her want to be that much better and

0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.920
<v Speaker 1>not make the same mistakes, which I feel like, if

0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:20.320
<v Speaker 1>that's conning Gabby wants, could ultimately show Gabby like, I'm

0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.200
<v Speaker 1>not going to be who you know raised me and

0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do the same, you know, take

0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.399
<v Speaker 1>the same path that my mom did with my children.

0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.520
<v Speaker 1>So it's like she can make her own story, which

0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, again, she's such a strong, independent, kind, patient

0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.719
<v Speaker 1>woman that I feel like she would do that. I mean,

0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:39.919
<v Speaker 1>we're already seeing her do it in other relationships and

0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine she would do that in a

0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.119
<v Speaker 1>relationship with a child. But yeah, and I feel like

0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.639
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, like her and Nate,

0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:49.959
<v Speaker 1>it just maybe wasn't the right timing or it just

0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:51.919
<v Speaker 1>wasn't meant to be. But like we do see that

0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.639
<v Speaker 1>she has so many strong connections with other people, Like

0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like Nate was like the only strong connection

0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.240
<v Speaker 1>and it was like really only because she wasn't ready

0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.240
<v Speaker 1>to be a mom, Like I do, feel like there's

0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.439
<v Speaker 1>so like she has a great group of guys with

0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:07.959
<v Speaker 1>some really good connections. So I think I'm optimistic We're

0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:09.960
<v Speaker 1>still going to see her fine, love you gotta There's

0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:11.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to be a couple of heartbreaks, but she's

0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna get there. Oh yeah, we still have I mean,

0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:18.080
<v Speaker 1>this is only week six, and every time I recap

0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.359
<v Speaker 1>each episode with Michelle, where always like it's going by

0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.680
<v Speaker 1>so fast. It's going by so fast. It is going

0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.320
<v Speaker 1>by fast, but it's also only week six, Like we

0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:29.440
<v Speaker 1>still have. Yeah, I think a month of episodes left,

0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:33.320
<v Speaker 1>many more episodes, many more Gray's anatomy analogies to come

0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.359
<v Speaker 1>up this season. I'm bachelor happy yet because like to me,

0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.800
<v Speaker 1>it makes so much shoes and anyone who has seen Grays,

0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I think can kind of, like, you know, find the

0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.360
<v Speaker 1>similarities to the situations. Two great shows that have been

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:51.240
<v Speaker 1>on our televisions forever. But let's get into the fact

0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.000
<v Speaker 1>that hometowns are right around the corner. This was such

0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>a pivotal weekend. I'm sure you kind of remember back

0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:02.000
<v Speaker 1>in Matt's season. God, that feels like forever ago. But

0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.240
<v Speaker 1>when you were in Mad season, like, obviously you made

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:07.080
<v Speaker 1>it to hometowns. Do you like, what do you remember

0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:11.840
<v Speaker 1>most about your experience going into that week when you

0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.040
<v Speaker 1>were on The Bachelor. Yeah? I remember that week actually

0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:18.000
<v Speaker 1>very clearly because I was the person on my season

0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I got the second one on one date. So I

0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.280
<v Speaker 1>was the same as Nate who was sitting there and

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.199
<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, it's gonna be so and so, It's

0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:25.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna be so and so because there were people who

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.600
<v Speaker 1>hadn't had one on ones yet and was shocked to

0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:30.719
<v Speaker 1>get that second one on one and was so happy,

0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.160
<v Speaker 1>so excited, was like, I'm going to fall in love

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:38.480
<v Speaker 1>with this guy today. I can feel it. And it

0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.240
<v Speaker 1>was I remember getting the rows, knowing I was going

0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.840
<v Speaker 1>into hometowns and really just feeling that energy switch of like, Okay,

0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:48.439
<v Speaker 1>this is getting serious. You know, all the girls that

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.080
<v Speaker 1>went into hometowns you could tell like we had taken

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:55.119
<v Speaker 1>a step into another stage of this show, another stage

0:22:55.119 --> 0:23:00.720
<v Speaker 1>of this journey, and getting families involved is both intense

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and it intense buys the relationship. But for me, I

0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.440
<v Speaker 1>wasn't even worried about like, oh my gosh, Matt meeting

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:08.240
<v Speaker 1>my family. I was so happy to be having them coming,

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:12.800
<v Speaker 1>because families bring in a new perspective. They see things

0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>from kind of an outsider's point of view, coming into

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:17.760
<v Speaker 1>this journey, and like looking at you and this guy,

0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 1>they don't know anything in advance, and they know you

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:23.479
<v Speaker 1>better than anyone. So honestly, typically watching Hometowns for me

0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.120
<v Speaker 1>is like one of my least favorite episodes, but being

0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.439
<v Speaker 1>in it, it was probably the biggest week of the

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:32.240
<v Speaker 1>entire season for me as a contestant. Right, what about you,

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Becca going to Hometowns as the bachelorette. What was that

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of like for you? Oh, well, it's so different

0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.720
<v Speaker 1>going in as a contestant and kind of like what

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:44.840
<v Speaker 1>you were saying where you were just excited to see

0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 1>your family again. I was. I was so ready. I mean,

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 1>it had been such a crazy experience up until that point,

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and that had been the longest I'd ever gone without

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.479
<v Speaker 1>talking to any family or friends. So I was just

0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:00.680
<v Speaker 1>ready to do it, so pumped. When I was the lead,

0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:05.320
<v Speaker 1>it was vastly different because I was going into four

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.400
<v Speaker 1>of the men's hometowns and I and I was much

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.880
<v Speaker 1>more aware of, like, you know, I need to make

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 1>sure I can find a family that I can fit

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:20.479
<v Speaker 1>into and um, and I mean I feel like I

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 1>lucked out though all four families were incredible when I

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.840
<v Speaker 1>was in that week and they were all so different

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:29.840
<v Speaker 1>but so fun. And I feel like, and maybe this

0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's a difference between boucherettes and bachelor leads, Like

0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I feel like when we watch a boucheer lead, the

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.199
<v Speaker 1>families like really grill him a lot more. And I

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.159
<v Speaker 1>felt like for me, I didn't experience really any well,

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like the bachelors just have it harder these days

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 1>in the sense that it's like you're being a player,

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 1>you're dating for women, like they get such a bad

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 1>rep like what are your intentions? Whereas like the Batch ress,

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>like you're a strong, powerful confidence standard, they are such

0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.560
<v Speaker 1>a double standards Like I feel for the batchlords, but

0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel like all these families are gonna Like I

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 1>hope they all love Rachel and Gabby. I mean, what's

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 1>they ought to love? I think that they will. And

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm lucky enough was briefly met Rachel and

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Gabby in person last week at the tell All and

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.240
<v Speaker 1>like being with them for ten minutes, I can only

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.400
<v Speaker 1>imagine like spending the night with a family like they're

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna fall in love with these girls. But but um yeah,

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:25.399
<v Speaker 1>there was. It was like it was a pressure in

0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 1>a different way. I wasn't really nervous. I was going

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:28.880
<v Speaker 1>to go in and be like, you know, like I

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 1>hope I just can meet these families for who they

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 1>are and kind of see how they taking their sons

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:36.680
<v Speaker 1>and what they have to say about them. But the

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 1>nerve wracking part was like at the end when it

0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:44.119
<v Speaker 1>was like my family coming for that last week to

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>meet my last two guys. That was the part that

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:51.320
<v Speaker 1>was so anxiety written. It was like the hardest part

0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 1>of my journey, I would say was just like I

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>remember just sitting with my mom and sister and crying

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 1>for like two hours every day when they met these guys,

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.239
<v Speaker 1>because I was like I like both these people and

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to do. And that was the

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:06.880
<v Speaker 1>hard part. But hometowns itself is so fun. There's nothing

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>better than me like, yeah, like this is me and

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm used to this and I feel like I'm in

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.119
<v Speaker 1>my comfort zone. I can just kind of show it

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:14.840
<v Speaker 1>off to you and it's just it's fun. It's kind

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 1>of the guy's chance to take charge and like show

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 1>them around, and it's gonna be so fun to like

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>actually go back. Like I love hometowns episodes are so

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 1>much better when we really get to go to their hometowns,

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.120
<v Speaker 1>which we don't. I believe we are gonna see that,

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 1>So that's gonna be really fun getting to like see

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 1>them in their environment. I always find the guys and

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:37.239
<v Speaker 1>the girls when they're at home look and feel so

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>much more comfortable then they have the entire season when

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 1>they're like with their people in their space. Yeah, Oh

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:45.639
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, I can't wait, And I like this is

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 1>hometown's last year was the week we met Grandpa John,

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Gabby's Grandpa John. It was, And so I hope that

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.880
<v Speaker 1>one of these guys has like a Grandpa John esque

0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>person in their family. What's Rachel's dazzing tone? Is it? Tony? Tony?

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he had like a like a bold

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>moment too. Oh yeah, because he like shook Clayton's hand

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>at the end. Do you remember that? Yes? Yeah, and

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>she well she was I think nervous too, Yeah, she was, Clayton.

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.200
<v Speaker 1>One thing I actually want to ask you, because we're

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.400
<v Speaker 1>in this week right before Hometowns, did you notice a

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 1>shift in the group that you were with, like the

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 1>group of women, because I felt like I remember feeling

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>it felt more tense being with the women that week

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 1>of like this is really make or break and this

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>is super serious, and I felt like they're like the

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>tone was just different that week before. Did you feel

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 1>like that with your women? Yeah, definitely, it definitely just

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 1>everyone got way more serious, way more intense, Like emotions

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>were high. I was lucky because I had the one

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>on one and then Rachel was on the group daning.

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>She got a rose too, so we were roommates and

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 1>we both had roses, which was nice because we were

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 1>able to go into the rose ceremony relaxed together. But

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>I remember the day of that rose ceremony, even like

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:06.160
<v Speaker 1>the day before, you could tell everyone was like on edge,

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:10.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of it's make or break if you're taking that

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>next step or not. I felt like this was the

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 1>week where people were really picking apart others. This is

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>going to sound bad, but like they were kind of

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 1>picking apart the other woman and being like she's not

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 1>old enough, she's not mature enough. She said this three

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, so that means she's not ready to introduce

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 1>you to her family and it was just like this,

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>so so much of like this, she said, she said

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>in like, yeah, how can we solidify our place? You

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:35.719
<v Speaker 1>know what's so funny this season at least is I

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>feel like you're so right, Like this week before Hometowns

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>is when everyone gets so intent, and I feel like

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>we did see this on Clayton's season, but not this season.

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Is like no one has kind of like tried to

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>like sabotage anyone else. Like I feel like this is

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.320
<v Speaker 1>when people get into their own heads and maybe make

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 1>some decisions that like aren't in their best interest or

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 1>in the relationship's best interests. But all of these guys

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>have seemed to have stayed like pretty shell, pretty calm.

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 1>There's been no drama, no like, no guy on Guide

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>From at all. And it was it happened early on

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>with Chris and then you know, halfway through a little

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 1>bit Ago Hayden, come on, guys, spice it up. Yeah,

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>it's moment Like there's the main drama we've seen all season,

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's actually kind of refreshing. Is like situations of

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>like stuff that the girls have to deal with with

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>the men and not with the men themselves. It's much

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>more of like I don't even know if I want

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>to call it drama, because it's not like they're fighting

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>or anything, but like emotionally charged moments between Rachel and Gabby,

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like im tears, a lot of interview

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>crying and think we've seen, and a lot of just

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, them needing that additional reassurance in comparison to

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 1>probably leads we've seen in the past, because there's two

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>of them and they are facing a lot more rejection.

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you guys have talked about this on the podcast,

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>but what do you think of the two bachelorettes? Like,

0:29:56.520 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>are you liking it? See? I am, Actually I like

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>it more than I thought at first. When they announced

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>that there's gonna be two bachelor IDEs, I was like, gosh,

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna you know, it's gonna be like girl on

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>girl fighting, or like not even fighting with each other,

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>but just like people picking favorites and kind of pitting

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 1>them against one another. I actually love it. And I

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>actually looked at Michelle last week when we were at

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the tell all and we both said the same thing,

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 1>where like we wish we would have had a friend

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 1>to do our seasons with to go through everything with

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>to be able to have that girl time and the

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>girl chats throughout, and I think it's you know, it's

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>everything that's new is going to get mixed reviews and

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>people are going to have their separate opinions and criticisms

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>about it, But I really enjoy watching them together, and

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I think because they are so close and so respectful

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>of one another, it works really well. And you couldn't

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>do it with everyone. Like, let's be honest, the season

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>with two leads couldn't be the same if it wasn't

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 1>these two. Yeah, what about you? No, I really like it.

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I do, and I feel like I would love to

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 1>talk to Rachel and Gabby. I know you guys had

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>them on the podcast and hear about if they felt

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 1>like they were pitted against each other, but it doesn't

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 1>seem like it from a viewer's perspective, Like it really

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 1>feels like they got to act as each other's support system.

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>And I know there was all that controversy around like

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>team Rachel team Gavy when they like divide it, but like,

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I think that was more just like the guys boosting

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>each woman up. I don't think it was meant to

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>be like they were competing against one another. Yeah, And

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 1>having been on the show, and like having watched the

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 1>show for years, like it's entertaining for me as a

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.959
<v Speaker 1>viewer to see a different format because it's so much

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>harder to predict what's going to happen, and like we're seeing,

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, new challenges and new struggles that these women

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>are facing that are both like hurting them but like

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 1>also like strengthening their relationships and they're growing from it.

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>And it's just made for a very interesting, kind of

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>unique dynamic this season that like I've really liked. I

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it would be like at every single season,

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>let's have two or three four about shreds, but like

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely the season I thought it was great. Yeah. Yeah,

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think, like you said, I don't think

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>it could be every season or like I think there

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>needs to be like some sort of break. But I

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 1>just think the variety of it is wonderful too. And

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>I've said this before, but that's why people like watching Paradise.

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>It is because there's multiple stories and multiple relationships that

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 1>people look nice because it's like these guys have picked

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>like I you know, there's two girls, but like some

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 1>of these guys, like know, like I genuinely feel connection

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>with Rachel, Like so you see that like mutual like

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 1>picking each other, which I think is really nice. Yeah,

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>And another thing that I don't think anyone can really

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>know what it feels like unless you're a lead. But

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 1>like there are times where it's it's a really scary

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>thing being just like a sole lead and having all

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>of the like attention on you, because it's like I

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>found myself questioning quite a bit, and I have asked

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 1>past leads this too, like did you really feel like

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>these people were here for you because they like to you,

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>were they could see a future with you, they could

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.800
<v Speaker 1>actually develop feelings for you, or because that's all that

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>had to focus on. Like, and that's kind of why

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I like having two women, is because these women have

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>to go through relationship and compartmentalize each relationship and their

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>feelings for every man and the men at the top

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 1>of this season how to do the same thing, Like

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>they kind of really had to think about who's going

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>to be the best fit for me, Who can I

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>really develop strong feelings for who I could see like

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:29.479
<v Speaker 1>this relationship lasting. And I think that it ultimately just

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>like makes a relationship stronger because they're not just like

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>zoned in on one person and it's not just like

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that soul competition like eyes on the prize type thing. Yeah, totally,

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 1>And like it's not like you just have like idealized

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>this one person this whole time, like this soul Like

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 1>it's like, are you really falling in love with the person?

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Are you falling in love with like the idea of

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>like ending up with a Bachelorrette? I want to ask,

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 1>is it, like I'm just curious that I've obviously never

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 1>been in a leave role. It does it get like

0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>lonely being the lead when it's just you? So that's

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 1>actually a good question. I don't think anyone's ever asked

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>me that before. Lonely in the sense of, I mean,

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>you're never alone, right, you always have At least when

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I was about Sharrette, I had a team of three

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.359
<v Speaker 1>women always with me. We would travel together, I mean,

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 1>and I got really close with them, where like we

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>would have summer parties every night because we just got

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 1>so close. It's the hard part, though, is realizing, like

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>to some extent, this is still their job and even

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 1>though we're friends and they genuinely care about me, and

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 1>the outcome of like my relationship here it's still a show.

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's where when I say Gabby and Rachel, the

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.479
<v Speaker 1>fact that they can have each other leanon is so

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>special and so important and something I actually wish I had.

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.839
<v Speaker 1>Is because like, you don't have your close family and friends,

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 1>You don't have people who have known you for a

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.439
<v Speaker 1>while who know what makes you tick, who know like

0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>what you kind of need in a partner or what

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 1>you need to give to some And so I never

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>felt lonely, but at times I felt like like maybe

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 1>someone who could relate to would be nice to. Yeah,

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I was also going through that, right And I don't

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 1>want to say misunderstood, because that's the wrong word, but yeah,

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 1>somebody who can like feel like they're walking into my

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 1>footsteps and then like we're going along this together and

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 1>like they can fully understand totally. Yeah, But I mean

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and also to you're like constantly filming, You're constantly on

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>dates or talking to the men or in interviews or

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 1>whatever it might be, and so it's like you don't

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>really have time to like feel like you're just going

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 1>to go and then when you actually have time to

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 1>be alone. You just pass out. You're like, thank god,

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to sleep. Yeah, exactly for the one hour

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I have. But yeah, okay, let's get back into the

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>actual episode though, because there was a couple of things.

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, both women had just one one on one

0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 1>date and then they each had a group date. I

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 1>want to get into the group dates. But then I

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 1>also want to make sure we talk about Tino a

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>bit on this episode, because that was a situation that

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 1>really stood out to me, that was interesting. But let's

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 1>get Can we just talk about gabbies one on one

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>date or not one on one days group date? What

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 1>were your thoughts on this? I wanted to hate it,

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 1>but I loved it. I thought it was hysterical, like

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 1>so I've been to Amsterdam, like I've been to like

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 1>the Red Light distri and all that, but like it

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 1>was not something I was expecting to see on this show, right,

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and the guys were so blustered, so hilarious. It was

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>like I was dying when they were doing the safe words,

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 1>like they were cracking me up. So this part, this

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 1>is the one group date that Thomas was like out

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and about working on the house. He chose to walk

0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 1>in to me watching this episode in this moment where

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Gabby is whipping the men and they're coming up with

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:08.439
<v Speaker 1>these safe words, and he's like, is this the Bachelorette?

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.359
<v Speaker 1>It's like to watch She's like Carol, she's allowed to

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>whip them on this show and I have a rebrand.

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.879
<v Speaker 1>ABC is pushing the boundaries on this one. I loved it.

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Can we please talk about these safe words though, that

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>these men come up with, Like Spencer said Albuquerque, Logan

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>said asbestos, which I was asbestos was the best one

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion. I was cacting because he's like, it's

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 1>something you don't want in the bedroom, and I was like, true, okay,

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.879
<v Speaker 1>makes sense if you had a safe word with Joe,

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 1>what would it be? Okay. So there's one of my

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>favorite movies is Sleeping with Other People with Alison Bree

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:52.320
<v Speaker 1>and Jason said kisses kas um And there's like joking

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>safe word in the movie for when like they're crossing,

0:37:55.480 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>like the friendship boundary is um mouse Trap. I love it.

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 1>I think it's so and it's so violent, like like

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:07.399
<v Speaker 1>most Trail. Nothing sexy about the most Trail. It's gonna

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 1>stop stop everything real quick. Whether you wanted to or not,

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Like the game is over when you pull out the

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>most trail. I was dying like this whole date. Like

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.839
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I wish I was Gabby right now.

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 1>This is gonna like and I'm sure people will pick

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 1>apart what I'm about to say on this podcast, but

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 1>like there's something seems so cathartic about going around and

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>just like nicely whipping these men on the floor. Like

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>after the week she's had, she you know, bawled her

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 1>eyes out the other day and on a date, She's like,

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 1>this is what I need right now, And I was

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 1>like Dominatrix moment. I loved it for her, it was

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I was entertained. People can talk about the

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>state all they want, but were you not entertained? But

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:56.799
<v Speaker 1>you know what, like it was something different. It was

0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 1>something like I feel like, so Rachel had that date

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 1>with they were like seduce her, like trying to get

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 1>them to seduce her. Do you remember and that they

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:06.879
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I feel like that was like

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.239
<v Speaker 1>a different kind of similar structure as to this date.

0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 1>But it just felt so awkward to me. Where is

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.879
<v Speaker 1>this date? At least like it was funny, like no

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.959
<v Speaker 1>one was going to take this seriously. The guys felt

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.879
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable what we're like being funny about it. Gabby wasn't

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 1>trying to like make it serious like she was. It

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>was just and like it was something we've never seen

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 1>on the show before, which I always enjoy. Yeah, it

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 1>was fun loving that's the thing. Like at the end

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 1>of the day, like and I'm sure if any of

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 1>the guys actually felt uncomfortable, they would have used their

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>safe word. But exactly, and keep in mind again to

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>all of our listeners, if people don't actually want to

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.920
<v Speaker 1>partake in a group data or they feel uncomfortable, like

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 1>they aren't forced into it, like they truly aren't, they

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 1>can step out and say no. But I think also

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>to the fact that it's like, you know, halfway through

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the season towards the end, and it's such a small

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.439
<v Speaker 1>group of guys who have now lived on a cruise

0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 1>ship together for seventeen years. They brought we are so

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:03.359
<v Speaker 1>comfortable with each other, like it's probably shit that they've

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:05.840
<v Speaker 1>talked about like off camera with each other too, and

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 1>now it's just like you know, more funny at home

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 1>or more funny like with each other in the setting.

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:15.239
<v Speaker 1>What was Rachel's root date cheese. Can we talk about

0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>that one too? Yes we can. Okay, I just have

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 1>to say I love cheese. So I was living vicariously

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.880
<v Speaker 1>for this date. I was like, how was this not

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:27.800
<v Speaker 1>freaking date? On my second they'd all be like holding

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 1>If you were the bachelotte, they'd be holding in you'd

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:32.799
<v Speaker 1>be like eating the cheese. I would just like put

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 1>my mouth straight up to those cheese chunks. Yeah, it's

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.319
<v Speaker 1>just And this is why I love when people when

0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:40.879
<v Speaker 1>the show is able to travel internationally, because you get

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 1>to see like different fun traditions from around the world.

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Like the fact that people actually like hold these cheese

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 1>wheels as a competition is hilarious to me. And Ethan

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 1>was I okay, I feel like we're just starting to

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 1>see a little more of Ethan now, which, of course

0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 1>he goes home at the end of the episode, but

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 1>like he was kind of killing me this episode. Like

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:02.919
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was so funny. I was like, where,

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's way more of a personality than

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.880
<v Speaker 1>what we've seen. He did well on that date. Yeah,

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 1>he was entertained. I was very proud of him for

0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 1>making it that far. I didn't think even was going

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to drop out that fast. No, I know, not to

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 1>shame even in any way, but I had my money

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.359
<v Speaker 1>on him when that started. I actually want to know

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>how heavy, like how many pounds of cheese are we

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 1>talking that they were holding? Did they say it was? Probably?

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 1>It was probably so heavy, like I can't even imagine.

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:30.879
<v Speaker 1>I probably I couldn't use all my strength to pick

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 1>up one of those wheels. I feel like no, but

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I also would love to receive a cheese wheel as

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 1>a gift one day, for like a birthday or something.

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 1>So everyone listening, Oh, Thomas just fucked in so he

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:42.839
<v Speaker 1>heard that. Okay, good Thomas, get her cheese with. I mean,

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I will say, like both very funny, interesting group dates,

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 1>especially for the week before hometowns. I feel like usually

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 1>they're like pretty chill, like more so conversationalized dates before hometowns.

0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:58.359
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not mad about it. It made for good TV.

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:00.359
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the one on one well, I mean

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Nates obviously was short, but Zach's one on one with

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Rachel was kind of that like walking through the tulip

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.360
<v Speaker 1>fields and the hot of bear romantic like lots of

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>one on one quality time together. Whereas the group dates

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 1>were a lot more like activity based, and then we

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 1>have to see some more serious combos at night. Just

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 1>to highlight what you just said about Rachel's one on

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.920
<v Speaker 1>one with Zach, that was so beautiful, Like I'm adding

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.799
<v Speaker 1>that to the bucket list of biking through the tulips,

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 1>going in a hot tub in this tulip farm. It

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 1>was so beautiful. I feel the throwback to the windmill

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 1>moment from I saw that all I saw was four times.

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:41.080
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm thinking. I know, we too, It's iconic.

0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:45.760
<v Speaker 1>It truly is um But yeah, that was a lovely date. Also,

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:49.479
<v Speaker 1>Like I really like the fact that Zach was able

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 1>to open up a bit more about like his past

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and a little bit about his mental health struggles, and

0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they were able to talk about therapy.

0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>I think just spotted them so much more. We had

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Zack on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, and

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:04.839
<v Speaker 1>I really he's very enjoyable, he's very sweet, so that

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:07.319
<v Speaker 1>their relationship, like I feel like their one on one

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 1>was just like stable and steady. Like obviously we've got

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 1>a little more serious at night with him opening up

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:14.920
<v Speaker 1>and being vulnerable, but I feel like their relationship like

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.799
<v Speaker 1>they had such a crazy intensive connection right out of

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 1>the gate from that one on one and they've just

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:21.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of been like riding steady ever since. Oh yeah,

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:23.520
<v Speaker 1>he I mean I said this when we had him on,

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.560
<v Speaker 1>like he is I'm calling it now. I don't know spoilers,

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 1>but like he's making it to top two for short,

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:34.360
<v Speaker 1>like he's he's like one of those guys, which also

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 1>then on the flip side, I feel like one of

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:44.439
<v Speaker 1>Rachel's other top contenders, Tino, we see him spiraling a bit.

0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I will say this episode and I want to pick

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 1>your brain on how you felt about just Tino in

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:57.360
<v Speaker 1>general and how he handled this situation, because I obviously

0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 1>have my thoughts and opinions, but it was interesting. I

0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>feel like the way he approached it and the things

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:07.239
<v Speaker 1>he chose to say about how he was processing the

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 1>situation kind of rubbed me the wrong way. How did

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you feel about it at all? I agree? I not

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to Tina, if you're listening, not to laugh at this,

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:18.560
<v Speaker 1>but I totally laughed at this. I don't know if

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.520
<v Speaker 1>it was Ethan or Tyler, but someone was like, Tina's

0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 1>being a baby back bitch right now, Oh yeah, And

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>I was like okay, but I mean a little bit,

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I get it. It is hard. And

0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:32.319
<v Speaker 1>we said, you know, the week before Hometowns is a

0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 1>really intense week, so the pressures are high. And I

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:39.759
<v Speaker 1>actually had a moment on my season where I didn't

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:41.840
<v Speaker 1>get the group date. Rose and I had really opened up,

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 1>we had a really good connection. I was really needing

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that validation that week and I struggled, like I struggled,

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 1>was not getting it. But the way Tina went about

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.800
<v Speaker 1>it of like kind of picking up his wine glass

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:56.800
<v Speaker 1>and walking out to take a moment, I was like, okay,

0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:58.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, he needs a moment. That's okay. But then

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.400
<v Speaker 1>hearing the things he was saying about how you know,

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I checked every box, I said all the right things.

0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:09.319
<v Speaker 1>I hope that was just poor verbiage on his part

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:11.360
<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't actually mean it in the way it

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 1>came across, because if he does, he does need to

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>be reminded that, like, it's not about saying the right things,

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:22.240
<v Speaker 1>it's not about you know, sharing something vulnerable and expecting

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a reward. Yeah, exactly. And it felt like he felt

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>like he did X y Z and he should get

0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 1>a Rose to reward that versus feeling upset and discourage

0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that like he really cares about this woman and is

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.319
<v Speaker 1>looking for some validation from Yeah, I think you said

0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 1>it best. I think you nailed it, and I would agree.

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's not that like having strong feelings

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:48.759
<v Speaker 1>for somebody and being invested in this relationship and being

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 1>upset that you, you know, feel kind of off after

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 1>a conversation happened is one thing like he and he

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.160
<v Speaker 1>is entitled to feel however he feels like that is

0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 1>valid the part that I'm sure rubbed me and maybe

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:07.240
<v Speaker 1>other viewers a little bit off, and because he didn't

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:10.360
<v Speaker 1>say anything bad, but it's the fact that, like you said,

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 1>he hit all the points, he won the cheese challenge,

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and he opened up in a way that he felt

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 1>like he hasn't been able to open up before. That

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 1>he deserved something. And it's like, yeah, but you also

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know these other conversations that these guys are having

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:30.759
<v Speaker 1>with Rachel, and she's not invalidating your relationship by not

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 1>giving you this rose in this moment. Like, if anything,

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 1>she's probably on the same page as Tino and cares

0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 1>just as much about him, but she also has multiple

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:43.360
<v Speaker 1>relationships that she's working through and so it just I

0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 1>like part of me and we already know, like because

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 1>we see a little bit behind the scenes, and like

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 1>we see how what she is saying about him, and

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:54.040
<v Speaker 1>like how she feels about him. So we are privy

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 1>to a bit more than he wasn't that moment, but

0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 1>like we know she cares about him just as much.

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.080
<v Speaker 1>We know she's like fun only and for this man.

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:05.799
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I think the sense of entitlement and like

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:11.360
<v Speaker 1>because I did x y Z, I deserve more XYZ whatever.

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 1>It's a feel. It's like him feeling that he's more

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 1>deserving than anyone else there because he was vulnerable and

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 1>he was strong at the cheese challenge, whereas it's like,

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what these other conversations were, you don't

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:27.719
<v Speaker 1>know how they went. And it doesn't necessarily mean that

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:30.719
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't have you know, she could be madly love

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Putina at this point and still potentially give someone else

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 1>a rose that week, because there are multiple connections there

0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and they are developing differently. But he did start to

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.600
<v Speaker 1>talk about later, you know, after I think it was

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 1>in the rose ceremony, about how he was like I'm

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.120
<v Speaker 1>starting to worry that like, maybe she doesn't feel the

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 1>same way. So I do feel like everything he was saying,

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I hope, because I have liked him up until this point,

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and I still do like him came from a place

0:47:56.600 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 1>of insecurity and like discouragement versus a place of like,

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.319
<v Speaker 1>have you just been really strategic this entire time and

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 1>you're being you're feeling entitled to these roses because you have,

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 1>in your head, been strategic about what you've been saying.

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:13.680
<v Speaker 1>So I think we'll see as it goes on. Yeah,

0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:16.720
<v Speaker 1>it's that part was very interesting to me, and I

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like out of all of Rachel's men, I didn't

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:23.360
<v Speaker 1>expect that from him. Hopefully next week he kind of

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:25.040
<v Speaker 1>gets out of his head a little bit. We'll see,

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 1>because I do feel like he is a top contender.

0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:30.799
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he is like one of her. I

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:32.879
<v Speaker 1>think he also will be top two, and this isn't

0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I've said this before on the podcast, So I hope

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 1>that he can kind of step out and see that

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.480
<v Speaker 1>she's going through this very unique experience and can be

0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:42.840
<v Speaker 1>more supportive and like actually in it for her and

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:45.880
<v Speaker 1>not for doing all the right things saying all the

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:50.319
<v Speaker 1>right things. But let's get into well, I don't even

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:52.759
<v Speaker 1>think we need to talk about the Rose ceremony. I mean,

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Rachel's got her for guys, we kind of just touched

0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:59.239
<v Speaker 1>on that, and then Gabby has wait, wait, we do

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 1>have to talk about Logan, who kind of just sailed

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:06.719
<v Speaker 1>off into the sunset with without a goodbye Logan. I

0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.960
<v Speaker 1>was I was shocked. I mean, it's one thing for

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Jesse to come and cancel the cocktail party because somebody

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>has COVID. That I understand, but then I kept being like,

0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:21.799
<v Speaker 1>well did he just go home without saying where is he?

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:25.479
<v Speaker 1>Like I would assume he's quarantining. I mean they would

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 1>have to have immediately isolated him. I'm assuming. Yeah, No,

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 1>I think it's like castaway where he is not on

0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 1>a lone island by himself and we'll maybe see him

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 1>raft back one day in the future. Who knows, Oh

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:39.960
<v Speaker 1>my god, with his volleyball. I'm not sure, but yeah,

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's just in my mind. I was like, wait,

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:44.840
<v Speaker 1>is he Like what if gap? But but then I

0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:46.319
<v Speaker 1>was thinking like, what if this was a guy that

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Gabby was super into that it's very apparently what if

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 1>it was an Eric, Like what would would they just

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 1>like sent him off and he was done. I can't imagine. Eric, Sorry,

0:49:55.719 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I know we had a good connection, I think with

0:49:57.760 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Logan to like the fact that he was with Rachel

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:02.040
<v Speaker 1>for and then went over to gabby side. Like I

0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:04.680
<v Speaker 1>can imagine it would have been very difficult for Gabby

0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:07.000
<v Speaker 1>to have a connection with Logan that was as strong

0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:09.520
<v Speaker 1>with her as her connection with her other guys, because

0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:11.399
<v Speaker 1>they've just had so much more time together. So like,

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:15.400
<v Speaker 1>even if Logan didn't unfortunately get COVID, I don't know

0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 1>if he would have been making it to hometowns. I mean,

0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll never know, but that would be my prediction. Yeah,

0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine, so just because of the lack of time,

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 1>but also too if I was Gabby, I'd be like, oh,

0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 1>I only have to go to three hometowns and I

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:29.840
<v Speaker 1>can have an extra two days to sleep. Cool, sign

0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.480
<v Speaker 1>me up, thank you. Yeah, that's where I would be.

0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into your fashion picks of this season, because

0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:40.399
<v Speaker 1>we can't have you on here and not do that.

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:44.200
<v Speaker 1>So I have personally missed the fashion breakdowns. You were

0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 1>such a professional a critiquing everyone, so I want you

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 1>to I'm going to go in order. First off, can

0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:55.279
<v Speaker 1>you give me a grandman note your favorite best rose

0:50:55.360 --> 0:51:00.120
<v Speaker 1>ceremony look from Gabby this season? Okay, So this was

0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:02.800
<v Speaker 1>a look that I feel like kind of went under

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the radar. Gabby's weren't a lot of really like bold black,

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.799
<v Speaker 1>navy like sequined gowns that were so striking on her,

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:13.640
<v Speaker 1>but this was a little bit different and same for her.

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:17.319
<v Speaker 1>She kind of combined. She wore a purple like a

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 1>magenta dress, which we haven't seen her in a lot

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:22.319
<v Speaker 1>of color. She's definitely more of a neutral gal. And

0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:24.600
<v Speaker 1>it had these mesh sleeves, which I feel like might

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 1>have been hard to see on camera, and they had

0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 1>like little poofs at the end and a very like

0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:33.440
<v Speaker 1>deep plunging neckline, which is so Gabby. She's worn so

0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 1>many dresses. She loves a deep neckline. And I just

0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:37.440
<v Speaker 1>thought it was so fun. She had her hair and

0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 1>soft waves, is a little bit of a different look

0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:41.160
<v Speaker 1>for her, and I just thought it was really cute,

0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:46.040
<v Speaker 1>really playful and super chice like. The sleeves were gorgeous.

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I loved. We've seen so much like mash sheer materials lately,

0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:54.680
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, that would be ten night dress. Okay, give

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:59.720
<v Speaker 1>me the best Rose ceremony look for Rachel Rachel. Okay, So,

0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Rachel is a big fan of like these asymmetrical necklines.

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 1>She's worn a lot of them this season. She's also

0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:09.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot more into like color print, like different textures

0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:13.279
<v Speaker 1>of fabric. Then I would say Gabby is they're both

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:15.000
<v Speaker 1>so cheapen on trup but it is nice because they

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:17.680
<v Speaker 1>have very different styles and like lean in different directions.

0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:20.560
<v Speaker 1>And she wore I think it was literally last week,

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 1>this asymmetrical neckline with like a little bit of a

0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:28.319
<v Speaker 1>mash v green. It was like a gown like and

0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>it was so beautiful in her fit her so well,

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>She's got like such beautiful curves, so like it just

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:37.760
<v Speaker 1>it fit her like a glove. And yeah, I was obsessed.

0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:40.399
<v Speaker 1>I thought she looked so good. She actually she had

0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 1>a week to black dress that had meshed it too,

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 1>that I loved. But I think the green was just

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.960
<v Speaker 1>yea so nice with like her blonde hair. I loved it.

0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Popped Okay, Best date look for Gabby Okay, Gabby's best

0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 1>date look. Oh she wore You guys know, I love

0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:03.439
<v Speaker 1>neutrals and I love a matching set and gave last

0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:08.360
<v Speaker 1>week wore a long sleeve, little crop top that matched

0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 1>a nit skirt all black and had this really beautiful

0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:16.600
<v Speaker 1>detailing kind of on her rib cage area of mash underneath,

0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 1>and then she paired it with these high black boots.

0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was just such a chic look, so simple,

0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.279
<v Speaker 1>high ponytail for her group date. And we've seen a

0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:27.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of these like high black boots lately. But I

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:29.000
<v Speaker 1>loved how she paired it with this outfit because it

0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 1>was like more I think it was like a nit

0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 1>ribbed material, so it just kind of like elevated it.

0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I thought she looked so sexy in it. It was honest,

0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:38.399
<v Speaker 1>sets like, I want it so much if I can

0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:39.759
<v Speaker 1>find it, if I can find it where it is,

0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I will go by that. Jerry Fetman dropped the deeds.

0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Where did you get that outfit? Sobviously, yeah, I'll ask it.

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'll text me after this to see. Thanks. Okay,

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the best date looked Rachel. Rachel has worn two date

0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:55.960
<v Speaker 1>looks that were kind of similar, and both of them,

0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:58.600
<v Speaker 1>like were amazing on her. So the first group date

0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:03.400
<v Speaker 1>that they had, the pageant one, she wore this. I

0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it was real leather of faux leather,

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:08.319
<v Speaker 1>but like a leather looking button up dress had a

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 1>cinch tie at the waist. It was in this like

0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:14.840
<v Speaker 1>cream beige color, and Rachel loves like a chunky heel.

0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 1>She's always wearing these like big almost like seventies vibe

0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:21.360
<v Speaker 1>chunky heels and gold jewelry. And I don't know it,

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:23.919
<v Speaker 1>Like it wasn't something that I was like wow when

0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:25.759
<v Speaker 1>I saw her in it, but it's like stuck with

0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:27.359
<v Speaker 1>me through the season, Like it was like a very

0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:29.879
<v Speaker 1>memorable sheet look that she wore. And on her date

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:32.840
<v Speaker 1>with Avn she wore something similar where it was like

0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:36.440
<v Speaker 1>a long sleeve button up like leather, looking more of

0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:39.239
<v Speaker 1>a brown dress. The cream one has to be the

0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:42.600
<v Speaker 1>winner though, so good on her okay, And then is

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 1>there any look from either Gabby or Rachel not giving

0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the credit that it deserves. I mean, there's so many

0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:52.640
<v Speaker 1>They've had an amazing season. This has been some of

0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.680
<v Speaker 1>my favorite fashion I've seen in a while on this show.

0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:58.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, everything has been so gorgeous, and I think

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:02.040
<v Speaker 1>it's really fun to watch because their two bacherettes with

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:04.400
<v Speaker 1>gray style but different style, and I think it just

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:08.759
<v Speaker 1>really enhances, like their individuality and their individual personalities. But

0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:12.719
<v Speaker 1>I did see online when I was like looking through

0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:15.560
<v Speaker 1>photos and stuff trying to pick outfits for this there

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:18.120
<v Speaker 1>was a little bit of criticism towards a dress that

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Rachel wore that I was like, I thought this was

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:21.920
<v Speaker 1>amazing on her, so I'm going to give it a

0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:24.120
<v Speaker 1>shout out. It was a little black dress and it

0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:27.720
<v Speaker 1>was a huge like flower that was on one side

0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:30.239
<v Speaker 1>another like asymmetrical look, and it was a tight little

0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.680
<v Speaker 1>black body con and I thought it was so fun.

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought she looked great in it. Again, like played

0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:40.000
<v Speaker 1>into her asymmetrical kind of theme. And Gabby that episode,

0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I believe, were like a strapless, very tight, mini metallic dress.

0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:48.239
<v Speaker 1>So they just looked so good together. Like I was like,

0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:51.399
<v Speaker 1>these photos are amazing, and yeah, that was a look

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:53.200
<v Speaker 1>that really stood out to me. It was just a

0:55:53.280 --> 0:55:57.640
<v Speaker 1>very bold pattern. Okay, now switching to the guys, it's

0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:00.760
<v Speaker 1>more fun to talk about the women's fashion. But who

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 1>out of this bunch of men is the best dressed

0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:06.759
<v Speaker 1>guy from this season? This is a harder one, at

0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:08.920
<v Speaker 1>least for me being a woman. I feel like I'm

0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:12.799
<v Speaker 1>so drawn to the woman's fashion, and I mean Jesse

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Palmer obviously knocks out of the park every episode because

0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:19.879
<v Speaker 1>he has professionally style. Yeah, he has a little bit

0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>of an advantage, but you know what, I was looking

0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:27.399
<v Speaker 1>through photos and Johnny actually has great fashion. He has

0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:31.440
<v Speaker 1>played around with like turtlenecks and chains and like cool sneakers.

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:33.279
<v Speaker 1>He had like a really great jacket on his one

0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:36.880
<v Speaker 1>on one day. He's definitely he's rocking like some tapered

0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:40.799
<v Speaker 1>slim fit dress pants. Like he's in. He's in with

0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the fashion. He knows the trends and I love to

0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:45.759
<v Speaker 1>see it. I also, he just totally won me over

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<v Speaker 1>on their one on one day. Oh yeah, we're obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with Johnny in this apartment. I think he's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a fan of Johnny and kind of like what

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<v Speaker 1>you said. I feel like the men's style is much

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<v Speaker 1>more unassuming, and maybe it's because we're women we don't

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<v Speaker 1>pay attention as much. But he's a guy that I

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<v Speaker 1>feel it can rock really anything, and like he even

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<v Speaker 1>though he says we had him on the podcast, he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that confident. He uses confidence and can rock

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<v Speaker 1>anything without being like too bold or over the top. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a very like simple classic style, but he

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<v Speaker 1>always looks really cool and put together. You know what's interesting. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he used to be on the Bachelorette.

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<v Speaker 1>At Rose ceremonies, you would always see the guys in

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<v Speaker 1>a suit and like a button up shirt and a tie.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like it's gotten more casual, definite miliars

0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:33.600
<v Speaker 1>this season. We've seen people in literal like white tshirts

0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 1>or white lung sleeves with their suit on top and

0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 1>like a chain, like sneakers. Like the guys are really

0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:42.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of it's very fashioned forward, but like definitely dressing

0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.040
<v Speaker 1>down for these Rose ceremonies more than we've seen in

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<v Speaker 1>the past. Oh yeah, I feel like even within recent seasons,

0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:50.600
<v Speaker 1>and maybe it's just sticking out more like I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say, starting with Clarentatious season, where the men casual

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<v Speaker 1>up more. But they'll but they'll accessorize differently and more fun,

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Like they'll do brooches or like you said, the necklaces

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<v Speaker 1>or like earrings and something that we've never quite seen

0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:08.160
<v Speaker 1>in the past. Yeah, it's not you know what, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that's so reflective of just like fashion in general,

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<v Speaker 1>because I really do feel like post COVID fashion has

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<v Speaker 1>become like like more casual. Looks have become more trendy.

0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Like we're seeing like sweatsuits and people wearing like cool

0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:24.760
<v Speaker 1>joggers with booties and heels, and like everyone just wants

0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:26.840
<v Speaker 1>to become fee all the time now, which I am

0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:29.120
<v Speaker 1>all for that and I like it. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>like different. I think the show fashion is like very

0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:34.880
<v Speaker 1>reflective of like the fashion. And oh I agree. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>now that you say that, I just have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck jeans. I hate wearing cheese these days. COVID has

0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:45.080
<v Speaker 1>ruined me. All. I want to wear our sweatpants or

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<v Speaker 1>something comfortable. Never again, jeans. I'm the same, I'm the same,

0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:52.360
<v Speaker 1>But you always look so good. I always look like

0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:55.240
<v Speaker 1>a slap kebab. But it's like I'm ready to work out.

0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm always like ready to go to the gym, even

0:58:56.960 --> 0:59:00.520
<v Speaker 1>though when I don't go to the gym. Um, Okay, Serena,

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<v Speaker 1>it has been so much fun having you here. You

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<v Speaker 1>know the drill vow with every person we have on

0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:09.400
<v Speaker 1>we obviously do the rose and thorn. So for just

0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:14.320
<v Speaker 1>this week's episode, give me your rose and your thorne. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So for this episode, my Rose was learning about the

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<v Speaker 1>tulip Field and Amsterdam. The fact that it only blooms

0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:24.920
<v Speaker 1>two weeks a year. I never would have known that existed,

0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:27.720
<v Speaker 1>And it was just so gorgeous to see and just

0:59:27.760 --> 0:59:30.800
<v Speaker 1>such a romantic date idea, like if those two are

0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:34.320
<v Speaker 1>really like falling in love, it was so beautifully esthetic

0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:36.560
<v Speaker 1>to watch them like walking through this tulipfield and being

0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:38.479
<v Speaker 1>in the hot tub. Was very jealous of that date

0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and my thorn is going to have to be not

0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:48.840
<v Speaker 1>getting to watch logan sail away and a life blow

0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:52.720
<v Speaker 1>off the cruise ship State of the Sunset. Well, who knows,

0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:54.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe he didn't make it back to the States. Maybe

0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:58.320
<v Speaker 1>he made it to Mexico. We aren't, Serena. It has

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<v Speaker 1>been so much fun to having you back with me.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom is going to be thrilled because she absolutely

1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:05.480
<v Speaker 1>loves you. Thank you for popping on and you know

1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I've said this before the last time you're with me,

1:00:07.280 --> 1:00:10.720
<v Speaker 1>but you are welcome back anytime. Oh, thank you, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for having me. I'm miss being here

1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:15.439
<v Speaker 1>with you and chatting. So it was so much fun

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<v Speaker 1>to be back. And hopefully Michelle is feeling better next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes bye, thank you, Butcher. Happy Hour listeners, and a

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