Speaker 1: What's up, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. I'm host Becca Kufern,
Speaker 1: and today we have a very fun surprise for you.
Speaker 1: So she was originally going to be our guest today,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately my co host Michelle isn't feeling all that
Speaker 1: well today. She's a little bit under the weather. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited to announce that we are welcoming back Serena
Speaker 1: Pitt herself as my co host and part guests today.
Speaker 1: So welcome back to Happy Hour. Serena. Hello, Becca, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for that lovely intro. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: to be back here with you today and all of
Speaker 1: our amazing Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. So I'm ready to
Speaker 1: just get into it. Let's talk about the journey. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about Rachel and Gaby. I mean, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited, and you know, of course, we also
Speaker 1: at the end of this have to talk about the
Speaker 1: fashion moments, because that was your whole thing when you
Speaker 1: co hosted with me last season that I do truly
Speaker 1: miss and I had so much fun listening to you
Speaker 1: give recaps week by week of like the top fashion
Speaker 1: moments or fashion fails. So we made sure to include
Speaker 1: that this week for you too. But in the meantime
Speaker 1: and before we get into like the meat of the
Speaker 1: episode and this interview, I want to catch up with
Speaker 1: you because it's been a hot second since you've been
Speaker 1: on Happy Hour with me. So fill us all in.
Speaker 1: How have you been. I've been good. Life's good. It's busy,
Speaker 1: and Joe and I have our place in New York together.
Speaker 1: We're still popping back and forth to Toronto and Chicago
Speaker 1: and all over the place, so we cannot complain everything's
Speaker 1: been very great. You guys have been crazy busy traveling
Speaker 1: all over the place. The last time we saw you,
Speaker 1: we were in Mexico together. We took we were on
Speaker 1: a little double date night in Mexico getting caught up
Speaker 1: and you guys actually had something super fun going on.
Speaker 1: And didn't a design team come in to your New
Speaker 1: York pad and totally outfitted and decorated and make it
Speaker 1: look spectacular. Yes, So when we were having dinner with
Speaker 1: you guys, we had a team back in our New
Speaker 1: York apartment, Alexandra Gator and her team. They are an
Speaker 1: amazing design team from Toronto. They specialize in small rental spaces.
Speaker 1: This is not an ad I'm like pitching it as
Speaker 1: an ad. It's not. But she is amazing and such
Speaker 1: a great job. She did such a good job. She
Speaker 1: basically just did all rent friendly makeovers on our spaces,
Speaker 1: like our living room, in a little bit of our kitchen,
Speaker 1: and we're so happy with it. We literally just threw
Speaker 1: all of Joe's furniture into this apartment, which he had
Speaker 1: great furniture. It was all really nice, but it just
Speaker 1: kind of fit the space a lot better. So we're
Speaker 1: enjoying it. We have been not here, like I was
Speaker 1: gone for a month in Canada and now we're back
Speaker 1: and forth. We're gone every weekend this month, so every
Speaker 1: time we come home, we're just so happy to be
Speaker 1: home and be able to enjoy the space. Well, there's
Speaker 1: nothing like moving in with your partner. And obviously, like
Speaker 1: you have stuff from your place before, and your partner
Speaker 1: has stuff from their place before too, But there's nothing
Speaker 1: better than like combining everything and picking out pieces that
Speaker 1: you both love together to make it your own. And
Speaker 1: I think that's like the special part of moving in
Speaker 1: with somebody. I mean, trust me, it could be a
Speaker 1: headache and it can be crazy town, which I am
Speaker 1: experienced anyone. Yeah, you're in your guest house right now.
Speaker 1: I am in the guest house right now, and I cannot.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've talked about the main house that's under
Speaker 1: construction on the podcast before. It's going to be like
Speaker 1: that for a couple months, unfortunately. But but we're just
Speaker 1: having fun, Like you know, we'll go shopping here and there,
Speaker 1: we'll be looking online and we'll be like, oh, we
Speaker 1: like that piece of ardor we like this piece of furniture,
Speaker 1: and so we're slowly kind of putting this puzzle together.
Speaker 1: It's finding like your combined styles exactly exactly, and it
Speaker 1: is Joe. Well, I was gonna say Joe is probably
Speaker 1: pretty easy breezy, but he's probably the opposite. I feel
Speaker 1: like Joe is a man who knows what he likes
Speaker 1: me sticks to that is it hard to kind of
Speaker 1: convince him on other things. For the space, we're both
Speaker 1: pretty good at like compromising, and thankfully he does have
Speaker 1: really good taste, like he's actually into interior design and
Speaker 1: was into like the design of our space when we
Speaker 1: did the makeover. But yeah, I would say I'm a
Speaker 1: little more easygoing. He's like I want this, I like this.
Speaker 1: He's got a vision. You know, it's Joe's world, it's
Speaker 1: Joe's apartment, our apartment. But he has the vision and
Speaker 1: we're all just going with it. I'm so spared to
Speaker 1: have to say I'm hearing a lot of noise from I. Oh,
Speaker 1: give him a hug when I know he can't hear me.
Speaker 1: But give him a hug when you see him next.
Speaker 1: I'm good, but thank you, Becky says high miss him.
Speaker 1: I am so shocked that when you guys gave like
Speaker 1: the full apartment reveal that there wasn't some picture of
Speaker 1: George Clooney somewhere through. Oh my gosh, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's such a good idea. Get him like a framed photo.
Speaker 1: Just get him like a little like just a tiny one,
Speaker 1: like went to the bedside table next to like his
Speaker 1: yes snow glow, yes a bedside table, or like even
Speaker 1: behind the toilet, like just sitting there as like, you know,
Speaker 1: a good statement piece when somebody, I don't know people
Speaker 1: want to like go to the bathroom like at George,
Speaker 1: or maybe they do and I would he has a
Speaker 1: good face. Wait, don't do that, because I want to
Speaker 1: do this as like a white elephant Christmas gift for him.
Speaker 1: You know what when we get when we come visit
Speaker 1: you guys, when the place is done, you should just
Speaker 1: put like photos of George Clooney all around. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: You know when you guys stay at our guest house,
Speaker 1: that's all it's going to be. You know how people
Speaker 1: will like Nicholas Cage the like an office or something.
Speaker 1: I will just George Clooney the guesthouse. Um, okay, we
Speaker 1: could talk about George Clooney for far too long. It's
Speaker 1: Joe's favorite person in the world besides Serena. But um,
Speaker 1: you just mentioned do you guys have been all over
Speaker 1: the place? You're gone every weekend. You just got back
Speaker 1: from a trip in Mexico and tell us about that
Speaker 1: because it wasn't a trip that you like quite expected. Correct, No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. August is a very exciting month. We are
Speaker 1: somewhere different every weekend. We were in Rhode Island the
Speaker 1: other weekend visiting jered an Ash's coffee shop, and then
Speaker 1: this weekend we were invited by Nick and Natalie to
Speaker 1: be their plus ones on a trip. They had gotten
Speaker 1: a collaboration with this beautiful hotel in Camcoon and we
Speaker 1: were just kind of tagging along and we get there
Speaker 1: and there's an itinerary in our room with a bunch
Speaker 1: of other names on it. Joe and I were like,
Speaker 1: did we just get ourselves into an influencer trip. I
Speaker 1: don't know what we're on. I don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 1: But it ended up being very fun. You know. We
Speaker 1: got to hang out with some people and the hotel
Speaker 1: was beautiful, so yeah, we we were like, all right,
Speaker 1: this is this is the trip we're on. Now. This
Speaker 1: isn't what we expected, but we're going to make the
Speaker 1: best of it, go with the flow, and it was great.
Speaker 1: We got to meet some new friends and enjoy the
Speaker 1: suns and that's probably the best trip you could go on.
Speaker 1: Thinking it was going to be one thing and then
Speaker 1: just showing up and being like, oh, well we're here now,
Speaker 1: but we're just going to reap the rewards and everyone
Speaker 1: else has to work while we can relax. Exactly we had.
Speaker 1: We were very lucky to be invited as plus one,
Speaker 1: so we had literally no work requirements in with the
Speaker 1: hotel at least like we had our own work. But
Speaker 1: we really got to enjoy it as a vacation, which
Speaker 1: was so nice. We did a lot of laying by
Speaker 1: the pool and drinking Margarita's and all that good stuffects. Go,
Speaker 1: that's all you need. Okay. I have to ask because
Speaker 1: our listeners would read me if I didn't. But it's
Speaker 1: been a hot second since we've had you on. Is
Speaker 1: there any wedding updates or plans that you can share
Speaker 1: with us? Oh my gosh, Becca, I'm sure you can
Speaker 1: relate to the fact that everyone's probably asking you this
Speaker 1: question too, Yes, far too often. Yeah, but okay, so
Speaker 1: I can just give a breakdown. So at the end
Speaker 1: of the months, the last weekend of the month, we
Speaker 1: are going to be having an engagement party in Toronto
Speaker 1: that my parents are throwing for us. It's just close
Speaker 1: family and friends. Joe and my parents actually haven't had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to meet yet. They were supposed to meet
Speaker 1: in the spring and something came up and they couldn't.
Speaker 1: So we're super excited to have them together in the
Speaker 1: same city. We're super excited to have like Joe's friends,
Speaker 1: my friends all in one room. So once that's done,
Speaker 1: we will focus on wedding planning. But it's a lot
Speaker 1: of work, Like I just doing this engagement party because
Speaker 1: my parents have like I've been included in a lot
Speaker 1: of the planning. It is so much more worth than anticipated.
Speaker 1: So I can understand now why people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you plan on getting married next year, a girl like
Speaker 1: you know you'd probably get on get on it. Yes, No,
Speaker 1: I mean I planned Thomas's thirtieth birthday party, which it
Speaker 1: was a freaking birthday party. And I was like all
Speaker 1: out for that though, and like that was the max
Speaker 1: planning I can put out into the universe. Like even
Speaker 1: that was too much for me, and I'm just want
Speaker 1: a planner, Like that's just not Yeah, you know, it
Speaker 1: was so much fun. But yeah, wedding. It's so funny
Speaker 1: because I'm sure after you guys were announced as a
Speaker 1: couple engaged in Paradise last year, did you just have
Speaker 1: an onslaught of wedding planners and bridal dress companies and
Speaker 1: all these you know, wedding industry companies reach out to you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so many, like so many people in my
Speaker 1: dms asking to plan my wedding, asking to be my
Speaker 1: wedding videographer, which was amazing and so generous. But we
Speaker 1: were not even close to thinking about when we were
Speaker 1: getting married. When we got out to the show last year,
Speaker 1: it was just so fast. And now that we're finished
Speaker 1: the engage party, I mean I did have a lot
Speaker 1: of help, but for my wedding, I'm like someone else
Speaker 1: plan I'll just show up, Yeah, put me in a
Speaker 1: dress watching ale. Yeah, I'm just there for the marriage
Speaker 1: and tell me, tell me when and where and yes,
Speaker 1: you know, like how my hair is going to be,
Speaker 1: and that's all I need to know exactly exactly. Crazy,
Speaker 1: But like, like you said, things get booked up so
Speaker 1: fast that even now, if you're planning and I'm slowly
Speaker 1: realizing this, if you're planning the wedding for next year,
Speaker 1: weekends are already booked up at venues, planners already booked up.
Speaker 1: Like how are you sopple seeing anything done? If it's
Speaker 1: just like and like the pressure. I don't know about you,
Speaker 1: but like if I'm pressured into doing something too much,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to do it, don't talk
Speaker 1: to me about it, and I just keep pushing it
Speaker 1: off until it like bites me in the ass. After
Speaker 1: you know, yes, a little bit, yeah that's gonna be
Speaker 1: us try to play weddings and nothing's available you know what,
Speaker 1: just have Joe reach out to George Clooney. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he'll offer you his Lake Como home. As you know, well,
Speaker 1: we could just have a joy wedding. We'll just we'll
Speaker 1: just go, we'll combine it. I'm a big party. Mary
Speaker 1: and Kenny can get it on it. Tianne Taylor can
Speaker 1: get it on it. Oh my god, Ash, I'll get
Speaker 1: married in one day. Wait, there is a thing. Ben
Speaker 1: Higgins actually either officiated it or hosted it. And I
Speaker 1: think this was pre COVID where it was kind of
Speaker 1: the same concept where all these couples would get married
Speaker 1: at the same time and they would share this venue
Speaker 1: would be like this massive party at the end of it,
Speaker 1: like you know, they could invite their family and friends,
Speaker 1: but it was like this massive wedding and reception all
Speaker 1: in one. I should actually pick his brand on how
Speaker 1: it went, because, oh my gosh, that's intense. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine though, Like the producers are like slowly like twiddling
Speaker 1: their fingers, like, oh, how can we make this big
Speaker 1: joint wedding work? Yeah, They're like that's a great idea. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna taking us their own notes. It's my idea. Um, well, no,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I unfortunately cannot make your engagement party. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got the invented. I'm so sorry. I'll actually be
Speaker 1: I think back in Minnesota at that point, but I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see your photo. It's going to be
Speaker 1: at the wedding. Yes, well, thank you. Well I might
Speaker 1: be getting married apparently at the same time as you,
Speaker 1: so who knows. Great back to bed. Oh my gosh. No,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you and Joe and I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see you both again. Um yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun whenever we get together. So, Serena,
Speaker 1: since I have you here today as my co host,
Speaker 1: we gotta get into episode six because I want to say,
Speaker 1: like a lot went down, but like there were key
Speaker 1: moments that stuck out, like for you in this one episode.
Speaker 1: What really like grabbed you or stuck out to you
Speaker 1: or surprised you. Oh, I mean, I think probably the
Speaker 1: most emotionally charged moment of the episode was right at
Speaker 1: the top with Gabby breaking up with Nate, and you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, she definitely seemed kind of emotional
Speaker 1: going into the date, like even when her Rachel and
Speaker 1: Jessie were having that talk, like it seemed like stuff
Speaker 1: was going on in her head, but it was hard
Speaker 1: to know exactly what it was. And then they went
Speaker 1: on their date. But I was so shocked to see
Speaker 1: her essentially like sit him down and break up with
Speaker 1: him right away. I feel like typically what we see
Speaker 1: is like the date goes on and at the end
Speaker 1: of the date they kind of come to that decision.
Speaker 1: But she went in knowing exactly what she had to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was like from Gabby's standpoint, that tugged at my
Speaker 1: heart strings. Like her reaction and the emotion in that
Speaker 1: moment really hit me. And I think it just shows
Speaker 1: like how hard she can love and feel things. And
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's easy for people or viewers to
Speaker 1: see her and be like, oh, she's so funny and
Speaker 1: like easy going and you know, but like there's so
Speaker 1: much more depth to her. But going into what you
Speaker 1: just said, like I was surprised that it happened that
Speaker 1: early on in the day, but I think she, I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, she liked him, but she knew she
Speaker 1: just wasn't ready to be a mom and like wasn't
Speaker 1: ready to bring his daughter into this hole mix, and
Speaker 1: so I would have probably been like her where you know,
Speaker 1: if I knew it and it just couldn't get there,
Speaker 1: I would have rather just you know, cut the quarter
Speaker 1: early instead of just dragging it along. I think it
Speaker 1: was really respectful of her to send him home before hometowns,
Speaker 1: especially if she knew, like bringing a child into it
Speaker 1: just makes everything more serious. And I mean, if she
Speaker 1: knew it probably wasn't going to be him, there's no
Speaker 1: need for them to take that step. But I'm curious
Speaker 1: because I do think that her not being ready m
Speaker 1: was a big part of it. But I also felt like,
Speaker 1: and I could be totally off here that with her
Speaker 1: and Nate's relationship, like he was so obsessed with her
Speaker 1: in such a cute way, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: I ever felt like she was on the same level
Speaker 1: that he was. But then the breakup, like you could
Speaker 1: tell she was so emotional about it, So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'd be curious to know, like if he didn't have,
Speaker 1: like if he wasn't already a parent, like where the
Speaker 1: relationship maybe could have gone, or if maybe like the
Speaker 1: feelings also just weren't there. Yeah. Well, so see, I
Speaker 1: thought the opposite of really being honest. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think it was just more apparent to me, especially during
Speaker 1: that breakup and full disclosure, this is the second time
Speaker 1: I've technically seen that breakup, because I actually was at
Speaker 1: Mental we filmed early last week, and so I saw
Speaker 1: that clip already, but there was so much going on right,
Speaker 1: Like there's a ton of people around and a ton
Speaker 1: of people in the audience watching, and so it's like
Speaker 1: hard to like, you know, really focus in. So now
Speaker 1: I'm being able to to rewatch it at home just
Speaker 1: on my own. To me, it seemed like she was
Speaker 1: way more into him than he was to her, and
Speaker 1: I think likely, yeah, and I could be off, but
Speaker 1: just like me kind of reading body language and like
Speaker 1: even like how he chose to like approach that conversation
Speaker 1: or like the things he was saying, I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like he maybe feels a little sense of
Speaker 1: relief in a way or like, you know, like this
Speaker 1: is okay. And I feel like it was much harder
Speaker 1: for her and she was much more invested than he
Speaker 1: was at that point, man. And that's just my opinion. No,
Speaker 1: I like that take. I feel like I have to
Speaker 1: go back and watch it again. Then because I think
Speaker 1: I through the season had felt like she was like
Speaker 1: slightly less into him, but then maybe watching the breakup again,
Speaker 1: I do feel like she was extremely emotional and he
Speaker 1: kind of took it was like okay, But at the
Speaker 1: same time, like I feel like it's hard because all
Speaker 1: of these guys know that only one guy is not
Speaker 1: going to get broken up with unless you obviously send
Speaker 1: yourself home, So like, you know your breakup, like the
Speaker 1: odds of you getting broken up with are higher than
Speaker 1: the odds of you're not getting broken up with. Right,
Speaker 1: But I mean, what do you think about Gabby's fear
Speaker 1: of becoming a mom? Has she ever explicitly said if
Speaker 1: she really wants children or she doesn't want children, or
Speaker 1: if she's on the fence? You know, I was actually
Speaker 1: thinking about that when I was listening to her conversation
Speaker 1: last night. I mean, I don't know if she's ever
Speaker 1: explicitly been like, I want children. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm being a critical washer of this show and
Speaker 1: you know, reading between the lines, I would assume she does.
Speaker 1: And that's maybe where her fear is coming from, because
Speaker 1: she does potentially want that, but she just doesn't quite know,
Speaker 1: Like how she will be in that role or how
Speaker 1: to get there. Truly, I think it's a valid fear,
Speaker 1: and I think like just knowing, you know, because I
Speaker 1: think you interviewed her with me last season Rana Clayt's podcast,
Speaker 1: and at that moment, like she put in a lot
Speaker 1: of work in herself and through therapy and other outlets
Speaker 1: to like really work on herself right and find self
Speaker 1: love and to be at a place where she's ready
Speaker 1: to be in a relationship and you know, take those
Speaker 1: next steps. And so I feel like, just knowing who
Speaker 1: she is as a person, she's willing to do the
Speaker 1: work to get there and to get what she wants.
Speaker 1: But I mean, and when she says she's not there yet,
Speaker 1: I totally get it. And this is a lot in itself,
Speaker 1: and you could probably attest to this, like this whole
Speaker 1: process is obviously sped up to try and find love,
Speaker 1: to try and find a life partner, right, Like you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do it in two months and get engaged
Speaker 1: and be like I want to spend all of my
Speaker 1: years with you, right. But to add on, it's not
Speaker 1: only one person now that you're you know, like if
Speaker 1: she were to end up with Hey, it's not only
Speaker 1: one person that she's finding love with, but she is
Speaker 1: bringing this child into her life too, and she I'm
Speaker 1: sure she still feels like she needs to take steps
Speaker 1: to get to that point too, to not only be
Speaker 1: a partner to an adult, but to be a mom
Speaker 1: to this like younger human. And so she kept and
Speaker 1: I think at one point or a couple of times,
Speaker 1: she was like apologizing for how she was feeling, and
Speaker 1: I was like, honey, you don't need to apologize, Like
Speaker 1: this is just well I feel like too, like in
Speaker 1: two months, like they're leaving Engage with the understanding that
Speaker 1: they're going to keep exploring their relationship and getting to
Speaker 1: know each other and like building a life together outside
Speaker 1: the show takes a lot of work and energy, and
Speaker 1: I think it's good of her to be realistic with
Speaker 1: herself of like, you know, that is another component to
Speaker 1: take on of not only stepping into the role of
Speaker 1: a fiance to someone that you're still getting to know,
Speaker 1: but a stepmother in a way, or you know, helping
Speaker 1: parent his daughter, whatever role they kind of find within that.
Speaker 1: But I think her overall general fear of being a
Speaker 1: mother is totally valid, especially with how much she shared
Speaker 1: about her own relationship with her mother, and at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I think it just means that
Speaker 1: she really when she has a child, if she has
Speaker 1: a child, if she chooses to have a child, she
Speaker 1: is going to love it and care so much because
Speaker 1: like that fear comes from a place of her wanting
Speaker 1: to be an amazing mom, which is a good thing.
Speaker 1: That's a good intention to have, right And I think
Speaker 1: this is going to be such a bad analogy, but
Speaker 1: bear with me, Okay, okay. I have been watching a
Speaker 1: lot of Gray's Anatomy, you know, spend the show for
Speaker 1: the past couple of months. And I've been still watching
Speaker 1: this show because there's a thousand seasons on season like
Speaker 1: twelve I think, but it's never ending. Yeah, But like
Speaker 1: the main character, Meredith Gray, had a lot of issues
Speaker 1: growing up with her mom. She never received love or
Speaker 1: attention from her mom, and so for the longest time,
Speaker 1: she didn't think she was going to be a good
Speaker 1: mother because of that. But now I'm in season twelve
Speaker 1: and she has two children. Sorry if I'm spoiling this
Speaker 1: for anyone, but she has two children at this point,
Speaker 1: and she's a great mom. She still wants to you know,
Speaker 1: be a g friend, be a great surgeon. But she's
Speaker 1: like learning she can do it all. And because of
Speaker 1: actually her past and like what she the lack of
Speaker 1: love and emotion that she received from her own mother
Speaker 1: just makes her want to be that much better and
Speaker 1: not make the same mistakes, which I feel like, if
Speaker 1: that's conning Gabby wants, could ultimately show Gabby like, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be who you know raised me and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do the same, you know, take
Speaker 1: the same path that my mom did with my children.
Speaker 1: So it's like she can make her own story, which
Speaker 1: I'm like, again, she's such a strong, independent, kind, patient
Speaker 1: woman that I feel like she would do that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're already seeing her do it in other relationships and
Speaker 1: I can only imagine she would do that in a
Speaker 1: relationship with a child. But yeah, and I feel like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like her and Nate,
Speaker 1: it just maybe wasn't the right timing or it just
Speaker 1: wasn't meant to be. But like we do see that
Speaker 1: she has so many strong connections with other people, Like
Speaker 1: it wasn't like Nate was like the only strong connection
Speaker 1: and it was like really only because she wasn't ready
Speaker 1: to be a mom, Like I do, feel like there's
Speaker 1: so like she has a great group of guys with
Speaker 1: some really good connections. So I think I'm optimistic We're
Speaker 1: still going to see her fine, love you gotta There's
Speaker 1: gonna have to be a couple of heartbreaks, but she's
Speaker 1: gonna get there. Oh yeah, we still have I mean,
Speaker 1: this is only week six, and every time I recap
Speaker 1: each episode with Michelle, where always like it's going by
Speaker 1: so fast. It's going by so fast. It is going
Speaker 1: by fast, but it's also only week six, Like we
Speaker 1: still have. Yeah, I think a month of episodes left,
Speaker 1: many more episodes, many more Gray's anatomy analogies to come
Speaker 1: up this season. I'm bachelor happy yet because like to me,
Speaker 1: it makes so much shoes and anyone who has seen Grays,
Speaker 1: I think can kind of, like, you know, find the
Speaker 1: similarities to the situations. Two great shows that have been
Speaker 1: on our televisions forever. But let's get into the fact
Speaker 1: that hometowns are right around the corner. This was such
Speaker 1: a pivotal weekend. I'm sure you kind of remember back
Speaker 1: in Matt's season. God, that feels like forever ago. But
Speaker 1: when you were in Mad season, like, obviously you made
Speaker 1: it to hometowns. Do you like, what do you remember
Speaker 1: most about your experience going into that week when you
Speaker 1: were on The Bachelor. Yeah? I remember that week actually
Speaker 1: very clearly because I was the person on my season
Speaker 1: I got the second one on one date. So I
Speaker 1: was the same as Nate who was sitting there and
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, it's gonna be so and so, It's
Speaker 1: gonna be so and so because there were people who
Speaker 1: hadn't had one on ones yet and was shocked to
Speaker 1: get that second one on one and was so happy,
Speaker 1: so excited, was like, I'm going to fall in love
Speaker 1: with this guy today. I can feel it. And it
Speaker 1: was I remember getting the rows, knowing I was going
Speaker 1: into hometowns and really just feeling that energy switch of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is getting serious. You know, all the girls that
Speaker 1: went into hometowns you could tell like we had taken
Speaker 1: a step into another stage of this show, another stage
Speaker 1: of this journey, and getting families involved is both intense
Speaker 1: and it intense buys the relationship. But for me, I
Speaker 1: wasn't even worried about like, oh my gosh, Matt meeting
Speaker 1: my family. I was so happy to be having them coming,
Speaker 1: because families bring in a new perspective. They see things
Speaker 1: from kind of an outsider's point of view, coming into
Speaker 1: this journey, and like looking at you and this guy,
Speaker 1: they don't know anything in advance, and they know you
Speaker 1: better than anyone. So honestly, typically watching Hometowns for me
Speaker 1: is like one of my least favorite episodes, but being
Speaker 1: in it, it was probably the biggest week of the
Speaker 1: entire season for me as a contestant. Right, what about you,
Speaker 1: Becca going to Hometowns as the bachelorette. What was that
Speaker 1: kind of like for you? Oh, well, it's so different
Speaker 1: going in as a contestant and kind of like what
Speaker 1: you were saying where you were just excited to see
Speaker 1: your family again. I was. I was so ready. I mean,
Speaker 1: it had been such a crazy experience up until that point,
Speaker 1: and that had been the longest I'd ever gone without
Speaker 1: talking to any family or friends. So I was just
Speaker 1: ready to do it, so pumped. When I was the lead,
Speaker 1: it was vastly different because I was going into four
Speaker 1: of the men's hometowns and I and I was much
Speaker 1: more aware of, like, you know, I need to make
Speaker 1: sure I can find a family that I can fit
Speaker 1: into and um, and I mean I feel like I
Speaker 1: lucked out though all four families were incredible when I
Speaker 1: was in that week and they were all so different
Speaker 1: but so fun. And I feel like, and maybe this
Speaker 1: maybe there's a difference between boucherettes and bachelor leads, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like when we watch a boucheer lead, the
Speaker 1: families like really grill him a lot more. And I
Speaker 1: felt like for me, I didn't experience really any well,
Speaker 1: feel like the bachelors just have it harder these days
Speaker 1: in the sense that it's like you're being a player,
Speaker 1: you're dating for women, like they get such a bad
Speaker 1: rep like what are your intentions? Whereas like the Batch ress,
Speaker 1: like you're a strong, powerful confidence standard, they are such
Speaker 1: a double standards Like I feel for the batchlords, but
Speaker 1: I feel like all these families are gonna Like I
Speaker 1: hope they all love Rachel and Gabby. I mean, what's
Speaker 1: they ought to love? I think that they will. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm lucky enough was briefly met Rachel and
Speaker 1: Gabby in person last week at the tell All and
Speaker 1: like being with them for ten minutes, I can only
Speaker 1: imagine like spending the night with a family like they're
Speaker 1: gonna fall in love with these girls. But but um yeah,
Speaker 1: there was. It was like it was a pressure in
Speaker 1: a different way. I wasn't really nervous. I was going
Speaker 1: to go in and be like, you know, like I
Speaker 1: hope I just can meet these families for who they
Speaker 1: are and kind of see how they taking their sons
Speaker 1: and what they have to say about them. But the
Speaker 1: nerve wracking part was like at the end when it
Speaker 1: was like my family coming for that last week to
Speaker 1: meet my last two guys. That was the part that
Speaker 1: was so anxiety written. It was like the hardest part
Speaker 1: of my journey, I would say was just like I
Speaker 1: remember just sitting with my mom and sister and crying
Speaker 1: for like two hours every day when they met these guys,
Speaker 1: because I was like I like both these people and
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. And that was the
Speaker 1: hard part. But hometowns itself is so fun. There's nothing
Speaker 1: better than me like, yeah, like this is me and
Speaker 1: I'm used to this and I feel like I'm in
Speaker 1: my comfort zone. I can just kind of show it
Speaker 1: off to you and it's just it's fun. It's kind
Speaker 1: of the guy's chance to take charge and like show
Speaker 1: them around, and it's gonna be so fun to like
Speaker 1: actually go back. Like I love hometowns episodes are so
Speaker 1: much better when we really get to go to their hometowns,
Speaker 1: which we don't. I believe we are gonna see that,
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be really fun getting to like see
Speaker 1: them in their environment. I always find the guys and
Speaker 1: the girls when they're at home look and feel so
Speaker 1: much more comfortable then they have the entire season when
Speaker 1: they're like with their people in their space. Yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I can't wait, And I like this is
Speaker 1: hometown's last year was the week we met Grandpa John,
Speaker 1: Gabby's Grandpa John. It was, And so I hope that
Speaker 1: one of these guys has like a Grandpa John esque
Speaker 1: person in their family. What's Rachel's dazzing tone? Is it? Tony? Tony?
Speaker 1: I feel like he had like a like a bold
Speaker 1: moment too. Oh yeah, because he like shook Clayton's hand
Speaker 1: at the end. Do you remember that? Yes? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: she well she was I think nervous too, Yeah, she was, Clayton.
Speaker 1: One thing I actually want to ask you, because we're
Speaker 1: in this week right before Hometowns, did you notice a
Speaker 1: shift in the group that you were with, like the
Speaker 1: group of women, because I felt like I remember feeling
Speaker 1: it felt more tense being with the women that week
Speaker 1: of like this is really make or break and this
Speaker 1: is super serious, and I felt like they're like the
Speaker 1: tone was just different that week before. Did you feel
Speaker 1: like that with your women? Yeah, definitely, it definitely just
Speaker 1: everyone got way more serious, way more intense, Like emotions
Speaker 1: were high. I was lucky because I had the one
Speaker 1: on one and then Rachel was on the group daning.
Speaker 1: She got a rose too, so we were roommates and
Speaker 1: we both had roses, which was nice because we were
Speaker 1: able to go into the rose ceremony relaxed together. But
Speaker 1: I remember the day of that rose ceremony, even like
Speaker 1: the day before, you could tell everyone was like on edge,
Speaker 1: kind of it's make or break if you're taking that
Speaker 1: next step or not. I felt like this was the
Speaker 1: week where people were really picking apart others. This is
Speaker 1: going to sound bad, but like they were kind of
Speaker 1: picking apart the other woman and being like she's not
Speaker 1: old enough, she's not mature enough. She said this three
Speaker 1: weeks ago, so that means she's not ready to introduce
Speaker 1: you to her family and it was just like this,
Speaker 1: so so much of like this, she said, she said
Speaker 1: in like, yeah, how can we solidify our place? You
Speaker 1: know what's so funny this season at least is I
Speaker 1: feel like you're so right, Like this week before Hometowns
Speaker 1: is when everyone gets so intent, and I feel like
Speaker 1: we did see this on Clayton's season, but not this season.
Speaker 1: Is like no one has kind of like tried to
Speaker 1: like sabotage anyone else. Like I feel like this is
Speaker 1: when people get into their own heads and maybe make
Speaker 1: some decisions that like aren't in their best interest or
Speaker 1: in the relationship's best interests. But all of these guys
Speaker 1: have seemed to have stayed like pretty shell, pretty calm.
Speaker 1: There's been no drama, no like, no guy on Guide
Speaker 1: From at all. And it was it happened early on
Speaker 1: with Chris and then you know, halfway through a little
Speaker 1: bit Ago Hayden, come on, guys, spice it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's moment Like there's the main drama we've seen all season,
Speaker 1: and it's actually kind of refreshing. Is like situations of
Speaker 1: like stuff that the girls have to deal with with
Speaker 1: the men and not with the men themselves. It's much
Speaker 1: more of like I don't even know if I want
Speaker 1: to call it drama, because it's not like they're fighting
Speaker 1: or anything, but like emotionally charged moments between Rachel and Gabby,
Speaker 1: a lot of like im tears, a lot of interview
Speaker 1: crying and think we've seen, and a lot of just
Speaker 1: you know, them needing that additional reassurance in comparison to
Speaker 1: probably leads we've seen in the past, because there's two
Speaker 1: of them and they are facing a lot more rejection.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have talked about this on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but what do you think of the two bachelorettes? Like,
Speaker 1: are you liking it? See? I am, Actually I like
Speaker 1: it more than I thought at first. When they announced
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be two bachelor IDEs, I was like, gosh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna you know, it's gonna be like girl on
Speaker 1: girl fighting, or like not even fighting with each other,
Speaker 1: but just like people picking favorites and kind of pitting
Speaker 1: them against one another. I actually love it. And I
Speaker 1: actually looked at Michelle last week when we were at
Speaker 1: the tell all and we both said the same thing,
Speaker 1: where like we wish we would have had a friend
Speaker 1: to do our seasons with to go through everything with
Speaker 1: to be able to have that girl time and the
Speaker 1: girl chats throughout, and I think it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: everything that's new is going to get mixed reviews and
Speaker 1: people are going to have their separate opinions and criticisms
Speaker 1: about it, But I really enjoy watching them together, and
Speaker 1: I think because they are so close and so respectful
Speaker 1: of one another, it works really well. And you couldn't
Speaker 1: do it with everyone. Like, let's be honest, the season
Speaker 1: with two leads couldn't be the same if it wasn't
Speaker 1: these two. Yeah, what about you? No, I really like it.
Speaker 1: I do, and I feel like I would love to
Speaker 1: talk to Rachel and Gabby. I know you guys had
Speaker 1: them on the podcast and hear about if they felt
Speaker 1: like they were pitted against each other, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like it from a viewer's perspective, Like it really
Speaker 1: feels like they got to act as each other's support system.
Speaker 1: And I know there was all that controversy around like
Speaker 1: team Rachel team Gavy when they like divide it, but like,
Speaker 1: I think that was more just like the guys boosting
Speaker 1: each woman up. I don't think it was meant to
Speaker 1: be like they were competing against one another. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: having been on the show, and like having watched the
Speaker 1: show for years, like it's entertaining for me as a
Speaker 1: viewer to see a different format because it's so much
Speaker 1: harder to predict what's going to happen, and like we're seeing,
Speaker 1: you know, new challenges and new struggles that these women
Speaker 1: are facing that are both like hurting them but like
Speaker 1: also like strengthening their relationships and they're growing from it.
Speaker 1: And it's just made for a very interesting, kind of
Speaker 1: unique dynamic this season that like I've really liked. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it would be like at every single season,
Speaker 1: let's have two or three four about shreds, but like
Speaker 1: definitely the season I thought it was great. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't think, like you said, I don't think
Speaker 1: it could be every season or like I think there
Speaker 1: needs to be like some sort of break. But I
Speaker 1: just think the variety of it is wonderful too. And
Speaker 1: I've said this before, but that's why people like watching Paradise.
Speaker 1: It is because there's multiple stories and multiple relationships that
Speaker 1: people look nice because it's like these guys have picked
Speaker 1: like I you know, there's two girls, but like some
Speaker 1: of these guys, like know, like I genuinely feel connection
Speaker 1: with Rachel, Like so you see that like mutual like
Speaker 1: picking each other, which I think is really nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And another thing that I don't think anyone can really
Speaker 1: know what it feels like unless you're a lead. But
Speaker 1: like there are times where it's it's a really scary
Speaker 1: thing being just like a sole lead and having all
Speaker 1: of the like attention on you, because it's like I
Speaker 1: found myself questioning quite a bit, and I have asked
Speaker 1: past leads this too, like did you really feel like
Speaker 1: these people were here for you because they like to you,
Speaker 1: were they could see a future with you, they could
Speaker 1: actually develop feelings for you, or because that's all that
Speaker 1: had to focus on. Like, and that's kind of why
Speaker 1: I like having two women, is because these women have
Speaker 1: to go through relationship and compartmentalize each relationship and their
Speaker 1: feelings for every man and the men at the top
Speaker 1: of this season how to do the same thing, Like
Speaker 1: they kind of really had to think about who's going
Speaker 1: to be the best fit for me, Who can I
Speaker 1: really develop strong feelings for who I could see like
Speaker 1: this relationship lasting. And I think that it ultimately just
Speaker 1: like makes a relationship stronger because they're not just like
Speaker 1: zoned in on one person and it's not just like
Speaker 1: that soul competition like eyes on the prize type thing. Yeah, totally,
Speaker 1: And like it's not like you just have like idealized
Speaker 1: this one person this whole time, like this soul Like
Speaker 1: it's like, are you really falling in love with the person?
Speaker 1: Are you falling in love with like the idea of
Speaker 1: like ending up with a Bachelorrette? I want to ask,
Speaker 1: is it, like I'm just curious that I've obviously never
Speaker 1: been in a leave role. It does it get like
Speaker 1: lonely being the lead when it's just you? So that's
Speaker 1: actually a good question. I don't think anyone's ever asked
Speaker 1: me that before. Lonely in the sense of, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're never alone, right, you always have At least when
Speaker 1: I was about Sharrette, I had a team of three
Speaker 1: women always with me. We would travel together, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I got really close with them, where like we
Speaker 1: would have summer parties every night because we just got
Speaker 1: so close. It's the hard part, though, is realizing, like
Speaker 1: to some extent, this is still their job and even
Speaker 1: though we're friends and they genuinely care about me, and
Speaker 1: the outcome of like my relationship here it's still a show.
Speaker 1: And that's where when I say Gabby and Rachel, the
Speaker 1: fact that they can have each other leanon is so
Speaker 1: special and so important and something I actually wish I had.
Speaker 1: Is because like, you don't have your close family and friends,
Speaker 1: You don't have people who have known you for a
Speaker 1: while who know what makes you tick, who know like
Speaker 1: what you kind of need in a partner or what
Speaker 1: you need to give to some And so I never
Speaker 1: felt lonely, but at times I felt like like maybe
Speaker 1: someone who could relate to would be nice to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was also going through that, right And I don't
Speaker 1: want to say misunderstood, because that's the wrong word, but yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody who can like feel like they're walking into my
Speaker 1: footsteps and then like we're going along this together and
Speaker 1: like they can fully understand totally. Yeah, But I mean
Speaker 1: and also to you're like constantly filming, You're constantly on
Speaker 1: dates or talking to the men or in interviews or
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, and so it's like you don't
Speaker 1: really have time to like feel like you're just going
Speaker 1: to go and then when you actually have time to
Speaker 1: be alone. You just pass out. You're like, thank god,
Speaker 1: I'm going to sleep. Yeah, exactly for the one hour
Speaker 1: I have. But yeah, okay, let's get back into the
Speaker 1: actual episode though, because there was a couple of things.
Speaker 1: I mean, both women had just one one on one
Speaker 1: date and then they each had a group date. I
Speaker 1: want to get into the group dates. But then I
Speaker 1: also want to make sure we talk about Tino a
Speaker 1: bit on this episode, because that was a situation that
Speaker 1: really stood out to me, that was interesting. But let's
Speaker 1: get Can we just talk about gabbies one on one
Speaker 1: date or not one on one days group date? What
Speaker 1: were your thoughts on this? I wanted to hate it,
Speaker 1: but I loved it. I thought it was hysterical, like
Speaker 1: so I've been to Amsterdam, like I've been to like
Speaker 1: the Red Light distri and all that, but like it
Speaker 1: was not something I was expecting to see on this show, right,
Speaker 1: and the guys were so blustered, so hilarious. It was
Speaker 1: like I was dying when they were doing the safe words,
Speaker 1: like they were cracking me up. So this part, this
Speaker 1: is the one group date that Thomas was like out
Speaker 1: and about working on the house. He chose to walk
Speaker 1: in to me watching this episode in this moment where
Speaker 1: Gabby is whipping the men and they're coming up with
Speaker 1: these safe words, and he's like, is this the Bachelorette?
Speaker 1: It's like to watch She's like Carol, she's allowed to
Speaker 1: whip them on this show and I have a rebrand.
Speaker 1: ABC is pushing the boundaries on this one. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Can we please talk about these safe words though, that
Speaker 1: these men come up with, Like Spencer said Albuquerque, Logan
Speaker 1: said asbestos, which I was asbestos was the best one
Speaker 1: in my opinion. I was cacting because he's like, it's
Speaker 1: something you don't want in the bedroom, and I was like, true, okay,
Speaker 1: makes sense if you had a safe word with Joe,
Speaker 1: what would it be? Okay. So there's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite movies is Sleeping with Other People with Alison Bree
Speaker 1: and Jason said kisses kas um And there's like joking
Speaker 1: safe word in the movie for when like they're crossing,
Speaker 1: like the friendship boundary is um mouse Trap. I love it.
Speaker 1: I think it's so and it's so violent, like like
Speaker 1: most Trail. Nothing sexy about the most Trail. It's gonna
Speaker 1: stop stop everything real quick. Whether you wanted to or not,
Speaker 1: Like the game is over when you pull out the
Speaker 1: most trail. I was dying like this whole date. Like
Speaker 1: I was like, I wish I was Gabby right now.
Speaker 1: This is gonna like and I'm sure people will pick
Speaker 1: apart what I'm about to say on this podcast, but
Speaker 1: like there's something seems so cathartic about going around and
Speaker 1: just like nicely whipping these men on the floor. Like
Speaker 1: after the week she's had, she you know, bawled her
Speaker 1: eyes out the other day and on a date, She's like,
Speaker 1: this is what I need right now, And I was
Speaker 1: like Dominatrix moment. I loved it for her, it was
Speaker 1: I mean, I was entertained. People can talk about the
Speaker 1: state all they want, but were you not entertained? But
Speaker 1: you know what, like it was something different. It was
Speaker 1: something like I feel like, so Rachel had that date
Speaker 1: with they were like seduce her, like trying to get
Speaker 1: them to seduce her. Do you remember and that they
Speaker 1: And I was like, I feel like that was like
Speaker 1: a different kind of similar structure as to this date.
Speaker 1: But it just felt so awkward to me. Where is
Speaker 1: this date? At least like it was funny, like no
Speaker 1: one was going to take this seriously. The guys felt
Speaker 1: uncomfortable what we're like being funny about it. Gabby wasn't
Speaker 1: trying to like make it serious like she was. It
Speaker 1: was just and like it was something we've never seen
Speaker 1: on the show before, which I always enjoy. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was fun loving that's the thing. Like at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, like and I'm sure if any of
Speaker 1: the guys actually felt uncomfortable, they would have used their
Speaker 1: safe word. But exactly, and keep in mind again to
Speaker 1: all of our listeners, if people don't actually want to
Speaker 1: partake in a group data or they feel uncomfortable, like
Speaker 1: they aren't forced into it, like they truly aren't, they
Speaker 1: can step out and say no. But I think also
Speaker 1: to the fact that it's like, you know, halfway through
Speaker 1: the season towards the end, and it's such a small
Speaker 1: group of guys who have now lived on a cruise
Speaker 1: ship together for seventeen years. They brought we are so
Speaker 1: comfortable with each other, like it's probably shit that they've
Speaker 1: talked about like off camera with each other too, and
Speaker 1: now it's just like you know, more funny at home
Speaker 1: or more funny like with each other in the setting.
Speaker 1: What was Rachel's root date cheese. Can we talk about
Speaker 1: that one too? Yes we can. Okay, I just have
Speaker 1: to say I love cheese. So I was living vicariously
Speaker 1: for this date. I was like, how was this not
Speaker 1: freaking date? On my second they'd all be like holding
Speaker 1: If you were the bachelotte, they'd be holding in you'd
Speaker 1: be like eating the cheese. I would just like put
Speaker 1: my mouth straight up to those cheese chunks. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just And this is why I love when people when
Speaker 1: the show is able to travel internationally, because you get
Speaker 1: to see like different fun traditions from around the world.
Speaker 1: Like the fact that people actually like hold these cheese
Speaker 1: wheels as a competition is hilarious to me. And Ethan
Speaker 1: was I okay, I feel like we're just starting to
Speaker 1: see a little more of Ethan now, which, of course
Speaker 1: he goes home at the end of the episode, but
Speaker 1: like he was kind of killing me this episode. Like
Speaker 1: I thought he was so funny. I was like, where,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's way more of a personality than
Speaker 1: what we've seen. He did well on that date. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was entertained. I was very proud of him for
Speaker 1: making it that far. I didn't think even was going
Speaker 1: to drop out that fast. No, I know, not to
Speaker 1: shame even in any way, but I had my money
Speaker 1: on him when that started. I actually want to know
Speaker 1: how heavy, like how many pounds of cheese are we
Speaker 1: talking that they were holding? Did they say it was? Probably?
Speaker 1: It was probably so heavy, like I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1: I probably I couldn't use all my strength to pick
Speaker 1: up one of those wheels. I feel like no, but
Speaker 1: I also would love to receive a cheese wheel as
Speaker 1: a gift one day, for like a birthday or something.
Speaker 1: So everyone listening, Oh, Thomas just fucked in so he
Speaker 1: heard that. Okay, good Thomas, get her cheese with. I mean,
Speaker 1: I will say, like both very funny, interesting group dates,
Speaker 1: especially for the week before hometowns. I feel like usually
Speaker 1: they're like pretty chill, like more so conversationalized dates before hometowns.
Speaker 1: But I'm not mad about it. It made for good TV.
Speaker 1: I feel like the one on one well, I mean
Speaker 1: Nates obviously was short, but Zach's one on one with
Speaker 1: Rachel was kind of that like walking through the tulip
Speaker 1: fields and the hot of bear romantic like lots of
Speaker 1: one on one quality time together. Whereas the group dates
Speaker 1: were a lot more like activity based, and then we
Speaker 1: have to see some more serious combos at night. Just
Speaker 1: to highlight what you just said about Rachel's one on
Speaker 1: one with Zach, that was so beautiful, Like I'm adding
Speaker 1: that to the bucket list of biking through the tulips,
Speaker 1: going in a hot tub in this tulip farm. It
Speaker 1: was so beautiful. I feel the throwback to the windmill
Speaker 1: moment from I saw that all I saw was four times.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. I know, we too, It's iconic.
Speaker 1: It truly is um But yeah, that was a lovely date. Also,
Speaker 1: Like I really like the fact that Zach was able
Speaker 1: to open up a bit more about like his past
Speaker 1: and a little bit about his mental health struggles, and
Speaker 1: the fact that they were able to talk about therapy.
Speaker 1: I think just spotted them so much more. We had
Speaker 1: Zack on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: I really he's very enjoyable, he's very sweet, so that
Speaker 1: their relationship, like I feel like their one on one
Speaker 1: was just like stable and steady. Like obviously we've got
Speaker 1: a little more serious at night with him opening up
Speaker 1: and being vulnerable, but I feel like their relationship like
Speaker 1: they had such a crazy intensive connection right out of
Speaker 1: the gate from that one on one and they've just
Speaker 1: kind of been like riding steady ever since. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he I mean I said this when we had him on,
Speaker 1: like he is I'm calling it now. I don't know spoilers,
Speaker 1: but like he's making it to top two for short,
Speaker 1: like he's he's like one of those guys, which also
Speaker 1: then on the flip side, I feel like one of
Speaker 1: Rachel's other top contenders, Tino, we see him spiraling a bit.
Speaker 1: I will say this episode and I want to pick
Speaker 1: your brain on how you felt about just Tino in
Speaker 1: general and how he handled this situation, because I obviously
Speaker 1: have my thoughts and opinions, but it was interesting. I
Speaker 1: feel like the way he approached it and the things
Speaker 1: he chose to say about how he was processing the
Speaker 1: situation kind of rubbed me the wrong way. How did
Speaker 1: you feel about it at all? I agree? I not
Speaker 1: to Tina, if you're listening, not to laugh at this,
Speaker 1: but I totally laughed at this. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was Ethan or Tyler, but someone was like, Tina's
Speaker 1: being a baby back bitch right now, Oh yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was like okay, but I mean a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, like I get it. It is hard. And
Speaker 1: we said, you know, the week before Hometowns is a
Speaker 1: really intense week, so the pressures are high. And I
Speaker 1: actually had a moment on my season where I didn't
Speaker 1: get the group date. Rose and I had really opened up,
Speaker 1: we had a really good connection. I was really needing
Speaker 1: that validation that week and I struggled, like I struggled,
Speaker 1: was not getting it. But the way Tina went about
Speaker 1: it of like kind of picking up his wine glass
Speaker 1: and walking out to take a moment, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, he needs a moment. That's okay. But then
Speaker 1: hearing the things he was saying about how you know,
Speaker 1: I checked every box, I said all the right things.
Speaker 1: I hope that was just poor verbiage on his part
Speaker 1: and he doesn't actually mean it in the way it
Speaker 1: came across, because if he does, he does need to
Speaker 1: be reminded that, like, it's not about saying the right things,
Speaker 1: it's not about you know, sharing something vulnerable and expecting
Speaker 1: a reward. Yeah, exactly. And it felt like he felt
Speaker 1: like he did X y Z and he should get
Speaker 1: a Rose to reward that versus feeling upset and discourage
Speaker 1: that like he really cares about this woman and is
Speaker 1: looking for some validation from Yeah, I think you said
Speaker 1: it best. I think you nailed it, and I would agree.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's not that like having strong feelings
Speaker 1: for somebody and being invested in this relationship and being
Speaker 1: upset that you, you know, feel kind of off after
Speaker 1: a conversation happened is one thing like he and he
Speaker 1: is entitled to feel however he feels like that is
Speaker 1: valid the part that I'm sure rubbed me and maybe
Speaker 1: other viewers a little bit off, and because he didn't
Speaker 1: say anything bad, but it's the fact that, like you said,
Speaker 1: he hit all the points, he won the cheese challenge,
Speaker 1: and he opened up in a way that he felt
Speaker 1: like he hasn't been able to open up before. That
Speaker 1: he deserved something. And it's like, yeah, but you also
Speaker 1: don't know these other conversations that these guys are having
Speaker 1: with Rachel, and she's not invalidating your relationship by not
Speaker 1: giving you this rose in this moment. Like, if anything,
Speaker 1: she's probably on the same page as Tino and cares
Speaker 1: just as much about him, but she also has multiple
Speaker 1: relationships that she's working through and so it just I
Speaker 1: like part of me and we already know, like because
Speaker 1: we see a little bit behind the scenes, and like
Speaker 1: we see how what she is saying about him, and
Speaker 1: like how she feels about him. So we are privy
Speaker 1: to a bit more than he wasn't that moment, but
Speaker 1: like we know she cares about him just as much.
Speaker 1: We know she's like fun only and for this man.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the sense of entitlement and like
Speaker 1: because I did x y Z, I deserve more XYZ whatever.
Speaker 1: It's a feel. It's like him feeling that he's more
Speaker 1: deserving than anyone else there because he was vulnerable and
Speaker 1: he was strong at the cheese challenge, whereas it's like,
Speaker 1: you don't know what these other conversations were, you don't
Speaker 1: know how they went. And it doesn't necessarily mean that
Speaker 1: she doesn't have you know, she could be madly love
Speaker 1: Putina at this point and still potentially give someone else
Speaker 1: a rose that week, because there are multiple connections there
Speaker 1: and they are developing differently. But he did start to
Speaker 1: talk about later, you know, after I think it was
Speaker 1: in the rose ceremony, about how he was like I'm
Speaker 1: starting to worry that like, maybe she doesn't feel the
Speaker 1: same way. So I do feel like everything he was saying,
Speaker 1: I hope, because I have liked him up until this point,
Speaker 1: and I still do like him came from a place
Speaker 1: of insecurity and like discouragement versus a place of like,
Speaker 1: have you just been really strategic this entire time and
Speaker 1: you're being you're feeling entitled to these roses because you have,
Speaker 1: in your head, been strategic about what you've been saying.
Speaker 1: So I think we'll see as it goes on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that part was very interesting to me, and I
Speaker 1: feel like out of all of Rachel's men, I didn't
Speaker 1: expect that from him. Hopefully next week he kind of
Speaker 1: gets out of his head a little bit. We'll see,
Speaker 1: because I do feel like he is a top contender.
Speaker 1: I feel like he is like one of her. I
Speaker 1: think he also will be top two, and this isn't
Speaker 1: I've said this before on the podcast, So I hope
Speaker 1: that he can kind of step out and see that
Speaker 1: she's going through this very unique experience and can be
Speaker 1: more supportive and like actually in it for her and
Speaker 1: not for doing all the right things saying all the
Speaker 1: right things. But let's get into well, I don't even
Speaker 1: think we need to talk about the Rose ceremony. I mean,
Speaker 1: Rachel's got her for guys, we kind of just touched
Speaker 1: on that, and then Gabby has wait, wait, we do
Speaker 1: have to talk about Logan, who kind of just sailed
Speaker 1: off into the sunset with without a goodbye Logan. I
Speaker 1: was I was shocked. I mean, it's one thing for
Speaker 1: Jesse to come and cancel the cocktail party because somebody
Speaker 1: has COVID. That I understand, but then I kept being like,
Speaker 1: well did he just go home without saying where is he?
Speaker 1: Like I would assume he's quarantining. I mean they would
Speaker 1: have to have immediately isolated him. I'm assuming. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think it's like castaway where he is not on
Speaker 1: a lone island by himself and we'll maybe see him
Speaker 1: raft back one day in the future. Who knows, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, with his volleyball. I'm not sure, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just in my mind. I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: is he Like what if gap? But but then I
Speaker 1: was thinking like, what if this was a guy that
Speaker 1: Gabby was super into that it's very apparently what if
Speaker 1: it was an Eric, Like what would would they just
Speaker 1: like sent him off and he was done. I can't imagine. Eric, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I know we had a good connection, I think with
Speaker 1: Logan to like the fact that he was with Rachel
Speaker 1: for and then went over to gabby side. Like I
Speaker 1: can imagine it would have been very difficult for Gabby
Speaker 1: to have a connection with Logan that was as strong
Speaker 1: with her as her connection with her other guys, because
Speaker 1: they've just had so much more time together. So like,
Speaker 1: even if Logan didn't unfortunately get COVID, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he would have been making it to hometowns. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess we'll never know, but that would be my prediction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine, so just because of the lack of time,
Speaker 1: but also too if I was Gabby, I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I only have to go to three hometowns and I
Speaker 1: can have an extra two days to sleep. Cool, sign
Speaker 1: me up, thank you. Yeah, that's where I would be.
Speaker 1: Let's get into your fashion picks of this season, because
Speaker 1: we can't have you on here and not do that.
Speaker 1: So I have personally missed the fashion breakdowns. You were
Speaker 1: such a professional a critiquing everyone, so I want you
Speaker 1: to I'm going to go in order. First off, can
Speaker 1: you give me a grandman note your favorite best rose
Speaker 1: ceremony look from Gabby this season? Okay, So this was
Speaker 1: a look that I feel like kind of went under
Speaker 1: the radar. Gabby's weren't a lot of really like bold black,
Speaker 1: navy like sequined gowns that were so striking on her,
Speaker 1: but this was a little bit different and same for her.
Speaker 1: She kind of combined. She wore a purple like a
Speaker 1: magenta dress, which we haven't seen her in a lot
Speaker 1: of color. She's definitely more of a neutral gal. And
Speaker 1: it had these mesh sleeves, which I feel like might
Speaker 1: have been hard to see on camera, and they had
Speaker 1: like little poofs at the end and a very like
Speaker 1: deep plunging neckline, which is so Gabby. She's worn so
Speaker 1: many dresses. She loves a deep neckline. And I just
Speaker 1: thought it was so fun. She had her hair and
Speaker 1: soft waves, is a little bit of a different look
Speaker 1: for her, and I just thought it was really cute,
Speaker 1: really playful and super chice like. The sleeves were gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I loved. We've seen so much like mash sheer materials lately,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that would be ten night dress. Okay, give
Speaker 1: me the best Rose ceremony look for Rachel Rachel. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: Rachel is a big fan of like these asymmetrical necklines.
Speaker 1: She's worn a lot of them this season. She's also
Speaker 1: a lot more into like color print, like different textures
Speaker 1: of fabric. Then I would say Gabby is they're both
Speaker 1: so cheapen on trup but it is nice because they
Speaker 1: have very different styles and like lean in different directions.
Speaker 1: And she wore I think it was literally last week,
Speaker 1: this asymmetrical neckline with like a little bit of a
Speaker 1: mash v green. It was like a gown like and
Speaker 1: it was so beautiful in her fit her so well,
Speaker 1: She's got like such beautiful curves, so like it just
Speaker 1: it fit her like a glove. And yeah, I was obsessed.
Speaker 1: I thought she looked so good. She actually she had
Speaker 1: a week to black dress that had meshed it too,
Speaker 1: that I loved. But I think the green was just
Speaker 1: yea so nice with like her blonde hair. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Popped Okay, Best date look for Gabby Okay, Gabby's best
Speaker 1: date look. Oh she wore You guys know, I love
Speaker 1: neutrals and I love a matching set and gave last
Speaker 1: week wore a long sleeve, little crop top that matched
Speaker 1: a nit skirt all black and had this really beautiful
Speaker 1: detailing kind of on her rib cage area of mash underneath,
Speaker 1: and then she paired it with these high black boots.
Speaker 1: I thought it was just such a chic look, so simple,
Speaker 1: high ponytail for her group date. And we've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of these like high black boots lately. But I
Speaker 1: loved how she paired it with this outfit because it
Speaker 1: was like more I think it was like a nit
Speaker 1: ribbed material, so it just kind of like elevated it.
Speaker 1: I thought she looked so sexy in it. It was honest,
Speaker 1: sets like, I want it so much if I can
Speaker 1: find it, if I can find it where it is,
Speaker 1: I will go by that. Jerry Fetman dropped the deeds.
Speaker 1: Where did you get that outfit? Sobviously, yeah, I'll ask it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll text me after this to see. Thanks. Okay,
Speaker 1: the best date looked Rachel. Rachel has worn two date
Speaker 1: looks that were kind of similar, and both of them,
Speaker 1: like were amazing on her. So the first group date
Speaker 1: that they had, the pageant one, she wore this. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was real leather of faux leather,
Speaker 1: but like a leather looking button up dress had a
Speaker 1: cinch tie at the waist. It was in this like
Speaker 1: cream beige color, and Rachel loves like a chunky heel.
Speaker 1: She's always wearing these like big almost like seventies vibe
Speaker 1: chunky heels and gold jewelry. And I don't know it,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't something that I was like wow when
Speaker 1: I saw her in it, but it's like stuck with
Speaker 1: me through the season, Like it was like a very
Speaker 1: memorable sheet look that she wore. And on her date
Speaker 1: with Avn she wore something similar where it was like
Speaker 1: a long sleeve button up like leather, looking more of
Speaker 1: a brown dress. The cream one has to be the
Speaker 1: winner though, so good on her okay, And then is
Speaker 1: there any look from either Gabby or Rachel not giving
Speaker 1: the credit that it deserves. I mean, there's so many
Speaker 1: They've had an amazing season. This has been some of
Speaker 1: my favorite fashion I've seen in a while on this show.
Speaker 1: I mean, everything has been so gorgeous, and I think
Speaker 1: it's really fun to watch because their two bacherettes with
Speaker 1: gray style but different style, and I think it just
Speaker 1: really enhances, like their individuality and their individual personalities. But
Speaker 1: I did see online when I was like looking through
Speaker 1: photos and stuff trying to pick outfits for this there
Speaker 1: was a little bit of criticism towards a dress that
Speaker 1: Rachel wore that I was like, I thought this was
Speaker 1: amazing on her, so I'm going to give it a
Speaker 1: shout out. It was a little black dress and it
Speaker 1: was a huge like flower that was on one side
Speaker 1: another like asymmetrical look, and it was a tight little
Speaker 1: black body con and I thought it was so fun.
Speaker 1: I thought she looked great in it. Again, like played
Speaker 1: into her asymmetrical kind of theme. And Gabby that episode,
Speaker 1: I believe, were like a strapless, very tight, mini metallic dress.
Speaker 1: So they just looked so good together. Like I was like,
Speaker 1: these photos are amazing, and yeah, that was a look
Speaker 1: that really stood out to me. It was just a
Speaker 1: very bold pattern. Okay, now switching to the guys, it's
Speaker 1: more fun to talk about the women's fashion. But who
Speaker 1: out of this bunch of men is the best dressed
Speaker 1: guy from this season? This is a harder one, at
Speaker 1: least for me being a woman. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: so drawn to the woman's fashion, and I mean Jesse
Speaker 1: Palmer obviously knocks out of the park every episode because
Speaker 1: he has professionally style. Yeah, he has a little bit
Speaker 1: of an advantage, but you know what, I was looking
Speaker 1: through photos and Johnny actually has great fashion. He has
Speaker 1: played around with like turtlenecks and chains and like cool sneakers.
Speaker 1: He had like a really great jacket on his one
Speaker 1: on one day. He's definitely he's rocking like some tapered
Speaker 1: slim fit dress pants. Like he's in. He's in with
Speaker 1: the fashion. He knows the trends and I love to
Speaker 1: see it. I also, he just totally won me over
Speaker 1: on their one on one day. Oh yeah, we're obsessed
Speaker 1: with Johnny in this apartment. I think he's so funny.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of Johnny and kind of like what
Speaker 1: you said. I feel like the men's style is much
Speaker 1: more unassuming, and maybe it's because we're women we don't
Speaker 1: pay attention as much. But he's a guy that I
Speaker 1: feel it can rock really anything, and like he even
Speaker 1: though he says we had him on the podcast, he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not that confident. He uses confidence and can rock
Speaker 1: anything without being like too bold or over the top. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's got a very like simple classic style, but he
Speaker 1: always looks really cool and put together. You know what's interesting. Actually,
Speaker 1: I feel like he used to be on the Bachelorette.
Speaker 1: At Rose ceremonies, you would always see the guys in
Speaker 1: a suit and like a button up shirt and a tie.
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's gotten more casual, definite miliars
Speaker 1: this season. We've seen people in literal like white tshirts
Speaker 1: or white lung sleeves with their suit on top and
Speaker 1: like a chain, like sneakers. Like the guys are really
Speaker 1: kind of it's very fashioned forward, but like definitely dressing
Speaker 1: down for these Rose ceremonies more than we've seen in
Speaker 1: the past. Oh yeah, I feel like even within recent seasons,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's just sticking out more like I want
Speaker 1: to say, starting with Clarentatious season, where the men casual
Speaker 1: up more. But they'll but they'll accessorize differently and more fun,
Speaker 1: Like they'll do brooches or like you said, the necklaces
Speaker 1: or like earrings and something that we've never quite seen
Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, it's not you know what, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's so reflective of just like fashion in general,
Speaker 1: because I really do feel like post COVID fashion has
Speaker 1: become like like more casual. Looks have become more trendy.
Speaker 1: Like we're seeing like sweatsuits and people wearing like cool
Speaker 1: joggers with booties and heels, and like everyone just wants
Speaker 1: to become fee all the time now, which I am
Speaker 1: all for that and I like it. I think it's
Speaker 1: like different. I think the show fashion is like very
Speaker 1: reflective of like the fashion. And oh I agree. Also,
Speaker 1: now that you say that, I just have to say,
Speaker 1: fuck jeans. I hate wearing cheese these days. COVID has
Speaker 1: ruined me. All. I want to wear our sweatpants or
Speaker 1: something comfortable. Never again, jeans. I'm the same, I'm the same,
Speaker 1: But you always look so good. I always look like
Speaker 1: a slap kebab. But it's like I'm ready to work out.
Speaker 1: I'm always like ready to go to the gym, even
Speaker 1: though when I don't go to the gym. Um, Okay, Serena,
Speaker 1: it has been so much fun having you here. You
Speaker 1: know the drill vow with every person we have on
Speaker 1: we obviously do the rose and thorn. So for just
Speaker 1: this week's episode, give me your rose and your thorne. Okay,
Speaker 1: So for this episode, my Rose was learning about the
Speaker 1: tulip Field and Amsterdam. The fact that it only blooms
Speaker 1: two weeks a year. I never would have known that existed,
Speaker 1: And it was just so gorgeous to see and just
Speaker 1: such a romantic date idea, like if those two are
Speaker 1: really like falling in love, it was so beautifully esthetic
Speaker 1: to watch them like walking through this tulipfield and being
Speaker 1: in the hot tub. Was very jealous of that date
Speaker 1: and my thorn is going to have to be not
Speaker 1: getting to watch logan sail away and a life blow
Speaker 1: off the cruise ship State of the Sunset. Well, who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe he didn't make it back to the States. Maybe
Speaker 1: he made it to Mexico. We aren't, Serena. It has
Speaker 1: been so much fun to having you back with me.
Speaker 1: My mom is going to be thrilled because she absolutely
Speaker 1: loves you. Thank you for popping on and you know
Speaker 1: I've said this before the last time you're with me,
Speaker 1: but you are welcome back anytime. Oh, thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for having me. I'm miss being here
Speaker 1: with you and chatting. So it was so much fun
Speaker 1: to be back. And hopefully Michelle is feeling better next week.
Speaker 1: Yes bye, thank you, Butcher. Happy Hour listeners, and a
Speaker 1: huge thank you to Serena. I always love having her
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