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Speaker 1: What's up, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. I'm host Becca Kufern,

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Speaker 1: and today we have a very fun surprise for you.

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Speaker 1: So she was originally going to be our guest today,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately my co host Michelle isn't feeling all that

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Speaker 1: well today. She's a little bit under the weather. So

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to announce that we are welcoming back Serena

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Speaker 1: Pitt herself as my co host and part guests today.

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Speaker 1: So welcome back to Happy Hour. Serena. Hello, Becca, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for that lovely intro. I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: to be back here with you today and all of

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Speaker 1: our amazing Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. So I'm ready to

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Speaker 1: just get into it. Let's talk about the journey. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about Rachel and Gaby. I mean, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited, and you know, of course, we also

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Speaker 1: at the end of this have to talk about the

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Speaker 1: fashion moments, because that was your whole thing when you

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Speaker 1: co hosted with me last season that I do truly

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Speaker 1: miss and I had so much fun listening to you

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Speaker 1: give recaps week by week of like the top fashion

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Speaker 1: moments or fashion fails. So we made sure to include

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Speaker 1: that this week for you too. But in the meantime

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Speaker 1: and before we get into like the meat of the

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Speaker 1: episode and this interview, I want to catch up with

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Speaker 1: you because it's been a hot second since you've been

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Speaker 1: on Happy Hour with me. So fill us all in.

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Speaker 1: How have you been. I've been good. Life's good. It's busy,

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Speaker 1: and Joe and I have our place in New York together.

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Speaker 1: We're still popping back and forth to Toronto and Chicago

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Speaker 1: and all over the place, so we cannot complain everything's

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Speaker 1: been very great. You guys have been crazy busy traveling

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Speaker 1: all over the place. The last time we saw you,

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Speaker 1: we were in Mexico together. We took we were on

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Speaker 1: a little double date night in Mexico getting caught up

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Speaker 1: and you guys actually had something super fun going on.

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Speaker 1: And didn't a design team come in to your New

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Speaker 1: York pad and totally outfitted and decorated and make it

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Speaker 1: look spectacular. Yes, So when we were having dinner with

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Speaker 1: you guys, we had a team back in our New

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Speaker 1: York apartment, Alexandra Gator and her team. They are an

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Speaker 1: amazing design team from Toronto. They specialize in small rental spaces.

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Speaker 1: This is not an ad I'm like pitching it as

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Speaker 1: an ad. It's not. But she is amazing and such

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Speaker 1: a great job. She did such a good job. She

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Speaker 1: basically just did all rent friendly makeovers on our spaces,

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Speaker 1: like our living room, in a little bit of our kitchen,

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Speaker 1: and we're so happy with it. We literally just threw

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Speaker 1: all of Joe's furniture into this apartment, which he had

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Speaker 1: great furniture. It was all really nice, but it just

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Speaker 1: kind of fit the space a lot better. So we're

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Speaker 1: enjoying it. We have been not here, like I was

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Speaker 1: gone for a month in Canada and now we're back

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Speaker 1: and forth. We're gone every weekend this month, so every

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Speaker 1: time we come home, we're just so happy to be

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Speaker 1: home and be able to enjoy the space. Well, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing like moving in with your partner. And obviously, like

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Speaker 1: you have stuff from your place before, and your partner

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Speaker 1: has stuff from their place before too, But there's nothing

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Speaker 1: better than like combining everything and picking out pieces that

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Speaker 1: I think that's like the special part of moving in

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Speaker 1: headache and it can be crazy town, which I am

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Speaker 1: experienced anyone. Yeah, you're in your guest house right now.

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Speaker 1: I am in the guest house right now, and I cannot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've talked about the main house that's under

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Speaker 1: construction on the podcast before. It's going to be like

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Speaker 1: and so we're slowly kind of putting this puzzle together.

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Speaker 1: It's finding like your combined styles exactly exactly, and it

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Speaker 1: is Joe. Well, I was gonna say Joe is probably

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Speaker 1: pretty easy breezy, but he's probably the opposite. I feel

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Speaker 1: He's got a vision. You know, it's Joe's world, it's

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Speaker 1: we're all just going with it. I'm so spared to

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Speaker 1: But give him a hug when you see him next.

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Speaker 1: I'm good, but thank you, Becky says high miss him.

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Speaker 1: I am so shocked that when you guys gave like

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Speaker 1: George Clooney somewhere through. Oh my gosh, you know what,

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Speaker 1: that's such a good idea. Get him like a framed photo.

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Speaker 1: Just get him like a little like just a tiny one,

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Speaker 1: like went to the bedside table next to like his

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Speaker 1: You know what when we get when we come visit

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Speaker 1: you guys, when the place is done, you should just

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Speaker 1: put like photos of George Clooney all around. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: that's all it's going to be. You know how people

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Speaker 1: I will just George Clooney the guesthouse. Um, okay, we

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Speaker 1: could talk about George Clooney for far too long. It's

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Speaker 1: Joe's favorite person in the world besides Serena. But um,

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Speaker 1: you just mentioned do you guys have been all over

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't a trip that you like quite expected. Correct, No,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't. August is a very exciting month. We are

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Speaker 1: Thinking it was going to be one thing and then

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Speaker 1: that's all you need. Okay. I have to ask because

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Speaker 1: our listeners would read me if I didn't. But it's

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Speaker 1: But like, like you said, things get booked up so

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Speaker 1: just have Joe reach out to George Clooney. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he'll offer you his Lake Como home. As you know, well,

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Speaker 1: we could just have a joy wedding. We'll just we'll

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Speaker 1: and Kenny can get it on it. Tianne Taylor can

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Speaker 1: so fast. It's going by so fast. It is going

429
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: by fast, but it's also only week six, Like we

430
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 1: still have. Yeah, I think a month of episodes left,

431
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: many more episodes, many more Gray's anatomy analogies to come

432
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: up this season. I'm bachelor happy yet because like to me,

433
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: it makes so much shoes and anyone who has seen Grays,

434
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: I think can kind of, like, you know, find the

435
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 1: similarities to the situations. Two great shows that have been

436
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 1: on our televisions forever. But let's get into the fact

437
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: that hometowns are right around the corner. This was such

438
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: a pivotal weekend. I'm sure you kind of remember back

439
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: in Matt's season. God, that feels like forever ago. But

440
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: when you were in Mad season, like, obviously you made

441
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: it to hometowns. Do you like, what do you remember

442
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: most about your experience going into that week when you

443
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: were on The Bachelor. Yeah? I remember that week actually

444
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: very clearly because I was the person on my season

445
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: I got the second one on one date. So I

446
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: was the same as Nate who was sitting there and

447
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, it's gonna be so and so, It's

448
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 1: gonna be so and so because there were people who

449
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: hadn't had one on ones yet and was shocked to

450
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 1: get that second one on one and was so happy,

451
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: so excited, was like, I'm going to fall in love

452
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: with this guy today. I can feel it. And it

453
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 1: was I remember getting the rows, knowing I was going

454
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: into hometowns and really just feeling that energy switch of like, Okay,

455
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 1: this is getting serious. You know, all the girls that

456
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: went into hometowns you could tell like we had taken

457
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: a step into another stage of this show, another stage

458
00:22:55,119 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: of this journey, and getting families involved is both intense

459
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: and it intense buys the relationship. But for me, I

460
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: wasn't even worried about like, oh my gosh, Matt meeting

461
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: my family. I was so happy to be having them coming,

462
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: because families bring in a new perspective. They see things

463
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: from kind of an outsider's point of view, coming into

464
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: this journey, and like looking at you and this guy,

465
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: they don't know anything in advance, and they know you

466
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 1: better than anyone. So honestly, typically watching Hometowns for me

467
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: is like one of my least favorite episodes, but being

468
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: in it, it was probably the biggest week of the

469
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: entire season for me as a contestant. Right, what about you,

470
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: Becca going to Hometowns as the bachelorette. What was that

471
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: kind of like for you? Oh, well, it's so different

472
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: going in as a contestant and kind of like what

473
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: you were saying where you were just excited to see

474
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: your family again. I was. I was so ready. I mean,

475
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: it had been such a crazy experience up until that point,

476
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: and that had been the longest I'd ever gone without

477
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,479
Speaker 1: talking to any family or friends. So I was just

478
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: ready to do it, so pumped. When I was the lead,

479
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: it was vastly different because I was going into four

480
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: of the men's hometowns and I and I was much

481
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: more aware of, like, you know, I need to make

482
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: sure I can find a family that I can fit

483
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 1: into and um, and I mean I feel like I

484
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: lucked out though all four families were incredible when I

485
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: was in that week and they were all so different

486
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: but so fun. And I feel like, and maybe this

487
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: maybe there's a difference between boucherettes and bachelor leads, Like

488
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: I feel like when we watch a boucheer lead, the

489
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: families like really grill him a lot more. And I

490
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: felt like for me, I didn't experience really any well,

491
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: feel like the bachelors just have it harder these days

492
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: in the sense that it's like you're being a player,

493
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: you're dating for women, like they get such a bad

494
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: rep like what are your intentions? Whereas like the Batch ress,

495
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: like you're a strong, powerful confidence standard, they are such

496
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: a double standards Like I feel for the batchlords, but

497
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: I feel like all these families are gonna Like I

498
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: hope they all love Rachel and Gabby. I mean, what's

499
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: they ought to love? I think that they will. And

500
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm lucky enough was briefly met Rachel and

501
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: Gabby in person last week at the tell All and

502
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: like being with them for ten minutes, I can only

503
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: imagine like spending the night with a family like they're

504
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: gonna fall in love with these girls. But but um yeah,

505
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: there was. It was like it was a pressure in

506
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: a different way. I wasn't really nervous. I was going

507
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: to go in and be like, you know, like I

508
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: hope I just can meet these families for who they

509
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: are and kind of see how they taking their sons

510
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: and what they have to say about them. But the

511
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: nerve wracking part was like at the end when it

512
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: was like my family coming for that last week to

513
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: meet my last two guys. That was the part that

514
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: was so anxiety written. It was like the hardest part

515
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: of my journey, I would say was just like I

516
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: remember just sitting with my mom and sister and crying

517
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: for like two hours every day when they met these guys,

518
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,239
Speaker 1: because I was like I like both these people and

519
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. And that was the

520
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: hard part. But hometowns itself is so fun. There's nothing

521
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: better than me like, yeah, like this is me and

522
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm used to this and I feel like I'm in

523
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: my comfort zone. I can just kind of show it

524
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: off to you and it's just it's fun. It's kind

525
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: of the guy's chance to take charge and like show

526
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: them around, and it's gonna be so fun to like

527
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: actually go back. Like I love hometowns episodes are so

528
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: much better when we really get to go to their hometowns,

529
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: which we don't. I believe we are gonna see that,

530
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be really fun getting to like see

531
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: them in their environment. I always find the guys and

532
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,239
Speaker 1: the girls when they're at home look and feel so

533
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: much more comfortable then they have the entire season when

534
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: they're like with their people in their space. Yeah, Oh

535
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: my gosh, I can't wait, And I like this is

536
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: hometown's last year was the week we met Grandpa John,

537
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: Gabby's Grandpa John. It was, And so I hope that

538
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: one of these guys has like a Grandpa John esque

539
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: person in their family. What's Rachel's dazzing tone? Is it? Tony? Tony?

540
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: I feel like he had like a like a bold

541
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: moment too. Oh yeah, because he like shook Clayton's hand

542
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: at the end. Do you remember that? Yes? Yeah, and

543
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: she well she was I think nervous too, Yeah, she was, Clayton.

544
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: One thing I actually want to ask you, because we're

545
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: in this week right before Hometowns, did you notice a

546
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: shift in the group that you were with, like the

547
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: group of women, because I felt like I remember feeling

548
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: it felt more tense being with the women that week

549
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: of like this is really make or break and this

550
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: is super serious, and I felt like they're like the

551
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: tone was just different that week before. Did you feel

552
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: like that with your women? Yeah, definitely, it definitely just

553
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: everyone got way more serious, way more intense, Like emotions

554
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: were high. I was lucky because I had the one

555
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: on one and then Rachel was on the group daning.

556
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: She got a rose too, so we were roommates and

557
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: we both had roses, which was nice because we were

558
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: able to go into the rose ceremony relaxed together. But

559
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: I remember the day of that rose ceremony, even like

560
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: the day before, you could tell everyone was like on edge,

561
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: kind of it's make or break if you're taking that

562
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: next step or not. I felt like this was the

563
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: week where people were really picking apart others. This is

564
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: going to sound bad, but like they were kind of

565
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: picking apart the other woman and being like she's not

566
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: old enough, she's not mature enough. She said this three

567
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: weeks ago, so that means she's not ready to introduce

568
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: you to her family and it was just like this,

569
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: so so much of like this, she said, she said

570
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: in like, yeah, how can we solidify our place? You

571
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: know what's so funny this season at least is I

572
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: feel like you're so right, Like this week before Hometowns

573
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: is when everyone gets so intent, and I feel like

574
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: we did see this on Clayton's season, but not this season.

575
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: Is like no one has kind of like tried to

576
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: like sabotage anyone else. Like I feel like this is

577
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: when people get into their own heads and maybe make

578
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: some decisions that like aren't in their best interest or

579
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: in the relationship's best interests. But all of these guys

580
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: have seemed to have stayed like pretty shell, pretty calm.

581
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: There's been no drama, no like, no guy on Guide

582
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: From at all. And it was it happened early on

583
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: with Chris and then you know, halfway through a little

584
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: bit Ago Hayden, come on, guys, spice it up. Yeah,

585
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: it's moment Like there's the main drama we've seen all season,

586
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: and it's actually kind of refreshing. Is like situations of

587
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: like stuff that the girls have to deal with with

588
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: the men and not with the men themselves. It's much

589
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: more of like I don't even know if I want

590
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: to call it drama, because it's not like they're fighting

591
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: or anything, but like emotionally charged moments between Rachel and Gabby,

592
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: a lot of like im tears, a lot of interview

593
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: crying and think we've seen, and a lot of just

594
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, them needing that additional reassurance in comparison to

595
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: probably leads we've seen in the past, because there's two

596
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: of them and they are facing a lot more rejection.

597
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have talked about this on the podcast,

598
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: but what do you think of the two bachelorettes? Like,

599
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: are you liking it? See? I am, Actually I like

600
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: it more than I thought at first. When they announced

601
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be two bachelor IDEs, I was like, gosh,

602
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna you know, it's gonna be like girl on

603
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: girl fighting, or like not even fighting with each other,

604
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: but just like people picking favorites and kind of pitting

605
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: them against one another. I actually love it. And I

606
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: actually looked at Michelle last week when we were at

607
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: the tell all and we both said the same thing,

608
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: where like we wish we would have had a friend

609
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: to do our seasons with to go through everything with

610
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: to be able to have that girl time and the

611
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: girl chats throughout, and I think it's you know, it's

612
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: everything that's new is going to get mixed reviews and

613
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: people are going to have their separate opinions and criticisms

614
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: about it, But I really enjoy watching them together, and

615
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: I think because they are so close and so respectful

616
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: of one another, it works really well. And you couldn't

617
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: do it with everyone. Like, let's be honest, the season

618
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: with two leads couldn't be the same if it wasn't

619
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: these two. Yeah, what about you? No, I really like it.

620
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: I do, and I feel like I would love to

621
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: talk to Rachel and Gabby. I know you guys had

622
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: them on the podcast and hear about if they felt

623
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: like they were pitted against each other, but it doesn't

624
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: seem like it from a viewer's perspective, Like it really

625
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: feels like they got to act as each other's support system.

626
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: And I know there was all that controversy around like

627
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: team Rachel team Gavy when they like divide it, but like,

628
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: I think that was more just like the guys boosting

629
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: each woman up. I don't think it was meant to

630
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: be like they were competing against one another. Yeah, And

631
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: having been on the show, and like having watched the

632
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: show for years, like it's entertaining for me as a

633
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 1: viewer to see a different format because it's so much

634
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: harder to predict what's going to happen, and like we're seeing,

635
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, new challenges and new struggles that these women

636
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: are facing that are both like hurting them but like

637
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: also like strengthening their relationships and they're growing from it.

638
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: And it's just made for a very interesting, kind of

639
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: unique dynamic this season that like I've really liked. I

640
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: don't know if it would be like at every single season,

641
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: let's have two or three four about shreds, but like

642
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: definitely the season I thought it was great. Yeah. Yeah,

643
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think, like you said, I don't think

644
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: it could be every season or like I think there

645
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: needs to be like some sort of break. But I

646
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: just think the variety of it is wonderful too. And

647
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: I've said this before, but that's why people like watching Paradise.

648
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: It is because there's multiple stories and multiple relationships that

649
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: people look nice because it's like these guys have picked

650
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: like I you know, there's two girls, but like some

651
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: of these guys, like know, like I genuinely feel connection

652
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: with Rachel, Like so you see that like mutual like

653
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: picking each other, which I think is really nice. Yeah,

654
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: And another thing that I don't think anyone can really

655
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: know what it feels like unless you're a lead. But

656
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: like there are times where it's it's a really scary

657
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: thing being just like a sole lead and having all

658
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: of the like attention on you, because it's like I

659
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: found myself questioning quite a bit, and I have asked

660
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: past leads this too, like did you really feel like

661
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: these people were here for you because they like to you,

662
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: were they could see a future with you, they could

663
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: actually develop feelings for you, or because that's all that

664
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: had to focus on. Like, and that's kind of why

665
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: I like having two women, is because these women have

666
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: to go through relationship and compartmentalize each relationship and their

667
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: feelings for every man and the men at the top

668
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: of this season how to do the same thing, Like

669
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: they kind of really had to think about who's going

670
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: to be the best fit for me, Who can I

671
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: really develop strong feelings for who I could see like

672
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: this relationship lasting. And I think that it ultimately just

673
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: like makes a relationship stronger because they're not just like

674
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: zoned in on one person and it's not just like

675
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: that soul competition like eyes on the prize type thing. Yeah, totally,

676
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: And like it's not like you just have like idealized

677
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: this one person this whole time, like this soul Like

678
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: it's like, are you really falling in love with the person?

679
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: Are you falling in love with like the idea of

680
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: like ending up with a Bachelorrette? I want to ask,

681
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: is it, like I'm just curious that I've obviously never

682
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: been in a leave role. It does it get like

683
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: lonely being the lead when it's just you? So that's

684
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: actually a good question. I don't think anyone's ever asked

685
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: me that before. Lonely in the sense of, I mean,

686
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: you're never alone, right, you always have At least when

687
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: I was about Sharrette, I had a team of three

688
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: women always with me. We would travel together, I mean,

689
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: and I got really close with them, where like we

690
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: would have summer parties every night because we just got

691
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: so close. It's the hard part, though, is realizing, like

692
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: to some extent, this is still their job and even

693
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: though we're friends and they genuinely care about me, and

694
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: the outcome of like my relationship here it's still a show.

695
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: And that's where when I say Gabby and Rachel, the

696
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: fact that they can have each other leanon is so

697
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: special and so important and something I actually wish I had.

698
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: Is because like, you don't have your close family and friends,

699
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: You don't have people who have known you for a

700
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: while who know what makes you tick, who know like

701
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: what you kind of need in a partner or what

702
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: you need to give to some And so I never

703
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: felt lonely, but at times I felt like like maybe

704
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: someone who could relate to would be nice to. Yeah,

705
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: I was also going through that, right And I don't

706
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: want to say misunderstood, because that's the wrong word, but yeah,

707
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: somebody who can like feel like they're walking into my

708
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: footsteps and then like we're going along this together and

709
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: like they can fully understand totally. Yeah, But I mean

710
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: and also to you're like constantly filming, You're constantly on

711
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: dates or talking to the men or in interviews or

712
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, and so it's like you don't

713
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: really have time to like feel like you're just going

714
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: to go and then when you actually have time to

715
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: be alone. You just pass out. You're like, thank god,

716
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to sleep. Yeah, exactly for the one hour

717
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: I have. But yeah, okay, let's get back into the

718
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: actual episode though, because there was a couple of things.

719
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: I mean, both women had just one one on one

720
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: date and then they each had a group date. I

721
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: want to get into the group dates. But then I

722
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: also want to make sure we talk about Tino a

723
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: bit on this episode, because that was a situation that

724
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: really stood out to me, that was interesting. But let's

725
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: get Can we just talk about gabbies one on one

726
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: date or not one on one days group date? What

727
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: were your thoughts on this? I wanted to hate it,

728
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: but I loved it. I thought it was hysterical, like

729
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: so I've been to Amsterdam, like I've been to like

730
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: the Red Light distri and all that, but like it

731
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: was not something I was expecting to see on this show, right,

732
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: and the guys were so blustered, so hilarious. It was

733
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: like I was dying when they were doing the safe words,

734
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: like they were cracking me up. So this part, this

735
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: is the one group date that Thomas was like out

736
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: and about working on the house. He chose to walk

737
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: in to me watching this episode in this moment where

738
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: Gabby is whipping the men and they're coming up with

739
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: these safe words, and he's like, is this the Bachelorette?

740
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: It's like to watch She's like Carol, she's allowed to

741
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: whip them on this show and I have a rebrand.

742
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: ABC is pushing the boundaries on this one. I loved it.

743
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: Can we please talk about these safe words though, that

744
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: these men come up with, Like Spencer said Albuquerque, Logan

745
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: said asbestos, which I was asbestos was the best one

746
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: in my opinion. I was cacting because he's like, it's

747
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: something you don't want in the bedroom, and I was like, true, okay,

748
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: makes sense if you had a safe word with Joe,

749
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: what would it be? Okay. So there's one of my

750
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: favorite movies is Sleeping with Other People with Alison Bree

751
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: and Jason said kisses kas um And there's like joking

752
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: safe word in the movie for when like they're crossing,

753
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: like the friendship boundary is um mouse Trap. I love it.

754
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: I think it's so and it's so violent, like like

755
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: most Trail. Nothing sexy about the most Trail. It's gonna

756
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: stop stop everything real quick. Whether you wanted to or not,

757
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: Like the game is over when you pull out the

758
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: most trail. I was dying like this whole date. Like

759
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: I was like, I wish I was Gabby right now.

760
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: This is gonna like and I'm sure people will pick

761
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: apart what I'm about to say on this podcast, but

762
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: like there's something seems so cathartic about going around and

763
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: just like nicely whipping these men on the floor. Like

764
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: after the week she's had, she you know, bawled her

765
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: eyes out the other day and on a date, She's like,

766
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: this is what I need right now, And I was

767
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: like Dominatrix moment. I loved it for her, it was

768
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I was entertained. People can talk about the

769
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: state all they want, but were you not entertained? But

770
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: you know what, like it was something different. It was

771
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: something like I feel like, so Rachel had that date

772
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: with they were like seduce her, like trying to get

773
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: them to seduce her. Do you remember and that they

774
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: And I was like, I feel like that was like

775
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: a different kind of similar structure as to this date.

776
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: But it just felt so awkward to me. Where is

777
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: this date? At least like it was funny, like no

778
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 1: one was going to take this seriously. The guys felt

779
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: uncomfortable what we're like being funny about it. Gabby wasn't

780
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: trying to like make it serious like she was. It

781
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: was just and like it was something we've never seen

782
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: on the show before, which I always enjoy. Yeah, it

783
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: was fun loving that's the thing. Like at the end

784
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: of the day, like and I'm sure if any of

785
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: the guys actually felt uncomfortable, they would have used their

786
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: safe word. But exactly, and keep in mind again to

787
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: all of our listeners, if people don't actually want to

788
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: partake in a group data or they feel uncomfortable, like

789
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: they aren't forced into it, like they truly aren't, they

790
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: can step out and say no. But I think also

791
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: to the fact that it's like, you know, halfway through

792
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: the season towards the end, and it's such a small

793
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 1: group of guys who have now lived on a cruise

794
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: ship together for seventeen years. They brought we are so

795
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: comfortable with each other, like it's probably shit that they've

796
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: talked about like off camera with each other too, and

797
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: now it's just like you know, more funny at home

798
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: or more funny like with each other in the setting.

799
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: What was Rachel's root date cheese. Can we talk about

800
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: that one too? Yes we can. Okay, I just have

801
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: to say I love cheese. So I was living vicariously

802
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: for this date. I was like, how was this not

803
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: freaking date? On my second they'd all be like holding

804
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: If you were the bachelotte, they'd be holding in you'd

805
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: be like eating the cheese. I would just like put

806
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: my mouth straight up to those cheese chunks. Yeah, it's

807
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: just And this is why I love when people when

808
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: the show is able to travel internationally, because you get

809
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: to see like different fun traditions from around the world.

810
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: Like the fact that people actually like hold these cheese

811
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: wheels as a competition is hilarious to me. And Ethan

812
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: was I okay, I feel like we're just starting to

813
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: see a little more of Ethan now, which, of course

814
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: he goes home at the end of the episode, but

815
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: like he was kind of killing me this episode. Like

816
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 1: I thought he was so funny. I was like, where,

817
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: I feel like he's way more of a personality than

818
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: what we've seen. He did well on that date. Yeah,

819
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: he was entertained. I was very proud of him for

820
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: making it that far. I didn't think even was going

821
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: to drop out that fast. No, I know, not to

822
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: shame even in any way, but I had my money

823
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: on him when that started. I actually want to know

824
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: how heavy, like how many pounds of cheese are we

825
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: talking that they were holding? Did they say it was? Probably?

826
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: It was probably so heavy, like I can't even imagine.

827
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: I probably I couldn't use all my strength to pick

828
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: up one of those wheels. I feel like no, but

829
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: I also would love to receive a cheese wheel as

830
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: a gift one day, for like a birthday or something.

831
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: So everyone listening, Oh, Thomas just fucked in so he

832
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: heard that. Okay, good Thomas, get her cheese with. I mean,

833
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: I will say, like both very funny, interesting group dates,

834
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: especially for the week before hometowns. I feel like usually

835
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: they're like pretty chill, like more so conversationalized dates before hometowns.

836
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: But I'm not mad about it. It made for good TV.

837
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: I feel like the one on one well, I mean

838
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: Nates obviously was short, but Zach's one on one with

839
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: Rachel was kind of that like walking through the tulip

840
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: fields and the hot of bear romantic like lots of

841
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: one on one quality time together. Whereas the group dates

842
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: were a lot more like activity based, and then we

843
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: have to see some more serious combos at night. Just

844
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: to highlight what you just said about Rachel's one on

845
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: one with Zach, that was so beautiful, Like I'm adding

846
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: that to the bucket list of biking through the tulips,

847
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: going in a hot tub in this tulip farm. It

848
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: was so beautiful. I feel the throwback to the windmill

849
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: moment from I saw that all I saw was four times.

850
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. I know, we too, It's iconic.

851
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: It truly is um But yeah, that was a lovely date. Also,

852
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,479
Speaker 1: Like I really like the fact that Zach was able

853
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: to open up a bit more about like his past

854
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: and a little bit about his mental health struggles, and

855
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: the fact that they were able to talk about therapy.

856
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: I think just spotted them so much more. We had

857
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: Zack on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, and

858
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: I really he's very enjoyable, he's very sweet, so that

859
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: their relationship, like I feel like their one on one

860
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: was just like stable and steady. Like obviously we've got

861
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: a little more serious at night with him opening up

862
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: and being vulnerable, but I feel like their relationship like

863
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: they had such a crazy intensive connection right out of

864
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: the gate from that one on one and they've just

865
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: kind of been like riding steady ever since. Oh yeah,

866
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: he I mean I said this when we had him on,

867
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: like he is I'm calling it now. I don't know spoilers,

868
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: but like he's making it to top two for short,

869
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: like he's he's like one of those guys, which also

870
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: then on the flip side, I feel like one of

871
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: Rachel's other top contenders, Tino, we see him spiraling a bit.

872
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: I will say this episode and I want to pick

873
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: your brain on how you felt about just Tino in

874
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: general and how he handled this situation, because I obviously

875
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: have my thoughts and opinions, but it was interesting. I

876
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: feel like the way he approached it and the things

877
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: he chose to say about how he was processing the

878
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: situation kind of rubbed me the wrong way. How did

879
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: you feel about it at all? I agree? I not

880
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: to Tina, if you're listening, not to laugh at this,

881
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: but I totally laughed at this. I don't know if

882
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: it was Ethan or Tyler, but someone was like, Tina's

883
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: being a baby back bitch right now, Oh yeah, And

884
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: I was like okay, but I mean a little bit,

885
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, like I get it. It is hard. And

886
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: we said, you know, the week before Hometowns is a

887
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: really intense week, so the pressures are high. And I

888
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: actually had a moment on my season where I didn't

889
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: get the group date. Rose and I had really opened up,

890
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: we had a really good connection. I was really needing

891
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: that validation that week and I struggled, like I struggled,

892
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: was not getting it. But the way Tina went about

893
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: it of like kind of picking up his wine glass

894
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: and walking out to take a moment, I was like, okay,

895
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, he needs a moment. That's okay. But then

896
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: hearing the things he was saying about how you know,

897
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: I checked every box, I said all the right things.

898
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: I hope that was just poor verbiage on his part

899
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: and he doesn't actually mean it in the way it

900
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: came across, because if he does, he does need to

901
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: be reminded that, like, it's not about saying the right things,

902
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: it's not about you know, sharing something vulnerable and expecting

903
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: a reward. Yeah, exactly. And it felt like he felt

904
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: like he did X y Z and he should get

905
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: a Rose to reward that versus feeling upset and discourage

906
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: that like he really cares about this woman and is

907
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: looking for some validation from Yeah, I think you said

908
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: it best. I think you nailed it, and I would agree.

909
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: I think it's it's not that like having strong feelings

910
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: for somebody and being invested in this relationship and being

911
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: upset that you, you know, feel kind of off after

912
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: a conversation happened is one thing like he and he

913
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: is entitled to feel however he feels like that is

914
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: valid the part that I'm sure rubbed me and maybe

915
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: other viewers a little bit off, and because he didn't

916
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: say anything bad, but it's the fact that, like you said,

917
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: he hit all the points, he won the cheese challenge,

918
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: and he opened up in a way that he felt

919
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: like he hasn't been able to open up before. That

920
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: he deserved something. And it's like, yeah, but you also

921
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: don't know these other conversations that these guys are having

922
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: with Rachel, and she's not invalidating your relationship by not

923
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: giving you this rose in this moment. Like, if anything,

924
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: she's probably on the same page as Tino and cares

925
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: just as much about him, but she also has multiple

926
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: relationships that she's working through and so it just I

927
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: like part of me and we already know, like because

928
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: we see a little bit behind the scenes, and like

929
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: we see how what she is saying about him, and

930
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: like how she feels about him. So we are privy

931
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: to a bit more than he wasn't that moment, but

932
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: like we know she cares about him just as much.

933
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: We know she's like fun only and for this man.

934
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the sense of entitlement and like

935
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: because I did x y Z, I deserve more XYZ whatever.

936
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: It's a feel. It's like him feeling that he's more

937
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: deserving than anyone else there because he was vulnerable and

938
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: he was strong at the cheese challenge, whereas it's like,

939
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: you don't know what these other conversations were, you don't

940
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: know how they went. And it doesn't necessarily mean that

941
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: she doesn't have you know, she could be madly love

942
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: Putina at this point and still potentially give someone else

943
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: a rose that week, because there are multiple connections there

944
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: and they are developing differently. But he did start to

945
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: talk about later, you know, after I think it was

946
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: in the rose ceremony, about how he was like I'm

947
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: starting to worry that like, maybe she doesn't feel the

948
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: same way. So I do feel like everything he was saying,

949
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: I hope, because I have liked him up until this point,

950
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: and I still do like him came from a place

951
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: of insecurity and like discouragement versus a place of like,

952
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: have you just been really strategic this entire time and

953
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: you're being you're feeling entitled to these roses because you have,

954
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: in your head, been strategic about what you've been saying.

955
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: So I think we'll see as it goes on. Yeah,

956
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: it's that part was very interesting to me, and I

957
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: feel like out of all of Rachel's men, I didn't

958
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: expect that from him. Hopefully next week he kind of

959
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: gets out of his head a little bit. We'll see,

960
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: because I do feel like he is a top contender.

961
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: I feel like he is like one of her. I

962
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: think he also will be top two, and this isn't

963
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: I've said this before on the podcast, So I hope

964
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: that he can kind of step out and see that

965
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: she's going through this very unique experience and can be

966
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: more supportive and like actually in it for her and

967
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: not for doing all the right things saying all the

968
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: right things. But let's get into well, I don't even

969
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: think we need to talk about the Rose ceremony. I mean,

970
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: Rachel's got her for guys, we kind of just touched

971
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: on that, and then Gabby has wait, wait, we do

972
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: have to talk about Logan, who kind of just sailed

973
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: off into the sunset with without a goodbye Logan. I

974
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: was I was shocked. I mean, it's one thing for

975
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: Jesse to come and cancel the cocktail party because somebody

976
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: has COVID. That I understand, but then I kept being like,

977
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: well did he just go home without saying where is he?

978
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 1: Like I would assume he's quarantining. I mean they would

979
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: have to have immediately isolated him. I'm assuming. Yeah, No,

980
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: I think it's like castaway where he is not on

981
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: a lone island by himself and we'll maybe see him

982
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: raft back one day in the future. Who knows, Oh

983
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: my god, with his volleyball. I'm not sure, but yeah,

984
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's just in my mind. I was like, wait,

985
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: is he Like what if gap? But but then I

986
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: was thinking like, what if this was a guy that

987
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: Gabby was super into that it's very apparently what if

988
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: it was an Eric, Like what would would they just

989
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: like sent him off and he was done. I can't imagine. Eric, Sorry,

990
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: I know we had a good connection, I think with

991
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: Logan to like the fact that he was with Rachel

992
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: for and then went over to gabby side. Like I

993
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: can imagine it would have been very difficult for Gabby

994
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: to have a connection with Logan that was as strong

995
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: with her as her connection with her other guys, because

996
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: they've just had so much more time together. So like,

997
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: even if Logan didn't unfortunately get COVID, I don't know

998
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: if he would have been making it to hometowns. I mean,

999
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: I guess we'll never know, but that would be my prediction. Yeah,

1000
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: I can't imagine, so just because of the lack of time,

1001
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: but also too if I was Gabby, I'd be like, oh,

1002
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: I only have to go to three hometowns and I

1003
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: can have an extra two days to sleep. Cool, sign

1004
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: me up, thank you. Yeah, that's where I would be.

1005
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: Let's get into your fashion picks of this season, because

1006
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: we can't have you on here and not do that.

1007
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: So I have personally missed the fashion breakdowns. You were

1008
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: such a professional a critiquing everyone, so I want you

1009
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: to I'm going to go in order. First off, can

1010
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: you give me a grandman note your favorite best rose

1011
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: ceremony look from Gabby this season? Okay, So this was

1012
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: a look that I feel like kind of went under

1013
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: the radar. Gabby's weren't a lot of really like bold black,

1014
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: navy like sequined gowns that were so striking on her,

1015
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: but this was a little bit different and same for her.

1016
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: She kind of combined. She wore a purple like a

1017
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: magenta dress, which we haven't seen her in a lot

1018
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: of color. She's definitely more of a neutral gal. And

1019
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: it had these mesh sleeves, which I feel like might

1020
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: have been hard to see on camera, and they had

1021
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: like little poofs at the end and a very like

1022
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: deep plunging neckline, which is so Gabby. She's worn so

1023
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: many dresses. She loves a deep neckline. And I just

1024
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: thought it was so fun. She had her hair and

1025
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: soft waves, is a little bit of a different look

1026
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: for her, and I just thought it was really cute,

1027
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: really playful and super chice like. The sleeves were gorgeous.

1028
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: I loved. We've seen so much like mash sheer materials lately,

1029
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: and yeah, that would be ten night dress. Okay, give

1030
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: me the best Rose ceremony look for Rachel Rachel. Okay, So,

1031
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: Rachel is a big fan of like these asymmetrical necklines.

1032
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: She's worn a lot of them this season. She's also

1033
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: a lot more into like color print, like different textures

1034
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: of fabric. Then I would say Gabby is they're both

1035
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: so cheapen on trup but it is nice because they

1036
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: have very different styles and like lean in different directions.

1037
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: And she wore I think it was literally last week,

1038
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: this asymmetrical neckline with like a little bit of a

1039
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: mash v green. It was like a gown like and

1040
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: it was so beautiful in her fit her so well,

1041
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: She's got like such beautiful curves, so like it just

1042
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: it fit her like a glove. And yeah, I was obsessed.

1043
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: I thought she looked so good. She actually she had

1044
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: a week to black dress that had meshed it too,

1045
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: that I loved. But I think the green was just

1046
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: yea so nice with like her blonde hair. I loved it.

1047
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: Popped Okay, Best date look for Gabby Okay, Gabby's best

1048
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: date look. Oh she wore You guys know, I love

1049
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: neutrals and I love a matching set and gave last

1050
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: week wore a long sleeve, little crop top that matched

1051
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: a nit skirt all black and had this really beautiful

1052
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: detailing kind of on her rib cage area of mash underneath,

1053
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: and then she paired it with these high black boots.

1054
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was just such a chic look, so simple,

1055
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: high ponytail for her group date. And we've seen a

1056
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: lot of these like high black boots lately. But I

1057
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: loved how she paired it with this outfit because it

1058
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: was like more I think it was like a nit

1059
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: ribbed material, so it just kind of like elevated it.

1060
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: I thought she looked so sexy in it. It was honest,

1061
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: sets like, I want it so much if I can

1062
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: find it, if I can find it where it is,

1063
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: I will go by that. Jerry Fetman dropped the deeds.

1064
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: Where did you get that outfit? Sobviously, yeah, I'll ask it.

1065
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll text me after this to see. Thanks. Okay,

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00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: the best date looked Rachel. Rachel has worn two date

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00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: looks that were kind of similar, and both of them,

1068
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: like were amazing on her. So the first group date

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00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: that they had, the pageant one, she wore this. I

1070
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: don't know if it was real leather of faux leather,

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00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: but like a leather looking button up dress had a

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00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: cinch tie at the waist. It was in this like

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00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: cream beige color, and Rachel loves like a chunky heel.

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00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: She's always wearing these like big almost like seventies vibe

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00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: chunky heels and gold jewelry. And I don't know it,

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00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't something that I was like wow when

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00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: I saw her in it, but it's like stuck with

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00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: me through the season, Like it was like a very

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00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: memorable sheet look that she wore. And on her date

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00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: with Avn she wore something similar where it was like

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00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: a long sleeve button up like leather, looking more of

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00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: a brown dress. The cream one has to be the

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00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: winner though, so good on her okay, And then is

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00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: there any look from either Gabby or Rachel not giving

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00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: the credit that it deserves. I mean, there's so many

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00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: They've had an amazing season. This has been some of

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00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: my favorite fashion I've seen in a while on this show.

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00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: I mean, everything has been so gorgeous, and I think

1089
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: it's really fun to watch because their two bacherettes with

1090
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: gray style but different style, and I think it just

1091
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: really enhances, like their individuality and their individual personalities. But

1092
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: I did see online when I was like looking through

1093
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: photos and stuff trying to pick outfits for this there

1094
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: was a little bit of criticism towards a dress that

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00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: Rachel wore that I was like, I thought this was

1096
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: amazing on her, so I'm going to give it a

1097
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: shout out. It was a little black dress and it

1098
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: was a huge like flower that was on one side

1099
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: another like asymmetrical look, and it was a tight little

1100
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: black body con and I thought it was so fun.

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00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: I thought she looked great in it. Again, like played

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00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: into her asymmetrical kind of theme. And Gabby that episode,

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00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: I believe, were like a strapless, very tight, mini metallic dress.

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00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: So they just looked so good together. Like I was like,

1105
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: these photos are amazing, and yeah, that was a look

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00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: that really stood out to me. It was just a

1107
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: very bold pattern. Okay, now switching to the guys, it's

1108
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: more fun to talk about the women's fashion. But who

1109
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: out of this bunch of men is the best dressed

1110
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: guy from this season? This is a harder one, at

1111
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: least for me being a woman. I feel like I'm

1112
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: so drawn to the woman's fashion, and I mean Jesse

1113
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: Palmer obviously knocks out of the park every episode because

1114
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: he has professionally style. Yeah, he has a little bit

1115
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: of an advantage, but you know what, I was looking

1116
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: through photos and Johnny actually has great fashion. He has

1117
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: played around with like turtlenecks and chains and like cool sneakers.

1118
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: He had like a really great jacket on his one

1119
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: on one day. He's definitely he's rocking like some tapered

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00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: slim fit dress pants. Like he's in. He's in with

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00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: the fashion. He knows the trends and I love to

1122
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: see it. I also, he just totally won me over

1123
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: on their one on one day. Oh yeah, we're obsessed

1124
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: with Johnny in this apartment. I think he's so funny.

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00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of Johnny and kind of like what

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00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: you said. I feel like the men's style is much

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00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 1: more unassuming, and maybe it's because we're women we don't

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00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: pay attention as much. But he's a guy that I

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00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: feel it can rock really anything, and like he even

1130
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: though he says we had him on the podcast, he's like,

1131
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: I'm not that confident. He uses confidence and can rock

1132
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: anything without being like too bold or over the top. Yes,

1133
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: he's got a very like simple classic style, but he

1134
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: always looks really cool and put together. You know what's interesting. Actually,

1135
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: I feel like he used to be on the Bachelorette.

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00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: At Rose ceremonies, you would always see the guys in

1137
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: a suit and like a button up shirt and a tie.

1138
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's gotten more casual, definite miliars

1139
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: this season. We've seen people in literal like white tshirts

1140
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: or white lung sleeves with their suit on top and

1141
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: like a chain, like sneakers. Like the guys are really

1142
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: kind of it's very fashioned forward, but like definitely dressing

1143
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: down for these Rose ceremonies more than we've seen in

1144
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: the past. Oh yeah, I feel like even within recent seasons,

1145
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: and maybe it's just sticking out more like I want

1146
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: to say, starting with Clarentatious season, where the men casual

1147
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: up more. But they'll but they'll accessorize differently and more fun,

1148
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: Like they'll do brooches or like you said, the necklaces

1149
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: or like earrings and something that we've never quite seen

1150
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, it's not you know what, I

1151
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: feel like that's so reflective of just like fashion in general,

1152
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: because I really do feel like post COVID fashion has

1153
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: become like like more casual. Looks have become more trendy.

1154
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: Like we're seeing like sweatsuits and people wearing like cool

1155
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: joggers with booties and heels, and like everyone just wants

1156
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: to become fee all the time now, which I am

1157
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: all for that and I like it. I think it's

1158
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: like different. I think the show fashion is like very

1159
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: reflective of like the fashion. And oh I agree. Also,

1160
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: now that you say that, I just have to say,

1161
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: fuck jeans. I hate wearing cheese these days. COVID has

1162
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: ruined me. All. I want to wear our sweatpants or

1163
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: something comfortable. Never again, jeans. I'm the same, I'm the same,

1164
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: But you always look so good. I always look like

1165
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: a slap kebab. But it's like I'm ready to work out.

1166
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm always like ready to go to the gym, even

1167
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: though when I don't go to the gym. Um, Okay, Serena,

1168
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: it has been so much fun having you here. You

1169
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: know the drill vow with every person we have on

1170
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: we obviously do the rose and thorn. So for just

1171
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: this week's episode, give me your rose and your thorne. Okay,

1172
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: So for this episode, my Rose was learning about the

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00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: tulip Field and Amsterdam. The fact that it only blooms

1174
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: two weeks a year. I never would have known that existed,

1175
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: And it was just so gorgeous to see and just

1176
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: such a romantic date idea, like if those two are

1177
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: really like falling in love, it was so beautifully esthetic

1178
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: to watch them like walking through this tulipfield and being

1179
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,479
Speaker 1: in the hot tub. Was very jealous of that date

1180
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: and my thorn is going to have to be not

1181
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: getting to watch logan sail away and a life blow

1182
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: off the cruise ship State of the Sunset. Well, who knows,

1183
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: maybe he didn't make it back to the States. Maybe

1184
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: he made it to Mexico. We aren't, Serena. It has

1185
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: been so much fun to having you back with me.

1186
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: My mom is going to be thrilled because she absolutely

1187
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: loves you. Thank you for popping on and you know

1188
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: I've said this before the last time you're with me,

1189
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: but you are welcome back anytime. Oh, thank you, thank

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01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: you so much for having me. I'm miss being here

1191
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 1: with you and chatting. So it was so much fun

1192
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: to be back. And hopefully Michelle is feeling better next week.

1193
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: Yes bye, thank you, Butcher. Happy Hour listeners, and a

1194
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: huge thank you to Serena. I always love having her

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01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: here and everyone. Don't forget that you can catch all

1196
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: new episodes of The Bachelor at every Monday on ABC

1197
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,120
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01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,560
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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or the Wondering app. Thanks everyone, and chat

1205
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: with y'all next week. Cheers