1 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: This is SWBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk to broadcasting live 2 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: Brought to you by Geico fifteen minutes could save you 4 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: fifteen percent or more on car insurance and by SWBC 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: Mortgage customized solutions to help you meet your personal and 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: business goals. Visit SWBC dot com. Now your host, Shannon Gross, 7 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, and have we got a show 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: to close out the season for you. But before we 9 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: get to introductions, I would like to give out a 10 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: very big, heartfelt I am sorry apology to all of America, 11 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: at least to DFW, at least to the one oh 12 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: five three fan the listeners that have tuned in into 13 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: this time slot to hear the nosebleed seats Zach and Eric, 14 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: I apologize. I lied last week. Our sponsorship department made 15 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: a liar out of me. They told me that last 16 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: week was the last time we would do this show 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: for the season. And here we are another episode of 18 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: cross Talk. So Zach, Eric, we will get out of 19 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: your way. This will be absolutely the last episode of 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: cross Talk because you know why, because the Dallas Cowboys 21 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: couldn't do what they were supposed to do to keep 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: us on the air for another week. And we will 23 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: get to that in a minute, but first I would 24 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: like to make the introductions. I am Shannon Gross. I 25 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: will be driving the ship tonight. I have one job, 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: and that's to get in and out of breaks some time. 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: Because everyone on this show has a plethora of information, 28 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: we will start with introductions to my right in studio, 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: and if you know anything about the Dallas Cowboys, you 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: know this man has been a staple around here for 31 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: eighty something years. Mickey Spagna. Micky, how long have you 32 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: been around the Cowboys? Thirty six years? Thirty six years? 33 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: All right? Not I beat the next guy? You did 34 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: to the team before he got it. Let's save him 35 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: for last. Let's go to the other guy that's not 36 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: in student. I think Chris beat me. Probably, Chris probably 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: beat you. Two one oh five three The Fan Studios, 38 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: Texas Radio Hall of Famer Chris Arnold, Welcome to the show. Chris, 39 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: how are you great? Glad to be back and always 40 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: good to hang out with Mickey and Shannon and Nate. 41 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: You guys, I'm a boys, and yeah I did beat Mickey. 42 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: I've been covering the Cowboys for forty years, this nineteen 43 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: eighty the Prince, and then and then to my left, 44 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: to my left, we have someone that sometimes he's my 45 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: co host on this show. Sometimes he's our special guest. 46 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: And this is such an important show we needed to 47 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: bring an insider in. He's inside the building. He has 48 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: connections within the Cowboys. He knows what he's talking about. 49 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: He's probably more connected than any former player when it 50 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: comes to things that happened and not well. Please welcome 51 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: to the show, Dawn Nate. Welcome to the show, Nate. 52 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: How long have you been involved with the Cowboys organization? 53 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: Do we have over a hundred years of experience? When 54 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: I came in eighty six, Yes, yeah, I came in 55 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: eighty six. Let me by storm, the fattest man in America, 56 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: showed up the kids. We're all baddest body. Let me 57 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: do the math for you. That's thirty four years, thirty four. 58 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: All I know is this is Luther, that's Prince, and 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: this is Michael. Where's Chris fitting that he's praying me. 60 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: He's left me out. So you can be Michael Buffer, 61 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: you can be Dunk and near this, you can be 62 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: anybody you want to go. Okay, I'm gonna be the 63 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: guy that tells you to pull your mic up, So 64 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: bring your up, Nate. All right, let's get started, Chris, 65 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: Let's start with you, man. Disappointing season, typical Cowboys football. 66 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: Gave us a little bit of hope right there at 67 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: the end, sucked us in. Let us all believe you know, 68 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: on our show on Hanging with the Boys on Dallas 69 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com, we all bought in. We all thought 70 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: they were gonna win. We we thought Washington would win 71 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: the evening game. But we thought the Cowboys were gonna 72 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: win it. And they just came out flat like they 73 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: have so many times. Couldn't get it going on offense, 74 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: couldn't really do anything until the second half. What's your 75 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: take on the game? We'll get to the season later. 76 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: How did you how did you? How did you walk 77 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: out of that game watching it at three o'clock feeling 78 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: I felt like they gave it away early because I 79 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: think they were a little bit too conservative. I don't 80 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: know what the deal was, but in the first half, 81 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: let's let's even talked about they didn't create any turnovers, 82 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: they didn't force any takeaways. Uh, they were settling for 83 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: field goals. It seemed like earlier in the season the 84 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: coach staff was a little bit more free willing. They 85 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: were taking more chances. Actually they were gambling a little 86 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: bit too much sometimes, But in this game, oh oh no, 87 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: they were ultra conservative. Wouldn't go for two points? Wouldn't 88 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, challenge that that Pettis touchdown or said that 89 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: Pets catch that wasn't to catch. Put it like this. 90 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: I'll put it like this, and I'm not gonna dog 91 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy because I actually liked the guy a little bit. 92 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: But there was a guy that texted it was a 93 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: Cowboy fan to texting. We were doing the post post 94 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: game show, and he had the best text. It could 95 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: have been viral if it was on Twitter. He said, Hey, 96 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: he says, So he won't challenge the Pentice car. He said, 97 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: he challenged the Deaz catch. He screwed the Cowboys twice. Now, 98 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, Mickey, I know you've got some thoughts. Don't 99 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: give them all at once. Just what would have been worse. 100 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: You lose the game, or you'll win the game, and 101 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: then Washington and wins anyway, and it doesn't matter, right, 102 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: So if they had won the game and had to 103 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: sit through that Washington Philadelphia debacle. Maybe one of the 104 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: worst football games I think I've ever seen for a 105 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: team that's gonna win the division. I would have I 106 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: would have. I would I would have thrown if a 107 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: statue through the TV set if I was them, there's 108 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: no way and how about and we can get to this. 109 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: See what Joe Judge had to say today, No, I didn't. 110 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: He said Doug Peterson should be ashamed of himself for 111 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: not trying to win that game. Yeah, he puts in 112 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: the third string quarterback on a one score game in 113 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: the fourth quard. So what would have been worse? You 114 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: finished seven and nine and then you still don't go 115 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. So that's how I felt. I think 116 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: at about ten thirty at night, Nate, I think I 117 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: know how I think I know your answer? Which one's worse? 118 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: You would have liked to see him win the last game? 119 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm all about winning all the time. The worst thing 120 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: for me that you know, these players had worked hard, 121 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: and my biggest fear was that our offensive line has 122 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: played fairly well the last three or four games. And 123 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: my biggest fear was New York had played better competition 124 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: than us, you know, and they were playing on a 125 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: higher level even though they lost, and we were getting 126 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: by pretty bad teams. And we talked about that on 127 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: our show, and I was fearful that Little William and 128 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: those guys and the Blake martinezs of the world would 129 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: come in and have a nice game. And they had 130 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: a nice game, and so but I winning. That's that's 131 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: the only thing that I know. That's the only thing 132 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: that I want. And I don't care about Washington, I 133 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: don't care about Philadelphia. I came about to Dallas Cowboys 134 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: trying to always put their best foot forward. Mick, was 135 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 1: there a bright spot for you in the game? Uh? Well, said, 136 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: I got one. I actually got one. The punter, No, no, 137 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: the kicker. Dalton Schultz was again a very good tight end. Yep. 138 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: He's to have been the surprise of the entire season 139 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: to me, because I'm serious, I'm just like everybody else. 140 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: I thought all he could do was block, and I thought, when, uh, 141 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: when Blake Jarwin went down, oh, oh, they're gonna have 142 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: to make a trade. They're gonna to find somebody to 143 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: add some tight end depth. But lo and behold, Dalton 144 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: Schiltz got hands and he can make plays and he 145 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: I thought he had a really nice game in spite 146 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: of the fact that they lost. Yeah. Ten ten targets, 147 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: seven catches. I mean, when you look at the stat sheet, 148 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: the thing that jumps out is your kicker did really good, 149 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: Your punter did really good. You're you're tight end more 150 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: targets and receptions than your three receivers that can be 151 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: number one on any other time. You know, was directly 152 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: linked to the offensive line play and your quarterback wasn't 153 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: sharp in the first half and he had more rushing 154 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: yards than you're than you're running back. Yeah, and I'm 155 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: saying how come you know? And I'm gonna say that 156 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: runs you know, And I've been saying this for years. 157 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: If you draft a guy, especially a defensive guy, and 158 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: he shows any type of ability, you have to give 159 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: him an opportunity. Donovan Wilson, Yeah, buddy, where why you know? 160 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: And there's no logical reason. You you as a coach, 161 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: you can't give me a logical reason why he hasn't played. Now, 162 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: maybe coach McCarthy and Mike Nolan can, but that last 163 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: group that left out of here, you can't give me 164 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: that reason because the defense was even simpler. It was 165 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: even more simpler. So, uh, that was a bright spot. 166 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: Duniman Wilson Gallimore. I'm so glad he got a chance 167 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 1: to play. You've been, you've been. You've been on that 168 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: train since the beginning of the year. Once I realized, 169 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: and I thought, I old Mickey on apology because I 170 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: told people I can't wait down to the season. So 171 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: men Ontario focus, split the Volk chops fried Folk chops him, 172 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: and Mickey pulled me to the side, not once, about 173 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: four or five times. This dude can't play man, and Nate, 174 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: all he did was play petty kick, yes, man, you 175 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: know what, and at my point on him, and they 176 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: wasted a lot of snaps on that guy. Is you 177 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: were supposed to kneel during the national anthem, not during 178 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: sixty minutes of the game. That's a good one. Mix 179 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: a democrat too, so don't don't he's a democrat. Don't 180 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: don't go tack me. And then the other thing they 181 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: did in training camp is they wasted all those training 182 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: camp snaps on the hog hog Clinton dicks exactly, and 183 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: they finally got smart there. Yeah, Nate, any bright spot 184 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: for you I know, oh Man, Tom Dunovan, Wilson, Gallimore. 185 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: I was glad to see that Antwine Woods found his way. 186 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: I was glad to see that Tyroom Crawford sat to 187 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: get a grip. Okay, Tank, Uh, he started to find himself. 188 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: And so can I see something about take real quick? Yes, sir, 189 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: go ahead on Man. I got an answer for all 190 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: the Tank critics out there that count his sacks right there. 191 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: He he didn't have a good season. He didn't have 192 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: a double jug sacks. He would have more sacks if 193 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: the Cowboys had a better run defense. If you were 194 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator and you're double team in tank every game, 195 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: why would you stop running the ball If the Cowboys 196 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: defense is given up thrown? In other words, the quarterbacks 197 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: aren't passing that much against the Cowboys. If they were 198 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: in you know, passing downs, then take might have more sacks. 199 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: As the great teams always say, earned the right to 200 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: rush the pass and when used to be what they're 201 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: simply saying is stop the run. So it's amazing, I 202 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: see a lot of bright spots. Uh. And offensively, Man, 203 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: I was selling Shannon, if we could just keep everybody 204 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: on offense, just keep everybody on offense, we got the 205 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: most depth in any offensive line. Next year we're gonna 206 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: have the most depth at tight end than anybody. Next 207 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: year we have the best wide receiving courts because I 208 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: still don't think anybody can stop those guys. I think 209 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: yesterday they're to let them guys up. If Dalton would 210 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: have been sharper in our offensive line would have played better. 211 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: I still believe in Zeke. You know what Tony Parler 212 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: can do as a pass catch coming out of it. 213 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: So if we could just lead the offensive loan and please, 214 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear where you know we're not 215 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: players in free agency? And fine, Yes, the biggest greasiest 216 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: in shape one technique, Yeah, in shape one technique. You know, 217 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm even worried about in Shape because I think that's 218 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: given him an excuse he just didn't want to play. 219 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, But let's lease had the next 220 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: big fat, greasy shot slapping dude in shape. You saw 221 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: what happened to all these big guys in free agent. 222 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: Everybody wanted right. The other guy was Snack Harrison. He 223 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: finally got released. He asked, didn't Yeah, who is he 224 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: gonna move on to? I don't know. He's probably sitting 225 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: at home right now. I just believe this right here. 226 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: Be careful of the names. You're one or two guys away, 227 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: and Chris and I want to ask you all this man. 228 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: And I asked this when I showed the day Shannon. 229 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: Are we and think about it? Are we four and 230 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: five players away on defense? And I'm not talking about 231 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: having a great defense. If we had a defense that 232 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: can continue to get turnovers and that can get teams 233 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: off the field more like Casey does. Kansas City defense 234 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: is not great, but they they offense play such a 235 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: big integral part in what they do today. If they 236 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: just do anything right, it's scores on the other end. 237 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: So how far away are we? Think about it? Think 238 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: about it, Let's take a break, put some thought into it. Yeah, 239 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: Chris will go to you first when we come back, 240 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: because he is. And we're gonna see if we can 241 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: cheer Mickey up a little bit. He's upset, he's upset, 242 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are out, his football season is over. We're 243 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: gonna see if we can cheer Mickey up. Tune in 244 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: to see how we do that. We will be back. 245 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: You're listening to Cowboys Cross Town but the Dallas Cowboys 246 00:14:46,520 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: Radio Network. Back to SWBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk about 247 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star 248 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: in Frisco. Welcome back to the show, Shannon Gross alongside 249 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Nate Newton, Mickey Spagnola, and coming live from one of 250 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: five three defan studios. Chris Arnold got you down? And Chris, 251 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: did you know that the s WBC they have customized 252 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: solutions for individuals and businesses and they're just a click away. Wow? Yes, Chris, 253 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: not right now, but after the show, visit SWBC dot 254 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: com to learn more and you can start your next adventure. 255 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: Nate did it last week on the show. Wait till 256 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: after the show, be respectful, But Jick, go check it out. 257 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: I sure will. We tried to cheer Mickey up during 258 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: the break. I don't think it worked, so we'll try 259 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: again in the next break. He's still he got a 260 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: little smile out of him, but he's still grumpy. Mickey. 261 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: But Nate had a question before we went to break, 262 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: So ask that question again, Nate, because now we've all 263 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: had time to think about it. I believe that our 264 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: offense can be so great, especially if the coordinator can 265 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: get in tune with trying to control games like he 266 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: did before this New York. He was doing a great job. 267 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: I think of controlling games and sitting tempo. But my 268 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: question is how far away is our defense because if 269 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: if you, I think, if you get the right players 270 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: that care about stopping the run, I think this thing 271 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: could change. But maybe I'm a little optimistic. Is it 272 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: a one year deal or two year fix. I'm just 273 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, in the win with it now. I think 274 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: you're right, and I think the offense is set. I 275 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: think you know, everybody gave the Cowboys an A or 276 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: an a minus on the draft last last last spring, 277 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: especially when they grabbed Cdee Lamb. Remember that was the 278 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: game play the game player was to go defense. Yeah, 279 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: but you cannot pass that guy by, and I'm so 280 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: glad they got him. At the same time, they still 281 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: have to fix the defense. I thought the offense last season, 282 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: if all of them were healthy, if if Lyle Collins 283 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: were healthy, if Zach Martin were healthy, if Tyrn Smith 284 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: were healthy, if Dak Prescott was healthy, that the offense 285 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: would carry the de Well, the offense was injured and 286 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: so they could not carry a raggedy defense that was 287 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: switching their style of play in the middle of a pandemic. 288 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: I think they learned how to play that different defense, 289 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: you know, right after Thanksgiving, because it started jelling and 290 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: you started seeing some young guys like you, said Donovan Wilson, 291 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: those guys showing up, and he said, Okay, this year 292 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: when we draft, we don't have to get a bunch 293 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: of safeties. We got one good for sure, we'll get 294 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: some more. I don't like the Cowboys philosophy of not 295 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: paying this one position group, the secondary. They don't pay 296 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: them anymore. They Brandon Carr's last one to get paid, 297 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: so they always draft the secondary. I don't like that. 298 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: You should have kept Byron Jones before he became a 299 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: free agent, should have made some kind of deal with him. 300 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: But they don't believe in that. So I think they're 301 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: gonna lose some of the secondary again this year, and 302 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to draft well in the secondary. But Nate, 303 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: you nailed it earlier. Give me a big butt run 304 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: stuffing one technique in the middle. I don't care how 305 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: you find him. And by the way, I don't also 306 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: like the philosophy now they used to throw the they 307 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: used to money with all these free agents, you know, 308 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: in the free agency. Now they just wait, They just 309 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: kind of sit back and look for bargains. I don't 310 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: like the fact that they're idole the first week or 311 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: free agency. Get you a guy that you know you 312 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: can pay, you can always, I mean, you can do 313 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: that if you're smart about it. I think they're gonna 314 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: have some help with that inside and that interior defensive line, 315 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: because Mickey, you probably know this better than anybody. Shannon, 316 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: you might know this well. I think they're gonna try 317 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: to bring back Gerald McCoy, which I'm in favor of. Now. 318 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: He's not a D one. I mean he's not a 319 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: one technique, but he's definitely a leader on the defensive line. 320 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: He plays the medal. So I think you're right. Three 321 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: or four players away, I think your special teams are 322 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: much better, and I think the offense leave it alone. 323 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: Though I would not worry about anything about the offense, 324 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: focus on the defense that actually spend some money. They 325 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: should have. They should have figured out how to get 326 00:21:54,280 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams here. They didn't do it. So who's the 327 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: backup offensive tackle we got him? Who the guy that 328 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: nobody liked still or either yeah still, and then we 329 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: got o God. Now now we got all worlds Zach 330 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: Martin that can do gold of God save us. I 331 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: mean what what look what killed him this year? Nate? 332 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: They didn't have this backup quality to handle the injuries 333 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: in the league has backup? How about just one? What 334 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: what desides our offensive line? And I'm gonna keep preaching this. 335 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: What the size of offensive line is? Coach Philbin has 336 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: not a hell of a job, that is what the 337 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: size offensive line? Still? Virtually? Okay, we didn't play against 338 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: some great defense. Granted we didn't, but the guy held 339 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: his own. Yeah, the last month earlier on he was 340 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: people killed. Did you guys watch the game yesterday? Yeah? 341 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: He beat up yesterday. Yes, everybody on the office, the 342 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: line got beat up, Yes, everybody. So I'm having if 343 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: if we don't know you know what I just what 344 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: what we're saying is we have great depth. Still can 345 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: feel in for a game or two Zack Markins swing out. Now, 346 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: we got a right guard. We we got Lio coming back. Now, 347 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: if you're telling me that none of these guys are 348 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: coming back, well guess what may get rid of for 349 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: another four and whatever? Another if none of these guys 350 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: are coming back and gonna stay healthy, So now we 351 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: might as well just you know what, hey, fellas that 352 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: just started drafting our offense. But you gotta believe that 353 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: some of these guys are gonna stay healthy. And if 354 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: and if our office a defensive, if our office, if 355 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: cording that in officer line coach cannot scheme around one 356 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: backup guy. Yeah, oh no, I understand because he was 357 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: having the scheme over for backup, so and one guy 358 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: was the backup to the backup. If I'm gonna tell you, 359 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: we're looking at a different deal. Even if Saint Zach 360 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: Martin when the guy hurt, We're looking at a totally 361 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: different Xactly, that's one guy. Okay, let's say yeah, yeah, 362 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: let's say if I ain't talking about the level tackle, 363 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: don't even have to show up when you when I 364 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: am a proven fact that through hard work, dedication, film study, 365 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: and working together that you can be a good office line. 366 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: And then this today's NFL, the way they spread things out, 367 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: the way they can control things, you have a chance. 368 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: The problem with the Dallas Cowboys for the last ten 369 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: years has been defense, defense, defense, And you don't need 370 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: a great defense. You just need players that are willing 371 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: to be in their gaps. If you get me fifteen 372 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: Blake Martinez, this, I'm in business. I'm in business. We don't. 373 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: We didn't have not one Blake Martinez this year until 374 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: my man Donovan Wilson showed up. You didn't like Randy Gregory. Okay, y'all, 375 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: I love Randy Gregory, but I'm gonna tell you something. 376 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: He got some demons. Yeah, the NFL has released a 377 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: few of those demons by not by by relaxing a 378 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: couple of policies. But this, this all season is big 379 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: for Randy Gregory. If Randy Gregory can make it back. 380 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: I talked to his father when he first came to 381 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: the league, say, nature, you've always said great things about 382 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: my son because I hated the league because of how 383 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 1: they did this kid. They knew he had a mental 384 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: prode they knew, and they treated him bad. Okay, now 385 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: this and okay, Gregory, We're not gonna treat you bad, 386 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: but don't take this to the next level. So now 387 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: we got to hope that Randy can say, Okay, I'm here, 388 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm back. I'm not gonna take this to the next level. 389 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: The league is working with us for a change. So 390 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: I like what Randy Gregory has done. But just like 391 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: Alden Smith, you want him back if you want him back. 392 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no, I want Randy Gregory back. Can't 393 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: you get Well, he's back and I won't uh uh 394 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: tak Lawrence back. I want Gallimore back, all right? So 395 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: you just need one guy. I need one guy, okay, yeah, 396 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: and then you know everybody, everybody, everybody picks on the secondary. 397 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: It seems like I don't. But the problem is the 398 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: front seven. That's the problem because when you give up 399 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: that many rushing yards, they were, like I think I 400 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: figured out it was less than seventy yards away from 401 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: setting the franchise high for most yards rushing by an opponent. 402 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: And that's problem was when I when I played, we 403 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: gave it up when it was twenty ten. It was 404 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: after we were bad. So to me, yeah, a stud 405 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: in the middle, you need, you need some more linebackers, 406 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: if if he'll ever play more than two linebackers, because 407 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm tired of seeing nickel defense against two tight end offense. 408 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: Did you see what Jason Garrett did to that nickel 409 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: defense with his two tight end offense? Sometimes three two. Right, 410 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: So if you can't stop the run, the secondary is 411 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: insignificant unless you're gonna get a guy that you're gonna 412 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: play in the nickel as a linebacker. Because did you 413 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: see the one play you see? Do you see? Did 414 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: you see did you see the one play where they 415 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: had poor uh Woods, Xavier Woods playing linebacker and that 416 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: guard pulled, Yeah, knock to live in daylights out of him? Well, 417 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: give me somebody. It's two hundred and fifty pounds playing there. 418 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: By the way, is Tyrone Crawford retiring Mick his contract 419 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: I think is up. That's the end of that. So 420 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: I think he's gone. So I so, you know, it 421 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: depends on um. You know, he's been through a lot 422 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: exactly that hip surgery and whole nine two hip surgery, 423 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: and he had he had contemplated that this was it, 424 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: and then after he felt better after the dual hip surgery, 425 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I think I'll come back. I'm gonna 426 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: take like this here. I can't do enough to say it. 427 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out I'm not as intelligent 428 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: as yall. You know, I graduated from Jones High School. 429 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: Hang on, Nate, you know what? Yeah, hang on to 430 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: give you time to figure out all. I have one 431 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: job tonight. Let me do my job. You got to 432 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: get out on time, keep this thing on schedule. Think 433 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: about how to say this, Nate, I got a pin 434 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: if you want to write it down and make sure 435 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: it comes out right, or I can help you in 436 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: the break and we can we can formulate it. I 437 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: have a question after after Nate has his question, I 438 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: have question that if they do bring the right players 439 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: in here on defense, I still have a concern talked 440 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: about today on our show. Mick, you're in the building. 441 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: You've been in the building a long time. Chris, You've 442 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: been around a long time. Nate, I want you to 443 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: shine in. I want to know. I'll tell you what 444 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: I want to know when we come back. Yes, you're 445 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: listening to the Cowboys Cross Talks on the Dallas Cowboys 446 00:29:21,840 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: Radio Networks to SWBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk broadcasting live 447 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 448 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: In Frisco, Welcome back, and once again I apologize to 449 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: those guys Zach and Eric with the nosebleed seats. We 450 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: are well over halfway through with our program, so you 451 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: guys will turn it over to you right after this. 452 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: I apologize for invading your space. This is the last 453 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: they cool big news there. They might think this is 454 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: so good, they'll just give us another hour. Leader Well, 455 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: you know what, because Nate has a question. But before 456 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: we do that, I want to hear let's catch everybody 457 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: back up to who's on the show today. Chris Arnold 458 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: five from one oh five three, the fan Mickey Spagnola 459 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: to my right in studio at Little Star and right 460 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: across from me is our co host and our special 461 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: alumni player this week, mister Nate. N There we go, 462 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: and Nate just really eloquently broke it down on who 463 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: all the talent is. So he's he's the guest. He 464 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: is the guest, but he's asking all the questions. That's fine, 465 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: That's the way I run it. It's easier on me. 466 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: I just get us in and out of breaks and 467 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: the Nate host the show. But he has a great question. 468 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: But do you go to your question first? No, No, 469 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: I want to hear your Okay, I'll know thembout it. 470 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: I agree with what was said about the offense. I 471 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: think your number one priority this offseason. Signed for signed for, 472 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: signed for, signed for, Okay, I think you have the 473 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: other tools in place. I'm not making excuses because the 474 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: nature of the NFL is there are injuries and every 475 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: team deals with them. Your whole offensive line got wiped 476 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: out this year, and you have three really good to 477 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: great players that were on that offensive line, and Lyle 478 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: Tyrn and Zach that did not hit the field. Zach 479 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: injured during the wide receiving corps, tight end. You went 480 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: through the whole thing. Running backs, You're good. I'm with you. Nate, 481 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: you gotta get some defensive players. I'm okay if you 482 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: go draft everything defense. Let's get the defense built up. 483 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: Let's get it caught up. My question to you, Micky, 484 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: I want to go to you first. Chris, I want 485 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: to hear from you next, and then Nate. You can 486 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: you can be the Caboose. My worry is Mick, and 487 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: you've been around here for a long time. If you 488 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: bring in the right players, this franchise has has not 489 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: had winning ways in a long time. You have a 490 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: winning season here there. You have eight and eight seasons 491 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: here there. It's only their second losing season since twenty ten. 492 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 1: By the way, that's a great stat it's a great stat. Now, 493 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: there was a lot of eight and eight. There's a 494 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: lot of nights in there. There's a lot of almost 495 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: playoffs in there too. There's a lot to tack onto 496 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: what Mickey saying, did you know the deck Prescott has 497 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: not had a losing record with the with the Cowboys. 498 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: That's another great stat A lot of yeah, okay, just 499 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: one you you what's the question? You bring the right 500 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: you bring the right players in what drafting? Either way? 501 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: Because they don't have any money in free agency, free 502 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: agency or draftings. This just say, you get the right 503 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: right pieces in here? All right? Is the is the 504 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: You hear a lot about the culture. Are the right 505 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: guys in this building that you can change the eight 506 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: and eight ways and the and the one and done's 507 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: in the playoffs? Do you have enough guys? What I'm 508 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: worried about is I think there's some guys on this 509 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: team that want to wear the T shirt that says 510 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: best mode to the gym, but they want to go 511 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: get on the elliptical for fifteen minutes and they don't 512 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: want to go lift thes. They don't want to do 513 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: the work they want to They want the Instagram photo, 514 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: but they don't want everything that goes along with it. 515 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: I think there's some guys here that they don't eat, sleep, live, 516 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: die football. And I just want to know from your opinion, 517 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: Mick is, can you change the culture around here with 518 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: the pieces that will have to okay here? Okay? So 519 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: was there anything wrong with the culture during the three 520 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: game winning streak? I think so, yes, yes, okay. I 521 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: think it's a bigger picture. But they won, right, So 522 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: I know you don't want to name names, and I'm 523 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, who we might be 524 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: talking about with this culture, and I don't know how 525 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: the culture on the offensive side is okay, in the 526 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: culture on the defensive side is not okay. So to me, 527 00:36:54,640 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: culture it just seems like an excuse for number one 528 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: not playing well and number two not scheming the defense. Well, okay, Chris, 529 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: do you have an opinion on yes. I said last 530 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: year on the air that I think in Frisco up 531 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: there at the Star, there are several guys in that 532 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: locker room suffering from affluenza where they felt like, Okay, 533 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: I got drafted by the Cowboys, or I'm a cowboy 534 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: now I got a star on my helmet. I have 535 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: arrived as if they have won the super Bowl. Now, 536 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: not the entire locker room, but there's a few guys 537 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: in there. There was like, wait a minute, you haven't 538 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: won anything yet. Michael Ever said the other day, it's like, 539 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: you can win the division, but that don't mean you're 540 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: a champion of anything. You're a champion if you won 541 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: a super Bowl. Don't say you're the champion of the 542 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: NFC East. That don't mean anything. So I got that 543 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: same mentality. I think there's some guys that just need 544 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: to have a fear of loss, and maybe this season 545 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: showed them up, because anybody can be great when times 546 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: are great. During at you know, when you're going through 547 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: some adversarial situations, you know, adversity. That's what I'm just 548 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: gonna find out their character. Um, and I don't really 549 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: know because the season, you know, I wouldn't around the 550 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: locker rooms because because of the pandemic, so I can't 551 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: point out who got exposed, who learned their lesson. But 552 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: there has to be a fear of loss because in 553 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: today's world, especially today's world of Instagram, where Generation Z 554 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: it's all about you know, the look and what social 555 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: media says about you. No, it's about winning that Super 556 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: Bowl ring. And I don't know if all of them 557 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: feel the same way. Mick, I guess, I guess what. 558 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: I'm my whole you see here. Here's one thing that 559 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: happens here. Though, when you say some guys, you just 560 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: indicted twenty five guys on the defense, I didn't say defense. 561 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: It could be all of them. It could be any 562 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: song of the ball. The offense was pretty darn good 563 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: start of the season, but that has nothing to do 564 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: with accountability. So Tyron Smith, you think he's accountable, yes, 565 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: Zack Martin yes, Dak Prescott yes, and see I think 566 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: that's Ezekiel Elliot, that's yes. That's my point three wide receivers. 567 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: I think I just want to see him. I want 568 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: to see some passion, and I want it to be 569 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: the entire team. I think you have that from certain guys, 570 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: but I don't think the whole team is bought into. 571 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: I want to see him get mad, you lose. I 572 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: want to see you be pissed off. I don't want 573 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: you to be happy. And you know what, nothing happened, 574 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 1: you live it. Tell him. I answer you a question 575 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: because I was one of those guys that was so 576 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: so before coach Johnason got here. You know, I say this, 577 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: if you have the talent and I can't get the 578 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: talent out of you, you you I can't use you. 579 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: But in today's society and in the Sarah cap world, 580 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: a lot of times, ownership and would lock themselves in 581 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: with guys because they know that these guys have that 582 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: passion for the game. And it's a few guys that 583 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: through their lack of through the lack of passion, they 584 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,479 Speaker 1: not have not played up to their potential. Potential only 585 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: works in college. I think it's about performance and the pros. 586 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: And you've had a few guys this year. Their performance 587 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: is not there, whether it's a lack of passion or 588 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 1: lack of like Chris Loss, there's no fear of loss. Uh, 589 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: there's no fear of competition. These guys have not played 590 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: up to what you've seen and what you think should be. 591 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: They're hot, their seiling and so uh. You know, we 592 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: use words like culture and getting it right and this 593 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: that and the other, but the bottom line is fellas 594 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: and and uh and I hope you know, I don't 595 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 1: care if I'm hurting anybody feelings. I know I'm telling 596 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: the truth. You don't have enough quality players on defense 597 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: to be competitive, thank you boom. That doesn't have anything 598 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: to do with culture. Yeah, let me beg to disagree 599 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: only on this point because Troyman was talking about this 600 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: when he's giving Dak Prescott a lot of props and 601 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: how Dak Prescott is worth his money because you know 602 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: what you're gonna get. He's a CEO of the team 603 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: as a quarterback, he drives hard, he's a leader. And 604 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: not to throw Dwayne Haskins under the bus because he's 605 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: so in mature and there's a lot of guys who 606 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: are in mature and that's the culture. You cannot have 607 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: a locker room full of Dwayne Haskins. Well they don't. 608 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: I didn't say in locker room full. I said you 609 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: can't have too many of them. You can't have guys 610 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: they exist, Mickey. There are people out there that exist 611 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: that think they have arrived. And that was Dwayne haskins problem. 612 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: He has the talent, but he thinks all I have 613 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: to do is get my stats, and that's the wrong mentality. 614 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: There are individuals that have that and maybe when they 615 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: come into the Cowboys locker room, they don't feel like, Oh, 616 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lose my job because I gotta start. 617 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: No is, You're fired. This this, this is, this is 618 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: what we're this is, this is what we are. Uh. 619 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to earn the right. Yeah, They're gonna 620 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: have to earn the right through competition, you know. Uh. 621 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 1: I know Tank is passionate. I know Donovan Wilson is passionate, 622 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 1: not only because they show it, you know, on the field, 623 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: but they play with it and they perform with it. Uh. 624 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: And I use this guy as my example because I 625 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: love him. I cannot let Jordan Lewis play more than 626 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,959 Speaker 1: ten plays at this point. I cannot let Jordan Lewis 627 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: play more than ten plays because Jordan Lewis fear that 628 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna only play ten or twelve plays. He's gonna 629 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: go out and give me his best ten or twelve plays. 630 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: But if I didn't Jordan Lewis play thirty five plays, 631 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a hit it, but I'm gonna get 632 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,959 Speaker 1: a blown assignment. So it's about knowing your players, knowing 633 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: what they can and cannot do. But I will go 634 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: back to this if we think we can line up 635 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: with that same set of guys. It's not gonna work 636 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: next year either, because a lot of these guys are 637 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: not good enough. And that is the bottom line. Whether 638 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: it's a mental, whether it's physical, whether it's scared that 639 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: they're not gonna play well, I don't know what it is. 640 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: These guys are not good enough. And I guess what 641 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: my point was is like, you got some great guys, 642 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 1: you got some good character guys. I guess to me, 643 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: it's just like what you said, it's passion, it's you know, 644 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: and it's how do you get the whole group to 645 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,720 Speaker 1: buy in? Because there are leaders, they're absolutely or leaders 646 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. I just don't see 647 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: it as an entire everyone is bought in and everybody 648 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 1: has this laser focus that you see on some teams 649 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: where it's it's all for one and this guy, yeah, 650 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: it's it just seems like there's a few guys over 651 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: here kind of doing this when most people are doing this. 652 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: I want somebody to get on those guys, go get 653 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: them and be like get get get over here. Let 654 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: that's my idea, A perfect sample. Hurry, hangl you know what, 655 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: give us that when you come back. I got one job. 656 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing a good job. No, we got second segment. Nate, 657 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: I like this discussion, don't too? Yeah, I do too 658 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,240 Speaker 1: very well. All get Passionate. I don't think it's the culture, 659 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: not in this not on this shows. We got a 660 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: good chemistry and good culture that come in yogurt, don't it. Nate, 661 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: get your question. We have we have multi culture. We 662 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: do absolutely have that. And what else can we get to? 663 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: You know what, Let's let's talk about what's next for 664 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys and Coach McCarthy and all kinds of stuff. 665 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: That's probably the quote of the show right there. All right, 666 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: we will be back for the last segment. You're listening 667 00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: to Cowboys Cross Talking the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network and 668 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: bye to s WBC Mortgages Boys Cross Talk, Yeah, broadcasting 669 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 670 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 1: You are one segment away from the nosebleed seats with 671 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 1: Zach and Eric. We apologize again for being in this space, 672 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: but one last time, let's do it. S WBC Mortgage 673 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,320 Speaker 1: customized solutions to help you meet your personal and business goals. 674 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: Visit SWBC dot com. Shannon Gross here accompanied by Mickey 675 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: Spagnola and Nate Newton in studio Chris Arnold at one 676 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: O five three The Fans Studios. Nate Newton has one 677 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 1: final question or thought, maybe more than that, but the 678 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,319 Speaker 1: first one of this last segment take it away, Noah, 679 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: don't we have a great discussion. I'm sorry you couldn't 680 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 1: hear it, Chris where or anyone else for that counter 681 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 1: One thing about me, I've always been honest with fan. 682 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: I like the joking, I like the child and Jalen 683 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: Smith name was brought up, and the things that Jalen 684 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: does on the field sometime is annoying to fan ends Jayalen, 685 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this on behalf of Jayla. They put 686 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 1: him in a different position this year. He's not really 687 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: the weak side lineback. He does other things within this defense. Okay. 688 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: He had some games where he played okay, and then 689 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 1: he had some games where it was obvious he wasn't 690 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: playing well. He's ultru enthusiastic, and his interviews are like 691 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 1: none other we've seen around here. I don't know, I 692 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: guess you gotta go. I don't know what y'all guys 693 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: have been around al who would interview like this guy? 694 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's very annoying and people are 695 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,480 Speaker 1: scared that this guy will influence other guys. Well, Mick 696 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: was telling me all fair that he doesn't influence other guys. 697 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: He does basically his own thing. That is good to know. 698 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,879 Speaker 1: So that's the guy that most everybody fears is how 699 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,840 Speaker 1: would Jayleen Smith conduct himself doing it coming into this offseason. 700 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: I pray that he conduct himself in an orderly fashion. 701 00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: But the other guys, I would say that right here 702 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,400 Speaker 1: and him included, they are not good enough. They were 703 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: gonna have to go out in draft or get in 704 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 1: free agency players that can be competitive and coming in 705 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 1: and drive these other guys. That fear that Chris talks 706 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 1: about is truly real. Yeah, and I agree about Jail 707 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,279 Speaker 1: and the way I want to chalk it up. I 708 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,000 Speaker 1: spent all the time with him before the pandemic, and 709 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 1: he keeps on his interviews, he keeps talking as if 710 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,839 Speaker 1: you know he's rudy and he's overcome all these obstacles. Yeah, 711 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: we know that, but you haven't played well the last 712 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: two years, and that's what everybody's trying to focus on. 713 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: But yet you keep talking like a motivational speaker. And 714 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,919 Speaker 1: it doesn't match with the game that you just got 715 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: through playing. So I think he needs to get his 716 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: message right because I don't know if he does that 717 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 1: in the locker room at all. I think he's a 718 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,760 Speaker 1: different person. It's kind of like when Coach Garrett speaks. 719 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: Everybody knows that Coach Garrett in front of the market 720 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,760 Speaker 1: phone is a completely different guy. He's given you coach speak. 721 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett as the human being is a fun guy, 722 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: he is a cool guy. He's a but when you 723 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: put him in front of that microphone, he's giving you 724 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 1: robot answers. And I'm wondering if Jason, excuse me, if 725 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: if Jayala Smith in front of a microphone is giving 726 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:20,240 Speaker 1: you motivational speeches completely oblivious. And that's why it sounds 727 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,399 Speaker 1: it sounds like he's delusional because it's completely oblivious. Then 728 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: the way that he played out there, do you guys 729 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,960 Speaker 1: realize this defense and the majority of the guys are 730 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: still out there, finished eleventh last year in the league. 731 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,800 Speaker 1: Well that should have said for our coaches don't change 732 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: anything right. Well, and that one morning when when I 733 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,840 Speaker 1: think the guys asked Jerry about regrets or things you 734 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 1: would do over, he said, knowing what we know now 735 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: going into a pandemic, and how we went and have 736 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:04,960 Speaker 1: an off season. We kept the offense consistent, kept the 737 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: same coordinator right, and we had consistency on offense. We 738 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: changed too much on defense, and we didn't have time 739 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,759 Speaker 1: to change and get everything straight. And that's probably the 740 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,799 Speaker 1: biggest mistake they made because they started. They came in 741 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: here and said, we're going to fit our scheme to 742 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 1: the players. Well, all of a sudden, they started fitting 743 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 1: players to the schemes, and you know, they messed around 744 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,280 Speaker 1: with that three four, which they didn't have the personnel 745 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,719 Speaker 1: to play a three four. They have four down linemen. 746 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,399 Speaker 1: When they needed a third linebacker, they tried to use 747 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 1: a defensive end standing up instead of a mobile linebacker, 748 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 1: and I think that led to some of the problems. 749 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 1: If you listen to de Marcus Lawrence today when he 750 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 1: was asked the question, and he said, you know, we 751 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 1: had some veteran guys who who had figured it out, 752 00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 1: but there was some guys, young guys. They were asked 753 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,760 Speaker 1: to do a lot of different things and it wasn't working. 754 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,840 Speaker 1: And he said, and Mike Nolan was man enough to 755 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: adapt and change some things that last part of the 756 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 1: season where everybody understood what they needed to do better 757 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:26,279 Speaker 1: and we're playing better. So again, I everybody wanted to 758 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: run Jeff Heath out right, Jeff Heaths pretty good player, 759 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah that's the race. He went someplace else Byron Jones 760 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,359 Speaker 1: would get criticized for no, you know, no interceptions, but 761 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: he was pretty steady over there, right. I'm trying to 762 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,640 Speaker 1: think of who else they lost. They lost Anthony Higeons, 763 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: Anthony Lewis, No, no, no, no, not those guys were 764 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,799 Speaker 1: been going. They lost. They lost the defensive tackle right 765 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: um um Malike Collins. But pretty good player. Those two 766 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,040 Speaker 1: guys that we talked about earlier, Robert Queen a stalwarts 767 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,640 Speaker 1: in what they do in Kansas City. The bottom line 768 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,240 Speaker 1: is this, and I'm gonna continue to say it until 769 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:14,920 Speaker 1: we do something about it. Our defense does not have 770 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,399 Speaker 1: to be great, but it has to be good. If 771 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,719 Speaker 1: they can keep those turnovers one or two of a 772 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 1: game and stopped and run, our offense can light it up. No. 773 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 1: I know that, Oh I got you, But you can't 774 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 1: score thirty to forty points a game to have to win. 775 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 1: And the last fourteen games they've won eight last year 776 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,640 Speaker 1: six this year. They scored at least thirty points in 777 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 1: every one of them. Sometimes you gotta win a game 778 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen, right, you know what I'm gonna That's all 779 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,799 Speaker 1: I've been saying that. I know one thing about it. 780 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,240 Speaker 1: You can sell out on one side of the football 781 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: and win, but you but that point of where you're 782 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 1: selling out has to be able to control the game. 783 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,879 Speaker 1: And even with no DAK, I said to myself, if 784 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,760 Speaker 1: coach kell him Moore in the office, line coach getting together, 785 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,799 Speaker 1: they still can set tempo to games, but not having 786 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 1: to play four quarterbacks. Yeah, I understand that. I understanding. 787 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,400 Speaker 1: But once we got in the backup quarterback, which is 788 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 1: is Dalton, I hope he's signed back with US. I 789 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,719 Speaker 1: hope Dalton signback with US, and I'm putting the mark 790 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,000 Speaker 1: out on him for thirty one other teams. You don't 791 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:41,120 Speaker 1: touch this. Dude ain't no good. So I'm just being honest. 792 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: Don't catch the guy money. He calls the money. Now, 793 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,799 Speaker 1: I gonna make all the type of money gonna coach 794 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,719 Speaker 1: TCU in the league. Come on, he gonna make all 795 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:59,960 Speaker 1: times that was a million dollars. Pass this we we Yeah, 796 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see this right quickly, you need another three 797 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,560 Speaker 1: defensive players and two of them be up on your 798 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 1: front line and one them be a linebacker. You you, 799 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,239 Speaker 1: you can get back in this thing, yep, quickly, yep. 800 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,640 Speaker 1: But you can't be shot by spending the money. Well 801 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 1: you know before. They probably not gonna have a lot 802 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,799 Speaker 1: of money. As a matter of fact, when Steven did 803 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,279 Speaker 1: his you gotta sign, that's that everybody will signed. Let's 804 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: go there, you go. That's a recipe to success. That 805 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,280 Speaker 1: signed that sign up. The salary caps gonna shrink twenty 806 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,160 Speaker 1: five that's all right, Just for one Jones, I took 807 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,959 Speaker 1: a loss when up there's one hundred billion reasons coming 808 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,960 Speaker 1: down can say you took Mickey. It has been a pleasure. 809 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 1: Thank you for jo Always a pleasure to have you 810 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,960 Speaker 1: on the show. Thanks for being our special love that 811 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 1: guess Chris Arnold one show. Good seeing you man. We 812 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,919 Speaker 1: don't get to see y'all. Say a chrisk you guys 813 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 1: than Chris last time this year, We'll see you taught 814 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,360 Speaker 1: for the last time. This has been up for ruction 815 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,200 Speaker 1: of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.