Speaker 1: When you have five hundred people making the decisions for
Speaker 1: three hundred million people across the entire United States, there's
Speaker 1: cultures that are affected in way different ways. Bitcoin allows
Speaker 1: individuals to not only protect their livelihood and their energy,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, they're able to
Speaker 1: protect their culture. Everybody gets to keep their culture without
Speaker 1: having to go to war with each other. The other
Speaker 1: people want to do what they want to do. You know,
Speaker 1: live and let live, let them, let them do what
Speaker 1: they want to do. But right now you're forced.
Speaker 2: Russia found out the hard way that they could just
Speaker 2: lose all their money at one time. But when I
Speaker 2: can hold my wealth in a way they can't just
Speaker 2: confiscate and steal at the click of a button, then
Speaker 2: it changes the balance of power. And when it changes
Speaker 2: the balance of power, then what starts to happen.
Speaker 1: I like to literally think of bitcoin as a weapon,
Speaker 1: as like the perfect weapon for humanity, because if you
Speaker 1: think of military taxes, these people are going to come
Speaker 1: and kill you, They're going to come and steal all
Speaker 1: of your energy. But there is this technology over here
Speaker 1: that you as the individual, can pick up store your
Speaker 1: own well self custodial bitcoin, and you can just opt out.
Speaker 1: You can still continue to watch your football drink bears.
Speaker 1: You can literally arm yourself as a digital citizen in
Speaker 1: a digital sovereign in cyberspace to where you no longer
Speaker 1: allow that enemy to continually exploit you.
Speaker 2: If you're falling politics and the election cycle, you better
Speaker 2: realize right now that no one is coming to save you.
Speaker 2: Doesn't really matter who gets into the White House or
Speaker 2: when's the election, doesn't matter what country're in. If you
Speaker 2: want to bring your life forward, you have to focus
Speaker 2: on your own wealth, your own finances, in your own future.
Speaker 2: And so I'm gonna sit down today, I'm talking with
Speaker 2: g Money, Garrett from Ruggpole Radio, and we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about a peaceful revolution that's happening that we can
Speaker 2: take part of to protect ourselves and build wealth into
Speaker 2: the future. We're going to go through a couple of
Speaker 2: different frameworks that you can use that's going to move
Speaker 2: your life forward in the fast amount of time possible.
Speaker 2: So let's just go ahead and just jump right in
Speaker 2: with Garrett. All right, Garrett g Money, there's been an
Speaker 2: interview long time coming for every one that doesn't know.
Speaker 2: What's kind of interesting is Garrett I've been friends for
Speaker 2: a long time, well before bitcoin, well before bitcoin, which
Speaker 2: is pretty interesting, and now bitcoin sort of kind of
Speaker 2: brought us back together path crossing. It's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: You know, we are recording this on ten thirty one
Speaker 2: before the election. We're not going to get into that stuff,
Speaker 2: but ten thirty one and I want to talk about
Speaker 2: your thesis on digital seventeen seventy six, And something I
Speaker 2: talk a lot about is like cycles and revolutions, and
Speaker 2: obviously that's a revolutionary year two and fifty years ago,
Speaker 2: fifth generation warfare, which I've done videos about how to
Speaker 2: understand what's going on and use that to our advantage
Speaker 2: and protect ourselves counterinsurgency. What that means software numerologis is
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff that we can do, but typically
Speaker 2: or overall, what I want to say is just how
Speaker 2: can we understand the world, what's going on, think about technology,
Speaker 2: which is always what changed the world, and think about
Speaker 2: protecting ourselves and you know, thriving even through this. But
Speaker 2: I do want to just say, as of today ten
Speaker 2: thirty one, we were talking about the significance of that date,
Speaker 2: which is when Martin Luther nailed a ninety five thesis
Speaker 2: to the Church door about five hundred years ago, and
Speaker 2: that led to a revolution, and it was because technology,
Speaker 2: the printing press had created the Bible, so the technology
Speaker 2: created information, and the information broke the grip of power
Speaker 2: that a central monopoly the church at the time had.
Speaker 2: And even though the church labeled people heretics and heresy
Speaker 2: and they killed them, you can't stop a good idea
Speaker 2: whose time has come. And here we are five hundred
Speaker 2: years later, and on bitcoin White paper Day, which was
Speaker 2: introduced the same time as that ninety five thesis, we
Speaker 2: see the same thing. So this grip of these central
Speaker 2: power brokers, if you will, you know, the central bankers
Speaker 2: and the governments have this grip over money, but we
Speaker 2: have new technology that's now decentralized, that distributed that and
Speaker 2: no matter how hard they tried to kill people, if
Speaker 2: they find it with it, hopefully it doesn't get to that.
Speaker 2: But there's just no way that they can stop that.
Speaker 2: That's what history shows us. But I talk about these cycles,
Speaker 2: these two hundred and fifty year political revolution cycles, so
Speaker 2: about every two hundred fifty years we have this big cycle.
Speaker 2: So two hundred fred years ago was the American Revolution
Speaker 2: and the friend revolution at the same time, seventeen seventy six.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about that Digital seventeen seventy six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's talk about that. Super excited to be here,
Speaker 1: and yeah, we had we had some fun back before
Speaker 1: the bitcoin days. And it's kind of funny how it
Speaker 1: brought us together, being you know, almost neighborly in that effect.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, getting back to revolution, getting back
Speaker 1: to this two and fifty year cycles. You know, what
Speaker 1: is digital seventeen seventy six?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: What is our current form of abstract laws that we
Speaker 1: live in?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: And I think I like to break it down very
Speaker 1: simply so people can understand it and how we how
Speaker 1: we break through this system? Right, And so let's just
Speaker 1: take the premise that banks control governments and then governments
Speaker 1: control people, Okay. And I think that's a really simple
Speaker 1: baseline for people to understand, because we know, right, our
Speaker 1: politicians to pass a bill, right, to get them to
Speaker 1: actually vote for a bill, what do they do, right, Oh, well,
Speaker 1: let me put in something that's for my district or
Speaker 1: for my district, right, And so what you get is
Speaker 1: you just get this employees of the central bank, right,
Speaker 1: that and basically doing the bidding of you know, shadow government,
Speaker 1: these people that are behind the scenes. And so I
Speaker 1: think a couple of years ago you could have said,
Speaker 1: oh gee, I don't know about this shadow government. These
Speaker 1: people behind the scenes pull levers of power. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know what happened with the pandemic and everything else,
Speaker 1: I think people are a little bit more awakened to
Speaker 1: the corruptness of our institutions, right, of our politicians, a
Speaker 1: big pharma of the military industrial complex. Right, You've got
Speaker 1: all these different things out there, and so we're still
Speaker 1: stuck in this system, right, We're still stuck in bad software. Right,
Speaker 1: and so the government we have now is literally bad
Speaker 1: software because in nineteen thirty three they froze the number
Speaker 1: of congressmen that allowed them to represent us. And so
Speaker 1: what do we get as the population grows, we get
Speaker 1: a dilution of our representation. And so we're like stuck
Speaker 1: in bad software. We're stuck in proof of stake software,
Speaker 1: where stakeholders, right, the actual politicians a congressman, senators, and
Speaker 1: president are the stakeholders that make changes to our network.
Speaker 1: They're the ones that can say, hey, guess what we're
Speaker 1: going to get you twenty five percent unrealized gains. There's
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. And so we have
Speaker 1: to really like break it down, like what system are
Speaker 1: we living in and what's our solution out of this
Speaker 1: tyranny because we're paying more than fifty percent of our
Speaker 1: of our of our energy and taxes through inflation and taxation,
Speaker 1: and inflation at its base level is taxation without representation. Okay,
Speaker 1: Taxation without representation is illegal. It's it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: repugnant to a free and open American society that we've
Speaker 1: built upon freedom and representation, representative government. And so our
Speaker 1: democracy is a shitcoin in its current form, right, Our
Speaker 1: democray is literally it's it's out of touch and it
Speaker 1: needs to be upgraded to the twenty first century. Okay,
Speaker 1: And so here we are. We're gifted with this, this
Speaker 1: beautiful gift from Setociana Kamoto, whoever that entity year people before.
Speaker 2: Before we jump into that, let's just let's just let's
Speaker 2: talk back about the current form of governments have. Then
Speaker 2: we'll talk about solutions and ways we can protect ourselves
Speaker 2: and get ahead in this. I do just want to
Speaker 2: say for everybody you know, I think it's very important
Speaker 2: to understand the problems the attack vectors as I call them,
Speaker 2: so you can understand the solutions. Like if I understand
Speaker 2: someone's going to tack me through the front door, I'm
Speaker 2: going to barricade the front door and make sure I
Speaker 2: have a back door to get out of. And so
Speaker 2: these are not like doom and gloom. But this is
Speaker 2: like things that are going on. But you know, in
Speaker 2: regards to that, something I've talked quite a bit about,
Speaker 2: which is that the current form of government that we
Speaker 2: have today that you were just laying out is no
Speaker 2: longer compatible with the world that we live in. And
Speaker 2: so you sort of talk about like the government, the
Speaker 2: forum government that we have today sort of being created
Speaker 2: and frozen in time and maybe intentionally to sort of
Speaker 2: hold us down or keep us trapped in this system,
Speaker 2: if you will. I talk about it in a sense
Speaker 2: where technology changes the world and on a two and
Speaker 2: a few year time f when we moved from like
Speaker 2: centralization to decentralization. So about two hundred fift years ago
Speaker 2: was the American French Revolution, but it was also the
Speaker 2: industrial Revolution, so we it was the first time we
Speaker 2: really had mechanized machines and we went from like a
Speaker 2: pharma grarran society now to like moving to cities and factories.
Speaker 2: Henry Ford nineteen eight created the assembly line, and on
Speaker 2: the assembly line, everybody was equal. So that's what I believe.
Speaker 2: Everyone says that we hauled out the middle class by
Speaker 2: sending jobs to China. I don't really believe that's exactly
Speaker 2: the case. Those are low paying jobs. We can just
Speaker 2: put people into the fields picking strawberries as well. What
Speaker 2: happened is on the assembly line, smart people and dumb
Speaker 2: people were equal. So we had this massive middle class
Speaker 2: because all these people did the same thing, just put
Speaker 2: the widget on the line. But what happened is, in
Speaker 2: order to manage the mass production and the masses, we
Speaker 2: had to come up with a management structure to manage
Speaker 2: people like numbers on a spreadsheet, cogs and a wheel.
Speaker 2: So then we had mass manufacturing mass management, and then
Speaker 2: we created this mass government to govern the mass management
Speaker 2: of the mass production. But what happened is we left
Speaker 2: the industrial age and now we're in the information age.
Speaker 2: So we no longer have these big corporations. There are
Speaker 2: big factories, no longer have those big assembly lines, and
Speaker 2: so now we have small decentralized companies. I have, you know,
Speaker 2: people working from a laptop anywhere in the world, and
Speaker 2: so to speak, no longer do we have you know,
Speaker 2: these five ten thousand and fifty thousand person corporations. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's just a few of them out there. But even
Speaker 2: even still, their workforce is decentralized. And so now we
Speaker 2: have this small workforce internet warriors, et cetera all over
Speaker 2: the place, but we still have the government that was
Speaker 2: set up to manage mass management, mass production. And I
Speaker 2: see like technology is advanced to the point that we
Speaker 2: don't need that big giant government anymore. I'm curious your
Speaker 2: thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, right, the gig economy where people can
Speaker 1: just be a little independent, decentralized, little, you know, little
Speaker 1: economies of their own and they can go off and
Speaker 1: do whatever they want. And so right, we're stuck in
Speaker 1: that software path, right, We're stuck in an old system,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't scale, it doesn't scale, right.
Speaker 2: So it's like the banks are like I heard, the
Speaker 2: banks are still running Cobalts is like a software that
Speaker 2: they set up in the seventies and they haven't started
Speaker 2: using new software. So the government is running the old software.
Speaker 2: That's sort of the frame that you're coming Well, yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Framework of you know, the idea of the current government
Speaker 1: we live in four hundred and thirty five Congressman, one
Speaker 1: hundred senators. Right, that's just an abstract concept that someone
Speaker 1: put on a piece of paper, and so who says
Speaker 1: we can't change that at some point?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 1: Obviously, I think there's very important facts of our constitution. Right,
Speaker 1: We've got Bill of Riots, We've got freedoms that other
Speaker 1: countries don't have. And so bitcoin in its purest form
Speaker 1: is like a super constitution, right, First Amendment, second Amendment,
Speaker 1: all these different amendments are built in digitally, and it's
Speaker 1: protected from a wall of energy.
Speaker 3: So it's like, how do.
Speaker 1: We transition from this old, rotted out colbal banking software
Speaker 1: to like the twenty first century space force and lasers
Speaker 1: and all types of different energies. What's that transition look like?
Speaker 1: And I believe we're in that transition, and bitcoin is
Speaker 1: that bridge that gets us from the old to the new,
Speaker 1: to where we don't have to trust politicians to enact
Speaker 1: things that our dearest to our communities and our culture.
Speaker 1: Because what happens is when you have five hundred people
Speaker 1: making the decisions for three hundred million people across the
Speaker 1: entire you know, United States. There's cultures that are affected
Speaker 1: in way different ways, you know, in each sector of
Speaker 1: those things. And so bitcoin allows individuals to not only
Speaker 1: protect their livelihood and their energy, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, they're able to protect their culture. And
Speaker 1: you know, I think culture is one of the most
Speaker 1: important facts of this is that everybody gets to keep
Speaker 1: their culture without having to go to war with each
Speaker 1: other and causes big uprising of a bloody revolution. Right,
Speaker 1: this is a peaceful revolution. And that's why we call
Speaker 1: it digital seventeen seventy six, because individuals are empowered at
Speaker 1: the most basic level, the economic level. And so what
Speaker 1: bitcoin does. It transfers power right from an old, archaic,
Speaker 1: corrupt system into the hands of the individual, right power
Speaker 1: back to the people, because you know, voting for you know,
Speaker 1: who's ever going to be president next, isn't just going
Speaker 1: to be like here here's your here's your freedoms back, right,
Speaker 1: Like when is that? When has that ever happened? It's
Speaker 1: never happened, And so no, I think you're right, I
Speaker 1: think you know, bitcoin actually helps lead us into where
Speaker 1: governments just become service providers, right, they've become water power,
Speaker 1: internet at the end of the day. And then you choose,
Speaker 1: right voluntarily, which which pack do you want to be
Speaker 1: a part of? Do you want to be packed a
Speaker 1: part of that has purple hair and forced you know, injections,
Speaker 1: or do you want to be over here where.
Speaker 3: They eat meat and they you know, they work.
Speaker 1: Out every morning, eat meat and the sea. You need
Speaker 1: to choose the culture you want to be part of.
Speaker 1: And if if the other people want to do what
Speaker 1: they want to do, you know, live and let live,
Speaker 1: let them, let them do what they want to do.
Speaker 1: But right now you're forced, you're forced into playing a
Speaker 1: set of rules that are frekently frankly against natural law.
Speaker 1: They're against the the laws of just of harmonics with
Speaker 1: the universe, I believe, because they're forcing things upon people
Speaker 1: that are unjust right, that are unfair, you know, over
Speaker 1: fifty percent taxation, let's start there, right, And I think
Speaker 1: that's a that's a fact that everybody can agree with.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what side of the eye you're on.
Speaker 1: That is strictly, you know, a complete that's theft at
Speaker 1: it's at its very basic level.
Speaker 2: So you talk about like this old system and how
Speaker 2: we can have this digital seventeen seventy six, we can
Speaker 2: sort of have this revolutionary moment without bloodshed, which obviously
Speaker 2: sounds great, a peaceful revolution. But when I think about it,
Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking about being able to protect my property,
Speaker 2: so my money, But like, how does that change everything
Speaker 2: by changing like incentives or shifting balance of power? I mean,
Speaker 2: they the state. They the state has a monopoly on violence.
Speaker 2: So being able to hold my money isn't going to
Speaker 2: protect me from a monopoly of violence, is it.
Speaker 1: Well, I think we need to learn how to how
Speaker 1: do we settle disputes? Okay, like traditional ways, me and
Speaker 1: you get in a fight or something, right like oh
Speaker 1: this is my piece of land, this is your peace line,
Speaker 1: We go to war, we beat each other up, right,
Speaker 1: and we're like, okay, whoever whoever you know this is
Speaker 1: left alive, takes to the person's land.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That's traditionally how we've settled disputes. Right, And so now
Speaker 1: we're in a way to where do we settle disputes? Well,
Speaker 1: we have to go to a court of law, right
Speaker 1: that we have to then trust that judge isn't corrupt. Right,
Speaker 1: Like any other type of litigation you get in, you
Speaker 1: have to then trust another you know, centralized abstract center
Speaker 1: of law that you have to basically like, okay, kind
Speaker 1: of trust this people. You know, you're always extending that
Speaker 1: level of trust. Okay, we mean you make a handshake
Speaker 1: deal right on. Hey, this this thing's worth this amount
Speaker 1: of money. We're going to split the profits of it.
Speaker 1: But if we don't have a way to protect ourselves
Speaker 1: and the thing all of a sudden becomes very valuable,
Speaker 1: be you know what, later, I'm just going to take
Speaker 1: off of it, and there's no recourse at that point.
Speaker 3: And so what do we have.
Speaker 1: We have a technology to where individuals, if they're unhappy
Speaker 1: with the current ways things are going, they can literally
Speaker 1: just opt out.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: And so let's take an example of twenty five percent
Speaker 1: unrealized games. Okay, Kamala comes down, Trump comes down, whoever
Speaker 1: it is, right and says, hey, we're going to give
Speaker 1: you a bill. Your bitcoin went up to five hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. We see that you have this much, and
Speaker 1: we're going to tax you twenty five percent, right without
Speaker 1: selling it you can pay. Well, look, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna obey. I'm not going to action comply
Speaker 1: with your theft of my energy for no other reason
Speaker 1: than the fact that you have this rank and file
Speaker 1: system and you have a some kind of a special
Speaker 1: you know, gallon or badge or hat that says you
Speaker 1: have special powers over me. And so what you can
Speaker 1: do is you can literally just opt out, and you
Speaker 1: can say no, I'm not going to do that, and
Speaker 1: you can self cuss through a bitcoin. You can walk,
Speaker 1: you know, you can take off to another country if
Speaker 1: you have to. But if you if you keep pulling
Speaker 1: this thread, okay, you know, lots of people out there
Speaker 1: over the last you know, five to ten to twenty
Speaker 1: years have slowly been seeing this acceleration of theft of
Speaker 1: their property of the energy to where they're no longer
Speaker 1: like going to accept it. Right, there's a red line,
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people. And so if
Speaker 1: we keep understanding, hey, how do how do we break
Speaker 1: through the system? What happened in seventeen seventy six, Right,
Speaker 1: they negotiated, they pleaded, they did everything they could to
Speaker 1: avoid conflict with the king, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, right, they had to pull their muskets out.
Speaker 1: They actually had to use force right to overcome this
Speaker 1: abstract power. And so bitcoin allows us to use force right,
Speaker 1: actual power to settle our disputes and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: We're not going to agree to those terms. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to maybe move to El Salvador. I'm going to
Speaker 1: move to somewhere else that it's more friendly for my energy,
Speaker 1: and I can just pick up my energy and take
Speaker 1: off forever I want. And so what's going to happen is,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we as a collective,
Speaker 1: enough of us can basically DDoS attack their enforcement bureaucracy.
Speaker 3: Okay, because if enough of us.
Speaker 1: Say, hey, we're no longer playing or abiding by your
Speaker 1: abstract rules that you just continually make up whenever you want.
Speaker 1: We're not going to file our federal tax returns, We're
Speaker 1: not going to comply with your unrealized taxable gains, they
Speaker 1: simply don't have enough people to imprison all of us, right,
Speaker 1: And so what it was seventeen seventy six, a small
Speaker 1: minority stood up against you know, the tyrants, and you know,
Speaker 1: the small toxic minority will change and will force the
Speaker 1: rest of the sheep to actually come over to their side. Now,
Speaker 1: not everybody's gonna want to hear this type of stuff,
Speaker 1: but we don't need everybody, right, We only need enough
Speaker 1: people that reaches that critical mass of their enforcement arm,
Speaker 1: if they even have an enforcement arm, to actually go
Speaker 1: after all these individuals that have refused to, you know,
Speaker 1: pay the King's tax, right, And I think you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about it. Saylor talks about
Speaker 1: it if you pushed me hard enough, like I lost
Speaker 1: my keys. We talk about voting accidents. And so there's
Speaker 1: already this this this quasi narrative going around, and even
Speaker 1: recently Trump has been talking about no taxation. He started
Speaker 1: with no tax on tips, then I went to no
Speaker 1: tax on Social Security, then I went to no tax
Speaker 1: on overtime. And now he's like, hey, no federal income tax.
Speaker 1: And so I think what he's doing is he's slowly
Speaker 1: building a narrative that's shifting our Overton window. And to
Speaker 1: be like, no, we have to pay tax tax is
Speaker 1: patriotic when at the end of the day, your tax
Speaker 1: money doesn't actually go to any public service good at all.
Speaker 1: If you look up the Grace Commission Report Executive Order
Speaker 1: one two three sixty nine Ronald Reagan found in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty two that one hundred percent of your tax dollars
Speaker 1: go through go for no public good whatsoever. It actually
Speaker 1: most of it goes to pay interest on the debt.
Speaker 1: And so if you think about that, we're actually all
Speaker 1: wage slaves and we're stuck in a proof of stake
Speaker 1: network that is not going to allow us to actually
Speaker 1: get out of it by compliance, right, and so non
Speaker 1: compliance in a parallel economy that allows us to protect
Speaker 1: our enemy or energy in a non kinetic way, is
Speaker 1: I believe the way that we win this war, because
Speaker 1: you know, look, I think we've seen the corruption at
Speaker 1: pretty high levels over the last couple of years, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like they're going to let go of
Speaker 1: that power. It doesn't look like they're going to let
Speaker 1: go of that grip. Every year it's something new. They
Speaker 1: change the rules constantly. You know, we live here in California.
Speaker 1: Every year they you know, Gavenusm's coming up with something new.
Speaker 1: And so what does the end of it look like?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just know that there's one solution out of this,
Speaker 1: and that is a peaceful, non kinetic revolution where individuals
Speaker 1: can secure their energy behind a wall of energy that
Speaker 1: the government can't confiscate, they can't block, and they can't
Speaker 1: take from.
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Speaker 2: compliance and revolution. Right where it's like you mentioned, like
Speaker 2: go just go to El Salvador for example. So we
Speaker 2: see El Salvador. We've seen Russia do this. People trolled
Speaker 2: me online when I mentioned Russia, but it's not about Russia.
Speaker 2: It's about the trend where we're starting to see nations
Speaker 2: starting to compete for citizens. So El Salvador did it,
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Speaker 2: if you're like a high level philosopher, business person, code
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Speaker 2: and so our nation states as well. And so what
Speaker 2: happens when I can just pack up from whatever countrymen
Speaker 2: in the US and go to another country that I
Speaker 2: want to go into. Now, in the old days, back
Speaker 2: to the industrial age, I can't just move my factory, right,
Speaker 2: I can't just move my apartment downtown. And in a
Speaker 2: lot of cases, some of my best friends growing up
Speaker 2: were from South Africa, and when they fled South Africa,
Speaker 2: they couldn't even get their money out of the banks.
Speaker 2: Crypto ran I did a show with him and he
Speaker 2: was talking about how his family when they fled, they
Speaker 2: fled to South Africa. His father had melted down all
Speaker 2: their gold and had put it all into like one
Speaker 2: big container, like a barrel. And when they showed up
Speaker 2: to the plane to be evacked out. I think they
Speaker 2: were evacuing out of Iran. You can fact check me
Speaker 2: on that, but they were evacuing out and he showed
Speaker 2: up with the gold and like, hey, you can't take
Speaker 2: that with you, And he's like, what do you mean
Speaker 2: it's our life savings. And he said, well, you either
Speaker 2: stay here with it or you leave it. And they
Speaker 2: left it, and he said they had to live in
Speaker 2: tents for three years, right, And so anyway, I can't
Speaker 2: take my gold, I can't take my factory, you can't
Speaker 2: take my real estate. But in a world where I
Speaker 2: can transport my energy anywhere I want, then it really
Speaker 2: starts to accelerate the game theory, if you will. And
Speaker 2: so maybe there are some people that agree with you
Speaker 2: and are like, no, I'm just not going to do it,
Speaker 2: and if you want to put me in jail, then
Speaker 2: then so be it. There's too many of us who
Speaker 2: can't do it to all of us. And some people
Speaker 2: were just like, well, I'll just go where my where
Speaker 2: go where I'm treated best. And I think that's another
Speaker 2: way to affect that. I think we can see that.
Speaker 1: It's a blend for sure, Like you know, you can
Speaker 1: do you can take whatever tactic you want. But I
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, this technology allows
Speaker 1: a mass exodus of people to do that, right, Because
Speaker 1: if they can't control the people anymore and people start
Speaker 1: doing this at at at scale, they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: do what you just said, They're gonna have to then
Speaker 1: compete to get these people back, right, But like one
Speaker 1: has to come before the other, right, Like they're you're
Speaker 1: not just gonna comply your way and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna come and compete for you to stay here.
Speaker 1: Please don't go. You know, there has to be some
Speaker 1: kind of actual, you know, separation from I believe this,
Speaker 1: you know, current situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in regards to your statement you made about the
Speaker 2: government not really needing their taxes and not going to
Speaker 2: our own personal goods, so to speak. In twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: the government collected two point one eight trillion dollars of
Speaker 2: income taxes. Year to date twenty twenty four, the government
Speaker 2: has already spent more than two trillion dollars that they
Speaker 2: brought than they brought in. So basically to kind of
Speaker 2: add on to your point, dount of income tax they receive,
Speaker 2: they've already spent more than that in debt this year,
Speaker 2: and so do they need our income? I put something
Speaker 2: on Twitter the other day talking about how really taxes
Speaker 2: and the talk that I gave in Australia was about
Speaker 2: how the game is rigged, the game of money and
Speaker 2: it's rigged. So we stay in the game, and so
Speaker 2: taxes take half our wealth. Whatever wealth we managed to
Speaker 2: keep after that gets eroded by inflation, and then whatever
Speaker 2: money we have after that, maybe we put into Wall
Speaker 2: Street and they siphon off the rest, right, and so
Speaker 2: it's sort of that game. But yeah, so they don't
Speaker 2: really need it now. I mean, this is a super
Speaker 2: interesting concept. I love the idea of the sovereign individual
Speaker 2: and being able to move on more about competition than
Speaker 2: just outright revolutionary. But either way, it's a revolution. And
Speaker 2: when we think about how technology changes the world, it
Speaker 2: changes the balance of power. So at the intro I
Speaker 2: referenced about five hundred years ago was the Protestant Reformation,
Speaker 2: which is really technology the printing press, which released information.
Speaker 2: But really there was something else that was going on
Speaker 2: at the same time too, and that was the gunpowder Revolution.
Speaker 2: And so the gunpowder then also change the balance of power.
Speaker 2: Right where you had a knight who could fight off
Speaker 2: one hundred peasants or serfs from a horse, also now
Speaker 2: one peasant or serf could have a gun and take
Speaker 2: out one hundred nights, And so that's also sort of
Speaker 2: what I think is happening where it's changing the balance
Speaker 2: of power. Because to the point I think that you're
Speaker 2: making is these governments have had complete control monopoly over money,
Speaker 2: so they have all the power and it's all in
Speaker 2: their system. So like Russia found out the hard way
Speaker 2: that they could just lose all their money at one time.
Speaker 2: But when I can hold my wealth in a way,
Speaker 2: they can't just confiscate and steal at the click of
Speaker 2: a button. You know, there's the wrench attack or whatever.
Speaker 2: But then it changes the balance of power. And when
Speaker 2: it changes the balance of power, then what starts to happen.
Speaker 1: Well, well, let's go back to gunpowder, right, how long
Speaker 1: was gunpowder around before people actually realized it could be
Speaker 1: used in war or as a weapon. I was used
Speaker 1: for medicine, was used for all these different things. But
Speaker 1: it took like I think a few hundred years for
Speaker 1: people to actually realize they could use gunpowder to project power, right,
Speaker 1: inflict major damage upon their enemy. And I like to
Speaker 1: look at bitcoin from a military perspective. I'm not I
Speaker 1: was never in the service, right, I'm a big proponent
Speaker 1: of software, Jason load of software. So I like to
Speaker 1: literally think of bitcoin as a weapon, as like the
Speaker 1: perfect weapon for humanity. Because if you think of military tactics, right,
Speaker 1: by the way, all of our military aren't bad people.
Speaker 1: We know there's a military industrial complex, but we also
Speaker 1: know there's some very smart, bright individuals that are patriots
Speaker 1: that are in our military that are literally help us.
Speaker 2: I was born into an air Force family. That's my
Speaker 2: father's a VET, my father in law's a VET, my
Speaker 2: grandfather's are vets.
Speaker 1: So certainly not right. And so we have absolute patriots
Speaker 1: that want what's best. They don't like seeing their sons
Speaker 1: and daughters going off to war to fight wars in
Speaker 1: other countries that you know, we can't even point to
Speaker 1: on a map. And so how was the military going
Speaker 1: to change itself to possibly maneuver, right, because this is
Speaker 1: kind of maneuver warfare, to give the people a battlefield
Speaker 1: to where they could invite the fight, right, Like a
Speaker 1: lot of are inviting the fight, Like, come on, you
Speaker 1: want to fight us on our territory, Come on and
Speaker 1: try to fight us on our territory, right, Like you're
Speaker 1: gonna what You're gonna have to buy bitcoin, You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to like actually back at the dollar with it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna actually force incentives upon your own infrastructure, like
Speaker 1: every scenario that in that case actually leads to them
Speaker 1: losing at the end of the day. And so back
Speaker 1: to what this means, right in warfare tactics, you have
Speaker 1: a population right that has been kind of like it's
Speaker 1: been domesticated for a very very long time. We're like
Speaker 1: petulant children that when we get upset at something, we'll
Speaker 1: like go rant about it online. We'll like yell and
Speaker 1: scream out, my god, they did this and that. And
Speaker 1: then what do you do next day? You go back down,
Speaker 1: You forget about it. You watch football. You know, you're
Speaker 1: drinking beers and you're like, oh, I got to pay
Speaker 1: this tax. I'm just paying. There's nothing I can do, okay.
Speaker 1: And what this is is like a call of the alpha.
Speaker 1: It's like a wake up of Alpha DNA, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: these people are going to come and kill you. They're
Speaker 1: going to come and steal all of your energy. But
Speaker 1: there is this technology over here that you as the individual,
Speaker 1: can pick up store your own well self custodial bitcoin,
Speaker 1: and you can just opt out. You can still continue
Speaker 1: to watch your football, drink bears, but you can literally
Speaker 1: arm yourself as a digital citizen in a digital sovereign
Speaker 1: in cyberspace to where you no longer allow that enemy
Speaker 1: to continually exploit you, right, because they're exploiting you at
Speaker 1: every level, through through permissioned certificates, licenses, taxation, I mean
Speaker 1: every level. What do don't you need a permission for
Speaker 1: these days? And if we if we keep pulling those threads,
Speaker 1: we get to five general fifth generation warfare okay, which
Speaker 1: was a doctrine put out by the military, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty or so years ago that talked about non kinetic
Speaker 1: ways to project power, right, peaceful ways to you know,
Speaker 1: shift the legitimacy of the current perception okay, of of
Speaker 1: of populace. Okay, So psychological war psychological warfare, right scims.
Speaker 2: So Gen one was mono imano, I'll fight you, you
Speaker 2: fight me. Gen two was organized militaries, My military fight
Speaker 2: you're a military. H. Third Gen warfare was if I
Speaker 2: get to stright, correct if I'm wrong. Third Gen was
Speaker 2: like industrialized warfare, so carriers, ships, planes, World War one,
Speaker 2: World War two. Gen four warfare was then like guerrilla
Speaker 2: warfare and I think maneuver terrorism, right, uh. And then
Speaker 2: fifth gen is what you're talking about now. Interesting tidbit
Speaker 2: about that is the US has never won a war
Speaker 2: since fourth generation on right, So we won obviously in
Speaker 2: third generation, we haven't been able to win in fourth
Speaker 2: The interesting thing about the fourth generation warfare being like
Speaker 2: guerrilla warfare terrorism sort of sort of thing, is that
Speaker 2: there's really no way to win that because in terrorism
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's an ideology and not an organized army,
Speaker 2: so like there's no head of the snake to cut off,
Speaker 2: so to speak. Right, each of these l's sort of
Speaker 2: like operate independently but on a shared ideology. And then anyway,
Speaker 2: so now going into fifth generation warfare, now it's really
Speaker 2: about psychological warfare. The way I had to explained to
Speaker 2: me was like you can feel the pressure and the attack,
Speaker 2: but you're not sure where it's coming from. So it's
Speaker 2: not just psychological warfare.
Speaker 3: But it's it's it's disinformation.
Speaker 2: It's it's disinformation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't tell what's real.
Speaker 1: And so what's funny now, I think is that you know,
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theorists of old right are kind of like
Speaker 1: the new conspiracy theorists or like it's been actually it's
Speaker 1: been flipped, right, So I think now we see people
Speaker 1: walking around with masks and they look like complete lunatics.
Speaker 3: Right, because we all we were all.
Speaker 1: The ones about talking about, you know, hey, the federal
Speaker 1: reserves corrupt, like there's a military industrial complex nine to
Speaker 1: eleven JFK assassination, where all the crazy conspiracy theorists. But
Speaker 1: now we've kind of flipped those conspiracies on their head
Speaker 1: to where a lot of this seems to be true.
Speaker 1: We got multiple Trump shooters, we have you know, the
Speaker 1: these false flag bombing events that happened, we had the
Speaker 1: pull out of Afghanistan, You've got you know, the the pandemic,
Speaker 1: and then you have people now that are like walking
Speaker 1: around and so the syops are work on both sides,
Speaker 1: and so the entire world basically shut down for a
Speaker 1: you know, for a pandemic. And what happened, right where
Speaker 1: did they have military guys that everybody's house forcing me.
Speaker 3: To do things.
Speaker 1: No, it was through the television to where they warped
Speaker 1: everybody's mind. They memetically like engineered people to be like, no,
Speaker 1: this is what we have to do, this is what
Speaker 1: we have to do. And it was a very small
Speaker 1: minority that actually stood up to that. But on the
Speaker 1: opposite side of that. What it caused was it caused
Speaker 1: I think people to be like, whoa, whoa, this is
Speaker 1: this is levels that way too far. We've gone way
Speaker 1: too far over this stuff. And so I think that alpha,
Speaker 1: that called the alpha, is what's been awakened. But as
Speaker 1: part of that, when you mentioned your you know, the
Speaker 1: terrorism and all that sort of thing, that's that's technically insurgency, okay,
Speaker 1: So we actually labeled that stuff. We label it insurgency
Speaker 1: and insurgency defined by the CIA and some of the
Speaker 1: government documents. Part of insurgency is actually shadow government, okay,
Speaker 1: to where the levers of power are not actually done
Speaker 1: by the politicians that we think we elect, but by
Speaker 1: some other more powerful individuals like maybe banks or that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. To where the man behind the curtain,
Speaker 1: right is actually pulling the levers of power, not the
Speaker 1: people that we entrust to this thing. And so wh
Speaker 1: where where you going with this?
Speaker 3: Ye? Where you going with this? Well?
Speaker 1: Funny enough, right, this is where were gonna get into counterinsurgency, okay,
Speaker 1: Because I look at our conflict that we're now in
Speaker 1: as as sapiens as humans, we're in this battle of
Speaker 1: insurgency versus counterinsurgency. Okay, So insurgency, as we're talking about
Speaker 1: over here, is this shadow government, small people, small group
Speaker 1: of people in power that are doing things like terrorism
Speaker 1: and stuff to to instill fear, right in each of each.
Speaker 2: Color revolutions, psychological.
Speaker 1: Right, whether it's real or not. Right, there's it's on
Speaker 1: the TV, and it's it's there to make you make
Speaker 1: you scared. And then you have counterinsurgency. And what is counterinsurgency, well,
Speaker 1: count insurgency is defined as a military and civilian effort
Speaker 1: taken to simultaneously defeat and contain insurgency and its root
Speaker 1: causes okay, military civilian cooperation to actually defeat insurgency, okay.
Speaker 1: And so really what we have as a battle of legitimacy, okay,
Speaker 1: because the propaganda is trying to tell you this is legitimate,
Speaker 1: these people are in power, this is this is what's happening, right,
Speaker 1: And then we as a counter sert to be like, well,
Speaker 1: you're telling me all this stuff, but like in the
Speaker 1: real world, none of that matters to me or is
Speaker 1: actually happening in my world, Like that's not real, right,
Speaker 1: And so you get disinformation versus what's real. And so
Speaker 1: we write as a counter insurgence. Are that that's civilian uprising,
Speaker 1: the peaceful revolution? To tell you, look, bitcoin is legitimate.
Speaker 1: I can go to a computer screen and I can
Speaker 1: verify you know, how many blocks have been made, how
Speaker 1: many how many coins are on the network where I
Speaker 1: can't verify anything on your network?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And so how am I supposed to be legitimize your
Speaker 1: network when I can't verify anything? And so if you
Speaker 1: get to this legitimacy aspect, you get to consent, okay,
Speaker 1: because if I don't consent to your abstract power, I
Speaker 1: am delegitimizing your power.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: And Americans, let's just say we are we were born
Speaker 1: and bred as insurrectionists from seventeen seventy six. Right, we
Speaker 1: have an absolute defiance to abstract power. We fought a
Speaker 1: revolution over it. It's in our DNA, it's literally in
Speaker 1: our blood. And so right now we're dealing with a
Speaker 1: you know, dementia patient in the White House who is
Speaker 1: enacting things against the populace that are they real? Do
Speaker 1: you really have to comply? And I think that's why
Speaker 1: we need to stand up and we have now a solution.
Speaker 1: We have a technology where we can collectively stand up.
Speaker 1: I can fight with someone in another country and we
Speaker 1: don't even have to know each other, and we're decentralized,
Speaker 1: we're in cyberspace. But guess what if they go attack
Speaker 1: that individual, the entire network protects him and it protects me. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm able to use the entire collective collaboration of the
Speaker 1: miners to protect each one of our energy that is
Speaker 1: encapsulated in this thermodynamically sound system. And so I just
Speaker 1: think it's fascinating because so many I think bitcoiners or
Speaker 1: people looking to buy bitcoin look at it from purely
Speaker 1: a way to hedge inflation, purely like a new stock
Speaker 1: or a new technology. When if I think you look
Speaker 1: at it from a military perspective, you look at it
Speaker 1: as a weapon. It actually empowers individuals to settle disputes
Speaker 1: right in a non kinetic way. But also it allows
Speaker 1: you to project power. It allows you to say, you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't have to trust that you're going
Speaker 1: to like not tax me.
Speaker 3: I can just say no at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: All right, Now, while we're talking about bitcoin in the
Speaker 2: future of the financial system, I want to make sure
Speaker 2: you secure it properly. Millions of bitcoin have been lost
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Speaker 2: use something, don't leave your bitcoin on the exchange or
Speaker 2: at risk of getting hacked off of your phone. Secure
Speaker 2: with a hard wallet like this Treasure. There's a link
Speaker 2: down below. I've always thought that maybe a better way
Speaker 2: to look at it was not as a weapon but
Speaker 2: as a shield, which are not really the same. Maybe
Speaker 2: they are, and it depends on how broad you want
Speaker 2: to have that definition. You would use a weapon like
Speaker 2: a sword and a shield together. But they're used for
Speaker 2: two different purposes, ones for protecting and ones for one's
Speaker 2: offense one's defense, so to speak. You can call them
Speaker 2: both weapons, like I said, they're both used.
Speaker 1: In warfactive or passive, right, I mean, one is, you know,
Speaker 1: but I like to.
Speaker 2: Think of it more as protecting as opposed to, you know,
Speaker 2: a defensive weapon as opposed to an offensive weapon, so
Speaker 2: to speak. But you know, one thing that I'm thinking
Speaker 2: as you're talking through that is that we're talking a
Speaker 2: lot about revolutions and wars and pushing back against you know,
Speaker 2: powers that get too big, so to speak. But when
Speaker 2: you think about as I kind of framed out earlier
Speaker 2: with the gunpowder Revolution, like sort of changing the balance
Speaker 2: of power. And you talked earlier about like a war
Speaker 2: and solving disputes, right, Like, most wars have been fought
Speaker 2: over resources. So if I come and conquer you, I
Speaker 2: get your resources, I get your gold, I get your goats,
Speaker 2: I get your wheat or whatever it is. But when
Speaker 2: you have resources like bitcoin that are digital that can't
Speaker 2: be co opted, you can kill me, but you can't
Speaker 2: take it kind of a thing. Right, then what does
Speaker 2: that do to the incentive structure behind the war? Right,
Speaker 2: So it's like it doesn't take take the place. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're always gonna need oil and we're still gonna need
Speaker 2: to grow food, So it doesn't take the place of
Speaker 2: the need for the natural resources. But if the majority
Speaker 2: of the world were worth so a lot of those
Speaker 2: natural resources have sort of been demonetized a little bit, right,
Speaker 2: because maybe bitcoin is built up valuation and we don't
Speaker 2: really need that wealth. All the wealth is now digital.
Speaker 2: I mean, how does that change in the centsra structures?
Speaker 2: And maybe it starts to shift the again the power
Speaker 2: balance here, and maybe there's not a need for all
Speaker 2: this urgency insurgency war kind of revolution talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it changes incentives at the base level. Right,
Speaker 1: will the incentives change before? Right, we get to a
Speaker 1: precipice for humanity to where you know, what if you know,
Speaker 1: what if the perception of the upcoming election, Right, what
Speaker 1: if the winner is not the actual perceived winner right, Like,
Speaker 1: what if something happens to where a majority think it
Speaker 1: was maybe rigged. You know, I think that's a real
Speaker 1: concern that people should have to where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: we've tried to play by the role, we've done everything
Speaker 1: we can. We've you know, we've played it out to
Speaker 1: the to the final degree. And then if if if
Speaker 1: we do right, what what talks about is is insurgency
Speaker 1: count insurgency digital seventeen seventy six, and they continually, right
Speaker 1: are sending weapons to other countries to bomb other countries
Speaker 1: and destroy those countries. I think people need to need
Speaker 1: to have a morality line too, Like if you are
Speaker 1: continually going to support the funding of terrorism abroad, I
Speaker 1: mean that's what we do to some degree, then like
Speaker 1: you're aiding and abetting a criminal enterprise, okay, And so
Speaker 1: if we're able to actually delegitimize their power the federal reserve, Right,
Speaker 1: if the bureaucracy in Washington is paid in an inferior currency, okay,
Speaker 1: that the swamp drains itself. Right, Like imagine if you
Speaker 1: if you took the enemy's inner source away from them,
Speaker 1: which is which is the money printer, and they could
Speaker 1: no longer pay all these bureaucrats for every little pet
Speaker 1: project and war and propaganda arm that they wanted to do. Like,
Speaker 1: that's how you actually drain the swamp, because no one
Speaker 1: is going to like congressmen are going to have to
Speaker 1: learn how to code, right, Like they're going to have
Speaker 1: to actually learn how to produce something of value to
Speaker 1: get value in return. No longer can they rent seek
Speaker 1: off of just taking from us. And I think what
Speaker 1: it does it forces people to actually provide that proof
Speaker 1: of work. Like you can no longer get the free ride, bro.
Speaker 1: So if you can no longer get a free ride,
Speaker 1: what does that mean for the congressman? What does that
Speaker 1: mean for the individual? But yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 1: that transition.
Speaker 3: Totally looks like.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's still I think there's still
Speaker 1: some cards to be played with with the election and
Speaker 1: with what's going to happen with bricks. There's so many
Speaker 1: different players on the board right now. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's an interesting time to be alive. I'll say that much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to ask you for more questions on
Speaker 2: the fifth generation of warfare, and then I want to
Speaker 2: get into Satoshinaka mode. Because I know you have some
Speaker 2: interesting thoughts there that you and I haven't had a
Speaker 2: chance to discuss. So I want to talk about stok moot.
Speaker 2: And there was just that documentary that came out I
Speaker 2: think on HBO about that. I haven't got a chance
Speaker 2: to see it yet. But back to fifth generational warfare,
Speaker 2: psychological warfare, disinformation, if you will, I'm curious your thoughts
Speaker 2: on how do we as individuals, as citizens, how do
Speaker 2: we navigate that and protect ourselves? Like the old world
Speaker 2: seemed like the problem was how do I get the information? Today?
Speaker 2: I have too much information, so the skill sets have
Speaker 2: most likely changed. But one thing that I've seen is
Speaker 2: like it's a cognitive dissidence, and if I believe that
Speaker 2: to be true, everything else I know has to be false.
Speaker 2: And so I see, seemingly maybe a mistake a lot
Speaker 2: of people who once they start to see these conspiracies
Speaker 2: being true, then everything's a conspiracy, and then they go
Speaker 2: too far the other way. And there's certainly people on
Speaker 2: both sides of this, right, people that just believe everything
Speaker 2: on TV and people who think everything's a psyop. And
Speaker 2: usually it's probably something in the middle. So I'm curious
Speaker 2: kind of how you think through that, how do you
Speaker 2: protect yourself from that, how do you navigate that? How
Speaker 2: do you find truth? And things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question actually, because I've always wanted
Speaker 1: how I get to where I'm at at certain points,
Speaker 1: And honestly, the best answer I have for that is
Speaker 1: have a lot of different people that have different opinions,
Speaker 1: Like you don't always have to surround yourself with everybody
Speaker 1: that thinks the same way as you. So I have
Speaker 1: liberal friends, right, I have conservative friends, I have libertarian friends,
Speaker 1: I have military friends, and so I try to get
Speaker 1: all their perspectives and I try to build my own
Speaker 1: mosaic based on intuition and based on what I think
Speaker 1: is best in the harmonics of natural law, right, Like,
Speaker 1: and I also try to take take anything that any
Speaker 1: professional organization at some level and just completely ignore it,
Speaker 1: Like take everything you've known and just try to ignore
Speaker 1: it and try to start fresh. And that's not really
Speaker 1: easy to do. But like, how many times have we
Speaker 1: heard mark that eating red meat is bad for you?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: How many times have we heard that eating butter and
Speaker 1: salt is bad for you?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And you know that's now, that's like kind of like
Speaker 1: not true low fat is good for you. No fat
Speaker 1: is good for you, right, and so we need cholesterol
Speaker 1: and so you know, it's kind of a hard but
Speaker 1: sometimes you just got to reset, you know.
Speaker 3: And I've tried to reset.
Speaker 1: I've done things like fasting, doing things to where it's
Speaker 1: the old world stuff where they used to fast for
Speaker 1: a few days and then you know, eat eat raw
Speaker 1: food or that that sort of thing. So I think
Speaker 1: like honestly surrounding yourself with the most diverse group of
Speaker 1: friends you could find and then building your own mosaic
Speaker 1: inside of that, I think is probably the best way
Speaker 1: to do it. Because if you're surrounding yourself with just
Speaker 1: people that think the way you do, you're not going
Speaker 1: to ever see like what is on that other side
Speaker 1: and what are the knowledge you could gain? And so
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing that people should do,
Speaker 1: is surround themselves with people that have different different values
Speaker 1: and different opinions, and that way you can learn from them.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying, you know, if they're totally against
Speaker 1: your values, you should hang out with them, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, have a diverse set of friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would add on to that, like
Speaker 2: one sort of understanding things that their base, So like
Speaker 2: first principles level, so if you can break that complex
Speaker 2: I did down to the first principal's level and then
Speaker 2: ultimately thinking through second, third, fourth, fifth order, thinking, so,
Speaker 2: welfare is great, we want to support these like single
Speaker 2: mothers working from home, these people that can't get jobs, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that sounds like a pretty good idea.
Speaker 2: But then what well, then if we provide this net
Speaker 2: where people don't have to work, then people get lazy,
Speaker 2: and then what well, then they breed other generations through
Speaker 2: they know, and then what right? And if you think
Speaker 2: through these things second, third, fourth, I think you get
Speaker 2: to that as well.
Speaker 3: What about.
Speaker 2: In misinformation disinformation? I think many people are participating in
Speaker 2: that without knowing it. I get sent stuff all the
Speaker 2: time in my DMS, people's afford me videos and reels
Speaker 2: and tiktoks or whatever they are, and even even people
Speaker 2: I know like send me stuff and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: can't show I don't know if that's true or not,
Speaker 2: and like some times I'm like, well, let me do
Speaker 2: my own research into it, right, And so seemingly there's
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that comes across that seems very real,
Speaker 2: but it's not. I'm just curious sort of like your
Speaker 2: own personal philosophy on that, Like do you just like, hey,
Speaker 2: this seems real to me based off of what I know,
Speaker 2: let me share this, or do you like, let me
Speaker 2: do a little bit of research into this, or kind
Speaker 2: of how do you think through that?
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like halfway. I try to take things
Speaker 1: that make sense. First of all that common sense like
Speaker 1: would this happen in a normal scenario? Right, And so
Speaker 1: half of it it's easily thrown away. So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, that's interesting, I'll look at it a
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit deeper. Like I was at
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, right, I was in the Las Vegas shooting.
Speaker 1: My buddy got shot in the leg, right, But I
Speaker 1: knew the story they were telling was false. Like I
Speaker 1: knew there was there.
Speaker 3: I was there. I knew there wasn't.
Speaker 1: One guy in a tower shooting the people. I knew
Speaker 1: there was something else going on, probably multiple shooters, right,
Speaker 1: And so I knew immediately that that was fake and
Speaker 1: what I experienced was real. And so in trying to
Speaker 1: decipher and discern what is real and what is not real,
Speaker 1: it's not easy.
Speaker 3: It's not easy at all.
Speaker 1: A lot of it comes from like I like to
Speaker 1: talk about mathematics. I try to bring everything back to mathematics,
Speaker 1: which is which is bitcoin? Right, Like, if it passes
Speaker 1: the mathematical test of being true, then it's probably true. Right,
Speaker 1: So like if Sailor says something, or Trump says something,
Speaker 1: or you know, I try to take it with a filter,
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, this is a bitcoin guy, this is
Speaker 1: a politician. Look at it from their lens. Who benefits
Speaker 1: if this comes true? Who benefits if it doesn't come true?
Speaker 1: But I try to game it out. I try to
Speaker 1: money Carlos scenario everything. If it's important and I really
Speaker 1: want to be interested in it, I try to money
Speaker 1: Carlo scenario, like, what are the benefits to me if
Speaker 1: I if I do, you know, promote this message or
Speaker 1: the negative effects.
Speaker 3: If it's not.
Speaker 1: Does it promote freedom, does it promote you know, sovereignty,
Speaker 1: Does it promote good or does it promote violence? If
Speaker 1: it promotes violence, it's it's put completely into the trash.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, And so I think people need to have
Speaker 1: those basic filters up because if it's promoting something that's
Speaker 1: too good to be true, if it's promoting violence, right,
Speaker 1: those are things I think you need to immediately just
Speaker 1: dismiss and just move on to the next thing, because
Speaker 1: there are a lot of cults out there that will.
Speaker 3: Get you to do stupid things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, I mean, I've been in this
Speaker 1: information for a long time and it yeah, trust me.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, because it's it's a new war, it's fifth
Speaker 2: generational warfare, and it's being waged on us, the citizens, citizenry,
Speaker 2: and we don't we're not equipped, We're not equipped to
Speaker 2: handle that well.
Speaker 1: And I think people need to understand what a buy
Speaker 1: camera vision of things are as well. Like certain things
Speaker 1: can be true and not true at the same time,
Speaker 1: but they can still lead you to a correct, you know,
Speaker 1: a correct like interpretation of what's happening. Right, And I
Speaker 1: think I think, you know, if you put those hats
Speaker 1: on of like I think it's something can be right
Speaker 1: and wrong at the same time. But like understanding a
Speaker 1: bigger picture for something is that.
Speaker 2: Like it could be good and bad at the same time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, for instance, for instance, you take like
Speaker 1: you know, like Trump, Okay, a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: like him, some people like him. I'm a big Trump
Speaker 1: supporter myself, But you know, a lot of people think like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the election was right, okay, and that yeah,
Speaker 1: it probably was some set in some sense, it maybe was.
Speaker 1: But at the other thing, like maybe he allowed it
Speaker 1: to happen, right, Maybe he allowed it to happen to
Speaker 1: expose corruption, okay, And so you can have a vision
Speaker 1: that says says, yeah, well maybe he didn't. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was part of that reasoning for it was to expose
Speaker 1: what's happening right now because had we not known of
Speaker 1: the level of corruption, had maybe he.
Speaker 2: Won again, that's like that's like forty chess, yeah, forty
Speaker 2: five d chess.
Speaker 1: Right, But at the same time, like it's still a
Speaker 1: bigger vision that allows you to be like, no, he's bad,
Speaker 1: he's part of the deep state, like you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, like let's let's I see that.
Speaker 2: Like I think about that like with like I think
Speaker 2: about it, like where things can be good and bad
Speaker 2: at the same time, and people can be good and
Speaker 2: bad at the same time. So elon Musk, right, he's
Speaker 2: standing in the face of the world for you know,
Speaker 2: an open platform to talk. But there's also a lot
Speaker 2: of things that he's done that that also do scare me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know Malay down in Argentina, Like he's seemingly done
Speaker 2: amazing things and he seems to be pro libertarian, and
Speaker 2: then what about the ties to the Jews, state or
Speaker 2: the WF or or whatever it is. And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: that could both be true. Maybe he is part of
Speaker 2: those groups, whatever those groups you think is, and he's
Speaker 2: also doing good things there and maybe ultimately he does
Speaker 2: good things that end up being bad and we'll figure
Speaker 2: that out when we get there. But like I can
Speaker 2: just be happy to accept that. And that's one thing
Speaker 2: that I see a lot. We talked before we started recording,
Speaker 2: talking about you know, old content I've done, talking about
Speaker 2: the World Docomic Forum and clos Schwab and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and how it attracts a certain amount of people, a
Speaker 2: certain type of people who are who have this victim
Speaker 2: mentality and it's not really everybody's fault. Part of the
Speaker 2: fifth generational warfare is to demoralize people. So this has
Speaker 2: purposely been done to us, to demoralize us and put
Speaker 2: us into that woe is me? Why even try sort
Speaker 2: of a attitude. But the problem that I see is
Speaker 2: that people have become so demoralized they can't take a
Speaker 2: win no matter what. And it was like when and
Speaker 2: really this hit me across the eyes when in Mila
Speaker 2: one in Argentina and it was like if he lost,
Speaker 2: it was like, oh see, we're never gonna win. We're
Speaker 2: never they're never gonna let us have it. But then
Speaker 2: he did win, and it's like, oh, he's a deep state.
Speaker 2: It's like take a win man, like you know. So
Speaker 2: it's it's yeah, it's a new level of warfare that
Speaker 2: we just haven't been equipped for.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with that Moss Saila recently
Speaker 1: right where you know he talks about you know, being
Speaker 1: in bed with the banks and stuff, but also like
Speaker 1: self custodial big one and they all like jumped on
Speaker 1: him for that. And so look, I think you need
Speaker 1: to understand the bigger picture of there are certain players
Speaker 1: that are moving humanity's overtin window towards peace, freedom and sovereignty.
Speaker 1: And there's still have to have one step in this
Speaker 1: old clown world to get us there, right, like a
Speaker 1: Michael Sailor, like a Javeyer and Malay, like a Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: to wear like an Elon Musk okay to where they're
Speaker 1: doing things that on one level may seem oh my god,
Speaker 1: like we're totally screwed, and then the other hand, they're
Speaker 1: doing something that's totally you know, freedom, sovereignty, peace, and
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, well, like how do I how do I?
Speaker 1: You know, just you can like this and not like
Speaker 1: that exactly, but you can see a bigger vision I
Speaker 1: think moving forward, Like, what do we have now? We
Speaker 1: have completely decentralized internet in space?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: And so is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Speaker 1: Probably a good thing. Right, He's putting micro chips in
Speaker 1: people's brain.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 1: We don't maybe we don't like that, But he's also
Speaker 1: solving people that forever.
Speaker 2: If they could just give me Spanish man, I'd be
Speaker 2: so happy with.
Speaker 3: That, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I look at it from those ways. And
Speaker 1: I also think that there's something very special about Elon
Speaker 1: Tesla and Trump. I think it should be noted that
Speaker 1: Trump's uncle was one of the first people that actually
Speaker 1: had access to Tesla's files back when he died, back
Speaker 1: in New York when he was working on the Manhattan Project, right.
Speaker 2: Not Tesla the automobile Tesla, the original inventor.
Speaker 3: Nicola Tesla correct. So John G.
Speaker 1: Trump, Trump's uncle actually had first access to all of
Speaker 1: his files. He worked for MIT, worked for the FBI,
Speaker 1: and he was able to get all that information whatever
Speaker 1: it was there. And I think some of this Tesla
Speaker 1: technology is literally kind of this slow role military Tesla
Speaker 1: te technology that's kind of been hidden from us, you know.
Speaker 1: And if we talk about like bitcoin as this global
Speaker 1: energy system, right because bitcoin is backed by energy, we're
Speaker 1: actually forcing the world to find the cheapest ways.
Speaker 3: To produce power.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if we if we continue down that thread
Speaker 1: of hey, everybody in the world, like, let's compete who
Speaker 1: can find the cheapest way to like produce power, I
Speaker 1: think eventually we get to like this free energy, right
Speaker 1: because if everybody's doing it, and then we have this
Speaker 1: global currency that everybody wants, everybody's finding the cheapest way
Speaker 1: to you know, you figure out maybe ColdFusion, these different
Speaker 1: things are bringing nuclear plants, but nuclear plants back online.
Speaker 1: At the end of that, like Jason Laurie said, you
Speaker 1: get like literally free energy after a hash war because
Speaker 1: everybody is going to want this very scarce digital asset
Speaker 1: that you can only get by plugging in real power
Speaker 1: to computers and making them run. Yeah, so there's a
Speaker 1: lot kind of baked into that. But I think, you know,
Speaker 1: people need to look at more of this forty thousand
Speaker 1: foot view to where we can see the good people
Speaker 1: and bad people. But like at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: the good people are winning. I think it's the bottom
Speaker 1: line there.
Speaker 2: Let's jump into a final topic. I want to talk
Speaker 2: about Satoi Nakamoto. So I know, like I said, I
Speaker 2: know you have some interesting ideas. We haven't really had
Speaker 2: a chance to talk about that or discuss it. Recently,
Speaker 2: there was a documentary that came out on HBO and
Speaker 2: they unveiled who they thought it was. I forget exactly
Speaker 2: who this. Peter Todd. Yeah, yeah, I was interviewed for
Speaker 2: a documentary about Satotion Nakamoto. I didn't have anything super
Speaker 2: interesting to say, more than anybody else has anything to say.
Speaker 2: You know, I think I think it's a good thing
Speaker 2: that we don't know whose Stasi Nakamoto is, and I
Speaker 2: hope that we never do know forty number of reasons.
Speaker 2: But let's hear your theory. Maybe have you seen the
Speaker 2: documentary first of all, Yeah, I did see the documentary.
Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts on that? Do you agree?
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, I think.
Speaker 1: The documentary was most most likely you know a lot
Speaker 1: of I mean, there were some good parts of it,
Speaker 1: like people that didn't know about bitcoin, it was good
Speaker 1: for them to learn about it. But I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it gave you a bad conclusion.
Speaker 1: Right of this this random Jude Peter Todd and funny
Speaker 1: enough Mark you know who. The other documentary that gentleman
Speaker 1: did was what was it about?
Speaker 3: It was about Q.
Speaker 1: And on it was and it said, you know, this
Speaker 1: documentary guy said we found the entity known as Q
Speaker 1: and like they were able to figure it out, which
Speaker 1: was also bullshit.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I mean my kind.
Speaker 1: Of thesis on what who are they Satoshinakamoto is is
Speaker 1: is like a good guy military white hat operation probably
Speaker 1: you know that was somewhere inside the United States military, Okay.
Speaker 1: And I based that on the fact that, well, every
Speaker 1: piece of Bitcoin's architecture is US nuclear proof military technology GPS. Right,
Speaker 1: our entire global economy runs on GPS.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: The time stamps are super important not only for location,
Speaker 1: but to keep everything in sync, right, to keep our
Speaker 1: supply chains and sync to keep you know, cars on
Speaker 1: the road. All these different things are ran by GPS.
Speaker 1: We can do nothing without GPS. And GPS was initially
Speaker 1: put out, as you know, for nuclear weapons, okay, but
Speaker 1: that timing system has gone down to the to the
Speaker 1: commercial level to where everybody uses it every day. You've
Speaker 1: got SHOT two fifty six created by the NSA. You've
Speaker 1: got uh tour Browser, which is actually the created by
Speaker 1: the Navy to protect service members overseas. If you think
Speaker 1: about miners in the early days, right, people may be
Speaker 1: scared of this network. They were totally anonymous. You didn't
Speaker 1: know where they were, so being hidden from a digital
Speaker 1: footprint was important. You also have TCPIP, DARPA, right, the
Speaker 1: decentralized Internet that if something got cut off, you could
Speaker 1: still communicate with each other. And so each piece of
Speaker 1: these is actually you know, military technology. And so when
Speaker 1: people say, oh, the CIA invented it, well, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, and the.
Speaker 3: CIA is bad. Well okay, yeah, we'll prove it to me.
Speaker 1: Right, Why would they produce something that is open source
Speaker 1: that they don't have control over, that is completely permissionless,
Speaker 1: you know, and you look at the architecture, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard people say that, well they created it
Speaker 2: just to get everybody into a CBDC and it's like,
Speaker 2: well they should have probably created something crappy. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a different they should have created something bad, and that's
Speaker 2: something good, you know.
Speaker 1: Exactly so, and I also altered into kind of the
Speaker 1: Q thing. Now the you thing is is this is
Speaker 1: this group of whatever these posts were made back in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, okay, and so these were randomized information posts.
Speaker 1: They were like a socratic method of just dropping information.
Speaker 1: And what they did was they forced people to go
Speaker 1: out and research stuff like that's what I went out
Speaker 1: and started researching.
Speaker 3: When I when when Vegas happened.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is false, this is false.
Speaker 1: But this guy is at least saying something that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And so what I did was, well, what anybody could
Speaker 1: do is actually go look at them yourself, and you
Speaker 1: can prove mathematically that whoever this entity was, because nobody
Speaker 1: knows who it was. Still the mathematical proofs inside the
Speaker 1: coincidences inside of those posts are mathematically impossible, just like
Speaker 1: your you know, your chance at guessing a Bitcoin private
Speaker 1: key and so what I think of bitcoin is bitcoiners
Speaker 1: is like mathematical maxis they know that, like this is
Speaker 1: based upon math. And so if I can show you
Speaker 1: something that is literally mathematical proven, like you can't really
Speaker 1: deny it because the mathematics is what is what's important.
Speaker 1: And so if you kind of combine these two anonymous entities, right,
Speaker 1: one was kind of built more of like a decentralization
Speaker 1: of the media because ninety percent of our media complex
Speaker 1: was like owned by you know, six different corporations who
Speaker 1: like literally spit the same message. You know, this is
Speaker 1: dangerous to our democracy. I think everybody's heard that clip.
Speaker 1: And so this actually forced individuals to go out and
Speaker 1: research a lot of these topics like Epstein Island, right,
Speaker 1: like big pharma, like central bankers, and then those citizen
Speaker 1: journalists actually put out content on Twitter. I was part
Speaker 1: of a group that we had over a billion hits
Speaker 1: a month until we all got kicked off. And so
Speaker 1: we decentralized truth in a way that was not possible
Speaker 1: before because of the mainstream media. Memes. Memes are so important,
Speaker 1: right because they cut to the truth without having to
Speaker 1: explain it to someone.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You see Hunter Biden with a crack pipe, like you
Speaker 1: don't have to know, like you explain it behind that, right,
Speaker 1: And so I think the military memetics, I think this
Speaker 1: information decentralization drop, and I think bringing in this new
Speaker 1: foundational current and are not a coincidence. And so you know,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? I don't really know. I just
Speaker 1: think that I know that there are possibly good guys
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. And if you go back to counterinsurgency,
Speaker 1: it talks about a military and a civilian alliance.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The military is not just going to come in and
Speaker 1: like save everybody, like, oh hey, we're gonna come kick
Speaker 1: all the bad guys out. Here's your freedom back, right,
Speaker 1: But if you give the populace the tools to allow
Speaker 1: them to free themselves and maybe protect the back doors,
Speaker 1: like protect like civil war, protect full on thermonuclear global
Speaker 1: worldwide war, right, protect those like types of red lines
Speaker 1: to where we can like wake people up and kind
Speaker 1: of force them to the exit in a manageable way
Speaker 1: and a transition. I think it's absolutely clear that there
Speaker 1: is a plan behind some of this and that people
Speaker 1: need to actually learn about it and then take it
Speaker 1: by the bullhorns.
Speaker 2: So if I'm trying to understand what you're saying here,
Speaker 2: You're saying that you think Satoshinakamoto could be somebody inside
Speaker 2: like a state actor who worked for maybe one of
Speaker 2: the intelligence agencies.
Speaker 1: I think it could be just a couple of patriots,
Speaker 1: a group of patriots that put this plan.
Speaker 2: Together, like just citizens who want to remain anonymous.
Speaker 1: I think it's more like deep inside our military. Like
Speaker 1: I think there's like groups of people inside of our military,
Speaker 1: inside of special Forces, inside of there's a branch called
Speaker 1: the seven hundred and eightieth Military Intelligence Plant Branch. There's
Speaker 1: a couple of different branches that are kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to like say it's a specific person.
Speaker 1: I just know that the intentions of the individuals that
Speaker 1: put this together were trying to usher in a new
Speaker 1: freedom for humanity. And it wasn't some random guyness basement, right,
Speaker 1: So like the technology that was the way it was built,
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of passes that sniff test to
Speaker 1: being like, hey, like there was probably something more going
Speaker 1: on here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, I've often talked about when when people say, oh,
Speaker 2: the government's going to make it illegal, and I'm like
Speaker 2: the government as it's as if it's a monolith, right,
Speaker 2: as if it's not full of lots of different people
Speaker 2: with lots of different ideologies and stuff. And I believe
Speaker 2: there's tons of patriots that work inside the government. And
Speaker 2: you know, there's plenty of people, certainly we know Elizabeth
Speaker 2: Warren and Greyginz that would love to shut it down.
Speaker 2: But there's certainly other people like Patrick McHenry, the head
Speaker 2: of the Financial Service Commande, who runs the white Paper
Speaker 2: in his office, right. And so I would imagine in
Speaker 2: the CIA or the NSA or whatever agency you want
Speaker 2: to think about, there's probably people who are oblivious to
Speaker 2: what they're doing. Some people probably know who they're doing,
Speaker 2: and then some people probably don't like it. They're the whistleblowers,
Speaker 2: if you will, and there maybe would be willing to
Speaker 2: leak some of that information. We have whistleblowers all the time,
Speaker 2: coming up more and more often, all being prosecuted by
Speaker 2: the way. Obama promised to not prosecute whistleblowers, but they're
Speaker 2: all getting jail time now. But if you think about
Speaker 2: these whistle blowers, it's sort of like if you were
Speaker 2: in the NSA or CIA or whatever it is, maybe
Speaker 2: the whistleblower is like, hey, I could see what's happening.
Speaker 2: Here's a little bit of code. Yeah, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: leak this a little bit of code just so that
Speaker 2: we can sort of have this life raft backdoor whatever
Speaker 2: safety exit kind of thing. Okay, makes sense. I've often
Speaker 2: thought that may make sense, but yeah, it doesn't help
Speaker 2: identify who it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Trump was a big part of
Speaker 1: it as well to some degree. I think if you
Speaker 1: look back at his actions of Trump during his can
Speaker 1: entering his presidency.
Speaker 2: With bitcoin in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: No, with bitcoin, like just the frame that Trump was
Speaker 1: in during his tenure as president, Like he knew about bitcoin,
Speaker 1: and he he is, I think underhandedly a bitcoin maximalist.
Speaker 1: He just hasn't really shown it yet. But he did
Speaker 1: things specifically to get us to where we're at today,
Speaker 1: like hiring Brian Brooks from as chairman of the OCC right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: instituting bitcoin standard, going after Ripple, his sec went after
Speaker 1: Ripple during the you know twenty sixteen or whatever, creating
Speaker 1: Space force, right that allowed us to actually build this
Speaker 1: other military branch in space, you know, that protects the networks,
Speaker 1: that protects the ATMs, that protects GPS, and so there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that I think he did that
Speaker 1: help us get to this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome. Well, we don't know who's so she is
Speaker 2: and you'll probably never know, and I hope we don't.
Speaker 2: We're gonna wrap it up with that. Garrett g Money,
Speaker 2: host of the rug Pull Radio, tell us about rug
Speaker 2: Pull Radio and however else people should catch up with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah great, So rug Pull Radio. We're on Rumble every
Speaker 1: Thursday night at ten thirty pm Eastern. We combine a
Speaker 1: lot of these topics of bitcoin, Q Trump, Pepe the Frog.
Speaker 1: We get into like some conspiracy theories, but we're a
Speaker 1: bitcoin show. We're, you know, just talking about just a
Speaker 1: couple of guys talking about bitcoin, what's happening in the news,
Speaker 1: and so we like to dig inside of these different
Speaker 1: rabbit holes to like see how far we can get
Speaker 1: in what we can expose. Also on Twitter, x's g
Speaker 1: Money Pepe and so Pepe the Frog is kind of
Speaker 1: a unique thing because of the memetics behind it. And
Speaker 1: I wrote this interesting paper called Coofefe that actually talks
Speaker 1: about how maybe some of the numerology actually ties into
Speaker 1: a lot of the Bitcoin protocol and part.
Speaker 3: Of this plant.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a fun rabbital if you're interested.
Speaker 2: Cool, We'll put all those links in the show notes
Speaker 2: down below. In that, let's wrap it up.
Speaker 3: Thanks Girl, Thanks Mark,