1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Thursday edition of the Clay Travis 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: en Buck Sexton Show, and much to discuss with all 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: of you. We're back from Fort Wyn, Indiana, where we 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: were yesterday. Who WO Land had a great time there. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Thank you all for coming out for the live show. 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Thank you all for listening in the Greater Indiana area, 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: because of course WO WO reaches far and wide in 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: the wo's your state and it was a great time. 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. Let's look at what we have 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: on the docket for you all today. Why is Abigail 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Spanberger having trouble in Virginia? The best answer, some people 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: are saying, the best answer you're gonna hear anywhere, the 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: most hilarious. We will get to that in a bit. 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: That Virginia governor's race, of course, very important. More updates 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: on Kami Mamdani in New York City and what is 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: going on there. Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, talks 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: about his view of blowing up these Narco boats. We've 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: got the military going kinetic on Narco boats off the 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: coast of Venezuela in international waters, and we shall discuss 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,639 Speaker 1: that a little more attention being paid to what's getting 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of this whole shutdown fight, including the 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: cost of healthcare, which I really hope people will start 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: to pay more attention to. But we're going to dive 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: into something else here for a moment. I was watching 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: this morning, I was I was getting prepton. I flew 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: flew back home. Howd you get to the Nashville By 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: the way, Nashville Airport is so civilized. It's such a 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: nice airport, great airport. Miami Airport is trash. I love Miami, 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: I love Florida. Miami Airport, Miaport is trash. Anyway, Nashville 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: Airport lovely civilized. There's you know, practically a bluegrass band. 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: Actually sometimes there is a blue grass band just playing 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: whenever you walk around there, hanging out. But I was 33 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: flying back this morning and I saw this story, and 34 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: I watched some of this press conference, and I was like, 35 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: oh boy, this is like Clay Travis OutKick def Con one. 36 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: This is a thing, the NBA betting scandal. Let's just 37 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: start this off, Clay, before you take us on a 38 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: whirlwind tour of all the madness. FBI director Cash Patel 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: announcing these arrests the betting scandal the mobs involved, oh 40 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: my play one. 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: As you now know, individuals such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones, 42 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: and Terry Rozier were taking into custody today former current 43 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: NBA players and coaches. What you don't know is that 44 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation 45 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: that span the course of years. The FBI led a 46 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: coordinative takedown across eleven states to arrest over thirty individuals 47 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing. 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: The men and women that are standing up here today 49 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: worked tireless hours, days, months, and years, and the fraud 50 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: is mind boggling. It's not hundreds of dollars, it's not 51 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: thousands of dollars. It's not tens of thousands of dollars. 52 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: It's not even millions of dollars. We're talking about tens 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: of millions of dollars in fraud and theft and robbery 54 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: across a multi year investigation. 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: Clay, I got to ask you, because I've already had 56 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: three people ask me to ask you, as I've asked 57 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: walking my dog on the street. What does Clay think 58 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: about the betting scandal? Clay take it away, all. 59 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: Right, So this is like maybe my most epic wheelhouse. 60 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 3: I've been on Fox News all morning and uh I 61 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 3: watched and listened to the entire cash Ptel press conference. 62 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 3: So let me break it down for you twofold And 63 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: by the way, some of you may have questions about 64 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: this because I think this is going to be one 65 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: of those stories that it connects everywhere because some of 66 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: the details are just so crazy. So let me let 67 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: me break it down for you. Basically, the FBI announced 68 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: two different indictments which were interconnected. The first one it 69 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 3: feels like a movie. The mafia was rigging potoker games 70 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 3: and they were using some of the details here buck 71 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: contact lenses that could look through cards X ray machines 72 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: to know what cards were coming. There were cameras in chandeliers, 73 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 3: and they were using what they called face cards. These 74 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: are famous guys. Imagine they're almost all men to draw 75 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: in the card players, the poker players, and one of 76 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,119 Speaker 3: them was Chauncey Billups. Allegedly the head coach right now 77 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 3: was of the Portland Trailblazers who was arrested early this morning. 78 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: So this is the mafia, which we haven't heard a 79 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 3: lot about for a long time. Rigging these high end 80 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 3: poker games. They said the amounts of lost money were 81 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: in the tens of millions of dollars. One guy lost 82 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 3: one point eight million dollars in one game. I bet 83 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: I bet that we have listeners right now who were 84 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: in these games. I bet I'm just gonna I'm just 85 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 3: gonna toss it out there and that some of these 86 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 3: high end poker games, you guys went and you thought, man, 87 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: I just I really had a rough night. 88 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 4: You know. 89 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: No, No, you were the fish, you were the rich guy. 90 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 3: Probably almost all men that they brought in and they 91 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: rigged these games. Okay, there is a man named Damon Jones, 92 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 3: former coach and player in the NBA, who was charged 93 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: alongside of Chauncey Billups in this case. And then there 94 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: was he was the lynchpin to a second case which 95 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: had to do with brazen sports corruption and insider betting scandal. 96 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: Do we have Jess Tish because this really kind of 97 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: sums up the NBA side. She said that Terry Rosier, 98 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 3: an NBA basketball player right now buck for your Miami Heat, 99 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: who was previously playing for the Charlotte Hornets, he told 100 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 3: everybody he was going to leave a game early, left 101 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 3: after only nine minutes. There were two hundred thousand dollars 102 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 3: wagered on him not achieving the numbers that were prop 103 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: betted for that particular game, points, rebounds, assist, and they said. 104 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 3: The proceeds were then delivered to his house where they 105 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 3: counted the two hundred thousand dollars in cash. Now we 106 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: have that cut three. Listen to this and I'll give 107 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: you a take on a couple of different angles here. 108 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 5: In some instances, players altered their performance or took themselves 109 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 5: out of games to make sure that those bets paid out. 110 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 5: One example occurred on March twenty third, twenty twenty three, 111 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 5: in Charlotte. Terry Rogier, an NBA player now with the 112 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 5: Miami Heat but at the time playing for the Hornets, 113 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 5: allegedly let others close to him know that he planned 114 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 5: to leave the game early with a supposed injury. Using 115 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 5: that information, the group placed more than two hundred thousand 116 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 5: dollars in wagers on his under statistics. Rosier exited the 117 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 5: game after just nine minutes, and those bets paid out, 118 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 5: generating tens of thousands of dollars in profit. The proceeds 119 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 5: were later delivered to his home where the group counted 120 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 5: their cash. As the NBA season tips off, his career 121 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 5: is already benched, not for injury but for integrity. 122 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, what is your takeaway? Buck? Can I ask? Yes? 123 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: I feel like the kid in the classroom, like I 124 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: have questions. I have questions. Okay, how much money does 125 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: this guy Rosier make? Because NBA salaries I'll tell you 126 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: twenty six point six million dollars this year. So this 127 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: is an epically dumb decision that is potentially going to 128 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: put in behind bars and make him basically what he 129 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: makes on an average NBA game. Thank you. This is 130 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: this is what I was wondering about because to me, okay, 131 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: so it is mind blowingly stupid, mind blowingly stupid. Forget 132 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: about the integrity and all that that's that's baked into this. 133 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: We of course, no, you shouldn't do this, but you're 134 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: gonna risk a twenty six million dollar made salary for 135 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 1: two hundred is like twenty four thousand dollars per game 136 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: right now, Buck? So he risked basically one half of 137 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: a game salary, one half of one game salary, uh, 138 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: for to lose all of it. Astonishing, astonishing, It's I 139 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 1: don't even know what to say. I that's one of 140 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: the dumbest criminal capers I've heard in a very long time. 141 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: Yes, and and look, uh, I've got so many takes 142 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: on this. I mean, I'll hold it up for people 143 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 3: watching on video. I mean I was watching this press 144 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: conference live and my jaw just kept dropping the detail 145 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: of the ways that they would rig these poker games. 146 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: I mean, if you put it in a movie, a 147 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 3: lot of us would say, there's no way that could 148 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 3: actually be true. And listen to it. I think we 149 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: have cut four. This is us Attorney Joseph Ncella might 150 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 3: be mispronouncing his game. Describing the way that they would 151 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: cheat in these poker games. 152 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 6: They used off the shelf shuffling machines that had been 153 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 6: secretly altered in order to read the cards in the deck, 154 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 6: predict which player at the table had the best poker hands, 155 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 6: and relay that information to an off site operator. Defendants 156 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 6: used other cheating technologies, such as poker chip tray analyzers, 157 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 6: which is a poker chip tray that secretly reads cards 158 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 6: using a hidden camera, special contact lenses or eyeglasses that 159 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 6: could read pre marked cards, and an X ray table 160 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 6: that could read cards face down. 161 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: On the table, Buck. 162 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 3: I mean, this is crazy stuff, and so I believe 163 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: what happened. This is my theory in general on watching 164 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: this press conference, is they became aware that mafia was 165 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: involved in rigging these games, and then based upon the 166 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 3: surveillance of the people who were involved in these games, 167 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 3: they were then able to find out that this NBA 168 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: rigging of individual bets may also have been going through 169 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: the lynchpin connector here, which was Damon Jones, who was 170 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 3: accused on both sides of this these charges. Remember when 171 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 3: they were bringing that preposterous Rico case against Trump in Atlanta, 172 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: and you and I were talking about how it was 173 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 3: absurd and Rico is really something that you think of 174 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 3: for cross state mafia illicit fraudulent activities. This to me 175 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: looks like a big Rico case, right, I mean, if 176 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: you're talking about the mo eleven six states, fixing games 177 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: in eleven different states, massive fraud, millions and millions of dollars, 178 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: And I know they've had dozen they've had dozens of 179 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: people already indicted. 180 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: Is that right over? 181 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: Thirty is the number of people that were indicted, One 182 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: current player, one current coach, one former coach, and player 183 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 3: connected to the NBA. 184 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: So now Clay was inescapable this morning, you know, I'm 185 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: making I'm making my crack at coffee. Clay's on the TV. 186 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm listening to this the radio, Clay's other talking about this. 187 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: So I have to ask you this. I'm sure others 188 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: have asked you. I haven't heard you address this one yet, though. 189 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: Do you think this is the tip of the iceberg 190 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: when it comes to this kind of fixing? Or is 191 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: this the worst of it? Have we already heard the 192 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: worst of it? Or is there more? 193 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: Well, some people don't like the fact that I like 194 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: sports gambling, and you're certainly entitled to that opinion, just 195 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: like some people don't like the fact that I like bourbon. 196 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 3: You know, I am a center when it comes to 197 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: two things like that. 198 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: I love to gamble, I like to have an occasional drink. 199 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: I actually think Buck that legalized gambling makes it more 200 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 3: likely that we catch people for this, because the sports 201 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: books who were described as victims here, the sports books 202 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: typically catch illegue, irregular wagering patterns. 203 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: Almost like stock market sec stuff, right like if someone 204 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: bets the farm the day before the big announcement comes out, 205 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: that's right that they can tell. 206 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 3: They caught an Alabama baseball coach, for instance, because he 207 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: had an associate allegedly going, I think to a Cincinnati, 208 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: Ohio sports book and bet try to bet a ton 209 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: of money on a random college baseball game, and they 210 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: just said, well, you know this, like it's one thing. 211 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: If you walk in and you say, hey, I want 212 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: to put five grand down on the super Bowl, that's 213 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: not an uncommon bet. 214 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: They wouldn't. It wouldn't raise eyebrows. 215 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: If you walk in and you say, hey, I want 216 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 3: to put five thousand dollars down in a random sports 217 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: book on a random college baseball. 218 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: Game, women's field hockey, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. 219 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: If you suddenly walked up and you're like, hey, I'm 220 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 3: gonna put one hundred and k on a WNBA game, 221 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: they would be like, hmm sorry. In other words, they 222 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: put limits in place. A lot of times you can't 223 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: get down the full amount of money that you do. 224 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: Therefore you try to go around to different books. Usually 225 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: it gets flagged, and that's why the line is adjusting constantly. Right, 226 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 3: there's a market, and if tons of sharp money they 227 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: call it comes in on one side or the other, 228 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: they wonder about injuries, they wonder about things like that. 229 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: I think what has. 230 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: Happened, Buck, is the sunshine of legalized sports gambling has 231 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: shown us how often, in my opinion, this has been 232 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: happening over the past several decades and not necessarily gotten 233 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 3: caught because there isn't a regulatory mechanism by which it 234 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: gets caught. Look, the sports books want games to be 235 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 3: on the up and up more than anybody because they 236 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: risk if there's a rig, They're the ones who are 237 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: risking the money oftentimes and being taken advantage of. 238 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: We'll get into more of this. I'm sure a lot 239 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: of you're gonna have some takes. 240 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: I'm curious what questions people have out there because this 241 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 3: is a crazy story. Well, what sports sports should be 242 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: an area where it's actually a totally fair market because 243 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 3: there's really no I mean, the teams are the teams, 244 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: so and no one knows what's gonna happen the posing forces, 245 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: so it's it's very clear fraud if somebody is affecting 246 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: that clear marketplace because of individual gain illicit profit. So 247 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: I totally see this as you know, if you have 248 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: laws against insider trading, you've got to have laws against 249 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: people shaving points or doing these prop out things. 250 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean, and I know we do, but I'm just 251 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: saying you have to enforce those laws too. Yeah, no doubt. 252 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: We'll talk about this. 253 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: I'm curious what questions you guys might have because this 254 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: is a crazy story. They're gonna make movies about this. 255 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: I mean, there's gonna be Netflix documentaries, there's gonna be 256 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: Netflix series. 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That's cozy arth dot com code Clay. 282 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 7: Making America great again isn't just one man, It's many. 283 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 7: The Team forty seven podcast Sunday's at noon Eastern in 284 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 7: the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the 285 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 7: iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. 286 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck here and we're talking 287 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: about this big sports story. Play is all over it. 288 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: Don't worry. It is as we say out kick Defcon 289 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: one over here is the big deal in the sports world. 290 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: Bringing a lot of things the mob sports, high tech frauds, 291 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: all all sorts of things. And here is the US 292 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: attorney who was making this announcement at the press conference saying, look, 293 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: you got to remember, the sports books are actually the 294 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: victims here Play five. 295 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: Did the illegal conduct cross with the legal sports betting 296 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 4: platforms in any capacity? And if so, is that the 297 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 4: search warrants that the police conditioner just reference. 298 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 8: I'm not sure I quite understand your question. You're asking 299 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 8: if the illegal conduct if. 300 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 4: It trusted with like the sports betting industry or the 301 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 4: online sports betting industry. 302 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 8: In these sports books themselves are victims in this case, 303 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 8: They at themselves did not as far as our investigation 304 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 8: has concluded, they did not perpetrate anything unlawful. 305 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: Can I just ask that? What does he mean? Give 306 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: me a little We only got like thirty seconds. But 307 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: how are they the victims here? I mean, I know 308 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: they didn't do anything wrong, but how are they victimized 309 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: in this? 310 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: Because the player rigged the game and they had to 311 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: pay out the winnings based on an improper effort and 312 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: illegal act by the players, So they had to pay 313 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 3: out to the betters who won the game, so they 314 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 3: lost all of the money. 315 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: So they think it's a ten to one that you're 316 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: taking and really it's not. 317 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, the game was rigged, I mean, and that's why 318 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 3: they were able to catch this. 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This is an interesting 338 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 3: take that I did not see coming. 339 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: Stephen A. 340 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 3: Smith on ESPN this is very funny too. While they 341 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 3: were talking about this case, they had a promo for 342 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 3: their ESPN gambling app at the bottom of the screen 343 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 3: offering people to sign up, which is again very funny 344 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: to me, and I get it. Some of you are like, oh, 345 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 3: I hate sports gambling. Like, I'll give you an example. 346 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 3: Katie just sent me a message. Have you considered the 347 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: example you are setting by supporting your family with sports 348 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 3: betting money. Katie is very angry. She sent me a 349 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: bunch of messages. I think that all of sports gambling, 350 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 3: or alcohol, or fatty foods for that matter, anything in 351 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: moderation I am in favor of. I like picking winners 352 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 3: in sports, and it makes to me sports more fun. Now, 353 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: there is a line between legal wagering and illegal wagering, 354 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: and obviously, according to the FBI, these guys have crossed it. 355 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 3: And I understand there's a religious element out there. Some people, 356 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 3: probably I don't know what percentage of this audience, A 357 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: lot of you wish alcohol was illegal still, and my 358 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 3: concern is if you go back and look and study 359 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: the history of prohibition. We actually created way more crime 360 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: than we prevented by keeping alcohol off the streets. And 361 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: it's fascinating eras of history. Go back and study all 362 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: of this. In my opinion, buck has been going on, 363 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 3: but it's been happening for decades without the bright light 364 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 3: of regulation being able to be shined on it. And 365 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: now we're catching people, and people are saying, oh my goodness, 366 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 3: Look there's illegality that's associated with sports. I mean it 367 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: started one hundred years ago with the White Sox. I 368 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 3: mean Pete Rose. When Pete Rose got caught gambling. Gambling 369 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: wasn't legal in this country, and so I think you're 370 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: more likely to catch it. But this is what a 371 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: ESPN said Steven A. Smith. 372 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: I haven't even heard this. I saw it trending. Stephen A. 373 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 3: Smith went on and drew a connection to Donald Trump 374 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: over these charges being brought. 375 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 9: Listen how many times, for one incident after another have 376 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 9: I said Trump is coming, He's coming. I'm gonna say 377 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 9: it on national television again. Bad Bunny is performing at 378 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 9: the Super Bowl, and all of a sudden you hear 379 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 9: in Ice is gonna be there looking to engage in 380 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 9: mass deportations. The Super Bowl, disrupting things big night for 381 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 9: the NBA when Beyonna put on a show that has 382 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 9: now been smeared because we're talking about this story. But 383 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 9: I've been saying he's coming. He's coming because in his eyes, 384 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 9: folks try to throw him in jail. In his eyes, 385 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 9: he's innocent. They try to put me behind balls. I'm 386 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 9: getting everybody, he's not playing, and so this in a 387 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 9: lot of people's eyes. Talk to people in the NBA, 388 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 9: talk to people in the NFL, talk to people in 389 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 9: the world of sports. They think this is like the 390 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 9: tip of the iceberg. These are the kind of words 391 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 9: that are coming out of people's mouths. It's not a surprise. 392 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 9: It's very disheartening, it's very concerning. We don't know where 393 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 9: this is going to go, but this is just the tip. 394 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: Of the iceberg. Everybody's been embracing themsels us. Okay, mister 395 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: stephen A has veered into my laid now because he 396 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: is invoking Trump's name and politics into this clay. Is 397 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: he suggesting that there wasn't fraudulent illegal gambling. Remember, there 398 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: are actual victims here, right, There are people who thought 399 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: that they were betting on a fair contest who lost 400 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: money because the contest was fixed. This is not okay, 401 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: that is that is fraud, right, and fraud, It's very 402 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: fraud goes right to uh, the our society. If we 403 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: don't have contracts that can be enforced, and if we 404 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: don't have a system that we can count on, whether 405 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: it's for stocks or for things like this, uh or 406 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, or for our business activities of any kind, 407 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: things get very ugly, very quickly. Is he suggesting that 408 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: this is somehow a Trump reprisal thing? 409 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 10: Though? 410 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: That's a bad that, mister steven A. It's a very 411 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: very bad take. I mean, this is a foolish and 412 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: silly take. Not not good. If he thinks he's gonna 413 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: run for president, this is the kind of thing. I'm 414 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: sure he's a great sports analyst, Clay, not a great 415 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: political analyst. This is not about Trump, Okay. So this 416 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: is a multi year investigation. First of all, if you listen, 417 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: you know a lot of the people of them. But 418 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: also they either did it or they didn't do it correct, 419 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: So this is right, Like, how does Trump didn't make 420 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: them do this? 421 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 3: I don't think Trump was involved in I don't think 422 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: this case is significant enough for Trump to have been 423 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 3: involved in it in any way. But but I do 424 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 3: think that this is a sign of Trump's power that 425 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 3: anything happens and people immediately point to him and say, hey, 426 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 3: this was this had Trump's fingerprints all over it. Look, 427 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 3: this is a what I think is potentially the tip 428 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: of the iceberg is I will just tell you. I'll 429 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 3: tell you right off top. I've been invited to super 430 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 3: high end poker games because people know I have money, 431 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: and they probably know all so that I'm not very 432 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: good at poker, and that makes me the fish in 433 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: this scenario. And you like to gamble, and I like 434 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: to gamble. I've never gone. I played poker Stars, you know, 435 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 3: or whatever it's called poker after Dark. I did a 436 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 3: celebrity poker with mister Beast and Ted Cruz, and that's 437 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 3: out there. And I enjoy occasionally playing poker, but I 438 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 3: don't want to play against card sharks who are infinitely 439 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 3: smarter than me. Where I think at poker, where I 440 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: think this is interesting buck is if you can lose 441 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: one point eight million dollars playing poker in one night, 442 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 3: as is alleged in this indictment, some of the guys 443 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 3: that were victimized here are super famous, I think, and 444 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: likely very very rich. And these kind of games are 445 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: happening all over the country with really rich guys. Primarily 446 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 3: some women play poker, but mostly it's the male sport 447 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 3: with really rich guys. And I think some people listening 448 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 3: to us right now who have played in these games. 449 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: Your eyebrows are going up because you're saying, wait a minute. 450 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 3: They used, according to this indictment, Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones, 451 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 3: who if you're a sports fan you would certainly know 452 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 3: Chauncey Billups may well know Damon Jones to try to 453 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: draw in famous guys. They said, this was eleven states. 454 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 3: The mafia may well be rigging a lot of private 455 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 3: poker games out there that have a lot of money 456 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 3: at stake. 457 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: And then this is what I'm asking you, is this 458 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: is this the beginning of that. I think, I think 459 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: this is very true. I think this could be very true. 460 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: I think there are guys out there listening who are like, 461 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: uh oh, because maybe you're paying, you know, you're playing 462 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: for thousands of dollars a night. Maybe some guys are 463 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: in hundreds of thousands of dollars where lots of money 464 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: swings hands, and I know they have these kind of 465 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: games in high end poker tables. Buck, I've seen fifty 466 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: thousand dollars hand face to face poker matches inside of 467 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: a casino, Like one guy's betting they're betting fifty thousand 468 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: dollars a poker hand against each other. So there are 469 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: lots of these super high end that are taking place 470 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: in casinos, and in theory, you would be somewhat confident 471 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: that they're not using X ray tables or contact the 472 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: lenses that allow you to be cheated in the poker 473 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: match at a casino. But I think these if the 474 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: mafia saw this, Buck, they saw how much money was involved, 475 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: and they started running the math on what if we 476 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: put these games on and we start taking our share 477 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: and then using the mafia to collect Because if the 478 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: guys you lose the money, you've got a dude showing 479 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: up who's different than your average poker player saying, hey, 480 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: where's the cash, buddy? Right, Well, that's where where this 481 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: becomes something that organized crime is going to be. You know, 482 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: views itself as having the end is one The risk 483 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: of doing these things illegally right, A lot of people 484 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: don't want to go to prison, and people who are 485 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: in an organized crime that's part of the that's part 486 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: of the uh, the life. 487 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 3: UH. 488 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: And then beyond that to use muscle to collect, right, 489 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: that's the other thing you can't you know, even if 490 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: if you lose money in a whole bunch of other capacities, 491 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: the worst thing could happens if someone takes you to court, 492 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: maybe bankruptcy, something like that. No one's allowed to show up, 493 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: no one's allowed to show up and break your kneecaps. Yes, 494 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: the mob does that. 495 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 3: That used to have debtor prisons back in the day, 496 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 3: and we found out that that was not a great 497 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 3: way to deal with show debt. 498 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: So uh. And I remember one of the guys I 499 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: work with the NYPD has been a career doing Russian 500 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: organized crime. I think I've talked about this a little 501 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: bit before in the show. So first of all, a 502 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: lot of Russian organized crime isn't even Russian. It's anybody 503 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: from you know, the guys could be from Turkmenistan or 504 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: or Albania and they'll say, you know, they'll be oh, 505 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: it's a Russian organized crime. Thing Like the way the reporters, 506 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: will we'll talk about it, or if there's any touch 507 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: because the Russian thing sound scary to people, but he 508 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: used to tell me that they they would be ex 509 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: ultra violent back in Russia because they could totally get 510 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: away with it. But in this country, they wanted to 511 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: run scams. They wanted to run health care frauds, they 512 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: wanted to run I knew this thing. I talked about 513 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: where they were doing the oil from the back of 514 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: the restaurants, the fry oil, millions of dollars because people 515 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: actually pay for that stuff and they would steal it 516 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: in the organized crime into that organized crime can. They 517 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: like to get into things where they're breaking the law 518 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: and making a lot of money, but they're not necessarily 519 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: leaving dead bodies because people when you leave a dead body, 520 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: people know. You take some guy, some super rich guy, 521 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: for a million dollars at a poker game, Clay. Maybe 522 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't even want to pursue it, you know. Maybe 523 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't. Maybe he's a famous person who doesn't want 524 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: it to be known. Maybe a whole bunch of things 525 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: can happen. Maybe he's embarrassed. Maybe wife doesn't know, maybe 526 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: kids don't know. That's why I think this is potentially 527 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. Also, they arrested over thirty people. 528 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: How many of those guys might roll over and give 529 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: up larger issues that are in play? Right if you're 530 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: suddenly Terry Rosier and you are looking at years in 531 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: prison and giving up your golden seat there at the 532 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: NBA or Chauncey Billups, do you know other guys that 533 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: maybe have engaged in behavior like this. I mean, again, 534 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: how many other poker matches like this? Let me just 535 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: toss this out there. The mafia doesn't invent an X 536 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: ray table card table and only use it one place. 537 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: I mean, if you've got contact lenses that allow you 538 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 3: to look and see cards, if you've got cameras and everything. 539 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 3: They weren't just doing this in New York City. They 540 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: found out, Hey, this is what this could be a 541 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: lot bigger. 542 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: And I also play think there's a lot more they're 543 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: going to find of people in the sports world who 544 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: were cheating too. I just think there's too much. There's 545 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: too much money, There's too much. 546 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: There's a lot of them on there's a lot of 547 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: morons again, risking your twenty six million dollar contract for 548 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 3: two hundred grand and prop payouts, that seems and only 549 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: doing it once that seems highly unlikely to me. 550 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: And uh, and again this is where the bright light shines. 551 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: So you don't think people were fixing other games though, No, no, 552 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: I do. 553 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 3: I'm saying it feels highly unlikely to me that you 554 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 3: just did this thing one time. 555 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, when you get. 556 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 3: Pulled over for speeding, what are the odds that that's 557 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: the only time you've spent in a month. 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Put 595 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 3: some energy back in your life at Chalk. 596 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 7: Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do 597 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 7: a lot of it with the Sunday Hang Join Clay 598 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 7: and Buck as they laugh it up in the Klay 599 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 7: and Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever 600 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 7: you get your podcasts. 601 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got a bunch 602 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: of calls here. We're talking a lot about this series 603 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: of big arrests. I do want to get in the 604 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: next hour into the latest on the Virginia governor's race 605 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: and also some of the shutdown theatrics. So we're going 606 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: to focus in on some of the politics here going 607 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: on today. But you had cash matel FBI director at 608 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: this big press conference, all these arrests. Even this is 609 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: Clay even I know who Chauncey Billups is, so. 610 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I mean seventeen year NBA veteran, NBA 611 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: Hall of Famer, I mean, current coach of the Portland 612 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 3: Trail Blazers. He is a super famous NBA star. Yeah, 613 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 3: so it's definitely definitely a big deal. Let's take some 614 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 3: calls here. Jim in Cincinnati, what's going on? 615 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: Jim? 616 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 10: I ain't claim fuck, it's pleasure to Polly, talk to 617 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 10: you guys. I retired from sports officiating about twelve years ago, 618 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 10: in twenty fourteen, and sports gambling was always part of 619 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 10: our yearly training, how to avoid, how to spot it, 620 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 10: you know, things like that that you know, we were 621 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 10: trying to always be on the up and up. And 622 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 10: I said, when this sports gambling became legalized, it was 623 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 10: gonna hurt the bookie, and it was gonna hurt the 624 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 10: mob and because they were behind all of that action 625 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 10: that was going on for the last seventy five years. Yeah, 626 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 10: and I have a feeling that, you know, these players 627 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 10: that got caught up in this racket probably got into 628 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 10: trouble with these mob bosses or some of these guys 629 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 10: that owed them. For him to win two hundred thousand dollars, 630 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 10: which is peanuts, he probably owed them a favor, said, Okay, 631 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 10: I'm gonna play these nine minutes and I'm gonna be 632 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 10: under under. He bet on it because he was calling 633 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 10: his uh, his proof of guys. Look, I'm gonna put 634 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 10: on this, but the mop and this is where Jash 635 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 10: mattelisavers tens of millions of dollars. The mob guys weren't 636 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 10: saying Okay, we're gonna get even and we're gonna get 637 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 10: our payday, and they were all betting heavy. 638 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is a great Uh, this is 639 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 3: a great call, and thank you for calling in. This 640 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 3: is why they flag irregular bet patterns. So to uh 641 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 3: was it Jim to the callers point that we just 642 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 3: had there, Pete Rose and a lot of you out there, 643 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 3: we're making illegal wagers with your bookies in the nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, 644 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 3: two thousands, even when technically sports gambling was illegal everywhere 645 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 3: basically except for Las Vegas. State of Nevada was Grandfather, 646 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 3: which was always strange in and of itself. You could 647 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 3: get on a plane and go place huge wagers in 648 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 3: Las Vegas or in Reno, but you couldn't do it 649 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: anywhere else in the country, which was why New Jersey 650 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 3: sued over this. 651 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: It's really just a cartel, Let's be honest. I mean, 652 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: when you just have one place that has control over 653 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: an industry, because it has control over the industry, it's 654 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: a cartel. 655 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 3: So they got that special cartel treatment and so here. 656 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 3: I don't know if that is true what our caller alleged. 657 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 3: It could be and that's always been the fear. But 658 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 3: the problem is you can't get down that much wager 659 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 3: on games that are not really big, like the super Bowl. 660 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,919 Speaker 3: I was using an example. Billions of dollars are bet 661 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 3: on the Super Bowl on a random Charlotte Hornet's prop 662 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 3: bet of how many points a player is going to 663 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: score on any given night. It's unlikely that there's much 664 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 3: more than a few hundred thousand dollars across all the 665 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 3: sportsbooks that you could even get down on that issue. 666 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: They will limit you, trust me, I know. So come 667 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: up here in a few minutes, let's dive into some 668 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: of the big races that are just weeks away from 669 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: being decided New Jersey, New Jersey governor's race, Virginia governor's race, 670 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: New York City mayor. In that Virginia race, I think 671 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: we might have the worst, the worst political analysis I've 672 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: ever heard on MSNBC. Clay almost as bad as Steven 673 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: A's take on Trump being behind these arrests today. It's 674 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: a really, really bad take. We'll come back to it 675 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: in a minute.