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Speaker 1: Back here for episode number seventy two of the mets

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Speaker 1: ub podcast. Of course, you're joined by your co host

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Speaker 1: Draffnick Mark Mark Luino here with James. I know Jeter

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Speaker 1: had no range talking about everything going on in the

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Speaker 1: New York Mets world. There's a few things. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we got a bullpend coach. The coaching staff is officially finished.

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Speaker 1: We got Craig Jornsen, Craig Jornson, not Bjornson Jornson. He's

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Speaker 1: just a real character. We're gonna go a little deep

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Speaker 1: dive into him, as we always do. We're also gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about Jeremy Barnes, who's the assistant hitting coach that

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Speaker 1: they now have. We're also gonna talk about the labor

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Speaker 1: Who knows, you'll hear what we have to say. As

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Speaker 1: well as we have an interview with Nick Pollock of

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Speaker 1: And that's the perfect time to bring in James. James,

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Speaker 1: how you doing, man, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Good Man? Hanging out and you know, good day, good day,

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Speaker 2: but normal nice weather in New York day. It took

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little snow last night technically, but uh, we're

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Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit never hurt anybody, but uh,

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Speaker 1: were ready to talk about a bullpen coach more than

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Speaker 1: we probably ever will talk about him during the actual season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, if you put it up as a deep dive,

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Speaker 2: I don't think we have enough ready for a deep

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Speaker 1: I think just having anything to say about Craig Jornson

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Speaker 1: because again, he's a bullpen coach. I mean, Ricky Bonez

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Speaker 1: couldn't say, you say again, Ricky Bonez, it wasn't bones, No,

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Speaker 1: it's pronounced bonus.

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Speaker 1: I kind of like that war No, it's a little

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Speaker 1: James Shano, Yes, but uh, Craig Jornsen, I really want

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Speaker 2: Definitely. You want to hear crazy stat about Craig Jornson,

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Speaker 2: With him, and you all say he came from the Astros.

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Speaker 2: He's most using with the Red Sox. He jumped with

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Speaker 1: So that's something I actually did not know that he

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Speaker 1: And if you can handle that Red Sox bullpen, which

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that Matt Eddie talked about how basically like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an incredibly high correlation between your eggs and

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Speaker 2: I think that's something that would benefit the Mets.

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Speaker 1: The quality control guys, right, which is what Luis rohaswager

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Speaker 1: guy like Jacob de gram Max Sure's the dude's making

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Speaker 1: those thirty plus million dollar contracts. Missing a few games

438
00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,320
Speaker 1: here or there to them isn't as big of a

439
00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,240
Speaker 1: deal as someone who's on their rookie contract, someone like

440
00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,000
Speaker 1: David Peterson missing two or three weeks of the season

441
00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,720
Speaker 1: vastly changes how much money they do make over a

442
00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,760
Speaker 1: season because they are in that lower, you know, minimum

443
00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,119
Speaker 1: salary level. And it almost seems like the owners know this,

444
00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,920
Speaker 1: and that's why they're being so you know, so tough

445
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,760
Speaker 1: on their numbers and not really budging because the players

446
00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,960
Speaker 1: are gonna ultimately seemingly have to make these concessions because

447
00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,600
Speaker 1: the owners just won't, definitely, and the casuals will be

448
00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,040
Speaker 1: much more aware of those guys than the other than

449
00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:24,880
Speaker 1: the other people in Major League Baseball, Like you're gonna

450
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,800
Speaker 1: be more aware of a get called and David Peterson,

451
00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,119
Speaker 1: and that's gonna drive the narrative more so in general

452
00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,399
Speaker 1: national media. Well, even the number you just said, Like

453
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Speaker 1: I had an idea that it was gonna be close

454
00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,399
Speaker 1: to fifty to fifty with minimum salary guys versus the

455
00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,240
Speaker 1: dude actually making like significant money, but I didn't know

456
00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,399
Speaker 1: who's like gonna be as high as you even said.

457
00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,280
Speaker 1: And even then, like the fact that it is fifty

458
00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,080
Speaker 1: to fifty half of the league's making. Of course, if

459
00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,919
Speaker 1: you're a normal person, you would love to make this

460
00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,080
Speaker 1: amount of money. You wouldn't complain at all. But you

461
00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,320
Speaker 1: also got to remember, you don't throw ninety five miles

462
00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,960
Speaker 1: an hour. You don't create billions of dollars in revenue

463
00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,080
Speaker 1: like they do a unique skill that allows them to

464
00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,800
Speaker 1: get paid this amount of money. They still need to

465
00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,119
Speaker 1: get paid what they deserve, especially when they bring in

466
00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:02,600
Speaker 1: this revenue.

467
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Speaker 2: Definitely, when you're bringing in this much revenue and you're

468
00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,000
Speaker 2: better than ninety nine point nine to ninety nine percent

469
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Speaker 2: of the world at anything like a minimum salary is

470
00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,640
Speaker 2: something that's kind of a relative term. And to get

471
00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,800
Speaker 2: back to that minimum salary, the players offered to raise

472
00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,920
Speaker 2: that salary from six hundred thousand dollars to seven hundred

473
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,760
Speaker 2: and seventy five thousand dollars, and eight hundred was a

474
00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,080
Speaker 2: number they were trying for originally, so even that seven

475
00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,119
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five thousand dollars was a concession. I

476
00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,560
Speaker 2: know it does sound like a lot of money, but again,

477
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,320
Speaker 2: we're dealing with people who are profiting tens of millions

478
00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:27,920
Speaker 2: of dollars a year on this. I think the minimum

479
00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,919
Speaker 2: salary is something that definitely should be addressed. The owners

480
00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,720
Speaker 2: came back with six hundred fifteen thousand dollars, which is

481
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,000
Speaker 2: an absolute slap in the face. And the last time

482
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,600
Speaker 2: this minimum salary was negotiated with twenty seventeen, that's when

483
00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,200
Speaker 2: it rose to six hundred thousand. If you simply adjust

484
00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,960
Speaker 2: for inflation from twenty seventeen until today, you have to

485
00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,719
Speaker 2: make it six hundred and fifty thousand dollars to keep

486
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,639
Speaker 2: up with the six hundred thousand dollars out agreed upon that.

487
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,920
Speaker 2: So the owners are basically telling the players, we're gonna

488
00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,480
Speaker 2: give you less money relatively to how your dollars work

489
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Speaker 2: in the world right now.

490
00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're trying to bend them over a barrel and

491
00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 1: show them the fifty states right now. And like it's

492
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Speaker 1: just the thing that scares me is I think it

493
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,480
Speaker 1: might end up working, and that's what I'm not particularly

494
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 1: happy about. But like a man, I don't know what

495
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 1: the players are really gonna be able to do because

496
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,560
Speaker 1: the owners have sculpted it in such a way where

497
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,960
Speaker 1: the players, unfortunately are gonna look like the bad guys

498
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,320
Speaker 1: despite not doing anything wrong.

499
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,760
Speaker 2: Definitely, and that's kind of brilliant from the owner's side

500
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,920
Speaker 2: because when these meetings concluded, they basically said publicly, and

501
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,920
Speaker 2: every baseball news outlet said this very publicly again yesterday,

502
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,680
Speaker 2: that they don't care about missing games, that they're willing

503
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,919
Speaker 2: to miss games to get this negotiation to go the

504
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 2: way they want. So the owners coming to the table

505
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 2: two days in a row and giving numbers to back

506
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,959
Speaker 2: to the players while giving the players the opportunity to rebubble,

507
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 2: now the players are gonna have to make their rebubbal.

508
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 2: As spring training becomes closer, the owners are gonna have

509
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 2: the ability to villainize them for making an offer that

510
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,919
Speaker 2: doesn't seem realistic. Seem realistic the next time they do

511
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 2: come to a table, and then we're gonna probably miss

512
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,800
Speaker 2: games because of it. So either you guys take iron

513
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 2: modest concessions or we all lose. And like, that's just

514
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,639
Speaker 2: not really a fair spot to put the players in.

515
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 2: And they're doing it before spring train, which I mentioned

516
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 2: last week one of the players biggest bargaining chips because

517
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 2: they won't make money for that, but the owners do.

518
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always in Philadelphia, was it? Dennis says, you

519
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 1: got twenty four hours to control the media the headline basically,

520
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 1: and right now, like I feel like the owners are

521
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 1: controlling it. I've heard nothing from MLBPA, and that's like

522
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 1: the one thing that seems like maybe you should make

523
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 1: some comments. I don't know. Like everything that's coming from

524
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 1: the media is the owners will lose games. The owners

525
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 1: are doing this. The owners are doing that. There's not

526
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,360
Speaker 1: a lot coming from the player side, which is unfortunate

527
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: because again it's going to paint the players in a

528
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 1: bad light despite them just.

529
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:32,719
Speaker 3: Looking out for themselves.

530
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with what they're doing. I don't understand

531
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: the siding of with billionaires over millionaires.

532
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 2: Still no, definitely, and they are driving in there, which

533
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,439
Speaker 2: I think is important. But I do think that this

534
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 2: is a big bluff from the owners and they have

535
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 2: called the players bluff originally based on Max Shecher's are

536
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 2: saying broke in miss games because we have this war

537
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 2: chest to pay out the minimum salary. Gods to the future.

538
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 2: I think the owners saw right through that, and we'll like,

539
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: all right, let let's see you guys actually do that.

540
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 2: Let me see the money you're taking out of your

541
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 2: pocket Max and paying out to David Peterson again to

542
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 2: use the example again, but you don't like say we're

543
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: okay to miss games and January twenty fourth if you

544
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 2: actually mean it, you know, and like they were very

545
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: willing to miss games in twenty twenty, but it was

546
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 2: a very different situation. Then again, no one really knew

547
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 2: what was going on, so I think everyone was like,

548
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 2: let's just hunker down, have a negotiation and try and

549
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 2: win as much as we can. But there was a

550
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: great thread on Twitter from Maury Brown, who writes for

551
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 2: Forbes and baseball perspectives, and he kind of outlined how

552
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 2: badly missing games specifically this year would generally hurt the owners.

553
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 2: Right now, Major League Baseball self is working on a

554
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 2: massive streaming deal with Apple to make local baseball broadcasts

555
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 2: more accessible to everybody in the world, especially in terms

556
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 2: of how painful MLBtv can be sometimes. They have more

557
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: gaming partners now than they've ever had before. The interest

558
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 2: in gambling is growing rapidly across the country. More states

559
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 2: than ever before have legalized it.

560
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: And something that we've talked about too, is that baseball

561
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: is such a perfect sport for gambling. It's literally made

562
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 1: for gambling. So like the fact that it's becoming more

563
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 1: legal everywhere, the fact that there's more money coming into

564
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: a baseball would be foolish to not take advantage of.

565
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: It, absolutely, especially when your biggest media market with two

566
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 2: teams legalized it less than two weeks ago. As we

567
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: know about gambling in New York now and this year,

568
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: there's an increased rate for national broadcasts coming back to

569
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 2: the owners. This year, it's jumping up a number from

570
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 2: the previous years from a deal that was signed. Also,

571
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: the owners do have to pay back a substantial sum

572
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: of money to a lot of the regional sports networks

573
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 2: and national media for the rights that were pro rated

574
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. And that's not something that's like very

575
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: serious because that's a payment plan over years and years

576
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,239
Speaker 2: and years. But this is something that these owners are

577
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 2: incorporating into their bottom line, which will affect a lot

578
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: of these again poorer owners like Dick Manford Montfort's saying

579
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 2: that it's difficult to own a baseball team sometimes that

580
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 2: will make as many billings as they used to make.

581
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 2: When so, I do think that right now the owners

582
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: are making their power play, like they're sending their chips

583
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 2: right now, like they are putting their forces on high

584
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: right now. They're a two flank attack. They're using the

585
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: media and they're using just their own poll and strength

586
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: they can because they know all these things are true

587
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 2: and they know that this is their moment right now

588
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 2: to make sure that they can save the Golden Goose.

589
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 2: But baseball in the past has shown that they're willing

590
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 2: to their nose off to spite their face, and I

591
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 2: think that they're okay with doing that again with the media,

592
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: the media they control on their side.

593
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: No, it's unfortunate that the narrative is going to be

594
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: because the players should be holding out, they should be

595
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: wanting to get all the stuff that they're asking for,

596
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: or there should at least be some sort of middle ground. Again,

597
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: this is collective bargaining. Players can't get what they want

598
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Owners can't get what they want one

599
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: hundred percent. There needs to be a middle ground. But

600
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: the way that it's been portrayed by everybody, it really

601
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: does seem like, even with the owners saying we're willing

602
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: to miss games, I still feel like probably the majority

603
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: of people are going to see the players as the problem,

604
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: which is just so undoubtedly wrong.

605
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 2: Definitely, and it's just again it's just brilliant that they're

606
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: able to paint the players Union as the villains.

607
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: Yep, and uh, it's unfortunate because I think it's probably

608
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: we are moving forward, which is nice, and we're actually

609
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: getting negotiations, which is something we didn't have for weeks

610
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: upon weeks. But it's just it really does seem like

611
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: the players are unfortunately gonna get screwed right now with

612
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: the way that things are going. I mean, screwed is

613
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: also relative because no one's really getting screwed here at

614
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: the end of the day, But the players aren't going

615
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: to really be getting much of a concession from the owners.

616
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of concessions on their part,

617
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: which sucks because I don't watch baseball because Steve Colin

618
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: Watt owns the Mets or Bob Castellani owns the Reds

619
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: like I watch baseball because Max suers are Jacob b Grond,

620
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: Francisco Indoor, Mike Trapp. Those are the guys I want

621
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: getting the money. I don't care how much money Bob

622
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: Castellani makes on a given year for the Cincinnati Reds.

623
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 2: Definitely, I want to make sure that all the players

624
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 2: who are making that minium salary, who get shuttled up

625
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: and down between the major leagues and minor leagues all year,

626
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: like got like Travis Blankenhorn who kept his car in

627
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City for months on end. They want to make

628
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: sure everybody gets there. I guess their faishire. And I

629
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: also want to make sure that these systems that seem

630
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: to be broken, like arbitration, the Super two, get fixed,

631
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: because these are going to affect the long term success

632
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: of this game and the way that young kids want

633
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: to be a part of it, you know.

634
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: And that's something that the owners cut out now, right,

635
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: they were gonna official like kind of fix arbitration in

636
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: the Super two, but now they say, eh, never mind

637
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: not Well, that was.

638
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 2: That negotiation that we mentioned at the beginning, where the

639
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: players wanted that pool of money for guys who were

640
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: in their first two years of making the minimum who

641
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: performed at a high enough level to have a one hundred

642
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 2: five million dollar bonus pool to be given out, and

643
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: the owners at ten. And that was something that they

644
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: were negotiating in lieu of Super two rights, which is

645
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: kind of a weird, funny number that they make somehow

646
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 2: out of thin air. And then MLB said, you know,

647
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: if you guys don't want that, it's okay. We'll just

648
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 2: keep arbitration exactly the way this, Like, you guys also

649
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: hate our arbitration, Like you're just doing this out of spite,

650
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, we are, We're doing it out

651
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 2: of spite.

652
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: Fucking Rob Manford Man.

653
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: He's doing a good job, though. He's doing a good

654
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: job in terms of the owners. He's doing what he

655
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: was hired to do, not a terrible job in terms

656
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: of baseball. Yes, yeah, he might be willing to kill

657
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: the game, which would be really really sad.

658
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: Really really stupid. And uh, I guess that's a perfect

659
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: way for us to jump right into our interview with

660
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: Nick Pollock, right because there's really no more updated here

661
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Speaker 1: on the labor negotiations.

662
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, we just got as negative as possible. So

663
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: now we're gonna get positive because Nick is fun. Nick

664
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Speaker 2: is i'd say, bubbly, and we'd break down a lot

665
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: of pitching, a lot of the Mets free agent targets,

666
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: especially on the pitching side, how the Mets current starting

667
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: rotation does stack up. We're to have some takes on

668
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: Max Shares there, and then we talk a lot about

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Speaker 2: picture List and PitchCom which is starting this Wednesday, and

670
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: Mark and I are actually speaking in which is Pictureless

671
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: is yearly baseball conference, So thank you, guys, will enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Super excited. Here's that interview. All right, guys, So now

673
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 1: we have another guest back to back weeks look at

674
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Speaker 1: us on the Messed Up podcast. We're bringing you a

675
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: guest during the offseason because I mean, honestly, there's not

676
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: much baseball talk about and we have a guy here

677
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: in Nick Pollock, who knows a lot about baseball, specifically

678
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: on the pitching side. Pictureless. You might have heard of it.

679
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: You might have heard of him on Twitter. Make sure

680
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: you guys go show him love and support.

681
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Speaker 3: Nick.

682
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on. How you doing man, what is happening?

683
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on here.

684
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: I mean this is almost as touching as when you

685
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: brought me on to the five thousand person space you

686
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: guys were doing for Max Scherzer. So thanks for having me.

687
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was Katic. I remember you sent

688
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: me a discord and a DM. You were like, get

689
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: in here, give me.

690
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I want to talk about Shirzer. You

691
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 3: weren't talking about like the injury part of where he's

692
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: gonna be always good through the contract. I think that's

693
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Speaker 3: a good good.

694
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Speaker 1: Part about it is that what we're gonna start that.

695
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: It was nice to start talking about Suzer then, because

696
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: like we said, you're the pitching guy, and there are

697
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: a lot of things with this Mets rotation, bullpen everything

698
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: to talk about pitching wise, I guess we'll start off

699
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: with the biggest guy that we just got, Max Scherzer.

700
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Speaker 1: I mean, you maybe aren't as hyped as some of

701
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: the other Mets fans around the world right now. But

702
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: you know you come in with a good reason.

703
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: I will say too, it's really nice to have Nick

704
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: on because while we try to be as unbiased as

705
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: possible about the Mets, Mark and I are both psychotic,

706
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: diehard Mets fans. The whole reason you guys listen to this,

707
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: the whole reason we even have the show. So Nick

708
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Speaker 2: give us an objective take on mac shares their first Well.

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Speaker 3: I need to clarify things. I grew up in Brooklyn.

710
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be happy in life, so I

711
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 3: was a Yankee fan. I'm so sorry saying that on

712
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: the Mets Up podcast. My god, what am I doing?

713
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 3: As you know, we treat you like the little brother.

714
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: We want you to be successful. All that aside, I know,

715
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: I'm kidding completely. I actually stopped really being a Yankee

716
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 3: fan when I started doing this stuff. I root for

717
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: the picture on the Hill. I've rooted for Chris Sale

718
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: against the Yanks because I just want the guy on

719
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: the bump doing well, and I truly want you guys

720
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 3: to do well too. I mean it's you know, when

721
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: New York does great, everything is great. So Schurzer. I

722
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: remember being excited for you not to mention that, like

723
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: Sures was just in our city. Now, this is amazing.

724
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: Sureser's slider is incredible. I think that's kind of forgotten

725
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: a lot about what actually is it about Shares It's no,

726
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: it's guts, it's he's a workhorse. No, his slider is

727
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: is one of the better ones in the league. It

728
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: has been for Ages gets a ton of strikes, swing

729
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: strike rates twenty four percent last year, which is way

730
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: above average. That's among the best out there. Fastball is

731
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: the only area of concern. Every year it's gotten a

732
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 3: little bit worse and more hit aable inside of the zone.

733
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Speaker 3: If you remember, in twenty twenty he actually had like

734
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: a three five, three seven E array Because of the

735
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: home runs he allowed on fastballs, it made us a

736
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: little bit concerned going to twenty twenty one. As we

737
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Speaker 3: all know, he had a fantastic sub two five E

738
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Speaker 3: array last year, So shures it should be fine. But

739
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: I think long term for you guys, like what I

740
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: talked about in that space was if he's hurt, there's

741
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: an insurance policy with the Mets, so you don't worry

742
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: too much about the money of this. But he's not

743
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: gonna pitch and be bad at any point. If he's bad,

744
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: Suzer just stops playing. You know, he has so much

745
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: pride in this that he's gonna go out there and

746
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: do his best all the way through. And you should

747
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: be thrilled about this. A lot of big albatross contracts

748
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: that you see Albert Pujo's like Josh Hamilton, and you

749
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: come to mind these, you know, Jacoby Elsberrill, this stuff,

750
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: but all of them kept going through it Sureser won't

751
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: do that. So I'd be so stoked for you. You know,

752
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: as a quote unquote Yankee fan, I'm jealous you have

753
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: him and we don't. I'm so thrilled for you, guys.

754
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: I hope he succeeds.

755
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, how does it feel to see the Mets going

756
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: out making a splash that, like, you know, feels very

757
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: Yankee like? Like that's got to be I know you said,

758
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: like you're more of a Pitcher fan now, but like

759
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: that's gotta be a weird, like, you know, change in

760
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: reality of what's really happened.

761
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thank you for acknowledging it, you know,

762
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: saying so too many people forget that.

763
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: No.

764
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Speaker 3: I mean, again, my fandom is much more diminished than

765
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: he used to be. But yeah, there is a sense

766
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: that used to be the Yankees being the only team

767
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: that would go off and do this. Two thousand and nine,

768
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: we quot unquote bought that championship right because we got

769
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: CC and Burnett and to share in that offseason. And yeah,

770
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: we haven't really done that. You know, We've been smart,

771
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: like we didn't go off and pay Patrick Corbyn for example. Yeah,

772
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: but I it's still very weird to see these giant

773
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: names that clearly will help the Yankees not you know,

774
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: be on our team. I think actually surely though did

775
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: say he didn't want to be a Yankee.

776
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Speaker 2: I think the Yankees just kind of spurned Boris a

777
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: few times recently since the ownership has not changed, but

778
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: since it's been passed down, and I think that he

779
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: knew that he needed not a new ally, but a

780
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: powerful one.

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00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: Well this is great. Then if you're saying that's a

782
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: Boris problem, then the Yankees won't get Korea, which would

783
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: be wonderful. And I think I think all of the

784
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: like the universe will be back to normal if Korea

785
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: is not a Yankee. You know, it just seems so

786
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: wrong on so many levels. It's like it's all just

787
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: a play put on a facade, like all the drama.

788
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: If Koreba becomes a Yankee, that just that should not

789
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: be allowed to me.

790
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: It makes perfect sense because the Yankees I grew up

791
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: with relish being the villains. And what's more villain like

792
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: than bringing in your own arch nemesis who is so

793
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: good and so talented to work now next to you

794
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: and on your side.

795
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: That amazing. He gets hurt all of the time and

796
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: finally has this one healthy season the year before his contract. Hmmm,

797
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: I want It's like, this isn't what we want. Don't

798
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: do that. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I like

799
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 3: the fact of Yankees being the villain and stuff. I

800
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: mean I don't like it to the fact of like

801
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: having eraldis Chapman as a closer who is actually a

802
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: real life villain actually, but you know the persona of like, yes,

803
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: we need a team to hate that is all inside

804
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 3: of the drama and soap opera of the Majors for

805
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: a non actual nefarious reasons high Astro. Sorry, like that's

806
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: a good thing. I would embrace that, but yeah, so yeah,

807
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: we gotta spend some more. Now, what the heck are

808
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: we doing? Let's go, Let's be the Mets.

809
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: You know, that's a crazy sentence can be on the

810
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: board for this interview. Let's be the Mets.

811
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, no, I mean, so you guys must be

812
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: stoked about.

813
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: Over the moonstoked. We were so yeah, we were so excited.

814
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: After that spaces we went out just like we went

815
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: out together with our other body, Ernie. We've mentioned this

816
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: podcast a few times, got drunken Astoria and did an

817
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: entire drunk episode afterwards. It turned out to be our

818
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: most listened to episode of this podcast. But basically by

819
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: far As.

820
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: We were hammered like Debatabra, like on that verge of like,

821
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, drinking a little bit too much, and it

822
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: was I'm still buzzing to this day, Like it's just

823
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest movies I remember in Mets history.

824
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: To bring him, and then on top of Jacob de Gram,

825
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: who I mean, he's unbelievable too.

826
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: You know.

827
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: Okay, So you guys, if I were you, I would

828
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: just be thinking, how can we plan this out so

829
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: that you make the playoffs? And a Gram and Scherzer

830
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: are healthy, Like, I feel like you can't have both.

831
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the reason we've brought you on

832
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: here today because this Mets rotation, besides for Jacob de

833
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: Gram Max scherz Or, has a lot of either holes

834
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: or just legitimate question marks. Sure, and we want to

835
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: see if you can see a pass forged ahead by

836
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: the rotation as it currently stands to get the Mets

837
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: to say that magic number of ninety ish wins to

838
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: get that postseason appearance.

839
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: Well, I see something, I see something, and we can

840
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: certainly talk about this. I'm I'm gonna tell you right

841
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: now that I think collectively, I mean obviously I talk

842
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: sometimes or a lot of the time in the fantasy

843
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: baseball world, and you can kind of see you can

844
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: get like a grasp of how people think of players

845
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: in general, just from how the fantasy baseball world reacts.

846
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: And the fact that I don't think I've had to

847
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: talk about Taiwan Walker once this offseason, I think says

848
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: a lot.

849
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. He's even right now I'm

850
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: doing my first batch of them at NFBC drafts. He's

851
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: going off like in the two three hundreds, right, So

852
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: he's the kind of guy who you're hoping gives you

853
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: like a four to two era and one hundred and

854
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: fifty reliable innings.

855
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: The thing is, though, that's what the Mets need. You know,

856
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: He's a very important cog in the machine for the

857
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: Mets this year because I mean, I'm looking at the

858
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: free agent signings right my first thought was, you need depth.

859
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: You need guys you can rely on every five days

860
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: or so. I see Tyler Anderson out there, and I

861
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: think that's actually not a bad signing. I was actually

862
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 3: at the game, the doubleheader game where he pitched against

863
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: Marcus Stroman. I got a really good look at him,

864
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: and yeah, he could have gone, you know, five six

865
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: innings that game. I think it won almost six. Like

866
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: just that is fine, like your old Steven Mattz kind

867
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 3: of thing. It would work.

868
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 2: He is fine. But with Anderson, you always run that

869
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: risk that he's just like kind of close to being unusable,

870
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: you know, like, sure, one thing goes wrong for Tyler Anderson.

871
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: As he goes through like let's say a three year contract,

872
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: he goes from being a guy who sits at like

873
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: four to two to four eight and suddenly he just

874
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 2: not someone you could pitch in games.

875
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: I I'm not disagreeing with that. With a guy like Anderson,

876
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: I think you can make a pretty discounted deal with him,

877
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: and the third year is just kind of like does

878
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 3: not matter. It's about this one year right now. You

879
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: need to capitalize that you have Schurzarn Dagram at their

880
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: peaks and to make sure that you survive this season.

881
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 3: You just got Stalling Marte. Amazing signing. I think actually

882
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 3: my favorite signing of this offseason so far, just based

883
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: on under one hundred million for an elite outfielder. In

884
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: my book, that's just so incredibly good for you guys.

885
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 3: You know, do you have this like really nice moment.

886
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: Atlanta might be losing Freddy Freeman, the Nationals are not

887
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 3: threatening whatsoever. The Phillies still have a lot of their

888
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 3: same problems, where who is going to be their fifth starter?

889
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: I actually even put it out to Twitter, and no

890
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 3: one knows. No one knows who's the fifth starter for

891
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: the Phillies. And then there's the Marlins, who are still

892
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: a year or two away but concerdning their offense. So

893
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: you have such a ripe opportunity and little things like

894
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: a Tyler Anderson deal for a year or two can

895
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: help bridge the gap because you don't want to overwork

896
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: de grom You know, Schurzer will be fine, Sure, I

897
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: think will be okay by the end, but you don't

898
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: want to be in a situation where it's like, well,

899
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: we need to Gromp because if we don't, then there's

900
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: no one else to turn to. And someone like Tyllerra

901
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: Anderson can really help.

902
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we've brought up a guy like

903
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: Yusai Kakuchi. I know James is super high on him

904
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: as like someone who would be like a perfect fit

905
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: for this rotation. I guess just from like your opinion,

906
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: like what do you think about You.

907
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: Say, yeah, he's good and bad. I'm gonna say that

908
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: about a lot of guys. He has a good ceiling

909
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: where if he's throwing ninety six consistently, Kakuchi did that

910
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 3: a good amount last year. He can be really stellar

911
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: with a cutter and a slider that can both miss bats.

912
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 3: When those three pitches are working, it's gorgeous because batters

913
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: can't tell the difference the cutter and fastball, and the

914
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: cutter actually moves a significant amount. The thing is, though

915
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: he sometimes goes down to ninety four doesn't elevate effectively,

916
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: lose his command of it, and the Slider and Cutter

917
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: on their own are not good enough. So it's you know,

918
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: Kakuchi's kind of looked as a guy that if he

919
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: goes to a program that can really help with pitching development,

920
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 3: there might be something to untap. It's kind of why

921
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: I think I've heard the Yankees, But even though the

922
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 3: Yankees are kind of weird, do they actually do well

923
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: with the pictures? I don't know. We like to think so,

924
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: but I don't know. The Mets, I don't know where

925
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: i'd side with that. I mean, Dan Worthan was the

926
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: best thing that ever happened to you guys.

927
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: Jeremy Hefner.

928
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: Yes, no, no slander of our boy half.

929
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm nothing against it, But I'm just talking about, like,

930
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 3: you know, things that we've just internalized in our head

931
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: of what they have done directly. Wharf and Slider was

932
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 3: just a game changer.

933
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: The Wharf and Slider there was also a Tommy John mechanism.

934
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: So well, maybe yes or maybe no, you know, like,

935
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: how is that the reason why I don't Actually I

936
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: would maybe even make an argument that it's a lack

937
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 3: of pronation on that, which is a good thing because

938
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: you're supposed to just stay straight and go straight down

939
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: on the wharf and slider and less of the actual twisting.

940
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: Like like I talked to a Lance mccollors and he

941
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: says his slider is like throwing a He calls it

942
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: a pizza. Like how he delivers it where he's like,

943
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 3: you know, he leads with his pinky across his body.

944
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: That is not good for your elbow. That sounds terrible, Yeah,

945
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: but it's really good for throwing sliders. The wharf and

946
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 3: slider being completely different, saying completely on top and going

947
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: down through and not having as much spin but relying

948
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: on the gyro of it to go down and that

949
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: was super effective and came out harder too. But anyway,

950
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: what I'm getting as I don't know, I Kakuchi to

951
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: the Mets is exactly the fit for him, but I

952
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: think he would be beneficial. Like I'm seeing this list

953
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: now of free agent starters and boys very thin right now,

954
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: Oh my lord, Yeah, Josh Tomlin's not the answer. No,

955
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 3: neither is Jacob Junis.

956
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: Oh there is one guy that's the answer.

957
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: Where did you start with the Jays only.

958
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: No, I just went down. I just went down. I mean,

959
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: who okay there, they're obviously the big names of Carlos

960
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: Rodan and Klean Kershaw. Do you guys actually believe the

961
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: Mets are going to get one of those?

962
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: I think the Mets are going to be involved with Rodn.

963
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: I think probably pretty heavily. We know from someone that

964
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: they were involved with him last year when he was

965
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: non tenderly decided to stick with the White size basically

966
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: with equal contracts. And while Radon doesn't really give you

967
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: that stable floor of innings that you think you're gonna

968
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: get from an Anderson or a Kakuci, you could probably

969
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: sign a Rodin and an Anderson. You might as well

970
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: shoot for the moon with upside for one and then

971
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: get the oatmeal with your other. You know, It's like

972
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: kind of like when you're getting breakfast the diner and

973
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: you get oatmeal for yourself and then you get pancakes

974
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: for the table.

975
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: Especially those those first one hundred innings that he threw

976
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: last year were just like he was one of the

977
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: best pitchers in baseball. So it feels like, like James said,

978
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: if we're gonna take that risk, let's go for the

979
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: big shot here. We're not taking a risk on like

980
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: an older Clayton Kershaw, and.

981
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: That makes sense. Be healthy, that makes a lot of sense.

982
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, one of the joys of what

983
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: I do is watching these young guys do something new

984
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: and be amazing. And if you don't realize, Carlos Rodon

985
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: average at his peak ninety three and a half on

986
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: his fastball velocity. Before last year there were games he

987
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: sat ninety seven average, three and a half ticks higher

988
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: than his previous career. It's unbelievable what he did. But yeah,

989
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: he's gonna I imagine he would burn out. That's the

990
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: problem there, and you're if you want to actually make

991
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: it world serious team, I can't include like rodinalill help

992
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: me maybe get there, but I don't know if I

993
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 3: could depend on him in October.

994
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: I think with Rodon, you almost have to tell yourself,

995
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: similar to Gram this season that you're getting one hundred

996
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: and twenty ish innings, one hundred and twenty, two hundred

997
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 2: and forty. We're gonna see where they fall, especially based

998
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: on how the teams because again you said last year

999
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: he died, Like I have a stat here at US

1000
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: for Rodnan a few times, but he survived.

1001
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: He's around well.

1002
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: It was twelve point seven percent of his fastballs were

1003
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: ninety eight miles an hour higher from April to July

1004
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: when he was incredible, and it was less than two

1005
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: percent from August through the end of the season, and

1006
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: when he had that fastball going in at ninety eight

1007
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: or above, because he cracked ninety nine here and there

1008
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: and it became like a whiffable pitch to go along

1009
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: with a slide, like when you have that fastball as

1010
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: a left to you working up in the zone and

1011
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: getting swings and misses like you're almost unhittable. I think

1012
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys would benefit from city field Rodn, Kakuchi, Anderson,

1013
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: the three we mentioned, because they're all flyball pitchers. Yeah,

1014
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: and they're all coming from environments that were less advantageous

1015
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: of flyball pitchers than city fields, which is massive and

1016
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: surprised SEGX of loss. He's still reasons no one the

1017
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: smartest minds of baseball cannot figure out. I think we

1018
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: have that kind of built in that we can get

1019
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: these pictures who may not look as good to other teams,

1020
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: and they'll be better for us.

1021
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: Oh, man, I love that you mentioned like lefties to

1022
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 3: throw up and end to righty's. Oh that's James Paxson

1023
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: as peak and that's ah, this is this is the

1024
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 3: thing of my life is so I just get giddy

1025
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: about pictures doing good things, and Rodan did that a

1026
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: lot last year. Honestly, I think the best path for

1027
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 3: you guys, the number one target should be Louis Castillo.

1028
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: M That makes the most sense to me. He's an

1029
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 3: innings guy. Yeah, he's not going to I think he's

1030
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: gonna keep doing what he's doing. Sure, he had some

1031
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: problems last year, has to do with the cold more so,

1032
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 3: and just get him out of Ohio. Man, I it's

1033
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: you know, he's going to be a little rocky. There

1034
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: are times when everyone's gonna be upset, Like I don't know,

1035
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: can't strike anybody yet, his fastball is too hittable, all

1036
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 3: that stuff. But he is going to survive the full year.

1037
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: He's going to be very helpful. That would be the

1038
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: thing I'm dreaming of the most if I were for you,

1039
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: because yeah, for don cursed all the reason that they

1040
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 3: didn't sign, so really because they want to wait. People

1041
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: want to wait and see how they're feeling, and then

1042
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 3: there isn't a major impact play after which is why

1043
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 3: I was suggesting, like Tyler Anderson, Paneda could even help.

1044
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: You know, I have Panada on my list. Pineda is

1045
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: just one adjustment away because he actually last year had

1046
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: the lowest vertical approach angle of any pitcher in baseball

1047
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: on his fastball. And I think that a Mets team

1048
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 2: that has with Hefner leaned into the high four seamed

1049
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: fastballs could find a way to get Panaeda back to

1050
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: Not like I'm not expecting anything more than you know,

1051
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: a four to two over one hundred and fifty innings,

1052
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: but just to get to that with stability for a

1053
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: guy who still has I believe his plus pitches.

1054
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: What slider, oh slide? No, If Paneda has a slider working,

1055
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 3: it's like doesn't matter what else happens. He could lob

1056
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: in his fastballs.

1057
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the almost forty percent with last year, So

1058
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: that's someone again. I just it's nice that the Mets

1059
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: haven't a pitching environment that you could think possibly get

1060
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: more out of the fast rather.

1061
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: Well, yes, you want to know the craziest thing, I

1062
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: think one of the biggest deal breakers for the Mets

1063
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: this year. The biggest influence of your season is if

1064
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: Carlos Carrasco can get a slider and change it back

1065
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: the crazy thing that I normally see about older pitchers,

1066
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 3: and as he start degrading, we start thinking, oh, they're

1067
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: not going to be what they used to be. I mean,

1068
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: you guys probably know it's velocity. Velocity is the first

1069
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: thing that it goes, and that's really the biggest indicator of,

1070
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: you know, a failure in the future. Carrasco barely lost

1071
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: a little bit on his fastball when he returned last year,

1072
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: and keep in mind he didn't have a normal off

1073
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 3: season and everything. He just kind of got thrown into

1074
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: it again. Now you have a proper offseason, you have

1075
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: the velosity still there, hopefully, I mean you imagine it is.

1076
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: And we had moments of both the slider and his

1077
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: changeup working last year. I think there's still something in

1078
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: the tank here for Carrasco and that potential of being

1079
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: that you know, sub four ear ray one twenty whip

1080
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: with like a twenty five percent strike. Ever, he's still

1081
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: there for Carrasco. I hope you get the longevity, but

1082
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: there's still something and it can really turn the tide

1083
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: for the Mets.

1084
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled you said that, because I've been beating that

1085
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: drum for the last few months. Carrasco last year was

1086
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: just he was legless for months because he busted the

1087
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: hamstring and he tried to come back very quickly from that,

1088
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: and then we found out the end of the season

1089
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: he even had a bone chip in his elbow. He

1090
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: was pitched.

1091
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: Is that right? Yes, I didn't even know that he

1092
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: still had the velocity exactly effect like the slider more. Oh,

1093
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: that's such good news. Sorry for the bone ship though,

1094
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 3: but of.

1095
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: Course it's a healable injury. Great news, easy easy, easy surgery.

1096
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: But he also he was doing a lot of tinkering

1097
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: last year. He had five different pitches as his lead

1098
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: pitch in the arsenal the given game last year, but

1099
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: the score seamer, his sinker, his curveballs, change up, and

1100
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: his slider. He had won each of those games where

1101
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: that pitch was his most thrown pitch. So I just

1102
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 2: think that he he had just chalking up for lost

1103
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: season Carrasco. After another lost season for Carrasco, we're on

1104
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: two years of lost seasons and I do think that

1105
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: there is still something valuable he can give this team.

1106
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely. The funniest thing is that you said curveball in there.

1107
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: All I could think of is, oh, that must have

1108
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: been a bad night. If his curveballs his most thrown pitch.

1109
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: Well, he like he was doing some weird stuff too,

1110
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: where like, especially because we all remember we talked about

1111
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: every single time he pitched was giving up a home

1112
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: run in the first sitting or giving up some sort

1113
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: of runs in the first inning, And he was also

1114
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 1: refusing to throw anything butt fastballs in the first sitting

1115
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: for a lot of those starts too, which was like

1116
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: he was really trying to figure out what kind of

1117
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: pitcher at least maybe he wants to be in the future.

1118
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: And I expect, like you said, with a normal offseason

1119
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: that like hopefully he at least has a better clue,

1120
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: a better feeling better health wise, that he can come back,

1121
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: because like he was really really good at times. I

1122
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: know he's older now, but like he should be very

1123
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: valuable to this rotation if all things do go right.

1124
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I you know, I remember actually being in one

1125
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: of those games where I was saying, oh, Crosco, thought

1126
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: you change it more. Your size has been bad. And

1127
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: he saw you a slider. Yeah, slider in the first inning. Yes, right,

1128
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 3: And it was just like, nope, this his first inning

1129
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 3: three run shot or whatever. It was like, it must

1130
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: have been a slider to Chris Bryant India. Oh no,

1131
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: that was a different game. Chris Bryan hit this one.

1132
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure slider in the first inning. I was like,

1133
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 3: don't throw a sliders and throw a ready righty chain. No,

1134
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: never mind, not gonna happen. Maybe, John, did I see

1135
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 3: your job at any game?

1136
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: I remember seeing you at one of the Friday night

1137
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: games because I think I think we're also both with

1138
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: our dads. It's a different game.

1139
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: I think the Marlins were playing because Ernie was there.

1140
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a Marlin. I went to a Marlin game.

1141
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: You guys were there in like at the end of September.

1142
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 3: It was a great time.

1143
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: Also crazy that we just have multiple games where we've

1144
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: just seen each other.

1145
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: At Mexican and also of course the michigan O s

1146
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: U which was the funniest thing ever that.

1147
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: Man, I couldn't even like think straight. I was like

1148
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: Nick of all the faces of all of all the

1149
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: tall men in the world.

1150
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 3: I mean, so, yeah, if you don't know, obviously you

1151
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: know James giant OSU fan. I'm my sister went to

1152
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: Michigan and my cousin is getting his uh PhD at

1153
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: OSU right now, and he uh so. I was like, fine,

1154
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 3: I'll go to the game for you because you're in town.

1155
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: I'll be nice to you as the older cousin. And

1156
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 3: the end, we finally won, and I'm like trying to

1157
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: hold it in inside this os bar. No one knows

1158
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: I'm a Michigan fan. Wait for the bathroom. I'm even

1159
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: like in my jacket, like, you know what, let me

1160
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: just go to bathroom before I leave. And Shiano comes

1161
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: out of the stall. That's like right in front of me.

1162
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe this. And you gave me a look.

1163
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: You're like, oh hey, oh hey, I'm supposed to be here.

1164
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: It's like, shut up, you're the only one who knows.

1165
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: Man. And I remember my original interview with Pictureless. I

1166
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: think we like did like a nemesis bonding over that Michigan.

1167
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, it's Michigan.

1168
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 3: We really did a great job taking advantage with the

1169
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: one tie we actually were involved in the college football playoff.

1170
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: We did beautifully against Georgia. Oh man, what a sight.

1171
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: And I feel like, like we talked about, you know,

1172
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: de Gram schures Er carrasco walker, and then there's like

1173
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: this other like gluttony of pictures that the Mets have

1174
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: that are just all kind of like fighting for this

1175
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: last hypothetical spot that exists in a five man rotation

1176
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: where you've got you know, McGill, you've got Yamam technically

1177
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: Peterson maybe even like I'm sure they're going to try

1178
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: like to see what z Pucky's got again too, Like

1179
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: I think there's a clear favorite there, but like, what

1180
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: is your take on just like this whole next group

1181
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 1: of nex pitchers.

1182
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: So okay, ty Lor McGill, I need to say it

1183
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: like that every time. I need to emphasize it. He

1184
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: should be solid for you. I think his fastball is

1185
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: actually it's an above average fastball to me. And that's

1186
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: a pitch that constantly is there for a Tyler. When

1187
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 3: he went on that nice run to start the year,

1188
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: the change up was m change up was glorious, and

1189
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: then it fell apart. It wasn't there consistently down the end.

1190
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: The slider just needs to be a culled strike pitch.

1191
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: It just needs to get the zone enough. It was

1192
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: a sub forty percent rate last year. Typically, when you

1193
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 3: have a third pitch that isn't going to miss a

1194
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: lot of bats, it should be above forty percent zone Rader.

1195
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: So essentially that should just be a mix up. And

1196
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if that could really be this It

1197
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 3: was a sub sixty percent overall strike rate. You want

1198
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: to see like sixty three, sixty five, you know, that's

1199
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: when you feel really good about at them. Sub sixty

1200
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: percent is when you start, you know, tugging, go oh,

1201
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: that's not what you want to see. So I hope

1202
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 3: to see some consistency with McGill with that change up,

1203
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: and maybe that slider gets better. But just because of

1204
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 3: the fastball, he'll be competitive for you guys, h and

1205
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: that's good. He's gonna hold on to that. I'd be

1206
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 3: really surprised if the Mets move past ty Lore, especially

1207
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: considering as you've already talked about the question marks of

1208
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: de Grams health. Insures her health, and Walker's health and

1209
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: Carrasco's health. So you're gonna have these times. You know,

1210
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: if Tyler can say healthy, he will just pitch the

1211
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 3: entire season. The other names that you mentioned, I have

1212
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: to just mention, I mean, this is Trevor Williams. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1213
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: I he's either T L's or T Dubs depending on

1214
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: the day. But I you know, back in the day,

1215
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 3: I actually I wrote for for Fangrats the whole thing

1216
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: about like the Mystery of Trevor Williams, which I think

1217
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 3: he is actually the most cliche title and the last

1218
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: time I ever said the curious case of and realized

1219
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 3: that you should never title an article the Curious case of.

1220
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 3: But it was it was super weird, like how was

1221
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: Trevor Williams doing this? Well, it was the end of

1222
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen and became of twenty eighteen, or maybe it's

1223
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: actually eighteen nineteen. But if you guys remember how good

1224
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: he was for a moment, it doesn't make any sense.

1225
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: It still doesn't. Fastballs somehow don't get crushed as much

1226
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 3: as they should. Secondary pitches sometimes he can keep those

1227
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: down effectively, the slider, but he's not someone you want

1228
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: to depend on, especially as he gets I think worse

1229
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: with age. Right now, he's not getting better. Sean Reid

1230
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 3: Foley is so interesting and I can't. I just can't

1231
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: believe you guys have him because I'm ever being so

1232
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: hyped about him when he had like a ten strikeout

1233
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: game against the Yankees for the Blue Jays back a

1234
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 3: like twenty seventeen. But he's probably not going to be

1235
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 3: the answer. David Peterson's my favorite one. I think we

1236
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: kind of forget that. David Peterson was really good for

1237
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 3: a moment in twenty twenty. Then he got hurt and

1238
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: he hasn't really figured it out since. But there's opportunity there.

1239
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: He's still young. That's the one. I'm crossing my fingers

1240
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: for Lukesey. I mean, you're not gonna see him, so

1241
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: he's he got Tommy john in like the end of June.

1242
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, so so much for that. We still

1243
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: sell our Luke Casey you for gayzy shirts, but which

1244
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 3: actually even applies more I think in New York now

1245
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: than San Diego. We gotta change the colors on that.

1246
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 3: But but yeah, it's not looking good. This is why

1247
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: you need like, you need a Tyler Anderson, you need

1248
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 3: a Kacucci, you need Zach Greenky. Go get him.

1249
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: But Greenky's had that issue with wanting to pitch in

1250
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: New York. Again that was the Yankees, and it was

1251
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: also like over a decade ago.

1252
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 3: Wait, there's no pressure with the Mets.

1253
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: No, No, fans are very calm, cool collected.

1254
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, I mean no. I mean your listeners

1255
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: are great. You know, if you're listening, if they they

1256
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 3: know to listen to you, guys, they're clearly smart. Any

1257
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: sort of stereotype you have a Met fan is not

1258
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 3: your listener.

1259
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: So definitely, and they know that Jordan Young Modo is

1260
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: a non entity on this team.

1261
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: That was funny. That was the funniest part to me

1262
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 3: is that the only reason he's a Met is because

1263
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: it was like March twenty third or whatever, and the

1264
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: that's like, you know what, let's just get a ninth

1265
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 3: starter just in case. So then Yamamoto actually has to

1266
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: pitch and he gets hurt right away, and it's just

1267
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: the funniest thing to me. They were they were saying,

1268
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 3: you know what we're gonna do is just in case,

1269
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: and still that didn't even work.

1270
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: Oh man, I have that some harshworts with Jordanya Moother

1271
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: on the show, and I will have if.

1272
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 3: He's just trying his hardest. Man, he's a kid dude,

1273
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 3: he's working.

1274
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: I know that, but I don't see ever there being

1275
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: a pathway to him even having to go four or

1276
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: five ra over one hundred and the stretch.

1277
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: But did you know his middle name is Owen, So

1278
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 3: his name is Joy.

1279
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: Okay, well you know what.

1280
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: I made that up, but you know it sounds like

1281
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 3: it should be right.

1282
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you think the less that we Oh wait,

1283
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: that's not his middle name.

1284
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 3: Noh my god.

1285
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: I was about to say, is that a can joke?

1286
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: You just come up with that?

1287
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 3: I up, of course I came up. But come on, James,

1288
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: you know me by now. This is just never ending.

1289
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: That was that was quick, for sure.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say. I had nothing.

1291
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: I was gonna say something about David Peterson, but I

1292
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: don't even care enough anymore.

1293
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, David Peterson's fine.

1294
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: I feel like always with him. The big like connection

1295
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: that Mets fans make with David Pierce's that he feels

1296
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: like Matt's but with worse stuff because he has the

1297
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: horrible body language. He's another lefty picture that was like

1298
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: a hyped up guy that was supposed to be kind

1299
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: of like not the answer, but the Mets fans hyped him.

1300
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: He was the first round pick. I mean still at

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00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Mets fancy a first round

1302
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: pick and they think he's gonna slot into the rotation

1303
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: at least is like a middle of the rotation guy.

1304
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: And he's just kind of been like underwhelming, especially, like

1305
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: you said, after that really exciting twenty twenty we were like, oh,

1306
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: here he is. Maybe we got something like right. I

1307
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: know James has talked about a lot more on this podcast,

1308
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: but is there something that maybe he needs to do

1309
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: more of, he should do less of, like what seems

1310
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: to be the big problem with him.

1311
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 3: Almost so, there are certain times when things come alive

1312
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 3: for for for Peterson, like when the slider gets really

1313
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: good at times and it's great, but it's just consistency.

1314
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: We really haven't seen him get into a groove with

1315
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 3: all of his pitches. You know. There was that again

1316
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. There's a little bit of a stretch

1317
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: where that was working. And I think there was actually

1318
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: one start where he was doing the Blake Snell blueprint

1319
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: actually like elevating force seems well that race start okay, yeah,

1320
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 3: but then it just goes away and it's like, oh, well,

1321
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 3: never mind that. That's that, you know, and it's I

1322
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: will say something really quickly. You mentioned Steven Mattz, and

1323
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 3: I just want everybody to understand. I sorry, I just

1324
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: saw Jeff pass and sweet I just got this over too. Yeah,

1325
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 3: and I saw it is over. I'm like, what is over?

1326
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 3: Oh the meeting? The meeting is over. I okay, anyway,

1327
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 3: meeting again tomorrow.

1328
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: That's big.

1329
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: Well, all right, that's that is big. That's great. Okay, anyway,

1330
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: with Matts, I just want everybody listening to understand Mats

1331
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: is going to do really well in Saint Louis not

1332
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 3: because he's not a met or not a blue Jay.

1333
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: It's because the Cardinals infield defense and overall defense is glold,

1334
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 3: glove worthy, elite and in that it's the best. It's

1335
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 3: the best defense. It's why Adam wain right, I think,

1336
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 3: did so well last year. It's why Jack flairdy is

1337
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 3: gonna do really well to go. Hudson's going to do

1338
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: really well. Michaelis is going to do better than he should.

1339
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 3: Matts is going to be good for them, and you're

1340
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: gonna hear talk radio, you know, go off about Steven

1341
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 3: Mass like, oh, what Wo've be done? You know, like

1342
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: all this stuff, he should have been hours with a

1343
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 3: three five year array, and like it doesn't work like that.

1344
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: It's not how it works. So just don't think about

1345
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: Matt's mark.

1346
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 2: I finally remember their bet that we were talking about

1347
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 2: the other day that we made a couple of months ago.

1348
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 2: It was about Giovanni Diegos versus Paul Sewald. Paul Sewold.

1349
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 2: Who's Paul Sewald? Who's going to have the higher strike

1350
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: out rate this year?

1351
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 3: Wow? All right, nice, Yeah, it's gonna be sewed Yeah.

1352
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: I didn't even know who the second guy was. For gals,

1353
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: it's gonna be Seawold.

1354
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: Paul.

1355
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: By the way, what do I know?

1356
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 2: I mean, why would you just credit everything you've given

1357
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: us over the last time the.

1358
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: Relievers, the relievers starters. I can help with that. I

1359
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 3: can do that now. A Seawall's filthy, super high CSW

1360
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 3: rates if you don't know that called strikes Suswift's amazing

1361
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 3: correlation to strike out rate. It just over all perfore months.

1362
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: Sea Wald is really deceptive and just flat out filthy.

1363
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: That slider is crazy good. Diegos is great, but I

1364
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: think sea Wald is just just a little bit better.

1365
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: Me too, and then Nick, I guess before we go

1366
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: off here, because it has been a lot of fun.

1367
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: I mean, we can just talk.

1368
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 3: About this has been amazing. Yeah, I've already died. This

1369
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 3: is okay.

1370
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would keep going.

1371
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, I got this is a wonderful break

1372
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 3: between Pitchcon and PL seven all that kind of stuff.

1373
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 3: This is wonderful.

1374
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: It's a great moment. Maybe you should plug Pitchcon tell

1375
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: the listeners what it is.

1376
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 3: Pl I was just so excited to talk.

1377
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: I also saw you. You gave me a you gave

1378
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: me an insult in the and I rundown that. I

1379
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: said to you.

1380
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 3: I did no, no, Well, you said, my boss, I.

1381
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,959
Speaker 2: Can go right to the Better Business viewer right now.

1382
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: You said who is Nick and what does he do?

1383
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 3: And I'm like, all right, well I'm gonna do ourn

1384
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 3: Old Schwarzenegger here in Kindergarten Cop obviously say who is

1385
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: your daddy and what does he do?

1386
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: I don't know that one.

1387
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 3: You don't even what, James, You don't know who is

1388
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 3: your daddy and what does he do? That was so

1389
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: I understand the insult now, I absolutely not, and go

1390
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 3: watch Kindergarten Cop it's the funniest thing ever. They just thought,

1391
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: what is the most ridiculous thing we can make Arnold

1392
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 3: Schwartzeninger do. Oh yeah, be a preschool teacher, like that's

1393
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 3: what the movie is. But anyway, I so so Pitchcon

1394
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: is something we run every year. Is the thirst right

1395
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: year we're doing it. It's we we as picture lists

1396
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: and you guys are gonna be there and right I

1397
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: should forget. Yeah, Hi, Pitcherless, go there. It's an amazing sight.

1398
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 3: We're changing it also in two weeks to do incredible

1399
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 3: things that I can't say, but we're revealing what it

1400
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 3: is on Sunday night, and oh my god, it's incredible. Anyway,

1401
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: pitch Con, you should go to pitchless dot com slash

1402
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 3: pitch Con. You're gonna watch forty four hours live streamed

1403
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 3: there eleven to ten Wednesday through Sunday. It's gonna be

1404
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 3: panels from everybody across baseball. Mark is there, James is there.

1405
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 3: We're gonna have Pitching Ninja there, We're gonna have Enosaurus there,

1406
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 3: We're gonna have DVR, We're gonna have just everyone is there.

1407
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: It's amazing. We're raising money for Feeding America. Half of

1408
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 3: everything we raise, not just proceed's just everything we raise

1409
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 3: is going to feeding America. We have a goal every

1410
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 3: year of ten thousand dollars raised. We have prizes that

1411
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 3: you can win for free. You don't even need to

1412
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 3: contribute to get them. We have a signed Tyler Glasnow

1413
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: Baseball courtesy of Mark over here, and many other prizes,

1414
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 3: including subscriptions and the coveted Lifetime pl Plus subscription which

1415
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 3: will give out during Pitchcon as well. So tune in

1416
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 3: absolutely free. Pitchels dot com. Slash Pitchcon starts eleven am Wednesday,

1417
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 3: January twenty sixth Be.

1418
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: There, amazing, Yeah, we'll be there definitely.

1419
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: Right.

1420
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, my panel, I'm talking about Fantasy Baseball doing player

1421
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: debates on Thursday, and Mark, you're on Saturday, right.

1422
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on Saturday doing it with pitching Ninja and

1423
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: David Mendelssohn was his name, right?

1424
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: Yes? You know his name? You got it right? You know,

1425
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: be more confident you got I remembered.

1426
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: I just I want to make sure it wasn't like

1427
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: a Robert Mendelssohn or something I'd do the last day.

1428
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're gonna be talking about content creation, which obviously,

1429
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: it's what I do every day. So if you guys

1430
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: are interested in that, definitely check out Pitchcon. I'm I'm

1431
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: super excited. Should be a lot of fun.

1432
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah me too.

1433
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: If you miss it, it's gonna be on YouTube as

1434
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 3: well at our at YouTube dot com slash pitcher list.

1435
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 3: The actually can see the previous years, which are still great,

1436
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: from twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. Just a guess

1437
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,479
Speaker 3: since of you also see me with a lot less

1438
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 3: hair because I just shaved my hair in quarantine and

1439
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: it's terrible, like I actually just shaved my hair. Oh

1440
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 3: never again, Never again.

1441
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: Nick, that was a great plug. And before we let

1442
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: you go, I love fancy baseball. You love fancy baseball.

1443
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: Mark doesn't love fancy baseball quite as much. And this

1444
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: will be a little bit of an intro to Pitchcon.

1445
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: Kind of a little bit, but not really. Give me

1446
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: one Mets sleeper, value, breakout or bust for this coming

1447
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 2: fantasy baseball season. You don't have to give me one

1448
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: of each, just give me one or two total.

1449
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 3: Oh man. Okay, to appease met fans, I'm gonna tell

1450
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: you that Jeff McNeil is better than he was Okay,

1451
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 3: that's all I'm gonna tell you right now that do

1452
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 3: not undervalue Jeff McNeil. I think he is soone for

1453
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 3: your fantasy teams that will get playing time for you guys,

1454
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 3: and is just much better than what we saw in

1455
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. But yeah, Carls Carrasco, absolutely, I think

1456
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 3: there's a lot of hope still in the change up

1457
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 3: in the slider, and especially considering in fantasy realm he's

1458
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 3: going after the twenty third rounds, so in your standard

1459
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 3: twelve team where he's not even getting drafted, he's exactly

1460
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: the guy that you can see after the first start

1461
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 3: if it's actually working or not. If the velossity's still

1462
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 3: there and he has this changement slider, things are going

1463
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 3: to be great for Carlos Carrasco. And there you go.

1464
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 3: You have a service wall starter for your twelve team

1465
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 3: or for the cost of free. So definitely keep an

1466
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: eye on him.

1467
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: We'll even though that by the time spring training rolls around,

1468
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: by the time we see him through even one competitive enning,

1469
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: you'll be able to get a good sense were Carlos

1470
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 2: Carrasco will.

1471
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 3: Be this year. See, we won't quite know about the

1472
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 3: slider the change up. But as long as yeah, as

1473
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: long as he's still sitting in ninety three and a

1474
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: half or ninety four, then like there's a good chance

1475
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 3: you can come out swinging or at least making them

1476
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 3: swing and miss.

1477
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: No, that's about if he's swinging. I hope he's swing anymore.

1478
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: Please please?

1479
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: No more?

1480
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, no more? Right, just please thee we're on the

1481
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 3: same page about this.

1482
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: Kind of like to put your hand like I like

1483
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: the different rules a little bit.

1484
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 3: Can I ask you guys a question before you go?

1485
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 3: I love asking this to everybody. Yes, what is your

1486
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 3: most controversial baseball opinion?

1487
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: Mark?

1488
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the extra ending rule last year. I

1489
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: think it's electric. I think that it gives me the opportunity,

1490
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: like especially once like ten o'clock at night Mets game

1491
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: wraps up, if I see the Detroit Tigers in Kansasity

1492
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: Royals or an extra innings to turning it on because

1493
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: I know something's gonna happen, like and especially now with

1494
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: sports betting in New York. Oh my god, that extra

1495
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: ending rule is electric city Like that is right TV?

1496
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Like it's the worst one. It's like twelve

1497
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 3: the twelfth inning. Like games are still going on. There's

1498
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 3: no extra in any rule, and I'm just I have

1499
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 3: to write my article. I gotta finish this. I gotta say,

1500
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 3: you know, I gotta complete it, and I can't because

1501
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 3: they just won't end, and no one is happy now,

1502
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 3: just for the sake of baseball that it needs to

1503
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 3: keep going. It's just no, man, it's so electric. Exactly

1504
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 3: what you said, Mark, I'm on board.

1505
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: I like that too. I didn't you think that was controversial.

1506
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: I can't think of a controversial take I have right

1507
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: now in terms.

1508
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: Well, I'll help you. I think lefties can't. They have

1509
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 3: to step off to throw the first Okay, I hate it.

1510
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 3: I hate it so much that they gat this stupid

1511
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: thing just because they're a lefty and not alrighty. And

1512
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 3: it if you want to help the game with like

1513
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 3: stolen base and stuff, you can always do first move.

1514
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 3: There's you know, guys are gonna steal more. But I

1515
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: just think there's this also so many questions about is

1516
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 3: this a boker or not, And a lot of times

1517
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 3: they get away with them. Just don't do it. You

1518
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: gotta step off, just step off.

1519
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, lefties block every time I found my controversial baseball

1520
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: take go ahead. I would do away within your league

1521
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: play what. I have no desire to see the teams

1522
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: in separate leagues play, especially now given the landscap baseball

1523
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: that there are different rules in the different leagues. I

1524
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: like playing more games in your division, more games against

1525
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: teams that are geographically accessible. I want to bring baseball

1526
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: old school.

1527
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 1: What year were you born?

1528
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 2: Nineteen thirty six?

1529
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: Wait a second, Wait a second, James, only my understanding

1530
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 3: of the Subway Series. For years as a Yankee fan,

1531
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 3: I wouldn't get so excited about this, But all my

1532
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 3: friends that are Mets fans, this was your World Series.

1533
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 2: Well you see, we're not in that world anymore, Niked

1534
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: those days are behind now.

1535
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 3: Ohas will change, James. You're at the peak now, but

1536
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 3: in five years you're gonna be like, wait, I need

1537
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 3: the Subway Series back.

1538
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 2: We need to prove they're better than the Yankees.

1539
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 3: You don't want to have the Subway Series.

1540
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: I think maybe a couple series like the Subway Series

1541
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 2: is useful. The A's and the Giants are useful, The

1542
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: Cubs and White Sox are useful. But the vast majority

1543
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: of Inner league play is just to me basically a

1544
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 2: waste of time. If there's no actual bread rivalry out

1545
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: of it, I think that just becomes kind of a

1546
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: situation where you're playing against teams are Like the way

1547
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: the Majorleague Baseball schedule is ridiculous. The way it is

1548
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: right now. I'm just my big thing is that they

1549
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: should adjust a way to do it, because the way

1550
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: they schedule it seems like to have a very low

1551
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: grade developer who's making the schedule and putting in the format.

1552
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 2: Because the Mets will play the Diamondbacks to the Orioles,

1553
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: Dimingbacks to the Orioles, and move on the part of

1554
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: schedules over and for so, I don't understand why that

1555
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: is the case, Like we should be playing against teams

1556
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 2: that are more pertinent to the end of the year standings.

1557
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: I won more games against the Phillies, more games against

1558
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: the bread Atlanta.

1559
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 3: You should. You should look into who does the MLB schedule.

1560
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 3: It's by hand. And I believe this this old couple

1561
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 3: has been doing it for like sixty years.

1562
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 2: Are you being facetious?

1563
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 3: I'm not.

1564
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm not in the program.

1565
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 3: This is like it's it's like a yeah, it's like

1566
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 3: a very famous thing, and I don't know if it

1567
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 3: recently ended or not, but I remember this on my

1568
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 3: head of like just the people who make the MLBU schedule,

1569
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 3: and it's really doing schedules. I just did the pitch

1570
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 3: Con one, which was organizing eighty plus people for four days,

1571
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 3: and my god, I messed it up. I can't imagine

1572
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 3: them doing one hundred and sixty two games for thirty teams.

1573
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 3: And I'm so sorry that they have to play the

1574
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 3: Diamondbacks twice in two weeks.

1575
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 2: But it's just the whole It just doesn't make any

1576
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: sense to me. When I see the mess schedule come out,

1577
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: it's really stupid. I don't like it. I want to

1578
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: see you play the teams that are more important to

1579
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: the where you end the.

1580
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 3: Season, especially if that makes sense.

1581
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 2: Unless we put all these teams in a one through

1582
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: sixteen bracket before the playoffs, why are we playing them

1583
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: so often during the regular season? This is your competition.

1584
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 3: Do you guys feel that every single team that fishes

1585
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 3: above five hundred should make the playoffs?

1586
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: No?

1587
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 3: No, why not?

1588
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: Because you have the American League Central which no team

1589
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: should make the playoffs outside the White Sox.

1590
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 3: Well, you can give like wa year division you have

1591
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 3: a bye for example, they have a one game playoff

1592
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 3: and stuff from there.

1593
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 2: I don't think five hundreds like a barometer to being

1594
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: like you're good, you know what I mean. I think

1595
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: five hundred is like you're hard. It is hard time.

1596
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: I was saying, it's easy, but.

1597
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 3: You're above average. If you get above five hundred.

1598
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 2: You are technically, but it's like, is that above average

1599
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: because you win one half of your games? Or is

1600
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 2: the above average you won more than the median games

1601
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: won by major league team that season? You know?

1602
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that isn't that just every season? Like how

1603
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 3: are you supposed to differentiate that?

1604
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

1605
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: I feel like the way we've talked about, especially like

1606
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: with the labors, with the expansion of playoffs, we've been

1607
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: like first two teams in each division. I think that's

1608
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: probably like the perfect way to do it because really,

1609
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that probably covers what

1610
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: you said about the over five hundred teams, and then

1611
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: that covers also like you get the Ale Central was

1612
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: gonna get like the Tigers in there at eighty and

1613
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: eighty two or whatever, they'll be Wow, look at.

1614
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 3: You give it the Tigers eighty two.

1615
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: I love the Tigers this year.

1616
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I would love to see it. Probably means

1617
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 3: that Spencer Turmple pitches meaningful innings and that would be cool.

1618
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 2: Is even he got Tommy John last June Curry.

1619
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that, So like probably September you can

1620
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 3: come back and maybe make some sort of impact. That

1621
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 3: would be amazing. I would love to see that. Yeah.

1622
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 3: But I'll say this though, in twenty twenty, I know

1623
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 3: we felt like it was a different thing, but eight

1624
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 3: teams in the playoffs. The teams that were supposed to

1625
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 3: be there at the end were still there, and that

1626
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 3: was so fine. Watching the Marlins beat the Cups that

1627
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 3: would have never happened.

1628
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: We had a day of it where it was like

1629
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,959
Speaker 1: the three straight days of at least four games of it.

1630
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 3: Wasn't it the greatest thing ever?

1631
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 2: Credible?

1632
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 3: And here you're saying, like, let's not have more people

1633
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 3: in the playoffs.

1634
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 2: Oh, we're fine with a general amount of more people

1635
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. You said every team over five hundred.

1636
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 3: Well that essentially what that was, though, I mean that's

1637
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 3: that's half of the league, and that's fifteen teams the league,

1638
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 3: So seven to eight teams.

1639
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,479
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true that they're settling between I think twelve

1640
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 2: and fourteen teams anyway with this negotiation.

1641
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I'm a for fourteen guys. I'm in for

1642
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 3: more baseball, more excitement, you know, just like let's just

1643
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 3: go crazy. Look, we just saw the playoffs this weekend.

1644
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 3: That was the best thing ever with football and I

1645
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 3: hate football, and that was amazing. That was so great.

1646
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 2: It was amazing. But then that comes from the better

1647
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 2: teams still being in. Like, if the baseball does expand

1648
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: to the fourteen team playoffs, I would love to see

1649
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: strong benefits given to the better teams because that twenty

1650
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: season I saw, Yeah, we saw teams like the Dodgers

1651
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 2: and Yankees really take their feed off the gas pedal

1652
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: because they were very comfortably winning their division, right and

1653
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 2: nothing left to play for for even fifteen games. To

1654
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: have a sixty game season, and suddenly you get to

1655
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 2: a spot where you're don't have anything to play for

1656
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 2: for thirty five games out one hundred and sixty two

1657
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 2: game season. It'll make the fancy baseball playoffs nearly impossible

1658
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 2: to navigate. Could you imagine the previews that we're gonna

1659
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 2: have to be doing on pitt your list when we

1660
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 2: don't know who's gonna be pitching for that.

1661
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yes, And I still cannot believe we put

1662
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 3: out the previews that we do. Huge, huge hats off

1663
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 3: to the entire team, graphics side and writing side getting

1664
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 3: those playoff previews out. Oh my god, that's insane.

1665
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: Remember those schedule previews last year? Murdered my Sunday night.

1666
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 2: Those were insane.

1667
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 3: Are you saying you're not gonna do them again? Are

1668
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 3: you act on.

1669
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 2: Those this year? Well, I mean with the other thing

1670
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be doing, I think it's gonna be a lot.

1671
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 3: Well, you know, if you guys don't know, James an

1672
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 3: amazing job, like incredible job with the schedule stuff last year.

1673
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 3: That was such a huge help to everybody, help for.

1674
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 2: Me, so everybody inmate.

1675
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the way I see, if I'm using it,

1676
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 3: then like y'all should be using it too. I am

1677
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 3: that egotistical about what I use And no, it was.

1678
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 3: It was such an amazing thing and it takes a

1679
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 3: lot of work. So great job. But that thanks for

1680
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 3: indulging me with the extra question. I think it's just

1681
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: a fun one. I'm curious what you guys thought.

1682
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, we've got nothing else to talk about here.

1683
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: There's still no baseball. As soon as we end this,

1684
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna go check our phones to see if pass

1685
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: And has any updates with any sort of actual information

1686
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: that could be useful of James gave me the one.

1687
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: What he got, James, it.

1688
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: Was a thread after he said that initial tweet, he

1689
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 2: tweets seven minutes later, eight minutes ago. I'll just read

1690
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: it now. Let's go for it. At the risk of

1691
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 2: being debut down there, Let's not get too far ahead

1692
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 2: of ourselves here. The meaning was contentious. There is a

1693
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 2: lot a lot left to work out before this new

1694
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 2: labor deal. This could still cake a while. But the

1695
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: fact that it didn't go backward when it could have

1696
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 2: W period question mark w periods. How Jeff Passon ended that?

1697
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 3: All right, Jeff, that's good. Jeff is art man. We

1698
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 3: are so lucky to have Jeff Passing. I really cannot

1699
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 3: express that enough.

1700
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: Love it.

1701
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 3: I like him.

1702
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've we've had some contention with Jeff Passed to

1703
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 1: hear on the Best of Podcasts. We understand that low

1704
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: Met's harvest clicks, and Jeff Passing leans into that more

1705
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: than you probably should.

1706
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 3: Oh what did he do?

1707
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: He's had a flurry of tweets.

1708
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: There's just like like Jameson's like just Mets get clicks. Okay,

1709
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: understand it from AKA wait.

1710
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 3: Wait wait, hold on, hold on.

1711
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 2: Though.

1712
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 3: First of all, I know I've been borderline insulting at

1713
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 3: times in this podcast, and I apologize profusely. It's all

1714
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 3: a bit. It's all for fun, all ton of cheek,

1715
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 3: especially because I've gone through it all my life. Now

1716
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 3: I understand so much of the Mets. I guess plight

1717
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 3: everything you guys have been through that. I feel that

1718
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 3: as great Met fans, you know how to embrace that

1719
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 3: and make fun of yourselves. Jeff, I imagine was not

1720
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 3: being negative of it. You should be happy that he

1721
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 3: acknowledges that plight.

1722
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: We're aware that he's aware, and I can respect that

1723
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 2: from the perspective content creation. But once in a while,

1724
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: I'd like maybe just back off for a second, Like

1725
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 2: when Zack Scott gets absolved of his DUI because of

1726
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 2: a court malpractice and then people are like the Mets

1727
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 2: jump the gun and firing their GM who slept in

1728
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 2: his car at in Connecticut blue black alcohol level over

1729
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 2: the legal limit, you know like that is not really

1730
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: a reason to dunk on the Mets for prematurely firing

1731
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 2: a general manager who was sleeping in his car at

1732
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 2: three o'clock in the morning.

1733
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, I hadn't thought about Zach Scott

1734
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 3: for a while for.

1735
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 2: No reason too.

1736
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 3: It was it was a good time, James, whatever you

1737
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 3: got to do.

1738
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 2: Well.

1739
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: Anyway, we've gotten unbelievably sidetracked here yet. We wrap up

1740
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: our interview with Nick Poulk. Nick real quick again, huge,

1741
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on and talking about the Mets, Mets, pitching, everything.

1742
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: We really did go all over the place with this one,

1743
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: so I'm sure the viewer is going to enjoy it.

1744
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: Tell everyone where they can find you again, plug pictureless

1745
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: one more time, and anything you want to talk about.

1746
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 3: I mean, we're our one stop shop for baseball. Just

1747
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 3: coming by to pitches dot com. We do everything fantasy,

1748
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 3: but we do everything baseball too. We have I think

1749
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Speaker 3: fifteen podcasts fifteen to twenty podcasts on our network. You

1750
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 3: should definitely be checking out. But yeah, we have a

1751
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 3: mega launch on February eighth, PL seven. I can't say

1752
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 3: anything more, but like you really want to know what

1753
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 3: it is for any baseball fan not fantasy and of

1754
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Speaker 3: course come by to Pitchcon Wednesday, January twenty sixth to

1755
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Speaker 3: eleven am. Win free prizes, all the fun stuff. You

1756
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Speaker 3: guys rock. Seriously, I've been very lucky this past year

1757
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Speaker 3: to interact with you guys a lot more and it's

1758
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 3: just a ton of fun. I'm so happy you guys

1759
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 3: are in New York.

1760
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 2: This is the best.

1761
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: No, it's nice and especially when you know baseball does

1762
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 1: come around, we're gonna we're gonna have to maybe get together,

1763
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 1: maybe do an in person, grab a beer, you know,

1764
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: face something out and talk a little more abouts baseball

1765
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: with you.

1766
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 3: Oh definitely, I'm so doubt for that.

1767
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 2: Can anyone who loves baseball make sure you check out

1768
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: Pitchcon if you like listening to me and Mark Talker,

1769
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 2: We're both gonna be there. And when we loves fantasy baseball,

1770
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: stay with Pitchureless all year. I got some big things

1771
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 2: going on this year with them, with Nick of course too.

1772
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a great year of baseball. We hope.

1773
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, with that doubt, Nick, thanks for coming on

1774
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: and uh messed up listeners. That was an interview with

1775
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: Nick Pollok. Thanks for listening.

1776
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 3: That was amazing.

1777
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, So it was good to get Nick finally

1778
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: on because I know you've you've known him a little

1779
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: bit longer than me, and I kind of know you

1780
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: know him through you and you see he's a great guy.

1781
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: And being the fact that he's in New York as well,

1782
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: we see in my games all the time. Like we

1783
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: mentioned in the interview, he's definitely gonna be popping on

1784
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: here every once in a while during the season as well.

1785
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Nick is fun, Nick is knowledgeable, Nick

1786
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: has a he's very uh, he's been doing this for

1787
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 2: a very long time, very consistently. He's good. Pitcherless started

1788
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: that Nick was a one man show. He was literally

1789
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 2: writing up every single night how every single pitcher did,

1790
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 2: recording his own podcast, the First Pitch podcast that was

1791
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 2: like a good preview, daily preview for fantasy baseball players,

1792
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty minutes every single day. So he was doing

1793
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 2: all of that after the games ended and before he

1794
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 2: went to sleep every single day for years and years

1795
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 2: and years before he added more people in Adam more people,

1796
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 2: and addam more people in this year. New PL seven

1797
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: is gonna be a major update. It's gonna be. It

1798
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 2: really is one of the premieer base fall size the Internet.

1799
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 2: It's gonna have some major additions too that think everyone

1800
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 2: is gonna look a lot and again it's just fun.

1801
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so make sure you guys definitely go support all

1802
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: the stuff he does. Picture list, find it, Google it.

1803
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: You'll be able to find all the knick stuff there.

1804
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: Big thanks to him for coming on again. I know

1805
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: we've probably said it on the outro of the intro

1806
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: or the interview, but we'll do it again. And then

1807
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: I guess the last thing we have to talk about here,

1808
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: just real quick, Hall of Fame got announced. I know

1809
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with the Mets because we

1810
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: didn't really have anybody on there, but David Orton never

1811
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: really do. Yeah, big Poppy got in, which good for him.

1812
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: He deserves it one hundred percent.

1813
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 3: No Bonds, no.

1814
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: Clemmings, no Rolling, No Andrew Jones, no, no, no Wagner. Yeah,

1815
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: Wagner's the worst one. Wagner deserves to be a Hall

1816
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: of Fame or no doubt. I mean you've been tweeted

1817
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: a little bit about James. Real quick, what's your take

1818
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: on the Hall of Fame voting, Everything that's been going on.

1819
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 2: It's just I'm so tired of the way we go

1820
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 2: about the Hall of Fame because we basically have these

1821
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: five hundred. There's some odd writers who are kind of

1822
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 2: just stuck inside their own brains all the time. There's

1823
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 2: probably like, out of all the five hundred, I be

1824
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: ibww I BWWA is that the per acronym I don't

1825
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 2: even care in the National Baseball Writers Association of America.

1826
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 2: These guys are mostly just all either way too stuck

1827
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 2: inside their own takes or just really behind the times,

1828
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 2: or they just really only care about themselves and they

1829
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: really only care about the way they interact with these players.

1830
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 2: And it doesn't make any logical sense in my brain

1831
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 2: to have David Lutiez, a guy who has been caught

1832
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 2: taking steroids, was never suspended by Major League Baseball, but

1833
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 2: neither was Barry Bonds.

1834
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Barrey Bunce never suspended.

1835
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 2: Doesn't make any sense that he could be in the

1836
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame on the first ballot as being a

1837
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 2: player who never played defense and had like thirteen like

1838
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 2: really good years, really really good years, but he wasn't

1839
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 2: someone who was really if you look at the entire

1840
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 2: body of work an elite, elite, elite player. It was

1841
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,560
Speaker 2: a very good one. Doesn't make any sense that he

1842
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: can get in the Hall of Fame in the first time,

1843
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 2: that Barry Bonds cannot get it at all.

1844
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even a guy like Roger Clemens, who I

1845
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: hate that guy's guts. He's one of my least favorit players.

1846
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: He actually is my least favorite player of all time.

1847
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 2: He was also a bit of a sexual predator.

1848
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: So was he really You didn't know that, I didn't know.

1849
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he had a relationship with a young girl

1850
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 2: for a long time.

1851
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, that's not good as a pitcher, very good. Yeah,

1852
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: that stuff bad, no good.

1853
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Roger Clemons had what was reported by the New

1854
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 2: York Date News in two thousand and eight as a

1855
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 2: decade long affair with an aspiring country music star Mindy

1856
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: mccreedy that apparently started when mccreedy was between fifteen and

1857
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 2: sixteen years old and Clemens was twenty eight.

1858
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: Oh don't like that, Okay, Well, and he was a

1859
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 1: married father of two already. Yeah, that's gross, not great,

1860
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: not good. Jerry Seidin felt part two. But yeah, we

1861
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: could stop talking about that now we're done. With that anyway.

1862
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame, it's just it's stupid. It's it's

1863
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: like it was really I remember when I was young,

1864
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: it was really cool and it was something I was like,

1865
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: this is amazing, this is so cool. There's this this

1866
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: Baseball Hall of Fame. But it feels like, like you said,

1867
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: it's a popularity contest. It's an ego, you know, check

1868
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: for all these writers. There was a guy who tweeted

1869
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: out today that he finally gave up his vote. He's like,

1870
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: I haven't covered baseball in ten years.

1871
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Practice Telle, the guy who does all the film

1872
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 2: recapsure the Jets games.

1873
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, I gave it my vote because I

1874
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: haven't covered baseball in ten years. Is like in the

1875
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: fact that Barry Bonds isn't in, I don't want to

1876
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: be associated with it. So like that stuff needs to

1877
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: happen more. But then you gotta got Dan Shaughnessy or

1878
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: whatever for Boston Globe, who's a certifiable moron, I mean,

1879
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: absolute idiot, racist whatever he is. He has some racial

1880
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: comments in the past about David Ortiz and other Latin

1881
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: players that you're like, m you probably shouldn't still be

1882
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: having a job, and then like he also has pubic

1883
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: hair for hair, yes, the worst hair in the world.

1884
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like, there's just a lot of people who

1885
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,839
Speaker 1: don't have the proper information, who don't have the proper

1886
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: head between their shoulders to be making such an important

1887
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: decision for what is supposed to be like the telling

1888
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: of the history of the greatest game on the earth

1889
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 1: in baseball, Like we're not having Barry Bonds, the greatest

1890
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: player of all time maybe top five if you really

1891
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: want to make the argument because of steroids, not in

1892
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. It's just absolutely asinine. And even

1893
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: Jeff Pasen drops an article about and say that Baseball's

1894
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 1: failing by not having him in there, and I agree.

1895
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 2: Especially like if you're not taking a hearts dance against

1896
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 2: every steroids or ever, it just seems like the writers

1897
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: are basically picking and choosing as a unit who gets

1898
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 2: in who doesn't it take steroids, Dave artisticosteroids. Everyone knows that.

1899
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 2: I still think he's a Hall of Famer despite the

1900
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 2: fact it took steroids. And David Lortiz makes less sense

1901
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 2: than Bonds with the steroids because it seems like steroids

1902
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 2: would really fuel David Artiz's massive success in them in

1903
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: two thousands rather than Bonds, who had a Hall of

1904
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 2: Fame career before he ever even put head in the

1905
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: home runs.

1906
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: And then it also brings up the whole thing of like, well,

1907
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 1: what is a performance enhance your drug? What is And

1908
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: because guys to greenies for decades upon decades, and while

1909
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: that isn't going to make you physically stronger, well, definitely

1910
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: boost your performance without a doubt. I mean you're more

1911
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: locked in, you're more focused, you're more like amped up,

1912
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: ready to go.

1913
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 2: And they also became illegal after a certain points, similar

1914
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: to steroids that were not illegal up to a certain point,

1915
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 2: or not bands supps by Major League Baseball up to

1916
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 2: a certain point. So it's a really it's a gray

1917
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 2: area that no one has seemed to be able to

1918
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 2: actually create the differences in the mug and like, actually

1919
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 2: look at this in a nuanced, intelligent way. So it's

1920
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 2: just it's pure randomness and it's just these riters just

1921
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: stroking their own egos year after year.

1922
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sucks. It's just become like a bit of

1923
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: a hot topic for the month of January when nothing's

1924
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 1: going on in baseball, and I feel like especially this

1925
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: year because there literally was nothing going on in baseball,

1926
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: more so than ever. But the Hall of Fame will

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Speaker 1: go back to being what it is and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about it again next January. That's all we got for

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame for you today, but it's a

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Speaker 1: great way to wrap up Episode number seventy two of

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Speaker 1: the Messed Up Podcast. Thank you guys for listening, Thank

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Speaker 1: do appreciate it, and uh yeah, we'll wrap it up.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you guys next week for another episode. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about once upon a time in Queens. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about baseball. Who knows, you'll have to find

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Speaker 1: out that.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys for listening. We'll see you next time. Peace out,

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Speaker 2: The du