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Speaker 1: Oh delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did What Now?

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Speaker 1: The history podcast that is not your history class with me,

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Speaker 1: your host, Katie Charlwood, history harlot and reader of books.

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Speaker 1: So it's been it's been a funny old week. So,

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Speaker 1: as you know, it's Titanic month and we have been

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Speaker 1: following stories of people throughout the Triitanic And one of

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Speaker 1: the videos I filmed for the socials I did at

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Speaker 1: work upstairs at work after I'd gone to the doctors,

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Speaker 1: and one man really really mad about this, like he

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Speaker 1: complained that I should be taking my bandages off, and like,

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Speaker 1: first of all, their plasters or band aids, like it's

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Speaker 1: you know, or like that medical band aid thing they use,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I had them because I literally came straight

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Speaker 1: from the doctors and then filmed the video. But like,

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Speaker 1: imagine being personally offended by someone wearing.

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Speaker 2: A band aid after a medical procedure, right, imagine being

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Speaker 2: mad about that, like what what?

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Speaker 1: Like that's ridiculous. It's a very ridiculous thing for people

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Speaker 1: to be complaining about. But yet here we are and

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what it is these

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Speaker 1: last few days, but I have had just the biggest

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Speaker 1: bloody headache, and it's like permeating, like through my skull

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Speaker 1: into my jaw. So at this point, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I'm just holding an awful lot of tension in

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Speaker 1: my body, but I think I might be holding a

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Speaker 1: lot attention in my body. Oh dear, oh dear, you

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Speaker 1: may anyhow, I know what you are all thinking. You're thinking, Kerry, Please,

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Speaker 1: it's been two minutes, Jebel Zabba, in fact me, in

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Speaker 1: fact you I will. But first we've got to get

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Speaker 1: our source on. Our sources are lights The Odyssey of C. H.

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Speaker 1: Lightoller by Patrick Stenson, Titanic and Other Ships by Charles Lighthall,

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Speaker 1: The Voyage between Truth and Fiction. Stories of the Titanic

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Speaker 1: by Rebecca are Sanchez, Titanic Disaster Hearings before the Subcommittee

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Speaker 1: of the Committee on Commerce, United States Senate Doc. Seven

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Speaker 1: two six sixty Second Congress, Second Session, nineteen twelve. Report

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Speaker 1: on the Loss of the Titanic by the British Rick

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Speaker 1: Commissioner's Inquiry, nineteen twelve. We also have Encyclopedia Titanica, history

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Speaker 1: dot com, and biography dot com. Now I was it

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Speaker 1: in comfortably good? Then let's begin. Charles Herbert Lightaller was

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Speaker 1: born on the thirtieth of March eighteen seventy four to

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Speaker 1: Frederick James Lighthaller and Sarah Jane Widrows in Charley, Lancashire, England.

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Speaker 1: Is from Lancashire, So for context, Queen Victoria was on

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Speaker 1: the throne at the time, and you're thinking, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: like seventy four years, seventy four years and eighty four years. Listen,

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Speaker 1: it was a long time. She was on the throne

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Speaker 1: for quite a while. And yeah, Queen Victoria on the phone,

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Speaker 1: it's eighty four years. Listen. I'm not up on the

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Speaker 1: Kings and Queen's in the length of time in which

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Speaker 1: they reigned. But she was on the throne for like

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Speaker 1: nearly a whole centuries. So whenever you mention the eighteen hundreds,

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Speaker 1: it is, you know, less surprising to hear that Queen

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Speaker 1: Victoria was atop the throne with a weight danic diny

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Speaker 1: legs dangleing from it. She was quite small, so anyway,

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Speaker 1: Charles Lightaller was the second son and the youngest of five.

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Speaker 1: When he was only a few weeks old, his mother,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Jane, contracted scarlet fever, a disease that would claim

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Speaker 1: the lives of his siblings, Richard and Caroline, and his

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Speaker 1: grandfather in quick succession. The light Tawllers ran a cotton

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Speaker 1: savvy businessman, he was not so. When light Taller was

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Speaker 1: Like he didn't have any more kids. Actually, Frederick James,

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Speaker 1: left all your kids behind, Matt like what anywhow? Charles

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Speaker 1: he was thirteen, he travels to Liverpool on an excursion

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Speaker 1: According to Lightholler, a sailor invites them on board. Now

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Speaker 1: it's a really bad accent. I'm so sorry. But he

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Speaker 1: fourteen years old, Charles Herbert Leetoller packs his gear and

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Speaker 1: the moldy pork and lime juice that they were provided.

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Speaker 1: Charles Lighthaller. The boys got to know the ship very

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Speaker 1: well and soon discovered that panels gave them access into

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Speaker 1: They sailed. They survived. Over the next few years later

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Speaker 1: enjoyed visiting various ports he liked. He very much enjoyed

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Speaker 1: actual fact, one of Letholer's crewmates had contracted smallpox. But

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Speaker 1: The Whole Hill had to stop on its way to

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Speaker 1: And then a voice cries out, A voice nobody wants

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Speaker 1: The ship runs aground and Lighthaller is practically tribuchaded into

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Speaker 1: the air. And is this the end? No, of course not,

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Speaker 3: They're on land, and you know, we're eaten by.

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Speaker 1: in these parts org. For two days the men searched

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Speaker 1: he carries her up a flight of stairs like he's

424
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: so into her, and he ends up finding out. By

425
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: finding out, he inquires watches and asks when she had

426
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: her meals so that he could be around to help her,

427
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: so like to carry her to her breakfast and to

428
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: her dinner and things, and like the other crew, they're

429
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: just like why won't you marry her? Like what is

430
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: wrong with you? Because like yours so into her boy

431
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: woo woo woo woo, and like they're probably making like

432
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: kissing noises at them from like behind a door. Childs

433
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: and sildey a treat. Okay, yes, sissy and gee. So

434
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: then of course he proposes. So they dock in Sydney,

435
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: like they're not they're not going very far right, So

436
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: they dawk in Sydney, get married, and then travel back

437
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: to England as husband and wife. Now after this he

438
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: moves from the Australia route to the Transatlantic route. He

439
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: sells on the Majestic, then the Oceanic, and he has

440
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: taken home a good chunk of change. Right what he

441
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: earns on one trip on the Oceanic was what he

442
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: earned the total of the previous year. Now this is

443
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: his favorite ship, Like this is his favorite ship to

444
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: be on, like being on the sea. This is the

445
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: place he wants to be, like this is it? So

446
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: it's here where he was named Officer of the Watch

447
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: under Captain John G. Cameron. He worked for years on

448
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: the Oceanic ending up like as a second officer. So

449
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: the White Star Line had been expanding and growing over time,

450
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: and there was a big boss of a ship and

451
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: he wanted on it, the RMS Titanic, because he wants

452
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: to progress. And he's told like, this is the one,

453
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: this is the big boy, this is the one we

454
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: want to be on. And so originally he is named

455
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: fust officer. William mud Duck was chief officer. Second officer

456
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: was David Blair, and the captain was Edward J. Smith.

457
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: Now he had actually met Edward J. Smith like before this,

458
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: and they had worked together on previous like White Star

459
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: Line ships, and he considered the captain a friend. Now

460
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: White Star Line for wherever the hell reason decided that

461
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: instead of keeping this very specific way that they had

462
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: originally planned it, that they were gonna shake things up

463
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: a little and change it around.

464
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 6: And yeah, yeah, decided to bring in some Olympic crew,

465
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 6: including Henry Wilde as chief officer.

466
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: This bumped Mr Doctor first led to all of a

467
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: second and Blair off the ship. So the men, you know,

468
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: they joined the sea trails in Belfast, and yeah, went

469
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: through everything. Everything seemed fine, going through all their safety

470
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: protocols Unfortunately, what no one knew, like at the time

471
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: was the David layer when he left, he did so

472
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: with the keys to the cabinet that stole the binoculars.

473
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Now that isn't just like this like very easily accessible cabinet.

474
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 1: Otherwise somebody would have just like Jimmy to open. Because

475
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: let's fix it, somebody would have Jimmy to open for

476
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: a pair of binoculars. Because that's these guys have tricks. Okay,

477
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: So anyway they do the trials and the contemporary safety

478
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: standards of the time well met. The Titanic left Belfast,

479
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: then on April tenth left Southampton, made it to way

480
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: to Sherbeau in France and then Cove and Cork in Ireland,

481
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: which was also known as Queenstown at the time. At

482
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: the French port, he was informed that the ship had

483
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: no binoculars. Now here's the thing, Okay, why would a

484
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: ship only have one set of binoculars? And now understand

485
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: that this could be a financial thing. However, no expense

486
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: was spelled building the Olympic class liners. Like when I

487
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: say there wasn't a budget, there was not a budget. Okay.

488
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: They really went all out to ensure that these were

489
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: the best vessels they could be, and so one set

490
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: of binoculars just seems like, you know, something that was overlooked. Sorry,

491
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: my voice is getting very high pitch now. So here's

492
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: the thing. They're like, they don't think it's going to

493
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: be that bad because the Marconi operators, so the guys

494
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: who run the radio, they would be informed of dangerous

495
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: and so they decided listen, right, these guys will be

496
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: informed if there's any stuff out there, if there's anything

497
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: to look out for. So it'll be fine, and we'll

498
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: just pick up and new binoculars when they reach New

499
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: York and we'll have it for the journey home. Cut

500
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: to April fourteenth at ten pm. So he Charles Lighthaller

501
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: is relieved by Muduck. Like a warner could come in

502
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: about ice ahead, but that message never made it to

503
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: Lighthaller or the bridge. Murdock and Lightholler discussed just how

504
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: dark it is. It's a moonless night with poor to

505
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: no visibility. Right. There's always this talk about how clear

506
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: the skies were, and like that's fine, it's fine if

507
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: there's no cloud cover, but it doesn't help if there's nothing. Okay,

508
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: So pure darkness. There is no moon, there's no light

509
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: source from anywhere, there's just the darkness ahead. There's nothing

510
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: to see until it's too late. So he goes to

511
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: bed and like he tries to rest. So basically his

512
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: shifts tend to be four hours on and eight hours off,

513
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: and so you're basically rotating just to ensure that people

514
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: get enough rest to be able to do their job.

515
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: And so he wants to be warm, he wants to

516
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: get a cozy, he wants to have a nap. He

517
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: is drifting off. He's like basically out when he is

518
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: awoken sharply at twenty to midnight, He's jerked awake, right.

519
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: He looks outside his door and he doesn't see any commotion,

520
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: and he decides to wait in his cabin because people

521
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: know he's supposed to be in his cabin and if

522
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: somebody wants to find him, they will. He's easy to

523
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: fde Fourth Officer John Boxall comes and tells him that

524
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: they've hit an iceberg, and let Toler throws on some

525
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: clothes over his pajamas. He's got trousers, he's got a

526
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: navy jumper and his bridge coat. Now, the thing about

527
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: the Titanic which everyone seems to manage to forget, is

528
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: that it was designed to be its own lifeboat. The

529
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: lower deck had water tight doors that would close, keeping

530
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: the ship afloat and pumping out water, so like it's

531
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: basically an engineering marvel. Basically, if two components were full,

532
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: it would stay afloat. Unfortunately, the breach in the hull

533
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: resulted in six compartments filling with water, so it's not

534
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: even one big gash. The way of the iceberg hit

535
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: the ship is that it's several small gashes or small

536
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: by comparison to the anormity of the ship, like all

537
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: across it. And that's where that's where this trouble comes from.

538
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: Because if it was just two compartments, if it was

539
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: just one, but this just it just took over, you know.

540
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: And so the other thing about the lifeboats is that

541
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: the Titanic actually had more lifeboats than it was required

542
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: to have because it was to do with tonnage and

543
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: not for passengers. Because these lifeboats were designed to be

544
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, ferries, right, they were supposed to ferry the

545
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: people from one sinking ship to the rescue ship. So anyway,

546
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: the compartments are filling up with water, and Lightholler knows

547
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: that this is not good. But at this point he

548
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: didn't think the Titanic was actually sinking. So he knew

549
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: there was a breach. He knew water was coming in,

550
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: but he thought, like it's designed this specific way, it's

551
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: gonna be fine, you know. But a good captain knows

552
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: his ship. And captain entered Jasmith. He checked his enklinometer

553
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: and saw that the Titanic had already tilted five degrees starboard.

554
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: So it was already tilting because of the water that

555
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: was filling up. The captain's old chief officer wild to

556
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: start uncovering lifeboats. And steam is bellowing from the funnels.

557
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: It's going through the engines, and it is loud. So

558
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: when light Taller is told to enact the buckanhead drill,

559
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: he thinks it means women and children only. Now for context,

560
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: Lighthaller does not think the ship is going to sink.

561
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: And in fairness, chips usually sank very quickly. Right, you're

562
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: talking minutes, I mean sometimes it's an hour. Sometimes it's

563
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: like much quicker. But like he's been on chipwricks, he

564
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: knows how they go down, and they go down, and

565
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: this is slow and the Titanic it was supposed to

566
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: stay afloat the lifeboats were supposed to ferry passengers to

567
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: the rescue ship, and so lighttoler he is severely underloading

568
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 1: the lifeboats on his side. Like they also didn't want

569
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: to panic the passengers. It's just a lot going on

570
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: because they don't want if there's a panic, there's a stampede,

571
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: which then leads to like more loss of life, and

572
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to be in control when there's a lot

573
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 1: of panic happening. Meanwhile, the Marconi operators are pounding out

574
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: c QD, so like SQD is was just like a

575
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: warning sign, like help Maddy. And at this point, because

576
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, they haven't they haven't really got an official system,

577
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: so like people would use different codes, and they just

578
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: chose these three letters, the CQD and Morse code because

579
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: they're like that'll be fine, right, that'll be it'll be

580
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: a thing that it doesn't mean anything, so people know

581
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: will know it means this thing. And then they decide

582
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: to even start using so OS, which was not like

583
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: what we know it today and so OS does not

584
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: mean save our souls. Okay. It's one of those weird

585
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: things that happens when say, for example, you take a

586
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: bunch of letters together like sos, and then suddenly over

587
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: time people will think it means something, they'll apply something

588
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: else to it, when really it's literally just dida do

589
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: do do, just because it's three dots, three dashes, three dots. Right.

590
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: That's why old sms, the old SMS used to be

591
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: because it was the Morse code for sms, because those

592
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: were very easily recognizable sounds, especially when you know you're

593
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: looking for a very specific combination of letters and there's

594
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: other noises happening. Now. Each sort of Marconi machine, each

595
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: radio wireless system, they had their own specific sound. In

596
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: the Titanics was like high pitched. It was very very clear,

597
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: very different. But yeah, they are doing their best, so

598
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: try and get the attention. They're sending like warnings to

599
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: the California, they're sending it out to everyone, like the

600
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: Carpathia is hearing it, and so as like the Olympic,

601
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: and the Olympic is like like eight hundred miles away,

602
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: like it's so far, but there's just a lot happening,

603
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 1: and a lot of these crews, especially those who were

604
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: in these areas, they knew each other like it was

605
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: you know, the White Starlin crew all knew each other,

606
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: and you know, these were friends, these were colleagues, and

607
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: something bad was happening, and the crew on board they're

608
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: setting off flares, so the California thinks they're fireworks and

609
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: it's receiving messages. But their Marconi operator had gone to

610
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: the bed right, and well here here's the thing. Now,

611
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: people didn't think this was going to be sort of

612
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: a system like that. They assumed that things like the

613
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: Marconi machine would just be to send messages, you know,

614
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: oh to one another. Like it wasn't meant to be

615
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: this big, you know, reasonable logical idea. So as the

616
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: ship continued to sink, light Dollar is just like walking

617
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: around at one point picking up women and putting them

618
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: into lifeboats. So basically there are women and children in

619
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: these lifeboats and he's not letting in any men. And

620
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: like it even gets to the point where it's like no,

621
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: like boy over twelve or over fourteen, Like there's a

622
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: very specific cutoff. Now on the other side of the ship.

623
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: Murdoc is putting women and children first, and then if

624
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: there's any space, any man who happens to be around

625
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: gets in the damn boat. So as the reality of

626
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: the situation sets in, the crew tried to call back

627
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: Lifeboat six, but it doesn't return. Now, lifeboats Sex lest

628
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: we forget doesn't have a lot of crew. It's got

629
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: one crew member on it, right, It's got one a

630
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: yachtman with a broken arm, and a bunch of women.

631
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: So they're just rowing, right, They don't know what they're doing.

632
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: They're just continuing to row. So even if they're called back,

633
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee they would have heard them. And panic

634
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: it is setting in and he has his room, no men,

635
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: women and children only. He's in this situation where this

636
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: is the only control he has. And so I think

637
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: it's too easy to judge him in this very particular scenario.

638
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 1: I think it's very easy to say, well, why didn't

639
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: he do aw, why did he do b? Like because

640
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: this was an unprecedented, you know, disaster. Like if he's

641
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: on a ship with his crewmates and it goes down,

642
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: he knows how to deal with that. These are people

643
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: who are trained to survive at sea. This is a

644
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: bunch of passengers. These are wives, children, you know, men

645
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: who haven't lived his reality. And he's trying to keep

646
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: everyone calm, and he makes mistakes. He definitely should have

647
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: had those lifeboats filled, like we can argue to the

648
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: cows come home, But it happened, and he did what

649
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: he thought was best at the time given the inflammation

650
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: he had, it wasn't enough. And sometimes we forget that

651
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: no matter how hard we try, no matter how well

652
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: we think we're doing, because no one likes to believe

653
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: that they are the villain. They always like to think

654
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: they are doing the right thing, and sometimes we're not,

655
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: like honey, we're all the villain and someone else's story.

656
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: So he has this one sliver of control in the chaos,

657
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: and he starts getting the collapsible lifeboats ready because it's

658
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: like they're not meant to be used unlessen necessary, like emerging.

659
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: He's like, it's a fucking emergency, lads, and so yeah,

660
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: he pulls a yachtsman onto the collapsible because he doesn't

661
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: have enough crew. That's another one. He's like, you do

662
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: this fucking fantastic, You're coming with me. He hears the

663
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: band playing and he appreciates the morale boost, but he's

664
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: not fond of the actual music because he doesn't like

665
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: jazz of course he doesn't. Like he was born in

666
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: the Victorian era. I don't expect this man who loved

667
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: a laugh at sea to like jazz. Whereas I got

668
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: very excited when I heard like a version of many

669
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: the muture that I hadn't heard before, and I was like, Oh,

670
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: what's this anyway? Where's that the blues anyway? So he's

671
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: trying to fill this collapsible lifeboat and he sees Isidora.

672
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: That's Isadora Strauss. He tries to get her own boat,

673
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: and she refused, saying that she and her husband started

674
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: together and they would finish together. Oh this one always

675
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: gets me. Instead, she makes sure her maid gets in

676
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: the boat and gives her her fur coat, saying that

677
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: she isn't going to be needing it anymore. So like

678
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: after the sinking, the maid tries to give the coat

679
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: back to the strouser's daughters, and because she's trying to like,

680
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: this is her coat, you have it, and her daughters

681
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: tell her to keep it because her mum wanted her

682
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: to have it. It's always the individual moments that get me,

683
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: because whenever we look at something, we look at this

684
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: big picture, and because it's so large, we don't really

685
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: compute the human impact of it because it's so big.

686
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's numbers. It's only when you break it

687
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: down to each individual, to each person, that you really

688
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: see the true cost of what happened. And it's far

689
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: too easy to become numb to the pain of the world.

690
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: And I think we have to be able to feel it,

691
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: because we have to be able to try and make

692
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: it better for us and everyone else. And even though

693
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: like social class was still a massive thing, this woman

694
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: made sure her maid was safe. She made sure that

695
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: she lived, and that is bravery beyond compare, because she

696
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: knew she was going to die and she decided to

697
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: use that moment to help someone else out. So at

698
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: this point, men are panicking and they're pushing and shoving

699
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: and jostling, and so light Older pulls out his pistol.

700
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: Right Luckily, the side of the gun is enough to

701
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: calm the riot. He's trying to get the final lifeboats off,

702
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: but the collapsible flips like he's gotten a few off

703
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: at this point, and this is the very last chance

704
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: he's gotten. It goes and then the bulkhead gives way.

705
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: The ship is at an angle. People are falling onto

706
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: the ocean, like people are falling, people are pinned like

707
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: he gets pinned at one point, like on the railing,

708
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: like bodies one after another are crashing into the water.

709
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: And so the ship is definitely coming down, and so

710
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: with no other choice, he he leaps into the water.

711
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: He sinks beneath the cold, icy waves, and he is

712
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: going down, and he is sinking deeper and deeper. He

713
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: hears a crack and then a massive blast of hot

714
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 1: and water from the boiler exploding. So basic science, when

715
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: very hot meets very cold reaction so effectively this boiler,

716
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: when it meets the icy water of the North Atlantic,

717
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: this gush just thrusts him to the surface, to the

718
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: sounds of screams. He's face to face now with collapsible

719
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: b the lifeboat he failed to launch. He grabs onto

720
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: a rope attached to the overturned lifeboat and then climbs

721
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: on top. He founds the Marconi operators, Jack Phillips and

722
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: Harold McBride. He gets them onto the boat now that's overturned,

723
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: and there's a few of them on it. And this

724
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: is where there's a discrepancy caause he says that Phillips

725
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: like he was alive for a good while, whereas McBride

726
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: thinks that he's dead for or at least unconscious and

727
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: isn't able to talk. But Leitoler says that he spoke

728
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: to him and he apologized for not passing on the message. Now,

729
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: according to Charles Lightholler, he holds on to Phillips, but

730
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't make it and he has to let him

731
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: go into the water. And at this point, collapsible B

732
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: was starting to sink. It's almost daybreak. But at this

733
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: point lifeboats are coming around searching for survivors, and he

734
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: blows on his officer's whistle. Now it's a different pitch

735
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: to other whistles, and it's very recognizable to these crew,

736
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: and so they know it's his. And so the thirty

737
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,479
Speaker 1: men atop the overturned lifeboat survived and made it onto

738
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: the Carpathia, with Charles Lightoller being the very last person

739
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: from the sinking of the RMS Titanic to be saved.

740
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: The Carpathia made its way to New York, and not

741
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: long after arriving, all crew were served with warrants to

742
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: testify at an inquiry. Now, Lightoler was mad at this

743
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: because to him, what right did the US government have

744
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: to investigate a British ship on international waters? And he's angry,

745
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: he's traumatized and he just wants to go home to

746
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: his family. Now him be in Asaki, so and so

747
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: led to and I'm gonna say it interesting inquiry. The

748
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: US inquiry was led by Senator William Smith, who weirdly

749
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: didn't know much about ocean Linuls. Lightholler is the highest

750
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: ranking surviving officer and he is drilled, like they try

751
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: and wreck him over the calls, but I don't think

752
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: they quite manage that. So they questioned this man about

753
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: the many, many ways which people could have died on

754
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: the sinking ship, which just feels weird and a bit harsh.

755
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: And also he wouldn't know that information because I mean,

756
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: he would have to spend a lot of time considering

757
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: all the ways that people would have died. And he's

758
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: just back like that's that's a law to consider. And

759
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: so light Taller is being the company man while being

760
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: thrown under the company bus, and he's exhausted, and he's

761
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: questioned about why the Carpathia was to return to England,

762
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: like why Esmy had given orders to send them back,

763
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: and he's just like yeah. For the British inquiry, probably

764
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: like this, man Smith like asks light Taller.

765
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 5: What the result was on the ship from the collision

766
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 5: with the iceberg, and light Taller said, with a smirk.

767
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: On his damn face, it sank. He's not wrong, Okay,

768
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: I want to clarify, he's not wrong like that. It

769
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: sank like that. That was the result of the collision.

770
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: The ship sank. Oh my god. Right after this terrible

771
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: American inquiry, right, Lightholer was brought before the British inquiry

772
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: led by Lord Mercy. Now this inquiry resulted in answers,

773
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: and he was able to explain, you know, the Domino's

774
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: falling that led to the tragedy. Now, this inquiry deadly

775
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: to stricter maritime laws and safety regulations. But Lightholer, he

776
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: didn't want to be like the face of this, of

777
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: the survivor. He didn't want to be the face of

778
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: the company. He didn't want to be all the stuff.

779
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: He just wanted to be back at sea. But again

780
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: he's dealing with the inquiries, lawsuits and being the poster

781
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: buy of the Titanic disaster. Then two years later, in

782
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen war broke out, the Great War or World

783
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: War One to you and I, Many ships were requisitioned

784
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: by the Navy, and so the Oceanic, which had been

785
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: his favorite ship, had actually been built under a deal

786
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: with the Admiralty, so it had very specific naval specifications.

787
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: In the case of the Oceanic, guns mounted guns were

788
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: able to be added to it to make it an

789
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: armed merchant cruiser. Leed Taller was given the rank of

790
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: lieutenant and the Royal Navy Reserve aboard of the Oceanic.

791
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: Also on board was David Blair serving as navigator. David

792
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: Blair who had left with the keys to the binoculars

793
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: in his pockets. On the seventh of September, the Oceanic

794
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: hit a reef. The ship was aiming for an island

795
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: in the Shetlands, but David Blair had directed them or

796
01:01:54,720 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: navigated them directly hinto a reef yet again. Light Taller

797
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: leapt out of bed in his pajamas and ran to

798
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: the bridge. He made chill everyone was off the ship. Then,

799
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: with a clock that he ripped from the wall of

800
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: his favorite ship, he dove into the water of the

801
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: North Sea. After sinking, he was sent to naval barracks

802
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: in Davenport, and he was bored as hell. That was

803
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: an opening, and he was told it would be dangerous,

804
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: like super dangerous. It would be like super dodgy, and

805
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: he's like, fuck this for a game of soldiers. I'm there, okay.

806
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: He just he can't sit in this space anymore. He's

807
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: bored to tails. And so he goes in a few missions,

808
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: catches the measles and then he has to deal with

809
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: the newest tech in water, this seaplane. If you want

810
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: to know more about the seaplane, I do talk about

811
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: that in detail in the episode on Frederick Rutland Rutland

812
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: from Jutland and Beverly Hill spy so let Taller. He

813
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: is on a seaplane sending coded messages on enemy positions

814
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: on what I'm gonna call a tempestuous system. So he's

815
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: up in the air like he is also shit scared.

816
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't like flying. He prefers being on the sea

817
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: like water to air. Not big fan, but yeah, he's

818
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: he's doing this and he becomes a lieutenant and is

819
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: given command of His Majesty's torpedo boat one one seven

820
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: and it's part of the newer defense flotilla. So basically

821
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: it's on the Thames in London. It's basically trying to

822
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: like protect London from attack. So on the thirty first

823
01:03:53,640 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: of July nineteen sixteen, Zeppelins headed towards London. Gunners on

824
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: the boat did get some licks in, but bombs did

825
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: run down. The zeppelin did turn and retreat. And after

826
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: that Lettoler joined the Dover Patrol, an elite and the

827
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: discreet unit of the Royal Navy based surprisingly out of Dover.

828
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: They helped patrols between Dover and Dunkirk in France. And

829
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: you're thinking Dunkirk, that sounds very French. It does, it does?

830
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: It does. Indeed patrol served as lookouts typically and Leaterler

831
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: was given command of the h MS Falcon. The Falcon

832
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: was struck by the John Fitzgerald, a Royal Navy troller

833
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: on the April Fills Day nineteen eighteen. There was a

834
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: court martial and he was basically yeah. They were like,

835
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: it's fine, you didn't do shit, It's okay. So he's

836
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: then given command of the HMS Gary. What a name

837
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: for a ship us this one, It's Gary. It's a

838
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: shipping convoys and so the Gary came upon a German

839
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: U boat, the UB one one zero. They shot the

840
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: boat like it took like a minute for it to think.

841
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: It like really went down and the survivors were taken

842
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: as prisoner and Lighthaller is promoted to a lieutenant commander.

843
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: After the war, Lighthaller returned to the White Star Line,

844
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: where he was appointed Chief Officer of the Celtic. At

845
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: this point, his family had grown. He had five kids,

846
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: two boys. Nope, that's wrong, three boys and two girls.

847
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: Life was getting back to normal, and with his record,

848
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: he kept waiting for his next step up. He kept

849
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: waiting for his appointment on the Olympic was his big goal.

850
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: Now as years passed, the promotion was kept just out

851
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: of reach. The new owners of the White Star Line

852
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: would well, they would try and distance themselves from the

853
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: Titanic disaster and let all her well, he was the

854
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: face of it. And so this is like really bothering

855
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: him and stressing him out. And so he goes to

856
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: Sylvia for advice, like he was stuck in limbo with

857
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: his career. So she told him to come home, and

858
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: so he resigned, Like he reads this beautiful long heartfelt

859
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: like resignation letter about you know, how the time he'd

860
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: spent there and everything he loved and how he was

861
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: so sad to go but he just had to. And

862
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: so he gives it in and they're like, okay, bye,

863
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: and it just knocks him for six, you know, And

864
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: this is where he starts to struggle. He was unqualified

865
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: for one job and too old for the next, and

866
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: they end up like just because out of necessity, the

867
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: family end up running a boarding house. And so he

868
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: does manage to get a small boat called the Mutt,

869
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: and so he would go sailing casually. Oh okay, it's

870
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: actually really fun. So he does this one race, right,

871
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,919
Speaker 1: and it's from Dover to Cali. It's in eighteen twenty nine,

872
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: and the weather was not great, Like you know, some

873
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: people do try and get it canceled because the weather's

874
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: so shit, but he ends up being the only boat

875
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: to reach the finish line with absolutely no trouble. And

876
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,439
Speaker 1: he's so fucking smug about this, he's like a still

877
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: govern it. By nineteen twenty nine, the Lighthallers had an inn,

878
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: a chicken coop, and enough money to treat Charles to

879
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: an actual boat. This Sundowner He was planning to go

880
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: on a trip with David Blair to the island that

881
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: he had been shipwrecked on as a teenager, but his

882
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: wife Sylvia finally told him no, Like she was like,

883
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: you're not doing that with him. The guy who you

884
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: know kept the keys to the binoculars and then ran

885
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: the last ship aground that you were upon him, and

886
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: you want to take him over there? No trials, No, no, no, no,

887
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: that's not happening. So he was retired now and she

888
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 1: felt that they should enjoy their years together without her

889
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: worrying about him being maround on an island on the

890
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: other side of the world. So he's retired and he's

891
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: just you know, living his life. And in nineteen thirty nine,

892
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: naval intelligence reached out to him and asked if he

893
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: would like to go on a fishing trip. He convinces

894
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: the secret naval intelligence while the country's on the brink

895
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: of war, for him to be able to bring Sylvia

896
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: along on the boat, because an elderly couple fishing wouldn't

897
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: be suspicious. So they'll sell out there with like maps

898
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: and camera equipment to go and just like espionage the

899
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 1: coast right, so she'd be up on deck like chopping

900
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: vegetables or fishing, and he'd be below deck like making

901
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: maps and you know, taking pictures and doing all this

902
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: stuff together. Now, they were generally unniced most of the time.

903
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: Most see one time a German coastguard boarded the boat

904
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: and asked Sylvia where the captain was, and without missing

905
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: of the outsteps, li taller, like he's up on deck

906
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: with an open bottle of gin smoking a pipe. And

907
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: they were laughed at and like told to get on

908
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: their way because they're just like, look at you with

909
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 1: your drunk husband. Ha of thena that's as good, got

910
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: on into your selling and I hope you don't drink

911
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: your gin too bad and clash your bought into a reef.

912
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: Oh no, so yeah, yeah. I love the fact that

913
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: Sylvia was involved because it means that every member of

914
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: the Lightholder family was involved in the war effort because

915
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: she helped with this and like everyone else was involved

916
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: to including their children. Frederick Roger served in the Royal

917
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: Naval Volunteer Reserve, Richard Trevor joined the Navy. Sylvia Mavis

918
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 1: was with the First Aid Nursing Human Try and Claire

919
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:53,799
Speaker 1: Dorene served in the political intelligence departed and finally their youngest,

920
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: Herbert Bryan, served in the RAF. Brian was the baby

921
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: of the family and after the very first night of fighting,

922
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: his plane collided with a barriage balloon and when they

923
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: returned they were informed that their youngest child was dead.

924
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: In May nineteen forty, Lee Taller was again on the

925
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: sea you see in Dunkirk. It was clear that more

926
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: boats were needed to remove soldiers from the beach. The

927
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: Germans were picking them off, so the Navy asked for help.

928
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: The destroyers were too big to get in and so

929
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: smaller boats were needed to ferry passengers in and out,

930
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: and so Lee Taller, when he was asked for help,

931
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: he gave it and he headed for Dunkirk aboard the

932
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 1: Sundowner with his son Roger and Gerald Ashford, who was

933
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 1: an eighteen year old sea scout. They made their way

934
01:11:55,680 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: across the channel and got to the harbors. When he

935
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: was asked how many men he could take, he lied

936
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: so the sun Dinner could comfortably carry twenty one people,

937
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: and he was like, I can take about one hundred

938
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: ish basically, so he could try and save as many

939
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: men as he could. He packs one hundred and thirty

940
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: men onto the boat, evades a bomber twice, and he

941
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:29,520
Speaker 1: gets those boys home like clowns in a car. Everyone

942
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: was shocked at just how he fit them in Like

943
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: the answer to that question is determination. Trevor, who had

944
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: been on the beaches, had been evacuated forty eight hours

945
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: before his father had reached Dunkirk, and he was safe.

946
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: Near the end of the war, the light Taller's Losey's

947
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: second son, Roger, and this is during a raid in France.

948
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: So basically Lighthaller loses his son the start of the

949
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: war and near the end. After the Second World War,

950
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: Lightoler sets up a boat shop with his remaining son,

951
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: Trevor Richmond Slipways in West London. Seven years after the

952
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: end of the war, time caught up with Lighthaller and

953
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: on the eighth of December nineteen fifty two, Charles Herbert

954
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: Lighthaller passed away in his sleep at the age of

955
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: seventy eight. He had a small family funeral and was cremated.

956
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: And so ends the story of Charles Lighthaller in like

957
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: everyone thinks about him on the Titanic and how this

958
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: is what he did and everything he did wrong, and

959
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: he kept trying to do the right thing. He tried

960
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: to serve his country, he tried to put people, he

961
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:05,839
Speaker 1: tried to get boys home, he tried to save lives

962
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: for those he had lost. And I think, again, we're

963
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: never always going to do the right thing. And I

964
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 1: think he made a silly decision, a silly decision, a

965
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: silly mistake, a silly decision. I think he made it

966
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: and he had to deal with the consequences of that,

967
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: and I think he tried to do better over the years.

968
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,719
Speaker 1: And I think the guilt that was laid upon that man,

969
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: I think was too severe because he couldn't have known

970
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: what was going to happen, and everything that led to

971
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: that situation, the majority of it was out with his control.

972
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just think he did his best.

973
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: He helped in two world wars. He tried, and he

974
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 1: made more of an effort than half people grumbling in

975
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: their anoraks. But that is That's the story of Lighthllar,

976
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: and that is our final story on Titanic. Months now,

977
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about crew, and I don't talk

978
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: about men very often, and I'm usually the first person

979
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: to talk shit about men. From history because usually they

980
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: deserve it. But I think we judge too harshly sometimes,

981
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: and I think I think probably just because I'm so

982
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: used to the propaganda that I don't appreciate hanging this

983
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: man out to dry for something that was out with

984
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: his control. And you know, memory is memory is a

985
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: funny thing and it's unreliable at best. Now, before I

986
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: go on a big massive rant, I think that I

987
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: think I should stop, And with that, I shall bid

988
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: you good evening. So you can follow me on socials.

989
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: You can see what I'm to You can even hear

990
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: about the secret plans that are coming about for next month.

991
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: But I we are going to talk about something I'm

992
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: gonna hope it's a little bit cheerier. Is it cheerier?

993
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of squeezy, But yes, we're

994
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about something else in May. And so

995
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 1: it's recommendation times. So for watching Marco's Got Money Troubles.

996
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: It's so good. It's so good. Michelle Viepper is amazing,

997
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 1: just every every member of that cast is so good.

998
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: Like I'm really enjoying it, like I'm excited for the

999
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: next episode, Like I'm really excited for the next thing.

1000
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: But I'm very excited for the next episode. For reading

1001
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: Murder on the Lisitania, It's a modern mystery, it's got boats.

1002
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: What more do you want? Guys? Okay? And for listening, Okay,

1003
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: you can laugh all you want, but I've I've been

1004
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: listening to on my morning walk to work. Is the

1005
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: Matilda musical soundtrack, like the original stage show, Like that

1006
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: is so good. Just revolting children just fills me with

1007
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: such joy. And Naughty is also very good. But yeah,

1008
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: that is that, And with that, I am going to

1009
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:28,839
Speaker 1: bed you and you adios au revoir? Is there, my friends,