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Speaker 1: Hell, hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is the show where we step into the past

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Speaker 2: through our old episodes and we emerge from the other

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Speaker 2: side with brand new feelings, case updates, and more.

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Speaker 1: Today we're rewinding the episode one oh three, which we

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Speaker 1: named live at the Balboa Theater in San Diego.

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Speaker 3: God, this was a good show. It was so good.

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Speaker 2: This episode originally came out January eleventh, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's listen to the intro of episode one

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Speaker 1: oh three.

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Speaker 4: Woh yes, what's up sand Diega?

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Speaker 2: Well good, there's an exit there, there's two backs there,

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Speaker 2: and of course there's one right over there.

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Speaker 3: There you go house right stage left, there you go.

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Speaker 3: And of course we brought the rug that my great

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Speaker 3: grandmother wove on a loom.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is uh yeah, the Kilgariff family rug was

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Speaker 2: handed down from Galway, Ireland, all the way down to uh.

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful, beautiful, God bless, it's just gorgeous and it's

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Speaker 3: and then.

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Speaker 1: I just spilled my nail polished that I just pain

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Speaker 1: literally just painted my nails with backstage.

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Speaker 2: George and I say a pre show prayer. This is

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Speaker 2: the insider information for locals only.

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Speaker 1: And this is not a joke because you are like

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Speaker 1: you guys are atheists.

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Speaker 3: No, we really say a prayer. We really say a prayer. Tonight.

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Speaker 2: We said a prayer to the oceans and the local manicurists.

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Speaker 1: Yep. We just kind of start talking and then at

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Speaker 1: some point someone goes, amen, yeah, and so I just

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Speaker 1: painted my nails and she went to grab my hands.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know, we actually started the prayer.

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Speaker 2: And then I went to say something like we were

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Speaker 2: like trying to be fake spiritual.

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Speaker 3: It's what we do. And at one point I went

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Speaker 3: to say something, you just goes watch the fingers as

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Speaker 3: much for me, because I don't give a shit now

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Speaker 3: for the show. You're right, it's for the pill. I

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Speaker 3: don't want it to get all over your hands.

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Speaker 2: Oh these old things.

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Speaker 3: My hands are covered in pen and worry it's sun damage.

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Speaker 2: Some gap jeans die because I'm not never not going

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Speaker 2: like this.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, murder.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's great to be here in San Diego.

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Speaker 3: That's my segue.

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Speaker 1: That's my segue.

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Speaker 2: Is this new did you just ride? Is this going

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Speaker 2: to be your new thing? This is my new thing?

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Speaker 2: I lean, Oh my god, this is local Georgia. No,

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Speaker 2: you're from nearby.

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Speaker 1: I'm from nearby. I like you guys better than my hometown.

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Speaker 3: Hotel, not me, nor Cal all the way, Oh thank you.

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Speaker 1: I like nor call better than my hometown too. Ohoa,

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Speaker 1: where everyone's happy.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's rate the entire United States right now.

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Speaker 1: The last time I was in San Diego actually was

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Speaker 1: for Comic Con. You've been, and I got in a

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Speaker 1: huge screaming fight with my friend in either the gaslight

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Speaker 1: or the gas lamp district. And I either the gaslight

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Speaker 1: or that I can't hear anything.

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Speaker 2: I bet you it's it's the gas lamp district, because

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Speaker 2: the gas like district is where people take you to

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Speaker 2: convince you that your thoughts are wrong, right.

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Speaker 3: Which just want to go there? In a fight about

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Speaker 3: don't go there? That's she was doing that. She was

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Speaker 3: gas lamping me in the light. She gas lamped the

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Speaker 3: ship out of you. We're friends now, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: But if anyone witnessed it, congratulations.

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Speaker 2: Remember that private memory of Georgia's that none of us

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Speaker 2: were Therefore, well.

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Speaker 1: That's just the last memory I have a San Diego,

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Speaker 1: So I'm really happy that this is the last one.

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Speaker 3: Now you're making new memories all the time. By San Diego,

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Speaker 3: I went.

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Speaker 1: To bubble with theater instead of I got in a

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Speaker 1: screaming fight, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the last time I was here, I just had

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Speaker 2: a really mediocre set of comedy. So I also apologized

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Speaker 2: for my last my last experience here in San Diego.

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Speaker 3: I didn't deliver any of the goods. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: I feel the same because I probably brought it am

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Speaker 1: I wrong?

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Speaker 2: I brought it in my special way that only certain

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Speaker 2: people would care about. Luckily I've accessed that audience now

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Speaker 2: we found them. Back in twenty two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 2: nobody was having it.

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Speaker 3: It was a different time. It was a different time material.

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Speaker 3: That's right, all this, you know.

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to look. But are my spanks

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Speaker 2: past my knees right now?

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Speaker 3: That's what it feels like. Let's all be friends and

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Speaker 3: tell her, Oh no, they're right there. Okay. I gave

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Speaker 3: off on those motherfuckers A long time ago. I thought

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Speaker 3: I had Caprice Banks on for a second. Me highs.

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Speaker 3: It scared me, me high me high. Spink is not

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Speaker 3: a thing. Some girls and guys hate their calves.

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Speaker 2: That's true me spink, Oh my god, calf only spanks

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Speaker 2: might be a niche that.

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Speaker 1: We get rich on, Steven, cut that outten, that's ours,

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Speaker 1: that's worse.

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Speaker 3: Send it in the mail. Oh, usc Stemen, come on,

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Speaker 3: I don't know where.

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Speaker 2: Are you seriously missing your cue?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 3: What what happened?

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Speaker 1: What if he were wearing the knee high spakes?

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Speaker 3: Look at him, he's he's panning. He's panning to the audience.

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Speaker 2: Stephen graduated from the zoo in nineteen sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Just this old giraffe. It's true. I went back to

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Speaker 3: my old cage. It was great. I'm so glad you're

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Speaker 3: free now. No, he's not with you. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: We keep the cage in the bat That's why it

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Speaker 3: So he took him out to get out here.

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Speaker 2: They had to show him out. He was way in

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Speaker 2: the corner, all like him. Thanks now, Stephen, you're a local.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm from southern California and I love San Diego.

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Speaker 3: That seems sarcastic, sweater, it's real. Yeah, we believe you.

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Speaker 3: Any last message for San Diego stay stay sexy. Oh you.

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Speaker 2: Bye, get your own fucking saying he steals our motto

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Speaker 2: right in front of us, and then and then.

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Speaker 3: We walk off. That's it. Well he just ended the show.

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Speaker 3: What if we were like that, I mean, we're going

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Speaker 3: to be very soon.

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Speaker 2: Look at this huge shows of people come to see

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Speaker 2: a podcast.

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Speaker 3: This is nuts. It's nuts. It's so fucking crazy. You guys,

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Speaker 3: what are you doing? You guys? Thank you for making

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Speaker 3: this our job. We love it. I'm so stupid.

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Speaker 1: I used to do like work with food stuff, and

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Speaker 1: that's really cool because I love food. But then you

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Speaker 1: have to write like a new recipe for fucking Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl every year. It was like, what are you supposed

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Speaker 1: to do with fucking buffalo chicken?

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Speaker 3: Which there's no other way to make it a thing.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear some options right now. What would you do

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Speaker 3: Buffalo chicken dip.

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Speaker 1: Buffalo chickens liners, bumble and chicken fucking No, let's change.

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Speaker 3: It up a little bit. It's impossible. Buffalo chicken pudding cake.

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Speaker 1: Karen, you should be at buffalo putting jello. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what a buffalo.

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Speaker 2: Put into a jello mold and then hide it in

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Speaker 2: someone's mailbox.

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Speaker 3: It's a different. My thing is a different thing.

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Speaker 1: My boy, it wasn't yesterday. I was like, murder, I

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Speaker 1: can't find the murder.

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Speaker 3: Where's the murdering? Like, oh my god, my life is

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Speaker 3: so much cooler now.

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Speaker 1: I was so happy that it was like I love food,

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Speaker 1: but I've loved true crime and I didn't realize it

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Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, because then you see all the

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Speaker 1: food bloggers who were like, there's a new recipe for

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving thing, a new thing to put stuffing in.

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Speaker 3: Good luck? Stop it. Oh hazel nuts.

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Speaker 2: You blew my mind when you really went off. I mean,

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Speaker 2: here's the problem. We drove down from LA today. Normally

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Speaker 2: we have all kinds of travel anecdotes and funny, hilarious

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Speaker 2: things of how this city is different than our city,

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Speaker 2: and they're just like, should we go back tonight or

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Speaker 2: like you know what we're saying, it's like La.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. People here don't give a shit,

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Speaker 3: and that rules. It rules. If you're in the industry.

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Speaker 1: It's like, in the chillest way possible, you're not like

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Speaker 3: You make movies about pot or whatever, like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not a guy that when we were

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Speaker 2: But then from the neck down he was dressed like

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Speaker 1: Maybe he went into the what's it called when they

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Speaker 1: hide you? We are in the cops protection.

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Speaker 3: We go what do you call it? When they hide you? Oh?

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Speaker 3: This is my favorite murder? By the way, I good one,

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Speaker 3: Thank you, good point. It's a really good point. This

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Speaker 3: is my favorite murder.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to say so after I tripped over the

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Speaker 1: words witness protection program.

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Speaker 2: So we are highly qualified true crime podcasters. That's Georgia Hartstark,

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Speaker 2: that's Karen Kilka, thank you, thank you. We actually now

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Speaker 2: like to say that to our audiences before we start,

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Speaker 2: because we know that sometimes people bring outsider We'll call

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Speaker 2: them outsiders to the show, pony boys and soda pops

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Speaker 2: sit here and they listen to us blather about fucking

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Speaker 2: nothing and then like all say pockets and everyone starts

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Speaker 2: screaming and they're like, what the fuck is going on?

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Speaker 2: And we feel bad for you and we're sorry, and

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Speaker 2: we know the majority of your men, and you're like,

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Speaker 2: what is happening to my spouse?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: This goes out to the ashers too, right, yeah dudes, yeah, dudes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So yeah, we just just so you know, like, uh,

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Speaker 6: we talk about true crime, which is very dark and horrifying,

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Speaker 6: but then we also make jokes, which is highly inappropriate.

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Speaker 3: So and we know you don't need to let us know.

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Speaker 3: We know, yeah, we know.

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Speaker 1: If my mom's told me then it then I know

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Speaker 1: it's in there and I'm purposely.

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Speaker 3: Doing otherwise just to piss her off, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So because we're always fourteen, that's true.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, come up, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Uh anything to wrap up any other question?

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Speaker 1: No, No, I guess that that's all I got.

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Speaker 3: You got those allergies going again.

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Speaker 1: Fucking At least this time I brought a tissue and

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Speaker 1: didn't have to blow my nose on my skirt or

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Speaker 1: the tablecloth.

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Speaker 3: Which I've done before.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you have blown your nose on every

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Speaker 2: surface of anything in this country.

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Speaker 3: It's some of the major theaters in this country just

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Speaker 3: Do you want allergist? Just yeah, that's right. I love

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Speaker 3: They're only mildly painful. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's why they're more comfortable because someone wore them for

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, consummate professional dispensional.

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Speaker 2: It's time to talk about all the things you're not

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Speaker 1: Gas lamp quarter. There we go. That's the one.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're over therapized, so we're in the gas light

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Speaker 3: The gas light quarter?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's intense, but it's really fun. It is now

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Speaker 1: We didn't go home that night. That would have been dangerous.

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Speaker 2: In my room felt very like an eighties psychological thriller.

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Speaker 1: I think we've only done really rad stories in San

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Speaker 2: I remember when that happened, but I mean not the

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the one I do this time around,

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Speaker 2: Yep, I know we have to get real strategic. We've

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Speaker 1: At what point did podcasting start feeling like a real

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and traveling, especially because I had left my old

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Speaker 2: It was just hard, you know, it was just like

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Speaker 1: I got to spend Elvis's last year and a half

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Speaker 2: The whole experience was just so so absolutely surreal. It

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Speaker 1: More years, right, and I'm atropheed my butt. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: your story is a fucking classic and it's so good.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into.

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Speaker 3: It, shall we?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 1: Okay, here is Karen's story about Betty Broderick.

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Speaker 3: And guess who I'm going to talk about? Betty Broderick. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was so excited when I put together, well, really,

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Speaker 3: Every single I've seen this woman all.

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Speaker 1: My life, the Full House episode she was, She's seen

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Speaker 2: I made that job Hope Young Comedians special where she

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Speaker 3: No, you do know her? I bet I'm sure, but

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Speaker 3: I don't know names. Well I'll just tell you about it.

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Speaker 2: Won't give him a dime, Just kidding, donate.

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Speaker 3: That's what my father used to say.

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Speaker 2: He'd be like, Nova for free.

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Speaker 3: That was his big brag. I've never given him a dome. Hilarious,

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Speaker 3: we are he's never listening to this episode. He can't.

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Speaker 3: We have to burn this the second that we're done.

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Speaker 2: But I got some really good information from a podcast

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Speaker 2: has hosted by Esther Ludlow. Elizabethan Broderick grew up in

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Speaker 3: That's a bad combination, by the way.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if are there any Irish Italians here,

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Speaker 3: It's not right.

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Speaker 2: You're a lunatic, right, they're screaming, super repressed, but then

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Speaker 3: Go to Catholic schools, Be careful with.

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Speaker 2: Dating until you find a Catholic man, support him while

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Speaker 3: That was pass hard pass now what's my other option?

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Speaker 2: I guess like snort cocaine in a small room until

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Speaker 1: Great, Yes, yes, I pick that one.

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Speaker 2: She graduates from Eastchester High School in nineteen sixty five,

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Speaker 3: Really, we're in San Diego. Pretend you're from San Diego.

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Speaker 2: Play it cool, just kidding, Go go Dame, Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: She goes to see a Notre Dame football game with

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Speaker 3: He was born in Pittsburgh. He was the eldest son

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Speaker 3: You're done for that's what I'm from. Not good, Okay.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't as tall or athletic as the boys that

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Speaker 3: But he lavished her.

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Speaker 2: With attention from the second that they meant he doated

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Speaker 2: you guys, you Italians and you Irish.

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Speaker 3: Just get started right. Oh wait, get those babies. Don't

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00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 3: get to know each other at all. That's exactly it.

444
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 3: She's like, what's your favorite movie? It's amazing.

445
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: So he was finishing up his medical degree at Cornell

446
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: and they're so poor that they have to move into

447
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 2: the dorms together.

448
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: This isn't There's a reenactment.

449
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: That I watched recently and it's two actors playing the

450
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: two of them, and they sure it's great. Walk It's amazing.

451
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: It's such good acting and some really great acting. Also

452
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: because they walk into this dorm room.

453
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: D Is that a thing? It's my thing. I love it.

454
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: There's you can really give a lot with your back.

455
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: If you're a good BacT.

456
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to batching class. You should. You should,

457
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: because that's how you become a great extra. Yeah, I've

458
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 3: done that, right. Is you just you really let people

459
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: know something's going on?

460
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: That way I've definitely there's definitely me walking away in

461
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: the background in a camera in like TV shows and

462
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: shit for real, just walking away, walking past and walking away.

463
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: What do you mean I was an extra?

464
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: Oh oh oh, I thought something happened, like I when

465
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: when did.

466
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 3: You get this part?

467
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: Well?

468
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 3: It was on Full House? Sorry, go on, that was irrelevant.

469
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 2: Wait was that a nineties thing that you did when

470
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 2: you moved to lad into the city Clueless the TV show?

471
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 3: Yes, Dharma and Greg Jarman?

472
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: Greg, Yeah, did you were you one of the people

473
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: in their living room?

474
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Just didn't the corner you know, I had someone

475
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: in the corner hiding every episode you have to know that.

476
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: It's a girl hider in the living room. And then

477
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 3: some stupid shit, other stupid shit. Well, congratulate, thank you.

478
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 3: It was really a highlight of my life. I bet

479
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 3: did you get to did you get to wait for

480
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: like eighteen hours? Eighteen hours? Yeah, eat hard boiled eggs

481
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: and backed it up right? Okay, excuse me, goodbye? Oh

482
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 3: and Joan of Arcadia? Whoa deep cut? Yeah? Who was

483
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: Joan of Arcadia? Oh? You mean the actress? You know

484
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: the storyline? Just tell me the whole series arc really quick,

485
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: I was on it. I didn't watch it. You didn't

486
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: write it. I didn't write it. I don't understand how

487
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: any of it works.

488
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: Okay in this reenactment, Okay, Betty and Dan walk in

489
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: and they have to move into a legit dorm room,

490
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: a married couple, and she's pregnant. It's the saddest thing

491
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: I've ever seen, Like one of those dorm rooms with

492
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 2: this cement blocks as walls where you can't like put

493
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: up your poster unless you get that special gum adhesive.

494
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: Like dark dark times for Dan and Betty. So their

495
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 2: daughter Kim is born in nineteen seventy and a second daughter,

496
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: Lee is born the next year. Guys Irish Twins. Dan

497
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: finishes medical school and then tells Betty he's decided that

498
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: he's what now.

499
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: Sorry, I didn't mean stop. You meant like you don't

500
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: like what's headed.

501
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: Dan's now going to get his law degree because he's

502
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: decided that he's going to be a medical malpractice lawyer.

503
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: But that's where the money's at, which he was all about,

504
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: and so he had to get a student loan. He

505
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: goes to Harvard Law and Betty starts working. She's two

506
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: kids and working so that he can go through law school.

507
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 3: Honey.

508
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: After four years, he graduates and he's hired by a

509
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: very high status law firm here in San Diego.

510
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: So the whole he moves the whole family to coral reef. Nobody, no, nothing.

511
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: Did I cut and paste that wrong?

512
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: Or did he literally moved them onto a coral reef?

513
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: And that's nothing that.

514
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of these the places where

515
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: bad things happen, they change the name of the place

516
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: immediately to just to be like, you can't find it,

517
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: you weirdo tourists.

518
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: Oh, that used to be called knife Town, but we

519
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: had to change the name. Bad things happened, all right,

520
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: But now he's got this high started job, so she

521
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: she doesn't have to work anymore, right, so she gets

522
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: to be the housewife that she's always been told that

523
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 2: she has to be.

524
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: So Dan.

525
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: The more successful he becomes at this law firm, and

526
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: he's very successful, the longer and longer his hours become.

527
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: And because he's you know, he tells Beddy he's out

528
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: whining and dining clients and working really hard. Well, she

529
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: of course is getting pissed, and you know, she makes

530
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: dinners and he misses them, and she kind of starts

531
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: ranting to the kids talking about their father and he's

532
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: not here, and you know, like really she's she always

533
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: had this habit of kind of when she got mad,

534
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: she didn't care what she said in front of the kids.

535
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: That is a ticket to therapy, those kids Romance Town

536
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: one hundred.

537
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 2: But she's feeling intensely unappreciated. She's caring for two small children.

538
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: She's in this house by herself. You know, there's no

539
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: adults around. She doesn't like the family dynamic, essentially, So

540
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: at one point she convinces or they go to I

541
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: shouldn't say she convinced him. They went to marriage Encounter,

542
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: which was this Catholic marriage retreat in the seventies or

543
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: marriage early eighties. Her marriage encounter my parents Not only

544
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: did my parents go, No, my parents went, and they

545
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: had a sticker on the back of my dad's Volkswagen

546
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: Marriage Encounter as if.

547
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: Like we're good, We're doing it with the Lord's help.

548
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, big time.

549
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: It just sounds like a swinger's retreat for people who

550
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: believe in UFOs, doesn't it Marriage Encounter? Like whenever I'm like,

551
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: you want to have an encounter with your fucking partner.

552
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: You don't want to have like a just see something

553
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: like for people who believe in UFOs marriage encounter swinging

554
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: with aliens. That's right, it's marriage encounter.

555
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

556
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: An encounter is just like the least romantic marriage word.

557
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't get it. It's I'm going to change

558
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: that name marriage passing experience.

559
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: What they did at marriage encounter was you'd have to

560
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: write your spouse a long letter talking about how you

561
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: felt about the marriage. And when I was like bar

562
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: when I was like eight, I found my parents' letters.

563
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: No, Karen, I love little Karen. She's such a bad.

564
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: Girl, Little Karen. Little Karen didn't wasn't good with boundaries.

565
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: But little Karen.

566
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: Didn't raise herself someone. No, I actually didn't read.

567
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: I started to read them and it started with my

568
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: mom's and it was like, dear Jim, you're this and

569
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: you're that.

570
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: And then I was like, ew, this is none of

571
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: my business. Good for you. You are get with boundaries.

572
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: You were like here it is. I'm creeped out by

573
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: the love.

574
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: I mean they were married for like forty five years,

575
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: so marriage encounter works silently.

576
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 5: Day.

577
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, my parents didn't go divorced quickly one of them

578
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: fast divorces. Yeah, okay.

579
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: In Dance Leander, he talks about how he knows he's

580
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: a workaholic, and he knows he's not being a good

581
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: husband or good father, but he has these financial goals

582
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: that he really wants to reach. And Betty's letter is

583
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: all about being alone in the marriage.

584
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: It must have been.

585
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: An okay experience for them because after soon after they

586
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: had their third third child, a boy named Dan. So

587
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: at this point Betty has two preschoolers and an infant

588
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: at home, and she started to feel like she's losing

589
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: her identity. Meanwhile, Dan is so successful and doing so well.

590
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: He actually became slightly locally famous because he represented one

591
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: of the families of the victims of Brent Spencer that

592
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: I don't like Monday's school shooter, So he was he.

593
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: Became well, kind of well known. So by the fall

594
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety one, he's doing so well. He leaves his.

595
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: Original law firm and opens his own and he gets

596
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: this big, these big fancy offices in a high rise,

597
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: and he asked Betty to redecorate the offices, and she

598
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: comes in and she kills it. It's gorgeous. Everyone is

599
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: like amazed, and it's all very high status.

600
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: And like seventies I had so seventies.

601
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: I had the brass and the crume, the smoked glass.

602
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: Can you see it? Ferns everywhere, ferns. She's like, love

603
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: a fern garden over here, macrimate everywhere, and.

604
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: Armpit hair over here.

605
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, sorry, this is eighty one rainbows Neon Rainbows

606
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: and then Nagle in the entryway. Okay, So Dan buys

607
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: a two seater Jaguar and Betty loses her fucking shit.

608
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: Hell yeah right, it's his dream car.

609
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: But she's like, you clearly have no interest in being

610
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: part of this family.

611
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: Although, to be fair, back in the eighties they were

612
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: like throw them in the trunk, or like put them

613
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: all on the frenze together.

614
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: It's true, I don't worry about seatbelts. Grab that roof. Ye.

615
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Betty drove a suburban and her personalized license plate

616
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: red Lodo Mom.

617
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: So she was like, yeah, she was doing that mother thing.

618
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

619
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: Sexism exists, I mean you did in the eighties. I

620
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: don't know doesn't anymore.

621
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: But she was like she was playing the part and

622
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: they were super rich, like she bought They bought stuff.

623
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: She had a spending problem, they said, and she bought

624
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: shit all the time. The kids had everything they could

625
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: possibly want. She bought design her clothes. She was like

626
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: super into the way she looked. But she was getting

627
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: really neurotic because she was starting a game weight and

628
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: she was getting older, and she was starting to gain weight,

629
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: and she felt like she was losing her looks and

630
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: so she was starting get like compulsive kind of reaction.

631
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: I'm not analyzing her, I don't I don't know.

632
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: Her, but but she does sound a lot like When

633
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: I read through the story, I was like, did she

634
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 2: take diet pills?

635
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: Because she acts a lot like me when I was

636
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: on diet pills.

637
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 2: It's like when you start yelling at somebody and then

638
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: you just kind of can't stop yelling, or you're in

639
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: your mind You're like, I don't feel this way anymore,

640
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: and yet my mouth is still angry. I don't know

641
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: what to do. It's a theory, it's not a fact.

642
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: So okay, so that the fights are beginning to escalate.

643
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: So when Dan would come home late from work, she'd

644
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: lock him out of the house. He'd have to throw

645
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: rocks at the kid's windows so they could let him in,

646
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: and then if.

647
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: They did that, Betty would yell at the kids. That

648
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: was the worst part.

649
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: These kids were right in the middle of this awful

650
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: marriage and they were they got screamed at constantly by Betty.

651
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: By Betty being angry at Dan. She would scream at

652
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 2: them because they were the only ones there. She would

653
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: scream about how awful he was, and she started cursing

654
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: and like getting really foul mouths, which I don't have

655
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: a problem with, but it's not.

656
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: Cool around five year old. It works for me. Did

657
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: Janet have a mouth on her?

658
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: Oh?

659
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 5: Fuck yeah?

660
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: And then she'd be like, do as I say, not

661
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: as I do. Don't curse, do as I say, not

662
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: as I do. It was her fucking jam for everything,

663
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: saying as she took a big drag of a Jewett.

664
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: So here's this fucked up thing.

665
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: She would when Dan wouldn't come home from work, she

666
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: would sit the kids down and tell them they were

667
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: getting divorced, and then all the kids would get were

668
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: super upset, and then she'd go, now, since we're getting divorced,

669
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: which parents don't want to live with, and they it

670
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: would be super upsetting, and then they it wasn't until

671
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: Dan would come home from work that he would be like, no,

672
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: we're not getting divorced. It'syone, everything's fine. So it was

673
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: that in this story. I always had that thing of like,

674
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: you know, this story has been in kind of like

675
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: in society in our minds, I guess, first since the

676
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: eighties since it happened. Because at first it was like

677
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: the fucking crazy wife. You know, it was crazy, and

678
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: then there was the second wave of or was she

679
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: driven crazy?

680
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: And there's lots of ways to take it.

681
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: But when I hear stories like that, it's just like,

682
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: whatever's happening, that is not fair, and that control yourself,

683
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: figure out a way to control yourself, because you are

684
00:35:59,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: that's abuse.

685
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: You're abusing four children repeatedly.

686
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: So uh. And the other problem was that when they

687
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: would fight, he would just ignore her, which as I

688
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: was typing it, I was getting furious because it was

689
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 2: like like her, she already had an anger problem, and

690
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: he would just pretend like nothing was happening and like

691
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: sit down and eat dinner. Dan, But he's Irish Catholic,

692
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: and that's how we do it. Shut it down inside.

693
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: So then it.

694
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: In the fall of nineteen eighty three, he hires a

695
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: woman named Linda cole Kenna to be his legal assistant.

696
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: Linda before that had been a Delta Airlines flight attendant,

697
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: had no legal training.

698
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 3: But she's hot, she was.

699
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: She was a very homely girl with large glasses, right,

700
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 2: and large spanks.

701
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: No, that's not true at all.

702
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: In fact, Betty overheard Dan describing her, uh Linda as

703
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: being beautiful at a Christmas party and lost her fucking

704
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: of course, and immediately became convinced that the two of

705
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: them were having an affair. And she would harangue Dan

706
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: about it all the time and ask him about it,

707
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: and he was like, you're crazy or crazy or crazy

708
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: gas lamping her.

709
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,479
Speaker 3: Yes, right, you know how it is in the gas

710
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: light district. He would take her to the gas light

711
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: district and gas lamp the fuck out of her. That November.

712
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: She threw they had their both of their birthdays were

713
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: in November, so she threw a dinner party and through

714
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: the had this big party, made this huge gourmet meal.

715
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 2: He didn't fucking show up for it.

716
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: What dick.

717
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: And that night she it, you know, attempted suicide, very

718
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: very light cuts on her wrists that when he came home,

719
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: he bandaged them and.

720
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: Put her to bed and took care of her.

721
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: But she was clearly in a very very bad place,

722
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: so she started hinting around to her Christmas time. She

723
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: starts hitting around that she wants an this emerald ring

724
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: for Christmas. And on Christmas Day when he hands her

725
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: the velvet jewelry box and she opens it up, it

726
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: isn't the one she wanted. It's smaller and less expensive,

727
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: and she throws a fucking tantrum and like shuts Christmas down.

728
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: Uh huh, so priorities, you know what I mean, Like

729
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: you fight for what you need emotionally.

730
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: I mean maybe it was ugly, we don't know. I mean,

731
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: it's an emerald. What the fuck do you want?

732
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: Yeah? What are you, fucking Wizard of All?

733
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: What are you gonna?

734
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: What are you gonna go to the Emerald City and

735
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: fucking get your hair curled?

736
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: Like Dorothy? Who are we now?

737
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: So?

738
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: And this whole time, these fights are escalating. Uh. He

739
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: actually moved out after that.

740
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: He packed his bags after she ruined Christmas, moved out

741
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: after two weeks. She was like, the children can't be

742
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: inconsolable and so he moved back.

743
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: Well that's healthy for them. Yeah, it's healthy for all

744
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 3: of them.

745
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

746
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: Uh so let's see, this is a very odd point.

747
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: The straw that broke the camel's back for Dan was

748
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: during one of these horrible fights, Betty threw a.

749
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 7: Bottle of gel at him, like hair gel, hair gel? Yeah,

750
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 7: was he really into his hair jel?

751
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 3: I mean it was nineteen eighty five. Everybody was really

752
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 3: a hair gel. You didn't.

753
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: It was actually a city mandate that you had to

754
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 2: wear a shit ton of hair gel.

755
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Remember that, Like, what was it like Malibu something? It

756
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: looked like jello when you just yeah and through your hair. Yeah,

757
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: Ellie looks, thank you, thank you.

758
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: I mean, that's one brand. It was what I was

759
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: thinking of, to be fair. That shit smelled like bad

760
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: chemicals like paste and chemicals.

761
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: Like chemicals, Like they didn't even put anything a flowery

762
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 2: smell in it. They were like, what if we kind

763
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: of sent this like gasoline and the kids can put

764
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: it in their hair.

765
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: That would be fun. Everything was flammable. Then why is

766
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: my hair falling out again? Okay? So look listen, look

767
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 3: at my Dan moves out.

768
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: It's February nineteen eighty five, he buys a house, his

769
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: own house. Betty becomes increasingly unhinged and she One night, Kim,

770
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 2: the oldest daughter, comes home, she's in high school, and

771
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: they she and Betty get into a fight because she

772
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: came home late. She drives Kim over to Dan's house

773
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 2: and leaves her on the front porch and drives away,

774
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: doesn't check if Dan's home.

775
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: He wasn't home.

776
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: He was working late, and so by the time Dan

777
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: did get home, it was like eleven o'clock the night,

778
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: and she's just sitting on the porch crying. So she

779
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: starts living with Dan.

780
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 5: Well.

781
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: Then a little while later.

782
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: Kim and Dan are out having pizza for dinner one night,

783
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 2: and when they come home, their younger brother, I think

784
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: it was eight year old Dan was sitting on the porch.

785
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: She had left him on the porch and nobody was home.

786
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: And he was eight years old.

787
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: So eventually Dan got the custody of all four kids.

788
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: She basically went and dropped all of them off and

789
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: was like this, you deal with it for a while.

790
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: Which listen for a woman that has raised four children

791
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: entirely herself.

792
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 7: You go, okay, I mean today not awful yeah, share custody.

793
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 2: Or douce fucking something Dan, Dan drives away in his jag.

794
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: Sorry I can't hear you, Okay. Basically, their divorce was

795
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: so acrimonious and horrible it became famous.

796
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: They got divorced.

797
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: It was finalized in nineteen eighty nine, one of the

798
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 2: more famous divorce cases in the United States. And part

799
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: of it was because part of one of the arguments

800
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: was involving the fact that women who worked and put

801
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: their husband through school, how that would affect the alimony.

802
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the outcome of the divorce rules. They get

803
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: it all. I mean, yeah, you'd like to think, wouldn't you.

804
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: Betty starts leaving incredibly profane answering machine messages.

805
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: I don't know if starts, but I mean she.

806
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 5: Was.

807
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: She was trying to like kind of contact him and

808
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: make him understand how fucking livid she was all the time,

809
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: and she.

810
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 3: Couldn't do it.

811
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: So they have hours and hours of her answering machine

812
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: messages and it's fucking nuts.

813
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 3: It's not good. She they were restraining orders.

814
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: She would break into that house and like go through

815
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: his shit and try to find stuff. Finally, he admitted

816
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: that he, in fact all along had been having an

817
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: affair with Linda since nineteen eighty three.

818
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: No one shocked. I mean, yeah, not good.

819
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: One time she went into the house, the kids were there,

820
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: so she would go to Dan's house the kids, I

821
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: think at that point both girls lived there and the

822
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: boys would live there.

823
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: Sometimes.

824
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: She walked in and said, there's a pie on the counter, and.

825
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: She said, oh, what's that.

826
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: And one of the boys, the younger boys, not thinking,

827
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 2: was like, oh, Linda made that for Dad.

828
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: It's his favorite Boston very pie.

829
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: And she picked up the pie and went upstairs, and

830
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: she went into the bedroom and like just started scooping

831
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: out the middle of the pie and throwing it on

832
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: the walls, marrying it on the bed, smearing it on

833
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: his clothes.

834
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: I kind of love that.

835
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you can do it, you can do it.

836
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: What's she wrong? Does it? Ultimately? Yes, it's better than guns,

837
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: but it's not good. Okay.

838
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: So they get they on April twenty second, nineteen eighty nine,

839
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: Dan and Linda get married, and I think, oh, sorry, Stephen, shit,

840
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: we've got several pictures, so we need to show you.

841
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: Hold on, so can you show an early picture, because

842
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: that's Linda.

843
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: And that's Dan.

844
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 2: No photos, I'm sorry, but the first one was Betty

845
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: and Dan at their wedding.

846
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 3: Okay, this is Linda and Dan. Oh she's pretty. He's

847
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: forty two and she's twenty eight.

848
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 2: Linda looked basically like Betty looked when she was that age.

849
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: So her whole obsession was she'd basically just been replaced.

850
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: She went in, she did all the work, she put

851
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: him through two fucking schools, she had his kids, she

852
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: raised his kids, and then she got replaced.

853
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 5: All right.

854
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: So oh, the day they got married, a family friend

855
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: stayed with Betty to make sure that she didn't.

856
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: Go and wreck their wedding. That's how extream her behavior was.

857
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: So seven months after they were married, Betty Broderick drove

858
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: to Dan's house at ten forty one Cyprus Avenue in

859
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: the Marston Hills neighborhood of San Diego, and using her

860
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: daughter Lee's key to enter the house while the couple

861
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: was asleep, she shot and killed.

862
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: Them execution style, both of them. Yes, oh my, I

863
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: think I remember.

864
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: This now, Yeah, right, you do, because do you have

865
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: her arrest photo, Stephen.

866
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: Oh, that is one smug motherfucker.

867
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 3: Was not bombed there's Barry again. Oh my god, Arry

868
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 3: hair is that? Barry is the Zeleig of San Diego. God,

869
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 3: she is most certainly not bombed. Wow, that's scary. That's

870
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: so scary. I think my mom had that shirt. I

871
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: swear to god, I think my mom had that haircut.

872
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so sad.

873
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, she did that, and then she basically called her

874
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: daughters and told them that she did it, and then

875
00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: and then turned herself into the police. Yeah, it's it's horrified.

876
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: And she did it two days before her forty second birthday. Okay,

877
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: So two bullets hit Linda in the head and chest,

878
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: killing her instantly. One bullet hit Dan in the chest

879
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 2: and it looked like he was reaching for the phone.

880
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: She had taken the phone and answering machine out of

881
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: the room previously when she'd broken into the house, so

882
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: that came up later because it was entirely premeditated.

883
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: She said that she went over there. She didn't go

884
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: over there to kill them. She just went over there

885
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 3: to talk.

886
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: I think again, is yeah, instead of her mouth gun chats.

887
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

888
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, she was getting sixteen thousand dollars a month alimony.

889
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: I know, right, she was living in a at the

890
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: time six hundred and fifty thousand dollars Lahoya beachfront property.

891
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: Holy.

892
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: She had two cars, and she had a live in

893
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: like or not live in like, a full time boyfriend.

894
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 3: Full time boyfriend. Okay and blah, how you do it?

895
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: How on I get a full tumble of friend? Thank you?

896
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: Well, she doesn't want no part time love her, that's right,

897
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: call Meghan Trainer.

898
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: I've got a hit for her. But this is so

899
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 3: fucked up.

900
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: Sorry, so sorry. This is the part where the stranger

901
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: gets very upset, just so you know, he gets shot.

902
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: He reachester a phone. There's no phone there.

903
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 2: He doesn't die instantly, and in fact, he said he

904
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: looked at Betty and said to her.

905
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: Okay, you shot me, I'm dead. Those were his last words.

906
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 3: Pretty fucking dark. Okay.

907
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: Uh So basically, okay, now I just skipped to the

908
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: paid that insanity.

909
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: Okay. So she pleads not guilty two counts of murder

910
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 3: and heard what that means well at her first trial.

911
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: So the first trial starts in October twenty second of

912
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety and it was all, of course, all over

913
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: the media. It was on broadcast live on local television,

914
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: which I got. I would have loved to watch them.

915
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: Now do you imagine like staying home from school just.

916
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: Like nine years old, and I'm like, Mom, I'm not

917
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: going to school.

918
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 3: I feel sick. Here ye here ye oh shit.

919
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: So at that, she testifies she didn't intend to kill

920
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: her husband. She said she went to their house planning

921
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 2: to kill herself.

922
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 3: That's what it was. She went there.

923
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 2: Saying she was going to kill herself in front of them,

924
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 2: and then when she went in, she has no memory

925
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: of what happened after that.

926
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: And she says that he.

927
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: Harassed her during the bitter divorce, left her emotionally and

928
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: financially ruined, you know, financially ruined with your fucking thousands

929
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: and thousands of dollars of alimony. Her first trial end

930
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: in a deadlock jury. What Yeah, tenders reached the verdict

931
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: murder to hold out for manslaughter.

932
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: Guys, do they know what that means? Well?

933
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: I think maybe some of them were like, oh, I

934
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: put my husband through college as well, and that motherfucker

935
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: lives in yeah, West Covina now with someone named Danielle.

936
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 3: They call her Danny. It's not cool cool.

937
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: I think she roller skates for a living anyway, I'm

938
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: really angry. So when she's waiting for her second trial, she's

939
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: involved in a jail house scuffle with sheriff's deputies.

940
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 3: They started it.

941
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 2: They alleged that she injured three of them and smeared

942
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: feces around her jail cell. Yeah, I mean, I think

943
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: she just kind of went full crazo.

944
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: Like in jail, she was just like, you know what,

945
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 3: I gotta be me. I got to do this thing.

946
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 3: Later days.

947
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: I don't have the carpool or do anything.

948
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 3: What will I do with my time? Okay?

949
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: So a second trial begins October fifteenth, nineteen ninety one.

950
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: The prosecution argues for finding a first degree murder, saying

951
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: that she carried out a cold blooded execution, and the

952
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: defense again says it should be voluntary manslaughter because she

953
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: was driven to the slang by years of psychological abuse

954
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: and intimidation. But under the cross examination, she just oh.

955
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: So she says that when she goes into the house

956
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 2: on this trial, that she walked in and went into

957
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: an altered state of consciousness and doesn't remember pulling the trigger.

958
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: So they play back and those answering machine messages where

959
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: she's fucking going crazy, and at one point she actually

960
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: talks about getting her son to go beat up her

961
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: husband his father. In December fifth, nineteen ninety one, Superior

962
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: Court Judge Thomas J. Wheel In instructs the jury to

963
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: consider options of involuntary manslaughter, voluntary manslaughter, second and first

964
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: degree murders. The jurors deliberate, and they come back to

965
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: find Betty Broderick guilty of two counts of second dree

966
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: murder plus two counts of using a firearm in the

967
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: commission of a felony.

968
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: She just recently was.

969
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: Up for a parole no way, uh huh, and it

970
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 2: was the second it's the second time.

971
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 3: She's been up for parole.

972
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: And on that podcast that I mentioned, they play a

973
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 2: tape of the four kids, and two of them want

974
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: her to stay in jail, and two of them want

975
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 2: her to get out man. And it is Ultimately the

976
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: whole thing is heartbreaking. There's kind, it's bad, there's nothing

977
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: worse than that. But because these children, whatever was going

978
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: on between those adults, these children had no control and

979
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: nothing to do with it, and their lives got so

980
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: fucked up because of it. Obviously, I mean, they ended

981
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: up doing fine, but the idea of that that they're

982
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: they're still in the middle of this, and they're still

983
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: stuck in the middle.

984
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: Of that horrible life. It's so shitty. To end on

985
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 3: a nice note.

986
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: I believe it's In nineteen ninety two, they made a

987
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: made for TV movie that merrit At the Baxter Bernie

988
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: starred in and was nominated for an Emmy. So let's

989
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: focus on the positive. That was Brady Broadreck. Everybody.

990
00:52:54,760 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: Wow, sorry, no.

991
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: My papers, and we're back Karen any updates, Just a couple.

992
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: Betty Broderick died this year on May eighth of natural

993
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: causes at the age of seventy eight. She was still

994
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: in jail. She would have been up for parole again

995
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: in twenty thirty two. And just a reminder that the

996
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: second season of the TV show Dirty John was about

997
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: this story and Amanda Pete played Betty and she was

998
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: so fucking incredible and it was so fucking good.

999
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 3: It was unbelievable. It was a joy to watch.

1000
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, great.

1001
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 2: Job, thank you. Now let's get into Georgia. Story about

1002
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: the Heaven's Gate col.

1003
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: Yes, uh, so okay, this isn't a murder because I'm

1004
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: gonna do whatever the fuck.

1005
00:53:59,320 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1006
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: Instead, I'm doing the cult. I most likely would have

1007
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: joined Heleven's Gate.

1008
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, this is the exact same.

1009
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: Story of when Steven sent it to me. I was like,

1010
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: murdered girl, murdered girl. This girl got my Heaven's Gate.

1011
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, Steven, I'm so

1012
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: angry at you that you didn't send me Heaven's Gate

1013
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: that we're going to have a long talk after this show,

1014
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: after this one and before the next one.

1015
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: He gave He did me a solid It's so good.

1016
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: I can't wait and listen.

1017
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 2: Wait, maybe I won't yell at him, because it's going

1018
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 2: to be fun to not have had to do the work.

1019
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 3: Listen.

1020
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: They had a lot of beliefs, and I had like

1021
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: six pages of their beliefs.

1022
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I was like crossing shit out, you

1023
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1024
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: It was like, all right, any offham that you can remember,

1025
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 2: like besides nikes and Jello shots.

1026
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: Well they did this thing where they you know, did

1027
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: the gave up all the shots? Why didn't I listen, Mar,

1028
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: it's so funny. I want to join that call. You're

1029
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: trying to do your thing, all right, I'll tell y'all. Okay,

1030
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: in Lada, what let me tell you about it?

1031
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 3: Okay? Actually all right, Marshall apple White.

1032
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: He's the son of a Presbyterian minister, so already got

1033
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: it together. He he begins his fullay, gotpied on paste

1034
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: with them? No, he did it in the early seventies

1035
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: into biblical prophecy. He was fired from the University of

1036
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: Saint Thomas in Houston, Texas because of an alleged homosexual

1037
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: relationship with one of his students.

1038
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 3: That's wrong, which part all of it?

1039
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: Oh?

1040
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 3: You guys didn't know what we're like? Okay?

1041
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: So in so he goes at some point he goes

1042
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: into a psychiatric institution.

1043
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 3: Maybe it's after this.

1044
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: And in March nineteen seventy two, and he meets Bonnie Nettles,

1045
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: forty four year old married nurse music teacher from Texas.

1046
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: She's super into theosophy and.

1047
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 3: Theosophy. Theosophy and we know theosogy. Did I copy and

1048
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 3: paste that wrong? You know it's theology and philosophy mis together.

1049
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 3: We know what it is.

1050
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, uh, where did I? Okay, don't

1051
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: laugh at me, Okay, laugh at me.

1052
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: It's fine.

1053
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: Biblical prophecy all that shit. She's super into it and

1054
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: they uh so they kind of become really close. They

1055
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: become really close friends pretty immediately. When he gets out

1056
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: of the hospital, they go on eight six months so

1057
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: long road trip across the United States.

1058
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 3: They start calling themselves bow and peepe.

1059
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: Sorry. So, like inside this mental hospital, this nurse is

1060
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 2: going around like handing out little cups of pills. But

1061
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 2: she's like, I don't know, there's something about you.

1062
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: I just want to Yeah, I think we should be

1063
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 3: really good friends.

1064
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: The thing about you is that your face is always

1065
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: in a Bible and you're super into the possibility that extraterrestrials.

1066
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: Oh almost a marriage encounter situation. Okay, yeah, I like it.

1067
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: I like it. It was on my mind. Yeah, so

1068
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: he said.

1069
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: He later recalled that he felt like he had known

1070
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: her for a long time and that he thought they

1071
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: had met in a past life, and she told him

1072
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: that their meeting had been foretold by extraterrestrials and persuaded

1073
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: him that he had a divine assignment.

1074
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: She was the nurse at the mental hospital, that's what

1075
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: she said. She was behind the counter.

1076
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: Maybe she was lying, So we don't know, right, so

1077
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: by June was nineteen seventy four. They study religious stuff.

1078
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: They're into religion, sci fi theology, and they conclude that

1079
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: they had been chosen to fill the Biblical prophecies and

1080
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:54,959
Speaker 1: they had been.

1081
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 3: Given higher level of minds than other people.

1082
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: I want a relationship like that where you're like, you

1083
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: meet a person.

1084
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 3: You guys are sitting in Applebee's.

1085
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean we would be sitting at apples and you're

1086
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: just like, this isn't just normal chemistry. This is alien

1087
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: shit happening between us.

1088
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: Well that's every fucking couple in the beginning. They're so

1089
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: annoying because.

1090
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 3: Like we're meant to be and where's Bostay? Like this

1091
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: is fain and it's like you just met at a party.

1092
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: You like the other one's smell, yeah, pheromones, and you

1093
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: just don't understand it.

1094
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 2: She looks like your third grade teacher and he is

1095
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: taller than you.

1096
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 3: So it's all working out. That's love, baby, that's love.

1097
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: Or maybe you're aliens, or maybe you're both Bible prophecy aliens.

1098
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 3: We don't know. For shouldn't judge. Listen.

1099
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: Look, they wrote a pamphlet that described Jesus's reincarnation as

1100
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: a Texan.

1101
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: Sound familiar Texas.

1102
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: That's where Marshall apple White was from.

1103
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: Maybe it's town, or it could be a quarterback of

1104
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys.

1105
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 3: Who knows you got a team, right, the Cowboys? I did?

1106
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 3: It was the other one. I think.

1107
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: I called the Denver the Denver Rattlesnakes.

1108
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 3: They didn't like it. It's not a thing. They didn't

1109
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: like it when I called their team a rattlesnake. Well,

1110
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 3: we know, we don't care, okay.

1111
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: They said they were two witnesses described in the n period.

1112
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: I wrote and called themselves the UFO too. Oh my god,

1113
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: they have the worst names.

1114
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: Get out of here, bow and keep you already have

1115
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: a name.

1116
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: Already, I have a better one, the two fo Come on,

1117
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: the two fos?

1118
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 3: How about the well that is at the top of

1119
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 3: my head?

1120
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: No, she's good. But also, how about this lifelong rule.

1121
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,959
Speaker 2: Don't give yourself nicknames. It doesn't work that way.

1122
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: And if you're got out extra terrestrials, like, come on, it's.

1123
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 3: So easy that create of two live crew of aliens.

1124
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: I just want to be a part of it. Both good,

1125
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 3: let's good.

1126
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: So they thought they would be killed and then restored

1127
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: to life and transported onto a spaceship in an event

1128
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: called the Demonstration the marriage demonstration. Aside from giving up

1129
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: their earthly possessions, which is like what every cult does,

1130
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: which would be like, we know, they had an institute district,

1131
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: no sex, no human level relationship, no socializing rule, without

1132
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: anyone outside of the cult, they didn't call themselves a cult.

1133
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 3: I bet I'm calling that. Sorry, So so there's people

1134
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: in their cult.

1135
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: Now and they also don't. They're not boyfriend and girlfriend no,

1136
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: because he was not.

1137
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: Her full time boyfriend. It's not like that with them.

1138
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: Well he I don't.

1139
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: They don't really say, but he had the homosexual relationship,

1140
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: so I think maybe he oh it was gay, and

1141
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: then maybe not, but they don't talk about that.

1142
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 3: Okay, these kinds of decisions.

1143
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: It sounds like he wasn't like a cult leader who

1144
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: was kind of like you want to be here, and

1145
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm not like gonna make you. He's a chill cult leader.

1146
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: He's like a cool, chill cult leader. It's about UFOs,

1147
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: which sounds fucking fun. And I can't promise I wouldn't

1148
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: have joined this cult just to see what they were like,

1149
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: or maybe gone to a meeting I mean it sounds

1150
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: pretty cool, you like, just check stuff out. If I

1151
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: believe in anything in this fucking life, it's aliens.

1152
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 3: So really, yeah, I hate aliens.

1153
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: I know.

1154
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 3: I don't think we've ever seen you know what.

1155
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going there, okay, but a couple of their

1156
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: things I was like, yeah, yeah, that's what I thought

1157
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: late at night when I can't sleep. No, definitely, like,

1158
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: where did rafts come from? They're aliens. It's just happened

1159
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 1: a long time ago.

1160
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 3: No, it's just evolution.

1161
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: It happens the smallberry's top of tall trees, you get

1162
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: a long neck.

1163
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: It's not aliens. Yeah, but they were. I totally agree.

1164
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 3: Now we're fighting about evolution. Well I agree, I disagree

1165
01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 3: any ways. Okay.

1166
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: So uh so, these decisions like this were always left

1167
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: up to the members, and eight of them, including including Marshall,

1168
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 1: decided to voluntarily get castrated because they were like, no sex, seriously.

1169
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 3: It's quite a commitment.

1170
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: Tis, It's like a tattoo. Canna have it forever?

1171
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask a question and reveal a deep ignorance

1172
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: of mine.

1173
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: Okay, No, it's not getting your dick cut off. Okay,

1174
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: if I had been wrong, so disgusted.

1175
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: I've always every time I hear it, I just think

1176
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: someone gets kindled.

1177
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 3: It's a little it's just a little.

1178
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,479
Speaker 2: That's not it. It's a little snip. It's a little

1179
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: snipsecto me. Wait, no, it's the balls go right.

1180
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 3: I think it's like a cat right when you like

1181
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 3: you there?

1182
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: Do you know?

1183
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 3: It's balls? It's balls? Everybody? Thank you?

1184
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 2: Siri?

1185
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 3: Are so cool about that?

1186
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: Sorry, cool as a fucking cucumber. This guy sorry to

1187
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: drink cucumbers into this conversation.

1188
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 3: He's like podcast now he's like my wife, I'm really

1189
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 3: worried about her.

1190
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: Papa castrated? Where did I ended on castrated?

1191
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 3: Yep? Okay, here's where I would have quit the cult.

1192
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: Oh.

1193
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: They were also really into the Master Cleanse, meaning if

1194
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: they drink nothing.

1195
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 3: We've all fucking done it. Let me do the Master

1196
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 3: cleans to say.

1197
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: Lemonade, cayenne pepper, and maple syrup, and we're all like,

1198
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm drinking even.

1199
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 3: I did it for one day, not even.

1200
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: I did it from morning until my friend was like, hey,

1201
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: do you want to go to happy Hour?

1202
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 3: Yes? Literally eight cheeseburgers and beer that night. I was like,

1203
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 3: I'll do this against How does that work out the

1204
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 3: next day?

1205
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: I mean, my body at that point was a mess,

1206
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: so like, thank you, because.

1207
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: That thing is I think I did it the whole thing.

1208
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 2: I love a good starve. I'm a starver binger. That's

1209
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: my jam. I just want to keep on losing and

1210
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 2: gaining the same forty pounds for the rest of my life.

1211
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 3: I'm good at it. I think I am gone.

1212
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: To have all the sizes of clothes. I'm comfortable at

1213
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 2: every fucking pair of pants.

1214
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 5: I have.

1215
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 3: Us feelings.

1216
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 2: I just how do you do full time master cleanse?

1217
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 2: That's like you?

1218
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 3: So they just always had diary. I think broth. Oh,

1219
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 3: I think you got the answer is always broth. Okay,

1220
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 3: all right, all right, all right, it doesn't matter. Listen,

1221
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 3: call them. I look, look and listen and call them.

1222
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: Throughout the late seventies and eighties, membership grew. They are

1223
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,479
Speaker 1: described the people who joined it were quote longtime truth

1224
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: seekers or spiritual hippies who had long since believed in

1225
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: attempting to quote find themselves through spiritual means, calming faiths

1226
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: in a sort of cultural mid You you say that,

1227
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: that's how, I say, Well, into the mid eighties, so

1228
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: Essentially they were people who should, like now would have just.

1229
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 3: Gone to Burning Man and like, but back then they

1230
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 3: have nothing. You know what I mean?

1231
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: You know how many castrations Burning Man is making sure

1232
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 2: it don't happen every year.

1233
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 3: It's magical. Yeah, thank god, beautiful. Okay.

1234
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: So then and this is just like a little aside

1235
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: in the story, but I want more info. Fucking Bonnie

1236
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: Nettles then dies and I had she dies in nineteen

1237
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: eighty five, and I had to like find three different

1238
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: articles to find out how she died, try to cancer, like,

1239
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: they don't fucking mention it again, Oh it's crazy, or

1240
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: even how he's secondary death, Like, yeah, is this suspicious?

1241
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 3: No, it's not. I just like want more information about her.

1242
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 3: Oh you know what I mean?

1243
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: Sure, I just think she's a bigger part of this. Okay,

1244
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: she's established this guy.

1245
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 3: She told him he was an alien or whatever. Peep

1246
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 3: Bo and Pep peep people.

1247
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: Uh. By the mid nineties, at this point they become

1248
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: super reclusive. They start calling themselves the Higher Source and

1249
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: begin recruiting via uploaded internet content. So the fucking internet starts,

1250
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: and you know it's one of those like fucking GeoCities

1251
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: pages do we.

1252
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 3: Have that stement? Yea, oh no, yeah?

1253
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 7: Design that fucking they did Heaven's Gate, did someone?

1254
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 3: It looks like a bad Super Bowl trophy, doesn't it?

1255
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 3: Kind of oh good black background with green.

1256
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,479
Speaker 1: Writing and there's you know, there's the space theme again.

1257
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: They're sharing that over into the website.

1258
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so okay, I'll read that later. So uploaded internet.

1259
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: Then they begin to talk about the upcoming So this

1260
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: is when the hailbop comment was going to come down, which,

1261
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: if you guys are our age, no, it was a big,

1262
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: fucking crazy, exciting deal.

1263
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: Sure right, yeah, some people thought the world was gonna end,

1264
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.

1265
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: They thought it housed the secret to the Ultimate salvation

1266
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: and descendants into the Kingdom of Heaven, aka the closure

1267
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: of Heaven's Gate.

1268
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 3: Oh they sorry, don't lead my store. Can we show

1269
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 3: the closure of Heaven's Gate? Go show me the closure

1270
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 3: of Heaven's Gate? Dang? Okay.

1271
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: So they upload videos onto the web page or the

1272
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: beautiful web page, and it gained a mass following through

1273
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: the Internet and the ninety six they move into a

1274
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: large home they called the Monastery. It was a nine

1275
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: thousand square foot residents in a gated community of upscale

1276
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: homes and Rancho Santa Fe San Diego.

1277
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 3: Oh.

1278
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: I thought they changed the name because they were like,

1279
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: they didn't. They knocked the fucking house down later, but

1280
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: let me tell you why first. That's for the best, right.

1281
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: I like that everybody in the balcony is from Rancho

1282
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: Santa Fe.

1283
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: I also like that the front row of the first

1284
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: line was super helpful and awesome.

1285
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 3: No, they're good people, not just.

1286
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: Screaming don't don't fucking don't overdo it.

1287
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't, don't ruin it. Okay, Okay, you're ruining it. Okay.

1288
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: At this point, Heaven's Gate, they believed Earth was about

1289
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: to be recycled. Their only chance to survive was to

1290
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: leave it immediately, and they were against suicide, but they

1291
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: defined suicide in their own content to mean to turn

1292
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: against the next level when it's offered. And they thought

1293
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: human bodies were only vessels, which I mean, are they wrong?

1294
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: And so in ninety six they purchased alien Abduction Insurance,

1295
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: which is a fucking thing.

1296
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,799
Speaker 2: Who started that company, I don't know, but he's a genius.

1297
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,799
Speaker 1: That she's a genius. That's Geico right there into now Geico.

1298
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: They've changed their name to Geico, they would cover up

1299
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: to fifty members and would pay out one million per

1300
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: person covered abduction, impregnation, or death by aliens. Oh, prove it,

1301
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: that's all I want to say. Prove I'm not I'm

1302
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: not impregnated by an alien.

1303
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 3: You don't know, you can't tell, you can't tell. Okay.

1304
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: So on March nineteenth and twentieth and ninety seven, Marshall

1305
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,799
Speaker 1: apple White taped himself speaking of mass suicide and asserted

1306
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: it was the only way to evacuate this earth.

1307
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 3: Do you remember the video? Oh yeah, I think we

1308
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 3: have a photo of him in the video. The eyes,

1309
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 3: the eyes, the eyes, the eyes. What's wrong? What's wrong? Guys?

1310
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: It's chill.

1311
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 3: It's not.

1312
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: If you're ever in Starbucks and that guy's behind you,

1313
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: like or taking your order, if anyone's eyes, if their

1314
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: lids go out past the iris so they're showing.

1315
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 3: White on top, get the fuck out of there. Danger.

1316
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: As someone who has worked at both a Helsfield grocery

1317
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: store and Starbucks, these dudes a and dirty change. And

1318
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: they also when I worked at the health food store,

1319
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 1: they wouldn't let you scan their groceries because they thought

1320
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: that they were gonna get poisoned by the government, and

1321
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: so you had to please. You bought every fucking number

1322
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: in the barcode in, and like if you put it

1323
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: near the scanner, they'd freak the fuck out.

1324
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 3: It's like, it's real fun.

1325
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: They're the only ones whose brains haven't been taken over

1326
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 2: by the government.

1327
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: They're the only normal ones because they're not okay, God

1328
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: bless them.

1329
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 2: Please, oh please keep my Brussels sprouts away from that

1330
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: right light, ma'am.

1331
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: And then the course they're not nice is the thing.

1332
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't care. I don't care.

1333
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: Do whatever you want, but be nice, like there were

1334
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: dicks about it.

1335
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 2: That's the thing about hippies is there's a lot of

1336
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 2: bad press about them, like, oh, they're soapies and love.

1337
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 3: Hippies are fucking rude. Yeah they're rude. You're selfish. Yeah

1338
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 3: take that to the bank. Okay, all right, okay. Taped himself.

1339
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,520
Speaker 1: And then he persuaded thirty eight of his cult followers

1340
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: to commit suicide.

1341
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 3: So that their souls could bore the craft.

1342
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: So he believed that after their deaths, an unidentified.

1343
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 3: Flying object UFO would take.

1344
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: Thank you, would take their souls to another quote level

1345
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: of existence above human, which he describes as being both

1346
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: physical and spiritual. Their final meal together. Here's one thing

1347
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: I just couldn't cut out because it was so good.

1348
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: Where did you go earlier in your story on Apple Apple?

1349
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: It's not Applebee's, but it's close. Okay. They had their

1350
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: final meal, like right before they did this. They were

1351
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: like excited about it, and the waitress or the waiter

1352
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: was like, no, they all seem like in really good spirits.

1353
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. They all ate the same thing.

1354
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: They all shaved the same way. They all did these

1355
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: things together like a cult. Yeah, and so they all

1356
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: ordered the same thing. They went to Marie Calendar's.

1357
01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 2: Nice yes, loving it, salad bar, sometimes live piano, good corn.

1358
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, we go. Well, I'll tell you what they ate. Okay.

1359
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: They went to Marie Calendars in Carl's Bad after party.

1360
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 3: I'll see you guys there. Yes, that Marie.

1361
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but that Marie Calendars and Carl's Bad is

1362
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 2: fucking nuts.

1363
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 3: It's the best one. You go there, you.

1364
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 2: Drink white wine like you have six white wines Chable.

1365
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 3: And then you just eat pie. It's amazing.

1366
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: Well, no, they ate iced tea, yawn, have a gloss

1367
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,839
Speaker 1: of wine, dinner salads with tomato vinegar dressing.

1368
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 3: That sounds kind of nice. It is nice.

1369
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: And my favorite food jerkey pot pie. I like chicken,

1370
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: but I love pop pie. So I was pretty stoked

1371
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: on that.

1372
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 3: That was their Their final meal was turkey pot pie.

1373
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marie Calendars in Carlsbad, California.

1374
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 3: This pot pie is chrispy on the top and chrispy everywhere.

1375
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 3: We'll see. That's why I got fired. No, I didn't

1376
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 3: that quit.

1377
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 1: And they also had cheesecake with blueberries on top for dessert.

1378
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 3: Nice. Like they had dessert.

1379
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: They're like, let's go kill ourselves now. It's crazy. The

1380
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: waiter said. No one seemed depressed at all or anything

1381
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: like that.

1382
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 2: So except for the one guy who was like, I

1383
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 2: wanted snickers pie.

1384
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 3: We have to all do the same thing every time.

1385
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: So the adherents between the ages of twenty six and

1386
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: seventy two.

1387
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 3: They died in three seventy two.

1388
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might have been him, that was seventy two.

1389
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 3: They included him. I mean, I can't tell how old

1390
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 3: he is from that picture, but not young. Yeah. So

1391
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 3: here's what they did.

1392
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: They they had three groups, and so each group would

1393
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: die on a different day, and the other ones would

1394
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: take care of them and clean them up and stop.

1395
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 3: Oh, so I know it's fucked up.

1396
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: So March twenty first, twenty fourth, thirty eight, Heaven's Gate

1397
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: members took phenobarbital mixed with apple sauce and washed it

1398
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,879
Speaker 1: down with a vodka, and then they put plastic bags

1399
01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: around their heads after ingesting the mixture to induce asphyxiation.

1400
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were not fucking around.

1401
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, as you're pulling that bag on your head, you're.

1402
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, maybe.

1403
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: I know.

1404
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 3: Bums me out so much.

1405
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 2: I remember seeing this on the news when it happened. Yeah,

1406
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 2: and those fucking most Sorry, I don't let.

1407
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: Me get to that thing, but I actually got that

1408
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 3: part in. It's so intent. You cut it in, I

1409
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:26,799
Speaker 3: cut it in. Okay.

1410
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: So they were found dead in their home in March

1411
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven, lying neatly in They're each

1412
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: in their own bank beds, and like, imagine seeing this

1413
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: when you're a fucking teenager and on the news. It

1414
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: was so insane. It's just perfect. Everyone's perfect. They're in

1415
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: these perfect bunk beds. They all have their faces and

1416
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: torsos are covered by these perfect square purple cloths which

1417
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: the people who were still living put over them. They

1418
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: and they were all dressed in identical black shirts, sweat

1419
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,759
Speaker 1: black sweatpants, and brand new.

1420
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 3: Black and white Nike Decade Athletes shoes.

1421
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: So that was like the crazy like this fucking they

1422
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: didn't have them then, but this meme a fucking back then. Yeah,

1423
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: before memes weren't thing, Yes, the original and Nike was

1424
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: like they discontinued the shoes, Yes they did, and they

1425
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: actually you can sell them for a lot.

1426
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 3: You can buy them for a ship. They sold like

1427
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 3: someone bought them for.

1428
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: Like a million dollars on eBay.

1429
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, murdering. No, yeah good.

1430
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,759
Speaker 2: I remember the thing that upset me with that video

1431
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: because it's such a it's such a walk through. It's

1432
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 2: creepy videos. Why it's it's totally uh early Blair witch.

1433
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 2: But to see adults in bunk beds is not cool

1434
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 2: at all.

1435
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not that alone. Something's wrong.

1436
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 2: If they were just asleep and the police were like

1437
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 2: a bunch of adults slept in bunk beds.

1438
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 3: And'd be like, oh God, get me out of here.

1439
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 3: But then they took it a step further. They did.

1440
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: They each had a five dollars bill and a and

1441
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: a roll of cords in their pockets, which was actually

1442
01:15:58,439 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: what they when.

1443
01:15:58,920 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 3: They would leave the house.

1444
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you know, they didn't have earthly possessions, but just

1445
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: in case they need to use a bus or make

1446
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: a phone call, they would always bring a five dollars

1447
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 1: bill in a world of quarters. And someone was like,

1448
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: they did it as kind of a joke, just to

1449
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: like have people find it. It's almost like they had

1450
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: a sense of humor about it, because I didn't think

1451
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: they were killing themselves. They thought they were you know,

1452
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: hiling off to space, going to the God that's awful,

1453
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 1: spared in the.

1454
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 3: Sky and all that.

1455
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they also were super into Star Trek and

1456
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: just like you are, just like me who almost said

1457
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 1: Star Wars John Trek, I did, like, listen, look the

1458
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: next generation was my dam when I was a kid.

1459
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 3: It's good. It's so good.

1460
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 2: It's also very this it's all like pastels. It was

1461
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: very it was very esthetically pleasing to watch.

1462
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 3: And that Will Wheaton, I sure had a crush on him.

1463
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 2: Sure he was wearing a body suit. How could you

1464
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 2: deny him?

1465
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: Okay, and so they wore they all had patches that

1466
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: said Heaven's Gate Away Team, which was a stark fictional universe.

1467
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 2: These people were funny, they were kind of clever, like cool,

1468
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: it's so odd.

1469
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: So they had the distinction of being the first well

1470
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: known cult and the Internet era, and they actually they

1471
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: made money designing websites for people, and that web fucking

1472
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: site is still up and running.

1473
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 3: Today by two people who are like cult members who

1474
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 3: didn't kill themselves, like the they're the remaining two. Yeah,

1475
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 3: well there's probably more than that. Wow. Yes, And I just.

1476
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 2: Remember saying, didn't they all have shaved heads form I

1477
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 2: combining that with some other cult I don't know if

1478
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 2: they were real low key like everything was very Yeah.

1479
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: They all were the same color outfits. They were all,

1480
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, chill, yeah.

1481
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1482
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: So that's uh, that's your cult, Heaven's Gates, San Diego.

1483
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 2: You guys, Wow, So good, Okay, we're back. What are

1484
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 2: the updates for the Heaven's Gate called Georgia.

1485
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: There's not many, just about some media. The documentary miniseries

1486
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: Heaven's Gate The Cult of Cults was released on HBO

1487
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: Max in twenty twenty, and then a film adaptation of

1488
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: this story which you're gonna love this. It's called The Leader.

1489
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: It's released on June fifth, so by the time this

1490
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,759
Speaker 1: comes out, it'll be out. And so Vera Faminga plays

1491
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 1: Bonnie and none other than Tim Blake Nelson is playing Marshall,

1492
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: the head of Heaven's Gate. Yes, so sweet, Yes, the

1493
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: guy from the not like one of the best actors

1494
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: ever of course from brother w Yes, like he's so

1495
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: perfect for that.

1496
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 3: That's incredible, Like, no one's a better actor.

1497
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: He's going to just act that down.

1498
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 3: He's going to act the fuck at it. And also

1499
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 3: Michael C.

1500
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 6: White.

1501
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that'll be incredible. Wow, that's gonna be what

1502
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: must watch TV. What do they call it? Uh when

1503
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: they time to c TV? Yeah, but what's the one

1504
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: where they like make it an appointment?

1505
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 3: Oh, appointment TV. So it's not an appointment, it's calendar TV. Calendar.

1506
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: Put it in your calendar TV. Everybody, all right, we're.

1507
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 2: Gonna wrap it up with a hometown story from the

1508
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: audience in San Diego.

1509
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 3: Do we have time? Vince? Vince's saying wrap it up?

1510
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 3: Is it a wrap up time?

1511
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: No? He's he's making insane hand gestures that I totally

1512
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: don't under I think it's a yes, yes he's going

1513
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: with this.

1514
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 3: When I don't know what that means.

1515
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to work out hand gestures that we

1516
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: memorize and learn.

1517
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: I should know what my husband's like, wild insane gestures mean.

1518
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: But I don't yet, and I feel like you don't.

1519
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: There's something wrong with her. We need to go to marriage.

1520
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 3: Encounters and learn each other.

1521
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 4: Shit.

1522
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 3: Do I pick?

1523
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 1: Or do you pick?

1524
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 3: Oh? I don't know. Like coming at the house, can

1525
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 3: we take a look. I think we're going to do

1526
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 3: a hometown murder. We choose, doesn't matter what you do,

1527
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 3: it's our choice. You can do whatever you want. Ultimately,

1528
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 3: we choose. Hold on, let's see, Uh hold on? Okay.

1529
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 3: I love when a girl is pointing at her friend. Yeah,

1530
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 3: that's always good.

1531
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:20,440
Speaker 1: That girl right there, Blondie. Uh oh she's drunk or terrified?

1532
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 3: She's no.

1533
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 2: No, are you mad that your friend pointed at you?

1534
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 3: Okay, your head that night in the air. Hi, Hey,

1535
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 3: what's your name? What's your name? You come here? You

1536
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 3: have to tell us your name. Laurie. Hi, Laurie, say Hi,

1537
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 3: Say hi to Laurie.

1538
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 2: Everybody, do you want to face that way.

1539
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 3: Okay, we can do it this way. Yeah, do it

1540
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 3: this way. You can't read your nose, you can't read it. No,

1541
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 3: or you're just texting? Do that later. You have to

1542
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 3: earn the photo by by telling the story. Where are

1543
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 3: you from?

1544
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 5: San Diego?

1545
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 2: Oh? Hell yeah, girl, I just want you guys to

1546
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 2: know she has sparkles on her cheek, so many spar sparkly,

1547
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 2: sparkly and twinkly.

1548
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 3: Okay, where so tell us your hometown. Take a deep breath. Yeah,

1549
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 3: you're right, and then go ahead and me use that mic. Yeah,

1550
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 3: you can get shit wrong.

1551
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 5: Okay, no, I will get shit wrong.

1552
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 3: Okay, good, we do too.

1553
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, my heart is beating. Cleophis Prince Junior, the Claremont Killer.

1554
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, do you know that? No, tell me

1555
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 3: you seem fine. I can't know you're doing. You seem

1556
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 3: totally normal. Pretend you gotta pretend. Well, just tell us

1557
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 3: how you're how do you know this story? Seriously, ride

1558
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,719
Speaker 3: up here with these with these motherfuckers.

1559
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 5: These motherfuckers.

1560
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 3: Okay, So nineteen ninety.

1561
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 5: My best friend was murdered by a serial killer.

1562
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's probably why you were having a hard

1563
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 2: time talking about it.

1564
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, little more so like there's so many things

1565
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 8: going through my mind.

1566
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 5: Oh honey, it's okay, sweet baby.

1567
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 3: Don't comfort her. It's your story, okay, So oh I

1568
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 3: want to get it right.

1569
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 8: January nineteen ninety, Tiffany Schultz murdered in a Claremont apartment

1570
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 8: found by her boyfriend.

1571
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 5: I believe January.

1572
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 8: Then February, Jeanine winehold is her name, was murdered same

1573
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 8: apartment buildings. She's about twenty years old. We found out,

1574
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 8: we hear it, we hear it, and we're like, oh

1575
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 8: my god, there's a fucking serial killer.

1576
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 5: In our in San Diego.

1577
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 8: My best friend at the time was like, oh my god,

1578
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 8: I'm going to get killed by this guy. And I'm like,

1579
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 8: you're not going to get what are you talking about?

1580
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 5: And she always had.

1581
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 8: A thing where she was afraid that her and her

1582
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 8: mom were gonna get killed. Okay, So yeah, it was weird.

1583
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 8: March goes by, We're good.

1584
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1585
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:52,560
Speaker 8: April, a girl named Holly Tarr, who was visiting her

1586
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 8: brother same Claremont apartment complex, murdered, stabbed to death. So

1587
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 8: then at that point they figured it was somebody that

1588
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 8: was they knew. And then May East San Diego, a

1589
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 8: woman named Alisa Keller who was thirty eight years old.

1590
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 8: So these three girls were like in their twenties. Alisa Keller,

1591
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 8: thirty eight years old, was murdered. They didn't figure out

1592
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 8: it was the same person because East San Diego, like whatever,

1593
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 8: she was murdered, she lived with in the apartment with

1594
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:26,759
Speaker 8: her daughter.

1595
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:29,919
Speaker 5: They didn't figure it out. Blah blah blah.

1596
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 8: Okay, fast forward, so that's four people right fast forward

1597
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 8: to September. So in the meantime, he was brtalarizing people

1598
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 8: and stalking people but.

1599
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,799
Speaker 5: Not doing anything whatever.

1600
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 8: So September thirteenth, Thursday, I get a fucking phone call

1601
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 8: from my other best friend's mom that says you need

1602
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 8: to sit down. Amber was killed, And I'm like, what

1603
01:23:59,439 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 8: when do you talk?

1604
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 2: So?

1605
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 8: Amber and I had been friends for a long time

1606
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 8: and we had this like standing date that we would

1607
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 8: talk Mondays and Thursdays. It was kind of stupid whatever.

1608
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 8: We were young, and I had been calling her all

1609
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,839
Speaker 8: day because I had that kind of weird feeling. But anyway,

1610
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,799
Speaker 8: so I was told she was killed, and they obviously

1611
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 8: knew that it was the same because of whatever.

1612
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 5: So is this making sense? Yeah?

1613
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I'm just like, I'm sorry. I

1614
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 2: just to let you know, just to let you know.

1615
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 2: As a live performer of almost twenty years, I've never

1616
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 2: heard an audience this quite in my life, like this is.

1617
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 2: They just want you to they want they want you

1618
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: to share what you have to say, and they trust

1619
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: you and they love you.

1620
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're good.

1621
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 8: Yeah not a million years, I know, great, million years. Okay,

1622
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 8: So I get the phone call and it was it's

1623
01:24:55,920 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 8: actually actually interesting. Sorry hi, Because at the time it

1624
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 8: was a police investigation. They weren't releasing any names. And

1625
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 8: at the time my friend stepped down. Stepdad said, no,

1626
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 8: you can't. We have to tell these people, these girls,

1627
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 8: me and some two other people that you know, we

1628
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 8: can't find out from the news.

1629
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1630
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 5: So we were told blah blah blah.

1631
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 8: My best friend Amber and her mom Pamela Clark, who

1632
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 8: was eighteen and pam was forty two, killed in their

1633
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 8: home by him.

1634
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 5: Oh my god, six people San Diego.

1635
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 8: So then fast forward, we didn't know what the fuck

1636
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 8: was going on, who it was. We knew that they

1637
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 8: that he stalked as victims. February nineteen ninety one, he

1638
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 8: was arrested in San diego, then let go, and then

1639
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 8: he went back to where he was from. He was

1640
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 8: originally from Alabama.

1641
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 3: Wait, sorry, why was he let go?

1642
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 8: Probably bail. I'm not really sure what happened. I don't know,

1643
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 8: I don't know. But he was arrested and then let go,

1644
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 8: and then he was able to go back to Alabama.

1645
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 2: So they probably couldn't hold him on anything like they

1646
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 2: didn't exactly, so he went home exactly.

1647
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 8: So then they figured out from DNA at that point

1648
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 8: that he was like the guy, you know what I mean?

1649
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 3: And then did they go and get him. They extradited

1650
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 3: him back.

1651
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, they had the whole trial and then he was

1652
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 8: convicted on all six plus rape because he raped one

1653
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 8: of the girls.

1654
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and plus.

1655
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 8: Like a ship ton of burglaries and all this little

1656
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 8: fucking shit that he did.

1657
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 3: So he's gone for good, they always said him.

1658
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, so he's there still breathing air that belongs to

1659
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 8: all those women that he killed.

1660
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 3: So thank you for telling me. So thank you you guys.

1661
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 3: Amazing and hard.

1662
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 2: It's one thing to tell a hometown story about a

1663
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 2: murder because it happened in your town. It's a totally

1664
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 2: different thing to tell something that happened in your heart.

1665
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 3: That's fucking very difficult. You did a great job. Thank

1666
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 3: you for sharing that.

1667
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 2: And it means a lot to us to know that

1668
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 2: somebody who is so close to the grief and pain

1669
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 2: of a victim would listen to our podcast.

1670
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 3: Does that mean we only want to do right?

1671
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 2: We know that comedy can be very irreverent and inappropriate

1672
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 2: sometimes when we're talking about victims, but we never want

1673
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 2: anyone to feel like that's what we're laughing at. We're

1674
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 2: just laughing about talking to each other. So it means

1675
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:29,759
Speaker 2: a lot to us that you listen to our podcast.

1676
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 3: Thank you, Sony, Thank you beautiful. She just goes beautiful.

1677
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: That sounded sarcastic when you said it, but I meant it.

1678
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 3: No, it seemed like you meant it. Wait were you

1679
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 3: being sarcastic?

1680
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 2: Yes, oh okay, we're back.

1681
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 3: Are there any updates on this hometown?

1682
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: No updates, cleofus. Prince Junior remains on death row at

1683
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 1: San Quentin. And how brave Laurie to come up on

1684
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 1: stage and tell that story. I mean, yeah, what incredible.

1685
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: It's so incredible that like she trusted us and our audience.

1686
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 1: Of course, because she knew she could tell.

1687
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 3: Them, and she knew who was in the room with her. Yeah, yeah, it.

1688
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 1: Was pretty beautiful. It's really that's like the special moments

1689
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: of the show where people who are like, here's my trauma,

1690
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: let's share it.

1691
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, they know they can. Yeah, okay, so let's hear

1692
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 3: the titles.

1693
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 2: We, of course, originally entitled this show Live at the

1694
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 2: Balboa Theater in San Diego, but based on the show

1695
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 2: you just heard naming it today, we could call it

1696
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 2: watch the fingers Georgia yelling at me about the pre show.

1697
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: Gas lamping me in the gaslight.

1698
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 3: Oh dear, that's like a poem. Buffalo chicken pudding, delicious.

1699
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: Let's see what about g and Carla Rosette d I

1700
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: love her. Yeah, swinging with aliens. There's so many, so many,

1701
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: go one more.

1702
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 2: One of your classic wordplay is the two fos.

1703
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 5: So many good ones.

1704
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's it for rewind. Thanks for listening, guys.

1705
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 3: That's right.

1706
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 2: Let us say goodbye to you now from twenty eighteen

1707
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 2: in San Diego. You guys, this has been a fucking

1708
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:22,719
Speaker 2: incredible show.

1709
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for being here.

1710
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 2: It's very You're such a huge crowd and You've been

1711
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 2: so awesome and then also so incredibly respectful and play

1712
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: that was really beautiful and a really cool thing to see,

1713
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:39,520
Speaker 2: an incredible.

1714
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 3: Feel, and you know what, stay sexy and bye you guys.

1715
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,600
Speaker 1: Elvis, do you want a cookie