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Speaker 1: Welcome to pod meets Twirled, the Dancing with the Stars

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Speaker 1: recap hosted by two guys who can't dance, don't want

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Speaker 1: to dance, and have now seen eight episodes of Dancing

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Speaker 1: with the Stars. But since our best friend Danielle joined

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Speaker 1: the cast for season thirty four, we're going all in.

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Speaker 1: We are Wilfred, Ellen, Ryder Strong aka the two dudes

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Speaker 1: standing next to Topanga aka daniel Fishal's backup aka the Daniyettes.

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Speaker 1: How you doing well?

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Speaker 2: I'm sad, Daniyet Ryder, how are you pretty? Said too, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll get more into that on our official

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Speaker 2: recap regular recap, But I'm it was a blue day.

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Speaker 2: It was a melancholy day. He has very little pleas

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Speaker 2: in my day to day, is what.

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Speaker 1: I would say. Yeah, normally there's a lot of pleas.

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Speaker 2: There's a jive, there's an occasional foxtrot, and today was

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Speaker 2: a life without dance. It's like a life without color.

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Speaker 1: Well, today we're gonna be interviewing Sharna Burgess. Sharna Burgess

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Speaker 1: is an Australian ballroom dancer who is best known for

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Speaker 1: being a pro on Dancing with the Stars. She is

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Speaker 1: the winner of season twenty seven with her celebrity partner

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Speaker 1: Bobby Bones. She has also been a judge on the

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Speaker 1: Australian version of the show since twenty nineteen. She has

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Speaker 1: been on fourteen seasons of Dancing with the Stars, but

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Speaker 1: has only won once. Some of her previous partners included

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Speaker 1: Nick Carter, Antonio Brown, and her now fiance who she

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Speaker 1: met on the show, Brian Austin Green. Sharna has her

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Speaker 1: own mini series on the Danielle with Feed Sharna Burgess

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Speaker 1: in the Fourth Chair, where she breaks down every dance

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Speaker 1: after each week's show. You can listen every Thursday at

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Speaker 1: six am Pacific Standard time. Please welcome to Podmates Tworld.

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Speaker 1: Sharna Burgess.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, you don't look like Yeah, it's not Brian Green.

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Speaker 1: Your name says Brian Green. We expected Brian. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what's going on here.

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Speaker 3: It's currently fixing our Christmas tree.

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Speaker 4: Nice.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're so glad to have you. You are, for me,

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Speaker 1: the first pro that I've spoken to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Field, privileged, amazing.

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Speaker 1: We began Dancing with the Stars journey having no clue

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Speaker 1: what the show was, how it worked, and we still

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Speaker 1: don't really know. We're just kind of figuring it out

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Speaker 1: as we go along.

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Speaker 3: So what do you feel you've learned waiting when do they.

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Speaker 2: Hand out the roses? Yeah, okay, yeah, we've learned a lot.

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Speaker 2: I mean one of the things I've learned is that

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Speaker 2: the judging seems to be completely and totally arbitrary. That

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Speaker 2: it's just week zero's in week one actually mean five.

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Speaker 2: In week two it means six, in week three it

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Speaker 2: means seven. So if you get an eight now it's

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Speaker 2: like you might as well have gotten So, yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: learning as we go.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's sort of listen, you kind of get that

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Speaker 5: every season. You know, there's no real rubric for it.

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Speaker 5: It's the judges have their opinions. It is subjective to

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Speaker 5: their opinion what they're watching on the night. As a

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Speaker 5: judge and someone that does it in Australia, there have

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Speaker 5: been times when I've judged and thought I've seen everything

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Speaker 5: and the judge next to me will say something.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, holy crap, how did I miss that?

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Speaker 5: Because as a judge, you're trying to watch everything all

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Speaker 5: at once, the technique, the footwork, did they miss anything up?

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Speaker 3: But did they misshand connections?

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Speaker 5: The styling, the personality, like all of it and sometimes

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Speaker 5: your eyeballs can't be in all.

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Speaker 3: The places at the one time, and so sometimes you

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Speaker 3: just miss stuff. Man, it happens human error.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you said you said you're human, which

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Speaker 2: is obviously we all are. But as a judge, do

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Speaker 2: you have your favorites? I mean, do you try not

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Speaker 2: to be like, Wow, I love this person, I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to judge them as harshly as I am this

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Speaker 2: other person who.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I just don't like, Like, say, if someone becomes

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Speaker 1: your fiance to judge, I think that might.

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Speaker 3: Be a conflict of interest.

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Speaker 5: But you know, as a judge, look, we all start

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Speaker 5: on even playing field right at the start of the season,

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Speaker 5: so you're kind of removed from it. You've done your

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Speaker 5: research on who's on the show, but unless you actually

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Speaker 3: Is the same.

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Speaker 5: But then, yeah, you know, it's not that you get biased,

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Speaker 5: and it's a lot harder to be so objective sometimes

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Speaker 5: you have to step back and go, Okay, it's not

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Speaker 5: my job to judge on how I feel. That's the audience.

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Speaker 5: That's why there is an audience vote. It is my

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Speaker 5: job to purely judge the dancing. Now, that does mean

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Speaker 5: performance and how it made me feel, because that's dance,

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Speaker 5: but it very much also means the technical aspect of

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Speaker 3: But again, they're all human.

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Speaker 5: You have to pull yourself back sometime and be Okay,

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Speaker 5: I loved the story, but I can't give Andy a ten.

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Speaker 5: I love Andy, but I can't give Andy a ten.

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Speaker 3: You know, does all the.

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Speaker 5: Flavor flavor felt every time?

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Speaker 2: Every single time? Yeah? So, I mean how much interaction

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Speaker 5: Just see them at the show. Judges don't have an interaction.

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Speaker 5: I like to as I've never experienced it here. You

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Speaker 5: might sometimes catch them for thirty seconds at the end

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Speaker 5: we just won't seeing those things in the packages unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: but they don't have interaction when I judge in Australia,

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Speaker 5: because I've known the pro dancers for such a long time,

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Speaker 5: sometimes I'll come down at the end of the show

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Speaker 5: but I didn't get to dive into this because you know,

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Speaker 5: then maybe they're trying to keep that separation so they

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Speaker 5: don't get biased, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Well, so you started as a prow What season did

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Speaker 5: Ah, it was twenty eleven. It was season thirteen.

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Speaker 2: My god, this show has truly been on forever. It's

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious, how did you come into being a pro?

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Speaker 1: How was it? Did you know what you were getting into?

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Speaker 1: What was how was the job pitched to you?

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Speaker 5: The show had been around for a while, and so

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Speaker 5: I was I had already shifted from being a competitive

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Speaker 3: And I loved this show.

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Speaker 5: I absolutely loved what it was doing for ballroom dancing,

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Speaker 5: I would be in there assisting and helping the pros

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Speaker 2: That was like that I did a show with Andy.

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Speaker 2: You never know what you're in for. That was a

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Speaker 5: It was, and it was also beautiful at the same

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Speaker 2: Was there a reputation in the dance community. I mean,

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Speaker 3: So both ways?

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Speaker 3: It cannot be, you know.

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Speaker 5: We dedicate our entire lives to just a simple rumble walk,

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Speaker 3: It is dances across the board of every.

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Speaker 5: they're like hybrids of everything. They can tumble and flip

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Speaker 5: I bended and broke.

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Speaker 3: I bent and all of those rules like it was.

443
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Speaker 5: I loved breaking them and taking risks because I always

444
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 5: loved that style and that kind of energy, and I

445
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 5: would value the crowd pleasing public vote over that one

446
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 5: point that I was going to lose from the judge.

447
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Speaker 5: It was strategic whether I thought we could take that

448
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Speaker 5: risk or not, you know. And then I also didn't

449
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Speaker 5: want to look like I was taking the piss out

450
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 5: of the rules, so I would again choose when to

451
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Speaker 5: take the risks or not. But as a judge, what

452
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,159
Speaker 5: makes it easier for me to judge and to be

453
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Speaker 5: fair and to be consistent is rules. And it's only

454
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Speaker 5: fair to consist to contestants that they have the same

455
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 5: rules and they can then choose.

456
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Speaker 3: To break them right.

457
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Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the things that Cheryl mentioned when

458
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Speaker 2: she was the guest judge, Cheryl Burke because this is

459
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Speaker 2: the first time rider or night, because we talked about

460
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Speaker 2: it on our show that we'd ever heard what you

461
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 2: just said, breaking the hold, Yeah, and we were wondering

462
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Speaker 2: does that mean ever because they started side by side,

463
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 2: so are they already breaking the hold? Then if they're

464
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 2: dancing side by side or is it the second you

465
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,400
Speaker 2: then touch each other, you're not allowed to then break away.

466
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Speaker 5: The second basically, so if you have there are some

467
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Speaker 5: dances that we've taken on the American Smooth Rules, which

468
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Speaker 5: is where you can open hold and do all different

469
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Speaker 5: sorts of frames. And then there are a couple dances,

470
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Speaker 5: be it tango and quick step where we have the

471
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Speaker 5: traditional international rules where one to take up frame you

472
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,199
Speaker 5: are in frame, so you can generally on Dancing with

473
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 5: the stars, get away with it was around a fifteen

474
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 5: to twenty second intro of some sort of flourished to

475
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 5: get into it, and then you have yourself an ending

476
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Speaker 5: of whatever five to ten seconds, however long it goes for.

477
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Speaker 5: But once you are in frame, you are supposed to

478
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 5: stay in frame, and that means both sides being.

479
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 3: Connected, not letting go of one and doing a little twelve.

480
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 5: That's like both sides being connected, and so we are

481
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Speaker 5: not necessarily seeing that anymore.

482
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Speaker 3: And so it's interesting. Maybe it's evolved, And I was.

483
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Speaker 2: Just gonna say, is that evolution or is that breaking

484
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Speaker 2: the rules?

485
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, evolution.

486
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know what the rules are going in

487
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess if the rules don't up. Bliss

488
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 2: is again where I find the judging to be very arbitrary,

489
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: where it's like if the rules don't apply to anybody,

490
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 2: it's fine, But if the rules apply to some people

491
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: and not to others that's not okay totally. So then

492
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Speaker 2: I guess that's where it becomes a question of it's like, Okay,

493
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Speaker 2: what are we doing here because this person did this,

494
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: this person did that, one of them is an eight

495
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: and one of them is a ten. How are we

496
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: as people watching this show supposed to know what the

497
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 2: hell just happened? And then it's what you said too,

498
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: where it's like, then the judges and this is this

499
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: is you know, a detriment to them where they're not

500
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 2: really given any opportunity to explain themselves. So it's like

501
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 2: you got twenty five seconds to say, I love you,

502
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: you're great, here's an eight, and then you can't explain

503
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: why you really gave that score, so you're kind of

504
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 2: just thrown to the they're thrown to the wolves as well. Yeah,

505
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 2: and we've been guilty of it as well. We called

506
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Speaker 2: out Carrie in for what it seemed like was something

507
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: we even said it's probably not personal. It seemed like

508
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 2: it was because you get a snippet of something that

509
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: happens and then you're on to the next So yeah,

510
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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's how do you how do

511
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: you then, with the evolution of the dance. How do

512
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 2: you then formalize the rules so that they are followed

513
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: by everyone? Is that even a possibility anymore?

514
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 3: I think it's a.

515
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Speaker 5: Good question, and maybe it's something that the show will

516
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 5: look at and refresh, because I certainly think fans are

517
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 5: calling for it. People and we have new viewers like

518
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 5: yourselves that are like, wait a second.

519
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 3: What does all this mean?

520
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 5: But then we have the old school viewers that are like, well,

521
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 5: these were the rules, but it's kind of a bit

522
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 5: weird now, and I'm not so sure, but they have

523
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 5: a bit more of an understanding of it. I think

524
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Speaker 5: we just need to go back to clarify, you know,

525
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Speaker 5: like where do we sit. Are we wiping the don't

526
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 5: break hold thing? Because cool, but let's just put it

527
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 5: across the board and be super clear. But I think

528
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Speaker 5: what you're also seeing too is while this is evolving

529
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 5: and changing and people are taking risks. Some people like

530
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Speaker 5: there was one week it was Gleb and Ilaria and

531
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Speaker 5: they broke hold and they did a quick step and

532
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Speaker 5: you're not supposed to and that Derek said something about

533
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 5: not enough in hold and whatnot.

534
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Speaker 3: To be fair, he didn't say that you broke hold.

535
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 5: He just said there wasn't enough of it, and then

536
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 5: someone else did a dance where there was a lot

537
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Speaker 5: of broken hold but didn't get pulled up.

538
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: I think it was the way Gleb's dance was structured.

539
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 5: It was so obvious that there was so little of

540
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 5: the content in frame that it really stuck out so

541
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Speaker 5: much that Derek felt called to talk on it. But

542
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Speaker 5: the other one maybe a little bit more on went

543
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 5: in and out. I think while it's blurry, it just

544
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 5: it was a moment where it really stuck out for

545
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 5: Derek and he's like, oh wait, that doesn't feel like

546
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 5: enough in hold.

547
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: I didn't get what I needed. But again, it doesn't

548
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 3: make it right. It's still blurry. It's not clear for everyone, and.

549
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 5: I would love moving forward for them to like hash

550
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 5: it out a little, like, what are our new rules?

551
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 3: Cool, let's have new rules.

552
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 5: Let's let it evolve, but let's have new rules so

553
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 5: we know what it is for everybody. Or throw them

554
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 5: all out the window, say no rules and just go

555
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 5: for how much you love it and was there technique

556
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 5: in it?

557
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Speaker 4: You know? Yeah?

558
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Speaker 2: See that's cool.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned uh having a strategy, which seems like so

579
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: essential to this. You know, it's something that when we

580
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: our first answer with the Stars, we were actually there

581
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: for the first episode of the season and got to

582
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: see it live and you know, Robert Irwin came out

583
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: and just like blew the house out and brushed it. Afterwards,

584
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: we started talking to people and they were like, well,

585
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: strategy wise, you might have might have come out too hot,

586
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, And we were like, what what is That's

587
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: a thing? So do you have like an overall when

588
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: you like, in general, do you go into a season

589
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: being like, we gotta we gotta show that we can

590
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: do traditional dances for the first couple of weeks and

591
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: then break the Do you have like an overall strategy

592
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: or is it just based on who you're dancing.

593
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 5: With, Based on who you're dancing with, knowing their strengths

594
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 5: and weaknesses, planning out which dances you want to save

595
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 5: because they'll be better at them and you want to

596
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 5: save them for later down the line.

597
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 3: That's definitely in the strategy. Back in my back in

598
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: my day. Wow, when I was competing, that felt weird

599
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: to say.

600
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't even contemporary at the time. Yeah, yeah, there

601
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: was none.

602
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 1: We never did it.

603
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 5: We did I was in that time, but we would

604
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 5: have we would be able to really tailor their journeys

605
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 5: a little bit more. Sometimes with all the theme weeks,

606
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 5: you're not so sure, how to like I think plan

607
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 5: that out, but we would have most memorable year and

608
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 5: you know, like dedication, So you would want to get

609
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 5: to know your celebrity, know those stories and know how

610
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 5: to bring those things out just to give the audience

611
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 5: a little bit more every week that they wanted to

612
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 5: come back for, right, And so there's a strategy. But yes,

613
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 5: it's different for everyone, but in those persons, that person's

614
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 5: response to Robert, I don't know, man, his natural arc

615
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 5: that he's now had because he came out so strong

616
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 5: and everyone was like, holy, he's so good, and then

617
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 5: he had a moment where it fell right and it

618
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 5: lulled and everyone's like, oh no, But remember he's not

619
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 5: really a dancer. He's never done this before. He wrestles

620
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 5: crocodiles for a living. And now he's blowing it out

621
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 5: of the water again. Like that arc and that momentum

622
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 5: that Kerry and just commented on is actually phenomenal to

623
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 5: shoot him all the way to the mirror ball, especially

624
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 5: because like Joey won last season, right, and it was

625
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 5: the same similar thing with him.

626
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: He's not a dancer.

627
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 5: He's good enough that he can fool you that he's

628
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: a dancer, but he has enough awkwardness and imperfection to

629
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 5: remind you that he's not that every week. He's this

630
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 5: from the ground up, unlike someone who's a Whitney, which

631
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 5: people tend to have lots of thoughts and opinions on the.

632
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: Fact that she is a trying to dance.

633
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: She's a professional. It's two professionals that are dancing together.

634
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 3: Sure, but it doesn't mean she's gonna win.

635
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: No, But I think that's it that's gonna end up

636
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: being a detriment frankly, because I think people that's why

637
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: Andy's still there is because I look at her. I'm

638
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: sure she's a lovely human being. I obviously have nothing

639
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: against her personally, but I was show I don't neither

640
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: do I. But at the same time, you know, I

641
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 2: was watching with my parents, and I've seen two episodes

642
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: with my parents, and both times my parents are like, so, wait,

643
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: which one is the pro? Like they literally they don't

644
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: they can't tell the difference. They don't know which one

645
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: is the pro. And that's why I think shows like

646
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: so you think he can dance and a stuff? Again,

647
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: nobody wants to watch American Idol. Well, I take that back.

648
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: People obviously like watching her and they're voting for her.

649
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: But I'll say for myself, I don't want to watch

650
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: American Idol and see the person who's getting there really

651
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: far has already had a record contractact kind of does

652
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: it beats the purpose of the show for me? Yeah,

653
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: But this brings me to an interesting kind of series

654
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: of questions about your celebrity that you get when you

655
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: first find out who's coming on the show. Do you

656
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: get a whole list of people that are coming on

657
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: the show and you yet don't know who you're partnered with,

658
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: and you're kind of like, Ooh, I wish I was

659
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 2: this person, or I wish I was it, and then

660
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: they hand you someone and you're like, or or is

661
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: it kind of like you don't know the other people

662
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: coming on the show and they just go, you're with

663
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: Andy Dick this year, And then you go, because I

664
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 2: know Andy, But it's a whole different thing.

665
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 5: Ye different, It's different, right, No one gets a list, right,

666
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 5: You don't get to say, we're all checking the media

667
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 5: releases and seeing what's been leaked, just the same as

668
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 5: anyone else. There were a few key moments where I

669
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 5: was brought in and they said, Hey, this is who

670
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 5: I have for you, and one of those was Andy Dick.

671
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 5: For two reasons, it was my first season being promoted

672
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 5: to PRO and also of a do you.

673
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: Know who Andy is? Do you know his history?

674
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 5: Like, we want to make sure you're okay going into

675
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 5: this kind of a situation because who knows what my

676
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 5: life has been like up to that point, right, So

677
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: that sensitivity is really appreciated. But no, no PRO really

678
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 5: gets the full disclosure. You walk into that room and

679
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 5: you meet your celebrity for the first time, and me

680
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 5: being Australian by the way, nine times out of ten,

681
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, no.

682
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: They are ye, no idea they are.

683
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: The only one I knew.

684
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 5: That I fangirled over was Nick Carter because I had

685
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 5: no idea. They flew me back from Australia early. They

686
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 5: would not tell me because they were so excited. And

687
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 5: I went to this sound stage to meet my partner.

688
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 5: I was like, what's going on here?

689
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: I had no idea, no idea who it could be.

690
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 5: And I see the cameras are on me and I

691
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: see Nick Carter walking down the hallway and I was like, Oh,

692
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 5: Nick Carter is here.

693
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: That's so cool. I had no idea. He was walking

694
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: directly towards me old and.

695
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 5: The more he got to me, the more I blushed,

696
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 5: the more I turned into the ten year old that

697
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 5: had like his posters on.

698
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 3: My bedroom walls. And I was like, I fanned. I've

699
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: never fann.

700
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: God.

701
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: I was like my partner like I couldn't even get

702
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: my words out.

703
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: Wow.

704
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 5: And then I told him about the posters that were

705
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 5: on my bedroom wall. So that was really embarrassing. But like,

706
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 5: you don't ever actually know who's going to be in

707
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 5: the room, and unless there is a very specific reason,

708
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 5: they've had to check in with you about it.

709
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: And are you jealous of other pros and some of

710
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: their celebrities? Are you looking over going like oh man,

711
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: what I could have done with that guy?

712
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: Sure?

713
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, let's be real.

714
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 5: We're all competitors, we all love each other, we're absolutely family,

715
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 5: but everyone wants to win. We literally came from a

716
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 5: competitive life that we dedicated ourselves to. I was going

717
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 5: to be a world champion.

718
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: That was my dream.

719
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 5: I left Australia at eighteen years old to move to

720
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 5: London to be a world champion. I am a competitor

721
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 5: by nature, so it's impossible for me to get into

722
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 5: a season and not be like, Damn, I wish I

723
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 5: had that guy.

724
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: That would be fun.

725
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 5: But I've also had some of my most unbelievable seasons

726
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 5: with people that weren't the dancers, that weren't the ringers.

727
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: You get to learn.

728
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 5: After a time of being on the show, it's not

729
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 5: actually about how good they are.

730
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: You're going to be in a fake marriage.

731
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 5: With this person for three months, so it's a simulated marriage. Basically,

732
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 5: you're going to go through everything, ups and downs. You'll

733
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 5: be each other's shoulder to cry on, therapist's best friend, everything,

734
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 5: and you want a person that you can actually get

735
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 5: through that with. And sometimes it's not about it being

736
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 5: the greatest, but you can also go all the way

737
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 5: to the end. Again example, Andy, I won with Bobby Bones.

738
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 5: You know, I had a double amputee one time that

739
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 5: I danced with and I walked in, But I didn't.

740
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: Walk in going oh my god.

741
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 5: No, I walked in so excited for the opportunity to

742
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 5: give him dance because I understood the game at that point.

743
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 5: I understood it wasn't about me, it was about that person.

744
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 5: And Wow, what a gift that season was for me

745
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 5: to be able to I remember him walking, he would

746
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 5: walk more confidently and better on his prosthetic than he

747
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: had ever and he'd been a double amputee for years,

748
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 5: And that kind of stuff makes me emotional, like what

749
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 5: dance can bring to a person. And so yeah, I

750
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 5: think some people maybe still get those things because they

751
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: really want to win. But I think I loved it

752
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 5: for the journey and the storytelling. I was always a storyteller.

753
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 5: That was always my favorite part of it. Anyway, So yeah,

754
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 5: I guess, of course I'm a competitor, but if you

755
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 5: understand the gig, then you don't really get those issues.

756
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: And so you's the one with Bobby Bones. I know

757
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: nothing about any of this, but I've been told that

758
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: he was basically that he was basically the Andy Richter

759
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: of his Yes season. So did you ever think you

760
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: would win that year? Were there moments are like how

761
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: did what was that process?

762
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 5: Like?

763
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: When did you realize like, oh, we got a shot?

764
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 4: Dude?

765
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 5: Never they carded us a mirrorble and I still didn't

766
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 5: think we had a shot.

767
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: I was like, what do you mean?

768
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: Wow?

769
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 5: We joked we were like we were going to get

770
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 5: a mirror ble tattoo if we won, because we never

771
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 5: thought I ended up having. I got the word mirrorble

772
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 5: tatt because I was like, well he said it to

773
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 5: all of his fan base. I you know, every week

774
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 5: when we went through, we were shook that it was happening,

775
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 5: and we were exhausted by the way. Because Bobby worked

776
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 5: his butt off and he did all the overtime. It

777
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 5: was also exhausting for both of us traveling Nashville to LA.

778
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 5: He was putting in the hours and the work and

779
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 5: he loved every single moment of it. But it was

780
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 5: I honestly hadn't prepped the following week because I was like,

781
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 5: this is the week we're gonna go home.

782
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: It's been so nice, you know, we're friends for life.

783
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 3: And then they were like safe, Bobby and Shana.

784
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 5: I was like, what do you mean, I've got to

785
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 5: do a passidopeay, Like it was just it was a

786
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 5: thing we've gone to the finale.

787
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: I had no freestyle prepared.

788
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't know, you haven't seen a

789
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 5: freestyle yet. It is the big moment where the couple

790
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 5: gets to do whatever they want.

791
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: They throw a budget at it. You get to do

792
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 3: all the things and I was like.

793
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 5: I, and you're usually prepping that for weeks because you

794
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 5: know you've got a shot.

795
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 3: I had no things, guys. I don't have a song.

796
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: I didn't have no idea what I was going to do.

797
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: It probably made it better because you were just rolling

798
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: with it and just in the moment.

799
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 3: Oh, it ended up being for not he did three

800
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 3: steps and the whole thing.

801
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 5: But if you ever go back and watch it, Bobby Bones,

802
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 5: we did the Greatest Showman.

803
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: And it was a show piece.

804
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 5: You know, I had him narrate the first part of it,

805
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 5: like it was phenomenal. It was fun, but it was shocking.

806
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 5: I never ever had a clue, and it was really

807
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 5: the first time with someone like that one. You know,

808
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 5: we'd had those people in the finals before even getting second.

809
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: There was a baseball player David.

810
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 5: Ross, who was wonderful and lovable, but and he got

811
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 5: second and I think someone that could really dance one.

812
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 5: It was the first win of its kind and it

813
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 5: really ruffled a lot of feathers too.

814
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: But the truth is, it's what the show is about.

815
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask is because I

816
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: did not know who he was either. But obviously we've

817
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: done a bit of research and it seemed like there

818
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: was some ruffled feathers. So the question is, as the

819
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: pro are you more proud of taking somebody like that

820
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: to the finals or are you more proud of taking

821
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: somebody who has some dance talent and going to the finals.

822
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: That's a really interesting question. That's an angle I've never

823
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: been asked, you know.

824
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: I think the Bobby specific situation came with a lot

825
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 5: of complicated stuff For me.

826
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 3: I was incredibly proud at.

827
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 5: The time, and then when I saw all the hate

828
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 5: that I was getting and that we broke the show

829
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 5: and there was a lot of stuff involved with that,

830
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 5: that was a bit yucky to process for a while,

831
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 5: but now incredibly proud. I just did we did our job,

832
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 5: We did it to the absolute best of our ability,

833
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 5: and we got there and we did what the show

834
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 5: is about.

835
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: So absolute.

836
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 5: As much pride as I have in the Nick Carter

837
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 5: season and that any other great season that I have,

838
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 5: I created some amazing work with Bobby for what he

839
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 5: was capable of, and super proud of it. But certainly

840
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 5: there's nothing quite like when you have someone that can

841
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 5: really do some stuff and you get to look back

842
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 5: at that work and be like wow, because also in

843
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 5: those seasons I get to dance even to my fullestability.

844
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 5: With someone like Bobby, my technique is out the window.

845
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: I am dance. I'm making sure he is getting what

846
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 3: he needs.

847
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 5: Don't look at me that. When I've got someone like

848
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 5: a James Hinchcliff or a Nick Carter, I can dance

849
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 5: my own off.

850
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 3: So yeah, I can. I can go back and watch

851
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 3: those performances.

852
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 5: I did a fully blindfolded Argentine tango with one of

853
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 5: my partners because and he was an indie car driver,

854
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 5: a race car driver that just freakishly was amazing at dance.

855
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 5: And he was one that learned by the way through

856
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 5: the at the physics of dance because of his background

857
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 5: in race cars.

858
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: And driving and momentum.

859
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 5: We would be talking about percentages of weight and centrifugal

860
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: force and all sorts of things that he needs.

861
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: Crazy right, wow, But anyway I can be.

862
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 5: I look back at some of that work in that

863
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 5: season and it's I think some of the stuff I'm

864
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 5: the most proud of him and Nick Carter as far

865
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 5: as creativity. But then I look at Bobby Bones, I'm like,

866
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 5: I worked myself, so did he?

867
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: We created some amazing stuff.

868
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: Did you now One of the things we're seeing that

869
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: with Emma, we notice that there's during the dance, she's

870
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: essentially talking to Andy the whole time. Oh yeah, So

871
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: is that.

872
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: What it's like?

873
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: I mean, are you literally like and don't forget move

874
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: your feet and hands out this way? And is it

875
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean, are you kind of walking them through the

876
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: dance as well?

877
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: All of it?

878
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 5: Yes, all of the above. Not everyone you have to

879
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 5: do that with. But she is reciting.

880
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: And so what you learn throughout your rehearsal of the

881
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: week is you have your own dance language.

882
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 5: You have little keywords that you've come up with that

883
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 5: resonated with them.

884
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: That makes sense.

885
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: You know.

886
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 5: One of my things in a frame was palm tree.

887
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 5: It was a visual It was a thing that made

888
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 5: sense to people in the shaping.

889
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: They were supposed to make.

890
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 5: You're counting them in five, six, seven, eight, you'll see

891
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 5: a lot of the time. I think for some reason,

892
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 5: it feels like it's more the female because the female

893
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 5: pros that.

894
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: Are doing it.

895
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 5: The males are always in the dominant leading position, so

896
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 5: they can physically the dance is built for them to

897
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 5: physically put the girl where they're meant to be right

898
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 5: unless they're doing a side by side section, But we

899
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 5: are in the passive position, so sometimes it's hard to

900
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 5: back and you are yelling these things to them and

901
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 5: telling them.

902
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: Left right or fine or halms out or whatever it is.

903
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 5: Hell leads, you are like trying to a smile, trying

904
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 5: to like say the things to them that they need

905
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 5: to hear and remember.

906
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: Well, that was another question that we had, was exactly

907
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: what you were saying, because we both had different points

908
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: of view, and both of them I think were right.

909
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: Strangely enough, But do you believe it's harder to be

910
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: a female pro because you have to teach the man

911
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: how to lead? Or is it harder to be the

912
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: male pro because you still get to have the dominant position?

913
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: Which one's more difficult?

914
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 5: I mean, I personally think it's harder being the female

915
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 5: pro because of what we have to teach and teaching

916
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 5: them to lead and teaching them to be a man.

917
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 5: They are the ones that are lifting us, you know,

918
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 5: they are the ones. There's a lot that goes into it.

919
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 5: It's also the job that we have is harder for

920
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 5: dancing with this specifically because room dancing is designed to

921
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 5: show off the woman, right, so we have all the

922
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 5: flourishes and the extra things and the it's not that

923
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 5: we have more complicated footwork, but it's designed to show

924
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 5: us off. So then as the female pro you have

925
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 5: to work really hard for people to not say, oh,

926
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 5: she was dancing around him, when sometimes that is just

927
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 5: just naturally what the choreography is. Right, So we have

928
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: to work really hard to make sure the choreography makes

929
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 5: them shine and specifically put the feature on them in

930
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 5: ways that you don't necessarily always do it in ballroom

931
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 5: dancing because it's much more focused on watching the female.

932
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 3: But it is hard.

933
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 5: It's hard both ways. Look, and it really is a

934
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 5: case by case basis.

935
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: There are some.

936
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 5: Types of female celebrities that have been really hard to teach.

937
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 5: You know, it depends if they have it's all related

938
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 5: to athleticism and body strength and core strength, determination, focus,

939
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 5: they can they handle it.

940
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

941
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 5: Sometimes the men can handle the tough love a little

942
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 5: bit more than the women can, so then the men

943
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 5: have to sow from their style of teaching. We all

944
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 5: have things that we have to deal with going in,

945
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 5: whether it's for male or female celebrities, but I think

946
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 5: in a physical sense of what we have to teach.

947
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: And how to get the as much juice out of

948
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: the squeeze? Is that the road saying I think the

949
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: females is something juice out of the I don't know.

950
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyways, is the juice worth the squeeze?

951
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 3: As I think I got the wrong analogy or the

952
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: wrong sec It's perfect.

953
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: It worked, It worked, you evolved the analogy like the

954
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: dance itself evolved, so you all back around.

955
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: It's now a thing.

956
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 5: But if I had to pick, I would say the

957
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 5: female pros have it harder. But I'm a female pro,

958
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 5: so I'm sure any of the male pros would be like, what.

959
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 4: A All right?

960
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: So I'm sure you've talked about this a lot on

961
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: your your own podcast, but I'm really curious if you have,

962
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: if you can present some overall feelings about this season

963
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: in comparison to seasons past, or what makes this season

964
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: unique or interesting in your opinion.

965
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 5: It's funny, I think every season is unique, you know,

966
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 5: because you just simply have different personalities. We have a

967
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 5: very stacked season, and it's not always this stacked, you know,

968
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 5: very few times it's this stacked. Funnily enough, the season

969
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 5: I won with Bobby, it was this stacked.

970
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons why you won.

971
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 5: I think that in a season full of stacked dancing,

972
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 5: where maybe the votes for amazing dancing are split between

973
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 5: and whatever is going on, Bobby was able to come

974
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 5: in with the people that vote for the People's Champion

975
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 5: and took the whole thing home because it was wild

976
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 5: standing there with four other couples that could legitimately.

977
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 3: Dance right, and then we won.

978
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 5: And I think you're looking at something similar this season,

979
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 5: where Andy is, as the judges have said, the heart

980
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 5: of the show, the People's Champion, reminding people with this

981
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 5: experience is about. While everyone else is fighting over who's

982
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 5: got dance experience and the difference of a point between

983
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 5: Alex and Whitney and who whatever. Those votes are now split,

984
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 5: but there is that core chunk of people that love

985
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 5: Dancing with the Stars for the experience and the person

986
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 5: that is the underdog or whatever, and they're all voting

987
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 5: for Andy. Especially now that we sadly lost Danielle. They

988
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 5: are definitely all voting for Andy.

989
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: So were there seasons where Danielle would have made the

990
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: finals or maybe even one.

991
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 3: She's wonderful and talented. She was doing such a great job.

992
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 5: She was just caught up in the middle of a

993
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 5: season where you have it Andy, which is also a

994
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 5: rare personality and character and energy right the way he

995
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 5: captivates that's rare.

996
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: But then you have it stacked on.

997
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 5: The front end with gymnasts and dances and all sorts

998
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 5: of things, and she sadly was left in the middle,

999
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 5: not because she's not talented, not because she wasn't captivating

1000
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 5: on the flare doing a great job, but there was

1001
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 5: just such extremes on either side of her, right, and

1002
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 5: it just made it really really hard for her to

1003
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 5: go all the way. But her Impasha did a phenomenal job,

1004
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 5: you know, and she is also what this experience is about, yeah,

1005
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 5: very much so, and watching her do that, and I

1006
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 5: love that she got to do her last contemporary that

1007
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 5: was an emotional piece for her and she felt how

1008
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 5: cathartic dance can be and she was talking about the

1009
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 5: things that it brought up for her. It's beautiful in

1010
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 5: that way, and Dancing with the Stars is about that too,

1011
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 5: So I love that she got to have that experience

1012
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 5: before she left.

1013
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 3: But it was really sad.

1014
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 5: It's gone so fast, you know where We've got three

1015
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 5: weeks to go.

1016
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: And so it feels too soon to leave her. But

1017
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: I get it.

1018
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 5: We've got three weeks and a stacked cast and it's

1019
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 5: going to go very fast.

1020
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1021
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a couple of quick, rapid fire questions.

1022
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: You can choose not to answer any of these questions,

1023
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: but you have to answer every single one. Okay, which

1024
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: pro has the biggest ego.

1025
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: The biggest ego all of us?

1026
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: All of us really, so it's not just instantly Val?

1027
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 5: No, actually no, So if you knew that Val is

1028
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 5: also incredibly humble. At the same time, if you've got

1029
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 5: any personal time with him, he definitely has that New

1030
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 5: Yorker like thing about him that is just all up

1031
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 5: there and you feel that it's one hundred per ego,

1032
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 5: but he's not. He's also he's got to get a

1033
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 5: lot of humility to himself as well.

1034
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: Okay, how much does the amazing amount of social media

1035
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: that has been surrounding this show lately affect the judging?

1036
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 5: Oh, the judging is very interesting and it's hard to

1037
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 5: answer that because this unbelievable amount of social media is

1038
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 5: very new in the last couple of years. I think

1039
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 5: everyone is adjusting. I think you can see Derek being

1040
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 5: affected by it and some of the things he's said

1041
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 5: relating to we need more positivity, like I know personally

1042
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 5: some of the dances that I've spoken to in just

1043
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 5: sharing some advice with them on how to like post

1044
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 5: and ghosts and don't look. I think it's affecting everyone

1045
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 5: across the board because it is vicious out there and

1046
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 5: unnecessarily so.

1047
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: And I never had really that in my time. It

1048
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: was Tumblr. I remember seeing blogs of people that hated me,

1049
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 3: but it.

1050
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 5: Wasn't like this and so, and I do believe they

1051
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 5: have someone that is on set to always be there

1052
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 5: for them for them to check in, like some aid.

1053
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 5: Whether that is a counselor I don't know what we

1054
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 5: call that person, but it is. There are resources there

1055
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 5: for people to reach.

1056
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: Out to, mental health professional, maybe something along yet.

1057
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 5: Because it is wild this season, and I imagine that

1058
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 5: it's affecting everybody.

1059
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting to hear the booze when like carry

1060
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: Anne was judging last night and I was like, what

1061
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: is it coming into the room in a way that

1062
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: it didn't before, Like.

1063
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, what's interesting about that is not that booz

1064
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 5: are choreographed or or indicated to happen, but the hype,

1065
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 5: man is very much.

1066
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 3: Like if you love something, love it. If you hate it,

1067
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: do it. Because it's a live audience, we want sound,

1068
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1069
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 5: We want movement where we want things, and so you

1070
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 5: need that in there.

1071
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: But it was never received.

1072
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 5: It almost used to be comical in a way, like

1073
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 5: Len used to get booed all the time. But now

1074
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 5: that booing is crossing over into social media and I

1075
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 5: think we're all getting a little bit more sensitive with.

1076
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 3: It now and like, how are you booing.

1077
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 5: When sometimes Carrie in was the only one on the

1078
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 5: panel at some point trying to say a critique and

1079
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 5: then she's getting booed, But then online.

1080
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: People are like, but the judges aren't saying anything and

1081
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 3: they're giving it a day, Like you can't have it

1082
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: both ways.

1083
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 6: Man.

1084
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 5: It's just getting really intense all around. But I think personally,

1085
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 5: I think we need the booze. It's just they've felt

1086
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 5: a little bit more intentional as than playful lately.

1087
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: It's just there's there's a mean aspect to but it's

1088
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: social media, so that's the way it is, well, it

1089
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: feels like there's a.

1090
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: History behind it, you know, like that That's the thing

1091
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: for me is I was like, I feel like they're

1092
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: responding to what happened last week because they've all whipped

1093
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: each other up into a frenzy. And I'm Charlene hasn't

1094
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: actually said anything yet and they're already booing her. I'm like, well,

1095
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: hold on, like, let's let's hear her out.

1096
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: She literally just says but the exactly, they're just like,

1097
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: at least say something.

1098
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: She's been so judgmental as a judge, I like a judge.

1099
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: Another quick question, is it true in Australia all the

1100
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: spins go in the opposite direction?

1101
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yes, yes, I'm great.

1102
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: And then for me, final quick fire, who's gonna win.

1103
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: My money right now? If I was a betting woman,

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Speaker 3: would be on Robert?

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you don't you don't think you think you

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Speaker 2: think the people will take Andy so far and then

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Speaker 2: they will at the end of the day still vote

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Speaker 2: for somebody who can dance.

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Speaker 5: So the the difference here is that Robert, there is

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Speaker 5: just something about the Irwin family right and there is

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Speaker 5: just something spectacular about that legacy.

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Speaker 3: He is so lovable. It's and he's very good, and.

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Speaker 5: The fact that he is like Steve all Day and

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Speaker 5: in the Skyboxer and then he dances and he puts

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Speaker 5: on this whole other persona.

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Speaker 3: It's it's wild to watch and it's captivating.

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Speaker 5: And I think the fact that he is not a dancer,

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Speaker 5: that he's dancing.

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Speaker 3: Very well, and all the other things around it. My

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Speaker 3: money's on Robert. But I reckon we might say Andy

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Speaker 3: in the final, well, he's gonna have to prepare themselves.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, they're gonna have to do something.

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Speaker 2: But you, I mean, you obviously live here now. But

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Speaker 2: are you getting vibes from back in Australia what it's

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Speaker 2: like watching him go this far on the show?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I yeah, I live here now, so oh no,

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just wondering if you're hearing from back home

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Speaker 2: like how amaze? Like oh my god, he's Australia's champion.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, they don't actually get it in Australia. It

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Speaker 5: doesn't air in Australia. Australia is the Australia one. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, So it's not like Love Island where there's

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Speaker 2: thirty seven different versions you could watch. Oh okay, amazing, wow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, our Australian Dancing with the Stars is in like

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Speaker 5: one hundred and something territories, and so Dancing with the

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Speaker 5: Stars in Australia only as Dancing with the Stars of Australia,

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Speaker 5: the UK only as the UK one. So but I

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Speaker 5: do have people over there, of course that would try

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Speaker 5: and like get their VPNs and what to watch it,

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Speaker 5: especially when I was on it, and I would say

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Speaker 5: that Australia is youtubing the heck out of it because

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Speaker 5: of Robert and very very excited.

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Speaker 3: He's on all the local news channels.

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Speaker 5: They are all very very excited about Robert potentially winning it,

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Speaker 5: just like his sister Bindi did. So yeah, they're tuning in,

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Speaker 5: but it doesn't actually air over there.

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Speaker 1: Crazy wow man. Well, Charna, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: answering all of our questions. Welcome showing us a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about Dancing with the Stars. This is this

1151
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Speaker 1: has been quite a journey and even though Danielle's off,

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Speaker 1: we're not finished yet. We're gonna keep We're gonna keep.

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Speaker 3: Going, all right. I love that. We'll enjoy you guys,

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Speaker 3: and maybe we'll do this again.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes sez, thank you so much by everyone.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's incredible. Yes, there's so much, so many questions

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Speaker 2: we had she was able to answer. First of all,

1158
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 2: though I do have to say the accent both. She's

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00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: from the Jersey total crap but knowledgeable, which is nice.

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Speaker 1: Man. I would never want to be a pro. I

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00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: would love to be a judge, Like I feel like

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00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: being a judge is actually pretty fun. But the idea

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00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: of like putting all of that effort creatively physically and

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00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: then really just kind of being the unsung hero. No thanks,

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Speaker 1: no thanks.

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Speaker 2: It's not just that, but it's exactly what she said.

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00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: She's right. They all come from such competitive backgrounds that, right,

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Speaker 2: there are times they I'm sure, walk in and see

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00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: their pro and are like ah man, But then I

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00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: have to imagine they also know the show well enough

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00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 2: to go like, Okay, the story's there, right, we could

1172
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: go far with this and they will progress as Dan.

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Speaker 2: I mean, say what you want about Andy, and there's

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00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: plenty of people saying plenty of things, but he has

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00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: gotten better from the first week to now. Yeah, And

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Speaker 2: if that's what the show is about, then he's what

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Speaker 2: the show is about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's I know, but like you said it best,

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Speaker 1: I think a couple episodes ago where you were like,

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Speaker 1: is it hair when you have people who are really

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00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, who are learning how to dance and doing

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00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: something so much more than he is, frankly capable of

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00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: getting eliminated, you know. And I felt it with Danielle

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Speaker 1: last night.

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00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's still there and our best friend is

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00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 2: gone and she's worked her off and I'm not saying

1187
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: he hasn't. No, it was a different level. It's just

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00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: a different level. And it's one of those things where, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's such a weird thing, but it's it's almost the

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00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: flip side of the popularity contests you grew up with

1191
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: in high school, where the football player who wasn't qualified

1192
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form to actually be president

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00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: of the class was voting in president overwhelmingly to be

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Speaker 2: president of the class. It feels a little bit like that.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think Sharna put it best when she said that

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00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: this season and like it sounds like the Bobby Bone

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Speaker 1: season for her, was that it was too extreme in

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Speaker 1: both directions, do you know what I mean? It's sort

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00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: of like the show should be either or the show

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00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: should either be anybody can learn to dance, Let's root

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00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: for people based on their progress, or the show is

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00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: a real dancing competition, let's, you know, vote them based

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00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: on quality of actual dancing. And I think, unfortunately this

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00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: season is sort of split between those two and people

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00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: like Danielle who are really progressing and kind of be

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00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: able to do both right, have a personal story, be

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00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: somebody who never danced before. I mean, she's just losing

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00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: out and that's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too bad. Strangely enough, having only seen the

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Speaker 2: eight episodes, I do think this show from a production

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00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: standpoint needs a retool. It does it needs to What

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00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 2: is this show right now? Is it a professional kind

1214
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: of dance thing where you're trying to find the next

1215
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 2: great professional dancer. Or is it let's take people who

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00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: can't dance and teach them how to dance.

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Speaker 1: You know what it would you know what it would take.

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00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: I think that the answer is either a complete judge reset,

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00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: like completely new panel of judges, or ask the judges

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Speaker 1: episode one to explain their criterion.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?

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00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: Each of them said, here's what I'm judging on for

1223
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Speaker 1: this entire season, and I'm not going to change my

1224
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: opinion as we go, because just letting it be their

1225
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: personalities without them presenting like here's the things I think

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00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: the show is, Here's what I'm going to be judging

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00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: based on. We're just sort of like left to assume

1228
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Speaker 1: those things. But if they clearly stated this is my

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00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: thesis statement coming in, I'm a judge who is going

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00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: to care about X, then we could be like, okay,

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00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: and they could be different, right, they could have different

1232
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: but as but right now we're just sort of left

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Speaker 1: to be like and that's you know, on the show's producers.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe to make that a little clearer from

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Speaker 1: the outset of the season, like Derek is this type

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Speaker 1: of judge, Carryon's coming with this, Bruno's going to be

1237
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: the fun you know, whatever it is. They just come with,

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00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: like I'm going to be judging based on this, and

1239
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, because like what was Flavor Flav doing?

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Speaker 2: You know, like it's just because he was rock and

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00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 2: roll Hall of Fame, but he had.

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Speaker 1: But that's also that could be reflected in all the

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00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: judges for a certain extent. You're just like, oh, okay,

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00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: I guess we're just going to listen to this person, right,

1245
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: So it'd be nice to have a little clarity on

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00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: that front.

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Speaker 2: I think I think that's a great idea, even levels

1248
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: I don't if you, I mean, how do you say

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00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 2: that it's but it's weird? Then you throw in somebody

1250
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 2: like Andy or I guess Bobby Bones, who again neither

1251
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: of us know anything about, but and he they throw

1252
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: a wrench into the system where when you say, but,

1253
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: come on, this person is a professional dancer basically, and

1254
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, but these people are winning or they're

1255
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: being voted through every week. So isn't that kind of

1256
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: showing what the show can do. It's such it's infuriating

1257
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: at times, it really is infuriating, And then you're right,

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Speaker 2: I see Andy, who you like and who his story

1259
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: is great, and you're really I'm watching enjoying watching him,

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00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 2: and he's lovable and likable. And my best friend who

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Speaker 2: worked off, who was clearly the better dancer, is no

1262
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 2: longer there, and so it's kind of like, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, it's it's infuriating, but we're here for the journey.

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Speaker 1: All right. That's it for this episode of Pod Meets Twirled.

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Speaker 1: Join us next episode as we continue watching season thirty

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