1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: A note to the listener. The following story contains some 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: adult content and language. Welcome back to the podcast. Full disclosure. 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Before we get started, I want you to know that 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: there's a lot of ground to cover in this episode, 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: a lot of history, and I promise it's all necessary, necessary, 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: because Marlene Marie Evans was a real person, not just 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 1: a body found in a parking lot. So I hope 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: you enjoy getting to know her as much as I did. 9 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: I already answered the detective's questions when they went through 10 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: all of the things. I'm just following up to see 11 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: if there's anything that cops may missed. They've pretty thorough. 12 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: Please Glass, Yeah, all right, but I gotta make it brief. 13 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: All I can tell you is what I know, all right. 14 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: She was a sweetheart, a bit of a neat freak, 15 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: always funcks him with her hair. When she first moved in. 16 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: She was a Shylottle brunette girl who loved ile of Lucy. 17 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: She would never miss a Monday Night. She got the 18 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: biggest kick out of the little cartoon Lucy and Daisy. 19 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: Before every episode you two together a line, No, I 20 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: mean day. She was at the doctor's office at the 21 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: jewelry counter bullocks. But you had to come home at 22 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: some point. You're telling me you didn't see your roommate 23 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: except for Monday's No, not really. Why is that she 24 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in her room. When I 25 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: asked her what she was always doing in there, she said, 26 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: reading plays and practicing addiction and stuff like that. Six 27 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: nights a week. Even Jane Mansfield took a night off 28 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: from diction. Look, I don't know what to tell you, 29 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: a buddy, glad don't look over there. There's no one 30 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: over there. Why aren't you telling me, Gladys, nothing looked 31 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: me in the eyes. Nothing looked me in the eyes. 32 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: And tell me that Marlene were part time at a 33 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: doctor's office during the day and was home every night 34 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: in her room, but you never saw each other. She 35 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: didn't want a parents to know what. She didn't want 36 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: her parents to know. Didn't want her parents to know what, Gladys. 37 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: She started working knights as a cocktail waitress where Cereos, 38 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: Cereals Jazz joined up on Sunset. Yeah, I know what 39 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: Cereos is. It's a pretty swank nightclub. She got it 40 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: in the head. Will someone got it in her head? 41 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: That if she started sling and drink, she'd have a 42 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: better chance of getting discovered by some real high role 43 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: is her words, not mine. I mean I told her 44 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: she'd have to go to Vegas for those. I think 45 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: she meant big wigs, as if some producer was going 46 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: to see this cocktail waitress as the next Marilyn Monroe 47 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: and put her on the cover of Life the next day. 48 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: And around one was that, I don't know a few 49 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: months before maybe do you ever mention any trouble there, 50 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: anyone she had any problems with? But, like I said, 51 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: passing ships, which was fine, I was tired of hearing 52 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: all about Hollywood talk all the time. You may be 53 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: in the wrong town for that. I just part of 54 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: me felt bad for her. How do you mean? Look, 55 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to degrade this poor girl. God rest 56 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: the soul. I'm just pointing out she was pretty, but 57 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: nothing remarkable. And the way she went on and on 58 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: about what was filming and when she was going to 59 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: get a big break enough that the star was born nonsense. 60 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I wish you would just have settled down 61 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: with it. A nice doctor that's real stability, not not 62 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: the one she worked with. Obviously, but when was the 63 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: last time you saw her? Two days before they found her, 64 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: my girlfriend, Sylvia was moving back to Michigan with her 65 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: fiance Berry, and stopped over to say goodbye before they 66 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: hit the road. After that, I went to work, and 67 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: I assumed that's where Marlene was going, because she said 68 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: she was working that evening She said she was working, yeah, 69 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: And the morning after that I had the early shift, 70 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: so I assume she was still in a room when 71 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: I left. Any of this helping. I'm not in trouble, 72 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: am I she she didn't want to parents tonight. No trouble. 73 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for your help. Hey, how can we not 74 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: bringing any of this down? I got a photographic memory. 75 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: Well that's it. You're real, sweetheart. Gladys. You're welcome from 76 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: Vot's Popula and the Los Angeles. Harold, this is the 77 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: Angel of fine ainking in no ground, because my Angels. 78 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: There's a small town in southern Idaho between the Snake 79 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: River and the Albion Mountains with no noticeable connection to Hollywood. 80 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: A sign on the edge of town reads Burley, a 81 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: great place to live. The population of Burley has hovered 82 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: around ten thousand for many years now, but back in 83 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: the fifties it was just over half of that Interstate 84 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: eighty four had yet to be built, so the highway 85 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: ran right through main Street, making Burley quite the thoroughfare 86 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: for travelers needing rest. On a stretch equivalent to two 87 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: city blocks, you had your choice of four restaurants, the 88 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: Oregon Trail Cafe, Boyd's, Nelson's, or the Sportsman's Cafe. There 89 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: was the National Hotel, in Bank, the Idaho Bank and Trust, 90 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: right across the street, a thrift way drug store, a Texico, 91 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: and at the center of it all the Burly Theater, 92 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: an old vaudeville house built in seventeen and later converted 93 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: to accommodate a screen and projector. There was a perfect 94 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: little town that wrapped most evenings up by nine o'clock 95 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: seven o'clock on Sundays. But if you had grandiose fantasies 96 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: of fame and fortune, or desired the kind of glamours 97 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: shown on the silver screen, Burley might not keep you 98 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: as entertained as it did the majority of its residence. 99 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: So as soon as Marlene Marie Nudson was old enough, 100 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: she bought a one way bus ticket out of her 101 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: bustling hometown. She headed to Hollywood, California, to make her 102 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: dreams come true as Marlene Marie Evans and while you 103 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: can take the Girl out of Burley. When the detective 104 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: searched Marlene's apartment, what they found stuck in the mirror 105 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: of her vanity was a photograph of a sea of 106 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: people outside of her hometown theater. The caption read in 107 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: celebration of Shirley Temple's birthday circa nineteen thirty six. Perhaps 108 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: she dreamt that one day all those people would be 109 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: standing on Main Street celebrating her. There's only one way 110 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: to keep warm, stripped down to your painting suit, that is, 111 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: if you're a girl. Our first story takes us to Idaho. 112 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: Who we are fifty beautiful girls up for the title 113 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: of Miss flash Bull. Let's see what develops in this 114 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: photographer's holiday. Here are the ten best. Marlene was one 115 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: of the ten finalists for Miss Flashbulb. She won a 116 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: very small trophy, but hey, a trophy is a trophy, right, 117 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: I've never won a trophy and she got to keep 118 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: the Catalina swimsuits she wore during the pageant that was 119 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: the only contest entry of hers that I could find, 120 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: but that's certainly not because there were a shortage of 121 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: them in Boca Raton, Florida, a bevy of beauties out 122 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: for the title of Miss Bicycle of nineteen fifty two, 123 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: one of the snappiest titles of the century. Later that summer, 124 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: the very first Miss Universe took place in Long Beach, California. 125 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: I don't know whether or not the excitement of that 126 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: event played a role in her decision making process, but 127 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: the following year, Marlene headed west. I found this clip 128 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: at u c l A's Film and television archive, but 129 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: at this point it's got to be somewhere on the 130 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: internet before we carry on with a program. How about 131 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: some Harrington? Why yes, I love some Harrington. There really 132 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: is more flavor and every spiritful. And remember, with Father's 133 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: Day just around the corner, wouldn't it be nice to 134 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: surprise Dad this Sunday morning with a cup of rich, 135 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: smooth Harrington instant coffee. That was Marlene's first professional acting gig, 136 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: a live sponsor ad during the Dewey Bowers Review Hour. 137 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: She turns to camera during the jingle, lift the cup 138 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: to her mouth and then with eyes and a smile 139 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: as wide as the lens. She delivers her line. I'm 140 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: sure it's a little cheesy, but it was the nine fifties, 141 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: the era of ah Chucks and Gee Whizz. And what 142 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: you notice about Marlene immediately was that she wasn't the 143 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 1: girl next door type. She was very simply put a 144 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: girl from next door, not play by any strap, but 145 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: definitely more of a Merry Anne than a Ginger and 146 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: she was a perfect fit. This clip was dug up 147 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: by the press from the vaults of Classic Pictures shortly 148 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: after Marlene's death. It's her screen test for a small 149 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: role in the nture Aimless Lute and Bally. Who can 150 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: you take a few steps forward for me? Um without 151 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: your hand in your pockets? Right there? Okay, fell us? 152 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: Your name and are you're reading for? My name is 153 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: Marley Marie Evans. I'm five ft six and I'm reading 154 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: for the role of Lady Babcock. And where are you from? 155 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: Marley Early? I'd hill tell me one thing you love 156 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: about Early? Oh there are so many things. Just one 157 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: is fun? Okay. Well, my my mother she used to 158 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: take me to Nelson's, her friend, and Net was the 159 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: piano player in the lounge. There we used to sit 160 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: and listen to ant A Gershwin for what seemed like ours. 161 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: It's wonderful was my mother's favorite? Was that enough? Perfect? 162 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: Whenever you're ready, Pardons to start the scene. Oh, of course, 163 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I couldn't believe his character. I couldn't. 164 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe his behavior. Yes, dear, I thought that 165 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: it was absolutely dreadful, Yes, dear dreadful. Charles. Are you 166 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: listening to a word I'm saying? I don't understand why 167 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: we make the drive out here every summer? Great? Please 168 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: thoughts your name again? Marlene Marie Evans. Marlene didn't get 169 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: the role in Vali Who, but she did land her 170 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: first on screen role in another of classics movies called 171 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: Broadway Tangle. She has two lines as a department store 172 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: sales girl regarding the price of a child's kaleidoscope, opposite 173 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: the film's lead Geane Hagen. Now I'm not going to 174 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: go into the entirety of Marlene's resume here. I'm simply 175 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: trying to paint a picture for you. So many Hollywood 176 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: hopeful as actors and actresses arrived every day by the 177 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: bus load, literally to make their mark to this day. 178 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: They still do, but where so few actually make it. 179 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: Marlene was already working. I'm not saying that from a 180 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: few lines in a commercial and two speaking lines in 181 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: a little known romantic comedy. Marlene was destined for stardom, 182 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: but she was working. She was doing exactly what she 183 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: came to Hollywood to do, and at the very least, 184 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: she had a promising future one cut tragically short. It's 185 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: just crazy to think that she would have does. She'd 186 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: be all but forgotten if not for your grandfather. Well, 187 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: we hope, yeah, hopefully. Yeah. I have a lot of 188 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: listening to do. This bottle of blue label was extremely 189 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: generous of you. No, no, no, not at all. I please, 190 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: I was I was taught to never show up anywhere 191 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: empty handed. Thank you. No, I didn't. I didn't mean 192 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: yet open it now, I not. I think it's the 193 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: perfect way to mark the moment. I'm not gonna argue 194 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: with you. Thanks. So, do you have any early memories 195 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: of your family? Good ones? No, they don't have to 196 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: be No, No I do. Uh. He used to read 197 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: me three little kittens, remember that? Oh the candy dish 198 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: so in between the club chairs, which I wasn't supposed 199 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: to touch. But come on, who leaves an unattended candy 200 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: dish in a house with kids? That was my favorite 201 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: thing about visiting Gigi. See, I clearly remember the recorder. 202 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: Oh interesting. So so he didn't buy them any phone 203 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: once he became a private investigator. Oh no, he always 204 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: had it. I remember pressing the buttons and speaking into it, 205 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: and then he would play it back, and I thought 206 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: it was funny that my voice was coming out of it. 207 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: And sometimes I'd see him talking into it, and I'd 208 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: sit in one of the club chairs across the room 209 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: and listen. Oh god, those club chairs were the ugliest color, 210 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: color of puke. Oh they'd be worth a fortune. Now. 211 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: G was ahead of our time. He used to record himself. 212 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: He had his wingback leather chair in the corner on 213 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: the front room where he'd sit when he read the paper. 214 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: These rituals of Hanks were some of my favorite moments 215 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: on his tapes. As I began listening, I expected to 216 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: hear this. I don't know, Sam Spade, Humphrey Bogart type 217 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: serves me right for watching too many movies. Instead, though, 218 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: I found a cop who loved to read poetry. If 219 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: you're up against the bruiser and you're getting knocked about. 220 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: Grin if you're feeling pretty groggy and your lick beyond 221 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: a doubt. Rn. I remember his police uniform. The squad 222 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: car was a big deal. Anytime the squad car showed up, 223 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: it was like Christmas. He would surprise us during a 224 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: shift and he would put me in the driver's seat 225 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: and put his hat on my head and let me 226 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: turn on the lights. Don't let him see your funking. 227 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: Let him know with every clout, though your face is 228 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: battered to a pulpe, your blooming heart is stout. Just 229 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: stand upon your pins until the beggar knocks you out 230 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: and grin. But most of what I know about him 231 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: is from my mother. Such as he loved being a cop. 232 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: Nothing made him happier. He would have done it for free. 233 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: It was all he used to talk about. But but, but, 234 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: and as happy as it would make him. She was 235 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: never happy about the fact that he was a cop. 236 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say never happy, but it clearly didn't help 237 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: their marriage. M Was it the hours and the danger. No, 238 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: not the danger, not on the job anyway, and that 239 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: was the fifties. The danger was that he would have 240 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: won too many with the boys after work, stay out 241 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: all night, hitting on the girls in dispatch. She was 242 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: a mother of two. That was enough stress on its own, 243 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: and it only got worse when he started his own agency. 244 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: No red tape, no partner, no set hours, no one 245 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: to answer to about that. Um. How much do you 246 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: know about the circumstances that led to him leaving the 247 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: l a p D. I know some, but this is 248 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: more her department. I found all of the newspaper clippings 249 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: he kept. Wow, So this is what the papers said. 250 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: And there are a couple of names to remember to 251 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: understand exactly what went down. First, the Honorable Benton Francis Hughes. 252 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: He was a judge in the Los Angeles Superior Court 253 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: at the time Hank was on the police force. The 254 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: other is Benton's son, Forrest Hughes. Forrest was attending Dartmouth 255 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: majoring in finance with a minor in Russian, probably two 256 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: hits off his father. Anyway, the the short of it is, 257 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: Forrest was home for a break during the summer. Hank 258 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: comes across a drunken forest one night while he's off 259 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: duty outside the King Eddie Saloon. Apparently he'd beat the 260 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: crap out of Forest, broke his jaw, fractured his eye 261 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: socket for no apparent reason. Right, But mom, Hank's best friend, Ed, 262 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: a fellow cop, was with Hank that night, and that's 263 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: not in the paper. No, it's not. They said Hank 264 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: acted alone. My mother said, my father swore that he 265 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: and Ed saved a girl that night. He and Ed 266 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: came out of the ball are and took the alley. 267 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: They heard a struggle and found this guy trying to 268 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: force himself on a young woman. But there's also no 269 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: mention of a girl anywhere in the clippings. Just off 270 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: duty cop assaults judge's son and no word. Nope. A 271 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: little background on ed Hess. At that time, Ed was 272 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: one of less than sixty black officers in the l A. 273 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: P D. It's no question that he faced racism, both 274 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: from those he did his best to protect and serve 275 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: and also under a police chief who at that time 276 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: made certain that any officer of color faced almost impossible 277 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: odds when it came to being promoted. While he's not 278 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: in the report from the following tape, I do know 279 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: that Ed was there that night, and my best guess 280 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: is that if Ed was in an off duty altercation. 281 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: It would have been exponentially worse for him than for Hank. 282 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: Thank you. This is a big help. I want to 283 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: know exactly who I'm dealing with here. The last thing 284 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: I need is to track this guy down to find 285 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: out he's a gun runner for the mob. No, no, no, 286 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing like that on his rap sheet. In a 287 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: couple of beanies talking us orderly, and you got to 288 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: get along the way. Hey, you know something? You got 289 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: funnier money, still breathing down your neck? Hell, I wish 290 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,959 Speaker 1: How do you mean there's nobody around me? I had 291 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: four walls and in box and a filing cabinet. It 292 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: sounds like my office. You got windows, of course they 293 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: have windows. And then it's not like your office. And 294 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: he luck with the girl nothing, she's a ghost. Damn 295 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: should have stayed. What are you gonna do? Walker bruised 296 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: white girl into my hospital. I had my back and 297 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: two whiskeys. I had no problem inmitting my part in it. 298 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: It wouldn't have changed the thing. Still a judge's kid, 299 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: Still a judge's kid. Hell. He wasn't even at the 300 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: station long enough to make a damn phone call. A 301 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: little ship you know death duties bad. The only time 302 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: outside has been with you. I could always use the 303 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: company on a steak out if you missed me so much, sweetheart, 304 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: No thanks, I need my pension. Damn. I'm sorry. Man. 305 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: He relax, and I know you didn't mean nothing by it. 306 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what. Give me that apology again, 307 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: but this time louder. For the record. I don't understand 308 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: why you can't just write it down like the rest 309 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: of us. That you can't write down the background noise 310 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: of the way a person stutters or pauses, and you 311 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: can't write down how somebody sounds like a liar. Why 312 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: would I lie to you? Not you? It's just easier 313 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: for me. Yet I can't explain it. Yeah, because you 314 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: made a life of ship. What if I just really 315 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: love the sound of your beautiful voice and just stupid. 316 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: After I finished my first visit with Beth and Phillis 317 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: and returned to Los Angeles, I went to one of 318 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: the herald sources of the L A. T. D. To 319 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: see if they could find anything regarding Hank's dismissal with 320 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: the pulled was his personnel file. As it turns out, 321 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: Hank Briggs wasn't fired. Hank Briggs chose to resign from 322 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: the l a p D instead of putting his future 323 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: in the hands of a disciplinary committee of speers. Had 324 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: they decided to remove him from the force, and let's 325 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: be honest, there was a Superior Court judge hanging over 326 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: this whole thing, he would have been fired. Had that happened, 327 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: Hank would have lost his ability to be a licensed 328 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: private detective. So by resigning, he basically took a plea 329 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: deal that allowed him to keep doing what he loved. 330 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: He had this artist c for camera. I never even 331 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: heard of Argus before, but apparently it was affordable and 332 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: had a quick learning curve. This was his business card, 333 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: serving Los Angeles in strict Confidence, which he later changed 334 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: to serving Hollywood in strict confidence. He kept clippings of 335 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: certain cases. There's corporate embezzlement, one about an exoneration involving 336 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: a witness. The prosecution was hiding drugs being dealta a 337 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: studio A lot. I mean, all all these cases, but 338 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: he's not mentioned in any of them. Ah, but that 339 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't exactly have been serving in strict confidence. But it's 340 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: never mind. I answered my own question. So the Briggs 341 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: Detective Agency was born, and Hank Briggs wasn't a company more. 342 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: And because he was no longer a cop, there was 343 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: an entire world of information and new methods of collecting 344 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: that information now available to him, especially in some of 345 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: the cedier areas of Los Angeles is underbelly where even 346 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: a reliable informant never told the police everything they knew. 347 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: And let's not forget that Hank also had ed offering 348 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: him help when he was able to. It would seem 349 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: that it was the best of both worlds. Really, except 350 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: for one detail. Hank wasn't a company. Moore m artists 351 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: It okay, this is the document the maiden voyage of 352 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: the s. S. Briggs makes. She float m There's nothing 353 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: gained by whining, and you're not that kind of stuff. 354 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: You're a fighter from a way back, and you won't 355 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 1: take a rebuff. Your trouble is that you don't know 356 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: when you have had enough, don't give in. If fates 357 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: you down, you just get up and take another cuff. 358 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: You may bank on it that there is no philosophy 359 00:22:44,680 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: like bluff and grin. 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