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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling. Railvalry.

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Speaker 3: No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth, revelry.

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Speaker 2: That's good. Oliver Hudson here rocking a mustache. Huh. I

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Speaker 2: like it. And I don't even know why I like it.

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Speaker 2: I think it gives me a little edge, a little

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Speaker 2: sense of danger, you know, a little sort of dirty

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Speaker 2: sex appeal. And I never purposely shave a mustache, meaning

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Speaker 2: it's not something that you know, I go. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do a mustache, and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: really figure this out. It's more of when I shave

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Speaker 2: my beard, which I just let grow and then I

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Speaker 2: don't like and I get lazy and I just let

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Speaker 2: it grow and I just then I shave everything, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, I'm going to try out

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Speaker 2: this mustache, and then I try it out. I'm like

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Speaker 2: hell yeah, and then I shower, and then I get

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Speaker 2: to a shower, and my wife and my daughter are

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Speaker 2: like no, especially my daughter. She goes, Daddy, no, go back.

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Speaker 2: In the bathroom and shave your mustache. She hates it,

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Speaker 2: but I say, real, look, this is the sign of

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Speaker 2: a real man. And if you want your daddy to

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Speaker 2: be a real man, then you're going to embrace this mustache.

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Speaker 2: So I've got the stash going. I got grays happening,

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Speaker 2: which is fine, sort of embracing the gray. Anyway, enough

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Speaker 2: about me and my mustache. We have someone in the

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Speaker 2: waiting room, the second person that I've been interviewing from

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Speaker 2: the Hunting Wives, and she has done many, many, many

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Speaker 2: many more things. She was in Scandal. She is just

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Speaker 2: a really amazing actress. And let's get into her life.

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Speaker 2: Let's see if we can make her cry. Let's dig in.

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Speaker 2: Bring on Katie Low's hi. He oh well.

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Speaker 1: Hello, well hello there.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 1: Love good, Louve?

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Speaker 2: How are you very fucking good? I'm oh yeah, my gosh.

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Speaker 2: I have the worst my mouth. I mean, I my kids.

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Speaker 2: I've been cursing in front of my kids since day one.

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Speaker 2: I've drink in front of my kids. I smoke in

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Speaker 2: front of my kids. I have a whole different way

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Speaker 2: of parenting that may or may not work. So far,

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Speaker 2: it seems to be working because my kids are pretty

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Speaker 2: fucking awesome, but we are a bit old school in that, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do me and I'm not gonna anything from you.

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Speaker 1: Love.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't mean that you can just emulate me. This

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Speaker 2: shit is not good for you. But I'm an adult.

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Speaker 1: And I'm making bad choices. My thing is not that

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Speaker 1: cursing is bad choice or drinking.

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Speaker 2: You're spoken, no, no, no, no no, I don't give.

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Speaker 1: A shit, but I tell my kids, I go, you

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Speaker 1: know what sucks is that in our house. I go,

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Speaker 1: if you're over eighteen, you can curse. When you're you

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Speaker 1: can decide what kind of language you want to use.

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Speaker 1: But that's just not today.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: My kid four and seven, and I do that only

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Speaker 1: because I don't want to be I don't want them

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Speaker 1: to be saying fuck in front of four year olds

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Speaker 1: and are allowed to come over and have like a

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Speaker 1: play date.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, I know. I mean that was the risk

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Speaker 2: we took. But for whatever reason, they kind of understood

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Speaker 2: that this is what we do and they can't. I mean,

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Speaker 2: my oldest is eighteen, I've got fifteen, and then I've

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Speaker 2: got twelve.

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Speaker 1: By god, I know, great.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well it's doctor Diamond.

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Speaker 1: So hard, like I just have so much longer to go. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I know, and everyone says and I maybe you feel

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Speaker 1: this way too, but I hear most of the time

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Speaker 1: like just enjoy these times like I know they are.

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Speaker 1: It has gone fast, I will say. I mean the

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Speaker 1: beginning was really slow, but I feel like now I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, he's eight and we're dealing with like

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Speaker 1: second grade and it's already surpassed my math knowledge.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, my gosh, fuck, that's a whole different ballgame

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Speaker 2: with the math, especially where they're in like eighth grade

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Speaker 2: or seventh grade. They're like, Dad, like I need help.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I have no idea, Like thank god for

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Speaker 2: chat GPT at this point, because oh yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what the hell I'm doing when my son. My

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Speaker 2: son is eighteen, so you're getting ready for second grade,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting ready for fucking college. And it's semi devastating.

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Speaker 1: And they're gonna leave and like now you're like, wait,

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Speaker 1: I don't know this is so. I mean I left

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Speaker 1: it's seventeen and never came home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I'm so I.

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Speaker 1: Love my parents, like we're close and.

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Speaker 2: Every's still tight. Oh my god, I just.

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Speaker 1: Talked to my mother before you got on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was like, I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's like one hundred times a day. We're so close.

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Speaker 1: And actually I went to college like eighteen miles from

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Speaker 1: their house, but I still never went home.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, Well that's the thing. Wilder is my old

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Speaker 2: This is Wilder. Wilder is he does not want to

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Speaker 2: stay in California. Of course, we're like, look look at

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Speaker 2: Santa Barbara. This is great. You're only an hour and

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Speaker 2: a half away, you know, And he's like, Dad, I

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Speaker 2: want I want to get out. You know. He either

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Speaker 2: wants to do New York or Colorado. You know, so

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Speaker 2: he's deciding on so great. I know he's deciding on

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Speaker 2: whether like he wants to college experience or this, like

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Speaker 2: yeah right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: The good news I will say is everyone I went

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Speaker 1: to college with because I went to NYU, who was Cali,

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Speaker 1: he wants to go to college in New York City.

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Speaker 1: They all went back home to California. Everyone that stayed

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Speaker 1: in California for college then they had to leave because

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Speaker 1: they they're going to want to leave at some point. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: so I think your odds are better of them coming

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Speaker 1: home and closer to you would be if they go

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Speaker 1: away for college.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. And my entire family, myself, Kate Wyatt, mom, Pa, Boston, all,

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Speaker 2: my whole family lasts ten minutes from each other. Still, Oh,

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Speaker 2: they're coming back, there they are. And I think it's

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Speaker 2: we've just mirrored that, we've set that precedent to where

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Speaker 2: the kids are probably going to be like, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: I kind of want to be home. I like this vibe,

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Speaker 2: you know's that's the wishful thinking.

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Speaker 1: Oh, my brother lives around the corner for me in La.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm like you, I'm so close with my

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah. My brother and I we're two years,

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Speaker 1: nine months of heart and he four minutes from me

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Speaker 1: in the valley, and the only time we didn't live

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Speaker 1: near each other was college. And his two kids are

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Speaker 1: my kids age, so we're only missing my parents. I

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Speaker 1: have to get them out there.

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Speaker 2: Where are your parents?

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Speaker 1: We grew up in New York, born, raised York, and

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Speaker 1: my parents are hippies and moved to Vermont and amazing.

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Speaker 1: My mom's a yoga teacher, my dad's a fashion photographer.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you, their quality of life in

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Speaker 1: Vermont is better in a lot of ways. Than La,

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Speaker 1: only because they canoe and kayak and do all this

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Speaker 1: outdoorsy shit. However, their four grandchildren are in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, before we get into all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: They do they grow their own weed.

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Speaker 1: They don't, but they partake, and all their friends do.

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Speaker 2: Vermont. I don't think you can live in that state

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Speaker 2: without I guess a blazer.

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Speaker 1: It's the fucking best. They don't grow it, they smoke it.

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Speaker 1: My dad, not so much, my mom, but my you know,

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Speaker 1: we all as and I don't know how you could

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Speaker 1: do it in your family, but we had spent kind

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Speaker 1: of old school New York. We always drank with my parents,

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Speaker 1: which I thought, well, we always grew up with like

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Speaker 1: a ski house. My parents are really out and just

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Speaker 1: part of the ethos was like they didn't care that

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Speaker 1: we were like seen having a drink with it. They

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Speaker 1: just didn't care.

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Speaker 2: Same, we're the same, we're the same way.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was so great. However, they really we

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Speaker 1: were those kids in high school and college hiding by

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Speaker 1: the window blowing weed out the window for some reason

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Speaker 1: that wasn't allowed. And then on my mom's sixtieth birthday,

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Speaker 1: my brother and I were like, I think we're done.

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Speaker 1: I think we're ready to take our relationship with our

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Speaker 1: parents to the next level and get fucking stoned. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and let's just let it be known that we do this.

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Speaker 1: They've always known we've done it. They do this, We

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Speaker 1: always know they do it. Why is this so? We

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Speaker 1: took my mom to Amsterdam for her birth.

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Speaker 2: Six years Oh my god, And and and.

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Speaker 1: Actually smoked the worst weed in the history of the world.

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Speaker 1: Because when you're in California and you go to answer, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's horrible. Like we were all paranoid. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I felt like I did in college, like just like

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Speaker 1: it was horrible, it was not great. Since then, we've

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Speaker 1: corrected the experience. Yeah, i'ms over and now it's great.

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Speaker 2: That's so fun. It's it's just it's fun. And again,

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Speaker 2: you have to have the right family to be able

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Speaker 2: to do that. You know, it's you know, going back

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Speaker 2: to the kids thing. My philosophy was, let's desensitize these

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Speaker 2: fuckers before they get into the real world, meaning like, no,

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Speaker 2: there's alcohol, there's weed, you can go do things. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to give you your independence. You know, there are

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Speaker 2: certain things that I care about, there are certain things

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Speaker 2: you know that I'm strict about, and it's mostly personality shit,

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Speaker 2: but all the other stuff. The more you hold them

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Speaker 2: back from the vices, from the things that we know

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Speaker 2: they're going to do anyway, the more they're going to

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Speaker 2: want to do them. And I've seen that in real life.

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Speaker 2: You know, where these kids are so deprived of sugar

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Speaker 2: or this or that, and they have such a craving

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Speaker 2: and a ravenous desire to have all of it and consume,

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Speaker 2: consume that. When they finally are eighteen and they finally

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Speaker 2: go to college, it's just like ah, and then they're

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Speaker 2: all fucked up.

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Speaker 1: Carbal Yeah, my son's best friend's mom's a dentist, so

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Speaker 1: they're not allowed any gummy candy. And I constantly open

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Speaker 1: up my pantry and that kid is mainlining like eight

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Speaker 1: packages of Welches. And my kids don't even care about

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Speaker 1: it anymore. The only thing that's going to be tricky

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Speaker 1: is I think my home. We've gotten anywhere near there yet.

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Speaker 1: But my husband and I I think we're going to

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Speaker 1: feel differently. We've been together nineteen years and he grew

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Speaker 1: up in a very strict household house, as you could

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Speaker 1: probably tell, Like my mom rather have all the kids

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Speaker 1: at our place, you know, growing up, Like, I rather

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Speaker 1: have you guys under my roof and I know what's

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Speaker 1: going on.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: And also you know, not now driving doesn't matter because

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Speaker 1: you can. When I grew up, drunk driving was a

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Speaker 1: huge problem. So we have like you know, my dad said,

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Speaker 1: you know, you get three get out of jail free

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Speaker 1: cards in high school. You can call me anytime, day

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Speaker 1: or night. I'll never ask, I'll pick you up. You

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Speaker 1: can be completely iniberated. I will be so proud that

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Speaker 1: you didn't you didn't get in someone's car or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: brain because there's actual physical holes in it, even though

433
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 2: they're not actual holes, but that's what they sort of

434
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: come out as in and I've always kind of known it.

435
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, you have fucking add I'm like,

436
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: I know.

437
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: My husband has really bad I just I just like

438
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: put this patch on.

439
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: I'm starting this weird medication that's like only four and

440
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 2: a half milligrams, just to see if the ship works,

441
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 2: you know, is.

442
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: It like an add or like my he might do

443
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: so well if he could, like my husband's ADHD is yeah,

444
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: not great. But he tried things to help focusing and

445
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: help all of that, and he always has like horrible

446
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: side effects, so he's not on anything. My husband I

447
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: balance each other out because he's like just fucking fall

448
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: ass backwards into like non scheduled day and I'm my god,

449
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: what is that. I've never heard of that.

450
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: I'm like your husband, You're probably like my wife. I'm

451
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 2: the same thing. I hate schedule. I hate plans. I

452
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: fucking hate it. Every plan that we make go even

453
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: a week out. When the day comes around, I'm like,

454
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. And now I'm locked in.

455
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: Oh god, and.

456
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: I've I've done it right. I've established myself amongst my

457
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 2: friends and peers that this is who I am. So

458
00:23:53,800 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: you need to get offended offended bail just because yeah

459
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 2: I want to Yeah, what do you want to do

460
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: some Thursday. I'm like, yeah, maybe, I don't know. It's

461
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: just like we'll figure it out. Like that's gonna be

462
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: on my headstone, We'll figure it out.

463
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 4: It out.

464
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: I have this thing that happened last year. It was

465
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: a mom group that on the West Side that rents

466
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: like a club that only plays nineties and two thousands music.

467
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, like hip hop and yeah and the only women.

468
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: And it starts at six thirty and it's a complete

469
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: wrap by nine.

470
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: Thirty that is amazing and hysterical all the same time.

471
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: It's like mostly moms. Yeah, it's really great because you

472
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: can like put your fucking drink down anywhere. You can

473
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: wear absolute garbage sweatpants. Yeah, like whatever, nobody's just up.

474
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: Nobody has made up, Like nobody tried. I've never been

475
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: at a line at a bar at six thirty with

476
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: just like all tired moms and danced so hard.

477
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, is this is this a place or

478
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: is this something that you do rent out a space.

479
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: They rented out. It's a mom group friends of mine

480
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: that they rented out.

481
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 2: How often does this happen?

482
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: It's like once a year. And it's two nights before

483
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: my birthday this year. And I'm not that big of

484
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: a birthday person either, but what I'm coming from the valley, yeah,

485
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: there on the west side, So I'm getting a party bus.

486
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is so great.

487
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: I'll be home in bed asleep by ten.

488
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: This is so great.

489
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: And it's the best you dance with like old school

490
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: recaband in of like.

491
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: How many women are there?

492
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: Oh, it's probably like three hundred.

493
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: Holy fuck? So this is a this is this like

494
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: a public party that you can go to?

495
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's only like underground like word of mouth.

496
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

497
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: And it was really fun last year, Like each mom

498
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: group there were so many textings like have you heard?

499
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: Have you heard? Like it's happening yeah, and like each

500
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: like this is what the Santa Monica moms did, This

501
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: is what the Valley moms did, This is what the

502
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. I mean, look, it's no one's fancy by

503
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: any stretch. It's like very very down.

504
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: I feel like this needs to be something like either

505
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 2: like a short form documentary or centered around some sort

506
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: of crazy you know, comedy like a like a bridesmaid

507
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 2: style comedy centered around this, like it is fun.

508
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 4: It is fun to like not worry about Yeah, like

509
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 4: no one's worried about their drinks or getting too drunk

510
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 4: told themselves, or like you know, feeling like they have.

511
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: To be like sexy when they dance. I'm not that

512
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: anyone feels that way anyway, but he does change the

513
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: vibe when like there are no dudes there.

514
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, our men and women's just so funny and what

515
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: a different species we actually are. Imagine if I had

516
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: a middle aged, three hundred person dance party for only dudes,

517
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: I mean, just picture the scene it would It would

518
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: not go well. I don't know if anyone would even dance.

519
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: It would just be like, dude, no.

520
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: They feel so uncomfortable. I think they would feel really weird. No,

521
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, like my brother friend and my

522
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: husband loved to dance like there too. Oh at a

523
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: wedding like that. That that gets such a I mean, honestly,

524
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: y'all should try it.

525
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: I used to have a dance crew called the Rice

526
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 2: Crispies Snap Crackling Pop so I was in high school.

527
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: Like I love to dance, like I was like practicing

528
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: in the week. This guy Logic was my coach. I

529
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: was doing floor work and fucking I mean, I was heavy,

530
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: heavy into the nineties hip hop scene.

531
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: We get a revival of snap Crackle pop.

532
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, I think so.

533
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: I mean like hip hop like hip.

534
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: Hop, oh for sure, yes, yeah, I mean it wasn't

535
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: choreography as far as like freestyle White Boy, Pacific Palisades

536
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: dancing you know.

537
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: Wow, Well I think dance is good. I mean I've

538
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: reintroduced dance as a forty year old woman. I go

539
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: to like dance classes now. It's awesome, olda taka just

540
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: like because I honestly, I fucking hate working out and

541
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: that's fun and I like that I have to try

542
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: to remember steps. I feel like that's good.

543
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: Good for your brain. Yeah, I don't know.

544
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: I've sort of feel I don't know, maybe turning forty

545
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: two forty three, like I feel I actually like odd.

546
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: And I think it's from having kids and like raising

547
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: them with my brother and my hu. But like I

548
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: just feel like better about like almost like my body

549
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: and moving than I ever did in my.

550
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: Own Yeah, one hundred percent. My mom. You know, my

551
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: mom's a dancer. That's what she wanted to be, and

552
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: she became Goldie. But like she was a dancer. That's

553
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: what she did, that's what she wanted to do. She

554
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: taught little girls ballet. It's eighteen years old in New

555
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: York City, all by herself. She's got the most amazing

556
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: stories you could possibly imagine of coming up and how

557
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: she made it, and it's unbelievable. My sister was an

558
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: amazing dancer. My daughter right now is on her first

559
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: dance team, so she's dancing like seven days a week

560
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: and she's beautiful, like just a beautiful dancer. Incredible dance

561
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: is great.

562
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: I've like rediscovered it. I'm so into it. I'm like,

563
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: I'll fucking shake it with anybody now. Oh yeah, what

564
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: was weird? I'm on this show right now.

565
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: I know I want to talk to you about it.

566
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: I just had Chrissy on too, you did, yeah, yeah,

567
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, And we've been and my wife and I've

568
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: been watching it. We're like four episodes in. I know

569
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: what goes down though, because I wanted to talk to

570
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: you all about it, like Ryan, yeah, yeah, yeah, because

571
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: I know you're not you don't care about spoilers and shit. Right, Yeah,

572
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: but it is. It's fun, man, it's fun.

573
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: But we danced a lot on that show, a kind

574
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: of dance I'd never done, which was I've never spent

575
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: time in the South never and we went honky tonk

576
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: line dancing most weekends when we were shooting that show.

577
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: There was a bar that's in the first episode called

578
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: Coyote Joe's that's in Charlotte. It's about a five hundred

579
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: person dance floor. Wow, get there from like six to

580
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: eight and you learn the shit and then at eight o'clock,

581
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: like if everyone's going right and you're going left, you're

582
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: getting trampled like crazy. So fun and a type of

583
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: dance I've never I've never been like a girl hat

584
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: bring human being and I just got into it. So

585
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: the whole cast we went time. I didn't really get

586
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: it until I saw the first few episodes and I

587
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, Like you know, I was just

588
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: like out to lunch being my like unhinged self.

589
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: It is so funny.

590
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: I had landed like a pig and shit, Like I

591
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: was like, you know, my mother talks like this, like yeah,

592
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: third generation Queen's like the fact that you know it's hard.

593
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: I think I feel like I book a lot of things.

594
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel this way too, that

595
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: where people are like you are the person or it's

596
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: a version of one hundred percent when someone's going to

597
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: trust you and say like, oh no, no, I want

598
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: you to be a East Texas preacher's wife with ha

599
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: hair and accent and shoot guns and shit. I was

600
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: like me, okay, like that's the best. Like I felt

601
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: like I was like back, so fun, yeah, doing campy

602
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: Like you know, I was a theater nerd. I'm a

603
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: big theater kid and I never even thought I was

604
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: going to move to LA I told my mom. I said,

605
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: I didn't even take driver's at I said, why, I'm

606
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: living in New York City for the rest of my life.

607
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: I'm only doing theater. I'm never ever so when I

608
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: think the show was so fun because we just got

609
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 1: to be like kind of like unapologetically like loud about it. Yeah,

610
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: like that's how it felt when we were in there.

611
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: No, I know I was going to ask you about

612
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: that because for so, you come on the screen. I

613
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: know you from your other work, but I've been watching

614
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: you and you come on I'm like, holy shit, is

615
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: this do I have the right person on right now,

616
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: like buy yeah, you get the New York vibe. You know,

617
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: you're the city girl, like you know, it's funny to see.

618
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: So when you're creating that character and I'm interested in

619
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: this just even as an actor, and you make the

620
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: choice to sort of present this person like that and

621
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: go big right and really be out there. Did you

622
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: were you nervous about that or did you have to

623
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: sort of perform it a little bit and understand sort

624
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 2: of what it was. Did it just come out of you?

625
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: Did you work with creators on saying this is kind

626
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 2: of what I'm vibing on, this is what I'm feeling.

627
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's funny. I I audition for everything,

628
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: like me too, so glad there are actors that get

629
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: like offers and shit. But actually and I actually like

630
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: auditioning because I feel like we've agreed upon in a

631
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: way what my taking on a basic level. When I auditioned,

632
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: I auditioned for a different role Cali, because you know,

633
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: I didn't want to die. Yeah, there's a one year deal.

634
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: This was like our first audition, and so my whole

635
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: team was like, well, you should probably go for the

636
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: one that's like going to be on seasons. So I

637
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: auditioned for Kelli, but I read the pilot and I

638
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: was like, oh fuck, I'm a Jill. I'm a Jill.

639
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: I know I'm a Jill. I could do Jill if

640
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: they let me do it. And they called right after

641
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: and they were like, we really like our Cali, but

642
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: will she retape for Jill? And it sort of took

643
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: I teased my hair. I looked at you know, like

644
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: joel Ostine, like famous creatures, what their wives are like,

645
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: what they dress like, what what you know? You know

646
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: what what a sort of clutching your pearls high or

647
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: the hair closer to God type vibe would be. And

648
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: I just I backed, she's the shit out of my hair.

649
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: I put on the southern accent. I dressed kind of

650
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: primly and like and then I was like I get this.

651
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: And then we were just they they they agreed like

652
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: it was like we were there. Sort of took care

653
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: of itself oddly on I've worked in Shondaland for like

654
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: fifteen years and all the shows I've done there, she's

655
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: word perfect and yeah, that script is Bible.

656
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: You got and that is scary to me. I am

657
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 2: a very free form actor where I liked to improv

658
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 2: or throw shit around or that would be so scary.

659
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: To be like you that is not like I remember

660
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: the first like a few episodes of Scandal, like she

661
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: just was like Shanda was like what you say is

662
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: up to me. How you say it is up to you,

663
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: but like full stop, that's it. And and this was

664
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: the first show I've been on that I can really

665
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: remember where Rebecca, you know, we would get takes that

666
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: were how it like you're saying how it was on

667
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: the page. But a lot of those like hunting wife

668
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: scenes where all the wives are there and we're drinking

669
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Memoia Floody Mary's, and everyone's kind of got their part.

670
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: There's like the one who always says the most brash thing,

671
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: or I'm always like, oh my god, don't say a

672
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: bad word and all and sexy as hell, like everyone's

673
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: got their lane. But yes, but the but the but

674
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: the group energy is bigger than any of one of

675
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: us come by. And we improved the shit out of

676
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: those scenes that it's a living, breathing thing and I'd

677
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: never done that, and I thought it was the best.

678
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: So fun, so fun.

679
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you go into like a fugue state, like

680
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: you're just so like really alive and yeah, and it

681
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: was that really really fun. And I've gotten now to

682
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: do like Scandali guys, but inventing Anna too, Like I've

683
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: done a few shows now where it's a lot of

684
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: like women in scenes and I'm very like, it's just

685
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: a fucking blast, Like it's just like on the dance

686
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: floor in Santa Monica.

687
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: And my birthday exactly with Shonda though, like can you

688
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: say ums or ifs or nothing at all? Like it

689
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: has to be bang bang bang, yeah, And when you does,

690
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: she correct you because I'm sure it happens all the

691
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: time where actors come in and add little things wow,

692
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 2: not improving lines, but it's just saying, uh something like that.

693
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: You know, the script supervisor would come in immediately and

694
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: even like guest stars would know pretty quick like that

695
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: doesn't happen here. Scandal was a specific case because we

696
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: had something called scandal Pace where forty two minute show

697
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: where we had ninety page scripts. So she was like,

698
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: we don't have time. Style of this show is you know?

699
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: She was she was, I mean, you know, she loved

700
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: West Wing, she loves Sorkin, so like ye she was

701
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: going for a vibe where there was no time for

702
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: fumbling words or leaving space to think, like and and

703
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: thank god our casting director, because it's not something that

704
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: all actors thrive in, just like how I wouldn't thrive

705
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: in like always killing amazing improv buttons like that's not

706
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: my jam, Like I I thrived in a really calculated

707
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: script environment like that reminds me of like theater school

708
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: or something. No, they and the casting director did a

709
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: great job because she I think through a lot of

710
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: actors in there, that is that they are good at that. Yeah,

711
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: like the Josh Molinas, the you know the people they

712
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: were like that's what they talk really fast. They don't

713
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: make stuff up. There's no ans or a or none

714
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, then you get it to set where

715
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: that's the skill. And I have to say I was like,

716
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: oh shit, like I muscle, I was like, oh my god,

717
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't like, first of all, I better be saying

718
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: correct things like I don't know come from a place

719
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: of like bless her heart, like that doesn't.

720
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: Roll off MYNDF right right.

721
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: I got a couple of the wives are actually from Texas,

722
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: and I kind of used them dramaturgically, Like I was like,

723
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: what would a preacher's wife like say, like what would

724
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: be things so I can keep them in my arsenal

725
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: of like because I don't you know, you know if

726
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: I was here and I'd be like, you know, you

727
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: motherfucker whatever, like that's fine, but.

728
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: I can't, no, no, weird to break into that.

729
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm like improvising as a preachers.

730
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's so fun.

731
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: Really fun. It was really really fun. We had the

732
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: best time we all lived in Charlotte. It was the

733
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: first time I'd ever left my kids.

734
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: How was that, by the way, because that's such a

735
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: huge part of my career, my life or lack of

736
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: career in some instances, because they played such a big

737
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: part in me working and where I was working and

738
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: how long I was working.

739
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really This was the first time. My

740
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: kids are so young that I've taken them everywhere exactly

741
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: and amazingly have been wildly supported with my previous bosses

742
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: of like helping us find locations for nannies and help

743
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: and my husband coming and that's how we've always rocked it.

744
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: And then this like they everyone told me they're going

745
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: to get in school and you're not gonna be able

746
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: to take them out, and that's you know, like and

747
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: that's sort of what happened. I knew this was a

748
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: finite job. It was four or five months in Charlotte,

749
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: and that Jill was going to die and like, so

750
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: I didn't need to, like and I didn't really want

751
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: to move my family to Charlotte. So this was the time.

752
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: I you know, I did like thirteen round trip flights

753
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 1: in I know, I.

754
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 2: Know, it's so crazy, it's so crazy, but yeah.

755
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: And I had so much anxiety about it and being

756
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: a bad mom and like, oh.

757
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: I had to go back on lexapro after I did Nashville,

758
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 2: or in the middle of doing Nashville. I did Nashville

759
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: show called Nashville in Nashville, And.

760
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 1: If Connie Brittain was Connie, he said, for you did

761
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: I was her babysitter for a while. She's a dear

762
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: friend of mine.

763
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: I fucking love Connie's the best I was supposed to be.

764
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: She was the one I had had every side job.

765
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: I worked at this restaurant called Ammo for years and

766
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: years in years.

767
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I loved the island.

768
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, I'm sure I waited on you and family,

769
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: never used them for catering. I'd probably been in your homes,

770
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: but's so money. I ran their catering department. I catered

771
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: all their weddings. But I also was a waitress there

772
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: for years and years, and I was a babysitter and

773
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: a nanny and a bartender and all the jobs. But

774
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: I always said, I'm never going to be a personal assistant,

775
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: because I just think that's now crossing another line where

776
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: like somebody's life and passions has to sort of be

777
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: more your own. The only person I said I do

778
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: itfore was Connie Britton because she lived up the street,

779
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, she's the best actress in the world,

780
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: and maybe I can learn something and someone will give

781
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: me a shot at this. We met for like three

782
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: or four hours, and she called me a few days

783
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: later and she said, you know, Katie, I was scrolling

784
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: the channels, which we used to do back in the day,

785
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: and I came across you as a guest star on

786
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: Private Practice, and I don't think you should be my

787
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: personal assistant. I think I should try one more pilot season,

788
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: come babysit for me, you know. On like a few

789
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: days a week and let's see what happens. And the

790
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: next week I booked Scandal.

791
00:41:50,880 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: Ah, how old were you when you book Scandal twenty eight?

792
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: And how long were you in LA trying to make

793
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: it happen.

794
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: I moved to LA when I was twenty four, but

795
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: I had already been auditioning in New York since I

796
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: was yeah, twenty, so it took like eight years of

797
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd been acting my whole life, but my

798
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: didn't do it professionally till I was twenty. But then

799
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: I saw the best part was like Nashville was ABC

800
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: and Scanner was ABC, so I always see her out

801
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: on red carpet events and she would just be like

802
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: I knew it, Like you were gonna get a job,

803
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: Like you got a job.

804
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: We're like cool, you love performing. It was just everything

805
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 2: that you wanted.

806
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: My brother was like the sports guy, like he really like,

807
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: you know, lacrosse football, He was in band, and we

808
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: were always really close. I think it helped that we

809
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: were so drastically different, Like he came to all of

810
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: my shows, which got really weird in college because I

811
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: went to Tishchoo the Arts. In every fucking show, we

812
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: were naked and gyrating on each other. And god knows what.

813
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: My nephew is a tisha right now, Katie's Kate. My

814
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 2: son's Kate's kid.

815
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: Oh really, Oh my god.

816
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: And then he has a friend. He has a friend

817
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: who was there too, who was in I don't know

818
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: the schools, but a certain school.

819
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

820
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: And she had to get out because no, because she

821
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: was like, this is too crazy.

822
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: Experimental theater way.

823
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 2: I don't know, but but especially in today's age, there's

824
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: people rolling around in like, you know, furry outfits, like

825
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 2: dragging a litter box behind them, you know, and it's

826
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: just right. She's just like, Okay, I want to be

827
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: an actor. This is not what I need to do.

828
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: Yes, my parents would come and my little brother and

829
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: I went to all of his sport things. People don't

830
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: understand them, but it was understood that you supported your

831
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: other person's past.

832
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: Sure, full stop.

833
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: I think it was helpful that we were really different.

834
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: But in college, I remember I did one play where

835
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: someone like I bare my chest, someone feels them and

836
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: then someone is like masturbating in like a plastic.

837
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: Oh my god, And this is this is what your

838
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 2: brother has to go watch.

839
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: Not only that, but in like a thirty seat black

840
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: box theater where it's not even like a proscenium where

841
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: there's any difference between the audience that and the lights

842
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 1: are on because the audience feel fucking uncomfortable. I will

843
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: have you know. This play is called Beirute. It would

844
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: have en off Broadway. Marisa Tome was in it, so

845
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: it's like legit, Okay. It was directed by Leslie Hedlund,

846
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 1: who has become a She's a big jenixa Bravo, who's

847
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: another like all these people have. But my brother sat

848
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: there turned completely green. My parents were like, we miss

849
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: you doing the musicals, your clothes on. I'm like, I

850
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: am a serious dramatic actress. Yeah, I don't know if

851
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: you knew, but I am an artist. I see wanted

852
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: that and that involves nudity and read ridiculous ridiculous behavior.

853
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: But you know what was important because.

854
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: Well I was going to ask you this, and this

855
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: is leading into that. Did tish going to such a

856
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: revered place? I mean, this is the spot to go? Yeah,

857
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: did it make you a good actor? Did it actually

858
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: make you a good actor or did it just sort

859
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: of like open you up to experiences? You have relationships?

860
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: You know, you met people best four.

861
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: Years of my life. Okay, for all reasons. I think pushing.

862
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: I think tish is what you make of it. I

863
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: think if you are like I sucked that school for

864
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: every more soul I could. I was in a million plays.

865
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: I made a million connections of friends that are still

866
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: my dearest, closest friends today. Started a theater company in

867
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: la eighteen years ago with all my best friends from

868
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: tischco the Arts. We had on Broadway last year. So

869
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: of me, But I am like a like a you know,

870
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: I was very aware of like make the most of it.

871
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: There were a lot of kids that didn't do plays

872
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: or didn't audition for the plays. They just did the

873
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: classes and learned other great things. Like never I'm never

874
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: going to say that an acting education is not something

875
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: that you can use in a lot of different things

876
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: and a lot of different.

877
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 2: Of course, because acting is about experience, you know, it's

878
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: not just about delivering a line. And there's so many

879
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: confidence and exploration and nudity and so much newdy, so

880
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: much nudity.

881
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: But all that exploration was so important because I kind

882
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: of got it done in college and then like when

883
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: I graduated, I wasn't I didn't need to do like

884
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: I was really ready for like professional life, Like I

885
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: felt that sort of explored all those avenues where you're

886
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: like an eighteen to twenty year old artist thinking that

887
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: you are going to change the world with shitty downtown theater.

888
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: Like that was an important part of like me failing,

889
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: I think, or me figuring it out.

890
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's what you put into it, Like

891
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: you said, like all you went all in and you

892
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: got a lot out of it.

893
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: I got so much out of it. I loved it

894
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: so so so much. My best friends are still from there.

895
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 2: Well, I love you started a theater company. That's cool.

896
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: I you know, I've never done a play or been

897
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: on stage doing a play or musical in my life.

898
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: Gone, I'm doing theater with us.

899
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: Well, this is what I'm saying. So there's a part

900
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: of me now that almost turning fifty, where I feel

901
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: like I'm ready because I was so afraid of it.

902
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: I love being in front of people. I love making

903
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: people laugh, you know, I can feed off of that energy.

904
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: The thing that scared me the most was forgetting lines

905
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: and completely looking like an asshole. Like that part to

906
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: me was the most I was most afraid of. But

907
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: I've been talking to my agents even I'm like, I

908
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: know this is crazy, but like I feel like I

909
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: want to do a fucking play and I don't know

910
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: what to play.

911
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: It's the fucking best trying to fucking forget your lines

912
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: because you've never done something that had a four week rehearsal.

913
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: No.

914
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the time you get up there, you are

915
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: good to go. Your shipping backwards and forwards, and it's

916
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: all about fucking around in the mint in like the

917
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: nuances and the wow like it's you. I think you

918
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: would love it because you're really First of all. The

919
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: other most inspiring thing about theater is I went to

920
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: Greece this year.

921
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: For the you were in June, mid June. It was amazed.

922
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: Was like sitting at the theater of Dionysus thirty nine

923
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: hundred year old and you're like, this is stands the

924
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: test of time. Shit, people standing up in the live

925
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: way telling stories and that is like, yeah, there's nothing.

926
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's anything, but I think

927
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: that is the sickest high when you walk off a

928
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: stage and you just.

929
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: It's the oh yeah yeah.

930
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: But also it's the thing about like you're so good

931
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: at like control, like you will be able to feed

932
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: off of laughter and like all that stuff. It's immediate, like.

933
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: Oh god, I love that song.

934
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: You're film and TV where I'm like, did somebody get moved?

935
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: Like because you know, you know in the theater, you

936
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: know when they have palm in their hand and people

937
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: are listening and you go where you know when they've

938
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: sat back. You also know when they've fallen asleep, know

939
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: it all.

940
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 2: I love that stuff though.

941
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: This was such a blast.

942
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: It was so much fun. And don't forget everybody. The

943
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 2: Hunting Wives is streaming on Netflix. If you haven't heard

944
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: of this or seen it yet, then you're way out

945
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: of the loop. You must check it out. It's fun,

946
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: it's dangerous, it's salacious, it's sexy, it's all of the things.

947
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: So much for having me on.

948
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: This was so fun. Thank you for playing around. This

949
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: is the best.

950
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: Time ye Cay bye bye.

951
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: I think she might be my new best friend. She's

952
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: so great. Her energy is so great and it's so

953
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: funny because I've been watching The Hunting Wives and I

954
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: had this idea of who she was and she's so

955
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: done up and her hair is huge and her makeup

956
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: is thick, and then she comes on. I'm like, oh shit,

957
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: very cool, very cool, very cool. And then maybe you

958
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: know what's fun about doing these fucking podcasts is that

959
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: you never know, of course, who you're gonna mean, what

960
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: kind of connection you're gonna have. Let's just hypothetically say

961
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: we do connect and she sends me a play, and

962
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: I audition or whatever. I ended up doing a play,

963
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: which is something that I've never done in my life,

964
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: and then let's just say I'm good in it, and

965
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: then let's just say it goes to Broadway, and then

966
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: let's just say I win a Tony. This all could happen,

967
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: you guys, So I might win a Tony, is what

968
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say. Day, There's a very good chance

969
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: that I went to Tony. Anyway, I'm out. I gotta

970
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: go bight, hm,