1 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: A lot going on. I posted something on Instagram which 2 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: was effectively like a manifesto. If you remember in uh 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: Jerry Maguire, he kind of just had like a mission statement, 4 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: and some people in the comments after what I wrote 5 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: said what happened, and truthfully, nothing happened. I just took 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: stock in some of the things that I say here 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: and on social media, some of the things that I do, 8 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: and I wanted to kind of own my side in 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: the street and be accountable. I wanted to be accountable 10 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: because the reality reckoning has been something that I've brought 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: up about the exploitation on reality TV, and it keeps 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: going deeper as I have Rachel on and then I 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: have Ninion and we talk about discrimination, and we talk 14 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: about women, and we talk about Watch What Happens Live. 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: And I'm a very analytical person, and it really has 16 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: become very clear in being away from the Housewives for 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: so long, what I really feel about it, and what 18 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: I really do feel about it, is that it is 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: an environment designed to pit women against each other, for 20 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: women to rip each other apart. Watch What Happens Live 21 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: is a show, but in the beginning it has been 22 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: very successful at having women demoralize each other. And it's 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: very crafty and creative because the way that the show 24 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: is produced and executed, Andy is the host, and he 25 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: will ask provocative questions, so he remains clean, but he 26 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: will ask a provocative question like he recently asked who 27 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: is the most overrated housewife? It literally is designed just 28 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: to get someone to trash someone else, So it's always 29 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: off of him. The stink is always off him, and 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: callers will ask a question of a guest saying, so, Hi, 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: what did you think of when Bethany did that thing? 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,399 Speaker 1: So that person will have to say something bad about 33 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: Bethany or Nini or Ramona or anyone. And I really 34 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: don't blame the person sitting in the chair. They are 35 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: there because they want to promote whatever they're promoting and themselves, 36 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: and it is a clickbait environment. So the show has 37 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: been successful on the backs of like one hundred and 38 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: fifty to one hundred and eighty women that leave that 39 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: night and then have to live with tweets and articles 40 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: and hate by bloggers because they will say something provocative 41 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: and it's never the question that is questioned, it's always 42 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: the answer that is questioned. The answer and the clickbait 43 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: comment is always what gets the person into trouble and 44 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: what has made many many housewives dislike each other without 45 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: even having met each other, because it perpetuates women gossiping 46 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: and talking badly about other women for a profit. So 47 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: one example is that a woman on The New Housewives, 48 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: which doesn't do well, it gets a couple hundred thousand 49 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: or like three or four hundred thousand viewers a week 50 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: and really needs the press. A woman on that show 51 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: who's not relevant yet, well, who's new. So by definition, 52 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 1: you're not that relevant and you're on a show that 53 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: has ARCD and is on the back end. I mean 54 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: basically watch what Happens live and The Housewives is like 55 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: a nightclub at two o'clock in the morning. It basically 56 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: has peaked, and it's like, you know, at two o'clock 57 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: in the morning, it's when people's Misscara is running, their 58 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: eyelashes are coming off of their face, and it gets 59 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: a little sloppy. And so if you have someone who's 60 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: on The New York Housewives now in a post successful era, 61 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna want to squeeze that sponge for any amount 62 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: of liquid they can squeeze it for and you can 63 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: never blame them. You cannot blame the talent because they 64 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: need the relevance, the fame. It's why they went on 65 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: the show. It's why I went on the show yesterday. 66 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: I did this manifesto and sort of mission statement saying 67 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: I own my part in the swamp. I was in 68 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: the middle of the swamp. I capitalized on the swamp 69 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: and not until I walked away from it for years now. 70 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: I mean I've left twice, and I walked away from 71 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: a new show on Bravo last months ago because I 72 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: just didn't want to be in the environment which was tempting. 73 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: So I walked away now three times because I realized 74 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: that I was also gross, and I was gross for 75 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: even contemplating going back being involved, because I just was 76 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: making excuses for what this medium was, because I was 77 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: still capitalizing on the medium, and even going on Watch 78 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: What Happens Live to promote what I was doing or 79 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: whatever I was promoting, was still being part of that machine. 80 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: And so the last time I was there, yes, I 81 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: went on the show and it was very obvious to 82 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: the viewers that there was an ambush. And Jeff lewis 83 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: who I really do like and who I had a 84 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: nice conversation with about it afterwards, and who I don't 85 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: blame because he too is talent on the show, trying 86 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: to make a living, trying to promote what he's promoting, 87 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: and part of this machine, and he was asked very 88 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: provocative questions and really came for me, as Andy came 89 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: for me related to Rewives, a show that is definitely 90 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: not about bashing people. It's about breaking down episodes of 91 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: a show that I was part of, of a franchise 92 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: that I was part of, and relating it to modern 93 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: day issues. Could be menopause, could be infidelity, could be divorce. 94 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: And Andy came for me in the media, but as 95 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: someone who thought they wore his friend on some level. 96 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: Andy didn't come to me directly to tell me what 97 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: he thought of the show that I was doing. He 98 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: went out and talked about it in the media publicly, 99 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: and I think it boomeranged on him because it was 100 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: several weeks of bad pr for him in saying that 101 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: he trashed it. And of course I'm entitled to talk 102 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: about something that I was as much a part of 103 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: as he was. He actually never got dirty in it. 104 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: I actually got dirty in it. So it backfired on 105 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: him because he became a housewife. He took the bait, 106 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,119 Speaker 1: and he kind of publicly said something, said several things 107 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: negative against me, and then he tried to double down 108 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: on his own show and do it again because it 109 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: is his own show and he's protected there. It also 110 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: backfired because the audience thought that he and Jeff had 111 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: ambushed me. Andy Cohen has built a fortune and bought 112 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: beach houses on the backs of like one hundred and 113 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: eighty women. And what I said in my statement was 114 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: that we get filthy while he remains clean and gets 115 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: filthy rich, and that maybe I am biting the hand 116 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: that feeds me, and maybe that hand deserves to be bitten. 117 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: But most importantly that I have to think about the 118 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: things that I say and the way that I say them, 119 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: and I have to find the line between my opinion 120 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: and the medium machine and what it feeds me, and 121 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: that I need to err on the side of the 122 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: human being. So if I'm talking about the Kardashians or 123 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift dating or the Royals, I have to err 124 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: on the side of the human being, and I have 125 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: to hold back a little. And maybe Neneleak's was right 126 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: when she said what she said, and she said that 127 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: she's keeping it seventy five percent because many of the 128 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: opinions that I form are truly formed because of the 129 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: media machine and what we are fed by the media machine. 130 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: And when people say I want to hear your take 131 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: on X, they're not thinking about how it's going to 132 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: affect me. And my take on X maybe based on 133 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: off of clips that I've seen on Instagram and TikTok 134 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: and read in the paper, and they're designed to provoke, 135 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,559 Speaker 1: and so I've taken the bait. So I'm taking stock 136 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: in my own life and the things that I say 137 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: and the power that I have an influence. And I 138 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: am changing because i want to be a good example 139 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: for my daughter. And I'm not going to say whatever 140 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: I think and feel anymore, not because I'm afraid, but 141 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: because I'm responsible. And this reality reckoning and my part 142 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: in reality TV, I'm taking it seriously. It keeps me 143 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: up at night, and I've opened Pandora's box and I 144 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: take responsibility for it and I own it, all of it. 145 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: And when I think about an environment like watch What 146 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: Happens Live and a housewife being asked a question designed 147 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: to come for me that was previously discussed in a 148 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: dressing room A bout me. I don't blame I don't 149 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: hate the player, I hate the game instead. Andy Cohen 150 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: is a person who is basically just a crossing guard, 151 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: directing different people to say bad things about each other 152 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: and to say things that will be clickbait fodder to 153 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: live in the media for the next couple of weeks, 154 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: because otherwise, why would someone who has the benefit of 155 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: having a talk show ask Oprah Winfrey, one of the 156 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: most accomplished, intelligent women to ever walk this earth, who 157 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: could have won the election to be President of the 158 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: United States. And his big question that he decides to 159 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: ask her is if she's dipped in the Lady pond 160 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: or Anderson Cooper his friend who's been to Afghanistan and 161 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: reported and spent weeks on end in places like Ukraine 162 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: and been all over the world risking his life, and 163 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: Andy decides to ask him about a dick pic because 164 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: Andy is only built to utilize other people to get 165 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: pressed for himself, and it's worked because it's like that 166 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: guy on sixth Avenue that moves all of those cups 167 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: around in circles and you're not really knowing where anything's going, 168 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: you don't really realize where it's coming from. You don't 169 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: really realize that when he asks Rayleioda rest in Peace, 170 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: a question about who is the worst kisser in Rayoda 171 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: says Sigourney or something about breath or cocaine or something 172 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: that Andy laughs, and the stink isn't on him. The 173 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: stink was on Raioda and embarrassing him and getting him 174 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: to say something that he normally wouldn't have said, and 175 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: embarrassing Sigourney Weaver, who had nothing to do with it 176 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: and didn't sign up for any of this and isn't 177 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: being paid by Bravo or this machine. But the show 178 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: and the environment is designed for women to bash and 179 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: trash each other. And I no longer care if you 180 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: think I'm a hypocrite for saying it, because, in the 181 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: same way that Kim Kardashian started her career in a 182 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: sex tape sixteen years ago, I started on The Housewives 183 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: probably sixteen years ago, and yes I went back, that 184 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: was probably almost ten years ago. I'm allowed to grow 185 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: and evolve as a woman, as a mother, as a parent, 186 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: as a philanthropist. I'm allowed to see the air of 187 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: my ways on my own, not because anyone told me, 188 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: not because I got canceled. I make more money now 189 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: than I did when I was on The Housewives. I 190 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: make a lot of money by saying what I think. 191 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: I feel a personal human responsibility to walk the walk 192 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,599 Speaker 1: and talk the talk, and I had the courage to 193 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: stand up and start the reality reckoning. So it's going 194 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: to become very clear in the coming weeks and months 195 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: what's really happening and what really goes on behind the scenes. 196 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: And the reason that Andy Cohen can't himself comment and 197 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: can't himself say that he thinks I'm irrelevant or name 198 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: me when he says a hypocritical housewife, which I am 199 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: not a housewife, a term that is from the fifties 200 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: and also sets women back one hundred years and demoralizes them. 201 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: I am not a housewife. As a grown woman who 202 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: has my own career, my own career, my own money, 203 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: my own philanthropic effort, I'm allowed to say whatever I want, 204 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: and I can say Andy Cohen's name as many times 205 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: as I want. But Andy Cohen, because the network that 206 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: employs him is under tremendous legal siege for more than 207 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: one hundred people that have been treated unfairly and poorly. 208 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: So Andy Cohen is not allowed to say anything about me, 209 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: because I'm sure that his mommy and daddy have told 210 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: him from NBC that he's not allowed to speak about me. 211 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: But anytime that Andy Cohen wants to come and talk 212 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: to me, he's welcome to come and talk on my podcast, 213 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: because we've talked on many of his vehicles, and I've 214 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: been used for ratings and for numbers and for clickbait 215 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: ad nauseum. So he's welcome to come do it here 216 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: because just in the way that he thought that he 217 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: was the only person allowed to talk about and exploit 218 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: the housewives, he's not the only person that has a 219 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: platform for people to speak on. So he's welcome here 220 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: anytime to debate me on any aspect of the reality reckoning. 221 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: And deep down inside he knows that what I'm saying 222 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: is correct. And I thought I didn't like many of 223 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: these women. I used to blog about episodes that are 224 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: edited and produced where women are drinking and exhausted and 225 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: it's stressful and you've said something you regret and you're 226 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: in your head and you're on a trip and they 227 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: make you film every minute of the day on a trip, 228 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: and then you're exhausted, but you have to do it 229 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: the next day. And you often feel like if you're 230 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: not in a scene, they're going to be talking about you. 231 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: So you then you're drinking because you just want to relax, 232 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: and you say things that you shouldn't be saying aka 233 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: Kelly Dodd in Ireland, and you're being pushed alcohol, whether 234 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: it's not by the whether it's by the producers or 235 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: by the other castmates. Alcohol seems like a really good 236 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: idea and it's a recipe for disaster, And then you 237 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: put yourself on the front lines and you say things 238 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: that make people despise you because people think that's who 239 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: you really are. And I used to blog about people 240 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: on other shows like at Jersey and think certain things 241 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: about them. But if everything I'm Housewives is not a 242 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: reflection of who I am by any stretch of the imagination, 243 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: why would it be a reflection of who they are? 244 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: And then we're crossing over in the franchise and doing 245 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: talk shows and saying things about each other based on 246 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: things that have been said about us. I blog about Teresa, 247 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: Teresa instantly hates me. Teresa's on a talk show, Andy 248 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: asks her a question, she says something bad about me. 249 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: She doesn't even know me. I then say something bad 250 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: about her. I don't know her, I don't really know. 251 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: I have never spent time with Nannie until she sat 252 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: down for several hours at my house and I enjoyed 253 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: her the way that I would enjoy meeting someone at 254 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: a business conference or at a cocktail party, and we 255 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: would start texting and being friends. I used to love 256 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: Lisa Rina. We were friends. I liked her, I respected her. 257 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: I thought she was so down to earth and real. 258 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: When I stopped liking her is when I saw what 259 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: the machine of the Housewives did to her. I was 260 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: good friends with Kyle for years. Yes, we went in, 261 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: we went out, But I felt differently about her after 262 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: seeing the machine, seeing the social media, seeing how different 263 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: people react to fame, seeing her differently, seeing how she 264 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: was portrayed on the show, seeing how she handled the fame. 265 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: That's not necessarily Kyle, that's Kyle inside the machine, or 266 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: as they call it on The Bachelor and Bachelorette, the bubble. 267 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: So I have a different relationship with Kyle now because 268 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: on watch What Happens Live Kyle's asked by of course, 269 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: not Andy, someone else who you know doesn't want Andy 270 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: to get dirty. They'll do the dirty work. They're gonna 271 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: get the clickbait too. And she's asked, why did you 272 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: unfollow Bethanana Instagram? It's a provocative question. Why not ask 273 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: Kyle about her travels, her marriage, her kids, anything interesting? 274 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: But no, The questions are always designed for a woman 275 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: to trash another woman, a poll designed for one person 276 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: to win and one person to lose, and the words 277 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: in nine leaks I said what I said, I'm doubling down. 278 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm tripling down. I'm out here now naked. And while 279 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: Andy is playing checkers every night, having women trash each 280 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: other on his show, I'm here playing complicated chess. So 281 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm right here anytime. In addition, there are many Watch 282 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: What Happens Live clips and moments that have been rinsed 283 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: from the internet. I don't see any of the bad 284 00:16:49,960 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: things I've done rinsed from the internet. So Brinn came 285 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: with me to watch What Happens Live. They're not allowed 286 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: out in the audience. She stayed in the dressing room. 287 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: She got dressed up, and that was the night that 288 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: Jeff Lewis and myself were on I really like I 289 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: like Jeff Lewis. I have a good history with him. 290 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: I've always enjoyed him, and I think he crosses the 291 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: line but rides it, and I just I just intrinsically, 292 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: instinctively like him. Now. I know he's close to Andy 293 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: for years, and I don't know how much of that 294 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: as show friends and show business, but we had a 295 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: really nice conversation before the show started, and he kind 296 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: of came in and was firing at me once the 297 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: show started, and it did feel like a firing squad. 298 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: Andy too was firing off at me, And what I 299 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: found interesting about it was that Andy texts me all 300 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: the time and had so many opportun unities to tell 301 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: me what he had felt about Rewives, but he really 302 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: did save it for the headlines for his show, and 303 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: I thought our relationship transcended that. In fact, I have 304 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: so many very private texts between Andy and myself that 305 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: I will never divulge because I have a code about 306 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: sharing information or secrets or texts, and I am a vault. 307 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: Anything I've said about Andy is an observation and a feeling. 308 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: It's not proprietary secrets between us, whether it's about money 309 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: or other housewives. I don't fight dirty, I fight clean, 310 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: like it's all above board. So I felt that Andy 311 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: really was saving what he felt about rewives for ratings, 312 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: and that bothered me because it felt like an ambush. 313 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: He was saying things to me on his show that 314 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: he hadn't said to me anywhere by text. The only 315 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: thing he ever said to me by text was I'm 316 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: glad to see you embracing the housewives when I told 317 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: him I was doing rewives. Then on his radio show, 318 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: in many interviews, and then on his Watch Happens Live show, 319 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: Andy took the bait like a housewife and created the 320 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: bait to take a shot at this beat, and he 321 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: did miss. And the audience, for the most part, a 322 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: couple of haters, but for the most part, the audience 323 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: really felt that it was an ambush. I am so 324 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: used to being in that firing squad on that show, 325 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: because that show is a mudpit where you go to 326 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: that show with the intentions of promoting something and being 327 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: filthy for the next two weeks with provocative clickbait questions 328 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: and polls designed to have you get into trouble by 329 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: saying something you're going to regret. It is by design, 330 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: the producers, the callers, the guests. Everybody's peppered, and Andy 331 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: remains clean. So on that day, I remember Theresa had 332 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 1: just gotten fired upon and made to look unintelligent, and 333 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: she was in the dressing room and we had a chat. 334 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: And then after I returned from my segment, I came 335 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: back in and Brim was like, Mama, I didn't like 336 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 1: that he was mean to you, Like she really didn't 337 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: like it. She felt that everybody was ganging up on 338 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: me and bully me. To be perfectly honest, I didn't 339 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: really entirely notice, like I'm so used to it, but 340 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: it felt that way when I was on the show. 341 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: I felt ambush. But I'm very good under pressure. I'm 342 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: good when under fire. I had one reunion where everybody 343 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: knew that everybody was coming in with their own gun. 344 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: And on that reunion I helped Luwan get paid for 345 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: the reunion without attending, and she would have been the 346 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: only ally I would have had. And yet because she 347 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: was in a bit of trouble personally and emotionally, I 348 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: helped her get exempt from the reunion and still get 349 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: paid and get her rehab helped paid for her, and 350 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: I took it on. I'm I was raised at the 351 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: racetrack and an abusive environment. It hurt me for my 352 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: daughter to just be hurt. She felt hurt. She was like, 353 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: I thought that was your friend, Mama, And you know, 354 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: it's like, there are no friends. This is show business, 355 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: not show friends. And many people have asked me if 356 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: that was really the nail and the coffin that allowed 357 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: me to say how I really feel about Andy. Sometimes 358 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: you're not even really sure how you feel about something 359 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: or someone because you're just so used to that dynamic. 360 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: And when that dynamic either pays you or you're scared 361 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: to shut a door because you may want to enter 362 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: back into it because it's a vehicle for media, or 363 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: you get to go back on that show and promote something, 364 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: or one day you'll get paid millions of dollars and 365 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: you'll have to go on one of those Ultimate Girls 366 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: trips because you have no other source of income and 367 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: you're desperate, you've lost everything. Like these weird rainy day 368 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: thoughts happen in your mind. You just don't see that 369 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: there's any reason to burn a bridge or close a door. 370 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: Why would you, And that's what a lot of people 371 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: are thinking, because people in the entertainment industry and society 372 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: at large, and in corporations and in pretty much every 373 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: business are afraid because they just don't want to get cancer, 374 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: even if it's within their own smaller circle. And I've 375 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: always been one to be unafraid. And for a while, 376 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: I've felt that this was a cesspool. I just felt 377 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: hypocritical because I was saying it about something I was 378 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: part of, and I just kept dipping my toe in 379 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: until the water was a little warmer. And then one 380 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: day I was like, I'm all the way in the 381 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: pool and there's really no turning back. I don't think 382 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: Andy's inviting me over for a Tupperware party anytime soon. 383 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: And I think I didn't realize how I really felt. 384 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: And I didn't realize until hearing from all of the 385 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: horror stories of people from reality television and Bravo specifically, 386 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: that I got more courage and hearing the people that 387 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: have called the lawyers and told their stories about racism 388 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: and discrimination and things that like I didn't really think 389 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: about and really believe. I kind of rolled my eyes, 390 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: thinking these people are just disgruntled and I saw Niini 391 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: not as the character with the sound bites, but I 392 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: saw Nini as a I saw Jill as a person 393 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: and as a woman, and I saw Rachel as a 394 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: person and a woman. And a lot of these people, 395 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: even Kelly Dodd who said negative things about me, Tamor 396 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: who said negative things about me, they're women, their mothers, 397 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: and they're part of this machine. And I can't blame 398 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: them for their participation. I genuinely can't. And they all 399 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: know that what I'm saying is true, even the ones 400 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: protecting the round making a lot of money right now, 401 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: pretending that there they have blindfolds on it that they 402 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: can't see around them. They know I'm right. I know 403 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm right. I am completely certain that every child who 404 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: was exploited on Bravo television has to live that for 405 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: the rest of their lives. I'm right. So it's easy 406 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: to be vocal when you know you're right. So that's 407 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: where I stand, because sometimes being right doesn't mean you 408 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: have the courage to do it. And once I rip 409 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 1: the band aid off, I'm out here naked. So I'm naked, 410 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: but I'm right.