WEBVTT - Fastest Oven in the World 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.120 The oven that heats up in seconds and cooks an 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:08.560 entire meal in minutes. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:09.240 What's going on. 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:10.040 I'm Rich Demiro. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:12.680 This is Rich on Tech, and I'm here at a 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.720 restaurant in Westwood, California, where I'm getting a demo of 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.800 a new type of high tech oven. It's called the 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.760 Brava and this thing is really neat. It's kind of like, 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.240 you know, one of my favorite scenes in a movie 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.440 is that rehydrator scene and Back to the future too. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:29.960 That's what this reminds me of because it's kind of 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:31.360 this new high tech way of cooking. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.960 But enough of me explaining it. John Pleasants is the CEO. 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:36.080 Thanks so much for joining me. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.239 Thank you, Rich. I love that analogy. I may, I may, 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:39.680 I may plagiarize that. That's okay. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.599 Has anyone ever told you that the first one? 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.640 That's literally when I got the pitch for this oven, 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:45.080 that's what I thought of. It was like that little 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.159 tiny pizza they put it in and seconds later it 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:47.640 comes out. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:48.360 To that big pizza. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:49.040 Great image. 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.559 Thank you so describe the Brava oven, like, what is 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:53.000 this thing? 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.560 Right? So it is a smart countertop oven, but. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.640 What makes it truly different is that it's cooking with 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.639 infrared light. So think about cooking in the past, right, 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.120 Convection is what an oven does. Means you heat up 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.080 the air, you heat up the environment inside some type 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:08.640 of oven going back hundreds of years. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:10.759 Doesn't sound very efficient anymore. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.280 Not very efficient and not very accurate. Right. 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.840 The temperature fluctuates a lot in ovens, and also you 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.480 can't target any one area of the oven. It just 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.080 trying to get the entire thing into one sort of 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.960 homogeneous temperature. Of course, people cook with conduction, which is 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.480 anything over fire or stovetop, when you have something cold 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:26.360 touching something. 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:27.240 Hot and the heat transfers. 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.640 The big invention after those two technologically was the microwave 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.399 sixty years ago, and of course that changed everybody's life 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.560 and it became ubiquitous in households. When they came out, 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.039 they were super expensive, thousands and thousands of dollars, and now, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:39.880 of course you can get them incredibly cheaply at any 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:40.959 mass merchant. 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.160 Well Amazon just introduced one for sixty. 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.680 Bucks, and they can be much cheaper than that if 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:46.399 you got to like Walmart. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:47.840 But that one, of course has a Lexento, which is 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:48.920 their main deal. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:51.720 But microwaves are really good for some things, and they're 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:53.400 really not so good at other things. Right, they don't 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.760 really cook food. Their reheating is very inconsistent. And I'm 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:58.280 not here to slam microwaves. It's just that they have 0:01:58.280 --> 0:01:59.440 a sort of limited function. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.480 No one's ever thought of a microwave as cooking high 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:02.040 quality food. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:03.720 It's just for heating things up. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.960 Can you never serve something from a microwave to a 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:06.560 dinner party? 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:06.960 Yeah? 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:08.840 And what's actually happening with the microwave, which I get, 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.520 I suppose most many many people know of your audience, 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.760 is it's simulating water molecules. So it's pretty good for 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:16.560 doing a cup of coffee. Matter of fact, it's really 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.840 great at that a heating liquids. Outside of that, when 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.839 you get into foods, it really starts to become much 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.040 less consistent. We have the fourth next big way of cooking, 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.960 and it's worth using infrared light. And it is a 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.919 little bit like cooking over an open campfire, which is 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:31.440 if you know, if the hood's not down, if it's 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.840 just a fire light is the main thing that's cooking. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:35.840 The heat is just going up into the atmosphere and 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.320 dissipating into the air. An easy bake oven is a 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.600 great example of this. It was cooking with infra red light. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.360 But an easy bake oven is to Brava what a 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.680 golf cart, which is an electric car is to a tesla. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:50.280 Right, it is people. 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.919 This technology has been for around around for a long time. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.440 It's the primary you know, it's a primary part of 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:56.600 physics of life. 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:57.840 But we've just harnessed it with. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.520 Some very specific bulbs and then a ton of software 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:05.680 feedback loop sensors, AI machine vision that controls these lamps. 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.560 We have six lamps inside the oven and we're controlling 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.480 them very specifically to deliver the perfect food result, hopefully 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:10.919 every time. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.560 So you've got six lights. There's also a touch screen 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.600 on the top. Yeah, tell me the function of that 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:16.200 touch screen. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.920 That's your basic navigation. It's just like using an iPhone, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.440 if you will. You go to there and we have 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.280 different sections. We have recipes, so our chefs have come 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.320 up with what we think are fantastic recipes and we'll 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.760 continue to add daily in perpetuity. And those tend to 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.200 be multi ingredient items that could be a little trickier 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:33.560 if someone didn't want to try to figure that out 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.920 on their own. But you can also go into combos, 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.680 which is simple two combinations. You can go into single ingredients, 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.000 so to think of it as all sweet potatoes or 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.520 all chicken breasts or all pork chops or whatever you 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.120 may be cooking versus no, I want my steak and 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:49.960 potatoes cooking at the same time, So we give you 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.320 the ability to toggle between those as much as you want. 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.720 There's also another function there where you can take control 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.520 the lamps yourself, So if you want to cook something 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.960 that we don't know, we allow some to take control 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:00.920 of the lamps and basic build what they think is 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.080 the perfect recipe. You can then save that and very 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:05.960 soon coming to a theater near you, you will be 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:06.800 able to share. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.080 These recipes out with the community. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.800 So everybody who's using Brava can basically be a chef 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.560 and transfer their expertise to other people in the community. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.680 Okay, so the demo you showed me we took a 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.680 piece of salmon, we put it in the tray is 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.159 sort of specially made for your oven. It's divided into 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.719 three kind of zones, so you put, you know, whatever 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.640 you put in Zone one. Maybe it's a vegetable zone two, 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.120 the salmon zone three. Whatever you put in there, you 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:31.719 tell the oven what you put in there, so it 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.320 adjusts those lights accordingly to kind of sear and to cook. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.240 And what is the result? 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.599 I mean the salmon and I had tasted fantastic and 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.440 it tasted like it was seared on the bottom but 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:42.920 nicely cooked on the top. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:44.640 What's going on inside that oven? 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.320 It's kind of exactly what you just said, like it. No, 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.640 you were kind of painting by numbers. When you get 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.719 into a complicated cook which is in this case, three 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.240 different ingredients, one of them super sensitive, which is a 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:01.800 cherry tomato broccolini which wanted to be seared, a salmon 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.479 which you wanted to be very very gentle on the 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:05.400 inside and see the heck out of the skin on 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:05.960 the bottom to. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.360 Make it actually not only edible, but delicious. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.400 Yeah, you need to put it in the right zone 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:13.120 and it will take care of itself. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.320 There's just some very few simple steps that you saw. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.160 There's a temperature sensor that goes into the proteins, You 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.000 put it in the right zone, you pick the right recipe, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.360 and you're off and running. If you want to mess 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.200 with it, and like not, you know, put the put 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:26.800 food in the right zone or put the tray on 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.280 the wrong thing, it can go off. I mean there 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.400 is some agency each users. You have to do a 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.520 little bit of something. But once you do that, the 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.599 recipes kick in and then the AI on the machine 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.560 vision and the temperature centers drive to cook so that 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.559 it gets into the perfect temperatures in the perfect extra 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.040 you know, seer levels and that kind of thing. 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.520 And the oven itself does not get hot on the outside. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.040 It's a small kind of a table all right, I 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:48.080 guess not tabletop. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.400 Countertop is what we call it. You countertop kind of 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.560 bigger than a standard toaster oven. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.120 Slightly bigger than a radiotoaster of and I think it's 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.920 twelve by thirteen by fourteen in terms of a cubic space. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:01.679 Got kind of a rubber top which you can almost 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.680 you can set like a hot plate on absolutely so. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.080 Once you take the tray out, you can put it 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:05.440 on there. 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.680 And as an illumining case, you know, we wanted to 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.599 make it designed to look kind of high tech and cool, 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.680 and that aluminum casing also is protecting for temperature, so 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.440 that the oven itself that you touched. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.800 Doesn't get too hot, and the camera inside. Yeah, tell 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.839 me about the functionality because there's no window on the door. Correct, 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.400 probably for cooking reasons. I'm guessing the way you're cooking. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:25.400 Tell me about the camera. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:26.719 The camera has two main functions. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:28.560 The first is is that as you as you point out, 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.520 you can actually see what's going on inside the oven, 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.000 and we send it to your phone, so you can 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:33.600 see what's going on when you're in the living room, 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.000 not in the kitchen, to see where it where's my 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:36.720 cook and we'll show you the time, the temperature, where 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.440 everything is, as well as the view of the oven. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.160 So wait, that's perfect because I do this thing when 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.679 I broil salmon where I'm checking it every one minute, 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.440 I'm pulling out the salmon to see. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:46.599 And the heat's coming on and then you might have 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:47.880 to take it out and see it later in the 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.839 top I mean all that stuff, right, So you basically 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:50.839 can can watch all that. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.440 So that's the I'm gonna call it. 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:56.000 The UXX part of the experience. The more complicated thing 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.279 is using it for a machine vision. So we'll use 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.200 the example of toast where you say, okay, I like 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.880 my toast a certain shade of brown. Well that's out 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.200 of a continual of you know, an infinite number of 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.480 shades of brown, right, you get very very specific there. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.520 So we're using the camera to do things like look 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.200 at the specific piece of toast and monitor its color. 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.760 But it even gets more complicated because obviously different different 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.000 pieces of bread can start. 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:18.360 At different color levels, so you have. 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.360 To be able to watch the differentiation in the texture 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.760 of the toast. And this is a lot of algorithms 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.600 and machine vision going on. It's basically a neural network 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.000 where we've pumped in tens of thousands of different photographs 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.800 of what's going on with toast, so that it is 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.640 learning from that consistently and watching what's happening in the 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.880 pock marks of the toast so they can deliver you 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.120 the perfect toast. That's where the thing gets pretty complicated. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:39.880 It starts to feel more like self driving car than 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.600 it does just a countertop of it. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.679 It sounds great and we tried it. It's the food 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:48.320 tasted fantastic. I'm really impressed. But the reality is it's 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:49.240 an expensive device. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:49.560 Yep. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.080 It's one thousand dollars yep. And to some people that 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:54.840 may be fine. I mean, we're spending one thousand dollars 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:56.840 on a cell phone now, yep. And then of in 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.280 is something this can actually save you money, I believe 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.760 over the term of a couple of years, or even 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.360 maybe in the first year by not eating out as much. Yeah, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.760 if yeah, if we have it. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.480 Is nine ninety five, we have a finance plan that 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.200 can be as low as thirty two dollars a month. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.440 And if you just use that number or it'll exaggerated 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:14.040 up to fifty. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.880 Dollars a month. For a second, if you're eating out, you. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.880 Know, I don't know, eight, ten, twelve, fifteen times a 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:21.320 month because it's sort of your go to. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.800 If you just knocked one of those nights off. 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.600 You basically would be paying for the oven in real 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.640 time because you'd be saving fifty dollars a month, right, 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.760 and it's also healthier and so and then again, what's 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.959 your time worth? Like, you know, if you're saving how 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:36.600 long did it take you to go out to get 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:37.840 to get a meal when you could have been ten 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.640 minutes been eating something you have better quality with, less 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.640 healthier and healthier. Right, So when you start to think 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.360 about all those things, what's my time worth? What's my 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.240 health worth? What's actually me doing things that I enjoy 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:48.880 doing more? 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.480 And I'm not eating out, I'm not spending that money. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.520 When you think about it in that context, I would 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.439 argue it is not cheap, and it is nine hundred 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.040 ninety five dollars, But boyd is it if it really 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.040 if you really bring in your life, it can change 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:02.600 it and I feel like it can pay itself back 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.520 in matters of months, not years. 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.360 Okay, do you think you're going to change the kitchen 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:08.800 with this? I mean the microwave was kind of like 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.080 the last revolution in the kitchen. We've had assorted gadgets 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.640 come and go. Is this the next big wave in cooking? 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.320 I think yes. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.480 So this way of cooking within thread light is more precise, 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.640 more energy efficient, makes better tasting and healthier food. So 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.320 when I say that and stand by that comment, I 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:31.319 think that I'm making this up now. Twenty five percent 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.000 of all ovens worldwide and fifteen or years will have 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.120 this technology in it. I mean, it is a better 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.520 it is a it is a step function change in 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.880 the way people can cook. I hope Proves continues to 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:43.720 be a company that can capitalize on it. We certainly 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.280 intend on being a company that can go out and 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.520 continue to build more skews, and we have different applications 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.920 we're thinking about. But even if we were for some 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:51.400 reason not to be successful, I think that the core 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.120 technology is going to be proven to be Wow. I 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.160 like eating with that that mechanism. As for Brava, I 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.640 think that we're in our V one product that we're 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.800 coming out of. I think we will integrate into people's lives. 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:03.439 I mean, we really have a philosophy. We want to 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:05.440 meet people where they are, which is why it's so 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.760 important that we can do toast or a twelve inch pizza. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.839 And you said pizza. I mentioned the pizza at the 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.679 beginning with Back to the Future. Yeah, so you can 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.400 just stick I mean, clearly, we're gonna hope people make 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.400 nice you know, flaming Yon's and salmon and you know, 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:19.400 lamb in this thing. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.320 But the reality is a lot of people are going 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:22.199 to stick a pizza in there. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.800 It's great, It's perfect because you want pizza really hot. 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:26.960 You want that bottom stone that it sits on in 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.160 this case, on our on our trays. You want that 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:30.520 thing to get up to you know, you want that 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.280 oven at eight hundred degrees or whatever. Right, so you 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.760 need intense power and that's, you know, thankfully what we 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:35.480 have in this thing. 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.480 John Pleasant, CEO of Brava, the oven that is trying 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.000 to change the way we cook in the kitchen. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:41.600 Thanks for joining me, Rich, Thank you so much. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:42.240 I really appreciate it. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:43.680 Thanks for a good meal too, all right. 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.280 Man, And if you want to learn more about the 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.720 Brava Oven, you can look in the show notes or 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.520 go to my website rich on tech dot tv to 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:51.720 see some pictures and. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.480 Video, and you can also see the meal that I 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.000 ate from it. Thanks so much for listening. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:55.600 I'm Rich Termiro. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:56.840 I'll talk to you real soon.