1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Now it's time for our daily Bloomberg Law Brief, exploring 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: legal issues in the news, and Today, Bloomberg Law host 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Jun Grosso and Greg's Store discussed the Supreme Court's decision 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: forcing Texas to broaden its death penalty exemption for people 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: with intellectual disabilities. They speak with Virginia Sloan, president and 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: founder of the Constitution Project, and Robert Dunham, Executive director 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: of the Death Penalty Information Center. Rob let's start with you. 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: Just tell us, tell us who Bobby James Moore is, 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: in his background, and why we're even talking about whether 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: he is eligible for the death penalty. Bobby James Moore 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: is a Texas throw prisoner, and he he was sentenced 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: to death although there were serious questions about whether he 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: had intellectual disability. The United States Supreme Court ruled in 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: two thousand and two you can't execute people who have 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: intellectual disability, and the Texas Trial court, who heard Bobby 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: James Moore's claim apply the looked at the clinical definitions 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: of of intellectual disability and found that he had met them. 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals UH instead of substituted 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: a set of standards called the brastinio factors, which are 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: an unscientific group of essentially laced artotypes. Uh and uh, 21 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: and said that he had not proven intellectual disability, so 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: the case came up to the United States the court 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: essentially decide whether he could be facing a despitally or not. 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: Jenny Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg wrote the majority opinion. Tell 25 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: us what her reasoning was. Well, the reasoning was that 26 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals had not relied on 27 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: the medical standards that were the latest and up to 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: date UM standards for determining when someone is intellectually disabled 29 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: and had in dead relied on outdated and judicially crafted 30 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: uh standards. Uh that just don't m mean anything. They're 31 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: not judicially significant, they're not legally significant, and uh they 32 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: don't determine whether anyone is intellectually disabled or not. That's 33 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: Virginia Sloan, president and founder of the Constitution Project, and 34 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: Robert Dunham, Executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center, 35 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: speaking with Bloomberg Lahouse, jum Grasso and Greg Store. You 36 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: can listen to Bloomberg Law Wait Days at one pm 37 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: Wall Street Time here on Bloomberg Radio and that's this 38 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: morning's Bloomberg Law Brief. You can find more legal news 39 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg Law dot com and Bloomberg b NA dot com. 40 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: Attorneys will find exceptional legal research and business development tools 41 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: there as well. Visit Bloomberg Law dot com and Bloomberg 42 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: b and A dot com for more information. Well, as 43 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: we've been reporting this morning, the UK starts the clock 44 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: today on two years of negotiations to withdraw from the 45 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: European Union and thus ads into the unknown s and 46 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: p S Chief Rating Officer Warren's the UK's credit rating 47 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: could be at stake. What does Stephanie Flanders see ahead? 48 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: We're about to ask the UK based chief market strategist 49 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: for JP Morgan Asset Management joining us on the Spectrum 50 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: Enterprise phone line, Spectrum Enterprise nationwide fiber based network and 51 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: I T infrastructure solutions. Stephanie Flanders, good morning and welcome. 52 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: We've seen this coming for a long time. Right now 53 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: the markets up here calm. Is there anything that could 54 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: seriously upset that? Well? I think we are. Most of 55 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: the expectations around this particular moment have very much been 56 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: baked into markets for a while. But of course we'll 57 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: be listening to Prime Minister Theresa May when she which 58 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: she stands up and effectively says what was in that 59 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: letter that's been sent over to the European Commission um 60 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: this morning? And if there's any sign that her negotiating 61 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: position has changed, or that we might be looking at 62 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: a harder or softer version of Brexit, than that could 63 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: have an effect on markets. But at the moment, and 64 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: we're not anticipating that, and we are just realizing that 65 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: the clock has now started taking on those very difficult negotiations. Yeah, 66 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: she She's done a lot to try to telegraph to 67 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: the market, so you know what's ahead. Do you do 68 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: you think that that's going to be the course she's 69 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 1: going to take? Yeah? I mean I think we've had 70 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: an interesting approach taken by stories and maybe you know, 71 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: someone who had previously campaign to stay in the European Union, 72 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: since being in this position and having accepted the decision 73 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: of the referendum, has almost acted as if there were 74 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: no downsides to this, and that we could achieve a 75 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: fantastic trade deal in a very short time and also 76 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: have the extra advantages of freedoms that come from being 77 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: outside the U. I think there are a lot of 78 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: people who worry that that's expect setting expectations, public expectations 79 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: pretty high. You know, people in the markets have not 80 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: been have been more skeptical of that view, and we've 81 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: seen the pound affected by concerns around the economic impact 82 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: of a harder version of Brexit. But you know, we've 83 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: yet to see really what that's going to look like 84 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: and how difficult these negotiations are. So maybe we'll have 85 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: a bit of sense of that from her, but we 86 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: haven't so far. Now we expect that in this letter 87 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: is is sort of the pathway to what Britain is 88 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: going to need out of these negotiations. Are what does 89 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: Britain need, Well, we want to have all the advantages 90 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: that we currently have of being in the European Union, 91 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: but none of what we consider to be the disadvantages, 92 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: for example, the fact that we can't prevent other European 93 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: citizens from coming living in the k Uk, which several 94 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: million people have, and that's one of the political issues 95 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: that's been around Brexit. Now. Of course the other twenty 96 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: seven are going to have their view, and one of 97 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: the views of many in the European Unions, we can't 98 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: have this leaving option look too great at the time 99 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: when there's a lot of populist pressures and criticism of 100 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: the European Union within Europe itself. So, you know, this 101 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: is the issue. We've had a lot of debate in 102 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: the UK around the UK position, but now we have 103 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: to counter in you know what twenty seven other countries 104 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: think and their own domestic political considerations which could which 105 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: could really make negotiations hard. They always do. I mean, 106 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: trade deals are difficult. You know that in the States 107 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: how hard it is to get one of these things 108 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: through through Congress, let alone negotiated. So are we looking 109 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: at two years of volatility as as the negotiations go 110 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: from hard to progress too hard again? Well, I think 111 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: there'll be a quiet period for the next six months 112 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: or so because the timing of this is a bit awkward. 113 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: As you know, we have a big French election, we 114 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: have a big German election. They're the two most important 115 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: countries in Europe. They're not going to be the only 116 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: ones who have to say. But I think most people 117 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: think that the serious decisions are not going to be 118 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: taken on the shape of Brexit until we have new 119 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: leadership in Germany and France, which will be in six 120 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: only in the autumn um, so before that we will 121 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: have sort of more maneuvering on the sidelines and the 122 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: negotiators sitting around and talking to each other. But I 123 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: don't think in terms of market moving events, we're going 124 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: to have that much until we get to the end 125 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: of the year and the first half of eighteen. That's 126 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: when we're really going to have to start seeing a 127 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: shape of a deal if we've got any chance of 128 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: meeting this two time frame very quickly. How concerned are 129 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: you that Scotland could complicate matters here with its referendum demands. 130 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: I think in the long term it could complicate it 131 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: a lot. I think the Prime Minister is going to 132 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: stick with her argument that this is no time to 133 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: have another referendum, so I'm not sure the schottarsh are 134 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: going to win in their desire to have one before 135 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: Britain leaves the EU, but certainly down the road this 136 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: could make for a very difficult negotiations around the future 137 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: of the United Kingdom itself. Stephanie Flanders, thank you very 138 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: much for joining US Chief Market Strategies for JP Morgan 139 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: Asset Management in London.