WEBVTT - Keylan Rutledge & Nick Caserio on Texans Camp | Jadeveon Clowney Returns, C.J. Stroud Sharp 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.960 Well, hello, Taxan said, Welcome to the show. As training 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:07.080 camp continues, guys are milling around the building. Guys are 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:09.240 getting ready for a day off Thursday. Oh wait a minute, 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.440 tomorrow's Wednesday, so there's no day off for another day. 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.040 But they're okay, they're okay. They's Sunday off. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.560 Just back to back days in pads. Mark Vandermain and 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.720 John Harris with you. Johnny, I don't know this. So 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.040 are we thinking they're in pads tomorrow or not? After 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:25.680 two consecutive days in pads. 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:30.640 I think that they will. If they're wearing pads, it'll 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.840 be a little they'll tone it down, maybe a little 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.040 bit to the extent that they can't because you know, 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.200 you know how these guys are, they don't back off. Yeah, 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:45.159 so I think they will be out of pads. I 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.000 think they'll be out of pads. I think it'll they'll 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.840 still it'll still be a Texas type practice, but they'll 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:55.360 just be out of pads. They'll come back Friday, right Friday. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.120 I think Friday. They put the pads back on on Friday. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.959 Saturdays and night practice pads pads. So I think they'll 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:04.840 go pads Friday Saturday, Sunday off. 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.080 Yeah, front, so this is actually nice for them. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.080 I think so right now from where we stand, practice 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.360 Tomorrow day off, practice, practice day off, right, and then 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:19.000 practice practice game week Friday on Wednesday, no, and then 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:19.760 Thursday game. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:20.480 Oh no. 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.360 I mean you can see the light at the end 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.000 of the tunnel if you're a player right now. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.039 It's a very small light. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:27.440 It could be an oncoming train. 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.520 But that's what players, that's what players do. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.760 They start looking forward to, like, hey, I used to 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.639 look at it. Now we we weren't. I don't remember 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.200 if we were required to have a day off way 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:42.920 back in the day. But when you got one, it 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:47.280 was like you thought about it in like day increments, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.800 like okay, we got three days for a day off. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.880 You got these three days, so okay, let's go hard 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:53.440 these three days. And then we you know, we get 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:54.760 the day off. And then of course at that point 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:55.800 you just laid around. 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.320 And yeah, you can't do anything. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.920 Didn't want to even think about the next day because 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.120 we were going back at it. But when Mike Doman 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.200 said it to day was the best thing about training camp, You're. 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.440 Like, it's over. That was the best thing. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:09.880 There's not a football player alive that thought about but 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.360 thought about training camp being good. But you just have 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:17.639 to mentally kind of get yourself in shape and think 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.480 about it that way. And I think it's easier now 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.160 with the way that off days are scheduled, like, hey, 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.480 three days hard, go hardest three days, and then whatever 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.679 recovery and everything you gotta do that fourth day you 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:29.800 get it with the day off. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.200 Think about this, So I mentioned the Monday, Tuesday next week, 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.480 then game week Friday, so then you play the game 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.120 Thursday night, so Friday will be off or whatever, recharge 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.320 the battery day, and then Saturday they have a practice 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.000 scheduled a week from Saturday. 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:45.000 I'm getting way ahead of. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:49.079 My but I just want to a practice scheduled that's 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.240 two days after a game. I know the starters are 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:52.160 gonna play much, if at all. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:52.680 Who knows. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.240 They'll go semi hard or hard enough, but not that 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.760 hard because you have to still consider the entire roster 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.840 when you're practicing. And then I don't know if they 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.320 have us practice that following Sunday or not. I don't 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:06.880 want to get that far ahead. I don't want to 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:08.520 get that far ahead, but then you're in another game 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.800 week already because you have back to back Thursday nighters, 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.239 and then the following week you're gonna go to Carolina 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:14.639 early for a joint practice. 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.560 Everybody gets up for that. Yeah, they'll be up for that, and. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.079 The Raiders are here. When's the joint practice? Tuesday? 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:20.560 Tuesday? 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.959 It's a week from Tuesday. So we're getting into it here, 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:28.200 we're getting busy. I love it when Thursday, this Thursday passes, 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.280 then we're in game week mode for the rest of 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.520 the way. And you have that bye before the season 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.200 because you don't have a game Labor Day weekend you 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.360 used to have the Thursday night or prior to Labor Day, 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.520 we'll have the season premiere instead. That's what we've been 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.480 doing the last few years with these three preseason games. 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:42.680 That you play. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.560 But that bye week it just flies because you come 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.880 down to the fifty three man roster. You're just kind 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:49.680 of gearing up, and then you get into week one, 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.600 so here we go. I'm saying all this because I'm 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.520 so excited for games already. 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.920 And I know the general feels the same way. After 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.920 two or three training camp. This is how I'm ready 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.520 to go for the season, Johnny. They did coming out 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:04.520 today they did that. 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:08.080 Is not a Diana Ross song, although it was back 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:09.440 in the day, was it? 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:10.560 Yeah, I'm coming out? 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.960 Oh you know she's saying that, and it's been used 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.080 as an anthem for some I guess. But anyway, coming 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.760 out is you're pinned back deep under the shadow of 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.920 your goal post, correct inside the five yard line. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:24.720 You gotta come out. 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.520 You gotta at least get a first down or two, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.040 get some room for the punter, get out of jail. Whatever. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.120 So they did that with the ones, the twos, and 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.800 the threes. I was watching this one from the back 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:35.440 of the end zone. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:36.320 Yeah you had view. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.720 Yeah, great seats, great seats when the ball is when 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.880 the ball gets backed up, whether it's the Texans going 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:48.640 into the end zone while offense, defense, whatever, whether it's 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.600 a team coming out or a team going in, I 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.799 try and go back to an end zone spot. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.160 That viewback there is amazing. 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:56.200 Collisions are wonderful. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.440 Oh, it's amazing. It's so fun to watch. 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.240 What I like and have always liked about Admiko Ryan's 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.800 defense is they look at that opportunity to turn that 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:06.719 into offense. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:11.440 Oh yeah, Togii had a sensational play. Sensational just came 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.159 flying through the middle, wrapped up. I think it was 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.880 quite flying. He came through like the Nesty Plunge. No 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.360 kool Aid, kool Aid, I'm getting my beverages mixed up. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.839 Kool Aid guy bursting through the wall, kool Aid TOGII 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:24.760 dove through. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.520 I mean it was I tell this to people all 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.760 the time, like Tommy's one of the strongest guys on 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:35.320 his team, but that dude is quick. He's cat quick, 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.720 and I think people miss that. His feet are great, 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.479 and it's one of the things that makes him so 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.200 good is he can because he's so strong, because he 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.120 can get his feet in the right position, because he's 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.760 so quick, he rarely loses. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.279 In a battle up front. 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.320 Well, this one, he just darted into the backfield and 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.040 there was no stopping him and he wrapped up the 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.400 back before he could even get to the goal line. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:57.960 I think it may have been David, I can't remember, 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.760 but either way, it was a it was a tremendous 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.320 play bye by Tommy, and it really was. It was 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.680 probably the one that that stood out the most, I 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.160 think from from the coming out team period. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.800 From that standpoint, there was another play where I think 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:13.880 it was Will it was Will or Daniel. I shouldn't 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.359 get the mixed up up. My eye went to a 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:16.400 collision down field. 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:17.360 It was Will. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.120 It was Will came into the backfield like he had 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.479 reservations and he was late for dinner. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.400 Yeah, and he was starving. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.920 Like at Seattle. Yeah, Seattle last year. It was it 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.920 was noticeable, it was very niceable. He just said, hello, 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:33.679 I'm living here. 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:35.760 It's gotta be a menacing site. 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:36.000 Man. 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.360 It was from where I was sitting, was up there 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.680 and go because CJ started to move up in the 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.679 pocket because the Neils was rushing from the other side, 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:45.800 and all of a sudden there's Will. No, Will is 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:47.440 not going to hit CJ. But then all of a 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.839 sudden you're like, oh, and CJ. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:50.320 You look. 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.039 CJ has been going to get these guys for a while, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:53.880 so he doesn't have any moment of panic. 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:55.719 But it's like when you see them, you're. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.760 Like, oh, defensive players laying off as a thing, and 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:01.560 you see it all day long because they have to 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.960 have to. So they just get their chest on the guy, 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.120 arms wide open, like I would have killed you, I would. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:07.320 Have gotten you. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.120 And in a real game, you know they're wrapping up 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:11.880 and here it is. And this is why we talk 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.840 about tackling being so important. It's always important, but early 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.200 in the season, especially when you want to be at 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:19.600 your bet where you want to be at your best 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.920 all the time, all the time. My point is this 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.440 early in the season, you might see some less than 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.360 stellar tackling from some teams because they haven't been doing it. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.160 You can't really practice that. Kawait is in games right, correct. 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:32.240 Team, No teams are. 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.320 There might be some teams that push the envelope, that 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.760 might have a scrimmage or something to that extent where 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.680 they're taking guys to the ground for a short mind, but. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.480 It's not it's not. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.320 It's not worth it, that's what it's not. Well, it's 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.280 not worth it. You're right about that. It's just it's 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.720 too risky. But there are some there are some people 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:54.680 of a belief that, well, you got to you gotta 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.760 practice tackling right, Well, there are things you can practice 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.120 about tackling that aren't just bringing a guy to the ground. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.720 Look my university, Brown University, James Perry is the head 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.240 coach there. They don't tackle anybody in practice. Yeah, they 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:10.680 don't tackle anybody in practice. 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.160 But do they tackle people during games. Does it show 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.560 up in games that they didn't practice this. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.520 No, the defense hasn't been great, but I don't think 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.160 it's because they can or cannot tackle. His talent had 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.400 some hosses, but when they've been pretty good, they've been 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:23.160 a good tackling team. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:23.600 And he said. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:25.440 We had a dinner with him one time in Houston 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.720 and he was talking about that because some of my 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.680 fellow alums were kind of you know, old schoolers like. 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:34.480 Me, like, you know, coach, are you going to get 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:35.240 better at tackling? 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.239 And he kind of went into, you know, a soliloquy 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.800 about how you get better tackling and it has nothing 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:42.440 to do with bringing a guy to the ground and 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.120 increasing the injury percentages. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:45.560 And it was really good. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.199 I mean what he said, and I knew everything that 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:49.800 he talked about, so I don't I don't have a 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:50.439 problem with that. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:51.160 You know. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.920 John Gallardi, longtime coach at Saint John's University D three 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.199 school up in Minnesota. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:00.760 The legend, the legend they never hit anybody, They didn't 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:05.160 practice hitting a soul, they didn't tackle anybody, and they 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.720 were one of the best teams in D three history. 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:07.800 Wow. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:08.640 They didn't. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.760 It's a long list of things he thought were you know, 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:16.520 nonsense about football, and he thought practicing tackling and blocking 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.480 dummies and all that kind of fit. 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:18.760 Right in there. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.080 And they didn't hit anybody, and they end up winning 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.120 four hundred plus games throughout his career in a bunch 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:24.199 of national championships. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.160 So there are a lot of ways to go about it, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:26.839 but it just. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:31.040 Demands that every drill that you can do to make 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.840 yourself a better tackler, you've got to do. And I 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:35.760 always say this, the flip side of that is with 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.559 a defense like this, if the first guy misses, there 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.559 are always two, three, four, five. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.080 Guys that are ready to clean up. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:43.640 Swarm. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:45.680 And that's right, they swarm. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.840 And because they do that first guy, my miss, the second, third, 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.880 fourth probably not going to especially if they're there in succession. 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.000 And that's the way that they swarm to the football 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.520 and the way they run, how fast they are. That 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:02.679 kind of overcomes some of that bad at the beginning 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:03.080 of a year. 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.600 So I know you have Harris hits right on Houston 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.440 Texans dot com. So here is my hit. Okay, this 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.640 is a Vander hit. Okay, should I put this one 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.320 in No. I think it's okay. You probably have this. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.560 I haven't read it yet, so I apologize, but I'll 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.800 say you this. Everyone's asking about the offense, and I've 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.520 said this. It'll be better than last year. I can't 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.200 tell you how much, but it'll be better. 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:24.800 That's correct. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.800 It's clear that it's better. It's clear that the line 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.240 has more nasty attitude. It's clear that the running plays 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:36.960 are there more right. That's getting some pops and that's 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.360 gonna help the whole thing. Yes, And then you think 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.200 about the quarterback and this is clear too. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:43.360 He's on target. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:43.640 Man. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.560 I know everyone's talking about a pick that Bullock had 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:47.160 on Monday. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:47.560 Whatever. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.640 Fine, you know there are some picks the pro bowler exactly. Well, 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.120 if i'm CJ, this is where I'm taking my chances. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.480 I'm gonna try to thread the needle in because I 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.360 want to see what I can get away with against 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.000 this defense. If I can get away with certain things 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.360 is against them, I could probably get away with them 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.679 against anybody. But I can't speak for him. I can 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.320 tell you this, though I have seen many more on 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.240 target balls in this camp. There are some times where 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.000 there's a completion. He had one to X where X 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:21.199 was blanketed still caught the ball, but it was thrown 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.480 the only possible place where he could catch the ball, 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:25.240 and that's why he caught the ball. 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.360 But the coverage was really good. So we've seen some 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:29.480 of that, a lot. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.280 Of that from him in this camp, and I like 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.839 that he's looking a lot better and I'm eager to 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:35.640 see what's next. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:36.960 Again, we're only a weekend. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:41.080 We've concluded the first week of training camp, six practices, 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.480 one day off. We were resumed tomorrow, and I think 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.680 that that can be said right now he looks better 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.439 and he's heading in the right direction where it goes 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:51.920 from here. 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:53.400 We all got to wait to see it. 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.600 I said, probably the most obvious thing. You and I 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.400 were talking about that earlier today off the air, and 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.920 I said, one of the most obvious things that thought about. 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.640 In fact, he's kind of become a pot item on Twitter. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.000 John Mattier, who's a quarterback Oklahoma. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.480 Did you see the one with him without a shirt 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.080 on here? And it said the p man is going 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.880 to visit Matier because yes, he looks so jacked up, Jack, 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.520 though it doesn't look like it was done naturally, So Jack, 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.240 I don't know if that was photoshop or not. 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:25.880 And it's kind of funny just to say. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:26.200 So. 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.640 When he was at Washington State, he was a really 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:34.360 good run pass quarterback. I mean he's a good, good 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.800 duel threat, really really good. So when he goes to Oklahoma, 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.480 that dual threat is still there. It's the same offensive 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.880 coordinator Ben Arbuckle who went from Washington State Tolahoma to 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.640 run the same stuff, but now he's facing sec defenses. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.400 So he's getting a hell beat out of him. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.000 So in getting a helmet out of him, his mechanics 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.800 go all to you know what, because he's running the 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.280 ball eighteen times a game, so he's running. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:57.320 Quarterback power, quarterback power. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:58.959 He's fighting for first downs, and then all of a 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.880 sudden he's got to step back and throw a dig 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.880 route and put it on the numbers to one of 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:03.800 his wide receivers. 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.800 Like you can't do you can't do that. 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.480 So the most obvious statement is when a guy gets 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.280 beat up, a quarterback gets beat up, it impacts his throwing. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.520 Yeah, I mean, how can it not If you get 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:15.199 you know, CJ. 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.560 Gets sacked by somebody, even if they're just wrapping up 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:22.120 on your your arm and shoulder in that whole area 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:23.000 throwing the football. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:24.319 It all takes hits, It. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:31.440 Hurts, and it impacts your mechanics. So the simple math is, well, 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.640 don't let him get hit as much. Yeah, because if 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.520 you don't let him get hit as much, then he's 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.000 gonna be able to throw the ball and put it 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.000 on point as well as anybody in his league. He 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.520 has got accuracy that is top not when he is 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:51.120 given the opportunity to throw, and look, he can't, he 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:52.800 can't throw. He knows this, and he would he would 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:54.959 say this. He don't always throw from a clean pocket, 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.880 even when he's on the move. Now, like he made 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.320 it throw, they flipped the period, they went to a 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.080 red zone. I can't remember he threw a ball to 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.960 the back of the end zone to somebody today. He 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.000 made a little move to his right and just and 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.720 it was I mean it was one of those sammy 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.520 ball which I left I right eye sort of throws. 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.440 But again, you get into the season, you start taking 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.240 some hits and you know, twenty twenty four was sacked 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.000 how many times? Last year the sack number was better, 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:27.920 but he still was taking a lot of hits. They 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.640 hit against Denver obviously got him a concussion. The sole 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.560 goal for this offense should be if we keep him 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:38.320 from getting hit. This guy will take us places where 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.920 we all want to go. Watch him throw the damn 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:42.880 ball when he's got a pocket. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.200 It looks good. It looks damn good. And there are 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.320 more weapons than you think. And I'm gonna give you 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.920 another vander hit here. Okay, we've got a wr two. 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.000 Oh yeah, and he's gonna have a big freaking year. 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.840 Hagan's is gonna have a big year. We haven't seen 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.760 No yet because he's banged up. We haven't seen Tank 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.920 yet because he's ramping up. We've seen Higgins though, and 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.680 Higgins looks really good. He what a huge target. I mean, 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.280 he's a Nico type target. He's different than Nico. He 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.880 looks thicker to me, maybe a little bit, but maybe 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:14.600 I'm wrong about that. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:16.600 Ye Okay. 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.360 He can run fast. You said it, you were talking 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:24.000 about this yesterday. The speed, it's there, the hands, it's there. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.520 Six touchdowns. Last year, played better in the second half 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.480 than the first half. Let's see what year two looks like. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.680 I think it's gonna be a big year for Jaden Higgins. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:31.520 So let me ask you this. 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.760 Yeah, I just I think about this from time to time, 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.280 like knowing how close we are in the situation, how 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.680 close we are to like all these guys and watching him, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:39.720 et cetera. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.200 And it's really easy to see the good and. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.320 The players and try to like, eh, you know that 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.200 was you know a bad play was because of this, 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:51.120 this and this. Yeah, what do you think opponents think 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.920 about us? Like when they're facing the offense. I would 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.160 imagine that there's the opponents early on are like, look 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.360 this offense like, Okay, they're gonna have to prove it 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.560 to us that they're that good. But that means they'll 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.840 miss out on Higgins. I think they'll misevaluate that. I 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.800 think the good coaches in the good stats will see, 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.280 you know what a Collins is good, y'all. 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.120 But if we don't cover eighty one, we're gonna. 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.040 Have a lot of issues. Yeah, we're gonna have a 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:20.240 lot of freaking issues. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.600 And Schultz and guess what, you better bring some friends 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.880 to stop the running game. That's right, because if you 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.040 can obviously, if you can stop the running game at seven, 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.560 you're in a good situation as a defense. Right, But 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.400 I got a feeling that they're gonna get some yards here, 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.880 They're gonna be in controllable down in distant situations, they're 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.080 gonna be in second and five, they're gonna be in 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.640 those situations where they can cash in through the air. 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.480 And again, big targets, the tight ends, the two receivers big, 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.960 and then you get the playmakers with Nolan Tank and 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.640 look X had the one on ones. He had a 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.920 couple of catches that were so terrific, and then you 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.640 look at whatever else you know, Lewis Bond brings to 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.600 the mix. I don't even know if he makes the 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.560 initial fifty, but I got a feeling that he might. Yeah, 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.360 you know, we talked about the receivers the other day 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.800 and how many they might keep. So many guys to 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.240 keep your eyes on, so many guys who we're doing 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.720 all these interviews right now, and Shelby Koppage did one 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.520 today with Marlon Klein and she'll do another one tomorrow. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.320 And I was thinking, let's get some guys who we 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.359 know are gonna play a lot in the preseason, because 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.400 she's the preseason sideline reporter. Let's get those stories going 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.760 because preseason games, all right, maybe Game two you get 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.960 the starters playing more, but Games one and three we're 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.040 gonna see a lot of reserve, second, third, fourth line guys, 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.320 and those are interesting stories on those game broadcasts. 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.119 So we got to give to them no doubt. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:39.639 And again for a team where the stars are well known, Yeah, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.000 there's no doubt. The stars are well known, but it's 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.200 the depth that will that will help take this team 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.399 to another level this year. You know the secondary with 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.160 Jay Rock, Kamari Ramsey, you guys we talked about this morning, 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.680 Jalen Reed. You know guys in second year, rookie year 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.359 that have got to step up and be part of 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.199 that secondary if one of those stars goes down. Linebacker 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.200 Wade Wood, has Aiden Fisher, you know the young guys. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.840 You know Marte mop who coming over from New England. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.720 What's his role? How does he fit in all the 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.800 defensive linemen? My god, I was watching that whole rotation today, 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.480 Mark and they're they're the rotation. I mean, Clowney was 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.640 out there playing. It was he got like three pass 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.480 rushes because I think there were three passes the place 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.920 he was in there for a team. But then they 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.840 called for the second group and it was like these 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:25.520 four guys went in. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.240 I'm like, well, wait a second, Well these guys, holy cow. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:29.960 And you know who the ones are. 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.080 I mean it's Daniel and Will and you know at 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.280 one point they had Sheldon and Tommy with others moving 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.120 in and out with the second group third Like. 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.040 I'm just watching them and I'm like, holy crap. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.560 Oh, they have guys for days. They have defensive linemen forever. 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.520 They're gonna want to keep fifteen of these guys, It's amazing. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:48.919 Well it's like Rod Right took over his GM. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:53.680 Maybe we'll do that to wind Rod Right sign clowning sign, 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:54.640 Mario Edwards. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:55.600 I need these guys. 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.239 Well wait a minute, but you have a lot, no, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.360 not enough? Yeah, Rod Wright's the GM. 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.560 I think tomorrow would be a good day to talk 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:06.160 about the D line and start thinking about how many 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.760 they might keep, because you want to talk tough, they're 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.000 gonna have that is a tough position. 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.639 Is that the most loaded group on the team. Yeah, absolutely, 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:16.160 no question. 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:20.960 Getting I mean you talk about star power depth. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:22.440 I don't even know if they have a big enough 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.159 meeting room for how many guys they have right now. 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:28.600 Mark, I just you know they've got guy, they got 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.760 younger guys. I mean, obviously you throw came back in there, 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.000 and you know he's in there with the with the veats. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.679 You know, you forget about Caden McDonald and they drafted 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.280 him high. I mean, he's got to make the football team, right. 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:41.560 That's a lot of pressure to get these picks right. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.439 There's a lot of pressure off the pick when you 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:47.800 have such established veterans. This is a luxury problem. Seldom 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.560 in organization history have we seen this where well, you 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.119 drafted a guy in the second round, but is he 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:56.240 really good? What wait a minute, this is the second round, 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.600 this is automatic. Well, he's got to fit in. He's 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.920 got to make it, you know, and look the means 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:03.119 you got wrong. I guess. 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.840 So if he can't make it, I'm not saying McDonald's 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:07.159 not gonna make it. McDonald's gonna make it. 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.119 Okay, he's a hell of a player, hell of a prospect, 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.719 but you only have so many spots. My point is 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.760 that it's not an automatic that you're gonna start. You know, 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.720 when we started this rebuild with Nick Cassario on twenty one, 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:19.919 you draft a guy in the second round that's a 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:21.080 cornerstone pick. 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:22.480 Right day one, he's a starter. 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.400 Yeah, they won the twenty twenty one draft. You had 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.640 no first or second round, the third round picks, Well 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.200 they're still here, Davis Mills and Nico Collins. 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.480 They were cornerstone for this regime. 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.080 You type picks, and I'll throw Mills in there because 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:37.160 he started twenty five games, or only started three games 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:40.040 last year and they were so important. Anyway, Nick Cassario 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:41.760 will be on the show tonight in the form of 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.120 his visit with Payn and Pendergast and it was really good, 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.680 so we'll play some of that for you. And Keelan Rutledge. Wow, 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.000 what a camp he is having. He's learning a lot 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:51.800 on the fly and he was within the loops. So 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.600 we'll get to those conversations because they're really good. And 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:58.280 this is all about the Texans. It's Texans Radio all right. 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.080 Back to it here on Texans All Access from the 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:04.080 Hunday Texans Radio studio. Let's go back outside to this morning, 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.400 so we'll go back in time as in the loop. 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.120 Had Keelan Ruttledge on the show after practice, and man, 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.800 is this guy fun to listen to. He's fun to watch. 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.639 First round draft choice. Let's get to it. In the 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.680 loop with Keelan Ruttledge today the first pick for. 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.159 Your Houston Texans this year in twenty twenty six. They 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.600 call him Big Red. His name is Keelan Ruttlers. Was 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:24.920 having Kelan, how you loving brother? 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:25.760 Great? 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:26.880 You look it? 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.640 Yeah, appreciate it. Good to get out here on the grass. 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:30.240 So it's been good. 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.879 Hey, speaking of Big Red, this is apropos of nothing. 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:35.400 But it's more of a regional soda, Big Red. 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:36.600 You're familiar with it. 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:38.320 I've heard about it. I heard about the. 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:39.080 Big Red gum too. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:39.960 Yeah, Big Red gun. 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:40.840 I had a stick of that four. 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.040 But yeah, you gotta get some Big Red soda. It's 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:44.520 more of a Texas thing, but they have it in 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:45.400 the South some right. 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:46.040 Yeah. 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.600 Yeah, I's gotta get you some Big Red. Yeahs an endorsement, the. 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:51.159 Thing all for it. 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.280 The thing I'm wondering Keelan, is have have we gotten 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:56.160 you some more clothes? Or are you just gonna walk around Texas. 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:56.960 Like what are we doing? Yeah? 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:57.960 It's all Texans gear. 0:21:58.520 --> 0:21:59.080 Uh. 0:21:59.280 --> 0:21:59.480 You know. 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:01.840 It's a simple guy, so I don't need too much. 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:05.320 I respect that obviously. The big thing with you that 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:07.800 everybody's engaged with is hey, man, you're a guard, you 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.320 play at Georgia Tech, you're very good at it, and 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.320 then you're drafted and we're kind of all trying to 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:13.240 put you in at center. 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:14.480 For me. 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:17.280 I remember Cooper BB being drafted out of Kansas State 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:19.560 and him spending a whole bunch of time snapping. Even 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:21.560 they're talking about snapping to his mom. What have you 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.679 done in that offseason time? Getting getting better at like 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.480 the center portion of your responsibilities? 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.720 Oh yeah, my wife, Lauren, she's probably caught. 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.800 I don't know, one hundred and fifty snaps every single day, 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.360 just because that's muscle memory. Obviously, I you know, did 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:37.840 it a little bit at Tech here and there and practice, 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:38.560 has never done in a game. 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:39.640 Did a little bit at a Singer Bowl. 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:41.680 But to have your hand on the ball full time, 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.040 obviously to balk these dudes, it's a little different. So 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:46.720 you just need reps. And I mean, I think you know. 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:48.440 I'm a I'm a football player. Didn't play office the 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:49.760 line soil, I got a college show. I can play 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:51.199 any position. You tell me to go out there, I'm 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:52.960 gonna give all my effort and I'm figure it out. 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.120 So she dood kadience. Oh yeah, she. 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:56.600 Knows all the cadences. I said, you got to make 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:57.400 it sound like CJ. 0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:58.920 How did she do in John Gruden school? 0:22:58.960 --> 0:22:59.760 How would you should be? 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:00.000 All right? 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:01.840 She knows all the calls. 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.119 Yeah, I'm running through all my calls to her. 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:06.160 So she knows you know, she probably knows our base 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:07.880 protection pretty good. 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:10.600 Okay, So so high school sweethearts, I believe, right, yes 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.919 sir and recently married, yes, sir, last summer. But she 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:15.920 didn't sign up for that, did she? 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.680 She did? She did? 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:20.320 She loves ball. 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:23.080 She loves ball, so man, she's kind of comes from 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:25.600 a household that they love football. Grew up Georgia fans, 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.520 So you know, I'm not gonna hold that again. Yeah, 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.960 I mean try not to. But uh, she's not a 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:33.680 Georgia fan. Nomore, she's she she bleeds Golden White. But yeah, 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:36.399 I mean she loves football and she's she's all for you. 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.840 Mentioned she's taking snaps under the center as well. Does 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:40.080 she tape her fingers. 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:44.680 Or that's just that's a little bit more not I'm 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.000 not gonna say it's easier, but that's the shotgun snap 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:49.880 is what you really struggle with when you know you're 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.040 used to having your hand, come up and use your 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:52.520 right hand. 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:54.080 Now you can't use your right hand for a second. 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:55.399 So that's really what we focused on. 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:57.840 Actually, I'm curious that you brought that up because for 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.440 those of us on the outside looking in guard center, 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:02.600 they're right next to each other. Like, how different can 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:04.919 they be? Can you tell me in your experience or 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:07.520 early on, what are the differences between playing guard and 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:08.720 playing center in the NFL? 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:10.720 Yeah, I mean there's there's a lot of differences. 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:12.520 The good thing about how we, you know, try to 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.480 do our offensive line and how coach Pop's doing a 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:15.720 good job of kind of everything. 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:17.960 He wants to marry it the same the techniques, so 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:19.120 a lot of that's very similar. 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:21.359 But I mean, just with you having your hand on 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:23.560 the ball, you're in front of everybody, so you don't 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.600 have as much leeway. So you're on the guy now, 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:27.800 so you have to work about getting depth. Obviously you're 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:28.399 a square. 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:29.040 Stance, not a stagger. 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:31.119 And then like we talked about, you know, you're starting 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.840 to block with one hand all the time, especially when 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:34.879 you got a guy, and you know a lot of 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:36.679 these teams are smart. They want the nose to be 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:40.080 over the snaphand and get getting back on third downs. 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.600 Being able to get comfortable with that is like it's hard, 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:44.320 you know, when you're going left more so you're upset. 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:46.199 Lefts a little easier because you get to focus on 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:46.480 the snap. 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:48.480 When you're going right, it's like, hey, you gotta really 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.240 lock in on it because you need that right hand. 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:51.439 And that's just reps. 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:53.320 And I mean there's little differences by the end of 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:55.320 the day, Like I said's football. How physical you're gonna be, 0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:57.199 how tough you're gonna be. You know, you're assigning all 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.040 that stuff is what will separate you. 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:01.520 So you've been obviously very good at what you do 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.080 for a long time, all the way through college into 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:07.040 Georgia Tech, at the you know, at the Senior Bowl camp, 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:09.240 all that, you've been very good. You're a confident guy. 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:14.200 But I always get it tickles me talking to lineman 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.040 coming going from college to pro there is a moment 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:21.560 that inevitably, I've talked to guys for four decades that say, 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:23.359 you know what, there was this one play where I 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:26.359 realized I can do this, Like like because there's was 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:28.200 a little bit of in the back of your mind 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:30.840 like okay, now it's the NFL have you had that moment? 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:32.960 Yeah, I mean I've had a few those moments. 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:35.679 Ohtas was early because I mean you're not going as physical, 0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:37.600 but there's some physical moments and just climbing to some 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.359 linebackers feeling that or get movement on a you know, 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.919 three tech you're like, yeah, like it's football, Like the 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.800 guys are better you. Definitely there's there's reps where you know, 0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:48.280 in college, I look at it like even your bad 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:49.200 rep really ain't bad. 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:51.600 Yeah, you can have some bad reps at this level. 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:54.000 So I think that's the adjustment and just bouncing back 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:55.480 from those being like all right, it's gonna happen. Like 0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:57.359 that guy across from he's really good full player, what 0:25:57.400 --> 0:25:59.439 are you gonna do the next play? But I mean 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.199 there's definitely a lot of moments and OTAs, and then 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:03.000 as we put the pads on and really played football, 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:04.240 you get some momentsary like. 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:07.960 Yeah I could do this, And I have a feeling 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.119 that you don't struggle for confidence. You don't seem like 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.760 that like you're out here pushing up on disease. You're 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:14.800 getting physical with all these guys, Like where does that 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:16.560 come from? Where does is it just is it just 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:19.160 you know, real rural Georgia being that, Like, where does 0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.159 that energy in that confidence come from for you? 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:22.840 Yeah, I mean I think I just kind of I 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:24.560 play with the game with a certain kind of swagger 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:27.080 in my own way. Just I mean, I like to 0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:28.920 impose my will, like I like to go punch somebody 0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:29.320 in the face. 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.720 I mean, that's that's truly what I'd truly like to do. 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:33.960 So uh, I think when you kind of you want 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:35.600 to do that every play, like there's a sense of 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:37.800 confidence like I'm the baddest dude on the field every 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:39.320 time I step on the grass is how I feel. 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:41.320 So I think that's just kind of how I've always played. 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:43.480 I've always wanted to be competitor, always talked to a 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:44.960 little junk, always kind of played to the eck of 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:45.359 the whistle. 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:46.200 So that's just who I am. 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:47.919 So so I'll always be not trying to get you 0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:50.280 in trouble. But how literally when you talk about punching 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.280 someone in the face, because I've thought about it, like 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.160 who on the team would I want to go into 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.119 a bar fight with? And you're high up on the concord, 0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:59.399 have you had any instances where you had to you know, 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:00.960 throw someone out the club or something. No. 0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.640 I mean you know I was a knuckle ahead craig 0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.120 growing up. I've definitely gotten a fair fair fair share 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.239 of my fights. But uh, as you growed up, as 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:10.160 you matured, you know you can't do that. But that's 0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.040 why God bless me the ability. So I'm not here 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:13.439 to play football, so I can do it legally. 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:14.399 So it's great, there you go. 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.199 How long would it take you to kick my ass? 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:18.359 I wouldn't want to. 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:21.440 Like it. 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:25.040 I am a cool guy. But you know you went 0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:26.640 up and guess Daniel Hunter yesterday. 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:31.920 Yeah, I mean sure, you just football. You know you 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:33.639 believe the same kind of blood he puts on his 0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:34.439 shoes just like I do. 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:35.719 So I mean there's nothing to it. 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:37.159 Well, I want to get to that more as a 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.560 topic here as a question, because you have been described 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:41.840 as feisty. You've been doing that. You just said yourself, 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.680 I'm the baddest man on the field. How much better 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:45.240 does that make you? 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:47.440 I think it makes you completely when you have that 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.560 certain kind of confidence, like there's I'm not sitting here 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.280 and saying I figured it out because today got mya 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.639 Tell what one play like? You're that's gonna happen. But 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:56.520 I think that sense of confidence, like I know I 0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:58.199 can do this, and even when I get punched in 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.440 the face, I'm gonna punch you back. I think that's 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:02.560 just kind of I don't even know how to subscribe it. 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:04.120 It's just in there, it's innately in there. 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:05.720 So I think that's you know. 0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.760 You talk about that. I'm very curious because obviously you're 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.000 you're comfortable, but you also are comfortable with the idea 0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.520 that I don't know everything. When when questions come up 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:15.800 for you, who are you talking to? Is that the 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:17.720 guys that are next to you? Are you sending texts 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:19.199 or making sure that you catch them up to? Like 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.119 how are you asking those questions? And who are you 0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:22.040 going to for insight? 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.600 Oh, I'll go to any vet, anybody that's played a. 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:26.400 Snap in the National Football League. 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:27.840 I'm willing to take it all because I haven't put 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.240 a snap, like doing stuff on the grass out here 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.320 like it's great and I think I truly believe how 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.399 you practice tell you play, but I haven't done anything. 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.200 So it's like I'm talking to Wyatt all the time, 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:38.120 Jake all the time, Ed all the time. 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.960 Trent's been playing the NFL for a long time, a 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.240 lot of different places, so that there's so much technique stuff. 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:44.640 He can get away with a lot more stuff than 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.920 we can, for sure, because that's a different individual. But 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.120 you know, you're picking up from all these guys. Man, 0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.600 I'm willing to soak up anything anybody has to say. 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:54.959 I saw you talking with disease. Oh yeah, what was that? 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:55.120 Like? 0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:57.240 What was You don't have to give us all the details, 0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:58.720 but that had to be something that oh yeah, you 0:28:58.720 --> 0:28:59.360 know kind of helped. 0:28:59.440 --> 0:28:59.640 Yeah. 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:03.120 I just think, you know, similar similar how we were, 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.320 you know, brought up kind of cut from the same cloth. 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:08.600 He started at FAU, I started at Middle Tennessee. So 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.160 we we both kind of play with that chippy mindset, 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.400 like that underdog kind of mentality and just kind of 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:15.560 picking his brain about all sorts of stuff. And he's 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:17.000 been a great and since I came in the building, 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:17.840 he's been really really good. 0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:20.160 Best piece of advice on the field and off the 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:23.560 field that you've gotten to this point, m hm, you know. 0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:25.800 Best piece of advice on the field I'm still trying 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:27.080 to work on it is how to be a pro. 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.120 I think that comes with kind of how I got here, 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.320 I have to keep. But you know, there's a certain 0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.240 you play seventeen games in the NFL, and we're gonna 0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:38.040 play a lot more than seventeen. And I think taking 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:40.680 care of your teammates and you know, being that so 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:43.600 called prick but also having a line. I think that's 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:47.360 that's what I've learned. And then what was the other question? 0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:53.080 Best advice off the off the field talked to I've 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.120 talked to Wyatt just about you know, navigating like obviously 0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:58.400 he's married and kids and stuff like that, Like not 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:01.120 kids yet, none of that, but just you know, married 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:02.760 to my wife and one day I'll be a family man. 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:04.840 So just talking about stuff like that. You hear him, Jake, 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:06.840 all the guys have that. You kind of pick up 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:07.680 on advice for that too. 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.120 Very good you come in and I'm sure you know 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:13.080 the assignment. As the kids like to say, this offensive 0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:17.200 line needed help. They went and got you nastier. They 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:20.640 wanted that from you. And and one of the things 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:22.360 in the pre draft that Reggie and I were talking 0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:24.320 about before you were even drafted, we talked about you 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.560 a little bit. The way you go downfield, the way 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.920 it's not always normal I mean that nastiest and knowing 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.720 the assignment. How important is that for you to bring 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.000 even though as a rookie you to this line. 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.280 Yeah, I mean I think that's that's critical because like 0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:40.320 you got to take care of the biggs first, that's 0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:43.080 the most important thing. But getting up on the second level, 0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:44.920 that's how you spring big ones. That's how it's not 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.280 three and four yards and it's twelve thirteen and the 0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:50.120 twelve thirteen turns to twenty five thirty and your explosive 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:52.840 offense then, So I think obviously and also knowing how 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:54.960 those backers are gonna play, Like a lot of guys 0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:56.520 are athletic, but they can't play at the second level 0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:58.200 because they don't know how to marry up their feet, right. 0:30:58.240 --> 0:30:59.960 Give that to kind of my basketball up bringing, like 0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.040 closing out, like when you're switching to a two man, 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.360 you got to close out from playing center, like you 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:06.400 got to get your feet hot. 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:08.200 So I think being able to just that then go. 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:10.520 I think that's a lot of things that offensive linement, 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:12.680 like people take for granted at offensive linement, but can 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.200 make you a really good second level blocker. 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:16.440 You mentioned basketball, you play a little quarterback. 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.360 Too, didn't you just a couple plays, not too much. 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:20.000 Didn't play offensive line till I. 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:20.560 Got to college. 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.040 So growing up in reck ball play, some quarterback play, 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:24.720 some tight end running back did it all. 0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.640 And basketball to me And we've talked about this so 0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.520 important for offensive line. Yeah, how has that helped you? 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:30.760 Oh? 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:32.960 Shoot, it's helped me so much, just because being able 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.040 to mirror and you. 0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:37.160 Know, not to toot my own horn, but being more 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:38.720 athletic guy interior wise, being. 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:40.800 Able to slide side a side pull move like all 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:41.280 that stuff. 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.640 Man Like, that's contributed to basketball because a lot of 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.160 guys want to see wrestlers, and wrestlers are great. They 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.720 give you that leverage and that finish mentality. I didn't 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.000 really need that, that's already in me. God bless me. 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:53.800 That just kind of competitor I am. So the basketball 0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:55.280 helped me on that side to be a better athlete 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:56.000 when I already have that. 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.200 I want to talk about your coach, because every time 0:31:58.240 --> 0:31:59.960 we hear about Cole Papa, would you love them? But 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.040 I mean, uh, Brent Key. Brin Key is one of 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.800 those guys that is well respected around the college game 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:08.800 as an offensive line guy. How does Cole Popovich compare 0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:11.360 to brin Key in any way or am I am 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:12.200 I stretching too far? 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:12.440 There? 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:13.400 You're you're there. 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.560 Uh, very very very similar in a lot of ways. 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:22.440 Different personality wise, Keel keel pop a bust a smile 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:24.080 here and there, but Ke'll joke around with you a 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:27.160 little bit more. But I mean in terms of football, 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.760 it's all ball, it's all business. They want it done 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:31.800 a certain way and it's got to be done that 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:33.840 certain way. And it's not like it's just you know, 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:36.640 my way or the highway like, it's just like it works. 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:37.560 It works. 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.480 What he's teaching works, and all five guys being able 0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:42.600 to play the same set of eyes the same stuff 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:43.960 we did George check and that's the reason why we 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.240 were very very good in the trenches and being able 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:48.000 to run the ball and pass proteck and stuff like that. 0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:49.240 So very very similar. 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:51.840 I'm guessing you fall in line with most offensive lineman 0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:53.200 rather run block than past block. 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:57.480 Well, or that's a tough question because you win football 0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:01.120 games and third down a lot, But yeah, you'd much 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.080 rather push somebody in the face for you know, sixty 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.960 plays and drop back and protect for sure. But I mean, Pat, 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:08.400 you know, being able to protect a quarterback is paramount 0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:08.920 in this league. 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.080 Like you got to block the Neil Hunter. 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:13.959 And Will Anderson when there spiking, like you can't block them, Like, 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:15.640 but if you set up the run, then you can 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:16.719 alleviate some of that. 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:18.840 So let's try to run block. But they're both very important. 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:20.640 By the way, we got a text line where people 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.680 are texting and they're all like, I want to run. 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:22.960 Through a wall. 0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.800 You've got like the physicality, the nasty that you got, 0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:27.520 like it shows through. But one of the things I 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:29.320 kept trying to tell people is, hey, man, you go 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.320 to Georgia Tech. You gotta be smart, right, Like one 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:33.240 of the things I've said about your ability to transition 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:34.840 the centers, he went to Georgia Tech. You don't figure 0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:37.280 it out? Was I doing too much there or it was? 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:37.479 Was it? 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:39.600 It really was a tough academic self. 0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:41.880 Any I didn't have the I didn't have I wasn't 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:45.560 no mechanical engineer. But you got a I got a 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.479 degree from Georgia Tech. And yeah, I think what you said, Man, 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:50.280 figure it out. That's that's what you gotta do at 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.680 Georgia Tech. On and off the field. Just being able 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.000 to figure it out, like put in that extra work 0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:58.800 really honestly, how to study like you can't just you know, 0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:00.680 a lot of places you just you know, do this, 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:02.640 do that like you'll get a grade. Like you have 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:04.880 to do You got to actually put work into it. 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.360 And yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna see here and 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:08.680 act like I'm the smartest guy in the world. 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:09.399 But I can figure it out. 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:10.719 Like you said, I love it all right. One thing 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:12.440 I want to give you an opportunity to do you 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:13.960 have You've done a little bit of media. I'm not 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.360 trying to seem like you're you're not experienced, but is 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:18.200 there a question that you have for us guys that 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.440 get to do a little media in this way? 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:23.680 That's a good question. Kind of threw them on the spot. 0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:28.719 Question y'all guys got for me? Yeah, man, I got 0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:29.799 you asked me my favorite food? 0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:30.160 I don't know. 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.160 Okay, what do you like eating? Because you know, Houston's 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:36.840 a great food. You're in the right place. Have you 0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:38.080 have you gone anywhere that's been full? 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:38.680 I've been. 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:40.000 I've been to a lot of places. 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:40.320 Loupe. 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:43.200 There's there's one little hole in the wall spot and 0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:44.080 I'm blinking on the name. 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:45.799 Of course, when I ask you that question, where is it? 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:47.279 You can just say that your day keeping. 0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:47.840 That's fine. 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.280 No, no, no, no, no, everybody needs to go to 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:55.480 l LT Athlete. I think that's the one legit loved 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:57.920 it and there's another spot to went there once with 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:03.120 Aiden Fisher and Marlin wonderful, wonderful love Text Max Love Barbecue. 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:04.160 I'm in the right spot for you. 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:04.640 Really are you? 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:06.719 Really are? I gotta ask you one more because you know. 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:08.560 Real quick before you do that. You listening to kot 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:10.160 AM klt F MHD two. 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:14.360 Houston in the Legal Sports station. Yes, uh so I 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.720 grew up. You talk about your background and as he'sa's 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.040 background and I know, I think I know that you 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:20.439 spend a lot of time at the Boys and Girls 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.160 Club and then you do an event recently with the 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:26.120 with the Boys and Girls Club. How does that form 0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.520 what you are? You know, growing up where. 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:29.319 You have it's tough. 0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.000 Yeah, it shaped everything in me. 0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:34.640 I mean just the mentality wise, like I didn't grow 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:36.600 up with a silver spoon in my mouth, like it 0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:38.759 was me my mom my whole life, bouncing around place 0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:40.759 to place, you know, living with anybody that will give 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:41.640 us a roof over our head. 0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:42.799 So I think that kind of. 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.279 Desire, that drive. I put it all into sports, all 0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:46.399 into sports, and that's all I had. 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:47.640 That was the outlook for my life. 0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.640 That's kind of you know, for good and bad, because 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:52.279 there was a lot of good bad moments. When you 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.320 put everything, all your eggs in one basket, you know, 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.480 you like, like I've learned and matured, you got to 0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:57.360 have other. 0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:59.080 Things, which you know, Lauren has been great for me 0:35:59.160 --> 0:35:59.400 for that. 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:01.440 But I think that's shape. That's the reason why I'm 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:02.800 here today. I wouldn't I wouldn't try. 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:03.040 It for the world. 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.680 I mean, your wife also crucial in helping you get 0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:07.640 over what was a tragic accident. I mean, like it 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.080 seems like you've got all the all the things in 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.000 the world that you've overcome. Switching the center can't be 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:12.600 too hard, can't it. 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.879 It's just it's a there's a lot of stuff I've 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:17.080 been through in my life that are a lot lot 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:18.080 harder than playing. 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:19.680 You know, the position with the ball in your hand. 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.400 Yeah, no reason to feel sorry for yourself now, hey man, 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:23.359 appreciate it, sir. 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:24.759 Yeah, there is big red. 0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:26.200 Do you like you like it when people call you 0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:26.640 big Red. 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:27.239 Is there is? 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.560 So we have a equipment manager, Tyler. He's big Red. 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:33.680 So I've kind of gave him the Big Red. He's 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:34.440 he's the big Red. 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:36.240 I'm big rut rut Red. 0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:38.120 Anything they want to redheads. 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.080 There's a lot of I'm not a I'm not a 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:41.160 particular you call me anything. 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:44.160 As long as long as we were talking about you, 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.600 I imagine didn't call you anything. All right, Keilan, we appreciate 0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:48.279 you sitting down with this. It's been great. 0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:48.640 All right. 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.040 There was in the loop with Keelan Ruttledge had to 0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:53.640 play that because it's so good coming out the best 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:56.680 of Nick Kassario, who was on with Paint and pendergast 0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.239 Man the six ten guys really helping out do with 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.520 the show tonight love it. It's Texans All Access. In 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:05.960 tonight's final segment, let's get to this Pain and pendergast 0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:07.280 That would be Seawan and Seth. 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.920 In the morning this morning. 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:12.640 Caught up with executive vice president and general manager Nick 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:16.200 Cassario field side at training camp. We got up with 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.799 Mike Toleman. We had the McNair's on yesterday. It's been 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.360 a great trading camp so far. With all these interviews, 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:25.080 but let's Eves drop on that conversation between the guys 0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:25.880 and Nick Cassio. 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.520 It's great to see as always Nick, So let's let's 0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:29.840 get into it here before we get into all the 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:31.880 stuff we've seen on the field. Big news for Texan 0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:33.719 fans the last day or so it has been Gedevian 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:34.680 Clowney coming back. 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:35.719 Take us through that. 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:38.160 What made this the right time for JD to return 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:39.080 to the Houston Texans. 0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:41.040 Yeah, we kind of worked through the springing there a 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:44.160 little bit, you know, that kind of a third end 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.480 spot was an area that we probably felt we were 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:49.759 going to add it some point. You know, Derek did 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:51.640 a good job for us in that role, had conversation 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.759 with him, so just kind of keeping track of the market. 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.560 Who are the players that are in that category? Feel 0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.120 pretty fortunate, you know with Will and Daniel, and then 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:00.120 I would say Dylan. 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:01.160 Has had a good role for us. 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.360 And then we signed Dominie Robinson who's had a pretty 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:04.840 good training camp here. So it kind of brings a 0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:07.239 little bit different element. But that was an area we're 0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:09.520 kind of looking at some players that maybe potentially could 0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:11.880 fill that role, and you know, JD was a player 0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.960 who we had some conversations with initially, maybe it was 0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:17.400 a little bit later in the Springs last summer, and 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:19.120 then we kind of kind of kind of kept in 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.000 contact with his agent over the course of the summer, 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.439 and then there at some point there was some level 0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.840 of mutual interest. He obviously had a lot of interest 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.240 from some other teams. I think there's some other teams 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.239 that were involved, but it kind of worked out. I mean, 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.080 it says a lot about Jadavion, the fact that he 0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:36.920 wanted to be here, wanted to be around some of 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:40.160 the things that we're doing. We didn't overlap and when 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.919 I wasn't here when Jadavion was here previously, haven't played 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:45.920 against him multiple times, know how big of a pain 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.080 in the ass that he was. But and he's still 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.839 shown the ability, whether it's in Dallas, Baltimore, Carolina, these 0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:54.720 different stops, he still brings some positive qualities to the table. 0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:56.560 So we'll get started with him today. He'll be out 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:57.960 here practicing what kind of see how it goes. 0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:00.319 I think that the thing with Javon Clowney that going 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.960 back to when he was here is I get frustrated 0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.000 on his behalf, partly because at least part of the 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:08.360 narrative about him is like, and I still get people 0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:10.399 saying to me now, like, well, he doesn't play hard. 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:14.200 I'm like, he plays hard and he has since he's 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:16.919 a rookie. And I don't know why people haven't picked 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.719 up on that other than that they're just looking at 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:23.480 stat lines or whatever. But he's he's. 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:24.439 Got a swarmy element to his play. 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:28.280 He's always played hard and he's disruptive with his snaps. 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:30.719 And even when we were playing against the Texans when 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:32.719 I was in New England, you know they're front. You 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.360 know he had jj you know you had JD was 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.240 a part of it, merciless and they'd move JD around 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.880 some different spots and put him over to guard. I mean, 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.880 he was really difficult to block. So he's got a 0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:46.120 unique seel set, his length, and he's got real good 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:49.319 straight line speed. He does have toughness and to your point, 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:51.799 set he plays with good effort. I'm not really sure 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.560 because he runs well. Yeah, so the ability to close 0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:58.040 space and close from behind, so we feel and the 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.480 reality is, whoever walks into a building, whoever walks in 0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:03.720 that defensive meeting room, if you don't. 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:04.640 Play hard and compete. 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.399 You're probably not gonna last very long. 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.640 And that's one thing about you Know, I said this offseason, 0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.000 if I were a free agent defensive lineman who wasn't 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.200 happy with the offers that I was getting, I would 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.719 I would fly to Houston and park myself in front 0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:18.799 of Dimico's office and just say I want to play here. 0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:20.160 And I like. 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.040 I think rod Wright does an incredible job as a 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:24.920 defensive line coach. I think Burke and Demiko do an 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:28.239 awesome job and just creating an environment where you come 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.719 here and you guys have this tendency to get the 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.280 best out of defensive lineman. Are you are you starting 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:37.120 to get the feel for this being a destination or 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.640 a guy like Dominie Robinson perhaps can look at multiple 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:41.799 plays and say, man, people go to Houston and they 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:42.880 tend to they tend. 0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:43.799 To do pretty well well. 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:45.839 I think we're fortunate that people want to come here 0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:47.640 and be a part of our program. And it really 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:49.799 starts with the players, because ultimately we can message it 0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:52.680 and obviously there's a standard of performance that to expect 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:54.279 the day to day. It starts with Demiko and then 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:58.600 defensively trickles down to Matt rod right, you know, Billy Davis, 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:02.520 Dino Steven, even Frank Oakum too. I mean Frank works 0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.000 at the defensive line. So but ultimately, the players are 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.799 the ones that hold themselves accountable. So in the end, 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.520 player accountability is the best accountability. Like you can do 0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:14.280 only so much as a coach and try to message, 0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:16.800 but if the players don't go out there and perform 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.120 that to that level and do the things that you 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:20.759 want to do, ultimately it's not going to work. So 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:22.799 it's really it's a credit to the players and they 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:24.960 see I mean you watch practice. I mean there was 0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:27.759 a play Demiko showed yesterday was a small thing, but 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:30.239 talk about finishing closing to the ball. I mean his 0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:33.279 e's must have run like forty yards to track the ball. 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.400 He was in the line of scrimmage and that was 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.319 the end of the play and he was sprinting to 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.920 finish on the ball. So when you see a player 0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:42.359 like Aziz do that and then Kamari shows up around 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.680 the ball, so there's a trickle down effect. So you 0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.439 really don't have a choice, and if you don't do it, 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:48.440 you become an outlier. 0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:50.440 Yeah you're yeah, you're a black sheep. 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:54.080 Yep, Texan's executive vice president and general manager Nick Casario 0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:57.319 joining us here live at Texans training camp. To that end, 0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.920 how much has Keilan Rutledge shown up finishing play in 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.439 the tape in the offensive line room, because we've seen 0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:04.320 a lot of that out here. 0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:06.319 He shows up every day and you saw that at 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:08.080 Georgia Tech. That was one of the things that was 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:11.680 appealing about him. He has a certain mentality, in a 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:15.160 certain playing style, and it's reflective of how we want 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:17.400 to play, and it showed up. I take Wanta for 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:19.520 the first or second day of practice, even when we 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.840 were in shorts. When you're in shorts, there's only so 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:25.000 much you can do, but you're trying to get it's 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.640 more assignment football, but you know there's gonna be some 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:29.800 contact to some degree. And I think I can't remember 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:31.600 what happened. It was the end of a play him 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.759 and disease, and then Kamari got in there, so you know, 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:36.880 and Keelan wasn't backing down and he's not going to 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:37.959 back down, which is. 0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:38.680 What you want to see. 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.319 So you want to tow the line because you're we're 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:44.160 gonna play clean, hard football. You just don't want to 0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:47.000 go over the line. But the notion of finishing plays 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.040 was something that we want to be able to do 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.040 as a football team, and that message, I would say, 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.520 each day is emphasized. And then when you see it 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:57.000 show up on tape and on the field, it kind 0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:58.680 of reinforces the decision that you made. 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:01.959 It does it even augment the message to the rest 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:03.360 of the room a little bit. If this is a 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:05.640 guy who's in his sixth practice today, you know, and 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.520 he's the guy we're showing up here finishing these plays. 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:10.279 Well, this is the standard and this is behavior. So 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.239 this is what we're going to reinforce, good or bad. Hey, 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:15.360 here are some things that are the positives. I mean, 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.600 Demiko does a great job of going through practice and 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:19.279 highlighting Hey, here are some of the things that we 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.000 did well. Here's some areas that we can improve. But 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:24.680 we're not gonna coach like we shouldn't have to coach 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.399 effort and toughness and physicality. Our job is to find 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.160 players that have those qualities and then when you get 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:32.800 on the football field, like there's an opportunity to play physical. 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:34.840 When I'm watching the offense, I'm trying to you know, 0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:38.560 I did. I always remind myself, Okay, look, if if 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:41.400 this is a combined practice versus the LA Rams, the 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.920 Texans defense is gonna get there, They're gonna make some plays, 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:47.360 and that you can't judge. Like yesterday, you know, the 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.600 offense had some bad plays, but they like they also 0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:51.720 had some good plays, and so I tried to compare 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.600 the offense to where they were in training camp last year. 0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:57.920 It feels like with the offensive line and the tight ends, 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:00.760 it just feels like it's a clean in your operation. 0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:03.359 And it's hard to judge. Sometimes you know in camp 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:05.600 how far a run would have gone, but I know 0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:09.880 that it it just looks better and it looks more uniform, 0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.279 and it looks like guys are moving in lockstep better 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:13.120 than they were last year. 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:14.360 Is that Has that been your impression? 0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:14.600 Yeah? 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:16.200 I think what you want to see in practice, there's 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:18.160 gonna be give and take. The defense is going to 0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.120 make some plays, the offense is going to make some plays. 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:23.560 Hopefully you're learning from one another. I would say there's 0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:26.920 a lot of communication. You can see. We want to 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.520 encourage the communication because really, what you're trying to do 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:31.880 offensively on the front, you're just trying to get the 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:35.359 blockers distributed appropriately, So make sure we're we talked about 0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.680 the hat on a half and it's just simple as 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.760 just okay, I have to block Sean. Make sure everybody 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:42.160 knows that we're working to Sean. 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.120 All right, are you going to find a block? 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:47.520 It's a difficult, A lot of people questions, a lot of. 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:48.479 People on social media. 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:51.000 Seven years, but I think what we've been able to do, 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:54.240 there's multiple examples of being able to get plays started, 0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:57.120 and ultimately the running back is going to have to 0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.920 deal with a free player, whether it's a perimeter player 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.840 at the corner or even a second level player, So 0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:05.000 there's going to be a free player at some point. 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:06.600 Knowing who the free player is and so the back 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:09.719 understands that. So overall, the group has worked really hard. 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:11.600 There's a lot of communication and we're just trying to 0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.400 string positive plays together and try to eliminate the negative 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.440 plays and just kind of get plays started. And if 0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:18.279 we do that, then hopefully we can just move the 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:19.000 ball down a field. 0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.080 I know you've been asked about the offensive line about 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:22.759 you know, is there a certain point where you want 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:24.720 to find the five? You know, it's five best guys 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:29.080 all those things. This This is about as fluid a 0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:30.799 group as I can remember in terms of how you 0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:33.239 guys are mixing and matching in training camp, to the 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.440 point where you know, we joke about how you know 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.240 he's the media. We got to kind of say buttoned 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:38.799 up as to who's on the depth chart and things 0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:40.920 like that. It's almost impossible to report anything because you 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:42.440 guys are doing so much shuffling around. 0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:45.560 Do you and Demiico? After each practice? 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:47.279 Is there some element of like, Okay, if we had 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:49.279 to play a game on Sunday, this would be our five. 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:51.200 I'm not asking you to say who they are, But 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.680 how does that evaluation evolve over the course of training camp? 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:56.680 Sure, you talk about it every day. Look at what's 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.600 going on in practice. Okay, are we getting the players 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:01.960 the right reps in the appropriate spots or you know what, 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:03.319 maybe we need to see a little bit more of 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.480 this player in this spot. I mean, I think if 0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:07.280 we had to play a game today, like we feel, 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:10.200 we could play with nine or ten offensive linemen and 0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:12.799 be able to go out there and play competitively. So 0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.360 sometimes you don't really notice the difference between the groups. 0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:17.640 We're shoffing a lot of people in there, So Okay, 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:19.920 here's the first group that goes on the field. Okay, 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:21.600 then here's the next grip that comes on the field. 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.279 Sometimes you don't see a market difference, and sometimes there's 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:26.520 plays where maybe the second group looks a little bit 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.480 better in the first group. So in the end, we're 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:30.400 just trying to figure out, all right, who are the 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:31.160 five best guys. 0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:32.719 We're certainly not there yet. 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.960 But we feel pretty comfortable that there's nine or ten 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.080 players that we have to put on the field and 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.560 play a game tomorrow. We feel like we could at 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:41.440 least be competitive as an overall group. 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:43.480 All right, there's some of the best of the conversation 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:47.680 between Sean Pendergast and Seth Payne and Nick Cassario, Executive 0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:51.000 vice president and general manager. The entirety of the conversation 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:53.320 is available on the Odyssey. 0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:54.040 App, so check that out. 0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:56.200 That's going to do it for tonight's show tomorrow back 0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:58.800 at Camp Live at the Houston Methodist Training Center. 0:46:59.080 --> 0:46:59.720 Can't wait. 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:02.160 Shawn had said that six, Johnny and I had eight 0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:04.760 in the loop at ten. Let's do it Area forty 0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:06.960 five coming your way next, Go Texans.