WEBVTT - Some Time With... Whit Hertford! (Part 2) 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:04.960 Mm hmmmm. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.040 Welcome to part two of our interview with wit Hertford 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:26.400 a k a. Duck Face, a k a. Stephanie's secret boyfriend. So, 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.080 without further ado, here's witt People, always as. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:31.640 You do, you want to hear this anecdote? 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:33.920 I know, I'm kind of like, that's the point. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.839 Please please lead, because some days my brain can't follow myself. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:43.480 Do you remember this on the Friday take that first 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.960 episode we had. I've said this on other podcasts, so 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:52.800 this is like my full house. Uh so why would 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:58.360 I not bring it to the you know, big we 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:00.000 we had like banked some hours. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.720 Yeah, yeah, you do that right, right, and like like 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:06.920 banked school hours. I'll explain that to our audience a 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.080 little bit like banking. Banking school hours is like you 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.759 have to have a certain amount of school hours every day, 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.839 but there are some things that you can do where 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.160 if you know the following day you're going to have 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.240 a really crazy schedule or it's a tape day or whatever, 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.240 and you have chance, a chance maybe earlier in the 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.200 week or the day before, you can get in an 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.160 extra couple of school hours so that it will you'll 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.200 get all of the work done that you need, it's 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.480 just not on that particular day. So that's when we 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.560 say banking hours, it's you're kind of putting away hours 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.720 in the school bank of the exact hours that you 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.840 need to get every week. So anyway, a continue perfect. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.040 So then what was the teacher's name? What was her name? 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:48.560 Adria? 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.400 That was it. Yeah, she was like, we're going to 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:55.920 do homec today and we baked banana bread. 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.720 Yes, yes, we used to. I remember we used to 0:01:59.720 --> 0:01:59.920 do this. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.919 I'm going to say this to you for the books. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:04.600 I don't think I said this to you when we 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.800 met before. Maybe I did. That was the most romantic 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:12.320 moment of my life. Maybe still is. Maybe still is making. 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.720 Banana breadet Oh my god, I love it. And k 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:16.760 keen It's true. 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.239 We were basically we were we were having our own 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:20.520 Hallmark rom com. 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:21.200 It was. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.399 It was a documentary. It should have been a documentary. 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.080 And then when I got in my mom's minivan after 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.320 the tape to go home and drive back to Agora, 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.720 cried like a babe, heartbroken because I was like, I'll 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:37.440 never see it again. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.560 Okay, you two should have gotten married. Add that to 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.400 your married and divorced. Add that to your tally. 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.880 Right, yeah, right, oh documentary, let's go. 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:48.600 Oh my god, there is so set. 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.519 And then to know that you came back for two 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:52.480 more episodes. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.000 Oh, and I had to play it so cool, Like 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:55.880 in my brain. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.240 I was gonna say, what was what was that like 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.000 like when you when you found out you were coming 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.760 back for a couple more episodes, And it really was 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.680 because people fell in love with the character, like you 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.360 did such a great job that the writers and the 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.480 audience was like, we need more of this character and 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.480 of Stephanie and him uh and I just loved their 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.920 dynamic that Steph finally was like yet, no, you guys 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.880 are not You're not doing this Like I I was 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.239 so proud of Steph in that moment. So what was 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.280 it like for you when you sure were like, oh 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:25.480 my god, I get to come back and do this 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:26.440 a couple more times? 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.720 Thrilled, like you get addicted and it's that whole Hollywood 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.760 thing where it is a it's a bit of a 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.960 full goal because you're you do like episodes two three, 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.240 I think I'm an end up to between three and five. 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.040 Yeah, it was more than was it three? It's three? 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:49.840 It might have been, And that you think it's then forever. 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.840 That's what you know, Hollywood, You're like, oh, this is forever. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.560 That's why whenever people go I'm going to get on 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.680 a series, it's going to be great, it's like for 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:02.440 that time. My middle sister was on a network TV show, 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:09.720 not a great one, for like five seasons and it 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.240 was her life. And when that stopped because it was 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.000 so all encompassing. I think she did like American Beauty 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:18.800 or something like a bit in that movie. But then 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.720 she she retired and she's never done it again, which 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.760 is a bummer because she's actually and I've said this already, 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:30.160 she's so so, so so funny, but she was. Yeah, 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.680 she was worn out because it was like life was 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.520 a little to stop start. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.840 Right, So I do. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.240 I remember my parents sort of always reminding me, not 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:41.839 in a way of like you're gonna lose this and 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.960 you should freak out, but like the reminder of this 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:50.520 is so amazing right now, but remember like, this isn't forever. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.680 There will come a time when this will you know, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.400 and you can't really prepare for it. But it was 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.080 a conversation that they always had, which was there will 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:00.680 be life out sight of this. 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:01.920 There will be life. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:03.080 Good for that after this? 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.600 Damn like that too? 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.520 Yeah they did. They were very good about saying, Okay, 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.680 this is your Hollywood life and then this is your 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.400 normal life. But that's hard to grasp as a kid 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.200 because you don't think too long term as a kid. 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:19.560 Just think about what am I going to do today 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.440 and tomorrow. So I didn't really get it until Fuller House, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.840 until thirty years later, and I was like, oh, this 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.960 was this is so special and so fleeting. It's like 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.400 lightning in a bottle and we're going to capture it twice. 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:33.280 And that's so can we talk? 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:34.560 Can we talk about that show? 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.840 Let's talk about that show, Fuller Why didn't we invite 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:39.760 Why didn't we talk about? Why didn't we get you 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.760 on Fuller House? That seems I can't what very rude. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:43.880 Why didn't we do that? 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:45.000 Why didn't that happen? 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.560 I don't know. But if I came in with tattoos 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.680 and earrings as duck Face, how dope would that? 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.080 That would have been so amazing? 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.080 It was like duck Face Duckfest found is like. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.680 Duck Face found his grewed you know, yeah, right? Or 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:01.200 we find out we find. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:02.840 Out I think I was in London. I think when 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.159 you guys started, I was in London. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.280 Maybe that way, maybe that was it, because I do 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.400 know we like we went out to everybody that we 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.920 went out to, like everybody that had been in the 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.080 I don't know that we would not have gone to 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.520 duck I'm calling John as I'm gonna call Jeff right 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.080 now and complain. We're gonna have to go back and 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:21.880 reshoot a couple of episodes of the season. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:22.840 Let's get back to. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.960 What I was gonna say, is is I think what 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.520 happened is is that duck Face, much like Steph, they 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.640 both became They both traveled the world and became DJs. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.680 It was DJ Tanner, which was me and DJ Duckface, 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.839 and they sort of operated in the same circles like 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.560 Innibitha and all these places, you know, where they were 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.960 like in their little party life or whatever. But it was, 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.920 you know, it was the kind of nothing ever really happened. 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.600 But now they're both back in San Francisco and and 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.680 I think that's where we see things take off. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.960 This is great, you yeah, it's great. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.599 We're shooting in my garage next week. Here we go, guys. Yeah, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:02.880 I'll start painting backdrops. 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:03.440 Now, do you. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.600 Remember that when we when that last time I thought 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.760 about doing a sketch with you that my friend had 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.200 written yes for. It was like when Funnier died first. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:15.080 Yeah, it was what did we wind up doing it? 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:16.679 Or we know? We didn't? What happened? 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:22.280 No? We no, we did, No, we never ended up. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.480 The producer shut it down for some reason. But I remember, Yeah, 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.720 my friend Matt, who's on Breaking Bad, he was very 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.720 excited about the idea. And I do I think like 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:34.600 there was a I. 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.440 Think there's definitely something there. So you let me know. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.680 You let me know, come see my check off. Let's go, 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:41.640 let's go figure it out. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.680 I am coming to see your chek Off. I'm so excited. 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.440 Vanna is such a great and I I also love 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.480 Chekoff always such intensity. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.640 And let's let's be nerds about it. How did you 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.080 find out about checkof? I'll talk about this. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.360 I mean I took I mean, I did acting class, 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:56.880 I did I went to a musical I was a 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.920 performing arts student. I did musical theater. I did you 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.760 know of all sorts of musical theater history? And I 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:04.840 you know, and I'm also a nerd so I like 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.440 to read, and I like to do a lot of stuff. 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.160 I won't I won't be labored. But yeah, there was 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.640 a part of my grad degree in London where we 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.560 went to Moscow for sixteen and I was one of 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:21.240 the older directing students and so nobody liked me. So 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:25.480 I traveled around Moscow not reading a lick of cyrillic 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.680 and just was up to my neck in snow and 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.960 I loved it. And I went to his house in 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.079 the country and played his piano and it blew my 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.839 mind apart. So I have directed four of the major 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.960 works that I've adapted, and adapted all of them. 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:45.040 Wow, okay, yeah, you you, you take the you win, obviously, 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:46.720 I know, just a little bit here and there. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.239 I just I think it's so amazing that you really. 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.440 Tried so many new things like and and and didn't 0:08:55.559 --> 0:09:00.280 let anything stop you. I mean, sounds like you had 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:04.240 a pretty incredible journey, my friend traveling the world theater 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:05.320 London and took. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.880 You to England. What what where did that come from? 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:08.760 Theater? 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.800 You're going to do well? I So at the end 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.079 of my second tour of duty here, I was really 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:21.679 disenchanted with being submitted for like horse jockeys and stuff 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.320 for coke commercials. Literally that happened one time and I 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.440 went into a big waiting room that was all little 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.120 people in me and they looked at me like I 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:34.040 was the Like they were like, get out of here. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.559 This isn't for you. And I kind of was like, yeah, 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.880 you're right, it's not for me. And I called my 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.160 agent and I was like, can you guys get creative? 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:45.400 Not submit me for just physical descriptions because I'm an actor? 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.520 Can you get creative anyway? So I then got disenchanted 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:54.840 and was My family all migrated up to Utah, and 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.160 so I was at my parents' house over the holidays 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:02.200 a decade ago and they were like, all right, what's next? 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.000 I don't know. My mom goes, you should apply for 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.640 graduate school, and I was like, yo, I'm in my 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.800 late thirties. Me being in a room full of actors, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.760 I'd be a nightmare. I would not be a fun 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:19.000 person to be around. And she went, no, stupid, you 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.880 should apply for directing. You've always been a director. And 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.320 I thought of my dad, who pass around I was ten. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:30.360 Was this guy I look a lot like him? And 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:35.520 his death sort of completely changed our entire life family trajectory, 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.800 and I went, maybe that's right, and I remember my 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.040 mom was like, you can be your own mayor and 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:47.680 go do it. So I applied for grad school, but 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.440 only a handful, and like four or five of them 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.640 were in the States, and then there's one in England, 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.840 and I was like, very not wit. I kept my 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.720 mouth shut and I was like, I'm not gonna tell 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.080 anyone that that's my sweetheart pick at all, and it's 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:05.480 just going to be a thing that I'm gonna I'm 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.800 gonna kind of cross my fingers. And then I got 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.199 in and the way I got this is a fun story. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:14.600 I'm in the interview with the rep from the school 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.000 and we're sitting forward and he's very English and I'm 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.120 wearing like a suit and mint socks. I look really proper. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:26.160 And he goes, all right, witch, so why you and 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:30.480 why this school? And I went, look, man, I don't 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.439 know how a fancy reason for you. My full name 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.600 is would be flint Hertford and if I don't live 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.160 in the UK. At some point in my life I've 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.320 slapped Fate in the face and he stood up and 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.120 he hugged me, and that's how I got into drag school. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:49.000 That's amazing, that's amazing, what an approach. Well, but what 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.960 that shows is is. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:55.840 Thinking on your feet, improv humor, self efficacy, humor, you know, 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.400 like so I mean in that one response or like 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.640 so many things, honesty, you're like, look, I don't have 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.720 a fancy, like all of the things that probably a 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.520 college recruit would be like this person would make for 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:05.360 a really great student. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.960 And again thematically coming back to like give zero, I 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:13.640 think that that's where that really started, because you know, then, 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.640 I remember our first assignment was just to direct some 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.280 Shakespeare scenes with the with the BA students. Everybody did 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.480 pretty kind of straightforward, and I was given Henry the 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.240 Fourth and I read it and I had not read 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.200 this particular scene between this like he seemed like a 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.720 cop and his you know, barefoot and pregnant wife. I 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.240 was like, this is Tennessee Williams. This isn't Shakespeare. And 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.680 so I had my actors do verse Shakespeare with Southern 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.440 dialects as though it was a Tennessee Williams play. So 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.200 I started off being weird as hell, and it kind 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.800 of is like where that's where I operate. That's how 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:51.120 it goes. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.240 What a fascinating choice. I mean making interesting choices, that's all. 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.880 I remember acting teachers and directors always saying make an 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:03.360 interesting choice. The fits, but make but do but do 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.400 an interesting choice. Do something that's a little bit left 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:07.520 of normal. 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:12.520 Right right. And I remember on Day's podcast he was 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:16.719 asking me about the guy on set that was sort 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.480 of like the acting cork. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:19.160 Yeah. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:27.000 So awesome, right, so awesome. I remember that, like he 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.440 figured out the lifts thing and I kind of just 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.760 mimicked it and then I just ran with it and 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:40.520 the whole like take my glasses off. He kind of 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.040 enabled me to I remember that literally that he enabled 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:45.600 me to like make ould choices. 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:46.800 Yeah, I love it. 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:48.680 Yeah, he really, that was He was one of the 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.200 first people that was like do something, you know, like 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.200 be go for it, try this, try something funny. 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:55.320 And he was so great with us. 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.600 And I was going to wear these to like to 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.640 like make it feel kind of but those look. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.880 Great on you? They really do? You know, like you 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:08.679 look great? Those are not? I know that you look fabulous. 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.000 I would I would. Yeah, you look also on glasses 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:12.760 in honor. 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.240 Of I don't wear I'm sorry, I don't wear glasses 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.440 yet I'm on the I'm trailing behind, but I'm sure 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.520 at some point and it'll happen thirty minutes. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:23.960 I'm not bad eyesight. My whole life. When I was 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.280 a little kid, I had to do this thing, I 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.800 had like a patch. Oh and then over it like 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.520 I look like a really. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.920 Like, well that was where the uh, that was where 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:39.880 the pirate started. Really, that was where you're the pirate 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:42.880 actor guru stage started. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:44.920 That's right, you've just. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:46.080 Been perfecting it for all the time. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:47.320 True. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.440 Now, of course we would be remiss if we did 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.160 not mention other things that you have been in Jurassic Park, 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.720 Nightmare on Elm Street, family man. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.160 I mean you've done You've been. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:12.560 A voice, actor, a writer, producer, director, musician, so many things. 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:18.520 You are a renaissance man. But no, but you're you're 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.520 an awesome creative human being. But what has been your 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:27.960 favorite thing that you've done in any realm create which 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.600 might is probably hard to pick, but like top top 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.520 experience for you creatively that you've really been, like, this 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:38.000 is what feeds my soul? 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:44.240 Good question? I mean recently, when I get recognized in 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:49.200 Trader Joe's for my karaoke week and my karaoke efforts 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:56.240 and work. That's very exciting. But you know, I think 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:00.200 that this this Greek play because I hadn't lacked in 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.280 a long time. And what I wrote that this Oedipus 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.360 into tick anything we did a couple of years ago. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:12.360 The actress had never done any theater, but she again, 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:16.560 I got her through my workshop and she well, she 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.720 done some short films and modeling or whatever, but she 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.200 was just like that alien where I was like, I 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.120 think I can give you text and you're gonna embody 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:28.280 it and it's going to be so easy. And she 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.960 was curious about it, and I told her, look, Antimmy 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:35.320 speaks for seventy five minutes. Wow. By herself, she was fine. 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.480 She was a great team partner. And what happened with 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.960 me through that process, why, I think it was kind 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.160 of you know, when you worked with Spielberg, that's that's 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.760 cool as hell. That's to two days to change your life. 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.560 And he was very normal. But you know, it's it's 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.080 not about really processed there. You just try not to 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:57.560 screw up. And with Oedipus, first of all, I couldn't 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.400 find a sixty five year old man to do what 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:04.920 I wanted that character do, which is you know, he's blind, 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:11.760 he's grieving. It's really rough, there's nudity. I couldn't find 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.400 a sixty five year old male actor, shockingly that wanted 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.600 to do all that stuff. And so the antigony is 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.600 she went, look, bitch, you're old, why don't you play it? 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.080 And I was like, okay, I guess I am now 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:32.239 dad adjacent, right, So I went and did that, and 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:36.440 I really did him blindfold. So I did the whole 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:43.160 rehearsal process and all the performances in darkness. And again 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.120 I had never done nudity, and maybe it was really 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.640 good that I was blindfolded so I couldn't see the audience. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:52.360 Be like, but it was such a thing where it 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.760 took me. It took me to a place where I 0:17:55.800 --> 0:18:00.720 really had to just let go. And I was in 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.840 flow the entire time. You know that thing when when 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.840 actors say, if you don't remember how it went, it 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.960 probably weren't. Every night. I was totally in a fever 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.520 dream and I would end and I would you know, 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.680 my director, I would ask the co director, I'd ask themone, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.359 was that garbage? And he was like, no, it was, 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:22.840 and it was one of these cool things where I 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.960 had friends that I had grown up with, friends from 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:31.120 my LA chapters who've never seen me do theater, these 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.639 big chunks of my life where I've been invested in 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.239 London and in undergrad but they'd never seen me. They 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.960 just see on Instagram me, you know, pontificating about it, 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.679 and they got to come see me do that. And 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.760 I remember at the end of the play, I rip 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.160 off the bandages to metaphorically say that I regained sight 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.800 and I could for the first time look at the 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:56.320 audience and it was these people that I. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:02.560 Love and I felt so for lack of a better term, 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.560 no pun intended steam, I felt so seen and that 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:07.920 my art, as. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:13.200 You know, a balding, gray less fit forty five year old, 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:18.560 that it was landing and it was resonating, and I 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:25.000 had grown men sobbing, and I thought, that's it, man, 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.920 that's it. When the thread is short, when you can 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.399 connect and it can land and it doesn't feel like 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:35.720 it's museum glass and you're behind velvet rope, that's it. 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.880 So that experience was the one that sort of shifted 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.679 everything and then made me go cool, what other old men, Oh, BONNYA, 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.920 let's go do that. So I'm kind of in this 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.320 this is my mode right now. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:48.200 I love it. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.800 I mean, that's the ultimate reason that we do this, right, 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.760 is to get that free flying feeling when you're like, 0:19:57.840 --> 0:19:59.400 oh my god, that was it? 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.560 Like you just kind of land and you're like, did 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.360 I just do we just fly? 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:04.800 Like? 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:06.400 What do we just do that? 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.879 And you get cred with than anything, right, Like like 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.440 when I did impront at uc B, I wouldn't say 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:16.560 I was the greatest sumpervisor because I actually that was 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:18.720 a period of my life when I was judging myself 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.800 and that real me up within bra and I was 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.879 doing a lot of imposter syndrome where I was going, oh, 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:31.040 they're all much funnier than me, And yeah it was. 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:35.080 It was a rough education. But even in that the 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:38.320 times that I would sort of lose myself, you could, 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.919 you know, and even more painting seven hours then if 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.280 I if I finish and it doesn't look like a disaster, 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:48.439 that's that's that's a cool sort of start and finish. 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.400 I wouldn't say that the product is what I care about. 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.439 I really do care about process. But you can you 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.960 can figure this out when I make a batch of 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.000 guacamole that I'm proud of. People love that, you know 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.040 what I mean, that's true. 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:06.399 It's like but the weirdest Yes, oh my god. 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.840 No, no, not in the least, No, not at all. 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.920 You're this is the conversations we like to have. These 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.600 are the things like this is it right? We're we're 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:18.200