WEBVTT - Grooming Hate 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:15.120 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:20.520 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:26.159 I hope that you have enjoyed this cookout week on 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.600 wok F where I've been in conversation with some of 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:35.000 my favorite friends and guests of wok F to really 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.280 dig into this week that we have been celebrating America's 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:44.120 independence and what that actually means, you know, can we 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:49.000 really have true conversations about liberty and justice for all 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.080 when most people are becoming conscious to and dare I 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:58.560 say woke to the very fact that the story, the 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:04.560 fairy tale of America is not the reality, the nightmare 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.320 that many people have been forced to live under. And 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.559 so in today's conversation, I'm really excited to bring back 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.720 one of my faves. And if you were a listener 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:21.920 to the early days of democracy Ish, then you know Torrey. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.840 Torrey is the creative director over at The Grio and 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:30.200 the host of The Torrey Show. He is also the 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:35.160 host of the limited series Being Black the Eighties and 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:40.080 Toray and I get into a really in depth conversation 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.200 right on all the complexities and complications of you know 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:50.960 him navigating society as a black man of raising gen 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:56.640 Z kids. Who you know, I say to him, his 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:03.360 youngest is fourteen, and I damn half her life, right 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.560 has been already has been filled with chaos if you 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:12.680 think about it, right, she's fourteen. We've come out of 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:17.520 the last eight years for under Donald Trump, right, the 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.000 other four just you know, the year before he came 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.880 down the escalater and then the repercussions, all of the 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:29.400 ripple effects of MAGA, dam and fuckery and the Republican 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:34.880 Party turning into a full white supremacist cult, COVID right, 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.079 historic storms needing to be forced inside because of toxic 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:46.200 air from wildfires, like mass shootings, upon mass shootings. This 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.320 has been his youngest daughter's life. And he looked at 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:53.280 her and he will share this in conversation and said, 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.440 you know, it's not always like this, and she kind 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.120 of looked at him and was just like, but isn't it. 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:05.680 And you know, folks, when you have the far right 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.200 want to use children as a political football, want to 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.119 use them as a talking point. I wonder if there 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.799 is anyone that ever asked them about how their policies 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:22.240 are actually long term going to effect these children that 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:27.440 will turn into adults. So you're pushing for more coal 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.320 and more oil, knowing good, goddamn well that that is 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.880 what is causing our planet to heat up, and all 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.600 of these historic storms that hey, we can't pay for 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.960 right and be like, we may not be able to 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.120 live through because each and every time that we have 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:49.640 these wildfires, these historic hurricanes and tornado seasons and all 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:53.320 of these things, people die, right, and it costs billions 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.760 of dollars to rebuild. And yet you have the Republican 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:04.800 Party and Joe Manchin Republican Light pushing policies that won't 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.360 affect them because they'll all be dead in a few years, 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.080 but it's sure as hell will affect the young people 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:15.680 who are inheriting a steaming pile of shit. And so 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.800 in my conversation with Torre, we talk about that what 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.960 it is like to parent during this time, what it 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:29.560 is like to you know, to try and provide hopefulness, 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:34.520 to provide guidance and faith as you yourself are trying 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.440 to take in all that is happening on a day 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.719 to day basis. This is a really robust and juicy 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.200 conversation with my friend to Ray that I hope you 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:53.120 all enjoy, folks. I am very happy to welcome back 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:59.680 to wok affidaily after a very long time. My friends were, ye, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.719 I'm happy to welcome you back. Now I feel good 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.160 about welcoming you back. And you're making me kind of 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.320 think twice about it now, my friend, wait till we 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.000 get into it. My friend Toray, who is the host 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.720 of the Torrey Show. He is also the creative director 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.799 at the Grio and had a limited series called Being 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.760 Black the eighties. 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.719 And and what else, founder of democracy issues. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.520 Oh right, this show that has gone on so well? 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:37.320 AnyWho tore yes right democracy because I. 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.840 Have because you three shows? 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.279 Yeah, good for you, Thank you so much. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:42.920 Geez. 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:47.320 So it's fourth of July week, right, you know when 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:52.960 white America loves to celebrate America's independence, and you know, 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:57.320 we have patriotic shirts that are sold. You got flags 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:02.000 that are waving everywhere. And yeah, but in majority of 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:06.159 the states in this country, right, critical thought is outlawed. 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:10.640 We can't really have conversations about what it means to 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.800 be an independent country, what it means to have liberty 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.200 at a time, to be gay, to be black, any 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.480 of these things. But so long as you can walk 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.600 into an old Navy and buy a flag shirt, you 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:28.120 and my friend are patriotic. So I'm wondering this week, right, 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:33.960 we've passed Juneteenth, which is actual liberation, if we really 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.120 want to talk about it, when all people in the 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:40.479 country were actually free and notified of said freedom, What 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.080 does the fourth of July mean to you? 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:48.480 Not really much. I mean the jingoism around America and 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:53.120 the quote unquote meaning of America. I mean, absolutely, Lance flat, 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:58.720 it's hypocritical. America has been a long conversation about who 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.839 actually is is a full human who is a full 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.480 part of America? And right at the beginning, it was like, well, 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.800 just white men, right, nobody else even gets to vote 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.160 to be a landowner, nobody else's part. We are having 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.880 that same conversation now right where the right is saying 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:24.400 women should not be a full participant in their own freedom, 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.880 in the agency of their own bodies. Black people should 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.920 not be a full participant in the democracy. Gay and 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.560 trans people should not be a full right. And the 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.040 conversation ultimately becomes who gets to be human? Right, because 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.080 they get to decide in their mind who gets to 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:46.640 be so they are full humans, right, white straight CIS men, right, 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:51.560 presumably middle class to upper middle class, right, a Christian right, right, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.160 of course, right, because we're not talking about working class 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:55.960 white now they benefit, but they are not part of 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:00.200 the deciding structure. So yeah, we see a tremend this 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:06.080 amount of hypocrisy. The American dream is liberty for all, 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:10.640 everybody is welcome. But that's bullshit. It has never been 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.240 that country. It continues to not be that country. And 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.600 we're actually at a fairly frightening juncture. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.120 I am a staunch optimist. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:27.160 And I feel like things will work out at some point. 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.000 I know you, let's say you're more of a realist. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.120 I was a pessimist, but more of a. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.319 Realist, Okay, I'll take that. Yeah. 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.840 Of like, no, like shit is going to hell, and like, 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.320 how has it changed? And the notion that a lot 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.800 of people have that the racists or the homophobes or 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:48.080 the transphobes will one day die out and we will 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.320 move on to more of a utopic where we are 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.800 accepting no, no, And it's a very dangerous notion to 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.040 think that they'll all just die out at some point. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.360 All the racists and transphobes are not baby boomers, right, 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.600 there are gen xers, there are millennials, there are zoomers 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:12.120 who are you know, anti LGBTQ, racist, you know, misogynist. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:12.280 What have you. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.000 And you know, they may not be walking down the 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:20.520 street oppressing people at every second, but they believe things 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:24.320 that allow us to create a society that where you know, 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.040 those of us who are not straight white men sis 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.880 straight white men are second class citizens in some way. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:34.080 They are perpetuating that whole system. A tremendous number of 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.280 millennials voted. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.760 For Trump, right, and also, folks, forget that the people 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.680 in twenty seventeen that were marching in Charlottesville, they were 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.600 not sixty and up right, they were in their twenties 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.559 in their khaki shorts with their party city tiki torches. Right, 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.600 So you know, when we think about this idea that 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.800 they will die out. And the way that they have 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.600 been talking about the LGBTQ plus Commune, which I want 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:04.560 to talk about for a second, is stating that queer 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:10.600 people are pedophiles and groomors. However, when I see, right, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:16.480 young kids that are in tiny, tiny KKK outfits, when 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:20.840 I see young kids that are holding up signs that said, 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.560 would you have aboarded me when I see all of 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:29.840 these things, you know, these parents flipping over tables at 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.600 school board meetings and punching teachers in the face. For 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.640 I don't know, reading The Little Mermaid right because it 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.520 now depicts a black woman. I think about all the 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:48.040 ways that the right has groomed hate right, that it 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.440 isn't something that is just Oh, this is how older 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.960 people think. And I wonder as somebody who who often 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.320 goes back through history interviews a lot of different people, 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.320 I think that the way that we've talked about the 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.800 civil rights movement has always made it seem like it 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.400 was one hundred plus years ago, when Ruby Bridges is 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:13.400 like sixty. Now. Do you think that the way we've 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.200 allowed the civil rights movement to be discussed to show 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:22.200 black and white pictures when we had color right, that 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:26.160 we've created this timeline that isn't actually real. 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:29.240 That's an interesting question. 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.679 I mean, you know, on Tori Show, I ask a 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:35.480 lot of people what does it mean to be black? 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:43.400 And for me, that really ties into an almost tangible 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.440 connection to all the people who came before us, whose 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.720 shoulders we stand on that allow us, you and I 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:56.840 to have the lives that we have now because our 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:03.040 parents could not have had this media gadfly experience, right, 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.560 you know, integrate whatever. Like, they didn't have that experience, 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.280 and their parents definitely did not have the freedoms that 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:15.360 we have. So to me, I don't think about the 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.480 Civil rights movement and Black Power movement it's sort of 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.959 super long ago, because I feel a tangible connection to it. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:27.720 I am standing on its shoulders. I remember being in 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:33.440 college and thinking once it would be really interesting to 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:37.200 be in the CIA. I think a CIA recruiter was 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.760 coming and I was like, well, that would be a 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.880 cool ass job. But then at the same time, I 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:47.160 was like, you know, I need to do something that 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:52.480 pays back and speaks to the people whose shoulders that 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.480 I'm standing on, right. I was already thinking about that 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.280 sort of stuff in college and earlier. 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.880 And you know, you. 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.440 Can be the judge of whether or not I have 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.840 done that, but I was always thinking of, like, I 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:09.080 need to live a life that honors what I have 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.160 been given, the life, the opportunities that have been given 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.960 because of the people before us. So it's it's not 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.720 distant to me, you know, And I mean I have 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.160 I have a family member who was a black panther. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:33.280 So it's it's very tangiblegible to me. I am a 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.720 realist and I used to be probably like a deep pessimist, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.000 and I am a realist in the way that look 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.200 the artistism to. 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.200 Think I have a realist, you're a pessimist, but the 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.240 pessivist thinks I have the I know I'm a realists. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:51.600 I mean, you know. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.080 Everybody, I think in a way everybody thinks they're a realist. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.760 I'm an optimist, but I think I'm a realist. We 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:58.719 are going to get there one day. It's going to 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.360 be hard. I'm a person which means I'm a realist. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:07.040 Because I'm not sure where we're I'm not sure where 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.880 we're trying to get to because it's never going to 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.360 be a utopia, Like we're never going to have the 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:18.520 kind of I guess the kind of dream actualize that 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.160 our ancestors had been fighting. 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.800 For that I want to say, well, utopia, Like I 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.400 don't even know what utopia looks like, right beyond what. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.320 People being able to live in their skins and in 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:34.160 their body without oppression, without fear, without violence. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:39.480 I think I think that it's important to eliminate the 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:43.400 notion of what is in white people's hearts and spirits. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:44.720 I don't give a. 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.960 Fuck if you love me or if you think that 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.680 I'm equal to you. Right, And when we think about 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.520 the amount of internalized racism that we deal with, white 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:59.480 people absolutely have internalized racism. Right, they're not even challenging it, right, 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:04.920 most of the right. But to me, the most critical 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:09.560 aspect of the whole thing is the wealth gap. Right, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:13.880 there's a massive racial wealth gap. I don't know the 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.560 numbers of a top my head, but you know they 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.680 are easily google able. The upper black family has a 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.200 fraction of what the average white family is. There is 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:27.760 essentially no black upper class, right. There's a tiny number 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.880 people who would constitute a black upper class. But there 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:34.160 is a black upper middle class, and a Black middle 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.600 middle class and a black lower middle class. But so 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:43.720 there's not sufficient wealth in our community to be able 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.280 to help each other when one of us has a problem. 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.800 One of the things I read talked about how black 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.080 people tend to have reverse inheritance, in that the older 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.600 generation has nothing, so when they get older and they 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.240 are sicker or a knee of help, we have to 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:02.080 take care of them. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:03.800 Whereas in a lot of white. 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.800 Families where they were able to get a home loan 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.520 cheaply one hundred years of business. Now the right a 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.800 business loan. Now the grandparents are able to help out 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.360 the children and the grandchildren. Right, you need help with 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.720 your mortgage, with your down payment, with you know, your business, 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.080 like we are in a position. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:22.440 We can help you. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.560 Now we then to not have that. Right, So there's 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:30.000 all these different ways that the wealth gap, to me is. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.920 The central ya. And if we can get we can 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:34.840 narrow that. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:39.120 Sum, then we would have that would impact politics, that 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:44.080 would could impact criminal justice, that could impact schooling, impact 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:49.520 in so many ways the entire world. Now, somebody far 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:54.840 smarter than me said, the only way that that would 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:59.120 ever happen, the let's just call it not the equaling 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.760 but just just an evening out, would be reparations. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:03.800 M Right. 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:10.080 We have to have an intrusive financial impact on the 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.840 journey of the black community to change the trajectory we 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.800 have because the way America is now, there is very 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:22.080 very little class ascension. Right, It's very hard to end 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:26.479 up not in the class that your father was born into. Right, 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:28.760 That's not the way America was supposed to be. That's 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.399 not the way America used to be. But that is 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:34.960 the way America is now, So how would we change it? Well, 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.640 at some point there will have to be some sort 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:39.040 of reparations. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.960 But in order to have and because I've been thinking 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.840 about this, because I think about the people that have 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.840 been working on reparations, I think about the member of 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.359 Congress that introduces just the report, let us just do 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.200 a report. They won't even do that, right to see 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.679 where we would land. California had just come out and say, well, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.919 if we were to provide reparations, I think it was 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.480 going to cost the state. It will cost the state 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.119 trillions of dollars, right, trillions of dollars in order to 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.520 do that. When we talk have conversations about reparations, it 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:13.640 always sounds like we are asking for some type of philanthropy, 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.440 that we're asking for some type of charity. And I'm saying, no, motherfucker, 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.800 give us back what you extracted. Right Like, if you 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:25.679 hadn't if you were required during reconstruction at that time 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:31.520 to give back the wealth that was taken from free 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:36.520 labor to provide land, we wouldn't be in this situation. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:36.880 Right. 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:42.760 They gave reparations to the slave slavelders like, so sorry, 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.239 so sorry, we took away your interns, because that's what 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.920 they call them in Florida textbooks. So sorry, we took 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.280 away your interns. So here's a fucking stipend. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.240 And of course you know the history. It's not just 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:58.800 about slavery. It's about what happens in say, it's about 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.199 what happens in in Tulsa with other places where our 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.200 communities are destroyed. It's about wage theft and redlining. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:06.639 Yeah. 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.119 One of the things that blows my mind that we 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.359 don't even know the full extent of is this whole 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:16.800 is it home assessment? Was that where somebody comes to 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.360 tell you the value of your home. Yes, but many, 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:24.240 many families have seen if the assessor and I might 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.399 not be using the right word there, thinks that it 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.040 is a black owned home. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:28.560 They'll devalue it. 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:29.480 They'll devalue it. 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.760 Yeah, sometimes as much as fifty percent, hundreds of thousands 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.600 of dollars. And only a few people are figuring out, well, 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.199 if I get my white friends to pretend it's their homes, 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:40.560 then it'll be more. 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:41.239 So. 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.760 We don't know how many tens and tens of thousands 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:46.760 of black people sold their. 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.960 Homes that were devalued by hundreds of thousands of dollars 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:50.520 thousand dollars. 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.880 Yeah, and that is money that did not come into 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.000 the community. On top of the money that was directly 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.280 given to white people. Here's a cheap home loan for 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:03.280 you the fifties and decades later, that adds up to 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:10.919 So it's it's just an extraordinarily difficult situation. Policing is 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.840 a whole different part of it. Schooling is a whole 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.359 different part of it. If we had a sufficient amount 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.680 of money in our community to have more self determination, yep, 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.720 then we could start looking at a world that has equity, 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:31.040 not even equality, but just equity. Right, then we could 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:36.199 start talking about creating better schools for ourselves, perhaps, you know, 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.600 having better lawyers to defend ourselves when we have issues. 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.919 But this is this is what Rosewood, this is what Tulsa, 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.359 this is what hundreds but lat I mean hundreds and 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:53.280 people because we only know and barely know the names 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:57.840 of those places that were destroyed. And so when I 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:02.680 think about even just the idea that white people created 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:09.520 around separate but equal, right, black people had created separate towns, 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:15.879 separate societies running their own buses, banks, school systems, like 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:20.200 all of those things. But white people couldn't take it, yeah, 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:21.480 and they had to destroy it. 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.520 And those are just the big stories we know, right, right, 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.280 What about all the people who like the farmer who. 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.520 Lived in unincorporated towns, Yeah, who just you know, he 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.439 just had it and he built it up, and some 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:34.400 white people came. 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:34.840 Just stole it. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:36.200 Right, there's thousands and. 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:42.040 Thousands of such stories. We've been screwed economically by this 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.800 country over and over and over, and slavery is just 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:50.040 one part of it. And it's not it's not just 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:56.800 a thing that happened. America does not become America without slavery, right, 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:01.159 it is the thing that leads to America becoming a 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:08.200 global economic power. And not really secondarily is the work 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:12.080 that the enslaved people did because cotton was then the 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.080 biggest product in the world. Right, so we're able to 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.520 produce cotton wave faster and cheaper because they not have 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.520 to pay the labor than anybody else. But no, it's 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.960 the value of the human beings. 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:24.639 Yep. 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.159 And when we talk about reparations in the realm of 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.360 slavery and white people, some white people want to say, well, 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:36.720 my family didn't own slaves. Right, everybody in America who 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.880 benefits from the American economy benefits from slavery. Yep, right, 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:45.400 because the American economy is buttressed, is created by slavery. 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:53.199 But there's all sorts of other industries and institutions, insurance, transportation, 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:58.560 all sorts of people who never owned slaves but benefited 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:03.280 from the slavery. The gun industry becomes massive in America 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.000 because of all this. So there's all sorts of people 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:12.520 who are benefiting from slavery, never own slaves, and we should. 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:12.840 Be part of that. 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.880 And the fact and the idea that it's that it's 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:20.600 a controversial and revolutionary and basically unspeakable idea. 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.399 Right, you can't be a serious political thinker and. 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:29.040 Talk about ridiculous because who is going because the oppressor 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:32.520 is never going to give the oppressed the keys to 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:36.040 their liberation. Like that's just not how it ever works. 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:39.040 And I feel like when we have these conversations, I'm like, 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.000 I don't even want to I don't want it to 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:44.040 be even referred to as reparations. I'm like, give me 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.920 back what the fuck you stole for, Like centuries upon 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:50.840 centuries we just named so many other ways outside of 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:57.320 chattel slavery, how we have been economically forced into ghettos 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:02.399 and in situations that have locked us into an economic 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:07.399 future that was going to sustain a not even a 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:10.919 working class, but a working poor, right, because that's what 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:15.040 they've wanted. I want to switch gear, and that's what 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:17.160 I want to talk about. I want to talk about 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:20.119 the way in which you have Republicans right now, like 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:23.960 Rohnda Santis, Greg Abbott and all of the Republican governors 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.960 across the state that are doing their damnedest to erase 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:33.359 black history, to ban critical literally ban critical thought, all 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:36.800 of it. I believe torre is about creating a permanent 0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:42.320 under class, thank you. All of it is about creating 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:46.360 a permanent under class. And they want to make sure 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:50.159 that the demographic shift right that is coming that everyone 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:52.240 was like, yes, look, black and brown people are going 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:54.560 to be the majority. They're like no, no, no, no, 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:57.240 that's cute, right, because we're going to lock you in. 0:24:57.320 --> 0:24:59.440 If we can't lock you into being the working class, 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:01.280 we're going to lock you into student loan debt because 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:02.919 we don't want to give you relief there because if 0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:06.320 we give you relief there then you have opportunity for mobility, 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:07.159 and we don't want that. 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:13.320 Well, let me address two things. Yes, capitalism requires working poor, 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.439 right because somebody has to do the jobs at the 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:20.359 bottom of the totem pole. I shouldn't say that somebody 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:22.240 has to do the jobs at the bottom. 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:22.640 Of the ladder. 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:29.600