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Speaker 1: The guitar player and producer, Adrian Asada has a production

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Speaker 1: and Eric Burton's voice is so powerful and soulful it's

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Speaker 1: at once. The runaway to success was short for blackpoolas

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Speaker 1: five months after releasing their debut album in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: Year for the deluxe version of their debut. Adrian and

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Speaker 1: Eric mented a crossroads in both of their careers. Adrian

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Speaker 1: long mentorship with Prince. In this episode, I talked to

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Speaker 1: justin Richmondton. Here's my conversation with Adrian Quesada and Eric

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Speaker 1: Burton of Black Plumas. Oftentimes, the experience as a fan

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Speaker 1: period where you've heard the name, or you've heard a song,

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Speaker 1: we played our first show in twenty eighteen. So for us,

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Speaker 1: it was was during the pandemic. Yeah, you know, like Adrian,

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Speaker 1: Adrian Quesada and Eric Burton. One of the cool experiences

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Speaker 1: with your music is it sounds familiar because it sounds

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Speaker 1: it sounds soulful and the way that music used to

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Speaker 1: sound soulful. But when I'm listening to your voice, Eric,

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Speaker 1: like I can't pinpoint a particular singer that you sound like,

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Speaker 1: but you can hear the gospel. You can hear the

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Speaker 1: soul sometimes in your writing and colors, even in the lyrics.

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Speaker 1: There's almost like a country element to just sound like

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Speaker 1: specific and clear the lyrics are, the verses are and

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Speaker 1: aiding with the production. There's not one person it sounds

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Speaker 1: like in terms of arrangement production, Like you can't say

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Speaker 1: it's Isaac Hayes or Curtis Mayfield, but there's such as

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Speaker 1: such soul Imbaut and the way you're producing these tracks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's certain nods, very specific nods. I think

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Speaker 1: punt this back for to Eric to clarify on this,

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Speaker 1: But like I remember him telling me he had never

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Speaker 1: like these instrumentals, you know, So he was telling me

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Speaker 1: or I'm like, everything you're singing sounds gold in to me. Man.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's there're nods, you know, there's nods in

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Speaker 1: between us to our influences. But ultimately, I don't even

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Speaker 1: think we had a discussion on like well let's make

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Speaker 1: that sound like this. You know, I never told Eric there.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he ever told me that as well.

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Speaker 1: But what that was initially when when I reached out

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Speaker 1: people sent me ideas like, oh, check out this such

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Speaker 1: and such person, all real talented people, but nobody really

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Speaker 1: uh made me kind of jump out of my seat

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Speaker 1: was they were like, oh, I just you know, you

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Speaker 1: kind of especially nowadays, like that retro soul kind of

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Speaker 1: I mean. But he but it's soulful, but it's his soul.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It was just so much to me

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Speaker 1: that's the main the most important thing I think both

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Speaker 1: and the band name. It's like the imagery is super strong.

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Speaker 1: How did you guys land on Black Pumas? Adrian went

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Speaker 1: cat crazy on me. Man, Yeah, he came back from

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Speaker 1: he came back from Mexico. I'm gonna tell the story down.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, Yeah, okay, he came back from Mexico,

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Speaker 1: you conclude, Adrian. I'm uh, you know, we sent a

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Speaker 1: and Adrian kept sending me cat names. I'm like, what's

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Speaker 1: your problem, Like I remember, like like we're gonna be yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's I forgot about that one man. I remember reading

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Speaker 1: And then I read about the black puma, that there

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Speaker 1: it was literally just weird. Texting back fourth it was

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Speaker 1: like black pumas and he's like that's nope, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: black Puma was like black Pumas is great, it's it's strong,

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Speaker 1: it's easy. You don't even want to know what I was,

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Speaker 1: what I was sharing with Adrian. I wish I could

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Speaker 1: find those textual. Oh my, he like he was just

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Speaker 1: like I remember, just like us laughing at each other.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Adrian was like smoking or something

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Speaker 1: stuff and like mines had to do with like spaceships

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Speaker 1: and this and that, and like Adrian's like Mighty Royals Cats. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: black Pumas. Yeah. No, absolutely, there is an element of

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Speaker 1: you guys that feels like you're engaging on social things.

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Speaker 1: So even if that wasn't intention with the name, it

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Speaker 1: as it pertains to what we see that is going

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Speaker 1: we're never thinking about like, hey, like let's speak to

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Speaker 1: the George Floyd's situation in a way that is going

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Speaker 1: like colors. When I wrote that, I was I was

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Speaker 1: just thinking about just being aligned within myself. If I

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Speaker 1: the first place, writing the music that we write in

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Speaker 1: the first place, because at the times progress and different

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Speaker 1: that's like sanctuary time. Like it's just about coming together

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Speaker 1: does it feel weird to have built up all this

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Speaker 1: we realize and are thankful that we're kind of a

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Speaker 1: a bumer to not like play some of these some

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Speaker 1: time is is you know, the civil unrest and the

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen things that are going on to work through creatively.

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Speaker 1: Are you guys able to write and record right now? Um? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: kind of I think Eric's gonna be writing here for

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Speaker 1: a little bit and uh and then we'll we're gonna reconvene,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's really cool to be collaborating with,

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Speaker 1: I guess. So I think I try to be open

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Speaker 1: to you know, Adrian just doesn't care about you know,

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Speaker 1: That's your job. Oh that's just yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the most part, you know, what, am I gonna tell

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00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: this dude? How am I gonna make this dude's stuff

429
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: lyrics and vocals better? But just just that alone, though,

430
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: like really keeps me ground and I'm like, oh, okay,

431
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: all right. You know I see Adrian nodding to certain things,

432
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: and you know, if I don't sometimes if I don't

433
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: have that, and I can get really eccentric and the

434
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: way that I like to be abstract visually with the

435
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: with the lyrics and stuff. So he sort of keeps

436
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 1: you on on on the right. Oh yeah, he keeps

437
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: me on the ground because I want to fly. Eric

438
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: has more production ideas than I have vocal ideas. Put

439
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: it that way. But but I but I really equally important, man,

440
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to know what I ad in

441
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: the studio. I mean, I love you guys willingness to experiment,

442
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: and it totally comes across. And like when I was

443
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: listening to the deluxe edition, you guys did a cover

444
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: of Politicians in my eyes, and when I first saw

445
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: the title, I was like, man, that's a that's a

446
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: death song. That's interesting. I put it on. I's I

447
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: wonder if it's a cover, and I put it on.

448
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: I was listening, I was like, oh this is this

449
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: isn't a cover. It wasn't until like the third or

450
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: fourth time I listens like, oh shit, this is a

451
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: cover of that song because you guys did it so different,

452
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: Like how did that come about? So that we were

453
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: in Europe and our label and distributor out there, I

454
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: had a project that they wanted us to be a

455
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: part of why we were out there, which was on

456
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: our last tour, I think, and they were getting bands.

457
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: I can't remember if all the bands were covering. Yeah,

458
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: I guess all the bands were covering like punk rock stuff.

459
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: And they sent us a list, you know, they brought

460
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: it up to us and we remember we were in

461
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: the green room and it was just like so the

462
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: sex Pistols, the Ramans and the you know whatever, all

463
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 1: these bands and Eric was like, what about Death, and well,

464
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: they weren't on the list. And I was like, man,

465
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: you know Death. I remember seeing that documentary and like

466
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I've been jamming that and he

467
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: was he pulled out Politicians on my eye. Well he

468
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: was going through some songs on the phone, and remember

469
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: he showed me that one. I was like, damn, we

470
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: heard that. And we were like we could kind of

471
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: freak that. I mean, what part of one of the

472
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: things we like to do with covers is sometimes we

473
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 1: stay pretty faithful, but sometimes we like to just kind

474
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: of make it our own. And there was a little

475
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: bit of a saga to record that one, because we

476
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: sent it back and we were like yeah, yeah, we

477
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: were so pumped. We were like hell yeah, man, Death

478
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: like Politicians in my eyes, Like it's super timely and

479
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: like timeless, you know. We were like hell yeah, sent

480
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: back to them and it was just crickets and they

481
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: were like, well that's not a we're not familiar with

482
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: this band. We were like, dude, that they like invented

483
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: punk rock, like that's and then they came back and

484
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: said it was too obscure. They were like, how about again,

485
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: like the sex Pistles, the Ramones. We were like, man,

486
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: it's like the least punk rock thing you could do

487
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: is tell us to go play the Ramones or so

488
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: we actually like remember Eric text, we were on this text.

489
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: Eric was like, man, that's this is the only song

490
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to do it. I was like, man, I'm

491
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: down with you, bro. That's that's we're being punk rock here.

492
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: So that was it. We worked it up at a

493
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: couple of sound checks, I think the band, Eric with

494
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: the band jammed on it for a little bit. Then

495
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: I showed that to Eric and he was like, well,

496
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: he kind of came up with the like the way

497
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: the core progression moves I think kind of remember it

498
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: was quicker or slower than the original. He was like,

499
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: well check this out. And I mean we learned it

500
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: like the day before two days before in the studio

501
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: at a sound check. We just sat there and went

502
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: over it with guitar, and then we went into the

503
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: studio and learned it that day. I mean, and testament

504
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: to our band just being killer musicians, like they just

505
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: they learned it and all showed up and interpreted it.

506
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: We might have rehearsed it a couple of times. Yeah,

507
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: we'll be back with Adrian and Eric after the break.

508
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: We're back with more of my conversation with Black Plumas

509
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: October thirty three. I guess how did that one come about?

510
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Was that one that Eric you had or was this

511
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: a collaboration song? So the completion of this song was

512
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: spurred by Adrian's thought to add one more song to

513
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: the album. We probably recorded like a bit over fifteen

514
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: songs or so, and he was just telling me like, man,

515
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like we really have that last song.

516
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: And so when he told me that, I sent him

517
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: a snippet of this this song October thirty three, a

518
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: couple of days after, I said, hey, check this out,

519
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: and you know, he thought it was a perfect way

520
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: to end it. I might have sent him like a

521
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: little bit of a verse, maybe a little bit of

522
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: a chorus, and he said, yeah, yeah, it kind of

523
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: reminds me of this, this and that, and so I

524
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe a week later, right, Adrian, we got

525
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: together and I pretty much finished writing the song on

526
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: the way to the studio and in the studio, so actually, funny,

527
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: I have the lyrics right here, man, yeah something. Yeah, yeah,

528
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: he wrote him on a paper on a grocery bag

529
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: in my studio. But yeah, I remember because we talked

530
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: about it recently, but I forgot. I still have him

531
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: right here. But yeah, he just he was cranking him

532
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: out on this. This just kind of gets to the

533
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: crux of my my feeling about you guys, which is like,

534
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: it's amazing how fully formed you guys were from from

535
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: the start. Twenty nineteen, the record comes out and the

536
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: Grammys is past January, you guys were for Best New Artists,

537
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: and looking at the list of artists, you guys we're

538
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: in with, it's Billie Eilish, Black Pumas, Lil nos X, Lizzo,

539
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: Maggie Rodgers, Rosaliah, Tank of the Bangers, and Yola. That's

540
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 1: pretty yeah. You know, we actually played a party at

541
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: the Grammys, a Spotify party where like all all those

542
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: bands were played the same party, all the Best New

543
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: Artist nominees. It was like this like rotating stage and

544
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: everybody did like twenty minutes or something. But it's pretty

545
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: kind of wild. Yeah, how was that crazy? It was

546
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: just nice to be around peers man. It's like, wow,

547
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: like these are our peers, man, this is great. So

548
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: that part of it was awesome. And then the part

549
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: that kind of tripped me out about like being in

550
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: California again, I'm like, oh my god, man, like this

551
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: kind of feels like a pageant, you know, I felt

552
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: like I was in a pageant. I was like, wow,

553
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of tripping me out. And

554
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: then probably my favorite part of it is just you know,

555
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: seeing some of our heroes Grace the stage and as

556
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: well as Grace, some of the hosting some of the

557
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: parties that happened before and after the Grammys, like Quest

558
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: Love and the Roots invited us to play their you know,

559
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: their jam before the night of the Grammys. That was

560
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: probably like my favoritavorite part of it, Like I had

561
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: such a good time at that party, Dave Chappelle and

562
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: Quest Love. I'm running into people in the in the

563
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: green room smoking you know, free joints and CBD infused coffee.

564
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, you know it was It was just really cool. Man.

565
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: It was like the most rock star thing I've ever done.

566
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: Because as I was leaving, we were leaving, I think

567
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: Adrian might have left Arry. I'm like, man, I can't leave.

568
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: This is awesome. And uh so, like my hair was

569
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: looking crazy because I'm I never I'm never prepared to

570
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: go to an event anyway, you know, I just I

571
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: just kind of go as this. But I realized, I said, Okay, well,

572
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking like I'm still busting on the

573
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: Santa Monica Pere right now, and I probably should show

574
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: some some respect to the event. So you know, I

575
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: end up going on Facebook. I'm like, yo, does anybody

576
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: know anyone in LA who can like retwist my hair

577
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: and Blase blase and so you know, I end up

578
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: Adrian and I both end up like getting fitted for

579
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: for it. And then the night that we left the party,

580
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: this you know, someone like came to my hotel like

581
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: at four or five six in the morning to do

582
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: to do my hair. My little brothers were. I flew

583
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: my little brothers out, and you know, she cut their hair.

584
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: It was like the coolest. I felt so cool. I

585
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, your big brother's doing it. You guys

586
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: one hundred percentsion of vocal and I bet you guys

587
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: were the best on that stage too. I guarantee that.

588
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was fun. And this is why I

589
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: love Adrian Man because you know, if there was a

590
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: guy who had gone up and you know, like black

591
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: music and black vocalists is always very sharp and you

592
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: know with the rips and all this warm stuff and uh,

593
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm on. I'm I'm in the corner of

594
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: the stage right before we go on, and I'm almost

595
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: like kind of shedding some tears because of the music

596
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: is so beautiful. And the guy who was seeing I

597
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that guy's pretty good. I look at Adrian.

598
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: He's like, don't worry, bro, you're better. You're better than him,

599
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's nice to kind of like,

600
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, have that the validation reciprocated in the appreciation.

601
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: I think that we do that for each other. So

602
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. No, I mean, I must have

603
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: been an incredible experience. I feel bad because this is

604
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: going back to pre Black Puma days, but I would

605
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: be one hundred percent unhappy with myself if I didn't

606
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: mention the fact that Adrian you got to have a

607
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: few years worth the Prince experiences. Yeah, so your old

608
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: group group of Fantasma was kind of more or less

609
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: mentored or by Prince right for a time. Yeah, a

610
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: few years on and off. It started with a residency

611
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. He had a club and we started

612
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: playing there, and then he eventually just started coming on

613
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: stage and jamming with us, and then that led to

614
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: us backing him on certain occasions for a few years

615
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: on and off. So yeah, I got to we's got

616
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: to spend some time with him. What was it like

617
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: jamming with him? Absolutely? Insane? Absolutely, and back then, like

618
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: the way I used to put it was like it

619
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: was like being a really good high school basketball team

620
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: and being put on a plane the next day and

621
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: then putting put in Game seven of the NBA Finals,

622
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, like we were we were a good band,

623
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Game seven of the

624
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: NBA Finals like go you know to all of a sudden.

625
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: Being a rehearsal with him was like that. And because

626
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: he could play every instrument better than than everybody, you know,

627
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: so he So it was just like one day to

628
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: the next, our confidence level was just through the roof.

629
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: It was just trial by fire man. We just got

630
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: thrown in the deep end and just like no choice

631
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: but to show up and you know, and bust your

632
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: ass and try hard. So, I mean my confidence level

633
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: in the band's confidence level was just from one day

634
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: to the next. After like being in rehearsals with Prince

635
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: was just like you know, chess stumping everywhere. We were

636
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: just like, hell yeah we played with Prince Man. I'm like,

637
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: we can hang anywhere. How was he as a band leader?

638
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: He was amazing man, And it was really he was

639
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 1: really cool. I saw. I saw multiple sides of him

640
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: because we were like the cool, new young band that

641
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: he worked with, so we weren't like his regular band

642
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: on salary. He always set the mood. You know, there

643
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: was times I think he was funnier and more engaging

644
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: and like more personable than people make him out to be.

645
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: You know, like all used to hear these rumors like, man,

646
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: you can't look him in the eye and you can't

647
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: like whatever. He was cool. He was really funny as hell,

648
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: but he always set the mood and there was days

649
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: where he wasn't in the mood to joke and it

650
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: was all business, you know. I mean, you knew right

651
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: away it was just like man princes here, it's all

652
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: business today, or if not, he just was hanging like,

653
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out and joking with us and stuff. So,

654
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: but he was always a little bit cooler with us.

655
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: He was cool with his band, but he was a

656
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: little harder on them. And he was maybe because like

657
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: I said, we were like a younger band and I

658
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: mean still a hardass. There was definitely times where he

659
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: cut us down individually, certain guys he would call you

660
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: out and say and say something embarrassing the hell out

661
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: of you at a rehearsal. But most of the time

662
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: and he was really encouraging and inspiring for us, and

663
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: he knew, you know, we we had it a little

664
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: bit easier than his band, where you know, those guys

665
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: are like you know, his band, and then they had

666
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: it it was a little more intense. I witnessed a

667
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: lot of those rehearsals, and that was a lot more intense,

668
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, he was he was softer with us. Did

669
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: he ever direct any of those critiques at you, not verbally?

670
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: But one time I got I got like my bubble

671
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: popped real quick, real bad at a rehearsal man, So

672
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: we had to learn a few songs of his, and

673
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: he came in with his keyboard player too. Then they

674
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: were like going to watch us play their songs. And

675
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: I there was a song that didn't have another guitar part,

676
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: it just had one guitar part. We had two guitar players.

677
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: I came up with my own parts and was like

678
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: he came in with the keyboard player and was like okay,

679
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: and he was like an audition like go ahead, like

680
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: played the song guys, and I was just like, man,

681
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: you know this is it I'm going for Man, I'm

682
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: playing my guitar part. I know it's not in that song,

683
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: but I've just made up a part that I had

684
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: made up and was playing that, adding this part to

685
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: the song. And I kind of like looked up and

686
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: saw his reaction, and he looked at the keyboard player

687
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: and was like pointing at me, like you know, and

688
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: like oh hell yeah, like he was feeling it. So man,

689
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean that my my like confidence level and ego

690
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: was just like through the roof. So then I was

691
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: like in my head. I'm like, man, I play whatever

692
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: I want on Prince songs, like I make up my

693
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: own shit, you know. Next song, I just like also

694
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: started playing some other part that wasn't there and was like,

695
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: dad and I hate. And at that point he was

696
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: on stage list and he had his back to us,

697
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: and he just threw up his hand and he goes

698
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: stop and the whole band stops, and he like points

699
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: to me without looking at me, he goes, what are

700
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: you doing? I was like, Oh, I just came up

701
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: with this part that that uh and he goes, don't

702
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: play that play was in the song. I was like, Okay,

703
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: that was it. It was just like, you know, so

704
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: he had that power like to either build you up

705
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: and then also just bring you back down and be like, no,

706
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: you got a ways to go, you know, like you're

707
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: still in school. And do you feel like a better

708
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: musician having gone through that? Yeah? I feel like that

709
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: man that did so much for our development and my

710
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: development personally in terms of confidence, you know, just knowing

711
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: that like if you can hang in that room and

712
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: hang anywhere, you know. I had this crazy experience and

713
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: it was like kind of the night we technically got

714
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: signed to our label was. We played in uh uh

715
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: Minneapolis one Saint Paul technically, and this is early on

716
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: in the band, and we just killed that show. I

717
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember that one. I remember that show.

718
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: It was really good. Man. We had a sub on

719
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: on keys. But I had this like I got chills.

720
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: Not to get like too hokey about this, but man,

721
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: I remember for some reason, we were just really killing

722
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: it that night, and I got chills. We had a

723
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: packe was a small club but it was packed. Remember

724
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: getting chills and looking around and thinking like, man if

725
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: it was almost like I could feel Prince And I

726
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: was like thinking, if if he was alive, he would

727
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: have been here. He would have known about this, you

728
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I I really, I mean,

729
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: I'm getting chills talking about it. But I remember looking

730
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: around and for some reason we were just on fire

731
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: and thinking like he would have known about this, man

732
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: and he would have cornered Eric, you know, and been

733
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: infatuated with hearing about the songs, and you know, like

734
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: I just had that feeling. I was just like I

735
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: knew it. I know he would have known about this.

736
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: That's almost the worst thing about Lose and Prince beyond

737
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: the fact that we can never go to a Prince

738
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: show again. Is that. You know, I'm not sure how

739
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: many other people were as supportive of really new acts.

740
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean, what a lovely guy and so giving to it,

741
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: like people who you know, none of us really deserve

742
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: to be in his presence probably you know it's Prince,

743
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: but it's just it's crazy, you know that he's not

744
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: here to mentor oh my god. Yeah, and especially for

745
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: someone like Eric, because I can only imagine, oh my god, dude. Yeah,

746
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: I know that one time we were going on stage

747
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: somewhere with him at an award show and he was

748
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: like in a different green room or something, and he

749
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: called us over there to talk before and somebody was

750
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: somebody made a joke. We were kind of we're pretty

751
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: comfortable him after a while, and you could kind of

752
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: joke if he was in a good mood, like to

753
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: joke around. And somebody made a comment like, oh, this

754
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: is where the stars are, and he pulled us on

755
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: and he was like no, no, no, He was like,

756
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: you guys are the stars today. You know. He was

757
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: just really encouraging like that, and he loved he loved

758
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: younger songwriters and you know people that out all that

759
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: world of soul and rock and everything, you know, which

760
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: is like I'm tell why I'm telling you. I'm like, man,

761
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: I was getting chills that damn Like, I know he

762
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: would have been here. I know he would have been

763
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: lined up for Eric to like, you know, to talk

764
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: to him and a rest in peace, absolutely rest in peace.

765
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: One last thing I wanted to ask Eric about, did

766
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: you have an American Idol audition? Yeah, before anything else.

767
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty twelve. It was in California,

768
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: like thirty bucks to my name, after getting a round

769
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: trip ticket to Houston, Texas. Actually I was supposed to

770
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: go to Houston, Texas and then come back to LA

771
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: and I did. But I didn't realize that the process

772
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: of the road audition was like a three day long

773
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: process before you'd even know if you'd make it, if

774
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: you made it to Hollywood Week. I just thought that

775
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, you go and then you see the you

776
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: see Jennifer Lopez and Rainy Paxon, and you know, you

777
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: see the people and and then you you you know

778
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: if you made it or not. But like I was

779
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: out there with no money trying to like, you know,

780
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: befriend people in the crowd, and I ended up meeting

781
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: this uh, this guy who let me sleep in the

782
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: back of that like his vehicle. Like we we like

783
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: camped out between like a Burger king and a gas

784
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: station in Houston, Texas. Uh, you know, his mom sent

785
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: some money. We went shopping and you know, I made

786
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: like a cardboard sign. It was bonkers. That's that was

787
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: the craziest initiation to the music industry that I've ever

788
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: I've ever had, And you know I made it. Jennifer

789
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: Lopez liked me. I liked her too, and you know

790
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: she she kind of you know, she worked, she worked

791
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: it out for me to you know, get through. She

792
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: really liked me. So then I got eliminated in Hollywood

793
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: week So I mean the glory wasn't you know, lived

794
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: too much further beyond actually just being able to make

795
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: real friends. Like I'm still connected with a buddy of

796
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: mine who also made it to Hollywood Weeks and he's

797
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Dylan Loza. His family took me in. I mean we

798
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: were eating taco dinners, palm trees in the backyard. I'm

799
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: swimming in the pool, playing video games with the brother

800
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: and so you know, I always kind of you know,

801
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, I'm just I'm very

802
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: thankful because it just seems like anytime I've ever decided

803
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: to take a risk, you know, like that, it just

804
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: seems like things just kind of all things work together

805
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: for good. You know, It's like it just feels, it

806
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: feels good. And I believe. I'm a believer, you know,

807
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm I believe that when I decide to do something

808
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: that has got to happen. You know, it must feel great. Man,

809
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: with all those little all those people who kind of

810
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: invested you in these ways along the way, and now

811
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: you're you're where you're at. Man, that's just got to

812
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: be so fulfilling, even for them. I mean, that's amazing.

813
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: Being coming from a place where you know, we moved

814
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: around a lot. It's it's kind of hard to like

815
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: have some of the same friends and you know, keep

816
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: certain things, that certain mementos. So it does me a

817
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: lot that especially that the you know, that where where

818
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: we are right now, because it's it's easy to find

819
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: me for people who you know, I've had a really

820
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: nice connection with. So that's that part of it's really dope. Cool. Well,

821
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: thanks guys, really appreciate you guys taking the time. Thanks Brother,

822
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: appreciate it man, Thanks Justin. Thanks to Eric and Adrian

823
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: for taking the time to talk. We wish him to

824
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: the best of luck at the grants. You can hear

825
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: all of our favorite black Bomba songs on our playlist

826
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00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,319
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830
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831
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