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Speaker 3: Big news in the NBA, not necessarily the NBA, but

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Speaker 3: in the basketball world because the twenty twenty sixth class

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Speaker 3: of the Basketball Hall of Fame has been announced, headlined

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Speaker 3: by none other then Glenn doc Rivers. Doc Rivers who

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Speaker 3: famously said, stop hating on me for losing these three

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Speaker 3: one leads, because you got to go three to one

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Speaker 3: to lose them, so give me credit.

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Speaker 4: For that one.

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Speaker 3: And obviously, Doc Rivers has been a controversial figure on

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Speaker 3: the show for some time now. Most of us think

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Speaker 3: he's wildly overrated, but at least one person says that

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Speaker 3: this Hall of Fame not is justified it. Calvin, explain yourself, well.

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Speaker 1: Listen, any reason that you may think that Doc Rivers shouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Be in there.

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Speaker 1: I get it, I one thousand percent get it. We

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Speaker 1: just talked about it, Rob G. You brought it up.

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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers has been excited just to be up three

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Speaker 1: in a series, just to make the playoffs. Sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: hard enough and it's all that's good enough, just to

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Speaker 1: make it. He's made more excuses for himself over the

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Speaker 1: last ten twelve years than anybody else. And we know it,

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Speaker 1: and we've talked about it. Rob and I made fun

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Speaker 1: of it. We've laughed about it, We've been disappointed in it.

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Speaker 1: The problem is this isn't a Doc Rivers issues. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about it before. This is a not having your

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Speaker 1: own Hall of Fame issue. If this were the NBA strictly,

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Speaker 1: you might have a different conversation. But because it's the

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Speaker 1: Natesmith Basketball Hall of Fame, well then if you're Doc

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Speaker 1: Rivers or his agent, you would say, well, why can't

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Speaker 1: he make it? You start looking at guys like Rick Adelman,

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Speaker 1: who is in the Hall of Fame. And again, Rick

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Speaker 1: Adelman never won a championship, had a bunch of playoffs,

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Speaker 1: sixteen playoff appearances as a coach, two NBA Finals appearances.

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Speaker 1: Remember those Portland Trailblazer team who that were good in

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Speaker 1: the late eighties early nineties and a bunch of wins.

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Speaker 1: But Doc Rivers would have the same thing. He has

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Speaker 1: a bunch of wins. He's got an NBA Championship, He's

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Speaker 1: been to another NBA Finals, He's been to another Eastern

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Speaker 1: Conference Finals. He played in the NBA for thirteen seasons.

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Speaker 1: He was a one time All Star in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think Doc Rivers is a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: But the president has been set several times over in

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Speaker 1: the Natesmith Basketball Hall of Fame, where you have plenty

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Speaker 1: of people who are in there that we go, well,

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Speaker 1: how this person make it? Well, that person, how they

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Speaker 1: make it? So, if you're Doc Rivers or the voting panel,

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Speaker 1: how did this person make it?

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Speaker 4: And so to me, that's why again the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Rob and I have had it, maybe it's time to

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Speaker 1: really strongly consider and MBA where it is a high

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Speaker 1: brow it is hard to get in, it is difficult.

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Speaker 1: It's like baseball, it's like football where it's getting very

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Speaker 1: difficult to get in. And that becomes something because with

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Speaker 1: the Naismith basketball. A lot of people get in who

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Speaker 4: When you consider he was a player, he was an

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Speaker 1: He is a coach who's won a bunch, who lost

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Speaker 1: Kelvin doesn't want to vote him in, but history says

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Speaker 5: The Basketball Hall of Fame. Is a total embarrassment. It's

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Speaker 5: We are putting in mediocre coaches who have had a

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Speaker 5: no way that feels good. You gotta ask yourself. Most

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Speaker 6: I just don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't know under what I want. The playing career fine,

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Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame. Sorry, And the same thing, winning

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Speaker 6: Mean you get in.

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Speaker 5: There are quarterbacks in the NFL won two Super Bowls

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Speaker 6: The Hall of Fame. Not Jim Blucket won two Super Bowls.

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Speaker 6: He's not in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: Just because you want to such an NBA championship doesn't

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Speaker 5: work stinks, it does. I don't know if you you

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Speaker 1: And I see that's where I don't think it stinks.

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Speaker 5: It stinks when you when you're giving up all these

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Speaker 6: At the end, I agree, Okay, if it was reversed.

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Speaker 5: this such an unworthy Hall of Fame, that there's a difference.

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Speaker 1: The problem is, again, you're right, because the bar has

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Speaker 1: all right now he is synonymous with losing, right Like

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Speaker 1: when you think of Doc Rivers, you no longer think

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Speaker 4: No, you think of losing.

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Speaker 1: You think of losing all those all those the times

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Speaker 1: and you get to Milwaukee and you got Yannest, you

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Speaker 1: got damn and that falls through when when you had Griffin,

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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers. It doesn't work there. So when I think

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Speaker 1: I think of underwhelming or underachieving or losing three to

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Speaker 1: now hall of fame. When I think of Phil Jackson,

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Speaker 4: When you think of Doc Rivers, you don't think of

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Speaker 4: something that warrants Hall of fame.

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Speaker 1: Good coach, had a good career, hey, pat on the back,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Hall of Famer when I think him.

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Speaker 1: And that's the problem. The bar is so low, Well,

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Speaker 3: Hours after entering a not guilty plea for charges of

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Speaker 3: life for a period of time to quote, seek treatment

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Speaker 3: lasting recovery. As you guys recall, last week, Tiger Woods

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Speaker 3: was involved in his fourth vehicular incident involving driving or

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Speaker 3: operating a vehicle while under the influence, usually involving prescription medications,

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Speaker 3: whether it be xanax ambient. In this case, two pills

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when we were prepared for the show, I talked

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Speaker 1: to Rob g and I was saying this and then that.

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Speaker 1: Right as we're getting ready to start our show, this

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Speaker 1: lifestyle adjustment, a massive lifestyle change for Tiger Woods, because,

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Speaker 1: by the grace of God, Rob, this has happened multiple times,

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Speaker 1: and we're not saying Tiger Woods has killed a three

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Speaker 1: car accident with two people dead, or you know, a

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Speaker 1: him to be the Tiger Woods. He was just even

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Speaker 1: based off injuries. So this isn't about golf anymore. This

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Speaker 4: Period. No one cares about golf, and I don't care

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Speaker 4: Screwgall forget a game, forget all that. That's what matters most.

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Speaker 5: But I think when I start to think about Tiger Woods,

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Speaker 6: There was an image of Tiger Woods. What kind of

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Speaker 6: Who is this guy?

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Speaker 4: And again there's levels to it.

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Speaker 6: needs help, and I'm glad he's getting it all right.

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Speaker 1: He toldlad he didn't even just try. He went straight

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Speaker 1: to that, you know what I mean, didn't try to,

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Speaker 1: Like we didn't have to wait weeks and months for

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Speaker 1: him to find the admitting like he just jumped right

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Speaker 1: straight into it.

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Speaker 6: Thank god.

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Speaker 4: I'm happy for him. Yeah, thank god.

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Speaker 1: ROGERI. I brought this up with Ephraim Kyle Shanahan. He's

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Speaker 1: saying that there is no benefit for Australia games, and

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Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about it. The forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers are going to be heading out to Australia, and

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Speaker 1: you even heard him talk about they got the coaches

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Speaker 1: all meeting right now.

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Speaker 4: He was kind of mad and was saying how the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Should have to come play them in Mexico, saying, if

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Speaker 1: we got to travel and they want to play us,

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Speaker 1: they should come and have to travel as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's exactly what's going on.

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Speaker 3: And what's interesting is Robert Kraft actually said this, I

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Speaker 3: think maybe end of February, early March. I don't even

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Speaker 3: know if he had time to get to it because

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Speaker 3: it was the Super Bowl and the fallout all that,

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Speaker 3: But according to Kraft, this is all part of like

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Speaker 3: a grand scheme by the NFL, by Roger Goodowell and

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Speaker 3: the powers that be that their plan is to get

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Speaker 3: to eighteen games and have every team play at least

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Speaker 3: least one international game per season. Now, this is the

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Speaker 3: first time they're playing in Australia. But as you guys

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Speaker 3: have noted, in what world does it make sense for

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Speaker 3: a league that claims to care about player safety to

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Speaker 3: add another regular season game and add to what he's

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Speaker 3: in eighteen hour flight to Australia.

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Speaker 5: Fourteen NonStop from LA I don't know where Ephraim was

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Speaker 5: flying from a what airline he was on. I don't know,

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Speaker 5: maybe it's it was fourteen hours. It was crazy. And

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you this, I've.

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Speaker 4: Ever done anything. I'm trying to think. Go ahead, I'm

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Speaker 4: just now.

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Speaker 5: But when you when you get off the plane, you're

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Speaker 5: like in another place. It was mind boggling to me.

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Speaker 5: It was really really strange. And then once you get

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Speaker 5: off the plane and you decide, Okay, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 5: here for a couple of weeks, right, two and a

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Speaker 5: half weeks or whatever. I'm telling you, a few days

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Speaker 5: in you think about how to get back on that

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Speaker 5: plane to go back.

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Speaker 6: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Like that that seems back in because Ephan said he

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Speaker 5: slept for ten hours.

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Speaker 6: Thank god.

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Speaker 4: It still was like how much more?

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Speaker 5: Rea was like, oh god? And I was on a

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Speaker 5: double decker. There were five hundred people on the flight.

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Speaker 5: It's two decks. Five hundred people fly when you fly

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Speaker 5: that far, and it's not gonna be You're not flying

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Speaker 5: thirty nine people, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: That five so we get more people like na, no, no,

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Speaker 4: we need more people. We're not doing that.

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Speaker 5: I don't understand it. I really don't. I think I'm

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Speaker 5: not you know, Shanahan. I think Shannon's right. It just

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Speaker 5: doesn't serve a purpose. You're not gonna you're not really

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Speaker 5: selling tickets, okay, a one time deal or something. But

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Speaker 5: people can watch if you have fans in Australia, they

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Speaker 5: keep doing the same thing. You can still sell merchandise

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Speaker 5: without having to play games there. People don't need a

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Speaker 5: game there every year. I just it's just greed, do

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean? If they can watch it

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Speaker 5: on they can watch it on television and all these

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Speaker 5: streaming devices. They can watch it in Australia. They can

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Speaker 5: go to NFL dot com and buy a jersey. Who

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Speaker 5: are had, you don't have to go there.

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Speaker 1: It's just in rob g Ass, how is this help

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Speaker 1: and how's this beneficial? And that's the thing, rob g

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Speaker 1: There's a certain point where somebody keeps showing you who

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Speaker 1: they are, and they've just been showing the NFL for years,

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Speaker 1: the players Association and everybody, even fans, we don't care.

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Speaker 4: We don't care about their health like that.

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Speaker 1: We'll do some things, we'll try to find a big pad,

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Speaker 1: the big pads on the helmet now that they wear,

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Speaker 1: but we ultimately don't care.

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Speaker 4: Let's add another game. Let's have you traveling all.

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Speaker 1: When players say I don't feel right when I'm traveling,

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Speaker 1: I'm all weird atout, I'm tired and concerned about my family,

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Speaker 1: all these different things, they say, yeah, yeah, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: we don't care.

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Speaker 4: And they continue to show you that. They continue to

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Speaker 4: show you.

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Speaker 1: They only give you five years of health insurance after

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Speaker 1: you play the game, and you only get five years

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Speaker 1: of insurance, and you're retiring at twenty seven, like twenty

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Speaker 1: eight average player, and you don't even think I'm healthy,

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Speaker 1: I'm in my best five prime position. You don't even

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Speaker 1: need health insurance even need it. And then when a

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Speaker 1: kick when you really need it. Like TJ who spazada

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Speaker 1: tootis He said, man, I didn't even need it. He

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Speaker 1: didn't go to a doctor for eight years after retired.

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Speaker 1: But of course three years after the health insurance is gone,

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Speaker 1: the league is officially they've pro proven many times that

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Speaker 1: they don't care about the place. It is up to

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Speaker 1: the players to either one or two things. You either

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Speaker 1: have to just know they don't care, and then do

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Speaker 1: it's best for you personally individually, meaning like, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna plan for this. I'm have my insurance that

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my money.

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Speaker 7: It's not even the players Association if they won an

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Speaker 7: eighteenth game, We're not gonna discuss it unless we get

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Speaker 7: a lifetime health insurance, right, I mean, but we.

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Speaker 1: Know that's not happening, right, That's what I said. Eventually,

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Speaker 1: you gotta just help.

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Speaker 5: They're dying for, right, They're dying for the eighteenth game. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you could have lifetime health care the same that they

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Speaker 5: get in Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 6: What is the problem. What's the problem.

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Speaker 4: You know what they'll do.

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Speaker 1: They'll stall you out, They'll start stalling checks and everybody

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Speaker 1: ain't Patrick Mahomes and you got second third string receivers

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Speaker 1: and second third string offensive linemen who are only making

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Speaker 1: I know it sounds crazy to the average American, but

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Speaker 1: only making like a million dollars and they know they

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Speaker 1: only gonna get it for like four years.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to waste that.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why they're praying on the little man

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Speaker 1: and not the guys who aren't making big bank to

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Speaker 1: eventually give in and not want to vote for stuff.

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Speaker 1: And they and they know that, and so that's why

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Speaker 1: I said, you have to just come into it knowing

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Speaker 1: I'm maximizing my opportunities financially, I'm investing, I'm saving because

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Speaker 1: I'm only you know, I'm only gonna get a handful

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Speaker 1: of cracks at this. I have to prepare for my insurance. Now,

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Speaker 1: Hey babe, hey wife, let's look into it. Let's do

571
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Speaker 1: it now, what's gonna be a good long term plan?

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Speaker 1: We can invest in all that kind of stuff because

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna look out for you. They're not setting

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Speaker 1: things up for you. And you have to be okay

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Speaker 1: going in and knowing that so you can do it

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Speaker 1: for yourself. But just travel and making these guys travel

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Speaker 1: all the way to Australia injuries, they're badter, they're already tired.

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Speaker 4: Just it makes zero sense.

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Speaker 1: Uh And and they eventually said, we don't care about you,

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Speaker 1: we dagner and started and not care about the American

581
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Speaker 1: fans anymore.

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Speaker 4: Rob we keep.

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Speaker 6: Taking games away from them.

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Speaker 4: We want global.

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Speaker 1: We have based out in America all you Mickey, Vicky's

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Speaker 1: love us.

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Speaker 4: We already know the number.

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Speaker 1: You know, one hundred and fifty million people are gonna

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Speaker 1: watch the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Whatever. We know where we're at with y'all.

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Speaker 1: Let's go get fans in Australia, Let's go get fans

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Speaker 1: in Mexico, Let's go get fans in Ireland, Let's go

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Speaker 1: get fans across the world. That's all they care about

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Speaker 1: at this point is tapping into the global market.

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Speaker 4: And it made it very abundantly clear at this point