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Speaker 2: And we're back, guys, just a little over three weeks

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Speaker 2: to go to the draft. We've rifled through a lot

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Speaker 2: of prospect videos and we're here just to kick off

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Speaker 2: this show talking about some of the latest draft news.

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Speaker 2: I think we're kind of settling into silly season. Paul

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Speaker 2: feels like this is when people start to, you know,

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Speaker 2: you hear things like what that doesn't make sense? They

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Speaker 2: love that guy, most notably with Tony Pauline's report yesterday

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Speaker 2: that Elliott wolf enamored with JJ McCarthy, the hot new

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Speaker 2: name here on the mock draft circuit. So what do

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Speaker 2: you take away from that anything?

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Speaker 3: I don't take much in terms of what it means

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Speaker 3: directly to the Patriots. I think that Elliott Wolf and

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Speaker 3: the you know, the cast of thousands that he's evidently

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Speaker 3: been traveling with while you know, going on to watch

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Speaker 3: all these guys. I think McCarthy's an interesting prospect only

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Speaker 3: because of what I've been saying all along. I just

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Speaker 3: think he has the most unknown because I just haven't

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Speaker 3: seen him be able to do all the things that

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Speaker 3: all the other guys had to do for their teams

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Speaker 3: in college. So I think there's a skill set there,

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Speaker 3: you know. I think he's got you know, good enough size.

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Speaker 3: I think he runs tough. I think he's pretty athletic.

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Speaker 3: I think he's shown that he can move around and

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Speaker 3: make plays outside the pocket. But like I said, I

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Speaker 3: just haven't seen him be able to, you know, put

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Speaker 3: a team on his back and have to throw the

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Speaker 3: ball thirty five forty forty five times to ensure victory.

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Speaker 3: I've seen all the other guys have to do that

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Speaker 3: from time to time.

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Speaker 2: Van, I'm gonna tee up. And the last episode we

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Speaker 2: showed a film breakdown, you did a McCarthy. You know,

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Speaker 2: we talked so much about guys like Mac Jones and

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and these guys that come from LSU and

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Speaker 2: Alabama that have superstar casts around them, and maybe not

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Speaker 2: quite the case with JJ McCarthy. Do you think he's

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Speaker 2: get I think downgraded before you know, think if he

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Speaker 2: was playing on one of those teams, Yeah, I'd be

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Speaker 2: talking a little bit higher about it.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's what a lot of people that like JJ

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Speaker 4: McCarthy will tell you. I'll just say this along the

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Speaker 4: same lines as Paul. Last week it was that the

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Speaker 4: Commanders are enamored with JJ McCarthy. This week it's now

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Speaker 4: the Patriots that are enamored with JJ McCarthy. So I

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Speaker 4: think that people are just trying to figure out where

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Speaker 4: to put JJ McCarthy. Like, obviously he's a guy that's

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Speaker 4: going to go a little bit higher than maybe we

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Speaker 4: thought a couple months ago. He's going to probably go

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Speaker 4: or are we more talking about in that mac Jones?

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Speaker 4: Can he Pickett range in the teens? I would just

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Speaker 4: say that proceed with caution this time of year. This

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Speaker 4: time last year, Will Levis was a top ten pick.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty one, Mac Jones was a San Francisco

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Speaker 4: forty nine er at number three overall. Then we get

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Speaker 4: to the draft and they end up finding their level

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Speaker 4: and they end up going in a more comfortable range

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Speaker 4: for their skill set. I think that there's a lot

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Speaker 4: and just the ball of clay that he is. You know,

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Speaker 4: he does have the ability, like Paul said, to move

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Speaker 4: he's got a plus arm. I wouldn't say it's an

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Speaker 2: So that's how I wanted to go. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I put out my latest mock draft, So yeah, Drake

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Speaker 2: Draft Countdown, we have a full film segment where Evan

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Speaker 2: with McCarthy. So, guys, let's just kind of hash out

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Speaker 2: these two a little bit right now, because it's like

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Speaker 2: the more things change, the more they say the same Paul,

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Speaker 2: you said a couple of shows ago, you know, on Unfiltered,

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Speaker 2: we've been talking about the same stuff. Ultimately, does it

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Speaker 3: And I think that particular thing I think boils down

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Speaker 3: just because we don't necessarily look at McCarthy in that

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Speaker 2: You know, like that.

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Speaker 3: So I like the idea of May because I just

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Speaker 2: I like May.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of them, but certainly I understand

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Speaker 3: the upside with with Daniels too. I know evan't got

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll talk about the Pro days. You were

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing with Jaden Daniels is that

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Speaker 4: I didn't look at him and say, Wow, this arm

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Speaker 4: It doesn't make a difference. He can just flick at

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Speaker 4: eventually all of the running and off platform stuff is

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Speaker 4: I think you're really counting on the whole package, the

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Speaker 5: I think Jaden Daniels, I don't think we're ready for him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when it comes to elevator the players around them,

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Speaker 4: I think that Jayden Daniels could distribute the ball to

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Speaker 4: I just think Drake May brings more to the table

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Speaker 2: All Right, we're here now talking the defensive front seven guys.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna include three different position groups here, because let's

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Speaker 2: face it, the Patriots need offense, and I would make

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Speaker 2: an argument that they need some front seven help in

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Speaker 2: the not too distant future, but for this year, just

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Speaker 2: running down real quick, I mean Lawrence guy departed. However,

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Speaker 2: the edge, and so it's not impossible to see them

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of looking at this like we talked

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Speaker 3: For me, He's actually one that I'm really high on

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Speaker 3: I think that's a guy that he screened Patriot when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like Dallas Turner two, Alabama guy. I

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Speaker 3: Lot two is one of my favorite guys because I

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Speaker 3: I think it might have been against USC and he

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Speaker 1: He's your prototypical edge rusher. I mean thirteen sacks in

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Speaker 2: That's what they need like, you know, I think they.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's just it's an underrated need and that's

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Speaker 1: No, he's great, honestly, always in the backfield, just always,

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Speaker 3: you know Anthony Jennings, physical edge setter or would you

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Speaker 2: A great question, Paul, I mean I love that you

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Speaker 2: you know, two later around options. I think the cover

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Speaker 2: You know, Nelson Caesar is one who's kind of been

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Speaker 2: more that prototypical, has the power, you know as a captain,

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Speaker 2: Uch is with his you know o J speed around

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Speaker 5: If you're taking to edge rusher, I want to get

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys watched the one in

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Speaker 5: a beast, just gets back. They're very violent and aggressive

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Speaker 5: five forrest fumbles, forty five and a half tackles for

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Speaker 5: I think if you're taking an edge rusher as the Patriots,

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Speaker 5: you know we have Judon Anthony Jennings uch is you're

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Speaker 2: So that's my thought there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Pageers retaining Uch shows that they

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Speaker 3: The j I was gonna say, I know, you want

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Speaker 2: Possibility, Like I'd throw Chris Braswell from another guy at

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Speaker 2: get him off Oocha's in. Like it's just you'd love

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Speaker 2: that you can kind of develop and allow him to

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Speaker 2: the you know, the big guys inside, I just wanted to,

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Speaker 2: you know, highlight Peyton Wilson from NC State, who he

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Speaker 2: absolutely flying. Just a lot of injury concerns with him.

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Speaker 2: I think the Patriots are probably mostly set inside right now,

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Speaker 2: but he's one guy if you wanted to kind of

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Speaker 2: on the second level. Again, probably gonna go too high

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Speaker 5: I got another guy which might be the pat sweet

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Speaker 5: spot kind of maybe fourth round Cedric Gray from UNC.

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Speaker 5: but that he kind of is like a Jennings to me, like,

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Speaker 5: you know, develop him works out great. If not, like

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Speaker 5: that's a guy I'd look out for. Also UNC, you

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Speaker 2: That doesn't work, Chris, you got any you got any

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Speaker 1: I have a couple of the d ls in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will tee us up with the biggest of

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Speaker 1: So all right, Braden Fisk out of Florida's I mean

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Speaker 1: Uh in that forty yard dash of his. But he's

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Speaker 1: run stuffer. But also you can get to the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's quick. I mean if he gets his hands inside you,

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Speaker 2: You lost that battle.

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Speaker 2: Aggressive, I mean just he's I forget what with what

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Speaker 2: the word I wrote, but he just I mean he's

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Speaker 2: a dog. You just tell like he's he's gonna come in,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna play hard. But I thought you were gonna

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Speaker 2: go with Tovandre Sweat. It's just big. That's a big dude.

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Speaker 2: He can move it in the sor bawl. I mean

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Speaker 5: You're at a five to five point two or something,

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Speaker 2: It's like mass equals four times acceleration. They're like, oh

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Speaker 2: like you know, te Trick Whise. You know, is is

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Speaker 2: maybe you know, considering key On White to be in

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Speaker 2: some of those space eaters. That's those kind of two

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Speaker 2: But Paul, you you mentioned Sweat great in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, He's made a lot of plays. He was

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Speaker 3: defensively as a team, and obviously Washington had their way

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Speaker 3: showed up in most of the games. I watched Chris Jenkins,

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Speaker 3: another kid from Michigan. We talked about in some of

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Speaker 3: earlier shows about the kids of pros, and we didn't

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Speaker 3: talk on the off ball linebackers of Jeremiah Trotter. Same

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Speaker 3: intrigued by those guys, especially when they play similar you know, positions,

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Speaker 3: high profile with Marvin Harrison. Chris Jenkins's dad was a

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Speaker 3: tremendous All Pro caliber interior defensive lineman. So I don't

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Speaker 3: know where he's gonna fall. He's probably Day two rather

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Speaker 3: But another guy to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 5: I had a Row Row Row got that right, I

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Speaker 5: He's really he's a big boy. It really takes up

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Speaker 5: space for the linebackers, free them up. I just think, like,

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Speaker 5: he might go a little too high. I also had

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Speaker 5: Leonard Taylor, third LT. Three from Miami, another big guy,

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Speaker 5: just take him, why.

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Speaker 1: Not, and not to cut you off, but just going in.

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Speaker 1: I mean Mason Smith, another big interior guy, and we

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Speaker 1: talked about a little bit earlier, but six five, three

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Speaker 1: hundred and six pounds, like another big fellow. But he's quick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: five oh one forty yard dash. I mean that's impressive

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Speaker 1: and something you can be agile when you need him

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Speaker 1: to be. Uh so again another run stuffer there for.

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Speaker 2: Another kind of tototypical three four D end and that's

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of what I was looking at with

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Speaker 2: some of these guys is day three two gappers And

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Speaker 2: it's not sexy, it's you know, it's it's these you know,

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Speaker 2: big guys that aren't gonna do a lot. They're probably

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Speaker 2: going to be just the first two downs. But I

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Speaker 2: think when you look at the Patriots defense and some structure,

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Speaker 2: this is you know what they want. They want a

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Speaker 2: couple guys inside that can take up multiple blockers. You

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Speaker 2: mentioned Smith, I'd also say Jordan Jefferson from US you

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Speaker 2: who probably more of a penetrator and you know, more

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Speaker 2: of that bar More type. But that's kind of where

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Speaker 2: I get confused. And yet, you know, you had a

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Speaker 2: good question Paul about just what are you looking for

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Speaker 2: on the edge, and it's you know, it's still how

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Speaker 2: are they going to evolve? I think you always need

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Speaker 2: both those two gapper tites, but you need guys like

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Speaker 2: Jefferson too, who have some speed like Barmore and can

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Speaker 2: penetrate and can affect the quarterback just specifically.

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Speaker 3: I'd be curious to see how the Patriots feel about it.

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Speaker 3: Is that going to change, you know, what they're actually

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Speaker 3: looking for with with Bill Gohn and you know, just

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Speaker 3: maybe Girod try to put some of an imprint of

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Speaker 3: his own on this or is it just kind of

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Speaker 3: stick to the system the way the way it is run.

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Speaker 2: Kind of covering all their bases, you know, like we

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Speaker 2: got penetrators, we got two gappers, we got run stopping

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Speaker 2: as you know, it's hard to have that like amount

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Speaker 2: of players and then have to like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bill always seemed to be reluctant to sacrifice size

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Speaker 3: and physicality on the edge for pure rushing. So be

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Speaker 3: like I said, be curious to see if Gerad feels

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Speaker 3: the same, or if he decides to go after some

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Speaker 3: of these two hundred and forty pound edge guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that probably aren't going to hold up against the run bike,

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Speaker 3: you know, Anthony Jennings is you know, but maybe you

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Speaker 3: get a little more explosiveness out there.

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Speaker 1: I think the Patriots also have like the age difference

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Speaker 1: between your interior guys. I mean you have the Christian Barmers,

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Speaker 1: who's still kind of young, but then you have Davon

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Speaker 1: Gotchaudis wise like they're getting up there in age, and

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Speaker 1: you want to see which guys can really fit in

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Speaker 1: that type of role, especially if there's going to be

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Speaker 1: some flow there.

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's not twenty twenty five, but after

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Speaker 2: next year, it's like nobody in the front seven center

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Speaker 2: contract and actually it might be an exit next year,

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Speaker 2: so it's like these guys are all coming up, so

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Speaker 2: it's you do have to have a mind for the future.

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Speaker 2: One last name I'll just mentioned Jaden and Cromedy from

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Speaker 2: Mississippi State, another four year starter, big powerful, two gapping,

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Speaker 2: interior day three type guy. I could see that kind

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Speaker 2: of pick making sense, especially if guys, you know, Jeremiah

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Speaker 2: farm Sam Roberts maybe not quite developing. I know we've

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Speaker 2: heard from Elliot Wolf that they want to play these

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Speaker 2: guys a little bit more, so, you know, maybe that

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Speaker 2: that allows them to have some depth with some of

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Speaker 2: these guys you haven't played.

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Speaker 3: He's got to get some he's got to get a

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Speaker 3: prominent role, right, Yeah, your second round pick, year two,

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Speaker 3: it's time.

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Speaker 2: Get him in there. You got anybody.

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Speaker 5: Else's I Paul touched them a little. Just Jeremi Trotter.

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Speaker 5: I know he's a linebacker.

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Speaker 2: I just watched that.

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Speaker 5: They don't make linebackers like that anymore. He's wearing number

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Speaker 5: fifty four, just the center green dot guy, and he's

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Speaker 5: gonna go too high for the Pats. But I mean

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Speaker 5: just he's quite a player, so it'd be interesting to

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Speaker 5: see if they did something there.

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Speaker 2: But all right, well, a lot of options there for

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Speaker 2: the Patriots to consider. We talked about their needs and

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Speaker 2: the depth and all that. So that's going to wrap

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Speaker 2: up the defensive side of the ball. Just a few

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Speaker 2: episodes left, and of course we'll finish off with a

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Speaker 2: full live hour episode wrap up everything we learned here.

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Speaker 2: I know everybody's getting itchy for the draft, so be

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Speaker 2: sure to stick with us here on Patriots Draft Countdown

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Speaker 2: releast every Wednesday,