WEBVTT - That's My Husband

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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<v Speaker 1>with on our radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey guys, we welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>Ben and I are here to recap episode two of

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<v Speaker 2>Grant season.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Ben, what's up.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a big episode obviously every season. It's where we

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<v Speaker 4>start to get to know the contestants involved and we

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<v Speaker 4>start to see maybe some themes that will understand from

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<v Speaker 4>the Bachelor or wherever the lead is throughout the season.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember Joey's season, Episode two is where we're really

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<v Speaker 4>started to go. This guy's got what it takes to

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<v Speaker 4>be a really good lead. He was listening, he was responding,

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<v Speaker 4>and the season kind of picked up from episode two.

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<v Speaker 4>This episode, we were just talking, have a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>high hopes for the season in front of us. There

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<v Speaker 4>is some shocking moments that we're going to talk about.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the most shocking moments I've had in recent

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<v Speaker 4>history when it comes to eliminations. The other Mark and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know listeners argue with us on this. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want this to sound like a bashing of the show.

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<v Speaker 4>We're obviously still into the show when we have a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of high hopes for us this season, but one

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<v Speaker 4>of the words I would use to describe this episode

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<v Speaker 4>specifically was a little cringey. It was had a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of like dead awkward moments for me.

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<v Speaker 5>There was so many unimportant moments for me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I always say, like the moments that make

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<v Speaker 2>me want to grab my phone and start scrolling.

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<v Speaker 5>I had a.

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<v Speaker 2>Number of those where I was just listening and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, this is so inconsequential.

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<v Speaker 4>It felt like, you know, we watched the Bachelor franchise

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<v Speaker 4>because it is that upper level reality show where yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you can fantasize, you can romanticize, you can

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<v Speaker 4>get hooked into the storylines, and it feels like, in

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of ways, it's not reality and it isn't right.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not gonna go on helicopter rides, You're not going

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<v Speaker 4>to go these fancy dates. You're not gonna have this

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<v Speaker 4>person show up to a random place and play a

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<v Speaker 4>private concert for you. A lot of this is all overblown.

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<v Speaker 4>This episode, I think, almost to me felt like watching

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<v Speaker 4>a home video.

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, okay, wow, I was gonna say we TV,

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<v Speaker 2>but you just beat it there with the home video.

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<v Speaker 5>It felt really low budget.

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<v Speaker 4>It did okay, so let's dive in and talk about

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<v Speaker 4>this episode, the good, the bad's the uglies, and why

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<v Speaker 4>we maybe felt like it missed the mark when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to the standard that's been placed for over twenty

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<v Speaker 4>five seasons on The Bachelor.

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<v Speaker 3>So start at the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>The ladies are in the house, they're excited, and we've

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<v Speaker 4>had enough Grant puns so far to fulfill those quota

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<v Speaker 4>for the rest of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're still continuing with the that's my husband, that's

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<v Speaker 2>my husband talk. I still think it's way more this

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<v Speaker 2>season than ever before.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, Parisa gets through this week and Alicia didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just discovering this reading out that group list.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to talk about that in a bit, Ashley.

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<v Speaker 4>That's obviously one of the most shocking moments for us

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<v Speaker 4>this season. This is a group date where they're going

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<v Speaker 4>to play basketball. It makes sense. It's what Grant loves,

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<v Speaker 4>it's what he did professionally. We knew this was coming.

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<v Speaker 4>They weren't going to miss the opportunity to do a

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<v Speaker 4>basketball date. They had the kids involved, which is always

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<v Speaker 4>a good added touch. However, I felt the kids were

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<v Speaker 4>underutilized when it comes to their comedic relief, their energy levels,

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<v Speaker 4>the ways they could almost put pressure on these women

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit because they ask good questions. I felt

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<v Speaker 4>like the kids this episode or this date were underutilized,

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<v Speaker 4>I agree, and almost made it not make sense on

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<v Speaker 4>why they were there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, that was a point that I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think about, but now that you mention it, I agree,

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<v Speaker 2>because they were really cute when they were fair. The

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<v Speaker 2>shining moment with them was definitely with Natalie. Was she

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<v Speaker 2>sat with that girl and what did they even I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember what they talked about.

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<v Speaker 3>That girl was like.

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<v Speaker 4>Out of breath and now kind of like calm back down,

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<v Speaker 4>which was very sweet. It was very much a show

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<v Speaker 4>of comfort that she knows what she's doing, She's fine

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<v Speaker 4>in those situations. This date really is marked by the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that they played basketball. Nobody there as a contestant

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<v Speaker 4>is extremely good at basketball, but they The whole point

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<v Speaker 4>of this date I think leads up to the most

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<v Speaker 4>climactic moment, which is where Zoe steals Grant away from

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<v Speaker 4>really their only group activity during this date, which is

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<v Speaker 4>a dunk contest, which could have been funny to watch.

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<v Speaker 4>I could have seen where it made like decent television

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<v Speaker 4>to see these women trying some fancy dunks and doing

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<v Speaker 4>some funny stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>How are they gonna dunk? Is that why it never happened?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, not on ten foot, But Zoe steals grant Away.

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<v Speaker 3>So my first question to you, Ashley as we break

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<v Speaker 3>this episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Down, is Zoe in the wrong for stealing grant Away

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<v Speaker 4>in this moment?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe did it when she did it when she was

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<v Speaker 2>told to do it.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't get around it.

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<v Speaker 3>But she did.

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<v Speaker 4>She did it, and so it doesn't matter if she

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<v Speaker 4>was go erst or told hey, this is a good idea.

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<v Speaker 3>She did it. She made the choice to do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and so was it a good decision?

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<v Speaker 5>No, No, it's never a good decision.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a good decision sometimes if you actually is

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<v Speaker 2>it really ever a good decision?

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<v Speaker 5>Is it really ever?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's a good decision.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I don't think so. I thought that she also

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<v Speaker 5>seemed so. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>When she took up to the roof, I didn't like

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<v Speaker 2>the way she was talking to him. I can't really

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<v Speaker 2>describe how she was talking to him, but like it

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<v Speaker 2>was just like yeah, no, yeah no, And I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, God, this is why you stole him to

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<v Speaker 2>have this kind of conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it always shows a little desperation when

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<v Speaker 4>somebody does something like this. I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 4>a bad decision. In two or three weeks, when you're

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<v Speaker 4>on a group date and you're like, Hey, we haven't

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<v Speaker 4>had any one on one time. I want to make

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<v Speaker 4>the effort to get someone on one time with you

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<v Speaker 4>because it doesn't seem to be happening any other time,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I am going to ask you to spend

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<v Speaker 4>some time with me. This on the first group date,

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<v Speaker 4>when the women are still trying to figure out what

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<v Speaker 4>and the heck they're doing here and how these things

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<v Speaker 4>even work. Yeah, it felt like there's only one way

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<v Speaker 4>this could go, and it would be controversial with the

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<v Speaker 4>women involved. Now, the controversy is going to happen. Issues

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<v Speaker 4>are going to happen in the house. That's how the

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<v Speaker 4>show's set up. But I think a philosophy for most

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<v Speaker 4>people as they come on the show Kelsey on Joey's

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<v Speaker 4>season would be a great example of this is, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>try not to force controversy or try not to allow

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<v Speaker 4>controversy to slip in. And this interruption feels like it

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<v Speaker 4>would only go one way with everybody else in the house.

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<v Speaker 4>And honestly, I don't know if Grant's far enough into

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<v Speaker 4>it yet, but at some point he'll get there or

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<v Speaker 4>he should have said no. The reason is it distracts

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<v Speaker 4>him from the date. It makes everybody stand around for

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<v Speaker 4>as long as they were away from each other. So

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<v Speaker 4>it does make the women a little bit upset with

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<v Speaker 4>him or just not having a good time. And the

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<v Speaker 4>best thing he has on his side right now, Ashley,

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<v Speaker 4>is that the women could at least have a good

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<v Speaker 4>time during these dates. Like that's the one thing he

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<v Speaker 4>has to his advantage is these dates are going to

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<v Speaker 4>be set up for everybody to enjoy themselves, and if

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<v Speaker 4>he loses that, he just has a bunch of bored, angry,

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<v Speaker 4>confused people.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the steal that I thought was interesting was later

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<v Speaker 2>at the cocktail party, Ali Joe did she interrupt? I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like she was the one that she was like

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<v Speaker 2>totally done with Zoe and Kauz. Zoe interrupted Juliana, We

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<v Speaker 2>like Juliana, but Ali Joe.

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<v Speaker 5>Is like, hey, can I can I steal you?

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<v Speaker 2>And then she was like he hesitated, and he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to come back to you. Like he's still

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<v Speaker 2>into Zoe, doesn't care about any of these interruptions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, I want to give you the two minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, I want to give your last two minutes

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Grant's going to be a great bachelor. I

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<v Speaker 4>think he's a very handsome. I think he's kind. I

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<v Speaker 4>think he cares. I'd say, if we're at all picking

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<v Speaker 4>apart his strategy or how he's looking at things right now,

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<v Speaker 4>I would say his mistake is that he might be

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<v Speaker 4>too easily swayed by some of these interruptions and that

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<v Speaker 4>he should have said no to both of these. They're

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<v Speaker 4>not helpful. Right, You've already had your time. What's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be said in the next five minute conversation that

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<v Speaker 4>you have that wouldn't be said already.

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<v Speaker 3>When she stole you?

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<v Speaker 4>And so he needs to, in a sense, manage this

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<v Speaker 4>thing before it blows up on him, and that every

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<v Speaker 4>woman in the house is mad at each other or

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<v Speaker 4>they're mad at Zoe. If he likes her, one of

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<v Speaker 4>the ways to show that he likes her is to

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<v Speaker 4>protect her and say, hey, this isn't a good points like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>we're good, you're going to be here next week.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll get another week together. It's gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But I'm want to go move and talk to

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<v Speaker 4>some of the other ladies. He also has some This

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<v Speaker 4>is the wrong word, but I think it will make

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<v Speaker 4>sense fighters in the house, meaning they aren't afraid to

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<v Speaker 4>stand up for what they believe in and what they

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<v Speaker 4>think is right. And I think we're already seeing that,

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<v Speaker 4>which is a great quality to a human. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>a bad quality. But what it does do when you

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<v Speaker 4>have enough of those and they have a common enemy,

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<v Speaker 4>it can get very chaotic. Yeah, in the house and

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<v Speaker 4>on these dates.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So we know that Zoe is a fighter. We

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<v Speaker 2>know Ali Joe is a fighter. Anyone else who's like

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<v Speaker 2>really sticking out to you. I'm even thinking that Chloe

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<v Speaker 2>could be.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I think Chloe could be. I do

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<v Speaker 4>think Juliana has a little bit of it in her.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think we're gonna see, like some of the

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<v Speaker 4>Baileys of the world stand up at some point. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think so far what we're seeing is at least

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<v Speaker 4>we've got a few on this date specifically. Now, honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't matter which team won. One team blew out

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<v Speaker 4>the other wasn't even a game, which I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>really mattered when it came to this date at all.

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<v Speaker 4>It it almost I wish it would have because it

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<v Speaker 4>would have made this date a little more important, But honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>it felt like the basketball date, for all they could

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<v Speaker 4>have done with it, was just a filler in a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of ways, Like that. Was there anything really that

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<v Speaker 4>came from that date of importance other than Chloe getting

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Of time with him?

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<v Speaker 5>Not really.

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<v Speaker 2>I could it would be nice if he did one

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<v Speaker 2>on one with both the girls. Yeah, it could have

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<v Speaker 2>also been like kind of intimates.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're through the first part of the date and

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<v Speaker 4>we move on to a really beautiful date with Alex.

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<v Speaker 4>On one date, Alex did receive the first impression Rose,

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<v Speaker 4>which Commit promised her the first one on one date

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<v Speaker 4>of the season.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that idea.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that the first impression Rows also gets the

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<v Speaker 4>first one on one. However, I do think it really

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<v Speaker 4>catapults them to the top and far beyond for a

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<v Speaker 4>few weeks everybody else. But I do like what the

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<v Speaker 4>show did this season where add a little bit uh

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<v Speaker 4>more to that first impression Rose, Alex and Grant have

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<v Speaker 4>a tremendous first date.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was again odd for the show. They

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<v Speaker 3>did it in like a mall.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, this is the Beverly summer, like I

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<v Speaker 5>used to just go shop there. Yeah, it's just like

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<v Speaker 5>the most average. Honestly, it's a really average mall these days.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it looks like any other mall that like

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<v Speaker 4>isn't really in business anymore. And they had it to themselves,

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<v Speaker 4>which is cool. And I love the smell of them all.

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<v Speaker 5>I love the smell of them all.

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<v Speaker 3>The fountain in the middle that makes them all.

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<v Speaker 4>Like chlorine, and then you know everybody's like germs everywhere

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<v Speaker 4>and the prencil like malls a cool place. I wish

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<v Speaker 4>the mall would make its resurgence, even though I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know how it would, but to have it the day

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<v Speaker 4>stable at the mall, it feels again like it missed

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<v Speaker 4>the mark because it wasn't. I don't know what it

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<v Speaker 4>was like. I don't know the point of going to

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<v Speaker 4>the mall. And then they like had some stars open

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<v Speaker 4>to them and they got to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't even know if. I mean, these people

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<v Speaker 4>are so young, did they even ever go to a

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<v Speaker 4>mall growing up? I mean, Grant said he did, but

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<v Speaker 4>did he really?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right, there is a there's a four year

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<v Speaker 2>age gap with us.

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<v Speaker 5>Isn't he thirty two?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he's thirty, so he's six years there. The malls

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<v Speaker 2>were still around. I understand what they were doing. The

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<v Speaker 2>purpose was to make them feel like kids again. It

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<v Speaker 2>was silly though. It's like the big wow factors, like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a big rose on the screen and she's supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be like, holy cow, oh there's a rose on

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<v Speaker 2>the screen. And then they go around and do these

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<v Speaker 2>silly bachelor things where it's like they bump each other

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<v Speaker 2>with these moving stuff animal horses, and they jump on

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<v Speaker 2>a bed as if like in life, we ever effing

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<v Speaker 2>jump on a bed.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never jumped on a bed in my life. And

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<v Speaker 3>they broke that bed.

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<v Speaker 4>So the show really backfired on if they're doing low

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<v Speaker 4>budget date, they're like, no, now I have to buy

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<v Speaker 4>a bed. I can see how this played out, though,

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<v Speaker 4>for whatever reason, this is what the show chose to do.

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<v Speaker 4>These are my least favorite dates, Ashulely when I was

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<v Speaker 4>a bachelor, because there was so many activities that the

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<v Speaker 4>show wanted you to do. You can't like get in

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<v Speaker 4>a rhythm and you're like bouncing around from the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Now the show's like how fun would it be if

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<v Speaker 4>you got on those things and hit each other? And

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<v Speaker 4>you're like, wasn't really thinking about that, but yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 4>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just like it's stupid giggles to me, like I

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<v Speaker 2>think i'd be doing this. I'm just feeling like really dumb,

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<v Speaker 2>like I would never do this with somebody, and like

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't that much fun. I can't pretend like it's fun.

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<v Speaker 4>It's too planned, is what I would say. Is it's

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<v Speaker 4>too formulaic to make it fun. There's too many things

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<v Speaker 4>that we're asked. If they just said, hey, let's go

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<v Speaker 4>to the mall, we're going to open up a few stores,

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<v Speaker 4>you guys like have your pick and have a little

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<v Speaker 4>fun with them, great, But they had all this set

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<v Speaker 4>up and so it was like almost like they were

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<v Speaker 4>moving station to station to station instead of just like

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<v Speaker 4>kind of letting loose. So as a result, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know how much of their personality we actually got to see,

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<v Speaker 4>because I think it was also planned and it felt

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<v Speaker 4>planned to me. I do, though, think they're date together.

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<v Speaker 4>They have the chemistry, they have the comfort it feels

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<v Speaker 4>like the two of them are very attracted to each other,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I am leaving this date going a great

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<v Speaker 4>first date again it so let usfies our idea that

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<v Speaker 4>Alex is going to probably be here a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Great first date. You forgot to mention the most important

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<v Speaker 2>part to the date to me, and that was when

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<v Speaker 2>he played the piano for her. That could have been

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<v Speaker 2>the only stop.

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<v Speaker 3>It was good, It was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I had so much respect for him ad liping that song,

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<v Speaker 2>coming up with that from the top of his head

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<v Speaker 2>like there is a hook there. It was a romantic

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<v Speaker 2>That was a That was a good bachelor moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Shout out to Grant for coming out with his first

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<v Speaker 4>single on Spotify last week.

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<v Speaker 5>I would download it like, there's that dune, dune dune?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you come up with that on the spot

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<v Speaker 2>That's just a lot about somebody's No, he did actually.

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<v Speaker 4>Come out with the song on Spotify last week. Oh really,

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<v Speaker 4>not that song, but a different song. Oh yeah, party

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<v Speaker 4>girl or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Really need to hear this, No, you gotta look it up.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not the song you heard it girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't it make sense if it was this song? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I would actually want to listen to this song again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, it did. He did. I mean he's great.

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<v Speaker 4>He's he's very swoony in these moments, and you can

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<v Speaker 4>see why people or why the girls are like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>I like this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Again.

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<v Speaker 4>I go back to thinking, I think he's going to

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<v Speaker 4>be a great lead if he doesn't get in trouble

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<v Speaker 4>in the house, meaning that this chaos becomes such a

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<v Speaker 4>focus point that he can't actually invest in these relationships

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<v Speaker 4>because he's going to have four or five dates and

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<v Speaker 4>the women are going to go I got to tell

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<v Speaker 4>you what's going on in the house. And that's always

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<v Speaker 4>some annoying moment of the season, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to happen a lot this season. I just expect it,

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<v Speaker 4>and then it's going to take away from who he

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<v Speaker 4>is and what the relationships could be. But I think

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<v Speaker 4>you and I both agree, Ashley, we walk away from

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<v Speaker 4>this one on one outside of everything else going, this

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<v Speaker 4>is a they have a legitimate shot, right Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have a lot of commonality in their background

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<v Speaker 2>with having issues with parents and feeling like they come from.

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<v Speaker 5>Sort of a broken home. Yeah, especially with her.

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely they talk about it, and I think there is

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<v Speaker 4>a comfort, and I think she says it, there's a

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<v Speaker 4>comfort knowing that like Grant can relate with me and

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<v Speaker 4>that he understands the situation I'm in. I think that

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<v Speaker 4>obviously is a huge point. And here's the interesting part, Ashley.

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<v Speaker 4>Some seasons we see this being told second third one.

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<v Speaker 4>I went in right later in the season like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to let you know Hometown's is going

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<v Speaker 4>to be rough for me because here's my family dynamic.

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<v Speaker 4>It's interesting to me that this was brought up right

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<v Speaker 4>away and that they both could be shared, you know,

0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:41.920
<v Speaker 4>similar experiences, and that that's already on the table, so

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<v Speaker 4>both of them know when they talk about family, this

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<v Speaker 4>is what the response is going to be, or maybe hey,

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<v Speaker 4>I'd rather not talk about family. I do think it

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<v Speaker 4>showed a level of comfort with the two of them

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<v Speaker 4>that isn't always shown so early on.

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<v Speaker 5>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think that it's nice that the two of

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<v Speaker 2>them know that they want to raise families, knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>they want to do the opposite of how they were raised.

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<v Speaker 4>That's yeah, and that's such a I mean, here's maybe

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just picky. I would love in those moments for

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<v Speaker 4>either of them to be like can you tell me

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<v Speaker 4>more about what you mean by that?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, maybe they did and we just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see it, because obviously they had a long time there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually think that they may have been there

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<v Speaker 2>until the sun rose, because I feel like I was

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<v Speaker 2>seeing glimmers of sunlight in there, and you know that

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't start until it got dark, So that's a

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<v Speaker 2>really late time to start a one on one.

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<v Speaker 3>This sounds terrible. I think we how bad your breath

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<v Speaker 3>would be by the time the date's over.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, especially after're talking all that time than having champagne,

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<v Speaker 2>who the heckry mouth?

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<v Speaker 5>Gross?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, disgusting?

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<v Speaker 2>So next day we actually probably have good amount to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about here. This is the singing and dancing group

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<v Speaker 2>date where they have to beasically be a girl band.

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<v Speaker 5>It was led by Robin Anton and.

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<v Speaker 2>She created the Pussycat dolls, so you know it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be sexy and I would I was just thinking how

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<v Speaker 2>I would fail this date because I can't sexy dance.

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<v Speaker 4>I was thinking about my wife and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>just just would hate this so much, like she.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't Nat turned Jess and I on a date like this,

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<v Speaker 2>like overtly sexual, no.

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<v Speaker 4>Like they couldn't, like she wouldn't do it, Like I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know what she would do, it would be hilarious.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel bad for them, But the girls do

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<v Speaker 2>a great job. The thing to talk about on this

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<v Speaker 2>date is Carolina and the fact that she gets she

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<v Speaker 2>gets picked as like, you know, the winner of the date,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she goes ahead and straddles him and makes

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<v Speaker 2>out with him in front of the other girls, like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've ever seen anyone do before. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like sex make out. It was like it was whoa,

0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:01.480
<v Speaker 2>it was whoa.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I've talked about it one of my philosophies.

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<v Speaker 4>I think another safety mechanism for being the lead girl

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<v Speaker 4>or guy is to try your best not to kiss

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<v Speaker 4>any contestant in front of other contestants.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it doesn't always work right, and it doesn't

0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:22.679
<v Speaker 4>always happen, especially when you're in the mansion. There's so

0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.320
<v Speaker 4>many viewing points that people can see you from if

0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:31.000
<v Speaker 4>they want. But to be blatantly in front of everybody

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<v Speaker 4>and do this, I do think causes some damage to

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<v Speaker 4>these relationships, and it makes everybody question where they actually

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<v Speaker 4>stand in these relationships and it heightens I think everybody's

0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:47.960
<v Speaker 4>thought process, and I need to do that at some point.

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<v Speaker 4>So then there's a world in which he's kissed every

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<v Speaker 4>girl in front of every other girl, and then things

0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.680
<v Speaker 4>get really weird because I think one of the benefits

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<v Speaker 4>and Caitlin Bristow I think did a great job at

0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:04.959
<v Speaker 4>this after a certain important time was you there's a

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<v Speaker 4>mystery to where the other relationships stand. Yeah, and everybody's mind.

0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:10.840
<v Speaker 4>So you're like, I really I think they like each

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<v Speaker 4>other a lot, but I don't really know because I've

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.960
<v Speaker 4>never really seen them together. But it feels like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>their eyes light up a little bit when they come

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<v Speaker 4>in the room. But maybe I'm reading too far into it.

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<v Speaker 4>I think if you get too physical with anybody in

0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 4>front of anybody else, it it eliminates that mystery in

0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:31.440
<v Speaker 4>that other person's mind, and I think that's a dangerous

0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:35.960
<v Speaker 4>path to go down, especially this early haun.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like he's kissed everyone thus far. He's even

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<v Speaker 5>eliminated people he's kissing.

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<v Speaker 4>Week two.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is nuts. That is nuts. It's actually worth discussing.

0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.679
<v Speaker 2>It might be it might be the first time that

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who has kissed night one is eliminated week two

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:56.800
<v Speaker 2>and that would be Alicia.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is shocking.

0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.760
<v Speaker 4>We're going to talk about alisiha a lot here as

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<v Speaker 4>this episode continues, because it is a shocker to us all.

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 4>But to end this kind of dancing date Carolyna obviously one.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think it was great. It was a fun date.

0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.480
<v Speaker 4>It had a lot of It was aesthetically fun like

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:17.720
<v Speaker 4>a bachelor date would be right there, all out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Doing their thing.

0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.399
<v Speaker 4>They're trying to get creative, They're putting themselves in a

0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:23.080
<v Speaker 4>little bit of an embarrassing moment, and they all step

0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:25.160
<v Speaker 4>up to the challenge. I didn't know if they all would,

0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:27.199
<v Speaker 4>but they all stepped up. And I think that's always

0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:32.040
<v Speaker 4>something to applaud as we break down each episode. Is

0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.720
<v Speaker 4>it takes a lot of courage for them to get

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.720
<v Speaker 4>up and do this. Even if you were uncomfortable doing it,

0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:38.440
<v Speaker 4>it doesn't matter.

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.440
<v Speaker 3>You just did it. And so kudos all the contestants

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.200
<v Speaker 3>for doing Bravo hard.

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:47.840
<v Speaker 2>And hey, he voluntarily sang as well. Maybe that was

0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the single that you put out or does he just

0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 2>want to be a rapper or like an R and

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:53.840
<v Speaker 2>B artist.

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<v Speaker 4>With his release on Spotify, I think we're seeing where

0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:01.480
<v Speaker 4>grants passions lie. You know, maybe if somebody asked him,

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:04.120
<v Speaker 4>what would you love if you had a dream, where

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 4>would the Bachelor go for you? And he would say maybe.

0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:11.679
<v Speaker 4>Music At this point is probably our best guess because

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 4>it is what he's focused on so much. And I

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 4>don't think it's going away. I think he's going to

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.400
<v Speaker 4>continue to play and sing and write and do those

0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:20.119
<v Speaker 4>things throughout the season, and that would be fun to

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 4>watch because he is an entertainer and he crushed it

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:30.240
<v Speaker 4>on stage during this date. But this day ends. No

0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 4>shocking moments for me. During the dancing part, like everybody

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:34.200
<v Speaker 4>did great.

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 5>I think right right, everybody did great.

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:39.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean Carolina obviously straddling him making out with him

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.880
<v Speaker 4>was the you know, the only takeaway that.

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Was my biggest takeaway, well, between Alicia getting eliminated and

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>the most memorable Okay, those are the two most memorable moments.

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Like I just can't believe the type of makeout that

0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:57.199
<v Speaker 2>was not only in front of all the girls, but

0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:02.280
<v Speaker 2>in front of the audience, and it was just so strange.

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 3>I would feel very uncomfortable.

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 5>I would feel very unomfortable watching that if I wasn't

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:09.879
<v Speaker 5>supposedly dating him either.

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:12.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'd be uncomfortable if I was I close my

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 4>eyes during people making out on TV, so like if

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.960
<v Speaker 4>I was an audience member, I'd be like, definitely feeling uncomfortable.

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:19.200
<v Speaker 5>So weird.

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So after party cocktail party, he he pulls Rebecca

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.679
<v Speaker 2>aside to see if that there was any like energy

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:29.120
<v Speaker 2>off because he was sensing that, and she was like, oh,

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:35.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, we all just feel feel like weird, you

0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 2>know when you're out with other people, Like yeah, okay,

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Well he I definitely think he pulled her aside because

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.720
<v Speaker 2>he this sounds bad. I think he wasn't that into her.

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:47.680
<v Speaker 2>That's why she doesn't get a rose. And he pulled

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 2>her aside because he was like, Oh, if I'm going

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 2>to talk about the vibe with someone, maybe i'll talk

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 2>to her to talk to the talk to a woman

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 2>who I'm not really into.

0:25:58.400 --> 0:25:59.440
<v Speaker 3>She's another shocker.

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, she was really high for you.

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 4>Well she was high for me, and she was a

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 4>big character during this whole episode. It's weird, I know,

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:10.400
<v Speaker 4>to have characters that have been focused on be eliminated

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 4>so quickly. It almost makes me feel like the show

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 4>didn't know or expect any some of these women to

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 4>be going home when they did.

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 3>She was a big character of this episode.

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.399
<v Speaker 4>She was highlighted almost a whole time during the writing

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 4>part of this date, and there wasn't any controversy with

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 4>her other than the fact that he did feel like

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:31.120
<v Speaker 4>her vibes, you know, were off.

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.160
<v Speaker 2>They even have like a character building scene with her

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>when she was talking about makeup with Dina. Yeah, so

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:39.600
<v Speaker 2>why would they even throw that in there.

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:46.240
<v Speaker 4>Either there's two options to this from my opinion. One,

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 4>they don't have enough content yet to really fill an

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.360
<v Speaker 4>episode and they have to find whatever they can get,

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.919
<v Speaker 4>which is never a good sign. Or they didn't expect

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 4>her to go home, but they had so much content

0:26:57.920 --> 0:26:59.440
<v Speaker 4>on her because they thought she was going to be

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 4>a front run that they had to show it.

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Letia gets the group date.

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 5>Rose.

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I think she's sticking around longer than we thought she would. Oh.

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.919
<v Speaker 4>I think that conversation they had between the two of them,

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 4>I think her ability to bring up something that hurt

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:29.360
<v Speaker 4>her and there was a misunderstanding and the two of them,

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, reconciling or coming to some type of understanding

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.160
<v Speaker 4>shows a.

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Big step in the relationship.

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 4>This early on, right, if this was your first date

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 4>with somebody or second date, let's say, second conversation and

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.640
<v Speaker 4>you brought up Hey, you said something and it kind

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 4>of hurt me last time we talked. But I'm still

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 4>into this enough to still be here, and I want

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 4>to under I want to hear you out and what

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 4>you meant by that. For him to own it and say,

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, I said something to do upid, didn't really

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 4>mean it. Jumped to some conclusions there, I think shows

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 4>that they they have some strength. I also just think

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 4>that he's obviously very into her, think she's beautiful, which

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 4>she is. But I think he very quickly when he

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 4>said you're so pretty, I bet you don't get said

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 4>said no to very often. I think that was a

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 4>sign that he is kind of infatuated with her, like

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 4>he's like, I want you around. So yes, she would

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 4>definitely be in my top three at this point.

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 5>Well, you're gonna have to fill in your top three

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 5>after the Alicia.

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 3>And I'm really messed over right now.

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, I guess it is. Oh, we'll talk

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 2>about Bailey before we talk about those eliminations. So Bailey,

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I really I wasn't feeling her last week because I

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 2>was like, this girl's embarrassing with her like Emily and

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Paris shtick where everything's on camera and she's like influencer girl. Well,

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 2>she was like really expressing how insecure she was, and

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 2>I felt her in this moment because she was like

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 2>just you could tell that she was like, oh wow,

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was going to rock this process, but

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 2>this is not as easy as I thought it was

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 2>going to be, and everything that comes out of my

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 2>mouth seems awkward. So I really appreciated her just being

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 2>like being open about that, and I'm glad that she

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 2>got through. And yeah, I want to see more from

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 2>her now because I think that I just thinks she

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 2>came across so surface level the first episode and now

0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh, okay, so this is me. Yeah, and

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not as confident as I was putting out there.

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.959
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean last I think last week, when we

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 4>broke this down, I made it pretty clear I thought

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 4>Bailey was going to cause some issues in the house.

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 4>I would backtrack on that statement now and say I

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.479
<v Speaker 4>think I might be wrong, and that there was a

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 4>huge jump in my mind for her this episode, saying yeah,

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 4>you know what, she had a weird first week. That's okay,

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 4>it happens. Everybody's nervous, everybody's awkward. They're trying to figure

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 4>out how they fit in this house. And I'm glad

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 4>she's around long enough so that we do get to

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 4>see it. I don't have the same opinion of Bailey

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 4>after two weeks that I did after last week.

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 5>We're on the same page, all right.

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Now for the eliminations, Alisha's gone, Ella is gone, and

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I Ella didn't really you know, we didn't really see

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 2>too much of her except for during this cocktail hour

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:36.959
<v Speaker 2>where she was all concerned that she was gonna leave,

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and then Rebecca. So Alisha's got to be one of

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 2>the weirdest eliminations we've ever seen because we thought that

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 2>she was possibly going to get the first impression Rose

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 2>last week she was the first serious conversation that he had,

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>the kiss during the first night, the first kiss, as

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>so far as we saw, it was the first kiss.

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>And this week we had no screen time from her

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>and she went home. I need know, like, actually, guys,

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 2>instead of showing us some of the one on one

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>situations that we had or even fun makeup moments, I

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>would have loved to see if his interaction with her

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 2>was awkward enough to send her home like that? How

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>did they go from having a great connection conversation that

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 2>first night to this, like, did something happen? Was there

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 2>the most awkward conversation that just stalled out?

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Here's my Ashley. I'm concerned.

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 5>I love it when he did things like that.

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm concerned because I thought we took huge strides with

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 4>Joey's season when it came to character development and storylines

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 4>and making sense of things, so that we were, you know,

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 4>we had a great season with a big following because

0:31:56.760 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 4>people were in the know right they could watch an

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 4>episode and kind of see and predict and understand why

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 4>things were happening the way they were happening.

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Season's previous to that.

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 4>You and I sat on this podcast and we continued

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 4>to say, I don't know how this happened? What did

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 4>we miss? Yeah, stories don't seem to be completed. Why

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 4>are we not getting better storytelling? Why are we so

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 4>lost each episode on how things are going to happen?

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 4>Joey season fixed that for us, and people watched and

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 4>they invested into it, and they celebrated it and it

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 4>made sense. I'm afraid we're going back to what we

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 4>had We thought we had gotten through. Yeh, where we're

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 4>going to be sitting here week after week going I

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 4>don't understand, Like the story isn't complete, Like how did

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 4>Rebecca and him all of a sudden have a conversation

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 4>and she was such a main character and now she's

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 4>just gone and we don't know why she's gone. We

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 4>have no explanation for why she's gone. Alicia, they make

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 4>out last week. We thought she was at the front

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 4>runner on this show, and we shouldn't be that far off.

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 4>We shouldn't be predicting, like, hey, our top three and

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 4>one of our top three goes home in week two

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 4>after week one.

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 3>That shouldn't be a thing. We watched this show for

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:20.479
<v Speaker 3>long enough. We've been on the show ourselves. We should

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 3>know enough to make accurate predictions for at least who

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 3>we think could be there at the end. And that

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 3>could change a week of a week.

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 5>I have a stupid suggestion.

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that any part of them was like, Oh,

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 2>this will really throw people off. It'll be shocking, and

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 2>shocking is good, kind of like back in the day

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.320
<v Speaker 2>when somebody was eliminated from American idol.

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 5>And nobody ever would assume that they would be. And

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 5>then like it got headlines the next day and everybody was.

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Like, could you believe that so and so is eliminated?

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>To do you think that in any way? They're like,

0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>let's eliminate that scene so that people can wonder more.

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I think this is I hope not. I actually don't

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 2>even think so. I'm just trying to come up with

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 2>a reason.

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 4>Maybe later on in the season, right but right now,

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 4>I don't think anybody's that invested into any of these

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 4>characters yet. Like, I don't think anybody is causing that

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 4>much controversy from their literal right.

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's gonna make a real headline likes even as we

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 2>we are Bachelor podcasters, of course we're going to be

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.320
<v Speaker 2>shocked as alicia elimination. But I don't think US Weekly

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:30.839
<v Speaker 2>is covering it tomorrow, you know, yeah, I.

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:33.320
<v Speaker 4>Mean maybe they're trying to create the note next grocery

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 4>Store Joe, where you know, somebody's eliminating, people freak out

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 4>and it gets like great headlines and then they go

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 4>on to do the thing. But it's we're not very yeah,

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:45.320
<v Speaker 4>we don't know that yet, Like it's impossible. That happened

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 4>almost organically because people freaked out there wasn't a show

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 4>cultivating that.

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they probably didn't even know that was gonna happen

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:53.359
<v Speaker 2>with Joe.

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 5>Joel Mobla is an anomaly, he.

0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 4>Is, but it's it is just confus me and I

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 4>would love to know even more from him, Like they

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 4>didn't do a lot of in the moments with him

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 4>or interviews with him, or maybe they would have asked him,

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 4>what do you think about Alicia, Like this is gonna

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 4>be a little bit shocking, what do you think about Rebecca?

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:18.760
<v Speaker 4>And he could explain, Hey, it just feels like we're off,

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 4>Like it feels like every time we sit down and

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 4>have a conversation, we're not on the same page.

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 3>Or I'm just not into it as much.

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 4>I was hoping or thought I would be after week one,

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 4>and then it would give us that kind of that

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 4>would bridge the gap between us just being completely confused

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 4>and being in the know, and they're not giving us

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 4>enough yet for us to understand why he's making the

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:40.880
<v Speaker 4>decisions he's making.

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Now, is it that important?

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<v Speaker 4>No, so early, but if this continues throughout this season

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<v Speaker 4>where we're just always confused and we feel like we

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<v Speaker 4>haven't really watched the season even though we have. Then

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<v Speaker 4>it becomes a problem because people just check out. Why

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<v Speaker 4>would they watch if they're not going to get any

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<v Speaker 4>like they're not invested into it.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, but that's how I felt leaving this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode made me think if I wasn't on the

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<v Speaker 2>show and I didn't have this podcast, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be watching this show anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you would stop this season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I would be watching these two episodes, especially

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, and been like, Eh, I think I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to skip this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I could see where you would think that, because one,

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<v Speaker 4>is there anything gripping leading us into next week? There's

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<v Speaker 4>not yet, And that's another. I mean it's something I want.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to be gripped to where I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 4>cannot wait to see what happens next week, and they

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<v Speaker 4>have the cliffhangers and they have the storylines to do that. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>we could pick out some women that we think he's into, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Alex would definitely be above everybody right now. However, we

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<v Speaker 4>don't really have much relationship build.

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<v Speaker 5>Up yet, which is fine, and we are in episode two.

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<v Speaker 3>We always say it takes like four weeks.

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<v Speaker 5>So maybe it's just us being like an episode two. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>but that's what I mean. You know how like with shows,

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of the times.

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<v Speaker 2>You have got to give it three your episodes. I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that applies to the Bachelor. But when the

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<v Speaker 2>episodes are two hours long, that's a lot of time,

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<v Speaker 2>not a cap again, that's like, honestly, that's like watching

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<v Speaker 2>an HBO show.

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<v Speaker 5>And giving it six episodes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying oh no, you just got to wait six episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I'm not gonna do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get I don't have that time in me. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We will be watching here, though, and we are excited

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<v Speaker 4>to see things progress forward. I'm not out on this

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<v Speaker 4>show yet this season. However, I am concerned that we

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<v Speaker 4>aren't going to get much from this season for many

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<v Speaker 4>weeks because so far we're off to a what I

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<v Speaker 4>would say of an odd start.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I would love to say that we had

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<v Speaker 5>we had so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Momentum last year, like Gary season did so well, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Joey season did so well, and then with Gens,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like like a lot of people fell off

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<v Speaker 2>again and I'm just like, oh, we're in, Like the

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<v Speaker 2>wheels are falling off territory again, which sucks.

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<v Speaker 5>Sucks because we were we had so much potential.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still holding out hope. I believe in the producers

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<v Speaker 4>of the show. I believe that they want a good story.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe they want to make a good show, and

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<v Speaker 4>so my hope is that that will start next week

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<v Speaker 4>and we'll be here breaking down the next episode of

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<v Speaker 4>the Arm of the Bachelor on the Almost Famous Podcast

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<v Speaker 4>until next time.

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<v Speaker 3>I've Been Ben, I've Been Ashley.

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<v Speaker 5>I Love you guys.

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