Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 2: Hey guys, we welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Today,
Speaker 2: Ben and I are here to recap episode two of
Speaker 2: Grant season.
Speaker 3: Hi, Ben, what's up.
Speaker 4: It's a big episode obviously every season. It's where we
Speaker 4: start to get to know the contestants involved and we
Speaker 4: start to see maybe some themes that will understand from
Speaker 4: the Bachelor or wherever the lead is throughout the season.
Speaker 4: I remember Joey's season, Episode two is where we're really
Speaker 4: started to go. This guy's got what it takes to
Speaker 4: be a really good lead. He was listening, he was responding,
Speaker 4: and the season kind of picked up from episode two.
Speaker 4: This episode, we were just talking, have a lot of
Speaker 4: high hopes for the season in front of us. There
Speaker 4: is some shocking moments that we're going to talk about.
Speaker 4: One of the most shocking moments I've had in recent
Speaker 4: history when it comes to eliminations. The other Mark and
Speaker 4: I don't know listeners argue with us on this. I
Speaker 4: don't want this to sound like a bashing of the show.
Speaker 4: We're obviously still into the show when we have a
Speaker 4: lot of high hopes for us this season, but one
Speaker 4: of the words I would use to describe this episode
Speaker 4: specifically was a little cringey. It was had a lot
Speaker 4: of like dead awkward moments for me.
Speaker 5: There was so many unimportant moments for me.
Speaker 2: You know, I always say, like the moments that make
Speaker 2: me want to grab my phone and start scrolling.
Speaker 5: I had a.
Speaker 2: Number of those where I was just listening and I
Speaker 2: was like, this is so inconsequential.
Speaker 4: It felt like, you know, we watched the Bachelor franchise
Speaker 4: because it is that upper level reality show where yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, you can fantasize, you can romanticize, you can
Speaker 4: get hooked into the storylines, and it feels like, in
Speaker 4: a lot of ways, it's not reality and it isn't right.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna go on helicopter rides, You're not going
Speaker 4: to go these fancy dates. You're not gonna have this
Speaker 4: person show up to a random place and play a
Speaker 4: private concert for you. A lot of this is all overblown.
Speaker 4: This episode, I think, almost to me felt like watching
Speaker 4: a home video.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, okay, wow, I was gonna say we TV,
Speaker 2: but you just beat it there with the home video.
Speaker 5: It felt really low budget.
Speaker 4: It did okay, so let's dive in and talk about
Speaker 4: this episode, the good, the bad's the uglies, and why
Speaker 4: we maybe felt like it missed the mark when it
Speaker 4: comes to the standard that's been placed for over twenty
Speaker 4: five seasons on The Bachelor.
Speaker 3: So start at the very beginning.
Speaker 4: The ladies are in the house, they're excited, and we've
Speaker 4: had enough Grant puns so far to fulfill those quota
Speaker 4: for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: And we're still continuing with the that's my husband, that's
Speaker 2: my husband talk. I still think it's way more this
Speaker 2: season than ever before.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Parisa gets through this week and Alicia didn't.
Speaker 5: I'm just discovering this reading out that group list.
Speaker 4: We're going to talk about that in a bit, Ashley.
Speaker 4: That's obviously one of the most shocking moments for us
Speaker 4: this season. This is a group date where they're going
Speaker 4: to play basketball. It makes sense. It's what Grant loves,
Speaker 4: it's what he did professionally. We knew this was coming.
Speaker 4: They weren't going to miss the opportunity to do a
Speaker 4: basketball date. They had the kids involved, which is always
Speaker 4: a good added touch. However, I felt the kids were
Speaker 4: underutilized when it comes to their comedic relief, their energy levels,
Speaker 4: the ways they could almost put pressure on these women
Speaker 4: a little bit because they ask good questions. I felt
Speaker 4: like the kids this episode or this date were underutilized,
Speaker 4: I agree, and almost made it not make sense on
Speaker 4: why they were there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that was a point that I didn't
Speaker 2: think about, but now that you mention it, I agree,
Speaker 2: because they were really cute when they were fair. The
Speaker 2: shining moment with them was definitely with Natalie. Was she
Speaker 2: sat with that girl and what did they even I
Speaker 2: don't remember what they talked about.
Speaker 3: That girl was like.
Speaker 4: Out of breath and now kind of like calm back down,
Speaker 4: which was very sweet. It was very much a show
Speaker 4: of comfort that she knows what she's doing, She's fine
Speaker 4: in those situations. This date really is marked by the
Speaker 4: fact that they played basketball. Nobody there as a contestant
Speaker 4: is extremely good at basketball, but they The whole point
Speaker 4: of this date I think leads up to the most
Speaker 4: climactic moment, which is where Zoe steals Grant away from
Speaker 4: really their only group activity during this date, which is
Speaker 4: a dunk contest, which could have been funny to watch.
Speaker 4: I could have seen where it made like decent television
Speaker 4: to see these women trying some fancy dunks and doing
Speaker 4: some funny stuff.
Speaker 5: How are they gonna dunk? Is that why it never happened?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, not on ten foot, But Zoe steals grant Away.
Speaker 3: So my first question to you, Ashley as we break
Speaker 3: this episode.
Speaker 4: Down, is Zoe in the wrong for stealing grant Away
Speaker 4: in this moment?
Speaker 2: Maybe did it when she did it when she was
Speaker 2: told to do it.
Speaker 5: I can't get around it.
Speaker 3: But she did.
Speaker 4: She did it, and so it doesn't matter if she
Speaker 4: was go erst or told hey, this is a good idea.
Speaker 3: She did it. She made the choice to do it,
Speaker 3: and so was it a good decision?
Speaker 5: No, No, it's never a good decision.
Speaker 2: It's it's a good decision sometimes if you actually is
Speaker 2: it really ever a good decision?
Speaker 5: Is it really ever?
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a good decision.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. I thought that she also
Speaker 5: seemed so. I don't know.
Speaker 2: When she took up to the roof, I didn't like
Speaker 2: the way she was talking to him. I can't really
Speaker 2: describe how she was talking to him, but like it
Speaker 2: was just like yeah, no, yeah no, And I was
Speaker 2: just like, God, this is why you stole him to
Speaker 2: have this kind of conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it always shows a little desperation when
Speaker 4: somebody does something like this. I don't know if it's
Speaker 4: a bad decision. In two or three weeks, when you're
Speaker 4: on a group date and you're like, Hey, we haven't
Speaker 4: had any one on one time. I want to make
Speaker 4: the effort to get someone on one time with you
Speaker 4: because it doesn't seem to be happening any other time,
Speaker 4: and so I am going to ask you to spend
Speaker 4: some time with me. This on the first group date,
Speaker 4: when the women are still trying to figure out what
Speaker 4: and the heck they're doing here and how these things
Speaker 4: even work. Yeah, it felt like there's only one way
Speaker 4: this could go, and it would be controversial with the
Speaker 4: women involved. Now, the controversy is going to happen. Issues
Speaker 4: are going to happen in the house. That's how the
Speaker 4: show's set up. But I think a philosophy for most
Speaker 4: people as they come on the show Kelsey on Joey's
Speaker 4: season would be a great example of this is, hey,
Speaker 4: try not to force controversy or try not to allow
Speaker 4: controversy to slip in. And this interruption feels like it
Speaker 4: would only go one way with everybody else in the house.
Speaker 4: And honestly, I don't know if Grant's far enough into
Speaker 4: it yet, but at some point he'll get there or
Speaker 4: he should have said no. The reason is it distracts
Speaker 4: him from the date. It makes everybody stand around for
Speaker 4: as long as they were away from each other. So
Speaker 4: it does make the women a little bit upset with
Speaker 4: him or just not having a good time. And the
Speaker 4: best thing he has on his side right now, Ashley,
Speaker 4: is that the women could at least have a good
Speaker 4: time during these dates. Like that's the one thing he
Speaker 4: has to his advantage is these dates are going to
Speaker 4: be set up for everybody to enjoy themselves, and if
Speaker 4: he loses that, he just has a bunch of bored, angry,
Speaker 4: confused people.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, the steal that I thought was interesting was later
Speaker 2: at the cocktail party, Ali Joe did she interrupt? I
Speaker 2: feel like she was the one that she was like
Speaker 2: totally done with Zoe and Kauz. Zoe interrupted Juliana, We
Speaker 2: like Juliana, but Ali Joe.
Speaker 5: Is like, hey, can I can I steal you?
Speaker 2: And then she was like he hesitated, and he was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to you. Like he's still
Speaker 2: into Zoe, doesn't care about any of these interruptions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he said, I want to give you the two minutes.
Speaker 2: You're right, I want to give your last two minutes
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 4: I think Grant's going to be a great bachelor. I
Speaker 4: think he's a very handsome. I think he's kind. I
Speaker 4: think he cares. I'd say, if we're at all picking
Speaker 4: apart his strategy or how he's looking at things right now,
Speaker 4: I would say his mistake is that he might be
Speaker 4: too easily swayed by some of these interruptions and that
Speaker 4: he should have said no to both of these. They're
Speaker 4: not helpful. Right, You've already had your time. What's going
Speaker 4: to be said in the next five minute conversation that
Speaker 4: you have that wouldn't be said already.
Speaker 3: When she stole you?
Speaker 4: And so he needs to, in a sense, manage this
Speaker 4: thing before it blows up on him, and that every
Speaker 4: woman in the house is mad at each other or
Speaker 4: they're mad at Zoe. If he likes her, one of
Speaker 4: the ways to show that he likes her is to
Speaker 4: protect her and say, hey, this isn't a good points like, hey,
Speaker 4: we're good, you're going to be here next week.
Speaker 3: We'll get another week together. It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I'm want to go move and talk to
Speaker 4: some of the other ladies. He also has some This
Speaker 4: is the wrong word, but I think it will make
Speaker 4: sense fighters in the house, meaning they aren't afraid to
Speaker 4: stand up for what they believe in and what they
Speaker 4: think is right. And I think we're already seeing that,
Speaker 4: which is a great quality to a human. It's not
Speaker 4: a bad quality. But what it does do when you
Speaker 4: have enough of those and they have a common enemy,
Speaker 4: it can get very chaotic. Yeah, in the house and
Speaker 4: on these dates.
Speaker 2: Yes, So we know that Zoe is a fighter. We
Speaker 2: know Ali Joe is a fighter. Anyone else who's like
Speaker 2: really sticking out to you. I'm even thinking that Chloe
Speaker 2: could be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think Chloe could be. I do
Speaker 4: think Juliana has a little bit of it in her.
Speaker 4: And I think we're gonna see, like some of the
Speaker 4: Baileys of the world stand up at some point. But
Speaker 4: I think so far what we're seeing is at least
Speaker 4: we've got a few on this date specifically. Now, honestly,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter which team won. One team blew out
Speaker 4: the other wasn't even a game, which I don't think
Speaker 4: really mattered when it came to this date at all.
Speaker 4: It it almost I wish it would have because it
Speaker 4: would have made this date a little more important, But honestly,
Speaker 4: it felt like the basketball date, for all they could
Speaker 4: have done with it, was just a filler in a
Speaker 4: lot of ways, Like that. Was there anything really that
Speaker 4: came from that date of importance other than Chloe getting
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of time with him?
Speaker 5: Not really.
Speaker 2: I could it would be nice if he did one
Speaker 2: on one with both the girls. Yeah, it could have
Speaker 2: also been like kind of intimates.
Speaker 4: So we're through the first part of the date and
Speaker 4: we move on to a really beautiful date with Alex.
Speaker 4: On one date, Alex did receive the first impression Rose,
Speaker 4: which Commit promised her the first one on one date
Speaker 4: of the season.
Speaker 3: I love that idea.
Speaker 4: I love that the first impression Rows also gets the
Speaker 4: first one on one. However, I do think it really
Speaker 4: catapults them to the top and far beyond for a
Speaker 4: few weeks everybody else. But I do like what the
Speaker 4: show did this season where add a little bit uh
Speaker 4: more to that first impression Rose, Alex and Grant have
Speaker 4: a tremendous first date.
Speaker 3: I think it was again odd for the show. They
Speaker 3: did it in like a mall.
Speaker 5: I was like, this is the Beverly summer, like I
Speaker 5: used to just go shop there. Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 5: the most average. Honestly, it's a really average mall these days.
Speaker 4: I mean, it looks like any other mall that like
Speaker 4: isn't really in business anymore. And they had it to themselves,
Speaker 4: which is cool. And I love the smell of them all.
Speaker 5: I love the smell of them all.
Speaker 3: The fountain in the middle that makes them all.
Speaker 4: Like chlorine, and then you know everybody's like germs everywhere
Speaker 4: and the prencil like malls a cool place. I wish
Speaker 4: the mall would make its resurgence, even though I don't
Speaker 4: know how it would, but to have it the day
Speaker 4: stable at the mall, it feels again like it missed
Speaker 4: the mark because it wasn't. I don't know what it
Speaker 4: was like. I don't know the point of going to
Speaker 4: the mall. And then they like had some stars open
Speaker 4: to them and they got to.
Speaker 3: Do that.
Speaker 4: But I don't even know if. I mean, these people
Speaker 4: are so young, did they even ever go to a
Speaker 4: mall growing up? I mean, Grant said he did, but
Speaker 4: did he really?
Speaker 5: Yeah he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, there is a there's a four year
Speaker 2: age gap with us.
Speaker 5: Isn't he thirty two?
Speaker 2: Oh he's thirty, so he's six years there. The malls
Speaker 2: were still around. I understand what they were doing. The
Speaker 2: purpose was to make them feel like kids again. It
Speaker 2: was silly though. It's like the big wow factors, like
Speaker 2: there's a big rose on the screen and she's supposed
Speaker 2: to be like, holy cow, oh there's a rose on
Speaker 2: the screen. And then they go around and do these
Speaker 2: silly bachelor things where it's like they bump each other
Speaker 2: with these moving stuff animal horses, and they jump on
Speaker 2: a bed as if like in life, we ever effing
Speaker 2: jump on a bed.
Speaker 3: I've never jumped on a bed in my life. And
Speaker 3: they broke that bed.
Speaker 4: So the show really backfired on if they're doing low
Speaker 4: budget date, they're like, no, now I have to buy
Speaker 4: a bed. I can see how this played out, though,
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, this is what the show chose to do.
Speaker 4: These are my least favorite dates, Ashulely when I was
Speaker 4: a bachelor, because there was so many activities that the
Speaker 4: show wanted you to do. You can't like get in
Speaker 4: a rhythm and you're like bouncing around from the thing.
Speaker 4: Now the show's like how fun would it be if
Speaker 4: you got on those things and hit each other? And
Speaker 4: you're like, wasn't really thinking about that, but yeah, let's
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: That's just like it's stupid giggles to me, like I
Speaker 2: think i'd be doing this. I'm just feeling like really dumb,
Speaker 2: like I would never do this with somebody, and like
Speaker 2: this isn't that much fun. I can't pretend like it's fun.
Speaker 4: It's too planned, is what I would say. Is it's
Speaker 4: too formulaic to make it fun. There's too many things
Speaker 4: that we're asked. If they just said, hey, let's go
Speaker 4: to the mall, we're going to open up a few stores,
Speaker 4: you guys like have your pick and have a little
Speaker 4: fun with them, great, But they had all this set
Speaker 4: up and so it was like almost like they were
Speaker 4: moving station to station to station instead of just like
Speaker 4: kind of letting loose. So as a result, I don't
Speaker 4: know how much of their personality we actually got to see,
Speaker 4: because I think it was also planned and it felt
Speaker 4: planned to me. I do, though, think they're date together.
Speaker 4: They have the chemistry, they have the comfort it feels
Speaker 4: like the two of them are very attracted to each other,
Speaker 4: and so I am leaving this date going a great
Speaker 4: first date again it so let usfies our idea that
Speaker 4: Alex is going to probably be here a while.
Speaker 2: Great first date. You forgot to mention the most important
Speaker 2: part to the date to me, and that was when
Speaker 2: he played the piano for her. That could have been
Speaker 2: the only stop.
Speaker 3: It was good, It was really good.
Speaker 2: I had so much respect for him ad liping that song,
Speaker 2: coming up with that from the top of his head
Speaker 2: like there is a hook there. It was a romantic
Speaker 2: That was a That was a good bachelor moment.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Grant for coming out with his first
Speaker 4: single on Spotify last week.
Speaker 5: I would download it like, there's that dune, dune dune?
Speaker 2: How do you come up with that on the spot
Speaker 2: That's just a lot about somebody's No, he did actually.
Speaker 4: Come out with the song on Spotify last week. Oh really,
Speaker 4: not that song, but a different song. Oh yeah, party
Speaker 4: girl or something.
Speaker 3: Really need to hear this, No, you gotta look it up.
Speaker 3: It's not the song you heard it girl.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it make sense if it was this song? Because
Speaker 2: I would actually want to listen to this song again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it did. He did. I mean he's great.
Speaker 4: He's he's very swoony in these moments, and you can
Speaker 4: see why people or why the girls are like, hey,
Speaker 4: I like this guy.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 4: I go back to thinking, I think he's going to
Speaker 4: be a great lead if he doesn't get in trouble
Speaker 4: in the house, meaning that this chaos becomes such a
Speaker 4: focus point that he can't actually invest in these relationships
Speaker 4: because he's going to have four or five dates and
Speaker 4: the women are going to go I got to tell
Speaker 4: you what's going on in the house. And that's always
Speaker 4: some annoying moment of the season, and I think it's
Speaker 4: going to happen a lot this season. I just expect it,
Speaker 4: and then it's going to take away from who he
Speaker 4: is and what the relationships could be. But I think
Speaker 4: you and I both agree, Ashley, we walk away from
Speaker 4: this one on one outside of everything else going, this
Speaker 4: is a they have a legitimate shot, right Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And they have a lot of commonality in their background
Speaker 2: with having issues with parents and feeling like they come from.
Speaker 5: Sort of a broken home. Yeah, especially with her.
Speaker 4: Definitely they talk about it, and I think there is
Speaker 4: a comfort, and I think she says it, there's a
Speaker 4: comfort knowing that like Grant can relate with me and
Speaker 4: that he understands the situation I'm in. I think that
Speaker 4: obviously is a huge point. And here's the interesting part, Ashley.
Speaker 4: Some seasons we see this being told second third one.
Speaker 4: I went in right later in the season like, hey,
Speaker 4: I just want to let you know Hometown's is going
Speaker 4: to be rough for me because here's my family dynamic.
Speaker 4: It's interesting to me that this was brought up right
Speaker 4: away and that they both could be shared, you know,
Speaker 4: similar experiences, and that that's already on the table, so
Speaker 4: both of them know when they talk about family, this
Speaker 4: is what the response is going to be, or maybe hey,
Speaker 4: I'd rather not talk about family. I do think it
Speaker 4: showed a level of comfort with the two of them
Speaker 4: that isn't always shown so early on.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I also think that it's nice that the two of
Speaker 2: them know that they want to raise families, knowing that
Speaker 2: they want to do the opposite of how they were raised.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, and that's such a I mean, here's maybe
Speaker 4: I'm just picky. I would love in those moments for
Speaker 4: either of them to be like can you tell me
Speaker 4: more about what you mean by that?
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe they did and we just didn't
Speaker 2: see it, because obviously they had a long time there.
Speaker 2: And I actually think that they may have been there
Speaker 2: until the sun rose, because I feel like I was
Speaker 2: seeing glimmers of sunlight in there, and you know that
Speaker 2: they didn't start until it got dark, So that's a
Speaker 2: really late time to start a one on one.
Speaker 3: This sounds terrible. I think we how bad your breath
Speaker 3: would be by the time the date's over.
Speaker 2: I know, especially after're talking all that time than having champagne,
Speaker 2: who the heckry mouth?
Speaker 5: Gross?
Speaker 3: Okay, disgusting?
Speaker 2: So next day we actually probably have good amount to
Speaker 2: talk about here. This is the singing and dancing group
Speaker 2: date where they have to beasically be a girl band.
Speaker 5: It was led by Robin Anton and.
Speaker 2: She created the Pussycat dolls, so you know it's gonna
Speaker 2: be sexy and I would I was just thinking how
Speaker 2: I would fail this date because I can't sexy dance.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about my wife and I was like,
Speaker 4: just just would hate this so much, like she.
Speaker 2: Doesn't Nat turned Jess and I on a date like this,
Speaker 2: like overtly sexual, no.
Speaker 4: Like they couldn't, like she wouldn't do it, Like I
Speaker 4: don't know what she would do, it would be hilarious.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: So I feel bad for them, But the girls do
Speaker 2: a great job. The thing to talk about on this
Speaker 2: date is Carolina and the fact that she gets she
Speaker 2: gets picked as like, you know, the winner of the date,
Speaker 2: and then she goes ahead and straddles him and makes
Speaker 2: out with him in front of the other girls, like
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen anyone do before. It
Speaker 2: was like sex make out. It was like it was whoa,
Speaker 2: it was whoa.
Speaker 4: You know, I've talked about it one of my philosophies.
Speaker 4: I think another safety mechanism for being the lead girl
Speaker 4: or guy is to try your best not to kiss
Speaker 4: any contestant in front of other contestants.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't always work right, and it doesn't
Speaker 4: always happen, especially when you're in the mansion. There's so
Speaker 4: many viewing points that people can see you from if
Speaker 4: they want. But to be blatantly in front of everybody
Speaker 4: and do this, I do think causes some damage to
Speaker 4: these relationships, and it makes everybody question where they actually
Speaker 4: stand in these relationships and it heightens I think everybody's
Speaker 4: thought process, and I need to do that at some point.
Speaker 4: So then there's a world in which he's kissed every
Speaker 4: girl in front of every other girl, and then things
Speaker 4: get really weird because I think one of the benefits
Speaker 4: and Caitlin Bristow I think did a great job at
Speaker 4: this after a certain important time was you there's a
Speaker 4: mystery to where the other relationships stand. Yeah, and everybody's mind.
Speaker 4: So you're like, I really I think they like each
Speaker 4: other a lot, but I don't really know because I've
Speaker 4: never really seen them together. But it feels like, you know,
Speaker 4: their eyes light up a little bit when they come
Speaker 4: in the room. But maybe I'm reading too far into it.
Speaker 4: I think if you get too physical with anybody in
Speaker 4: front of anybody else, it it eliminates that mystery in
Speaker 4: that other person's mind, and I think that's a dangerous
Speaker 4: path to go down, especially this early haun.
Speaker 5: I feel like he's kissed everyone thus far. He's even
Speaker 5: eliminated people he's kissing.
Speaker 4: Week two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is nuts. That is nuts. It's actually worth discussing.
Speaker 2: It might be it might be the first time that
Speaker 2: anyone who has kissed night one is eliminated week two
Speaker 2: and that would be Alicia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is shocking.
Speaker 4: We're going to talk about alisiha a lot here as
Speaker 4: this episode continues, because it is a shocker to us all.
Speaker 4: But to end this kind of dancing date Carolyna obviously one.
Speaker 4: I do think it was great. It was a fun date.
Speaker 4: It had a lot of It was aesthetically fun like
Speaker 4: a bachelor date would be right there, all out there.
Speaker 3: Doing their thing.
Speaker 4: They're trying to get creative, They're putting themselves in a
Speaker 4: little bit of an embarrassing moment, and they all step
Speaker 4: up to the challenge. I didn't know if they all would,
Speaker 4: but they all stepped up. And I think that's always
Speaker 4: something to applaud as we break down each episode. Is
Speaker 4: it takes a lot of courage for them to get
Speaker 4: up and do this. Even if you were uncomfortable doing it,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: You just did it. And so kudos all the contestants
Speaker 3: for doing Bravo hard.
Speaker 2: And hey, he voluntarily sang as well. Maybe that was
Speaker 2: the single that you put out or does he just
Speaker 2: want to be a rapper or like an R and
Speaker 2: B artist.
Speaker 4: With his release on Spotify, I think we're seeing where
Speaker 4: grants passions lie. You know, maybe if somebody asked him,
Speaker 4: what would you love if you had a dream, where
Speaker 4: would the Bachelor go for you? And he would say maybe.
Speaker 4: Music At this point is probably our best guess because
Speaker 4: it is what he's focused on so much. And I
Speaker 4: don't think it's going away. I think he's going to
Speaker 4: continue to play and sing and write and do those
Speaker 4: things throughout the season, and that would be fun to
Speaker 4: watch because he is an entertainer and he crushed it
Speaker 4: on stage during this date. But this day ends. No
Speaker 4: shocking moments for me. During the dancing part, like everybody
Speaker 4: did great.
Speaker 5: I think right right, everybody did great.
Speaker 4: I mean Carolina obviously straddling him making out with him
Speaker 4: was the you know, the only takeaway that.
Speaker 2: Was my biggest takeaway, well, between Alicia getting eliminated and
Speaker 2: the most memorable Okay, those are the two most memorable moments.
Speaker 2: Like I just can't believe the type of makeout that
Speaker 2: was not only in front of all the girls, but
Speaker 2: in front of the audience, and it was just so strange.
Speaker 3: I would feel very uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: I would feel very unomfortable watching that if I wasn't
Speaker 5: supposedly dating him either.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be uncomfortable if I was I close my
Speaker 4: eyes during people making out on TV, so like if
Speaker 4: I was an audience member, I'd be like, definitely feeling uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: So weird.
Speaker 2: Okay, So after party cocktail party, he he pulls Rebecca
Speaker 2: aside to see if that there was any like energy
Speaker 2: off because he was sensing that, and she was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, we all just feel feel like weird, you
Speaker 2: know when you're out with other people, Like yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: Well he I definitely think he pulled her aside because
Speaker 2: he this sounds bad. I think he wasn't that into her.
Speaker 2: That's why she doesn't get a rose. And he pulled
Speaker 2: her aside because he was like, Oh, if I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk about the vibe with someone, maybe i'll talk
Speaker 2: to her to talk to the talk to a woman
Speaker 2: who I'm not really into.
Speaker 3: She's another shocker.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, she was really high for you.
Speaker 4: Well she was high for me, and she was a
Speaker 4: big character during this whole episode. It's weird, I know,
Speaker 4: to have characters that have been focused on be eliminated
Speaker 4: so quickly. It almost makes me feel like the show
Speaker 4: didn't know or expect any some of these women to
Speaker 4: be going home when they did.
Speaker 3: She was a big character of this episode.
Speaker 4: She was highlighted almost a whole time during the writing
Speaker 4: part of this date, and there wasn't any controversy with
Speaker 4: her other than the fact that he did feel like
Speaker 4: her vibes, you know, were off.
Speaker 2: They even have like a character building scene with her
Speaker 2: when she was talking about makeup with Dina. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: why would they even throw that in there.
Speaker 4: Either there's two options to this from my opinion. One,
Speaker 4: they don't have enough content yet to really fill an
Speaker 4: episode and they have to find whatever they can get,
Speaker 4: which is never a good sign. Or they didn't expect
Speaker 4: her to go home, but they had so much content
Speaker 4: on her because they thought she was going to be
Speaker 4: a front run that they had to show it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Letia gets the group date.
Speaker 5: Rose.
Speaker 2: I think she's sticking around longer than we thought she would. Oh.
Speaker 4: I think that conversation they had between the two of them,
Speaker 4: I think her ability to bring up something that hurt
Speaker 4: her and there was a misunderstanding and the two of them,
Speaker 4: you know, reconciling or coming to some type of understanding
Speaker 4: shows a.
Speaker 3: Big step in the relationship.
Speaker 4: This early on, right, if this was your first date
Speaker 4: with somebody or second date, let's say, second conversation and
Speaker 4: you brought up Hey, you said something and it kind
Speaker 4: of hurt me last time we talked. But I'm still
Speaker 4: into this enough to still be here, and I want
Speaker 4: to under I want to hear you out and what
Speaker 4: you meant by that. For him to own it and say,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I said something to do upid, didn't really
Speaker 4: mean it. Jumped to some conclusions there, I think shows
Speaker 4: that they they have some strength. I also just think
Speaker 4: that he's obviously very into her, think she's beautiful, which
Speaker 4: she is. But I think he very quickly when he
Speaker 4: said you're so pretty, I bet you don't get said
Speaker 4: said no to very often. I think that was a
Speaker 4: sign that he is kind of infatuated with her, like
Speaker 4: he's like, I want you around. So yes, she would
Speaker 4: definitely be in my top three at this point.
Speaker 5: Well, you're gonna have to fill in your top three
Speaker 5: after the Alicia.
Speaker 3: And I'm really messed over right now.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I guess it is. Oh, we'll talk
Speaker 2: about Bailey before we talk about those eliminations. So Bailey,
Speaker 2: I really I wasn't feeling her last week because I
Speaker 2: was like, this girl's embarrassing with her like Emily and
Speaker 2: Paris shtick where everything's on camera and she's like influencer girl. Well,
Speaker 2: she was like really expressing how insecure she was, and
Speaker 2: I felt her in this moment because she was like
Speaker 2: just you could tell that she was like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: I thought I was going to rock this process, but
Speaker 2: this is not as easy as I thought it was
Speaker 2: going to be, and everything that comes out of my
Speaker 2: mouth seems awkward. So I really appreciated her just being
Speaker 2: like being open about that, and I'm glad that she
Speaker 2: got through. And yeah, I want to see more from
Speaker 2: her now because I think that I just thinks she
Speaker 2: came across so surface level the first episode and now
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, okay, so this is me. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I'm not as confident as I was putting out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean last I think last week, when we
Speaker 4: broke this down, I made it pretty clear I thought
Speaker 4: Bailey was going to cause some issues in the house.
Speaker 4: I would backtrack on that statement now and say I
Speaker 4: think I might be wrong, and that there was a
Speaker 4: huge jump in my mind for her this episode, saying yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what, she had a weird first week. That's okay,
Speaker 4: it happens. Everybody's nervous, everybody's awkward. They're trying to figure
Speaker 4: out how they fit in this house. And I'm glad
Speaker 4: she's around long enough so that we do get to
Speaker 4: see it. I don't have the same opinion of Bailey
Speaker 4: after two weeks that I did after last week.
Speaker 5: We're on the same page, all right.
Speaker 2: Now for the eliminations, Alisha's gone, Ella is gone, and
Speaker 2: I Ella didn't really you know, we didn't really see
Speaker 2: too much of her except for during this cocktail hour
Speaker 2: where she was all concerned that she was gonna leave,
Speaker 2: and then Rebecca. So Alisha's got to be one of
Speaker 2: the weirdest eliminations we've ever seen because we thought that
Speaker 2: she was possibly going to get the first impression Rose
Speaker 2: last week she was the first serious conversation that he had,
Speaker 2: the kiss during the first night, the first kiss, as
Speaker 2: so far as we saw, it was the first kiss.
Speaker 2: And this week we had no screen time from her
Speaker 2: and she went home. I need know, like, actually, guys,
Speaker 2: instead of showing us some of the one on one
Speaker 2: situations that we had or even fun makeup moments, I
Speaker 2: would have loved to see if his interaction with her
Speaker 2: was awkward enough to send her home like that? How
Speaker 2: did they go from having a great connection conversation that
Speaker 2: first night to this, like, did something happen? Was there
Speaker 2: the most awkward conversation that just stalled out?
Speaker 3: Here's my Ashley. I'm concerned.
Speaker 5: I love it when he did things like that.
Speaker 4: I'm concerned because I thought we took huge strides with
Speaker 4: Joey's season when it came to character development and storylines
Speaker 4: and making sense of things, so that we were, you know,
Speaker 4: we had a great season with a big following because
Speaker 4: people were in the know right they could watch an
Speaker 4: episode and kind of see and predict and understand why
Speaker 4: things were happening the way they were happening.
Speaker 3: Season's previous to that.
Speaker 4: You and I sat on this podcast and we continued
Speaker 4: to say, I don't know how this happened? What did
Speaker 4: we miss? Yeah, stories don't seem to be completed. Why
Speaker 4: are we not getting better storytelling? Why are we so
Speaker 4: lost each episode on how things are going to happen?
Speaker 4: Joey season fixed that for us, and people watched and
Speaker 4: they invested into it, and they celebrated it and it
Speaker 4: made sense. I'm afraid we're going back to what we
Speaker 4: had We thought we had gotten through. Yeh, where we're
Speaker 4: going to be sitting here week after week going I
Speaker 4: don't understand, Like the story isn't complete, Like how did
Speaker 4: Rebecca and him all of a sudden have a conversation
Speaker 4: and she was such a main character and now she's
Speaker 4: just gone and we don't know why she's gone. We
Speaker 4: have no explanation for why she's gone. Alicia, they make
Speaker 4: out last week. We thought she was at the front
Speaker 4: runner on this show, and we shouldn't be that far off.
Speaker 4: We shouldn't be predicting, like, hey, our top three and
Speaker 4: one of our top three goes home in week two
Speaker 4: after week one.
Speaker 3: That shouldn't be a thing. We watched this show for
Speaker 3: long enough. We've been on the show ourselves. We should
Speaker 3: know enough to make accurate predictions for at least who
Speaker 3: we think could be there at the end. And that
Speaker 3: could change a week of a week.
Speaker 5: I have a stupid suggestion.
Speaker 2: Do you think that any part of them was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this will really throw people off. It'll be shocking, and
Speaker 2: shocking is good, kind of like back in the day
Speaker 2: when somebody was eliminated from American idol.
Speaker 5: And nobody ever would assume that they would be. And
Speaker 5: then like it got headlines the next day and everybody was.
Speaker 2: Like, could you believe that so and so is eliminated?
Speaker 2: To do you think that in any way? They're like,
Speaker 2: let's eliminate that scene so that people can wonder more.
Speaker 2: I think this is I hope not. I actually don't
Speaker 2: even think so. I'm just trying to come up with
Speaker 2: a reason.
Speaker 4: Maybe later on in the season, right but right now,
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's that invested into any of these
Speaker 4: characters yet. Like, I don't think anybody is causing that
Speaker 4: much controversy from their literal right.
Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna make a real headline likes even as we
Speaker 2: we are Bachelor podcasters, of course we're going to be
Speaker 2: shocked as alicia elimination. But I don't think US Weekly
Speaker 2: is covering it tomorrow, you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean maybe they're trying to create the note next grocery
Speaker 4: Store Joe, where you know, somebody's eliminating, people freak out
Speaker 4: and it gets like great headlines and then they go
Speaker 4: on to do the thing. But it's we're not very yeah,
Speaker 4: we don't know that yet, Like it's impossible. That happened
Speaker 4: almost organically because people freaked out there wasn't a show
Speaker 4: cultivating that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably didn't even know that was gonna happen
Speaker 2: with Joe.
Speaker 5: Joel Mobla is an anomaly, he.
Speaker 4: Is, but it's it is just confus me and I
Speaker 4: would love to know even more from him, Like they
Speaker 4: didn't do a lot of in the moments with him
Speaker 4: or interviews with him, or maybe they would have asked him,
Speaker 4: what do you think about Alicia, Like this is gonna
Speaker 4: be a little bit shocking, what do you think about Rebecca?
Speaker 4: And he could explain, Hey, it just feels like we're off,
Speaker 4: Like it feels like every time we sit down and
Speaker 4: have a conversation, we're not on the same page.
Speaker 3: Or I'm just not into it as much.
Speaker 4: I was hoping or thought I would be after week one,
Speaker 4: and then it would give us that kind of that
Speaker 4: would bridge the gap between us just being completely confused
Speaker 4: and being in the know, and they're not giving us
Speaker 4: enough yet for us to understand why he's making the
Speaker 4: decisions he's making.
Speaker 3: Now, is it that important?
Speaker 4: No, so early, but if this continues throughout this season
Speaker 4: where we're just always confused and we feel like we
Speaker 4: haven't really watched the season even though we have. Then
Speaker 4: it becomes a problem because people just check out. Why
Speaker 4: would they watch if they're not going to get any
Speaker 4: like they're not invested into it.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but that's how I felt leaving this episode.
Speaker 2: This episode made me think if I wasn't on the
Speaker 2: show and I didn't have this podcast, I want to
Speaker 2: be watching this show anymore.
Speaker 3: Like you would stop this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I would be watching these two episodes, especially
Speaker 2: this episode, and been like, Eh, I think I'm going
Speaker 2: to skip this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I could see where you would think that, because one,
Speaker 4: is there anything gripping leading us into next week? There's
Speaker 4: not yet, And that's another. I mean it's something I want.
Speaker 4: I want to be gripped to where I'm like, I
Speaker 4: cannot wait to see what happens next week, and they
Speaker 4: have the cliffhangers and they have the storylines to do that. Also,
Speaker 4: we could pick out some women that we think he's into, right,
Speaker 4: Alex would definitely be above everybody right now. However, we
Speaker 4: don't really have much relationship build.
Speaker 5: Up yet, which is fine, and we are in episode two.
Speaker 3: We always say it takes like four weeks.
Speaker 5: So maybe it's just us being like an episode two. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but that's what I mean. You know how like with shows,
Speaker 5: a lot of the times.
Speaker 2: You have got to give it three your episodes. I
Speaker 2: do think that applies to the Bachelor. But when the
Speaker 2: episodes are two hours long, that's a lot of time,
Speaker 2: not a cap again, that's like, honestly, that's like watching
Speaker 2: an HBO show.
Speaker 5: And giving it six episodes, yeah.
Speaker 2: Saying oh no, you just got to wait six episodes,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 3: I don't get I don't have that time in me. Yeah.
Speaker 4: We will be watching here, though, and we are excited
Speaker 4: to see things progress forward. I'm not out on this
Speaker 4: show yet this season. However, I am concerned that we
Speaker 4: aren't going to get much from this season for many
Speaker 4: weeks because so far we're off to a what I
Speaker 4: would say of an odd start.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would love to say that we had
Speaker 5: we had so much.
Speaker 2: Momentum last year, like Gary season did so well, and
Speaker 2: then Joey season did so well, and then with Gens,
Speaker 2: I feel like like a lot of people fell off
Speaker 2: again and I'm just like, oh, we're in, Like the
Speaker 2: wheels are falling off territory again, which sucks.
Speaker 5: Sucks because we were we had so much potential.
Speaker 4: I'm still holding out hope. I believe in the producers
Speaker 4: of the show. I believe that they want a good story.
Speaker 4: I believe they want to make a good show, and
Speaker 4: so my hope is that that will start next week
Speaker 4: and we'll be here breaking down the next episode of
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Speaker 4: until next time.
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