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Speaker 1: of days ago, said, Hey, George thorow Goods in town,

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Speaker 1: legendary rock blues musician. He's got the song bad to

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Speaker 1: the Bone, which you may know, which is right here. Hey, Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's to talk to you do a little interview. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, great. I was a big George throw

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Speaker 1: song bad at the Bone. He played fifty states and

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Speaker 1: fifty days he opened for the Rolling Stones. He had

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Speaker 1: like six seven big hits. But hang out, we do

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Speaker 1: that the most recognizable rock song from the seventies. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that, Eddie and I come in to talk

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Speaker 1: about that too. So very classic rock oriented show this week.

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Speaker 1: But we talked to Jake Brennan, host of disgrace Land,

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Speaker 1: artists from back in the day, and I even asked him, Hey,

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Speaker 1: who's way different than their stage persona, like, who did

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Speaker 1: the books? And watch on the Internet and go oh

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Speaker 1: they were like this, but they were the exact opposite.

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Speaker 1: He talks about that all that coming up. Glad you

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Speaker 1: guys are here. Here are the five releases that I'm

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Speaker 1: Sasha Sloan with Sam Hunt. This is a song called

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Speaker 1: when Was It Over? When was It Over? When was

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Speaker 1: It's still not over for me. I'm still holding it.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a pretty country is song for someone who's

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Speaker 1: put out a bunch of pop stuffs um at number five.

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Speaker 1: There You Go. At number four, Reba has a new

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Speaker 1: song called Somehow You Do. It is for a movie

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Speaker 1: called Four Good Days. It centers on a mother who

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Speaker 1: It opens apt Here's a clip of that song, Somehow

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Speaker 1: You Do So Hell. At number three this week, Justin

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Speaker 1: Moore has a new album called Straight Out of the Country.

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Speaker 1: Here's the song the title track called Straight out of

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Speaker 1: Here's a new song out called Rolling Rock, Rolling Stones.

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Speaker 1: I love the dance with women. I love it, says

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Speaker 1: the sus sip start me Up by Dream Bust talk

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Speaker 1: about you guys really good. He has another song called

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Speaker 1: good Dogs that came out a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: I encourage you guys to check that whole whole ep

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Speaker 1: new album out he has. And then number one, I

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Speaker 1: bring on special guests talk about this one. It's Eddie

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Speaker 1: who you hear from? Later? Eddie got the microphone, yo,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the number one song

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Speaker 1: and the Raging Idiots with John Party. I'll play it first.

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Speaker 1: I hear is can't say that in a country song. No,

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Speaker 1: That's when you know, like, all right, that's a real

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Speaker 1: with John Party. Can't say that in a country song.

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Speaker 1: People ask how do you get an artist on your song?

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Speaker 1: And I just said, hey, John, will you sing on

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Speaker 1: this song? And he's like, yeah, let me hear it?

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Speaker 1: But even when we were playing that live, you you

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Speaker 1: would even be like, hey, man, who would be a

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Speaker 1: that out stream it, Like what what you should do

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Speaker 1: Eric church is um third album, Heart and Soul Soul

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Speaker 1: That's all the music coming out. Let's see bad Bunnies

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Speaker 1: Do you know anything about him? I saw him with WrestleMania.

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Speaker 1: He's just so good, Like I I dig his music

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Speaker 1: all right, that's it. Enjoyed today's podcast. I know I did,

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Speaker 1: And that's all by everybody. Oh she got The bizin

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Speaker 1: Tape podcast like music. It's a new music podcast with

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Speaker 1: two guys, I'm calling and Joe. It's like the inside

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Speaker 1: biz Tape. It's a really good music podcast, The Biz Tape.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, enjoy the show. Alright, fifteen songs. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: go way back before we were both born in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. Let's go. But they say you can identify

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Speaker 1: last episode, we did this one remember that one? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What was it called again? Paranoid? Paranoid by Black say,

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Speaker 1: and guitar heroes where you know this from Cool ninety five? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but which is where Cool ninety five comes from? Yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So same song, just acoustic. Next up, can you name

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Speaker 1: this whole seventies thing is because George Thorogood should be

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Speaker 1: and we can listen to all of it Magic one

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Speaker 1: the time. Every time al Bundy did something that was cool,

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00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: this song came on, which meant you got paid al

421
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: al Bundy was married with children. Yeah. Actually the song

422
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: they used, I think was born to be bad. When

423
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: he did that motorcycle thing with different different Yes, they

424
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: did that song too, that happened, which made me feel

425
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: because Lee Marvin's on my personal guys, you know, so

426
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: that was pretty clever. One bourbon, one Scotch, one beer

427
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: was and I don't even drink, still don't drink, but

428
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: still jam of a song. I'll hear that on classic

429
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,239
Speaker 1: rock radio alright. One ginger Ale, one hot chocolate, one

430
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: glass of water. I mean Charlie Temple probably. Yeah. The

431
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: the thing is really um like a like when people

432
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: would get to me and say I drink alone, all

433
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: I said, no, I could have said I watched TV alone.

434
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: I read alone. Because of the time when you're in

435
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: in your life, you are alone. Of all the things

436
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: you do. You go to the bathroom alone, you go

437
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: to the store alone. So one bourbon, one Scotch, one beer,

438
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: we just meant one of something. The thing was the

439
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: guy got kicked out of his house. He couldn't pay

440
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: the rent, which really happened to us in Boston in

441
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: seventy four. So somebody bought the building and doubled up

442
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: the the price for staying there doubled it. We couldn't

443
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: afford it, so we're out. And that's that's when that

444
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: thing started doing mirrors. So Jeff and I are actually

445
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: living it with the house frint thing there. So that's

446
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: really the just just of the song when you you

447
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: talk about, which is a different song. I drink alone,

448
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: but when I do an impression of you, which you

449
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: probably want to hear, I blow my voice out almost.

450
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: I drink alone. Yeah, but nobody. But how do you

451
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: keep that? Is that just naturally in your voice or

452
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: you gotta push that a bit? Yeah? You do. But um,

453
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: when I when I was my voice changed earlier than

454
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: most guys do. Most kids, their boys change their voice

455
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: changes when they're like fourteen fifteen, he gets lower. Mine

456
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: changed when I was about in the fourth grade and

457
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: my voice dropped down. So that was, um, something that

458
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: was kind of natural to me. So when I heard

459
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: singers like halling Wolf, um, Tom waits and I said,

460
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: Tom just kinda he growls the lyrics, and I said,

461
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: hm hmm. You don't have to have a great voice.

462
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: What you have to have as a distinctive voice and

463
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: above all a good song that's number one. So yeah,

464
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: part of that was natural, and as part of it was,

465
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm a helling Wolf fan. I did a lot of

466
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: time studying his voice. So, um, you know, we'd go

467
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: to parties and people would take me along and say,

468
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: we don't like anybody here, let's clear the house. George

469
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: do Hackling Wolf. I was looking at how rigorous you

470
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: used to tour for a while, like you what you

471
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: were a hustler, and I was looking at over the years.

472
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: But if I'm gonna dial in on something that I

473
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: want people to note was when you did fifty States

474
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: and fifty days, but you also did d C. So

475
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: basically it was fifty one in fifty days, but that

476
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: Hawaii to Alaska track because that's what you did. If

477
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken here. You did a show in Hawaii,

478
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: you flew the next day and did Alaska. How know,

479
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: how was that a close call to just get there

480
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: to do that show much less be exhausted. Not really.

481
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: Our booking agents, Uh spent a lot of time on

482
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: an advance. It does something he didn't. Didn't do it

483
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: a weekended me. It took months and months of planning

484
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: that thing and setting it up just right. So um yeah,

485
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: we um. We wanted to do um it didn't work

486
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: out there. We wanted to do Delaware first, that's from

487
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: because the first state, and we wanted to Hawaii last

488
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: because it was the fiftieth state. But routing it didn't

489
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: work that way, and said, that's a nice idea, George

490
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: would forget it when you think about people from Delaware

491
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: because the Destroyers were originally the Delaware Destroyers, if I'm

492
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: not mistaken, No, they weren't. They weren't the Delaware Destroyer. Know.

493
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: What happened was we were the Destroyers and we uh

494
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: we played at a wedding reception and a friend of

495
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: mine who I went to high school with was there

496
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: and he was very excited about our band. And every

497
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: time we we we took a break and people were,

498
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, going to get a champagne or he kept

499
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: going to the might and going the Delaware Destroyers will

500
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: be right back soon, Delawa. And so he kind of

501
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: said that, and I just kind of stuck, you know,

502
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I was one time we did

503
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: after that, we were doing a gig in uh out

504
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: in Boston in the park and and somebody said, what,

505
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: who Who's playing that? He said, I don't know, some

506
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: band called George Washington and the Delaware River. How about

507
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: of Trouble my name? I said, look, zz Top, that's

508
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: a great name, you know, sting, great name, you know,

509
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: just simplify this thing. I mean, Adam And I've been

510
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: going around about that for years, you know. I said,

511
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: this is too much stuff, you know, too much stuff

512
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: to say, but it gets your attention anyway when you're

513
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: doing that tour hitting and it could be any year.

514
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: Actually it doesn't have to be the fifty and fifty.

515
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: But do you ever just forget where you are? You go,

516
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: all right, Minnesota, what's happening? It's like, hey, George, we're

517
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: actually in Kansas. Happened to me once and once there's

518
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: one time too many, and I went up to the

519
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: mike and said, it's great to be here in in Greenville,

520
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and you're in Greensboro, South Carolinas. I get

521
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: all those green the Columbus is, the Columbias, and the

522
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: Greensboro's and a Green. I get them all mixed up.

523
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: And I after I said that, I was like, that's great.

524
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a long night. And that's the only

525
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: time you ever did that. Yeah, I never did it again.

526
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good record years plan shows one time, right.

527
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: I learned my lesson so plan in clubs early on.

528
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: I got to assume that the sound just isn't great,

529
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: isn't just a bunch of microphones packed up to a speaker.

530
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: We worked at making our sound great. Bones. We worked

531
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: real hard at that. We'd go. We were one of

532
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: the few bands that would go early. We could travel

533
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: with our own p A and uh they were there

534
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: were it was good. It was a short p A

535
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: system and it was a good one. And we had

536
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: the cabins were about this big, and we located them

537
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: strategically in the club, like one of them at the

538
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: end of the bar and one sitting here, and one

539
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: sitting over here, and we turned each of them to

540
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: a certain volume, like the one up here would be

541
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: a little louder and something. And we miked my amp

542
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: at a small amp. So we worked very hard at that.

543
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: Only one place we played did did have a p

544
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: A system, and it was kind of hard to mess

545
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: up our sounds. Three guys, one vocal if you call

546
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: it that, okay, so um no, it wasn't uh, you know,

547
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: all all clubs or not, but our sound. Then we

548
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: were just a small trio, so we were ideal for

549
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: those small places, so it fit right in. But we

550
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: were very hard at that to make sure. I mean,

551
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't have a record. We weren't doing

552
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: top forty, you know. I you know, I I don't.

553
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't look like Lauren Batty. I mean, we gotta

554
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: be great or you know, you gotta or to leave,

555
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: you know. So we worked at every every angle we

556
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: could to get the gig and hold onto the gig.

557
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: When did you start noticing more people coming to shows?

558
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: And why? Were You're just like wow, like we're kind

559
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: of catching on here. This is crazy to go to

560
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: a place in America I've never been and see people

561
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: come and be fans like what had happened in your career?

562
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: Where that was it? A little bit radio play? Was it? Well?

563
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: That helped? I mean that's what you need. You need

564
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: to get on the radio. I mean you either in

565
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: FM radio in that time it was there were it

566
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: was called album oriented radio. It was an album they played.

567
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: But we had a tune that I really was hammering

568
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: my head against the wall with our record label at

569
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: the time and saying that you know, there are records

570
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: sat there for a long time, sitting on the shelf,

571
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: like something like eighteen months, and man, you did not

572
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: want to know me in those days. And I was saying,

573
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: you've got to get this record at you gotta bourbon,

574
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: Scotch and beer is a hit. I said, what am

575
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: I gonna do with the Almond Brothers cut it? What

576
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: am I gonna do with Jay Giles cuts it? We're

577
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: not gonna do it. Tom Waits cuts it. I know

578
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: it's I see people. I used to play it solo

579
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: without a band, and people jumped for it, and they

580
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: said something funny. I said, well, what about somebody else records?

581
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: They said, we'll just record another song? What songs like that? Tonight?

582
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: And still on the radio today. So you know, you know,

583
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: I said, well, it's not me. Those songs made me famous.

584
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: I didn't make the songs famous. You see what I'm saying.

585
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I look at people and you'll go you

586
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: go up to them and say hi, I'm George, and

587
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: I go yeah, and I go Badu of the Bone.

588
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: They go, oh yeah. See so most people are like that.

589
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: But to be fair, you wrote back to the Bone.

590
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: To be fair. You're a sweetheart. To be fair, Okay,

591
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: I mean so, I mean you are that That's different

592
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: than a song that if you you covered it wonderfully.

593
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: That's different to an extent. Yeah, it's very uh, very

594
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: close to I I when we first put that thing together, um,

595
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: we wanted to give it to Muddy Waters and Muddy

596
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: Waters Management. It was not keen on that idea at all.

597
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: Then I had an idea to give it to Bau

598
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: Diddley and he had didn't have a record label at

599
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: the time, and we were nobody knew about the song.

600
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: This is all in my mind to do this before

601
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: when we got the song done and we were down

602
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. Um, we're on a show that was

603
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: stop number forty four on the tour. Are you just

604
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: saying that number? Do you really remember that? I do

605
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: remember Henry Aaron's number four, of course us. And the

606
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: night before we played in a place in Arkansas that

607
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: seated a hundred and twenty five people. The next night

608
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: we played in place seated eighty thousand people. You're going

609
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: one of the other, the juxtaposition as wild to play

610
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: for a hundred and eighty thousand exactly, And then we

611
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: had to then we had to go on after the

612
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: Neville Brothers in New Orleans and go on before the

613
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones. And I had about a hundred and three

614
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: degree temperature. But getting back to Bed of the Bone,

615
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: I was not on top of my game. And as

616
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm getting a golf cart going up to the stage,

617
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: and a man comes up to me and he says, George,

618
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: I hear you're writing songs. And I went, who have

619
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: you been talking to? HS? Never mind? And I go, well,

620
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm doing that, and he said, well, the mean we're

621
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: gonna be like Bone. You're gonna do all right? And

622
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: I said do you mean Bad of the Bone? And

623
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: he goes yeah, And I go, how do you know

624
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: about that? And he goes, it's my job to know

625
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: about it. Hi, I'm David Geffen. Oh come on, no,

626
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm not come on. Yeah. We had only done it,

627
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: done it in like rehearsals and sound checks. We never

628
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: really got there yet, got it in a student you

629
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: but somehow he picked up on it. You know, I said, well,

630
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: I can't go wrong there. The rise of Bad to

631
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: the Bone as it was happening organically, did it feel

632
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: like a rocket ship or was it once it actually

633
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: was pressed and sent out happened fast or happened slow slow?

634
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: Didn't didn't really click right away. It was just it

635
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: was another song in the set. They wanted to hear Bourbon,

636
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: Scotch and beer, and that's what they wanted to hear,

637
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: and moving on over. But that one was in the

638
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: show and people are like, yeah, okay. But when rock

639
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: classic radio got ahold of it boom, that's when it

640
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: took off. It was. It was pretty shocking actually to

641
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: be part of that, because we were lucky to Bad

642
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: of the Bone got in there on the pretty much

643
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: the infancy of classic rock. And you know, the other

644
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: tunes that were selecting were things like Rocking Me Baby,

645
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: Steve Miller, Jumping Jack, Flash the Stone, stairway to Heaven.

646
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: So I was in company that I never dreamed I

647
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: would even be close to anything like this. I'll give

648
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: you an example. I was again. I was out doing something.

649
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: I think I went to the gym or something. I

650
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: came home and I turned on classic rock and they

651
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: were playing a song Bourbon's Gutch and Beer, and I said, okay,

652
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm listening, you know, listen, I said, I'm just gonna

653
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: keep it on just to hear what the DJ says,

654
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, sitting in my garage and they can't want

655
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: to go Well, that was a black a block of

656
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: thorough good Hendricks and Clapton. What. I ran into the

657
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: house and immediately started practicing my guitar. I said, are

658
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Wait a minute, toward you better start

659
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: taking your job a little more serious, because somebody else's

660
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: just talking with you and talking about how radio started

661
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: playing you. You. You feel like a big transfer in

662
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: your career was because of classic rock picking you up

663
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: and and in that audience hearing it. Am I hearing that? Right?

664
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: Was that again? Like? Did classic rock radio define how

665
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: people listen to new you more than anything else? Um?

666
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: It was? It was like a step by step a procedure.

667
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: We got into like I say, FM a morion, and

668
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: then we got in on the bottom of MTV, and

669
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: then just as rock Classic radio started, we got in

670
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: on that. So we were at the right place at

671
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: the right time, with the right song. And then if

672
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: things went from there to like the Native American Casinos

673
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: which we started working, which was opening up, then um

674
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: and we had the right material to fit into those things.

675
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: That that was. That wasn't planned because I didn't know

676
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: there was gonna be Rock Classic radio. I didn't know

677
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: it was gonna be MTV or Native American Casinos hiring us.

678
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: It just it just happened that way. So we were

679
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: lucky to have the material that that fit into uh

680
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: to their format anyway, and classic rock radio, nobody wants

681
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: to say, what where do they play on it? Oldies?

682
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: Nobody was here oldies. Classic rock sounds better than oldies.

683
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: You know, you go up and see you know, if

684
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: you go up to the thing and you see somebody like, uh, oh,

685
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't know Don Rickles, you don't say he's an oldies.

686
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: You know, he's a classic. He's a you know, a

687
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: classic performer. And I dug that, you know, called I

688
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: hope something. They don't call it old classic rockod let's

689
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: put them all together. Yeah, it's still the same music. Okay. See,

690
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: here's the thing I've learned about you today. We've only

691
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: been known each other a brief time. You don't give

692
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: yourself an up credit at anything. You're one of the greatest.

693
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: And first of all, you said the songs that you

694
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: found made to you. You said at the right place, right,

695
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: I haven't heard you one time? Go, Yeah, it's pretty cool.

696
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: I got pretty good. People love me? They do? Yeah,

697
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: not right, any of them females. You tell me, Well,

698
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: I I've been too busy to really check that kind

699
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: of thing out bones. You know, I'm like, uh, you know,

700
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm laying out sound, I'm doing stuff. Adam's got me working,

701
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: Hut's got me working. I don't really have time to

702
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: sit back. Oh they love me, you know. I like

703
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: after the show's over and you know, give me, give

704
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: me on the bus. I gotta go. How about the

705
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: How about the operation? Why why the grand ol Opry?

706
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: Why not? They said for me? They did. Yeah, see

707
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: that's what we do with this act. Only go we

708
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: were sent for then they could get me at at me.

709
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: When Thirdgod shows up, they go, this guy's too loud

710
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: and too obnoxious, And wait a minute, you sent for me,

711
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: you send for Thirdgod? You get his habits. What are

712
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: you gonna play at the opera Saturday? You know what?

713
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: What songs? Because again you have so many and are

714
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: you gonna like, how do you decide what you're gonna play?

715
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: What venue? Because you don't get thirty minutes the opera?

716
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: You know, you get a few songs. Do you know

717
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: what you're gonna play? And I was thinking about a

718
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: boy named Sue. You're cheating heart? Uh you know El Paso?

719
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you're gonna do Marty Robbins,

720
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash. We're gonna do with Johnny Cash? You are?

721
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: You have to? Yeah, you gotta do that. And no,

722
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: we'll do the Hack Williams thing, moving on Over and

723
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: a solo piece on it acoustic slide guitar. I would

724
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: venture to say that anyone fifty to thirty, and I'm

725
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: in that age group knows you more for Moving On

726
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: Over because you popularize it to a level that wasn't

727
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: then because they didn't have the they didn't have the

728
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: ability to get it all the places that it could

729
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: once you did, and you also did it so distinctly right,

730
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: I would say more people my age, no, move it

731
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: on over from you and have to be taught. It

732
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: was Hank senr. So I'm just saying, take credit for

733
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: it and act like you wrote it, and then everybody

734
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: believe it and be like, yeah, well whatever you know

735
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 1: were it keeps us working, you know, I mean our

736
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: I will tell you this and this, this is this

737
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: is how the Destroyers operate. Um. When we go into

738
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: and sit down and learn a song, or we go

739
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: into the studio or whatever, whether we write it or

740
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: whatever our m O as you call it or whatever,

741
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: we always listen listen to. Is this a song? Our

742
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: fans will like? Is this a song they'll go for.

743
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: It's like somebody having a restaurant and you have a

744
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: menu and you want to keep the customers coming, so

745
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: you keep some of the same things on it, and

746
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: you can put otherms on. And said, we don't really

747
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: to an extent. We record to our taste, but we

748
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: we um cord or pick material that we know. I mean,

749
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: we we knew I drink alone. We were playing it

750
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: not very good, and we went into a guest set

751
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: and in a club and say when we play we

752
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: played it. We're just learning the song and we weren't

753
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: even halfway through it. In the whole audience was singing

754
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: it already, so we knew we had tapped into something

755
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: that they wanted to hear. And that that's the way

756
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: we operate, you know. We can say, oh yeah, I

757
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: kind of like that song. It's it's not about whether

758
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: we like it, you know, it's gotta be you know,

759
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: the people buy the records if they like it. That's

760
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: that's what we shoot for, you know. And if I could,

761
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: you know, if I could write Bridge over Troubled Water,

762
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: I would have done it. But this is this is

763
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: the best I can do. Bones. Are you still a

764
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: Mets fan? Oh? Yeah, I'm a Cups fan and I

765
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: was kind of my whole life before they were good,

766
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: So I know what it's like to have just a

767
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: sucky team and you love them more the longer they suck,

768
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: and when they win, you don't have to jump up

769
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, look at me, because you just

770
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: feel that pride inside of you. And I know you've

771
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: been I met Were you sad when SHA Stadium went down? No?

772
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: This aggress you know, it's um. See, I know I

773
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: have some people that were Yankee fans and they're disappointed

774
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: every year because they go. The Yankees are expected to win,

775
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: the Mets are expected to lose. So if they finished five,

776
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: I've had a good year. Do you miss playing ball? No?

777
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: None as good as you were, as good as hey. Listen,

778
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: you played a high Listen. I played in high school,

779
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: played legion ball. I was okay. I wasn't as good

780
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: as you were. Who have you been talking to? I see,

781
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: I read, I look, I hear stories like I said.

782
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: It's my job to know. Oh, thank you? I uh,

783
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: I was I look good in a uniform. Let's put

784
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: it again, humble, humble, humble. As you're talking about baseball here,

785
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: not playing slide guitar. Yeah, it's a very hard game

786
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: to play. It's you know, are's many many aspects of

787
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: the game, running, throwing, stealing, making double plays, things like that. It's, um,

788
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: it's not easy. That's why softball was created, you know,

789
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: so cats like me can't cut it with baseball. We

790
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: play softball. It stopt all the credits. So old guys

791
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: like us get hurt again later and remember why we

792
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: didn't play baseball. Every time I play something, I get hurt. Now, yeah,

793
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: basketball in the bag, I gotta hurt calf. Well, that's

794
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: the way it's gotta her shoulder. Well, if you if

795
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: if you if you know Aaron rarely got hurt. He uh,

796
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: he had a long career and he never had any injuries.

797
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: And they said, Hank, you've done really well over twenty

798
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: three years and you're playing big league ball and you

799
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: know you've sidestepped injuries. And he said, if you know

800
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: how to play, you don't get injured. I guess I've

801
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: never known how to play that. How's the how's the

802
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: guitar playing going? Um? I was still getting hired. Yeah, yeah,

803
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: we're still you know, the the bat line is still hot.

804
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: You know, we're we're just talking about that coming in

805
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: today and we got some things going on. So obviously

806
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: some promoters somewhere in places in the world have not

807
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: forgotten about it. So a lot of these things are rescheduled,

808
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: you understand, because of Pan Pan Demi. There was we

809
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: rescheduled certain things and then at the last minute we

810
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: had to pull out again because the pandemic was not

811
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: solved yet. So we've been booked for the last beginning

812
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: to the last year and a half ago. We just

813
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: keep moving them up each year. So I want the better,

814
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: get the stick to this thing together because I'm not

815
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: getting any younger. Listen, there are only a few people

816
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: that I would pay money to go to a show too,

817
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: because I don't have to anymore, right I mostly I

818
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: can just call somebody and be like, hey, look, but

819
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: I will pay. If you were playing in town, I

820
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: would pay money and I would go. I mean that.

821
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: That's that's the respect that I have for you. Thank you.

822
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm the same way I if someone says, well, let's

823
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: go see somebody, I go. I gotta get in the car.

824
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: I gotta go drive all the way there, go to

825
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: the parking, go get to seas, go through this Hut's

826
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: gotta make all these arrangements and do these things to

827
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: go see it. I go, well, who are you gonna say?

828
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: I go McCartney, Tom Jones, the Stones, Neil Young Dylan,

829
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: and don't don't don't waste my time on any small

830
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: fry because it's expensive and it's tough to get to

831
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: these things. You know, and as you get older, it

832
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: gets it gets a little harder. Just to get out

833
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: of the bed. But if you say I'm getting get

834
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: out of the bed and tonight I'm going to see

835
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, that's a little different. Well, I'm gonna recommend

836
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: anybody listening if whenever you get back on the road,

837
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: whenever any of my friends get back on the road,

838
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: whenever you get back on the road, that if you're

839
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: in town, to go watch and take in a show

840
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: and take in some rock history, not just you, but

841
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: also the music that you bring with you from before you.

842
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: I think that's very important because obviously you had your

843
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: own songs, you wrote your own songs, but you paid

844
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: homage to the songs that got you here as well.

845
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: And I think that is so important for people to know.

846
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: And I will come and watch. I'm gonna end with

847
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: this question for you. When in your career you were

848
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: you playing, or you're on a show or something and

849
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: you look around and you go, I cannot believe I've

850
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: made it this far, Like I'm looking around me right now.

851
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe it's a TV show, famous people, Maybe

852
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: it's a crowd. When was that moment where you went,

853
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: holy crap, I can't believe this guy from Delaware, here

854
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: I am every night, come on, come on, you can

855
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: bet on that. It was like opening for the Stones. Well,

856
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: it was kind of like uh, you know, um, your birthday,

857
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: the first day off of school, summer vacation, Hanukkah, Christmas

858
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: all rolled into one. It didn't every but every night

859
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: like night. You weren't like ho hum, time do another show?

860
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: Excuse me? Like when you're opening for them a few times?

861
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: Are you ever like it's just another show? Not just

862
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: another show? Yeah? Yeah, like people in the World series saying,

863
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: oh it's just another game super Bowl, Yeah, another game.

864
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: Fair enough. Well, let me encourage you guys to check

865
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: out the opera on Saturday night because Georgi will be

866
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: playing um when he's touring. Go see him, and also

867
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: check out Live in Boston the complete concert. Like that's

868
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: where it is, you live, That's where it is. That's

869
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: what we do from my ears too, well my mouth

870
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: to God's Ears, that's where it is. Well, that's well,

871
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of where we made our mark, you know,

872
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: made our mark with things um and when we did

873
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: those things with the Stones, remember, um, you a very

874
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: limited time to play, and we didn't have bad to

875
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: the bone out yet and Bill Graham kept hiring Is

876
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, like a rookie who gets into

877
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: the lineup and does good. And Study hired him the

878
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: next day. And it wasn't so much that. I mean,

879
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: they're all Rolling Stones fans and Jay Giles fans. And

880
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 1: what Graham was trying to get me said, yeah, but George,

881
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: you grab the crowd's attention and you keep it. That's important,

882
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: more important right now than having a noticeable song. These

883
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: are eighty thousand people and uh and now he put

884
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: that into my head. You know, I said, so with

885
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: the right material, we could probably sustain this as long

886
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: as possible. And that's when we started looking into saying,

887
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: get a couple other tunes in there, George. You know, well,

888
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm glad you did. Thank you, Yes, there he is.

889
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. It's rare I get to

890
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: talk with the legend likewise. No not no, not like place.

891
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: George thorough good, everybody, all right, nice job, all right.

892
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: And with Jake Brennan from disgrace Land, which is one

893
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: of my favorite podcasts and is you know, just so

894
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: good every week. And that's tough, as you know, in

895
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: the podcast space when you're you're putting out a lot

896
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: of content you're hoping you hit most of the times.

897
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: But I guess disgrace line hits for me because I

898
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: love music and also love because I know a lot

899
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: of artists now and they're not always what they're cracked

900
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: up to be publicly. Some are better, to be honest,

901
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: There are those even in country music, like a Keith

902
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: Urban better than he could even be on a microphone,

903
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: or a Lionel Richie who work with an American idol

904
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: the Greatest Guy. However, and I won't mention them now

905
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: that I don't want to get sued. They're still alive.

906
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: There are some real turds out there too, And so

907
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: whenever you know, I was, I've listened to probably almost

908
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: every episode, but I went and I started looking at

909
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: kind of the genesis of why you created the show.

910
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: And I want to read you this and tell me

911
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: if it's still true, because you wrote rock stars are

912
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: more like feral, narcissistic animals and functioning members of society,

913
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: and that's what makes them so entertaining. Yeah, I still

914
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: believe that after doing all this you still feel yeah, yeah,

915
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. You know.

916
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like what makes rock stars,

917
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: like I said, so interesting and a lot of times,

918
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: as you know, musicians artists in general, but musicians they

919
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: come from these backgrounds that are incredibly challenging, and that

920
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: leads directly to the types of people they are, and

921
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: that leads to the type of music and art that

922
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: they create. So they go hand in hand. And I

923
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: think that for people like us who are sort of

924
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: uh involved in the entertainment industry to some respect, uh,

925
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: this stuff isn't surprising to us, but for people outside

926
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: of music, it's really shocking. I often say it takes

927
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: a really messed up person to make really messed up art,

928
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: which we like, But it takes the same kind of

929
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: person that's making that messed up art. Is the same

930
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: person's messed up also in like human activities exactly, and

931
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: that's what makes it so relatable, you know what I mean.

932
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: And there's degrees of being messed up, and there's you know,

933
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people. And I launched to the show

934
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be some sort of like

935
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: gut you a type of thing where I'm I'm like

936
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: coming after these artists and I'm not I'm just telling

937
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: these stories that are out there, and I don't want

938
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: it to get lost that I have a lot of

939
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: empathy for not only the victims, but for the artists

940
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: themselves in some cases, who are also victims. They're all

941
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: incredibly different and complex, and there's tremendous music at the

942
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: center of all this, and we can't lose sight of that.

943
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you some difficult, open ended questions because

944
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: you've done so much, and I'm just gonna throw some

945
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: things out you and if you don't have an answer immediately,

946
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: we can come back around to it. But you've done

947
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: all of these these artists, some I've never heard of,

948
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: but I have now learned a lot about some Obviously

949
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: I thought I knew a lot about until then. But

950
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: which one of everyone you've covered, did you go? There's

951
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: so much worse of a person than I would have

952
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: ever imagined after diving into it. Rick James. Rick James

953
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: and a real criminal minded dude even before he became

954
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 1: a musician. And you know, he was like running drugs

955
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: for the Colombian cartel. He was just he was just

956
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: a bad dude in a lot of ways. But you know,

957
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: at his core, he just wanted to make great music

958
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: and entertain people as well, so that those things go

959
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: hand in him. And it's a real dichotomy. And it's

960
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: very interesting to hear the episode on Julie Lewis, which

961
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 1: he's from near where I'm from, so I had heard

962
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: the stories. But I mean, he married his thirteen year

963
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: old cousin, Yeah, you would expect to not get worse

964
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: than that. But of course his otherwise a later wife,

965
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: she met a demise very early, and that nickname the

966
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: killer maybe may have run true in different ways. But

967
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: what holds on longest even after because again not a

968
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: good dude and was still you know, it was probably

969
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: really bruised by Elvis blowing up at the same when

970
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: he was in his mind and a lot of other

971
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: people's mind that guy. But then it is Elvis and

972
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: you know him, and he drove his car over into

973
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: Elvis's fit and it was a whole thing. But still

974
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: the cousin thing lasts longer in people's minds than that

975
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: the other antics that happened later on, which were worse.

976
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: It's such a shocking thing. And when it happened to him,

977
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 1: when when he married his cousin and the story broke.

978
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: He was neck and neck with Elvis. He was huge.

979
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: He was a huge star, much bigger than we knew

980
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: him as him as because we're younger and Elvis goes

981
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: often to the army, so that the lane is kind

982
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: of cleared for Jerry Lee Lewis to really break through

983
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: and kind of leave Elvis behind. But then that story

984
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: blows up and it doesn't happen. So I think it

985
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: was getting away with murder Jerry Lewis getting away with

986
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: the murder the title of that episode or something like

987
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: something that that effect. Do you think he for sure?

988
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: Do you think he got away with murder? I think, um,

989
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: there's enough evidence to I'm gonna be careful with my words.

990
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: I said, do you do you do you think there

991
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: is a reason for there to be a lot of suspicion.

992
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm not a journalist, I'm not an investigator at all,

993
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: but I think in the public record there's enough information

994
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: out there that people can very easily come to the

995
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: conclusion that, uh, like I said, the nickname the Killer

996
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: maybe a little more realistic than than just a fun nickname.

997
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: He came back and country music and had a rather

998
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: robust country career, after he was we'll call it canceled,

999
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, their version of canceled. After he was canceled

1000
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: for the cousin, he came out and country music and

1001
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: had a pretty good career. Yeah, and a lot of ways.

1002
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: I mean he not only it wasn't like a niche

1003
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: career either. I mean he he was a household name. Again,

1004
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: he was huge. I mean there was an NBC special

1005
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: devoted strictly for him that you know, but his comeback, um,

1006
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: so yeah, a massive household name also then Bobby. I mean,

1007
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, like there was no Internet, it was easier

1008
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: to kind of like leave things in the past. It

1009
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: was easier to get about things and move on. How

1010
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: many second acts did we see now? We still see

1011
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: them even with cancel culture, So it was, um, it

1012
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: was a lot easier I think for Jerry Lewis to

1013
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: bounce back and reinvent himself. Another episode that I really

1014
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: enjoyed was the Johnny Paycheck episode. Oh yeah, yeah, rough, dude, rough,

1015
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: very hardcore. I was thinking about this a couple of

1016
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: weeks ago. You know, So the name Johnny Paycheck comes

1017
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: up and a country music listener or a country music

1018
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: fan would be like, oh yeah, great, great singer, great songwriter,

1019
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, hardcore guy outlaw, you know what I mean.

1020
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: Anyone else the name would come up and you'd be like,

1021
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't a musician. You'd be like, that guy shot

1022
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: a dude in the head. That would be the claim

1023
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: to fame. But it's not. For some reason, you know.

1024
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: It's like when you're a musician, I guess shooting a

1025
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: guy in the head is not the craziest thing you

1026
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: can do. Would be known for his story, it's you know,

1027
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: a bar in Ohio. Is that where that happened. Yeah,

1028
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: he was going home to see his mom for Christmas,

1029
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: and he stopped off at a bar um and he

1030
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: was going to Hawaii, Ohio. I think it was in

1031
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: Ohio where he stopped off. And he goes into the

1032
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: bar and he's and he's drinking alone, and these two

1033
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: locals recognize him as being a local guy and they

1034
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: start they start to mess with him. They get it,

1035
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: they get like they basically like making fun of him,

1036
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: you know, for being the celebrity that he is, you know,

1037
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: big time and Boston we call it you think you

1038
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: better than us, like that type of thing, you know,

1039
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: And uh, he just got ticked off. He pulled his

1040
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: gun and one of the guy ran. One of the

1041
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: guy ran away, and he shot him before he get

1042
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: out the door, and the bullet grazed his head and

1043
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: the guy lived. But you know, it's pretty bad and

1044
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: Johnny ended up going to jail for it. You know.

1045
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: One of the sad parts, that really sad parts of

1046
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: that episode was at the end he kind of when

1047
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: he died broken pretty much alone. Yeah, yeah, which is

1048
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: is sad man. You know, a lot of times we

1049
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: envy these artists we think they had, these musicians especially,

1050
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: we think they have these very full, fulfilling lives. Um.

1051
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: But you know, fame and celebrity can be it can

1052
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: be super lonely. And I think for some of these

1053
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: guys who live way off the rails and way outside

1054
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: the guard rails of society. You know, there was no

1055
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: one there for Johnny at the end when he died,

1056
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: despite the pretty amazing massive funeral and party that they

1057
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: threw for him. Your background, if i'm if, I'm still

1058
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: you were in a band, are still in a band? Not? No,

1059
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: no longer in a band. I'll never be in a

1060
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: band again. So so, but you you have a music background, right, Yeah, yeah,

1061
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: I was. I've been in bands my whole life. I

1062
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: came up in the punk and hardcore scene in New England.

1063
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: UM played in bands. UM made a very modest living

1064
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: around the margins, and then started the podcast and this

1065
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: kind of became my life about three years ago. Are

1066
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: you doing well now? Because I see you everywhere it

1067
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, the podcast has been great. We've we've

1068
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, we've we've grown this massive audience and it's

1069
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: led to a lot of opportunity. I was able to

1070
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: get a book deal and write a book and that's

1071
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: done very well. And now I'm producing podcasts with other

1072
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: producers as well as other ones that I host and

1073
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: executive produced. So it's kind of it's it's become this

1074
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: little career for me that I never expected to happen.

1075
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, ten years ago, I didn't know

1076
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: what a podcast was, and now here we are. Are

1077
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: you telling people listening that they can support themselves and

1078
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: pay bills if they get a successful podcast? I am

1079
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: definitely telling yeah, yeah it is. It's not some very

1080
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: grateful man. Very you've moved over to just Amazon now.

1081
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: This Graceland is available exclusively on UM on Amazon Music

1082
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: and it's free. You can get it over there. Um,

1083
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: but we have other shows we're just rolling. Snow Magazine

1084
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: announced our new franchise today. It's called bad Lands, which

1085
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: is basically disgrace Land for everything but music. So season

1086
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: one is called Hollywood Land, so it is what it

1087
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: sounds like. It's all actors and actresses. This season two

1088
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: is sports Land that will be available widely everywhere you

1089
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: can get podcasts for free. I host a number of

1090
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: other shows as well, The twenty seven Club, which is

1091
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: available on I Heard Radio app everywhere. Podcasts are available

1092
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: saying with Dead and Gone, a show I teamed up

1093
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: with Payne Lindsay from Up and Vanish to do. So

1094
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: we have a lot going on. Disgrace Land as exclusive

1095
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: Amazon Music is growing rapidly in the podcast space. There's

1096
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: you can basically hear all of your favorite podcasts over there.

1097
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: That twenty seven Club series, how do you think there

1098
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: was actually something to it or just a wild coincidence?

1099
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: That wild coincidence, you know, but you know made a

1100
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: cool lane for me to create a podcast series. Season

1101
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: three actually launches tomorrow on Janis Joplin of The twenty

1102
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: seven Club. The Janis Joplin and I haven't heard that one,

1103
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: but I do know a lot about Jannis Choplin and

1104
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: that did you know it until she did? Yeah, that's crazy,

1105
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: that's nuts. I mean, she was a thing people knew

1106
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: of her, but not as she wasn't a song on

1107
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: the turn the radio one, you know, somewhere in Florida

1108
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: and also in Connecticut like that was after she died. Yeah, yeah,

1109
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: the first album didn't do so great. A lot of

1110
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: people didn't like that band, they didn't like Big Brother

1111
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: in the Holding Company. It was until it wasn't until

1112
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: the band who was on that that later record that

1113
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: came out after she died, that people really started to

1114
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: give her the credit that she deserved. I'm a big

1115
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: nineties fan, obviously because I was born in the eighties,

1116
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: so the nineties is what I consumed in my growing years,

1117
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: and so you know some of the stuff in the nineties. Tupac,

1118
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, I know, there's a whole I listened to

1119
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: you talking about Tupac and Biggie. Any chance that Tupac

1120
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: lived past that shooting. No, I'm not even saying he's

1121
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: alive right now, but any chance he lived past the shooting, well,

1122
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: he lived for a couple of days before he died.

1123
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: But he no, no, no way, no way. I mean,

1124
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: I get why the why the ground has been softened

1125
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: for this conspiracy theory that he's still alive. I mean,

1126
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: he talked about his death. He certainly had reason enough

1127
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: to sort of fake his death. His life arguably could

1128
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: have been uh less complicated if he kind of like

1129
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: disappeared and one had a life somewhere else besides, you know,

1130
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: under the protection of Sugar Knight in the death row

1131
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: world that he was in. But no, there's there's no

1132
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: way he's living on an island and belieze or anything

1133
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: like that. I don't believe it. Him talking about his

1134
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: death is a bit like Andy Kaufman, where everyone wants

1135
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: to believe Andy Kaufman is still alive because he always

1136
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: said he'd full everybody by coming back, you know, ten

1137
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: thirty years after he died. You know that now that

1138
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: I would believe? Well, I well, but I don't. You

1139
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: don't believe any confidence alive, do you. I think any

1140
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: coffinment is Donald Trump. And I think this this whole,

1141
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: the whole last eight four years. I mean, wouldn't that

1142
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: be the greatest if he pulls off the wig, It's

1143
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: like got you would I believe anything in two thousand anything?

1144
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: If Biggie's music came out now, and I've said this

1145
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: for ten years, do you think it would still be

1146
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: new sounding? That's a really interesting question because nobody, nobody

1147
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: sounds like Biggie. Nobody sounds like Biggie. He did. He

1148
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: did that kind of like cool reverse peanut butter and

1149
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: chocolate thing where he took that that West Coast sound

1150
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: and put his East Coast thing on it. And I

1151
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, hip hop now just sounds so

1152
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 1: different that I have no idea what how it would

1153
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: be received right now? That's that's an interesting question. What

1154
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: about Juice World? Uh? What about you? Tell me about

1155
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, tell me about the guy I don't know,

1156
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know anything. I'm the wrong

1157
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: guy to ask I we need Are you going to

1158
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: cover a juice World? Because again, he just died. The

1159
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: the more modern artists are tricky for a bunch of reasons. Um,

1160
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: especially when people the story isn't entirely told yet. And

1161
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm not a journalist. I'm I'm going

1162
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: after stories that are out there in the public eye,

1163
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: that are that are um safe so to speak, that

1164
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: can be told. Um. And a lot of times you

1165
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: get away for these stories to completely be finished. I

1166
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: just did an episode on Little Wayne. It's not out yet,

1167
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: but it was written and I had to rewrite it

1168
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: twice because the guy is still active and he's still

1169
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: out there, and there's still things happening to him. Um.

1170
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: So you know, possibly on Juice Oro, but it won't

1171
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: be for a minute. Didn't you do an episode on

1172
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: what's the guy's named to nacion x x tenas x

1173
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: x tantassion xxx Tantassion. It's a tough one. You did

1174
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: an episode on him? I did, Yeah, but a year

1175
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: and a half after he died. Um, Yeah, that that

1176
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: story was. I mean there's a brutal guy. I mean,

1177
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: he was a violent guy. He did a lot of

1178
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: nasty things. Um. And but that murder was vicious. And

1179
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's a guy who was really young. And

1180
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: I think we see this a lot. You know, a

1181
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: lot of people can just they just cannot handle celebrity.

1182
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: They're not equipped to handle it. And whatever demons they

1183
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: have and whatever bad behavior they have inside him and whatever,

1184
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, lack of humanity. They have the spotlight brings

1185
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: it out, and uh, that's definitely what happened to that dude.

1186
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: If Kurt Cobain would not have died, do you think

1187
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: Nirvana would have had the cultural impact lasting cultural impact

1188
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: that it has, Yes, you do, I do, Yeah, for sure.

1189
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: I mean they had it at the time. They were huge.

1190
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: I mean, and they broke that door open, They broke

1191
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: the damn for every for all the whole grunge thing

1192
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: that came after Nirvana came first, and it wasn't one

1193
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: of those things where Nirvana was just like, you know,

1194
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: they had the right single and they had the right

1195
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: music industry apparatus behind them. I mean, Kurt Kobean obviously

1196
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: was a true artist. And I don't know that Kurt

1197
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: Cobain would have would have hung around in Nirvana for

1198
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: that much longer. I mean, I know they would have

1199
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: done another record. They were talking to Scott Litt, the producer,

1200
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: about doing something their next record. Um, but I don't

1201
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: know if he would have stayed in that band, or

1202
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: that band would have hung on, or if Dave Grohl

1203
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: frankly would have wanted to sort of sit behind a

1204
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: drum kid for the next ten years of his life.

1205
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: Have you ever met Dad girl, I'm not, okay, and

1206
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: I've been in the room, but never actually had a

1207
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: conversation with him. He does such a good job at

1208
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: talking about Nirvana, but I gotta think somewhere he's like,

1209
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: am I ever going to stop talking about Nirvana? Because

1210
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: he has created one of the biggest American rock groups

1211
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: of all time, yet he's still will always be second

1212
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: fiddle to the band he played drums in. Yeah, I know,

1213
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: it's bizarre, man, and I'm sure he's I'm sure there

1214
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: are Quanta. There's quantifiable evidence out there that the Food

1215
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: Fighters are actually more successful than Nirvana in different ways.

1216
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: So of like Jacob Dylan has like a better selling

1217
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: album than Bob Dylan does, so just shocking. But I

1218
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: think Dave Grohl figured out a long time ago how

1219
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: to play the game so that it's not really playing

1220
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: him and it's all this like magical defense mechanism that

1221
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: he has. But I'm sure he at the end of

1222
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: the day, he sits back and he's like, God, damn it,

1223
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: right he does. He handles it so gracefully. He answers

1224
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: the questions and then gets onto himself, and you know,

1225
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: everybody wants to ask him about it. The longer you're

1226
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: away from it, when you go Cobaine died, the longer

1227
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: went away from it. Like a cooler part of history.

1228
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: It is that the drummer is sitting next to you,

1229
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: even though again in the past thirty forty years on

1230
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: the Mount rushmore American rock groups food Fighters. Yeah, yeah,

1231
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: it's crazy and they're still still incredibly relevant today, which

1232
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: is not an easy thing to do. I was in

1233
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: a record store down in Florida last week and that

1234
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: they're big display was the food Fighter's new record Nice

1235
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: that just came out, and they're playing their headlining Bondaru. Right. Yeah,

1236
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: there are crazy If TMZ or a thing back in

1237
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: the fifties or sixties, right like, who wouldn't have lasted?

1238
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a really interesting question. The thing

1239
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: the thing we don't you know, when we look back,

1240
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: we always kind of measured against today's standards, and one

1241
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: of the things we forget is that the music industry

1242
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: and society were wildly different back then. It was so

1243
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: much looser, you know, the music industry was like I mean,

1244
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: you think about from the record executive's perspective, they're doing

1245
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: everything they can to try and wrangle these you know,

1246
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: narcissistic feral animals to keep creating music so that they

1247
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: can keep bringing in the cash, but so that I

1248
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: don't want to say they were encouraging this. In some

1249
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: cases they were, but there it was free reign and

1250
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: the industry is being built up at the same time,

1251
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: like there wasn't this existing apparatus like there is now.

1252
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: So I mean, there was so much going on. I

1253
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: think it was way more depraved than we can even

1254
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: begin to think. You know, the stories we hear, I

1255
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: think are the tip of the iceberg, and more than

1256
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Speaker 1: the fifties and sixties, seventies and eighties and when the

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01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: Van Halens and still the crazy just nuts. Even the

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01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: stories they share now in their books and their interviews

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Speaker 1: probably are just the tip of the iceberg and what

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01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: really happened, because they know if they shared at all,

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01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: they probably canceled now with even sharing their history exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard things from people that's you know,

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Speaker 1: not not corroborated at second hand, and it's it's so

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Speaker 1: far off the mark and and now I mean outside

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Speaker 1: the outside the bounds, so far outside the bounds of

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Speaker 1: of society and now and now that I'm I'm doing

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Speaker 1: this series Hollywood Land. We're looking at uh stories on

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Speaker 1: actors and actresses in some cases that go back to

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Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties. And the further back you go, the

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Speaker 1: bigger the stories become, the more crazy they become, because

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Speaker 1: time has has gone on and these stories are are

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Speaker 1: able to be more easily shared. And I think we'll

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01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: get that the further we get away from those pioneering

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Speaker 1: days of rock and roll as well. Of all the

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Speaker 1: country artists that you've researched, who did you feel was

1276
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: at least like what they portrayed on stage or publicly

1277
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: least like well, you know, it's this is a boring answer,

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01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: but it's it's a good one to me, and it's

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Speaker 1: an honest one. I think Johnny Cash, because he was

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01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: he went through so much during his career, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the in the fifties and sixties, before he settled

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01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: down with June Carter. He's just a He's a he's

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01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: a walking disaster. He's a time bomb. You know. He's

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01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: caught smuggling drugs across the border. He's caught for burning

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01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: down a protected far forest on government property. All these

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01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 1: things happened to the guy. Um, But at the same

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01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: time he goes on and he becomes this real champion

1288
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: for the underdog and this this empathetic spirit, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's kind of the opposite of the question

1290
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: you post. He was on stage, who he was off stage?

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01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: And all those country guys, I mean, Johnny Paycheck was

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01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: the same way. Uh, Graham Parsons the same same exact way,

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01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: but in a different way because he was, you know,

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: a little more soft. But yeah, the country guys kind

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: of live it a little more authentically. I think the

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01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: Chicks formerly known as the Dixie Chicks still, oddly in

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01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: my opinion, aren't forgiven by a lot of the public,

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01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: that is in the country music world, which is weird

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01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: because they're talking about the Judge Bush thing. Yes and

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01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: and yes, so there they haven't been forgiven for that.

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01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't want that. Two thousand Yeah, around that time,

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01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: and I was talking about this on the air because

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01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: the people that's screaming let's cancel, cancel culture are the

1304
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: ones still holding it against the Dixie Chicks for well

1305
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: they did. There wasn't a crime, wasn't morally wrong. They

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01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: just had an opinion at a time where that opinion

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01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: was a bit sensitive. What is your take on why

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01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: people can't get over that. I don't understand that at all.

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01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean maybe people just want to I just want

1310
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: something to complain about. I mean, people's opinions in real life,

1311
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: real people's opinions, especially on politics, change all the time.

1312
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: You know, people don't wear the same team colors their

1313
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: entire lives. And who knows if they even feel that

1314
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: way now. I'm sure they don't. I'm sure they've they've

1315
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: come up. I mean, I don't know if they defended themselves.

1316
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: I don't know much about the Dixie Chicks. But you know,

1317
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: I think as Americans and fellow humans, we could all

1318
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: deal with a little more empathy and humility and this

1319
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: this country be a much better place. I listened to

1320
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: your podcasts and you can tell you spent a lot

1321
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: of time writing it recording it. But what what goes

1322
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: into this? Like you sit down blank screen and go

1323
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna go no no, no, no no,

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01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: it's um it's I do a week of research at

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01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: a minimum, and then I write for I write an

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01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: episode in a week, and you know, now we've got

1327
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: I've got ten guys and ten people working for me

1328
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: at once where we're constantly the music is being worked on.

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01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: It's it's a real process. But my process is right

1330
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: for a week and you know, I I record it

1331
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: and then it goes uh, you know, I I quote

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01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: unquote score it. You know, I'm not a composer, but

1333
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: I indicate where and what kinds of music I wanted

1334
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: and where I want it to be. Goes off, the

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01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: musicians put it together and uh, it gets mixed, and

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01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: then it comes out and it's something that is you know,

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01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: it's a it's a big production cycle that is constantly

1338
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: in motion. But what's the production cycle you know, back

1339
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: when you started episode one versus now where there's I mean,

1340
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: you've got a real beast on your hands here that

1341
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: you've got to maintain when you started it by yourself

1342
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: and you're you know, I can't play the song right now,

1343
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hit it. I imagine you're doing most

1344
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: of that by yourself at the very beginning. Yeah, I

1345
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: did everything by myself in the beginning, and the first

1346
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: episode took six months to put together. Yeah, why six months? Um,

1347
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't have

1348
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: a process. There's a lot of trial and error. I

1349
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: had to figure it out, you know. I had to

1350
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: go through like three different versions of what I thought

1351
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: the music was going to be. UM. Ultimately, ultimately, everything

1352
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: I tried doing collaboratively with people, I ultimately ended up

1353
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: being like, this is working. I'm doing it myself. And

1354
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: that's the opposite of how I've done everything in my life.

1355
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: I've been. I've been a very collaborative creative person my

1356
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: whole life, from being in bands, even though I was

1357
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: the leader of those bands or the singer or songwriter. UM.

1358
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: But you know, when it came to this, I don't know.

1359
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: I think instinctively and deep down I was getting older

1360
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: and I knew this is probably like the last thing

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01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: I was going to try and do before I had

1362
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: to get like a quote unquote real job, and UM,

1363
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 1: relying on people didn't seem like a good option. So

1364
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: I just started to just break things off and do

1365
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 1: it all myself, all the research, all the writing, all

1366
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 1: the music, all the production. Uh. Pretty early on in

1367
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: that first year or later on in that first year,

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01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: I brought in a engineer who's still with me. This

1369
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: guy Sean ka Halan. He's worked on every single episode

1370
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: to kind of do some of the nitty gritty work, cleaning,

1371
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: vocal editing files, all that stuff that takes hours that

1372
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, if you're doing that, you're not researching and writing.

1373
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: And he was the first one I brought on, and

1374
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: it was just he and I for about a year.

1375
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: Then I Heart came into the picture. We uh we

1376
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: we started working with I Heart. I brought a couple

1377
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: more folks on to help with music, to help with mixing,

1378
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: and you know, now I've got a team of I

1379
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: think we're at We're almost will be at twelve people

1380
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: by the end of this year, of writers, producers, engineers

1381
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: and congratulations. Think. I mean, that's really cool to see

1382
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: you turn the beginning when I mean, I listened to

1383
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: episode of one Thank You, It's like, I can't play

1384
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: the song, so I'm gonna play a little cassio keyboard here.

1385
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's not just dis Graceland now, it's

1386
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: you know all you've turned it into so many things.

1387
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: And then when I see stories, for example, uh, Pete Davidson,

1388
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: who's gonna play joy ramone? Yeah, I think, well, do

1389
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: you think about this. Yeah, I love it. Actually, I

1390
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 1: think that's great. I think he's gonna kill it. I'm

1391
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: rooting for him. You know, he's gonna get killed. I mean,

1392
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: the Ramones fans are going to be all over him.

1393
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: But I think he's a New York guy. I think

1394
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: he'll know how important it is to get that role right,

1395
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: and I think he'll do a good job. I listened

1396
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: to the episode on Joey Ramone and I think it

1397
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: was Joey and Johnny. Yes, And what did you learn

1398
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: about the Ramones that you didn't already know? You know?

1399
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: I actually met the Ramones and I was ten years old.

1400
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: My dad's band opened up for them, um, and I remember,

1401
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know who they were. I remember

1402
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: my dad telling me he brought me because he knew

1403
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: how important it was, you know, and he was like,

1404
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna meet these guys, or you're gonna see these

1405
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: guys play because you're gonna love them. They're like the

1406
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: Beach Boys, but they're really loud. You know. All these

1407
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: years later like, yeah, it's kind of right, and uh,

1408
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even really remember meeting them, but

1409
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: I remember them being around and they were these big, tall,

1410
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: clad and black mysterious figures. Um, and they kind of

1411
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: blew my blew my mind. I went back to my

1412
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: neighborhood and started telling everyone I knew about and all

1413
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: of a sudden, these punk rock kids are like kicking

1414
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: my ask because I thought I was lying about it.

1415
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: It's total, total, life changing changing thing. Um. But even

1416
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: even with that experience and growing up being a fan

1417
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: of that band, I didn't realize truly how much uh

1418
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: Johnny Ramona Joy Ramone hated each other and just how

1419
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: dysfunctional the band was, and how sad of a story

1420
01:10:53,880 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: it is. It's really sad talk about family hating each other. Oasis, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1421
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean they ever I think so. I think they'll

1422
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: I think they'll get it together. I don't even know

1423
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 1: how much of that is. I mean, I know it's true,

1424
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: but I feel like for each of them, there's a

1425
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: part of them that knows that it's it's for the cameras,

1426
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: it's for Twitter, it's for whatever. And I think eventually

1427
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna end up back together. Did you do an

1428
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 1: episode on Oasis or is one coming soon? Did I

1429
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: see one of those? I just released a two part

1430
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: two part of on Oasis these past few weeks. Yeah, okay,

1431
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: so what what about Oasis? Do you think most people

1432
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: don't know that? Because I was a I was a

1433
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: big fan when they put out What's the Story for

1434
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: about three records? And then I just got tired of

1435
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: the Shenanigans. Yeah, and I stopped and I watched the

1436
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: documentary and that's about it. You know, I'll go back

1437
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: and listen and enjoy. You know, some of the stuff

1438
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: from when I was twelve, those first two records are

1439
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: still incredible, though. Yeah, they're incredible. Um, I didn't know

1440
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: just how hard they lived it, you know, I didn't know,

1441
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 1: especially Liam and uh, you know, of course, you know,

1442
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: to really look into it as much before I had

1443
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: to write the episode on him. And the one story

1444
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: I love that's in that's in there is this is

1445
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 1: later in Oasis his career, like I think in the

1446
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: early two thousand's, Uh, there was some dust up at

1447
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: a hotel in Germany and uh, Liam gets gets knocked

1448
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: out by the cops and and pulled into the station

1449
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: and he wakes up and his two front teeth are missing,

1450
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: and the cops explained to him that, yeah, he fell

1451
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: when he was passed out on the stairs and they

1452
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 1: got bashed in, And of course he's a smart guy

1453
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, if they got bashed in, they'd

1454
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: be bashed in. And they're they're like clean out, you know,

1455
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: like they're they were like yanked out, like the cops

1456
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: wanted to get back out and they yanked him out

1457
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: with flyers. That's brutal. That is brutal. And also for

1458
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: him to think about that right then, because you're right,

1459
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: I think I was just accept it. Yeah I went

1460
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: teeth that falling on my face. Yeah yeah, yeah, but

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01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: they're just clean out of his head. They were so big,

1462
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: especially at home. I mean they were the second coming.

1463
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: They were they were almost Beatles. They were the Beatles

1464
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: and the sex Pistols. That's how I describe them. They

1465
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: were as far as far as the UK was concerned,

1466
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 1: I mean they were they were like they were everything.

1467
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: They had the attitude and they had the songs. It's

1468
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: a shame they didn't keep it going. It's a shame

1469
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: they didn't get we didn't get ten records out of him.

1470
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:18,520
Speaker 1: Well in the States to their hits were mostly acoustick

1471
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: e or feel good bright songs, so we I didn't

1472
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: know how dark they were until I got older and

1473
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: could actually learn or cared to learn more about them.

1474
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: They had their hooligans, straight up violent soccer hooligans. It's

1475
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: the best I think. I saw a picture, you know,

1476
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien, Yeah, yeah, that was wild. I met him

1477
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: at this thing. Uh, it was funny. I was you

1478
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: know those things you gotta do for podcasts, You gotta

1479
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: go out around stage, you gotta talk about it, and

1480
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of advertisers in the room. And we

1481
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: were at one of those things and uh, I was

1482
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: waiting in the lobby to be let in, and I

1483
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: noticed Conan O'Brien walk in, and uh, he kind of

1484
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: looks at me, and uh, you know, I look back

1485
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: at him, and then uh, someone says to me, we're

1486
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: talking because it they're like, hey, Carlin, Bryan is like

1487
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: staring at you, like like with evil eyes. I like

1488
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: what I turned around. He's like daggers at me, and

1489
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: we're both kind of wearing the exact same thing. I

1490
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: noticed we both have on like Jeane jackets, you know,

1491
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: pompadoors geene pants. I'm like, he's probably pissed that I'm

1492
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: like I'm dressed like him, you know. And then I

1493
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,560
Speaker 1: walk up and he's on Now he's on stage, and

1494
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,799
Speaker 1: I'm waiting in the hallway and he's coming off stage,

1495
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: and uh, I see this woman leading him right to me.

1496
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: And he gets close enough and he goes, is this him?

1497
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: And he points out here and say that. I'm like,

1498
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? And I love coning

1499
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm from Boston, so I'm like, you know,

1500
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm a little freaked out. And he comes up. He's like,

1501
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: I love your podcast and he tells me that He's like,

1502
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, I had to go home the other night

1503
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: and I drove around for an extra hour so I

1504
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 1: could finish listening to the Brian Jones episode. And I

1505
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, you don't know what that means,

1506
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 1: Like that's gonna be He was so cool. He was

1507
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 1: so cool and aaronmankey from Laura that he does his

1508
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: podcast Laura. This guy know, he was standing next to me.

1509
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: He was he was he was smart enough to be like, hey,

1510
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: let me get a picture and he got a picture

1511
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: of the two of us, which is cool. Always good

1512
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: to have those friends. They can also step in and

1513
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 1: make in my case, maybe like a d web, like

1514
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: when I'm with somebody cool, because I want to be like, hey,

1515
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: may I get a picture with you? Because it's always

1516
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: then you're not as cool as they are, right exactly.

1517
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: But but if somebody goes, hey, this would be really

1518
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:16,759
Speaker 1: cool for both you guys, let me get that picture.

1519
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, man, I guess then you're on the level. Yes,

1520
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: then it all stays the same. I wish it was

1521
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: like the seventies or eighties where everything was candids. You

1522
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 1: see those great pictures of like Jack Nicholson at Joan

1523
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,839
Speaker 1: Didion's house just hanging out having a conversation with Mick Jagger,

1524
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, that's the stuff that I

1525
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: want on my walls, But that's never gonna have. We're

1526
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: in a different world now, know mine are all me

1527
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: taking a selfia me with somebody fames behind me, Like

1528
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: I know they're behind me. You did an episode on

1529
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: Joe Exotic. Yeah, yeah, that was kind of a joke.

1530
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: That was right when we hit the pandemic and I

1531
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: was looking for ways to just stay as connected as

1532
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: possible with people with the listeners, and I wanted to

1533
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: do them assault and that was in the middle of

1534
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: that whole thing, and I was like, hey, man, I

1535
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: do an episode in three days on this thing that

1536
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: we're all watching right now. Because I heard he was

1537
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: an actual singer, you know, and then I knew the

1538
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: story about how he kind of like, you know, he's

1539
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: singing in that in that series, but he's lips sinking

1540
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: someone else's songs. Is kind of a Millivanilli thing, So

1541
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I can use that as the kind

1542
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: of crime. It was all very tongue in cheek, and

1543
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: I put it out. I had friends emailing me, They're like, hey,

1544
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't a real singer, and yeah, I know,

1545
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: it's a joke. Did you learn anything though about him

1546
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 1: that we didn't see on the show, because I, like,

1547
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 1: you watched every episode everything he got in this bad

1548
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: car crash. You know, he was sort of you know,

1549
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: he was you know, he's growing up in the South

1550
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: and homosexual and how to keep all that down, and

1551
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: that contributed to who he became and how he lived

1552
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: his life. But there wasn't much more out there besides

1553
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: what was in the show. What's the story about disgrace Land?

1554
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: The name why you name the podcast that? Oh that's uh,

1555
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: that's Jerry Lee Lewis all the way. I once I

1556
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: read that, like, you know, in researching that first episode,

1557
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna do the podcast. I knew

1558
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: I needed a name. I had nobody who was going

1559
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,879
Speaker 1: to be And I read that the locals in Nesbit

1560
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: called Jerry Lee's place disgraceland, Uh, you know, in juxtaposition

1561
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: to Elvis's Graceland because they were, you know, two different

1562
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: people obviously, one dark, one light. So I was like, oh,

1563
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: that's it, that's my show title. Has anyone from any

1564
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: of the artist camps or families reached out to and

1565
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 1: been pissed about what they heard? No one's been pissed.

1566
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: I've heard good stuff. I mean I've heard. I've heard

1567
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: from people's families, um family members. I've heard from cops

1568
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: who were involved in some of this. Yeah. I heard

1569
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: from a cop who was involved with the the l

1570
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: A riots when I did the n w A episode.

1571
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: That meant a lot to me. That was he gave

1572
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: me some good feedback I heard from I heard from

1573
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: this dude, remember that show Welcome Back Carter. Of course,

1574
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: it's the guy who created that show. Was at the

1575
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: table with John Lennon and Pam Career that dust up

1576
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: at the Troubadour in l A that was in my

1577
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: John Lennon episode. He got in touch right away. He

1578
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: was like, you nailed it. That's exactly what happened. I

1579
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: was like, really, okay, cool the coolest fan of this show. Uh,

1580
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: coolest of the show. But a similar thing where you're like, day,

1581
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. They listened to this. Um, I don't

1582
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: know if he's if he would call himself a fan,

1583
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 1: but I got to spend some time with Elton John because, Uh,

1584
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: it was brought up to him that I interviewed him

1585
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: when he was doing this tour for his uh for

1586
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: rocket Man and the fact that he had already heard

1587
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: of the show and knew of the show. I'm mutual friend,

1588
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: had been at his house and played it for him,

1589
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: played him actually the John Lennon episode. The fact that

1590
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: he had that awareness of disgrace Land allowed the interview

1591
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: to happen, which was wild. That's pretty cool. I mean again,

1592
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: there are only so many living legends. We've had this

1593
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: debate on on this podcast at my radio show where

1594
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 1: it's like, who is the living legend? Elton John's definitely

1595
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: wanted them. We got we got a little Ifian coldplay.

1596
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah no, you say no, okay? Um, But my my

1597
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: greatest Elton John stories. I was sitting at a charity dinner.

1598
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: I like to tell this story because how often do

1599
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 1: you tell a story with you and Elton John? Right

1600
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: like you said, it was just cool to be able

1601
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: to be in the same room, but we're sitting literally

1602
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: right beside each other. He they just had their kid,

1603
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: so he had an iPad and he had pictures baby.

1604
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: He was showing me pictures of the baby, and it

1605
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 1: was like, and he was gonna go up and play. Um.

1606
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: One of my friends, his professional centers player Andy Roddick,

1607
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: used to be professional player. But Elton John was playing

1608
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: his benefit and I was hosting it. And so we're

1609
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: sitting at this table and showing me pictures and it's

1610
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: being I would say, little flirtatious at the same time,

1611
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: but it's selling John whatever, let's go. And so we're

1612
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: having a good time. I can't believe I'm hanging out

1613
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: with Elton John. We're talking and he goes up and

1614
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: he plays probably ten songs or so, and he's got

1615
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: a little prompter he has so many songs he reads

1616
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: the lyrics, can't chase all behind notes like he used to,

1617
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 1: but it's probably sent there. But the whole crowd is

1618
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: loving it. And about the last four songs, he stands

1619
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: up and acts like he's done. Everybody gives a little

1620
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: standing go and he sits back down. Does another song. Well,

1621
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: the final song I think he played Circle Alive for.

1622
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what song it was. It doesn't matter,

1623
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: but let's just act like a circle alive. So he

1624
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: ha's circle, walks off stage, guts me my head, kisses

1625
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: me right on the mouth, and then keeps walking and

1626
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: and everybody looked at me to see what I was

1627
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: gonna do. I was like, Yeah, that's a that's a

1628
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 1: Melton John story. It's amazing. That's amazing. Yes, that's fantastic.

1629
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 1: That's so you're expanding like crazy. List me off again

1630
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: the shows that I gotta go check out now. I

1631
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: listened to Disgrace Land. What else you got? Twenty seven

1632
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: Club Season three launches tomorrow with Janice Joplin. We have

1633
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:06,799
Speaker 1: two preziest previous seasons on Jim Morrison and Jimmie Hendricks,

1634
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: and then we've got bad Lands, which is this new

1635
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: franchise delving into Hollywood and sports, but it's basically Disgracefland

1636
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: just in these other cultural subject matters. And I've got

1637
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: a show on the Grateful Dead called Dead and Gone

1638
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: that I do. It's an investigative show that I do

1639
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: with Paine Lindsay. Was an investigative podcast True Crime bought

1640
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: all these missing and dead deadheads. Um, what else? What's

1641
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: happening with that? It's crazy? It's why is it just

1642
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: a culture? And in that culture they're just like the weirdos.

1643
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: And then that happened to be a few murderers, yes,

1644
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 1: dire wolves. It's basically I mean, look, you live that

1645
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,719
Speaker 1: far off the grid as a deadhead, there's some wild

1646
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: stuff that's gonna happen. And that's what happened. Uh, I

1647
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: mean it's it's it's followed the Grateful Dead their whole career.

1648
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: And what makes it so interesting is that the Grateful

1649
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: Dead is obviously you know, they're not a violent band.

1650
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole ethos of the Dead is is

1651
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 1: the complete opposite to mayhem and murder. But it's there,

1652
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: it's embedded into the into the culture in these uh,

1653
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: in these little sporadic moments and the stories are pretty fascinating. Okay,

1654
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 1: I just say, Hollywood, Hollywood Land, Hollywood Land. The launches

1655
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: May five, and listen, he shows up. He brings me

1656
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: four thirty dollar scratchhops. There you go, like when he

1657
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: pulls off in a fancy car and four thirty dollar scratchhops,

1658
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 1: you know life is pretty good for Jay. That's how

1659
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: you know. But listen, we met years ago in l

1660
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: a at the first ever I Heart Podcast Awards, and

1661
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: I felt guilty because I won the award and didn't

1662
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: deserve it. And I remember telling you that I don't

1663
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: have to start this award. Your podcast is the best

1664
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: one here. I don't know about that. No, it's true.

1665
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing great things you even you have inspired me

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Speaker 1: in a gazillion different ways. You're doing so much, you

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Speaker 1: are hustling, you have an amazing spirit and a lot

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Speaker 1: of hope at the core of everything you do. And

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Speaker 1: I think right now, that's what we need. And I

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Speaker 1: just want you to know from day one from I,

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Speaker 1: from when I first got hip to what you were doing,

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Speaker 1: I was like, this guy's the real deal and we

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Speaker 1: need more people like you. It's inspiring. I appreciate that

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Speaker 1: and you look just like me. It's like a mirror.

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Speaker 1: He's in the same glasses, it's the same. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I looked like you first, so that's true. I'm older,

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Speaker 1: just barely though. So what are you doing in town?

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Speaker 1: Why are you in Nashville? I had to do some

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Speaker 1: TV stuff and then um headed to Memphis right now,

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Speaker 1: actually right after this, hop in the car, head to Memphis,

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Speaker 1: meeting up with with a friend and we're doing some research,

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Speaker 1: and then I go back to be at my family

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Speaker 1: in Florida for a couple of days. Is it Elvis research?

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Speaker 1: I can't say, but yes. Do you think any chance

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Speaker 1: Elvis lived past the the toilet? Uh? Yes, you do,

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Speaker 1: not in any real way. But I'm going to play

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Speaker 1: with that a little bit. I'm gonna mess with that.

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Speaker 1: Any chance the misspelling on his grave was on purpose?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's shocking though, isn't it. Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: How does that not get through? Not catch that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's nuts. I don't know unless they're just dicking with

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Speaker 1: them on purpose. The seventies, man, it's wild. Do you

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Speaker 1: think Elvis at his core was a good person? I

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Speaker 1: think at his Corey was a good person, for sure.

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Speaker 1: But I also think there's a lot that went on

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Speaker 1: with Elvis. The olenge is the narrative in the myth

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Speaker 1: that people think is false. That was pretty wild and

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Speaker 1: pretty out there, and um, yeah, I think he had

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Speaker 1: his demons and you know, I mean, dude, he was

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Speaker 1: the most famous person on the planet for a very

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Speaker 1: long time and living in this insane bubble and the

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Speaker 1: pressure of all that, uh is something that we could

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Speaker 1: never realize and I think it came out in violent

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Speaker 1: ways that that we haven't really heard the full story on. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was he was obsessed with guns, he

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Speaker 1: was you know, he he had tricky relationships with women. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the food thing, I mean, just nuts. I am a

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Speaker 1: big fan. I appreciate you coming about you. Guys can

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Speaker 1: follow disgrace Land pod that's what I follow. Are there

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Speaker 1: other podcasting other accounts you want to, Yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: follow at disgrace lam pod on Instagram, Twitter, and we're

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Speaker 1: on Facebook and then of course all the other shows

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Speaker 1: I do. I do for my production company called Double Elvis.

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Speaker 1: That's just at Double Elvis. You can find that everywhere

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Speaker 1: as well. And you can hear Disgraceland on the Amazon

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Speaker 1: Music app. That's Amazon dot Calm slash disgrace. Big fan

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Speaker 1: of what you do. And if I went on one

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Speaker 1: of these scratchhops, I'm not going to say it was

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Speaker 1: one of these scratchops, so you don't claim it. That

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Speaker 1: would be its own episode. Thirty years later. I had

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Speaker 1: to get up killing you because you came for money

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Speaker 1: that I'm like, No, I wasn't it. Uh, Jake, good

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Speaker 1: to see you, but thanks for having me. Thank I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you,