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Speaker 1: Now let's start the show. Hello, Welcome to another edition

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Speaker 1: of Club Shashay. I am your host, also the proprietor

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Speaker 1: Club Shasha. The guy that's stopping by today. He's not

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Speaker 1: going to have a drink, but he is gonna have

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Speaker 1: a great conversation. He's one of the few that's won

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl as a player and as a head

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Speaker 1: coach Hall of Famer Tony Duddon all my life and

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Speaker 1: grinding all my life, sacond Fice, hustle back pricing one

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Speaker 1: slice got the bron Dice swad all my life. I've

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Speaker 1: been grinding all my life, all my life and grinding

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Speaker 1: all my life, sacond Fice, hustle back price one slice

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Speaker 1: got the ba dice to swathing all my life. I've

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Speaker 1: been grinding all my life. Coach, how are you today? Hey,

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Speaker 1: good to be with you, Shannon. I'm doing great. Thank you, so, coach.

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Speaker 1: I know you're doing your thing on the NBC or

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Speaker 1: Sunday Night football in America. What else do you do

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Speaker 1: you have going on right now? Well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: They've kind of doubled up on me this year, Shannon.

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Speaker 1: I with Notre Dame football, which got me back into

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Speaker 1: college football, and I also called last Sunday Night's game

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Speaker 1: with Mike Terico Green Bay in Chicago. Was a great

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Speaker 1: it's been a fun fall. Go. Do do you like

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you're an analyst. Do you like calling games?

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Speaker 1: You know? I'm getting used to it, and I'd really

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Speaker 1: know the players pretty much. You know who's on one team,

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Speaker 1: is it just in your critique because you're talking about

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Speaker 1: what is he doing? He should have caught that ball.

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Speaker 1: What was some of the values that they instilled in

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Speaker 1: than what you do. Put it in the Lord's hands.

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Speaker 1: the right way. I got that from my parents, and

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Speaker 1: the famed to Ski Airmen. How what's this a pride?

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Speaker 1: He didn't talk about it. He would always when I

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Speaker 1: sometimes life isn't fair, said, when they didn't want us

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Speaker 1: And I kind of I got his message, Okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: an integrated schools. So he said, hey, I had a choice.

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Speaker 1: don't let people tell you all to do it this way,

426
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Speaker 1: stay with what you believe. And it was a great

427
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 1: lesson that I learned from both of them. Cult are

428
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: you surprised you got trading because you led the team

429
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: in interceptions, I mean six interceptions most time, we'll get

430
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: you to the Pro Bowl. I was shocked. Yeah, really,

431
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: we're coming off of Super Bowl. I'd led the team

432
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Speaker 1: and interceptions. We had a lot of chemistry, but we

433
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: just had so many good players then, and we drafted

434
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: a couple of corners and Coach Nole just felt like,

435
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, I can use some of these corners and

436
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: we'll be better off. So it was one of those things.

437
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: But again I always looked at it like I think

438
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: it was the Lord kind of taking me out of

439
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: my comfort zone, put me in a place where I

440
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: could learn a little bit more because eventually I was

441
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: going to be a coach. I was never gonna be

442
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: a great player. But going through that San Francisco situation

443
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: and learning how Eddie dbarr Low built a winning organization

444
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: and Bill Walsh winning situation, it really helped me down

445
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: the road. Coach you beat. I mean, there was something

446
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: about the matchup between the Steelers and the Cowboys, and

447
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: it might have been a couple of years earlier where

448
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: they say it was the greatest collection of talent. If

449
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. It was about seventeen sixteen or seventeen

450
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers on the field at a given time,

451
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: and there haven't been that many before or since. What

452
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: was it like to be on the field and you're

453
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: playing the Cowboys with that star Study, you got Roger Starbeck,

454
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,719
Speaker 1: you got Torny Door said, you got all those you know,

455
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: Tony Hill, Drew Pearson. I mean they're loaded on offense

456
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: and defense as well as you guys are. Yeah. No,

457
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: it was one of those just unbelievable situations where you

458
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: kind of know it's gonna come down to that, and

459
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna play these guys, and neither side was intimidated, right,

460
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: and you knew they were gonna be great games, and

461
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: we enjoyed playing against them. They enjoy playing against us.

462
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, you're right. You're out there and it's it's

463
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: Mel Blunt covering Drew Pearson, and it's you know, Randy

464
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: White going against John Cole and it's one, yeah, one

465
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: after another after another, and Tony Dorset running inside against

466
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Speaker 1: Jack Lambert. And it was just when I wasn't in

467
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: the game, I was just right on what is happening

468
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: out there? And it was it was fascinating. But it

469
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: was two teams that really believed in themselves and believed

470
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: in their style of play, and it was great players

471
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: all over the field. Coach, when you got traded to

472
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Joe Montana was the quarterback. Uh and also

473
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Speaker 1: on that roster. People might not know this, h he's

474
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: an infamy now, but he was an all time great player.

475
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: O J. Simpson. Yes, obviously he wasn't the OJ from Buffalo,

476
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: but what what what do you remember about that year?

477
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: It was Coach Walsh trying to rebuild a franchise, a

478
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: proud franchise that was struggling. They had traded for OJ

479
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: in his later years, and OJ was the star. The

480
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: aura was there. We'd have police escorts, we had guards

481
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: at the hotel. I'm not kidding you. We were in

482
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: I was in a hotel room OJ's room playing cards

483
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: with Al Collings, OJ and a couple of other guys,

484
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: and a guy literally broke the window in the hotel

485
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: trying to get OJ's autograph, And I'm like, what, But

486
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the star power he had. Coach. People

487
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: don't believe because I think the thing is what transpired

488
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: after football. People don't realize that if you played running

489
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: back and you played in the seventies, you wanted to

490
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: be O. J. Simpson. Yeah, I came up. You wanted

491
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: to get You wanted to get thirty two. If you got,

492
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: you got thirty two. There were guys play a wide

493
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: receiving offensive lineman. D I like bra you not a

494
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: running back. You can't get thirty two. Everybody wanted thirty two.

495
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: Speak to what OJ was in the seventies at that position.

496
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: He was. He's what Patrick Maholes, what Brett what Aaron Rodgers?

497
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: He was that he was and not only on the

498
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: field but off the field, just kind of that star

499
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: power coming from USC. He'd been in the movies. When

500
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: I got out there, the first thing tell me about

501
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: being in the movies with Elizabeth Taylor. Did he tell

502
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: you all the stories? But you mentioned all those great

503
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: players on the Pittsburgh defense. That was the only guy

504
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: I ever saw intimidate those guys. When we would have

505
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: Buffalo Week, they would be on you as a young guy. Man,

506
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: you can't be off you read it all. You gotta

507
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: be right there when I hit this and spill the ball.

508
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: You better be there because OJ will take it to

509
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: the house. You gotta be on the details. And that's

510
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: the way they felt about it. And that's how he was.

511
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,239
Speaker 1: He was the best player at that position, and he

512
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: could go eighty yards on any play. So you said,

513
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm done bouncing around. I've gotten traded

514
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: from the Steelers to the forty nine ers, from the

515
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: forty nine ers through the Giants. Enough of this and

516
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: you say, you know what, I'm gonna get into coaching coach?

517
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: Why do you think it's the good to the average

518
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: play to the average players that become great coaches, but

519
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: the great players can't become great? What is it? And

520
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: you see that in every sport. You see that when

521
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: it comes to pick and talent. Why is it that

522
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: the guy that wasn't that great can pick talent can

523
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: coach better than say, an all time great can. I

524
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: think sometimes it's that guy who's not super talented that

525
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: has to work hard and has to do everything to

526
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: just make it right. And you're used to working and

527
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: doing the little things and trying to figure out edges.

528
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: But then I think there's also something in those great

529
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: players that they can't take imperfection real good to ask me? Yeah,

530
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: as Peyton Manning, is he going to go into coaching?

531
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: And I said, I say this, I said, you know what,

532
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: he would be so frustrated with that quarterback who can't

533
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: memorize sixty players and who can't check to the right check,

534
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, all the time. He would just it would

535
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: kill him to not be able to do some of

536
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: the things that he takes for granted. So I think

537
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: that happens to some of the great players at the time.

538
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: They get so frustrated that you know, Larry Bird was

539
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: in Indiana when when I was coaching the Colds, he

540
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: was coaching the pacers and guys who wouldn't work hard,

541
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: who didn't understand basketball. It would just he wouldn't say

542
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: anything about it. You could see it just driving him

543
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: crazy when they mentally wouldn't do the things that he expected.

544
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: And what I've told people, I said, because things came,

545
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: not that it came easy. They made it look easy.

546
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: And so in talking to Magic Johnson, He's like it

547
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: was frustrating to him because he could see things and

548
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: he was wondering why that guy couldn't see exactly because

549
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: he's not magic. So but when you look at it coaching,

550
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: you look at some of the guys that picked the players,

551
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: like Bill Nunne. He probably didn't play football, but he

552
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: knew how to pick Joe Green and Mel Blunt and

553
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Jack Lambert and Lin Suan and Mike and and and

554
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: Star Wars. He knew that you look at Arthy, Bruce Buford,

555
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: you look at Bill Polian. Those guys didn't played, but

556
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: you get guys that played and won Super Bowls. And

557
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: they picked buzz after bus after bus after bus, and

558
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: would in Canton like you and I got coach Bill.

559
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: Bill told me that. Bill nunn told me that he

560
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: said when they asked him about coming, he said, Hey,

561
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't even I never played football. I'm a basketball player.

562
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: You know, athletes bring athletes to us, bring guys who

563
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: are commuting. No heart, you know, toughness, that's what we're

564
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 1: looking for. And that's what he went out and found.

565
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: Coach you, he was the youngest defensive coordinator in NFL

566
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: history at twenty eight. What's going through your mind when

567
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: they say, is okay, coach, you're gonna be a You're

568
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: gonna be a DC. Now I have to tell you

569
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: that story said, and it is so funny. I start

570
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: out at twenty five and I'm coaching there and Coach

571
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: Noel makes me the defensive backfield coach. So two years later,

572
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: the USFL comes into existence and they're raiding the NFL.

573
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: They're coming after our players and coming after our coaches.

574
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: So we lose three coaches to the USFL, and I'm thinking, man,

575
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: what is coach nol gonna do now all our veteran

576
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: coaches are gone. I'm the only guy left on the staff.

577
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: He's hiring people, but he hasn't hired a defensive coordinator

578
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: and he never does, and so I'm thinking, am I

579
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator? But he's never said that? So my

580
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: wife says, we'll go ask him, just to ask him.

581
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: So we're at the combine and this year they have

582
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: it down in New Orleans. This is nineteen eighty four.

583
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 1: So we're in New Orleans and I'm about to ask him,

584
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: and he says, hey, I want you to come to

585
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: Preservation Hall with me tonight. I don't know what Preservation

586
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: Hall is. I think it's maybe an eating place or

587
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: a restaurant. So he's gonna take me to dinner and

588
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: tell me I'm the defensive coordinator. So I tell my

589
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: wife I'm gonna find out. I'm gonna find out. It's

590
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: this little jazz place hole in the wall in New Orleans.

591
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: We go there, he's watching this guy play the horn.

592
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: We come back to the hotel. He said, Oh, that

593
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: was a great night. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for coming.

594
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: I called my wife act She said, why are you

595
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator? I said, I don't know. She said,

596
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: you didn't ask him. I said, I thought he was

597
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: gonna tell me. He didn't say anything. So I finally

598
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: go back, get up the nerve to ask him, and

599
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: he said, well, of course you're the defensive coordinate. You

600
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: know more about this defense than anybody. Why would you

601
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: not be And that was just his m that's the

602
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: way he thought, and so he made me the DC

603
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: at twenty eight years old. So why did you decide

604
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: to leave and go to Kansas City? I went, it

605
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: was time for me to see a different system, okay,

606
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: And I'd been there my whole life, and everything I

607
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: knew was Pittsburgh Steeler football. So I went and it

608
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: was again another real good opportunity for me. Marty Schottenheimer.

609
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: Bill Kauer with a different system three four defense saw

610
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: the way Marty did things, and I kind of learned

611
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: and the difference I saw right away. Coach Nol believed

612
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: in being precise and being efficient. We went home at

613
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: nine o'clock every night, never spent a later night there.

614
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: I get to work with Marty. The first Tuesday, we're

615
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: there till two in the morning. My wife said, where

616
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: have you been. I said, I've been at the office.

617
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: She said, no, I don't believe that. I said, I

618
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: have been at the office. Really, And I learned that

619
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: that's the way Marty was. He was precise on everything.

620
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: He wanted to be on every detail and leave no

621
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: stone unturned. So I learned that side of it. But

622
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: then I found out you could mix the two get

623
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: the best of both worlds. Be efficient like coach and old,

624
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: beyond the details like coach Schottenheimer. But trust your coaches

625
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: and delegate a little bit just because you you should

626
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: work smarter, not harder. If sometimes you work till four

627
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, now you just there, you just

628
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: wasted time. Yep, yep, yep. It's don't mistake time spent

629
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: for work done. Coach. And then you go, you go

630
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: to Minnesota where you become the DC under Denny Green

631
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, Yes, And that was a blessing saying.

632
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you about that one. Denny. Really he

633
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: wanted me to be a head coach. He wanted me

634
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: to help the defense and help them win. But he

635
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: tutored me for four years. You're going to get a

636
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: job and why you're the defensive coordinator. Here you're gonna learn.

637
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cheat you about being a head coach. And

638
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: that was the best four years of my life in

639
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: terms of preparation because he let me in on things. Hey,

640
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm about to make a quarterback change. Here's why I'm

641
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: gonna do it. You're gonna be in this position sometimes.

642
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: Think about this. Here's what's going on in the pernell

643
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: me and you come in and sit even though you're

644
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: you're just an assistant coach. You sit in the meeting

645
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: with the scouts. I want you to see the dialogue

646
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: back and forth. He helped me so much as unbelievable

647
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: is that what you do? Is that why you paid

648
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: it for with Jim car Well, Mike Tomlin and some

649
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: some of your other coaches. That's what absolutely Leslie Fraser,

650
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, Herman Edwards. He became my assistant head coach,

651
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: and he was the first guy to leave Lovey Smith.

652
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that with all of them because

653
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: then he helped me so much. I wanted to do

654
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: the same thing. I saw how beneficial it was. Hey, Herm,

655
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a head coach. You're gonna be the

656
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: assistant head coach here. You're gonna be in on these

657
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: personnel meetings. You're gonna be in on the draft meetings

658
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: because you're gonna need to know how to do this.

659
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: At some point. You coach Johnny Randall, one of the

660
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: two or three best defensive tackles, Jack del Reel with

661
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: a linebacker. You people don't realize how talented that defensive

662
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: line was, Henry Thomas. If I'm not mistaken, I think

663
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: Adam Nova, Chris Dolman who was still on that it

664
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: was on that defensive line. Then you were you had

665
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: the number one defensive football Shannon. That was the only

666
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: time I was ever discouraged in the whole process, and

667
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: I had to talk to my dad and he had

668
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: to get me out of the tank. Nineteen ninety three,

669
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: we had some of those guys you mentioned, Jack del Rio,

670
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: John Randall, Hall of Famer Chris Dolman Hall of Fame.

671
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: We leave the NFL and defense give up the least

672
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: rushing yards in sixty years. There are seven job openings

673
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: that year. I didn't get one phone call. Didn't even

674
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: get a phone call that hey, we'd like to talk

675
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: to your interview. And I'm thinking, Man, if seven openings

676
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: number one defense and it doesn't happen this year, it

677
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: may never happen. But I had to go back to

678
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: my dad. You know, don't worry about it. Make the

679
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: situation better, Go out there and work harder. The chaplain

680
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: of the Vikings told me, don't worry about the jobs

681
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: you didn't get. Be the best assistant coach you can be.

682
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: The Lord will have a good spot for you. Just

683
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: look forward. I don't look back. And I had to

684
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: fight through that nineteen ninety three year, and then two

685
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: years later U I end up getting the Buccaneers job,

686
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: and lo and behold, Derek Brooks is sitting there waiting

687
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: for me. John Randall, I mean John Lynch is waiting

688
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: for me. One Tamps waiting for me. So it was

689
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: the right time, right place, right situation, coach. But the

690
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: thing is that sometimes and when I look at black

691
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: coaches finally getting jobs. They get jobs, they go to Tampa,

692
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: bottom fevers, they go to the Jets, they go to

693
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: the arab from the Cardinals, with the exception of Mike

694
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: Comlin going to the Steelers. That's normally what happens. They

695
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: don't inherit teams that we think of that are normally winners.

696
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: How frustrating was like, now, when I had this great

697
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: defense and all these jobs opening, some of them better

698
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 1: than what Tampa, I didn't get a call. Now y'all

699
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: want me to go turn around Tampa. They've been terrible

700
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: for up they came into existence. Well, you kind of

701
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: had to just expect that. It was fourteenth straight losing seasons,

702
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: and I was really the third choice. They wanted Jimmy Johnson,

703
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: he went to Miami. They wanted Steve Spurrier, he was

704
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: the head coach at Florida. Then he said, I'm staying

705
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: at Florida. So now they had to go to the

706
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: second tier of coaches. But I said, you know what,

707
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: that's all right with the talent that's here. If I

708
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: can change this culture around, if we can start to

709
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: think like winners and act like winners, we're gonna be okay.

710
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: And people were telling me, oh, don't go to Tampa.

711
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: It's a graveyard for coaches. You'll ruin your career. But

712
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: it was the right spot for me at the right time.

713
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: What was the toughest obstacle you had to overcome when

714
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: you got to Tampa The mentality that the losing mentality

715
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: players thinking Hey, we're not gonna win anyway, so I

716
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: better just get my individual stats right, I better do

717
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: things so I can make money. But going to them

718
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: and saying, you know what, if we turn this around mentally,

719
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: if we come together, if we work at it, we're

720
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. Hardy Nickerson was our captain. He was

721
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: a free agent. I had to talk him in to

722
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: stay hey, and fortunately he knew me. I had coached

723
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: him in Pittsburgh. Hardy, we're gonna put this in. We're

724
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: gonna turn it around like the Steelers. Stay. We need

725
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: you to stay because if you go, it's just going

726
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: to keep the revolving door open. Let's do something special.

727
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: And fortunately he took the challenge and stayed there. But

728
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: convincing people we could win and get in that winning

729
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: mentality that was definitely the toughest thing couch. When you

730
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: look at some of the guys you had Ronny barber

731
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: work done. I mean, Ronny is gonna be up for

732
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. You got Sap Brooks is in

733
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. John Lynch is coming up for

734
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. When you look at and what

735
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: you were able to do from ninety seven to two

736
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: thousand and one, you were in the playoffs and you

737
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: went to the NFC Championship game. What is the reason

738
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: you think you weren't quite able to get over the Huk.

739
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: We just needed a little more time, and we kind

740
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: of left our blueprint. We got impatient when we when

741
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: I took the job, we talked about let's let's develop

742
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: ourselves into a good team that competes every year. That

743
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: was our goal. And we got there and we did that,

744
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: and then I think our ownership, well, gosh, we have

745
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: all these players. We should have won a super Bowl.

746
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: Like like winning super bowls, it's easy, you know, right,

747
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: we should have won two or three. Well, we didn't

748
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: quite get there. But if we hang in there and

749
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: we keep our plan, will be okay. We went I

750
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: think we got a little spoil. We went from fourteen

751
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: straight losing seasons to wear in the playoffs every year, Well,

752
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: that's not really good enough. We got to get over

753
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: the hump. We gotta do this. So it was disappointing.

754
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: And then the very next year they wonted. John Gruten

755
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: did a tremendous job, came in, reshaped the offense. They

756
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: had a great year and they won it, but didn't

757
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: have the consistency from from then on out. And I

758
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: ended up going to Indianapolis, and again that was kind

759
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: of a blessing to get a Hall of Fame quarterback.

760
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: Do you believe had you had been given some more

761
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: time in Tampa you would have won a championship in Tampa?

762
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: Literally think we would have. We were close and we

763
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: could have gotten it done. We had a great group there,

764
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: but that's not the way it worked out. So, like

765
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: my desks would always tell me, you have to look

766
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: forward and make the situation better. Don't don't look back,

767
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: don't complain about it, look forward and do better there. Coach,

768
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: what were your emotions after watching John Druden win a

769
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: title with the team you had constructed. It's almost watching

770
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: it's almost watching your ex girlfriend go to the prom

771
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: you supposed to go to the prom with me and

772
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: now you go on with that joker. It was definitely better. Sweet.

773
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: You have all those guys that you coached and you

774
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: want to see them do well. And we had talked about,

775
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, in my first meeting with Warren Sapp and

776
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: Brooks and Lynch and Donny Abraham and Ron de Barber, Hey,

777
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: we want to do this, Mike all stop. And to

778
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: see those guys hoist that trophy, it was great, But

779
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: then the bitterness of not being there, So it was

780
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: I was happy for them, and I was sad that

781
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't there with him. A lot of people have

782
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: compared your your situation in Mark Jackson's situation because it's

783
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: like he laid the groundwork of what's going on with

784
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: Steph Clay and Draymond. Steve Kirk comes in, Bills on

785
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: that win the championship, wins up several others once they

786
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: add kd Are the are the situation similar? I guess

787
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: you could look at it. You know, Golden State hadn't

788
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: been winning, they got got going, and the ownership felt like, well,

789
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: maybe Mark's not the guy to take us to that

790
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: next level. Same thing in Tampa. But I guess my

791
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: hope was always to make the situation better, leave it

792
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: in better shape than when I got there. So I

793
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: left Tampa. The next year they went win a Super Bowl.

794
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: I was in Indianapolis seven years. Jim Calwell took over

795
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: from me the next year. The cover wasn't bare. They

796
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl, don't win it, but they

797
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: get there. So I felt like I left two organizations

798
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: in better shape than when I inherited them. So that

799
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: that was my goal and my objective. Okay, you get

800
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: the call head coaching opportunity for the internapolace coach. What's

801
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: going through your mind when you know what they have

802
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: in Indy? They got the one position that in order

803
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: for you to win you must have. Now, it was

804
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: really unbelievable for me. Jim Mercy said, hey, we've got

805
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: our offense in place, we've got a franchise quarterback. We

806
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: need you to come put the defense together. But more

807
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: than that, lead the team. And he told me, he said,

808
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking for that consistency that Pittsburgh had. That's what

809
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. So it was really I was excited.

810
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: And then after talking to Peyton and he said, hey,

811
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: I want to be coached. I want to win. I

812
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: want to help just make this a great franchise. I

813
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: just knew we were going to be in good shape.

814
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: How easy or how difficult is it to coach a

815
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: player like Peyton? It's easy in this way. He wants

816
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: to be great and he wants you to tell him

817
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: how to be great. The difficult part of coaching him

818
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: was his expectations. He would come in every day with

819
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: a yellow legal pad. We need to do this, this, this, this,

820
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: and this. You'd have to be able to say, Okay,

821
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: we can do two of these things. The other eight

822
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: we can't do just yet because you might be smart

823
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: enough to handle it, but we've got fifty three other

824
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: guys that you know. We got to slow down a

825
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: little bit. And he always was you know, hey, we

826
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: can do this, we can do this better, and you

827
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: love that, but you had to kind of temper it

828
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: at times. Was it hard coaching a great player that's

829
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: great knows he's great, but you're like, uh, yeah, Peyton,

830
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: you're great, but I don't have ten other Peyton managed

831
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: to go along with you. Back could be the toughest thing.

832
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: Sometimes he would see, especially on offense, he would see

833
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: something that another team ran against our opponent. We ought

834
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: to put this in this I know it will work. Yeah,

835
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: we could put it in, but everybody's going to pick

836
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: it up as fast as you are. So let's let's

837
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: work on the plays that we already have. So playing

838
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, obviously you were a quarterback, you played

839
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: in a major college being a defensive coordinator, because I

840
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: think that's where it probably you helped Peyton the most

841
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: because you get an opportunity to say, well, Peyton, if

842
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: you came out in this formation, in this area of

843
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: the field, in this situation, this is the coverage that

844
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: I would probably be played against you. And if you

845
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: did this, this would be my retort to what you're doing.

846
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: Talk talk to talk to us about you sitting down

847
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: with Peyton going over game plans on what he wanted

848
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: to do and what he were you were expecting from

849
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: the opposing defense. Yeah, we'd have a lot of those

850
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: kind of conversations. And the other unique thing is our

851
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, Tom Moore, was my offensive coordinator in college.

852
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: We had the same system. No hu law offense to quarterback,

853
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: ran everything in the line of scrimmage. So I played

854
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: in that system and I knew it but then I

855
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: would come and on Fridays, I would be the defensive

856
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: coordinator for the scout team. So I would throw up

857
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: the defenses and say, and I have the advantage. I

858
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: knew I had the script, I knew what I played,

859
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: so I could say, all right, we're gonna do this.

860
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: We'll see if he can handle this. Blitz over here

861
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: would wreck this play. We'll do this, and I try

862
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: to keep him sharp that way. They might do these

863
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: kind of things. But but we would have those conversations,

864
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: what do you think the defense will do to take

865
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: away Marvin today? What are they gonna do? And I

866
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: would say, well, here's their options, based on their personnel.

867
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: They might try to do this, they might try to

868
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: do this. Well, what is the weakness if they do that? Well,

869
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: here's where we can hit him. And I used to

870
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: love to have those kind of conversations with him. Coach,

871
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: you've seen so stoical on the sideline. I don't think

872
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: i've ever in all the years that I've played against you,

873
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: I've watched you, I don't think i've ever seen you

874
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: throw your hand. I don't ever see you throw up

875
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: your hands. I know you don't swear so I've never

876
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: seen you do that. How are you able in a

877
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: chaotic environment because you know what side lines are, and

878
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: you know the swing and the ebbs and flows of

879
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: a ball game, how are you able to stay so calm? Well?

880
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: Two things that helped me. Number One, when I played,

881
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: if I made a mistake, I didn't need a coach

882
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: to yell at me and tell me I made a mistake.

883
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: I knew what I did wrong. What I needed was

884
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: somebody to tell me what I should do to do

885
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: it right. So I always had that in mind. Players

886
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: aren't trying to mess up on purpose, So what can

887
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: I do to help that guy do it better the

888
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 1: next time? And then the second thing, if something would

889
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: go wrong with a bad call, with a fumble, with

890
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: a problem, it's already bad. What can we do to

891
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: make it better? Let's think about the next play. That

892
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: was always my mentality. Coach, you had some classic battles

893
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: for our younger viewers. I don't know if they realized this,

894
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: but the Indianapolis coach used to be in the AFC

895
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: East along with the New England Patriots, So you had

896
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: that matchup Brady Belichick and Dungee Peyton against for two

897
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: games every year, and normally it was going to determine

898
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: who got home fielding batty throughout. So what's your mindset

899
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: knowing that probably the winner of this division was probably

900
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: more time than not gonna have home field throughout the

901
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: playoffs and the road to the super Bowl was going

902
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: to come through the others building. Yeah, no, that that

903
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: started the rivalry. And then by time I got there,

904
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: we had did realaligned and we went into the FC South,

905
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: so we weren't playing those guys twice a year, We're

906
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: only playing them once. But you're exactly right. We knew

907
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: when we played them, whoever won that game was going

908
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: to have the home game in the playoffs, So that

909
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: just amped it up even more. So it was always

910
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: that circle game on our schedule. Here's the Patriots week four,

911
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: here's the Patriots week ten, here's the Patriots week twelve.

912
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: That's the game we got a zeroin on because if

913
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: we went that one, that playoff game is going to

914
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: be there. And we finally got it in two thousand

915
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: and six, we got the home game in Indianapolis, and

916
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: that's the one we got to the super Bowl. You

917
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: know what happened with Spygate that you know, and they

918
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: were stealing signals and the NFL said, well, look, you

919
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: can take signals, but you just need to be from

920
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: an elevated platform, not feel level. So did you ever

921
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: fully trust them knowing that they because I'm not so sure, Coach,

922
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: had they been called they would have ever stopped. Well,

923
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: that that was not a well kept secret. We knew

924
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: that for a long time before it ever came out.

925
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: Players that had left New England kind of tip people off,

926
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: so that was something they were doing for a long time.

927
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: We had always adjusted and gone to wrist bands and

928
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: different things because you know, you didn't want that to happen.

929
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: But that that was well, I shouldn't say, well document,

930
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: but a lot of people knew about that before it

931
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: actually came out, Coach. But if you think about it,

932
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: let's just say you and I. Okay, I'm I'm you

933
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: and I. Let's just say we do we're in a

934
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: CD business. We bank robbers. And I said, Coach, you

935
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: know what, Coach, I want to go on the straight

936
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: and narrow. I've been doing this for too long. I've

937
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: had an epiphany that that God want me to do

938
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: the right bank. Now I'm not gonna do anymore bank robbing. Now,

939
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: you can go ahead and continue to do that if

940
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: you want to, but just don't rob my bank. You

941
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: can rob all the other banks and I won't call

942
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: the LBI on you, but just don't hit mine. You

943
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: tell me, screw you. I will hit your bank anyway.

944
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: Do I have any other choice that to turn you in?

945
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: Well that I think that's what happened with Spygate when

946
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: their coaches went to the Jets and they said, I'm

947
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: not gonna lose because you're you're doing something. You don't

948
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: do it. I think you're right, but you know, and

949
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: everybody tries to get signals, and that wasn't the crime.

950
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: And the whole thing I and you watch, you watch

951
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: the other side, and if you can catch a signal,

952
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna do that. But you couldn't record them. You

953
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: got memos every year. You cannot record with video. You

954
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: can't do that from the field level, from the field level, correct, correct,

955
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: you cannot do it. And so that that was the thing.

956
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: They were good at it. You just had to coach.

957
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: I remember when I played, we would try to get

958
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: the TV copy because you wanted quarterback was saying you

959
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: wanted to hear what the defense was saying. So if

960
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: you could pick up certain things. I remember playing the

961
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: charges and they had certain calls, they would go to Reno,

962
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: they would go to Vegas. It means they would go

963
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: to Cover two. Okay, we had heard that so much

964
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: and every time they check, we had the perfect check

965
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: that I ended up, you know, blissing them. Okay, I

966
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: get that. But if the NFL says you can fish

967
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: end up lake, but just not on this side, right, well,

968
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: don't do it right right right, absolutely, And that's that's

969
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: what I think a lot of people didn't understand. Well,

970
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: everybody does that. Everybody does try to do that. We

971
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: listen to the TV copies and you have scouts to

972
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: just do that and go over things. But if they

973
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: say you can't do it this way, you gotta buy

974
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: it by the rules. Right Coach, Let's go to Super

975
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: Bowl forty one. You're the first. You and Lovey Lovey

976
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: was on your staff. You helped him. You prepare and

977
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: get it, get a job. So I'm helped me understand. Okay,

978
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: it's gotta be better, sweet because you're like, okay, one

979
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: of us are gonna be the first black. You win

980
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. That's gonna I really you know what.

981
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: I love it. I want you. I'm happy for you,

982
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: love it, but I really want to be the first.

983
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: The second one. It's not going to get the parade.

984
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get that the first guy got. So

985
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: I just go, look, oh, good job, love me, good luck.

986
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: I'm trying to beat your eyes and love. No, you're

987
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I remember watching Doug Williams. I was an

988
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 1: assistant coach in Pittsburgh when they want I wanted Doug

989
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: and win that Super Bowl and they want it, and

990
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: you just so much pride and you knew the history involved.

991
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: So here we are in two thousand and six and

992
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: you feel like this is gonna be history. Yeah, I

993
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: want our guys to be part of it, and I

994
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: want to make that history. And love You'll get his

995
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: next year. I want to go back to the AFC

996
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: Championship game. You're in your building. This is what you wanted.

997
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: You beat them early in the year, which forced them

998
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: to come to you, come to the RCA Dome. I

999
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: think that's the day. But it might have been Lucasoil,

1000
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: if fath Lucasoil, but you forced them to come to you.

1001
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: You're down twenty one to three. What's going through your

1002
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: mad I can't believe this is happening again. How can

1003
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: we be playing so bad against the Patriots? We get

1004
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: a field goal right before the end of a half.

1005
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: Now it's twenty one six and you'll remember this. We're

1006
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 1: walking in to the locker room. You guys are doing

1007
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: a halftime James Brown says, no team has ever come

1008
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: back for more than ten points down in a championship game,

1009
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: and it's on our TV. I'm saying, why can't CBS,

1010
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: Why can't you guys just wait till we get in

1011
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: the locker room to say that. I could just say

1012
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: that now, but our guys hung in there and they said,

1013
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: you know what, we've just got to start playing better.

1014
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: It's not that they're out playing us, we're making mistakes.

1015
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: So we get the ball the second half kickoff. If

1016
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: we can score and make it a one score game,

1017
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: I would be back in. That's exactly what happened. But

1018
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: our guys tremendous poise and confidence to just fight back.

1019
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: But at that moment, I was thinking, how could we

1020
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: play so bad in the first half. Okay, you finally

1021
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: get the lead, you get the two points. So now

1022
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: they need a touchdown, not a field goal to beat

1023
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: you or tie you, They need a touchdown. So Tom Brady,

1024
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: you know what he's already done there at that point

1025
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: in time, he has three super Bowls, only threats to me.

1026
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: What's going So what's going through your mind? What's the emotion?

1027
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: What are you feeling? At that moment when Joseph died

1028
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: scored and Adam kicked that extra point and put us

1029
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: up for I said, we're gonna win this game. No

1030
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: way is our defense is gonna let them go down

1031
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: in one minute and score a touchdown. I had total

1032
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: confidence at that point. As great as Brady is, I

1033
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: just knew time and everything it was gonna be difficult.

1034
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: And they edit down the field, got to midfield, but

1035
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: it was just that he had to try to make

1036
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: play and Marlon Jackson came up with the game winner. Now,

1037
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: at that moment, that's when everything broke loose for me.

1038
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: When Marvin Marlin intercepted that ball, I said, man, I

1039
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: cannot believe we're going to the super Bowl. And then

1040
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: you get to the super Bowl. Now, coach, I don't

1041
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: know what you were thinking. Did Adam Vina Tarry to

1042
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: put this ball in the air to Devin Hester. What

1043
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: we what were you thinking? That was all on me, Shannon.

1044
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: For two weeks we talked about not letting Devin Hester

1045
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: touch the ball. We're gonna kick it in the corners,

1046
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna squib it, we're gonna punt it out of bounds.

1047
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: This man is the best threat they have. We can't

1048
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: let him touch the ball. Our chapel speaker before the

1049
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: game gives the chapel message on David and Goliath, and

1050
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: he says, you know how David beat Goliath because he

1051
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: wasn't afraid of him. He was one of the few

1052
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: that went right at him. I started thinking, and we

1053
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: can't be afraid of Devin Hester. We gotta be like David.

1054
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: We gotta go right. We're gonna kick the ball right

1055
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: to him. When we found him, Goliath's gonna go down.

1056
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna know we mean business. So I changed up

1057
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: right then. I said, I hope we lose the toss.

1058
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna kick off the damn you guys pound Devin Hester.

1059
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: That'll set the tone. Twelve seconds later, he's in the

1060
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: other ends. Though everybody's looking at me like, what is

1061
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: wrong with our coach, go, you let the chapel chaplain

1062
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: gash you will the kicked up ball to Devin Health

1063
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: after two weeks and said he is not touching the football.

1064
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: He's not gonna impact this ball game. And after I

1065
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: told him the story, he said, oh, you got the

1066
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: wrong message from it. The message was you gotta know

1067
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: where the week spot is, right between the eyes. You

1068
00:55:55,560 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: gotta go for the week spot. I wish you'd explain

1069
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: the message a little better to me. Coach, As time

1070
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: is winding down on the clock and you realize, man,

1071
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this. I'm gonna We're gonna win the

1072
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and I'm gonna be this. This is gonna

1073
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: be one of the more memorable super Bowls in NFL history,

1074
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: just like when Doug won. Now you've won, what's going

1075
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: through your mind as time is running down, the confetti

1076
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: starts to rank come down. It's been raining basically the

1077
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: whole the whole day. What's going through your mind at

1078
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: that moment. I'm thinking about my dad and walking and

1079
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: not taking the bus and teaching at the segregated school.

1080
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about those ten African American assistant coaches who

1081
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: never had a chance to become the head coach. I'm

1082
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 1: thinking about my mom and dad just telling me, don't

1083
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: let anybody else define you, don't give up. And I

1084
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: felt like I was representing all of them. And then

1085
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: I thought about Jim Mercy. He gave me a chance,

1086
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: he wanted me to coach his team, and I was

1087
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: just so grateful at that moment, and I just all

1088
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: the emotion came out and it was just it was

1089
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: a great moment, and I said, man, these guys did it.

1090
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: They did it. Coach in two thousand and eight, you

1091
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: became the first coach to defeat all thirty two teams.

1092
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: Why'd you walk away after the season. I started coaching

1093
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: when I was twenty five, so I had had a

1094
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: twenty eight year career. My wife and my family had

1095
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: made all the sacrifices that coaches families have to make.

1096
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,479
Speaker 1: I just felt like I owed them some time, and

1097
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: I wanted Jim call While I knew I was gonna

1098
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: step down at some point, I knew Jim Callwell was

1099
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: going to replace me. I wanted Jim to have a

1100
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: team that was still in the prime. I didn't want

1101
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: him to come in when we were on the downhill side.

1102
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: So I just felt like it was a proper time.

1103
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: I did what I wanted, My family felt good about it.

1104
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: Jim took him to the super Bowl the next year,

1105
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: so I really felt it was proper time. And you

1106
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: mentioned Jim cardwell, and obviously Peyton gets the injury. Things

1107
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: don't go according to plan. Jim mercy Clean's house, he

1108
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: removes him Bill Polly and brings them a new staff.

1109
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: Jim gets a job at Detroit and somehow uncertain moonstly,

1110
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: he loses the job after fourth season, goes to two

1111
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: sloop both he's nine and seven. Do you think he

1112
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: was released unfairly? And do you think he deserves a

1113
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: second chance? Absolutely? I heard missus Ford's press conference when

1114
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: she made a switch in Detroit, and she said, we've

1115
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: had the best three year record in the last fifty

1116
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: years of any Lions team, and our community is different,

1117
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: our locker room is different. He's made an impact, we've

1118
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: got better young men, we've got all this, but we're

1119
00:58:53,960 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna go in another direction than this doesn't make sense. Well,

1120
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: they did go in another direction down right and that, yeah,

1121
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: and so it didn't make sense. Sometimes that happens, but

1122
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: it kind of reminded me of when I was in

1123
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: Tampa and Jim had taken them to the playoffs. Once

1124
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: on the cuspo of the playoffs and they're saying, well,

1125
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: it's just not quite good enough. Sometimes you have to

1126
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: stay the course. And I wish they would have. I

1127
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: wish they had a coach when I when I talk

1128
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: about your coaching tree, when I talk about Levy who

1129
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: was your linebacker coach in Tampa. What's the first thing

1130
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: that goes through your mind when I mentioned Levy Smith, Cool,

1131
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: calm and collected. Mike Tomlin unbelievable demeanor. He came to

1132
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: me as twenty nine year old. He's in the room,

1133
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: he's coaching John Lynch and Ronde Barber, and he's got

1134
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: total control of the room. Very confident, without being cocky.

1135
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: I knew he was going to be a superstar. Jim Cardwell,

1136
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: Who's demeanor reminds me most of you, yea tremendous quarterback coach.

1137
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: People don't always want to look at this. Peyton Manning

1138
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: was a five hundred player and a very good quarterback.

1139
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: When Jim Carwall got there, he turned into a fifty touchdown,

1140
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: nine interception Hall of Fame quarterback. After Jim Carwall got there.

1141
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: He did the same thing with Matthew Stafford. He develops quarterbacks.

1142
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: Herm Edwards energy, unbelievable energy, never give up, miracle in

1143
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: the Middlelands. That's him every day. It doesn't matter if

1144
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: we're down with one second left, we still got a chance.

1145
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: And he was just just tremendous. Of all the guys

1146
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: that I mentioned, Mike Tomlin seems to be the most

1147
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: opposite of you, very matter of fact all although Herm

1148
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: is very animated, love it and Jim kind of their

1149
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: personality kind of reminds me most of you, where Mike

1150
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: is totally opposite of you and Herm is just Herm

1151
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: is a ball of energy. Yeah, all the guys are

1152
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: a little bit different. But that's one thing I learned

1153
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: from Coach. No, you can't hire everybody the same. You

1154
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: gotta have people use their strengths and you know, don't

1155
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: look for everybody to be just like you. And so

1156
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: everybody was a little different. Lesley Fraser worked with me,

1157
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: He's tremendous. Mike Schuela, Rod Marinelli. I've just been blessed

1158
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: to be around a lot of good people that I

1159
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: tried to help them develop and utilize their strengths. But coach,

1160
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: if you look at it, a lot of times when

1161
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: coaches get their first job, they normally hire people that's

1162
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: already been coaches before. And you seem to be more

1163
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: willing to give guys an opportunity. Okay, this is my

1164
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: first chance of being a kid coach. Hey, I'm gonna

1165
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: do your opportunity. And you've hired a lot of minorities

1166
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: and were criticize for it. Absolutely was my first staff.

1167
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: Of people are saying, who is this and where's our experience?

1168
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: We got all these but I made a conscious decision, Shannon.

1169
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to give some guys their first chance in

1170
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: the NFL. But the other thing I wanted I wanted teachers.

1171
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: So I talked to our college scouts when I first

1172
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: got to Tampa. I'm looking for some college coaches. Give

1173
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: me some great teachers. I didn't know Lovey Smith, I

1174
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: didn't know Rod Marinelli. I knew herm Edwards, I knew

1175
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: he was a teacher. I didn't know Mike Tomlin. But

1176
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: our scouts said, you're talking about people who put out

1177
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: polished professional players as college players. These guys can teach.

1178
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted. It's gonna be hard to have

1179
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: another season in which ERICI enemy is not a head

1180
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: coach when you look at the success that they're had

1181
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, and you look at the success that

1182
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: Mahomes is having in Kansas City, you look at an

1183
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: Eric B enemy, Leslie Frasier, some of these other guys

1184
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: that deserve an opportunity coach how And I understand it's

1185
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: hard to tell a man there's worth a man or

1186
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: a woman that's worth one, two, five, ten billion dollars

1187
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: who they should hire. But we're saying, at least give

1188
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: let something, let them into the room and have the conversation. Yeah.

1189
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: My frustration with some of these owners they really don't

1190
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: know what they want and so they have to have

1191
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: someone else tell them. And that someone else is the media,

1192
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: or it's the fans, or it's some popularity contests, or

1193
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: it's well, got this formula one, So I'll get that.

1194
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: I'll get this young twenty nine year old quarterback coach.

1195
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna win for us. And you say, now,

1196
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: don't do that. Figure out what you want, get a

1197
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: leader and let let that be who you go after.

1198
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: And you know what if you do that there are

1199
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 1: some African Americans who can do that, who can lead

1200
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: and and put offenses together, put defenses together. So just

1201
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: be yourself figured out, you know, and I get frustrated.

1202
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to see the same old thing because

1203
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: it hurts the NFL. I go back to this. There

1204
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: was a time when Warren Moon's skill set didn't fit

1205
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: the NFL. Tony dungey skill set as a quarterback didn't

1206
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: fit the NFL. If we would have stayed in that mentality,

1207
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson and Russell

1208
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: Wilson out and the NFL wouldn't be as good. So

1209
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: there's a time where you think, well, Eric B. Enemy,

1210
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: maybe maybe his skill set doesn't fit. No. You know,

1211
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: if we give Eric B. Enemy a chance, you might

1212
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: see something different that the NFL hasn't seen and it

1213
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: might just make us better. Because excuse me, Coach Dungeon.

1214
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: You remember when Mike Tomlin got the job at Pittsburgh.

1215
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: They thought this guy was following you hire. You hired.

1216
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: You had Ken with and Hunt, you had Bruce Arian,

1217
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: you had Dick la Ball. You got those guys on

1218
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: the staff, and you mean to tell me. You hired

1219
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: a guy his first job and he's what was coach

1220
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: Tomlin thirty four thirty four years old? Yeah, Dan Runny said,

1221
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: I know what I'm looking for and Mike Tomlin is

1222
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: it so case closed? But there's so many owners that

1223
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: don't have that they would have Wilton, Oh, yeah, you're right.

1224
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: I can't do that because the way some people are

1225
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: gonna reck. And Dad said, no, you know what, he's

1226
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: just like Bill Carl was when I hired him, and

1227
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: he's just like Chuck No was when I hired him,

1228
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: and all you all complained about that too, So so

1229
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: we're in good on good grounds. Well they should have

1230
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: known if you look at the Steelers history when they

1231
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: hired Chuck No they normally go outside, they don't normally

1232
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: stay within the staff. They went outside and got coach Kywer,

1233
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: so they were probably going to go outside and get

1234
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin. And you know what the other thing is

1235
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: saying and Dan's formula, he said, we're Pittsburgh, it's cold weather,

1236
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: we need defense, it's blue collar, we need to be physical,

1237
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: and I want a young guy. I want to hire

1238
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: a coach for twenty years. So that's my formula. Young defensive,

1239
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: good communicator. So yeah, Bruce Aarons can be tremendous and

1240
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: he's on my staff, but you know what, he doesn't

1241
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: fit my formula. Right, I'm gonna find what I'm looking for.

1242
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find my blueprint because he knew what he wanted.

1243
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. Most of these owners don't know

1244
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: what they want. The one thing about the Steelers not

1245
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: only do they know what they want, they're not swayed

1246
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: by media or fans. A lot of owners have swayed

1247
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: by the media, some columnists or what some journalists is

1248
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: going to write, or what the fans boom. We want this,

1249
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: we won't back. But the Rounis have been at this

1250
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: for a long time. There's a reason why they've only

1251
01:06:54,840 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: had three coaches since nineteen sixty nine. That's not an accident. Absolutely,

1252
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: it's the thought process and the way that we hire

1253
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: someone and we stick behind them. Chuck no was one

1254
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: in thirteen his first year. Dan Rooney said, you know what,

1255
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: we got the right guy. I saw how he responded

1256
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: under pressure. Don't worry about that. We've got the right guy.

1257
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: Bill Coward had a couple of down years. You know,

1258
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: we've got the right guy. You know what, I'm gonna

1259
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: give him a contract extension just to let you know

1260
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: he's the right guy. Yeah. Yeah, coaching, that's important. One

1261
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: of the things that help minorities, not only coaching, but

1262
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: front office and other position is the Rooney rule. Dan Rooney,

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01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: your farm of boss. Do you believe it's been a

1264
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: success and what could they do to give it even

1265
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: more teeth? It hasn't really been a success because they

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01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: haven't followed Dan's playing. Dan's plan was just that, Hey,

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Speaker 1: if I'm the owner, I have a blueprint of what

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01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: I want, and then once I get that blueprint, I

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01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: go out and look for those type of people, and

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Speaker 1: I may sure I hire a couple of minority I mean,

1271
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: I interview minority candidates that fit my blueprint. That's the

1272
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: spirit of the law. What they did was just follow

1273
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: the letter of the law. Hey, I might have somebody

1274
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: I want to get hire an offensive coach because I

1275
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: got to work with this young quarterback. But I'll interview

1276
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: Leslie Frasier defensive coordinator just to satisfy the rule. I

1277
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: don't really want that, but I satisfy the rule. Instead

1278
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: of saying, no, who's the best minority offensive mind out

1279
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 1: there because that's what I want. And so I think

1280
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: you can't change people's heart, you can't make them kind

1281
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: of follow the spirit of the rule. But if we

1282
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: could just get people to dial in on what they

1283
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 1: want and their blueprint and then look at the best candidates,

1284
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: I think we'd be much better off. Do you believe

1285
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: that we have enough minority on the offensive side of

1286
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: the bootball, because it seems that a lot of the

1287
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: up and coming and black the minorities all of the

1288
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football. Or do we have enough

1289
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: in that area? We do? I don't believe in that's

1290
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: pipeline is empty. Yes, that there's no coaches out there.

1291
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: There's some great coaches. Pep Hamilton is a great coach

1292
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: and should be a head coach. Pep Hamilton took that

1293
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: offense in Indianapolis when Andrew Luck was there and he

1294
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: was on his way to being Sean McVeigh. And then

1295
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck retires, gets hurt and retires. So now all

1296
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Pep Hamilton doesn't know any football. Well,

1297
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: that's ludicrous. But we have a lot of people like

1298
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: that in the pipeline on the offensive side that if

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01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: we gave them an opportunity, they would be fine. There's

1300
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: nothing Eric B enemy is in the pipeline. And Eric

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01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: B enemy has done everything that Matt Naggie did. He's

1302
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: done everything that uh Doug Peterson did. He's done everything

1303
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: that all of Andy Reids is Systance have done. Well,

1304
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now, yeah, because he doesn't call

1305
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: the plays. Well, wait a minute, Matt Megan didn't call

1306
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: the plays. He does not just didn't call him play.

1307
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: Frank Raig didn't call the plays. But they were good coaches,

1308
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,759
Speaker 1: they were smart coaches. Well, now, all of a sudden,

1309
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: Eric Viannamy doesn't call the play. Don't tell him. Don't

1310
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: tell me about the pipeline, coach. Look it for me.

1311
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: I think you are such a good person. Is that

1312
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 1: if something goes wrong, I feel like the NFL reaches

1313
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: out and you can co sign it and make it okay.

1314
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: And I've heard you say and turn the other cheek,

1315
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: and I think it has a lot to do because

1316
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: what you said your father instilled in you at a

1317
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: very young age. Okay, there was a problem, but okay,

1318
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: let's not talk about the problem. Listen, how are we

1319
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: gonna solve it? And how are we gonna make it better?

1320
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: Do you think that helps the problem? Helps the calls

1321
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: when you turned the other chief, because more time than not,

1322
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: people just keep treating you the same way. Well, you

1323
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: have to have people who want to get better and

1324
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: want to improve. And that's the thing I always did

1325
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: with my players. I didn't really believe in finding players. Hey,

1326
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: if we've got a problem here, I'm gonna tell you

1327
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: what's wrong, and if you want to play and be

1328
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: a great player, we're gonna do it this way. And

1329
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: most of the time players want to get better, so

1330
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: they would do it. But if you have a player

1331
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: that just says, okay, coach didn't find me, so I'm

1332
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing this, my only alternative at that point

1333
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: is to get rid of the player. You don't fit

1334
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 1: in our system. Right, Well, you've got to have these owners.

1335
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: You've got to have people who want to make the

1336
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 1: situation better. If they don't, you're right, no matter what

1337
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: you do, they're gonna keep doing the same thing. I

1338
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: think it came out, Coach that you're on the search

1339
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: committee with the Houston Texans along with a few others,

1340
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: and looking for a coach and a general manager. How

1341
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: does that profits and how do they go? Who reached

1342
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: to you? Because, like I said, coach, your your value,

1343
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: Your word carries weight. So when you put your name

1344
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: behind something, it means something. If somebody said, well Tony

1345
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: Dungeon says he's an okay guy, well Tony says, is okay?

1346
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: He okay? Yeah. I don't actually know how that happened.

1347
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: We're in the same division against Houston, had a lot

1348
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: of back and forth against them. Cal McNair reached out

1349
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: to me and said, and I'm not actually on the

1350
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: search committee. He just wants me to help them get

1351
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: a develop a philosophy of how they should search. That's

1352
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: what this conversation that we're having now, that's the same

1353
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: conversation I had with him. Mister McNair. You got to

1354
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: get a blueprint. You have to decide what you want,

1355
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: and then once you do, I can help you find

1356
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: some guys that fit that and then you figure out

1357
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: who's best for you. But I can't tell you or

1358
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: hire this guy, hire that guy. This guy is gonna

1359
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: be the best for it, because I don't know what

1360
01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: you want. Coach, you got the honor bestowed going into

1361
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. You have some players

1362
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: in there with you, Derek Brooks, Warren Sapp, Marvin Harrison,

1363
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,759
Speaker 1: Peyton comes in this year. There's a chance eddern James,

1364
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a few. What was the experience, like,

1365
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: what's going through your mind? You're like an undrafted guy

1366
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: that switched positions is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,

1367
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: the football Heaven. That's I mean, there is no high

1368
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: this this is football heaven. Of all twenty five thousand men,

1369
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: there's three hundred and fifty that have a have a

1370
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: gold jacket. It was so unbelievable and so unexpected. You know,

1371
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: as a little kids, you dreamed things. I dreamed about

1372
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: making it in the NFL. I dreamed about scoring and

1373
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: winning touchdown in the Super Bowl. Never dreamed about being

1374
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: about the Hall of Fame. No, you don't. And then,

1375
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 1: especially when you get traded a couple of times and cut,

1376
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: you don't think about it. As a young twenty five

1377
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: year old coach, I was hoping to be part of

1378
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: the league for a few years, and then you dream

1379
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,879
Speaker 1: about being a head coach. But never, in my wildest

1380
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: imagination dreamed of being in the NFL's Hall of Fame.

1381
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: So when it happened, it was just one of those

1382
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: things that I just thank the Lord coach. You, Uh,

1383
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: you get criticized because you know every time if you

1384
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: have an opinion and if it doesn't coincide with some

1385
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: other people's opinion, they say you're a hater. You had

1386
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: a rank and you said Brady was the sixth most

1387
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: difficult quarterback in NFL history to defend. Do you still

1388
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: agree with your ranking? And why do you say he

1389
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: was the sixth most difficult quarterback to defend? Well, first

1390
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: of all, I don't think you can rank across generations anyway, right,

1391
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: So I said, I'm not gonna do that, and I'm

1392
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: not gonna go by statistics or whatever. I'm gonna go

1393
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,799
Speaker 1: by who was toughest on me. So now I gotta start.

1394
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm never putting Tom Brady ahead of Peyton Manning. So

1395
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,759
Speaker 1: the best he can be is too my guy. Sometimes

1396
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,799
Speaker 1: he could ever get us too correct. I started thinking

1397
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: of Okay, who who gave me real problem? John Elway?

1398
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: You could do everything right, have the perfect defense. He's

1399
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna move around and make something happen and kill you.

1400
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: And he killed me enough to say he was difficult

1401
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: Steve Young was the same way those mobile quarterbacks. So

1402
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,959
Speaker 1: that's who I put ahead of Tom, Aaron Rodgers, John Elway,

1403
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: Steve Young, guys guys who could move. Not to say

1404
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: Tom wasn't great, he is great, but that extra dimension

1405
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: meant something to me. So that's that's why I would

1406
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: only put him at six, just my opinion. Now, we

1407
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: look at and you've mentioned the evolution of the mobile quarterback,

1408
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 1: not only looks these quarterbacks when we say mobile, coach,

1409
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: they're not looking to run the football, they're looking to

1410
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: steal throw the football, and they can throw it on

1411
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: the move. They could throw it wrong foot, they could

1412
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: throw it rolling left, they can throw it rolling right.

1413
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: You look at Deshaun wat you look at Patrick Mahomes,

1414
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: you look at Aaron Rodgers, you look at Russell Wilson.

1415
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: I just saw Josh Allen last night and he's playing unbelievable.

1416
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: When you look at these quarterbacks, what's been the biggest transformation.

1417
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: Why are these quarterbacks coming in and being able to

1418
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: play so well so early? I think as coach is

1419
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: adapting rather than taking that rookie quarterback and saying, you

1420
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: got to learn all this stuff and you gotta learn

1421
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: how to be a pocket pass and you've got to

1422
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: learn this and learn that. They're saying, no, let me

1423
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: take what this young man does and build on it.

1424
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: So I've got the RPOs in, I've got bootlegs in

1425
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,879
Speaker 1: for them and that stuff that you never saw before.

1426
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: And so now it's Russell, Wilson and DeShawn creating. And

1427
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: instead of the coach saying no, no, no, don't do that,

1428
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: the coach is saying, you know what, this helps us,

1429
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: and we'll put scrambled drills in. And when Russell does this,

1430
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: receivers you do that, we'll put bootlegs in. Josh Allen,

1431
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna let you go. And I think coaches have

1432
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 1: come out of their shell and they've let these guys

1433
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: be who they are. Coach, are you surprised packing is

1434
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: this good? I mean, I thought I saw him throw.

1435
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: I saw him throw for over seven hundred yards against Oklahoma,

1436
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: but everybody throws for a bunch of yards in the

1437
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: Big twelve? Are you surprised he's he's on the c

1438
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: He has a chance to be all time generational, transcendent great,

1439
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: not just good. He can be great great, great? Yeah

1440
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: I am, And what amazes me about him is that

1441
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,560
Speaker 1: twenty five years old, his UH concept in his processing

1442
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: information and his control of the game. Very few mistakes,

1443
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: very few interceptions, very few bad checks. So add the

1444
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: great arm skills and all of that, but the mental

1445
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: capacity that he has at twenty five that has amazed me.

1446
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: And you look at the weapon and for Andy, and

1447
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: look you think about it. They went to the playoff,

1448
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: they won the division, They went to the playoffs, if

1449
01:17:54,560 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, and he moves up seventeen spots to

1450
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: take Patrick Mahomes when he had a quarterback that went

1451
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. But I think Andy envision in order

1452
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: I got Tyreek, I guy that can take the top off.

1453
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 1: We've never seen anything like this, Fiz Bob Hayes. I

1454
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: got a guy in Travis Kelsey. In order for me

1455
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: to maximize that, I need a guy that can throw

1456
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: the ball over the top. Yep, yep. They saw something special.

1457
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 1: I don't know why they saw it and everybody else didn't,

1458
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: but they saw something special in Patrick Mahomes and to

1459
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: put him in the lineup to make that switch from

1460
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: a playoff quarterback that takes a lot of guts, and

1461
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: they did it, and they knew they were going to

1462
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,560
Speaker 1: the next level, and then to put stuff in for

1463
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: him fifty five yard corner routes and know things that

1464
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: we haven't seen before you get you People would think

1465
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: you're crazy for actually just putting that play in right, No,

1466
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: Patrick can do it. We're gonna take advantage of what

1467
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: he can do. I think it's been amazing coach. If

1468
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: you don't tweet often, but when you tweet, your tweets

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01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: get a lot of because they're like, if if this

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Speaker 1: really coach, do your tweeting? You tweeted Manning played against

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01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: Brady five times in the playoffs. Manning won three, Brady

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Speaker 1: one two. Is that your definition of Patriots owning? Why

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01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: do you tweet that? Someone? I forget what I think

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01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: it was in response to my ranking and one of

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01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots fans tweeted out, we own Peyton Manning in

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01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, And I'm saying, what about facts? Now,

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Speaker 1: that's a great opinion to have, but let's let's look

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01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: at some facts. I don't think you own Manning in

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01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I just wanted to make that point. Are

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Speaker 1: you surprised that coach Belichick and Brady split up after

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01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: twenty years, I am, but Rodney Harrison told me he

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01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: thought it would happened. He really did that. There's just

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01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: going to come a time to me that it was

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01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: such a spect I didn't want to see it happen.

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01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 1: Those guys were so special together. You want to see

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01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: can they win seven? Can they and eight? Maybe they

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01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: can win ten together. Tom wants to keep playing, but

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01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 1: I guess you know, time changes things and everything can't

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01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: remain the way it was. But there was something inside

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01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: of me that was a little sad when when that

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01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: split happened. I'm not surprised because anytime you see two

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01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 1: guys and they're battling for credit, something's gonna have to give.

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Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, we can't have

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01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: fifty fifty. It's got to be somebody has to get either.

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01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,640
Speaker 1: If it's not only if it's only one percent, if

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01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: it's fifty one forty nine, somebody needs more credit. Do

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01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: you believe they can win super Bowls apart from each other?

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01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: A Super Bowl apart, because it seems to me that's

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01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: what they hell been on doing. Coach. I think they can,

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01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be much more difficult than it would

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01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: have been together. And we'll see what happens. It may

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01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: never happen because Super Bowls are tough to win, and

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01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: for those guys to win six, that was an unbelievable accomplishment.

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01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: If I was a betting man, I would say that

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01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: neither one of them probably will Andrew. You mentioned Andrew

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01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: Luck earlier. He retired. He took a beating, a lot

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01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: of punishment. Are you surprised he retired at such a

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01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 1: young age and do you think he'll ever come back.

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01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: I do not think he will come back. I was

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01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: definitely surprised. I was actually there that they had an

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01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 1: alumni day. I was there the day before he announced

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01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: his retirement. I was talking to him and he's talking

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01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: about what he's gonna do, and he's doing exercises with

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01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,879
Speaker 1: the trainers, training on his own. I was totally shocked

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01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: when it happened. But he's the type of guy who

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01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go out there at ninety five percent.

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01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,799
Speaker 1: He didn't want to go out there at ninety percent,

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01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: even though his ninety could have been better than most quarterbacks. Yes,

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01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: I think he had a very high standard. I'm so

1520
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: banged up. I can't play that standard. It's time to

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01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: step down. But I was shocked, but I do not

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01:21:53,439 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 1: think he'll be back MVP Rogers of Mahomes Pat Drick Mahomes.

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01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: When you watch what he's doing with that off Rogers

1524
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: has been great, but Patrick Mahomes has taken that to

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01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: another level. And you look at that defense. You have

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01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 1: to score a lot of points in city and he's

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01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: doing it. Their defense is not very good. Their defense

1528
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: is reverted back to twenty eighteen. Now they get some

1529
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,839
Speaker 1: they get now they steal an extra possession, so Mahomes

1530
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: can capitalize. But if you just watch that defense, and

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01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: that's what teams do, what they try to do. And

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01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 1: I watch what teams are doing. They're taking the play

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01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: clock down and they're trying to keep They're trying to

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01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: limit Mahomes opportunities and make it look let's just get

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01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: to the fourth quarters. Let's not let them run away

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01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: with it, and let's see what happens. They've lost one

1537
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: game in the last year and a half to the

1538
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: Oakland Raid or Las Vegas Raiders forty to thirty two.

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01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 1: So that tells me you got to score forty points

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01:22:54,120 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: to beat Patrick Mahomes slightly two yes, yes, yes, So

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01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 1: if that's the pressure that he's putting on people that

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01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: you've got to score forty to win. To me, that's

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01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: the most valuable player. And the start of the season,

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01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: who did you pick to go to the Super Bowl

1545
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: and who do you have going now? I picked San

1546
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 1: Francisco because I thought they would come back with some

1547
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: vengeance after that loss, and in the AFC, I didn't

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01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: know who was going to get there. I never picked

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01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: the defending champs because I think it's too hard to

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01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: go back. So now I am thinking Kansas City. I

1551
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be tough to deal with, and I

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01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 1: think New Orleans is playing the most complete ball on

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01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 1: the other side, and they get Drew Brees back, they're

1554
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: gonna be tough to deal with. Well, coach, that's who

1555
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: I picked at the beginning of the season in New Orleans.

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01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: I should have called you an ass because I just felt.

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01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: I just felt that New Orleans was going to play

1558
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: because I believe this is Drew brees last season, and

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01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 1: I believe he came back for this opportunity. He says,

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01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: you know what, I have unfinished business. And if you

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01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: look at the way now, offensively they're okay, but their defense,

1562
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: they have their defense is getting after people. Now. It's

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01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see if Drew Brees does it,

1564
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: how soon Drew gets back. Because if I'm a team, look,

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01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: if you only score seventeen points, they can beat you

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01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,600
Speaker 1: with Tystom Hill. You gotta make her a shootout. You

1567
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: gotta make Taystom Hill beat you throwing the football. And

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01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: if you can't do that, I don't believe you can

1569
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: beat the Saints. And even if Pittsburgh was lever than O,

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01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,879
Speaker 1: I wasn't sold on Pittsburgh because they're two one dimensional.

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01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: They can't run the football. Yeah, they're winning a lot

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01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: of as you say, seventeen fourteen, twenty one seventeen. When

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01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: you play Kansas City, you're not gonna win a twenty

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01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: one seventeen yea, So you better be able to put

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01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 1: up some points. Coach. I really appreciate you taking time today.

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01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: I know you busically. I appreciate you taking time. Is

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01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: there anything you want to plug? You got a book?

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01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: You gotta charity? No, I'm all good. I appreciate it.

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01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: But it's been a great being with you. Good good

1580
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: being with you. Coach. You know, I don't get an

1581
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to you much. I remember when I

1582
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: had the UH I was on serious sound like radio

1583
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: used to come on every every every Monday for like

1584
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: three years. Fun, it was fun. Yeah, I missed those times, Oh,

1585
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 1: bas coach, I really appreciate it. All my life and

1586
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: grinding all my life sacrifice custle back price, one slice

1587
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 1: got the broller dice to swad all my life. I've

1588
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: been grinding all my life, all my life, the grinding

1589
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: all my life, sacrifice, custle back price, one slice got

1590
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 1: the broll dice to swad all my life. I've been

1591
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,719
Speaker 1: grinding all my life.