WEBVTT - Drive Time: Charles Davis Breaks Down Dolphins Offseason, Jahdae Barron Prospect Profile 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.600 What is up Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.720 I am your host, Travis Wingfield and on today's show, 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.040 the Great Charles Davis joins us to talk all things 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.800 Dolphins off season, how to watch film, we'll talk about 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.880 that as well as the upcoming draft for your Miami Dolphins. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.400 Plus we're breaking down another player on the draft or 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.600 i should say the options for thirteen deep dive profiles. 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.239 That's Jday Baron out of Texas from the Baptist Hill 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:35.680 Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:36.559 This is. 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:40.280 The Draft Time Podcast. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:41.640 Ye Daffy. 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.680 And joining us here today on Dolphins HQ, and the 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.360 Draft Time Podcast is NFL Networks. Charles Davis and CD. 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.200 We do this about once a year, give or take. 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.720 It's one of my favorite interviews of the entire year. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:56.560 Good to see you again, man, How you doing. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.560 I'm doing great? Drafts is always great to see you 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.680 and I'm always appreciative that you would welcome me into 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.120 the Dolphins family for a short time each and every 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.440 year because I'm just a guy, right, I'm just a 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.679 person who likes ball and we're all in it together. 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.720 I don't know if I've got anything really to offer, 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.200 but you're always gracious, You're always kind, and it's always 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.240 fun to have a chat with you. It's good back 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:19.600 and forth. I get to learn a lot. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:19.960 Well. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.160 You certainly offer plenty, and we learn a lot from you. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:23.880 That's why we have you on every single year, and 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:25.880 I always get a kick out of seeing you around 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:27.880 here at training camp. Once in a while, we see 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.400 you on the coverage of the draft. You know, I 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.120 was telling one of the other producers here, one of 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.639 my favorite things about the draft coverage is the stump 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.119 the truck and you, my friend, are the best at 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:41.319 that game. I'm curious to explain to the fans maybe 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.199 what that is and why it's so much. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:44.120 Fun for you guys to have that. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.840 I think it's like a deep Day three part of 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.520 the show, right, it really. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.800 Is, Travis. You you absolutely nailed it. It's a deep 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.200 Day three. We are in rounds probably six and seven 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.280 at that point. And it's not that those young people 0:01:56.360 --> 0:02:00.200 getting selected is not important, but you're not going pick 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.520 to pick to pick to pick to pick, right. So 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.600 the people who work on our show and prepare for 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.200 the draft, they have to have this deep database of 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:14.280 potential draftees, you know, and our truck I think gets 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.280 around one thousand somewhere in that neighborhood of people that 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.440 they have where they went to school, when they played 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:25.160 and as you understand Travis, I mean, every team has 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.160 people on it. Did they go? Where did he play 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.800 college football? Right? How did he get here? We have 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.720 people who wear gold jackets as Hall of Fame members 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.400 that were never drafted into the NFL. They may have 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.760 come from an obscure school. So we do this thing 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.480 called stunk the truck where people get to I guess nowadays, right, 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.360 you just you know, you tweet it in or blue 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:50.200 sky it in or whatever it is, and and you know, hey, 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.640 do you have such and such such and such player 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.800 from such such such such school? Okay, and them telling 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:01.000 you they can be the most obscure schools. But somebody 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.640 at home's like, this guy's a player, do you have him? 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.680 But what we do ourselves that we have people do 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.560 the questions and then we do it ourselves because we've 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.880 done our research and we've done our stuff, and we'll 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:17.960 ask the truck do you have Travis Wingfield from you know, 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:23.040 Saint Albans Prep, A D three and wherever wherever are, 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.000 you know, that sort of a thing, and they go 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:29.040 through their database and more times than not fit and 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.120 not only do they have the player, there's a highlight 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.880 of the player. Yeah, and that's just always a lot 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.280 of fun because we get to illuminate some places and 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.920 you know, like we got this young man this year 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.360 that's not going to make stump the truck is too easy. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:47.080 But the tank who plays offensive line, it's out of Middlebury, 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.440 Like what Middlebury College? A D three guy? Well, of 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.120 course we had Ali Marpett come out of Hobart a 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.840 few years ago became a Pro Bowl player. Maybe we'll 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.880 have the same thing, you know, Thomas Perry, I believe 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:00.920 the young man's name. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.200 Yeah, it happens every I mean Quinn Minor. It's right, 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.119 all pro from a Wisconsin whitewater. Like it happens every 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.240 single year. It's so good and I love seeing the 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.160 way you guys get all fired up because like you 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.000 can almost tell, like that third day of draft coverage 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:15.360 for everybody across the league, the fatigue starts to set in, 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.240 but that kind of gets you that final push there 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.320 over the hump to finish the day and finish the 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.760 draft process. Let's go ahead and get into the football 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.880 stuff here, Charles and I want to I have two 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:25.880 leadoff questions that I wrote down. I'll go ahead and 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.159 start with this one first, and it's it's not Dolphins 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.400 related yet. We'll get there eventually, I promise. But I 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.200 have a question about just watching tape because this is 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.920 something that I struggle with as something of a I 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.320 guess i'll call myself a tape dog myself as well. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.240 And maybe this is twofold, but we see all kinds 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.560 of players have pretty big swings in terms of their 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.240 performance from year to year. It's why this league is 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.279 just so tough to predict every single season. You know, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.279 guys can struggle then become all pros or vice versa. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.440 My question is when you have a collection of tape, 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.919 and this you know applies for multi year stars in 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.880 college too, But how do you weigh like the impressive 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.479 nature of the good tape maybe for one year was 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.920 really good, maybe another year was kind of a down year. 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.120 Like how do you balance the good reps versus the 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.760 bad reps, whether it's a college prospect a pro from 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.000 year to year. Like that's a roadblock I have in 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.320 my own film study. I'm curious to get an expert's 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.040 opinion on that, Travis. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.840 Is a great question, and I think you hit on 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.080 something that I would dare say the vast majority of 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:27.559 us ponder and wonder ourselves. You and I can't speak 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.360 for anyone else in this business and how they watch tape, right, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:34.400 we don't know that, but my suspicion is, having watched 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.560 it for a long time, you've done the same thing 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.800 when you talk with other people, I'm guessing you're not 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.200 the only one to see kind of asking this question. 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.120 And when I've gotten and I don't know if I'm 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.520 going to call it a consensus, but people I really 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.360 respect who are great at doing this Scout, GMS, right assistant, 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:56.640 gas personnel, people, coaches, all that. There's an expression that 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.640 I've learned in the last few years called grading the 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.960 flat and the flashes, meaning the really good plays that 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.760 you were talking about, right, the really good stretches that 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:10.200 you saw on tape. CJ. Stroud. I'm going to use 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:14.120 an example. Quarterback at Ohio State before he went to 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.239 the Houston texts a member of him and Bryce Young 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.360 his year, Right, who do you like? Who do you like? 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.760 Who do you like, there was all that discussion about CJ. Stroud. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.960 We didn't see him run the ball ahead of a lot, right, didn' 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.360 see him break out of the pocket and run it 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.200 was there consistency in certain things he did, et cetera, 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.839 et cetera. And then, as you know, Dravis, then we 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.960 had the Georgia game in the College Football Playoff and CJ. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:41.200 Stroud was incredible that night, right, And that became kind 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.120 of the mantra around the league for people who were 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.360 thinking about, Okay, can I move up and get him? 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:50.040 Do I want him whatever? We've seen him do it. Now, 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.839 if it's on tape and you've seen him do it, 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.800 that means he can do it again. And now you 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.400 have to go into your organization. You're head coach, who's 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.679 going to coim what kind of training you're going to provide, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.279 what's your environment? So, as you know, Travis, sometimes we 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.120 have if I take it out of CJ. Strod and 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.760 I go to a person who we saw have great 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.720 promise and fell off, can we get back to that 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.200 great promise? Do I have an organization and a coach 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.760 that I think can get there? And I'll give you 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:26.800 a quick example, Derek Stingley junior. Derek Stingley, remember he 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.040 was the consensus guy from his freshman year at LSU, 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.160 but he had injuries, didn't play as much last couple 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:38.040 of years in school, and then came Sauce gardener. So 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.120 now we got a whole different conversation because Sauce was 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.880 really consistent and kept getting better at Cincinnati. Who do 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.040 you like better? Well, if you grated the Flashes, it's 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.880 hard to get stinkly out of your head. But if 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.040 you're watching the last two years in school, Sauce was 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.960 clearly the one who was ascending and playing well. You 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.400 remember how the draft rolled out. By the time we 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.040 got to the draft, Travis Sauce was ahead on most 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:07.080 people's scorecards, but Derek Stingley got picked before Sauce, one 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:11.679 pick before Sauce because Houston had graded the Flashes felt 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.360 they had the right people there, and Sauce started out 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.440 the first two years was an all Pro as you 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.240 remember rookie. The whole thing Derek Stingley had injury issues, 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:27.360 wasn't as consistent. Starting twenty twenty three, Derek Stalely came 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.680 off of an injury and has played at a level 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.280 and kept descending where he was an All Pro last year, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.959 Sauce's team wasn't as good was you know, things weren't 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.560 quite as great for him. He's still a great player 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.600 and going to be again. But now Stingley's good hit 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.960 the All Pro status that Sauce has hit prior. So 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.800 it's all a matter of you know, what do you 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.920 believe you can get If you've seen it before, you 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:53.920 feel like you can get it again? And do we 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:55.560 have the people to bring it out of them? And 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.280 is it in that young man to bring it out 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.840 of himself again? So that's where that homework comes in. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.320 And Travis, we all do so much homework, right We 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.560 all work at it, and no one works at it 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.160 more than the coaches, the scouts, the people thirty two 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:14.440 NFL teams and they're lucky if they hit fifty. And 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.720 they work at it like man, it is a very 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.599 tough thing to do. And sometimes I keep having to 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.040 remind myself and I want to call our brethren sometime 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.160 and say, hey, you do know just how tough this is? Right, 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:32.000 Like we get on these people like mad, how'd you 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.680 miss here? Cause you and I both know using Sauce 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.880 in Derek Stingley. You know the Houston people call you 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.600 know what during sauces first two years. Yes, absolutely right, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:43.960 I think has worked out pretty well. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:44.720 Yeah. 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.440 I love that comparison because it reminds me of a 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.440 different player that we'll talk about. Come back and maybe 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.079 put a pin in that, because I do want to 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.320 get back to Malachi Starks, who I feel kind of 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.160 got that like good tape fatigue where it's like he 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:57.600 was such a good player that we kind of forgot 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.959 about him and maybe the draft consents around him became 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.280 a little bit, you know, pulled down because of that. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.040 But let's come back to that, CD, because I want 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:06.400 to go back to the Dolphins here and get into 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.120 the official Dolphins draft conversation here and kick it off 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.360 with talking about free agency and how that might impact 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.320 their draft thinking. Because we saw them sign a big 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.240 body wide receiver, which I think a lot of fans 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.640 thought was a big need, and Nick Westbrook Akine a 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.160 great blocking titand and Pharaoh Brown, a couple of offensive linemen, 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.040 including one of the better guards in the game of 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.239 my opinion, in James Daniels, A couple of safeties and linebackers. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.920 How do you think CD the Dolphins free agency, I 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.439 guess a mode of attack. How did the way they 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.960 filled out some needs and impact their potential Draft night 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:39.600 when it comes to pick thirteen and beyond. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.400 Yeah, I think they did a nice job. I really do. 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.840 In players, you were mentioning the needs, the fit was there. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.240 Chris Career and his staff and crew, I think did 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.720 a really good job getting people who can do all 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.280 of those things. The interesting part is in free agency, 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.560 as you know Travis, for the most part, you fell needs, 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.240 but that doesn't necessarily mean that the need is done. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.080 All right, So James Daniels comes in, but he's coming 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.440 off of injury, right, and you're gonna plug him in 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.000 and say he's going to be probably a starting right 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.800 guard I would guess, right, Liam Ikenberg at left guard. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.480 So you have that. But at the same time, does 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.440 that mean that you're done. I don't think so, because 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.440 I think you're gonna get into other rounds because I 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.880 just don't see them going guard at thirteen. But later rounds, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.440 who do you go and get and trying four to 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.520 five and bring people in and maybe you find your 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.079 starter for the future there. Those are the type of 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.240 things you're doing. Pharaoh Brown. Terrific blocking tight end, But 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:41.000 what is the quarterback's best friend ever receiving tight end, 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.720 somebody who's working the middle of the field, always in 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.840 the sight lines. Easy throws, easy completions, Boom boom boom boom, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.640 sticks move. Okay, are we done? I don't think so. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.360 There's a possibility of going out and getting and this 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.480 is a pretty good tight end group that's coming out, 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.080 So I don't think you're done on things of that nature. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.480 Nick Westbrook, I saw him in Tennessee. I've been doing 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.920 their preseason package for a number of years now, and boy, 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.760 he is he produced. Every time they've asked, he has produced. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.640 Is he ever gonna be a one? No? Is he 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:11.800 ever gonna be a two? Probably not, But he's a 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.160 terrific three, four, whatever you want, and he makes clutch 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.920 catches at clutch times. Travis, you remember, before he got 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.120 hurt at Indiana, we were saying this is a second 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:26.240 round receiver all day long, and probably maybe our aspirations 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:27.920 for him are a little bit higher. But the knee 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.960 injury of the opening game begins Ohio State and it 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.000 wasn't the same for a long time for him. I 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:34.880 don't know if he ever got the same burst and 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.600 everything that came from it. But he's a legit really 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.760 good pro, really good player. But does that wipe out 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.679 you what you're going to do a wide receiver. No, 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.160 that's my point, Like just about every team when you 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.800 go into free agency, it's rare that you get into 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.840 free agency and get the guy that you want and 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.440 now we don't have to worry about that spot anymore. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.959 Most times you get him, but you're still building, still 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.600 thinking if I get someone else, you. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.000 Going yet, Just to use another example, like you're Stingley 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.240 and Sauce Gardner take it kind of reminds me of 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.560 like the Matt Flynn Russell Wilson decision in Seattle. Right, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.120 you get the free agent quarterback, you go draft the guy, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:12.960 and he winds up beating out the free agent in 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.559 training camp. So we've seen Chris Greer mention this a 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.400 few times. I think that they've they've shown you by 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.680 what their actions are that typically if they like a player, 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.560 you know, it doesn't matter the position, they'll go with 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.280 that player. And they do like to take their high 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.480 premium spots, which has put them in a position to 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.640 kind of be able to go shop for those specific needs. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.600 And with that in mind, I'm so fascinated by this 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.240 thirteenth PIXID because you mentioned the tight end class. I 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.680 think Tyler Warren makes a bunch of sense in that spot. 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.640 We've seen the defensive tackle group maybe hasn't quite rounded 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.760 into form just yet, and there's some guys that could 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.920 be on the board at that spot. I mentioned Malachi 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.320 Starks earlier. Jaday Baron's a guy that I think would 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.480 would really fit in here nicely when you take a 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.000 look at all those guys and kind of how I 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.880 guess what might be there thinking about how picks ten 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.520 through twelve could go, what do you think the most 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.200 value might be for the Dolphins, whether it's a defensive tackle, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.400 whether it's you know, a captain of the back of 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.640 the defense and Malachi Starks, whether it's a Tyler like 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.679 who do you think it could be a possible fit 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.760 there pick thirteen Beyond the guys we talked about. 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.319 Well, I think I think for what we're talking about, 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.320 the safety I think is there and that would be 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.720 the swing when you like, we just started baseball season, 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.120 right it officially began yesterday and now we have the 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.320 series in Japan with the Giant and I mean the 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.520 Cubs and the Yankees, right, No, it's gonna be Cubs 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:37.320 and Dodge. Yeah, right, we have that, but officially when 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:41.240 it's all Capitals opening day, right, when we've done this. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.520 That was on Thursday of the last week in March. 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:49.360 So this is a big swing. You go safety at thirteen. Right. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.080 I'm with you because you keep mentioning Malachi Starks. So 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.680 I've already figured out without having a conversation that you 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.160 and I are sitting in the same spot that Malachi 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.720 Starks is being over looked because Nick m and Worry 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.160 had one of the most monster combines, plus a very 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.080 good career in South Carolina, plus a body type that 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.840 we're all just like, oh my god, this monster. I 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.880 said it during the combine. I'm old enough to remember 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.240 when all safeties kind of look like Nick m and Wary. Okay, 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.000 I'm talking David Fulter in Cincinnati. I'm talking Steve Atwater 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.360 in Denver. I'm talking Ronnie a Lot when he swung 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.920 back to safety in San Francisco, Tim McDonald and Arizona 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.000 in San Francisco. They were master dons that ruled the earth. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.240 Like if you ran into Steve atwater now And I 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.560 don't know. If you have Travis, you would swear he 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.480 was an edge rusher when he played in the NFL. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.000 He a monster. And I'm not saying and this isn't 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.440 because Steve's older and out of shape. You just go, 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.840 oh my god, that was a safety. So that's what 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.640 m and worry kind is kind of back to the 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.880 future for me. And I will say this, and I 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:53.760 know Steve and those guys get mad at me, But 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.560 Edmond Warry runs better than all of them. Okay, he's 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.680 a better athlete. We've evolved it that way. Is he 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.160 a better player? That means to be seen. But I'm 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.440 with you on Malchi Starks. I think that we got 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.080 to the point where we took for granted excellent play 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.320 that we were getting. We took for granted a guy 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.160 who's in the right place at the right time. We 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.080 took for granted guy who could make plays on the 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.400 football and knock down your ball carriers and your receivers 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.680 after they catch the ball. I'm a Starks guy. Okay, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.360 it doesn't mean I don't like emin Warwick. I like 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.680 Starks a little bit better. You take him at thirteen. Well, 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.080 wasn't there a guy named Javon Holland that you had 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:31.120 is no longer there? 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:34.400 Right? 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.720 You can play yeah, and is a plug and play. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.400 And off you go. Let's go to the corner position 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:45.440 because you mentioned today Baron wonderful player, love him. Will 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.120 Johnson might still be available coming out of Michigan that time. Okay, 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.240 Benjamin Morrison from from Notre Dames a really good corner 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.040 as well. That'll be interested to see where Chris Greer 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.040 and his group if they have, what grades they have, 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.400 and where they might want to go with something like that. Right, 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.560 I'm gonna tell you defensive line you mentioned, how is 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.960 it going to kind of come off the board? I'm 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.879 really interested in that one as well. Because Mason Graham, 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.160 we've kind of locked in for the longest time from 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.639 Michigan is almost a top five certainty. I don't know 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.560 if we're right. I really don't know if we're right 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.440 on that. It has nothing to do with Mason Graham 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.600 and whether or not he's a good ballplayer. I just 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.840 wonder if the board's gonna fall differently now where Mason 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.800 Graham doesn't get top five. Now the question is is 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.040 it top ten, because once people start plucking certain guys, 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.000 maybe other people jump up ahead where other teams come 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:45.040 up and get them. And does a Mason Graham go down. Look, 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.400 if he went at thirteen, people might go, oh my god, 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.719 he's slid And I don't know if it's as much 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.720 of a slide as people think. But he'd be really 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:59.320 good there, wouldn't he at thirteen? But Derek Harmon from Oregon, 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:04.399 Kenneth Mason Graham's running mate there, Okay, Walter Nolan is 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.200 a polarizing figure because remember we talk about grating flashes 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.359 right and flashes there. So those are the types of 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.480 things you're getting into. I'm just talking about first round. 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:16.600 We can get into other guys later if we want to, 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.320 just the first round guys like that. That's kind of 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.600 where I'm going with it. But you get back to 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.119 that tight end. If Tyler Warren or Colston Loveland is 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.440 sitting there at thirteen, I don't know that Chris Greer 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.800 hesitates a heck of a lot. I think, you know, 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.240 Mike McDaniel might be like, get it, get it. 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.199 Get it, Yeah, let's take it eligible why not? 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.640 You know? And who can blame him? Absolutely? The things 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.280 we do with tight ends in the NFL nowadays and 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.480 what we're what they allow us to do offensively. And 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.600 how about some of the people whose careers have been 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:55.760 revived John new Smith last season. If anyone saw that coming, 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.960 please let me know, because I want to hang out 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.359 with you from now on and I want to I 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.560 want to soak it all in because I knew John 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.679 knew in Tennessee. I thought his best had been had 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.640 been established, like we weren't going to get back to 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.600 that potential, and it did so in the right place 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.399 the right time to rite it. Boom, this can happen. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.160 But Warren and Loveland are pretty good, to put it mildly, 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:20.600 but the rest of that tight end class is really 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:21.320 good as well. 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.119 I love the dichotomy of it and the way you 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.639 again going back to the sauce and steingly debate. It 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.520 kind of sets the whole theme for this episode up, 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.720 because I feel like a lot of these guys were 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.280 talking about have that where it's like Starks is the 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.040 is the proven you know, three year tape guy, and 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.320 Eman worries the kind of flash you know, grade the 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.119 flashes with a big workout. You talk about Warren and 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.679