Speaker 1: What is up Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Travis Wingfield and on today's show,
Speaker 1: the Great Charles Davis joins us to talk all things
Speaker 1: Dolphins off season, how to watch film, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that as well as the upcoming draft for your Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Plus we're breaking down another player on the draft or
Speaker 1: i should say the options for thirteen deep dive profiles.
Speaker 1: That's Jday Baron out of Texas from the Baptist Hill
Speaker 1: Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 3: The Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 2: Ye Daffy.
Speaker 1: And joining us here today on Dolphins HQ, and the
Speaker 1: Draft Time Podcast is NFL Networks. Charles Davis and CD.
Speaker 1: We do this about once a year, give or take.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite interviews of the entire year.
Speaker 1: Good to see you again, man, How you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Drafts is always great to see you
Speaker 2: and I'm always appreciative that you would welcome me into
Speaker 2: the Dolphins family for a short time each and every
Speaker 2: year because I'm just a guy, right, I'm just a
Speaker 2: person who likes ball and we're all in it together.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've got anything really to offer,
Speaker 2: but you're always gracious, You're always kind, and it's always
Speaker 2: fun to have a chat with you. It's good back
Speaker 2: and forth. I get to learn a lot.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: You certainly offer plenty, and we learn a lot from you.
Speaker 1: That's why we have you on every single year, and
Speaker 1: I always get a kick out of seeing you around
Speaker 1: here at training camp. Once in a while, we see
Speaker 1: you on the coverage of the draft. You know, I
Speaker 1: was telling one of the other producers here, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things about the draft coverage is the stump
Speaker 1: the truck and you, my friend, are the best at
Speaker 1: that game. I'm curious to explain to the fans maybe
Speaker 1: what that is and why it's so much.
Speaker 3: Fun for you guys to have that.
Speaker 1: I think it's like a deep Day three part of
Speaker 1: the show, right, it really.
Speaker 2: Is, Travis. You you absolutely nailed it. It's a deep
Speaker 2: Day three. We are in rounds probably six and seven
Speaker 2: at that point. And it's not that those young people
Speaker 2: getting selected is not important, but you're not going pick
Speaker 2: to pick to pick to pick to pick, right. So
Speaker 2: the people who work on our show and prepare for
Speaker 2: the draft, they have to have this deep database of
Speaker 2: potential draftees, you know, and our truck I think gets
Speaker 2: around one thousand somewhere in that neighborhood of people that
Speaker 2: they have where they went to school, when they played
Speaker 2: and as you understand Travis, I mean, every team has
Speaker 2: people on it. Did they go? Where did he play
Speaker 2: college football? Right? How did he get here? We have
Speaker 2: people who wear gold jackets as Hall of Fame members
Speaker 2: that were never drafted into the NFL. They may have
Speaker 2: come from an obscure school. So we do this thing
Speaker 2: called stunk the truck where people get to I guess nowadays, right,
Speaker 2: you just you know, you tweet it in or blue
Speaker 2: sky it in or whatever it is, and and you know, hey,
Speaker 2: do you have such and such such and such player
Speaker 2: from such such such such school? Okay, and them telling
Speaker 2: you they can be the most obscure schools. But somebody
Speaker 2: at home's like, this guy's a player, do you have him?
Speaker 2: But what we do ourselves that we have people do
Speaker 2: the questions and then we do it ourselves because we've
Speaker 2: done our research and we've done our stuff, and we'll
Speaker 2: ask the truck do you have Travis Wingfield from you know,
Speaker 2: Saint Albans Prep, A D three and wherever wherever are,
Speaker 2: you know, that sort of a thing, and they go
Speaker 2: through their database and more times than not fit and
Speaker 2: not only do they have the player, there's a highlight
Speaker 2: of the player. Yeah, and that's just always a lot
Speaker 2: of fun because we get to illuminate some places and
Speaker 2: you know, like we got this young man this year
Speaker 2: that's not going to make stump the truck is too easy.
Speaker 2: But the tank who plays offensive line, it's out of Middlebury,
Speaker 2: Like what Middlebury College? A D three guy? Well, of
Speaker 2: course we had Ali Marpett come out of Hobart a
Speaker 2: few years ago became a Pro Bowl player. Maybe we'll
Speaker 2: have the same thing, you know, Thomas Perry, I believe
Speaker 2: the young man's name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens every I mean Quinn Minor. It's right,
Speaker 1: all pro from a Wisconsin whitewater. Like it happens every
Speaker 1: single year. It's so good and I love seeing the
Speaker 1: way you guys get all fired up because like you
Speaker 1: can almost tell, like that third day of draft coverage
Speaker 1: for everybody across the league, the fatigue starts to set in,
Speaker 1: but that kind of gets you that final push there
Speaker 1: over the hump to finish the day and finish the
Speaker 1: draft process. Let's go ahead and get into the football
Speaker 1: stuff here, Charles and I want to I have two
Speaker 1: leadoff questions that I wrote down. I'll go ahead and
Speaker 1: start with this one first, and it's it's not Dolphins
Speaker 1: related yet. We'll get there eventually, I promise. But I
Speaker 1: have a question about just watching tape because this is
Speaker 1: something that I struggle with as something of a I
Speaker 1: guess i'll call myself a tape dog myself as well.
Speaker 1: And maybe this is twofold, but we see all kinds
Speaker 1: of players have pretty big swings in terms of their
Speaker 1: performance from year to year. It's why this league is
Speaker 1: just so tough to predict every single season. You know,
Speaker 1: guys can struggle then become all pros or vice versa.
Speaker 1: My question is when you have a collection of tape,
Speaker 1: and this you know applies for multi year stars in
Speaker 1: college too, But how do you weigh like the impressive
Speaker 1: nature of the good tape maybe for one year was
Speaker 1: really good, maybe another year was kind of a down year.
Speaker 1: Like how do you balance the good reps versus the
Speaker 1: bad reps, whether it's a college prospect a pro from
Speaker 1: year to year. Like that's a roadblock I have in
Speaker 1: my own film study. I'm curious to get an expert's
Speaker 1: opinion on that, Travis.
Speaker 2: Is a great question, and I think you hit on
Speaker 2: something that I would dare say the vast majority of
Speaker 2: us ponder and wonder ourselves. You and I can't speak
Speaker 2: for anyone else in this business and how they watch tape, right,
Speaker 2: we don't know that, but my suspicion is, having watched
Speaker 2: it for a long time, you've done the same thing
Speaker 2: when you talk with other people, I'm guessing you're not
Speaker 2: the only one to see kind of asking this question.
Speaker 2: And when I've gotten and I don't know if I'm
Speaker 2: going to call it a consensus, but people I really
Speaker 2: respect who are great at doing this Scout, GMS, right assistant,
Speaker 2: gas personnel, people, coaches, all that. There's an expression that
Speaker 2: I've learned in the last few years called grading the
Speaker 2: flat and the flashes, meaning the really good plays that
Speaker 2: you were talking about, right, the really good stretches that
Speaker 2: you saw on tape. CJ. Stroud. I'm going to use
Speaker 2: an example. Quarterback at Ohio State before he went to
Speaker 2: the Houston texts a member of him and Bryce Young
Speaker 2: his year, Right, who do you like? Who do you like?
Speaker 2: Who do you like, there was all that discussion about CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 2: We didn't see him run the ball ahead of a lot, right, didn'
Speaker 2: see him break out of the pocket and run it
Speaker 2: was there consistency in certain things he did, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And then, as you know, Dravis, then we
Speaker 2: had the Georgia game in the College Football Playoff and CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud was incredible that night, right, And that became kind
Speaker 2: of the mantra around the league for people who were
Speaker 2: thinking about, Okay, can I move up and get him?
Speaker 2: Do I want him whatever? We've seen him do it. Now,
Speaker 2: if it's on tape and you've seen him do it,
Speaker 2: that means he can do it again. And now you
Speaker 2: have to go into your organization. You're head coach, who's
Speaker 2: going to coim what kind of training you're going to provide,
Speaker 2: what's your environment? So, as you know, Travis, sometimes we
Speaker 2: have if I take it out of CJ. Strod and
Speaker 2: I go to a person who we saw have great
Speaker 2: promise and fell off, can we get back to that
Speaker 2: great promise? Do I have an organization and a coach
Speaker 2: that I think can get there? And I'll give you
Speaker 2: a quick example, Derek Stingley junior. Derek Stingley, remember he
Speaker 2: was the consensus guy from his freshman year at LSU,
Speaker 2: but he had injuries, didn't play as much last couple
Speaker 2: of years in school, and then came Sauce gardener. So
Speaker 2: now we got a whole different conversation because Sauce was
Speaker 2: really consistent and kept getting better at Cincinnati. Who do
Speaker 2: you like better? Well, if you grated the Flashes, it's
Speaker 2: hard to get stinkly out of your head. But if
Speaker 2: you're watching the last two years in school, Sauce was
Speaker 2: clearly the one who was ascending and playing well. You
Speaker 2: remember how the draft rolled out. By the time we
Speaker 2: got to the draft, Travis Sauce was ahead on most
Speaker 2: people's scorecards, but Derek Stingley got picked before Sauce, one
Speaker 2: pick before Sauce because Houston had graded the Flashes felt
Speaker 2: they had the right people there, and Sauce started out
Speaker 2: the first two years was an all Pro as you
Speaker 2: remember rookie. The whole thing Derek Stingley had injury issues,
Speaker 2: wasn't as consistent. Starting twenty twenty three, Derek Stalely came
Speaker 2: off of an injury and has played at a level
Speaker 2: and kept descending where he was an All Pro last year,
Speaker 2: Sauce's team wasn't as good was you know, things weren't
Speaker 2: quite as great for him. He's still a great player
Speaker 2: and going to be again. But now Stingley's good hit
Speaker 2: the All Pro status that Sauce has hit prior. So
Speaker 2: it's all a matter of you know, what do you
Speaker 2: believe you can get If you've seen it before, you
Speaker 2: feel like you can get it again? And do we
Speaker 2: have the people to bring it out of them? And
Speaker 2: is it in that young man to bring it out
Speaker 2: of himself again? So that's where that homework comes in.
Speaker 2: And Travis, we all do so much homework, right We
Speaker 2: all work at it, and no one works at it
Speaker 2: more than the coaches, the scouts, the people thirty two
Speaker 2: NFL teams and they're lucky if they hit fifty. And
Speaker 2: they work at it like man, it is a very
Speaker 2: tough thing to do. And sometimes I keep having to
Speaker 2: remind myself and I want to call our brethren sometime
Speaker 2: and say, hey, you do know just how tough this is? Right,
Speaker 2: Like we get on these people like mad, how'd you
Speaker 2: miss here? Cause you and I both know using Sauce
Speaker 2: in Derek Stingley. You know the Houston people call you
Speaker 2: know what during sauces first two years. Yes, absolutely right,
Speaker 2: I think has worked out pretty well.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that comparison because it reminds me of a
Speaker 1: different player that we'll talk about. Come back and maybe
Speaker 1: put a pin in that, because I do want to
Speaker 1: get back to Malachi Starks, who I feel kind of
Speaker 1: got that like good tape fatigue where it's like he
Speaker 1: was such a good player that we kind of forgot
Speaker 1: about him and maybe the draft consents around him became
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, pulled down because of that.
Speaker 1: But let's come back to that, CD, because I want
Speaker 1: to go back to the Dolphins here and get into
Speaker 1: the official Dolphins draft conversation here and kick it off
Speaker 1: with talking about free agency and how that might impact
Speaker 1: their draft thinking. Because we saw them sign a big
Speaker 1: body wide receiver, which I think a lot of fans
Speaker 1: thought was a big need, and Nick Westbrook Akine a
Speaker 1: great blocking titand and Pharaoh Brown, a couple of offensive linemen,
Speaker 1: including one of the better guards in the game of
Speaker 1: my opinion, in James Daniels, A couple of safeties and linebackers.
Speaker 1: How do you think CD the Dolphins free agency, I
Speaker 1: guess a mode of attack. How did the way they
Speaker 1: filled out some needs and impact their potential Draft night
Speaker 1: when it comes to pick thirteen and beyond.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they did a nice job. I really do.
Speaker 2: In players, you were mentioning the needs, the fit was there.
Speaker 2: Chris Career and his staff and crew, I think did
Speaker 2: a really good job getting people who can do all
Speaker 2: of those things. The interesting part is in free agency,
Speaker 2: as you know Travis, for the most part, you fell needs,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't necessarily mean that the need is done.
Speaker 2: All right, So James Daniels comes in, but he's coming
Speaker 2: off of injury, right, and you're gonna plug him in
Speaker 2: and say he's going to be probably a starting right
Speaker 2: guard I would guess, right, Liam Ikenberg at left guard.
Speaker 2: So you have that. But at the same time, does
Speaker 2: that mean that you're done. I don't think so, because
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna get into other rounds because I
Speaker 2: just don't see them going guard at thirteen. But later rounds,
Speaker 2: who do you go and get and trying four to
Speaker 2: five and bring people in and maybe you find your
Speaker 2: starter for the future there. Those are the type of
Speaker 2: things you're doing. Pharaoh Brown. Terrific blocking tight end, But
Speaker 2: what is the quarterback's best friend ever receiving tight end,
Speaker 2: somebody who's working the middle of the field, always in
Speaker 2: the sight lines. Easy throws, easy completions, Boom boom boom boom,
Speaker 2: sticks move. Okay, are we done? I don't think so.
Speaker 2: There's a possibility of going out and getting and this
Speaker 2: is a pretty good tight end group that's coming out,
Speaker 2: So I don't think you're done on things of that nature.
Speaker 2: Nick Westbrook, I saw him in Tennessee. I've been doing
Speaker 2: their preseason package for a number of years now, and boy,
Speaker 2: he is he produced. Every time they've asked, he has produced.
Speaker 2: Is he ever gonna be a one? No? Is he
Speaker 2: ever gonna be a two? Probably not, But he's a
Speaker 2: terrific three, four, whatever you want, and he makes clutch
Speaker 2: catches at clutch times. Travis, you remember, before he got
Speaker 2: hurt at Indiana, we were saying this is a second
Speaker 2: round receiver all day long, and probably maybe our aspirations
Speaker 2: for him are a little bit higher. But the knee
Speaker 2: injury of the opening game begins Ohio State and it
Speaker 2: wasn't the same for a long time for him. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he ever got the same burst and
Speaker 2: everything that came from it. But he's a legit really
Speaker 2: good pro, really good player. But does that wipe out
Speaker 2: you what you're going to do a wide receiver. No,
Speaker 2: that's my point, Like just about every team when you
Speaker 2: go into free agency, it's rare that you get into
Speaker 2: free agency and get the guy that you want and
Speaker 2: now we don't have to worry about that spot anymore.
Speaker 2: Most times you get him, but you're still building, still
Speaker 2: thinking if I get someone else, you.
Speaker 1: Going yet, Just to use another example, like you're Stingley
Speaker 1: and Sauce Gardner take it kind of reminds me of
Speaker 1: like the Matt Flynn Russell Wilson decision in Seattle. Right,
Speaker 1: you get the free agent quarterback, you go draft the guy,
Speaker 1: and he winds up beating out the free agent in
Speaker 1: training camp. So we've seen Chris Greer mention this a
Speaker 1: few times. I think that they've they've shown you by
Speaker 1: what their actions are that typically if they like a player,
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't matter the position, they'll go with
Speaker 1: that player. And they do like to take their high
Speaker 1: premium spots, which has put them in a position to
Speaker 1: kind of be able to go shop for those specific needs.
Speaker 1: And with that in mind, I'm so fascinated by this
Speaker 1: thirteenth PIXID because you mentioned the tight end class. I
Speaker 1: think Tyler Warren makes a bunch of sense in that spot.
Speaker 1: We've seen the defensive tackle group maybe hasn't quite rounded
Speaker 1: into form just yet, and there's some guys that could
Speaker 1: be on the board at that spot. I mentioned Malachi
Speaker 1: Starks earlier. Jaday Baron's a guy that I think would
Speaker 1: would really fit in here nicely when you take a
Speaker 1: look at all those guys and kind of how I
Speaker 1: guess what might be there thinking about how picks ten
Speaker 1: through twelve could go, what do you think the most
Speaker 1: value might be for the Dolphins, whether it's a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, a captain of the back of
Speaker 1: the defense and Malachi Starks, whether it's a Tyler like
Speaker 1: who do you think it could be a possible fit
Speaker 1: there pick thirteen Beyond the guys we talked about.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think for what we're talking about,
Speaker 2: the safety I think is there and that would be
Speaker 2: the swing when you like, we just started baseball season,
Speaker 2: right it officially began yesterday and now we have the
Speaker 2: series in Japan with the Giant and I mean the
Speaker 2: Cubs and the Yankees, right, No, it's gonna be Cubs
Speaker 2: and Dodge. Yeah, right, we have that, but officially when
Speaker 2: it's all Capitals opening day, right, when we've done this.
Speaker 2: That was on Thursday of the last week in March.
Speaker 2: So this is a big swing. You go safety at thirteen. Right.
Speaker 2: I'm with you because you keep mentioning Malachi Starks. So
Speaker 2: I've already figured out without having a conversation that you
Speaker 2: and I are sitting in the same spot that Malachi
Speaker 2: Starks is being over looked because Nick m and Worry
Speaker 2: had one of the most monster combines, plus a very
Speaker 2: good career in South Carolina, plus a body type that
Speaker 2: we're all just like, oh my god, this monster. I
Speaker 2: said it during the combine. I'm old enough to remember
Speaker 2: when all safeties kind of look like Nick m and Wary. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm talking David Fulter in Cincinnati. I'm talking Steve Atwater
Speaker 2: in Denver. I'm talking Ronnie a Lot when he swung
Speaker 2: back to safety in San Francisco, Tim McDonald and Arizona
Speaker 2: in San Francisco. They were master dons that ruled the earth.
Speaker 2: Like if you ran into Steve atwater now And I
Speaker 2: don't know. If you have Travis, you would swear he
Speaker 2: was an edge rusher when he played in the NFL.
Speaker 2: He a monster. And I'm not saying and this isn't
Speaker 2: because Steve's older and out of shape. You just go,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that was a safety. So that's what
Speaker 2: m and worry kind is kind of back to the
Speaker 2: future for me. And I will say this, and I
Speaker 2: know Steve and those guys get mad at me, But
Speaker 2: Edmond Warry runs better than all of them. Okay, he's
Speaker 2: a better athlete. We've evolved it that way. Is he
Speaker 2: a better player? That means to be seen. But I'm
Speaker 2: with you on Malchi Starks. I think that we got
Speaker 2: to the point where we took for granted excellent play
Speaker 2: that we were getting. We took for granted a guy
Speaker 2: who's in the right place at the right time. We
Speaker 2: took for granted guy who could make plays on the
Speaker 2: football and knock down your ball carriers and your receivers
Speaker 2: after they catch the ball. I'm a Starks guy. Okay,
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean I don't like emin Warwick. I like
Speaker 2: Starks a little bit better. You take him at thirteen. Well,
Speaker 2: wasn't there a guy named Javon Holland that you had
Speaker 2: is no longer there?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: You can play yeah, and is a plug and play.
Speaker 2: And off you go. Let's go to the corner position
Speaker 2: because you mentioned today Baron wonderful player, love him. Will
Speaker 2: Johnson might still be available coming out of Michigan that time. Okay,
Speaker 2: Benjamin Morrison from from Notre Dames a really good corner
Speaker 2: as well. That'll be interested to see where Chris Greer
Speaker 2: and his group if they have, what grades they have,
Speaker 2: and where they might want to go with something like that. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you defensive line you mentioned, how is
Speaker 2: it going to kind of come off the board? I'm
Speaker 2: really interested in that one as well. Because Mason Graham,
Speaker 2: we've kind of locked in for the longest time from
Speaker 2: Michigan is almost a top five certainty. I don't know
Speaker 2: if we're right. I really don't know if we're right
Speaker 2: on that. It has nothing to do with Mason Graham
Speaker 2: and whether or not he's a good ballplayer. I just
Speaker 2: wonder if the board's gonna fall differently now where Mason
Speaker 2: Graham doesn't get top five. Now the question is is
Speaker 2: it top ten, because once people start plucking certain guys,
Speaker 2: maybe other people jump up ahead where other teams come
Speaker 2: up and get them. And does a Mason Graham go down. Look,
Speaker 2: if he went at thirteen, people might go, oh my god,
Speaker 2: he's slid And I don't know if it's as much
Speaker 2: of a slide as people think. But he'd be really
Speaker 2: good there, wouldn't he at thirteen? But Derek Harmon from Oregon,
Speaker 2: Kenneth Mason Graham's running mate there, Okay, Walter Nolan is
Speaker 2: a polarizing figure because remember we talk about grating flashes
Speaker 2: right and flashes there. So those are the types of
Speaker 2: things you're getting into. I'm just talking about first round.
Speaker 2: We can get into other guys later if we want to,
Speaker 2: just the first round guys like that. That's kind of
Speaker 2: where I'm going with it. But you get back to
Speaker 2: that tight end. If Tyler Warren or Colston Loveland is
Speaker 2: sitting there at thirteen, I don't know that Chris Greer
Speaker 2: hesitates a heck of a lot. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel might be like, get it, get it.
Speaker 1: Get it, Yeah, let's take it eligible why not?
Speaker 2: You know? And who can blame him? Absolutely? The things
Speaker 2: we do with tight ends in the NFL nowadays and
Speaker 2: what we're what they allow us to do offensively. And
Speaker 2: how about some of the people whose careers have been
Speaker 2: revived John new Smith last season. If anyone saw that coming,
Speaker 2: please let me know, because I want to hang out
Speaker 2: with you from now on and I want to I
Speaker 2: want to soak it all in because I knew John
Speaker 2: knew in Tennessee. I thought his best had been had
Speaker 2: been established, like we weren't going to get back to
Speaker 2: that potential, and it did so in the right place
Speaker 2: the right time to rite it. Boom, this can happen.
Speaker 2: But Warren and Loveland are pretty good, to put it mildly,
Speaker 2: but the rest of that tight end class is really
Speaker 2: good as well.
Speaker 1: I love the dichotomy of it and the way you
Speaker 1: again going back to the sauce and steingly debate. It
Speaker 1: kind of sets the whole theme for this episode up,
Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of these guys were
Speaker 1: talking about have that where it's like Starks is the
Speaker 1: is the proven you know, three year tape guy, and
Speaker 1: Eman worries the kind of flash you know, grade the
Speaker 1: flashes with a big workout. You talk about Warren and
Speaker 1: Loveland couldn't be more differing as in terms of their
Speaker 1: play styles. I think the whole draft is like that,
Speaker 1: and it kind of takes you to a position of
Speaker 1: like what flavor do you prefer? And with that in mind,
Speaker 1: cd the spot we didn't talk about, which I'd be
Speaker 1: missed to not bring it up here on a draft
Speaker 1: episode of the Draft Time podcast is the offensive line.
Speaker 1: And the Dolphins for for a long time, a lot,
Speaker 1: well since McDaniel got here, really have been pretty good
Speaker 1: about having guys that can play both guard and tackle,
Speaker 1: and those tackles are super athletic, wind up kicking inside
Speaker 1: the guard and being good players there. I'm curious who
Speaker 1: you think might kind of fit that mold as a
Speaker 1: possible early selection on the offensive line that could play
Speaker 1: multiple spots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when I look at the Dolphins, I start
Speaker 2: first interior offensive line because you got Armstead right, it
Speaker 2: left Austin Jackson at right. I'm not saying that that's
Speaker 2: just a flat out lock. You're always trying to get better,
Speaker 2: but I feel like the interior is more of a concern.
Speaker 2: Daniel's coming off of injury, brand new team, right, Aaron
Speaker 2: Brewer always gonna no matter what's it. No matter what
Speaker 2: you say about Aaron brow whether you and I talk
Speaker 2: about him, when someone writes about him, Travis, tell me
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, it's gonna say the undersized Aaron Brewer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he just got to live with it, right. But he's
Speaker 2: a battler. He's worked his way in this league. He's
Speaker 2: been a starter in this league. You know he's dependable.
Speaker 2: He's going to be there. And then Leah Mikenberg at
Speaker 2: left guard. So if I'm thinking interior, and again, I
Speaker 2: don't know, thirteen's the spot. But Tyler Booker from Alabama,
Speaker 2: I realize people kind of lost their mind a little
Speaker 2: because his combined numbers weren't quite what they were looking for,
Speaker 2: especially on the forty, the ten things of that nature.
Speaker 2: When we look at his numbers, they didn't. Okay, you
Speaker 2: remember when Orlando Brown went to the combine because you
Speaker 2: followed this as well as anyone. And I don't know
Speaker 2: that he's finished his forty yet, that's right that time.
Speaker 2: He's won multiple Super Bowl rings, he's been an All
Speaker 2: Pro Pro Bowl left and right tackle. Sometimes you can
Speaker 2: just play football, and Tyler Booker to me, can just
Speaker 2: play football. But I really have been impressed. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give you some names of guys I've liked because I
Speaker 2: again I don't know that this is thirteen, but if
Speaker 2: I'm thinking interior offensive line, these are people that I
Speaker 2: would keep an eye on. I think Donovan jenk Jackson
Speaker 2: from Ohio State who was a guard and had to
Speaker 2: kick out to left tackle right to backfill Josh Simmons,
Speaker 2: I think he's a good player. I really think that
Speaker 2: Tate Rattledge from Georgia did that nice little front somersault
Speaker 2: to finish up the combine. Remember everybody's doing backflips and
Speaker 2: all an offensive linemen are like, okay, we'll do a
Speaker 2: summer So yeah, I thought that was really cool. I
Speaker 2: think the interior Seth McLoughlin, coming out of Ohio State
Speaker 2: formerly of Alabama, has the injury coming along and see
Speaker 2: the type of guy that I can plug into the
Speaker 2: middle and be my pivot. I really think Jared Wilson
Speaker 2: from from Georgia, I think he's a good player. And
Speaker 2: whatever George is doing with the Senators are doing a
Speaker 2: really nice job because they keep sending the centers that
Speaker 2: can play. Last year's vamprint a Granger, a Van prim
Speaker 2: Granger etc. Who went to Buffalout doesn't have to play yet,
Speaker 2: but I think he can plug in and play right away.
Speaker 2: Down the road. Remember Clay Webb Jacksonville State, Georgia, guy
Speaker 2: who had gone to Jacksonville State. You get hit him
Speaker 2: on day three. He's gonna come in and be a
Speaker 2: good player for you right away and compete and become
Speaker 2: a starter in this league. Down the road, Why at
Speaker 2: Miloma tackle at West Virginia who I think can kick
Speaker 2: inside and play for you? You and I could go
Speaker 2: on and on and on, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: bore everyone that's out there. All I'm saying is there
Speaker 2: are a ton of options. That's why I'm wondering unless
Speaker 2: you're gonna have one of those incredible tackles fall. I
Speaker 2: don't know if Chris Brear is going at thirteen with
Speaker 2: the guard and I think, and to me, it's the
Speaker 2: interior offensive line. But that's just me. You may be like, well,
Speaker 2: you know what you're talking about, David, I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: something else, and rightly, rightly, so way ahead of me.
Speaker 2: But that's how I look at If I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: interior offensive line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think options in the first rounds. What you want,
Speaker 1: and then you gave us a bunch of Day two
Speaker 1: kind of later on options that would I think certainly
Speaker 1: satisfy the fan base here With some of those selections
Speaker 1: you could possibly make CD.
Speaker 3: I have one more.
Speaker 1: Question for you here to kind of bring it back
Speaker 1: full circle, and we have about three or four minutes
Speaker 1: left from the call. Don't want to get your cut
Speaker 1: off here, so just give you that heads up. But
Speaker 1: we talk about guys that move across the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul was a player that was drafted, you know,
Speaker 1: left tackle exclusively at Houston. He played left tackle last
Speaker 1: year for US a little bit of right tackle cross training,
Speaker 1: but got some good valuable reps and could be in
Speaker 1: line to take over that left tackle position. I'm curious
Speaker 1: to get your take on his development as a second
Speaker 1: year player. But also if there's anybody else you want
Speaker 1: to talk about from the Dolphins twenty twenty four class,
Speaker 1: Chop Robinson, Malik Washington, Jalen Wright had some flash in
Speaker 1: there as well. What do you think about the Dolphins
Speaker 1: draft class from last year and how they could take
Speaker 1: a jump here in the second season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you're gonna see it happened people.
Speaker 2: I just I just never believe that we give enough
Speaker 2: credence to how difficult it is to make the jump,
Speaker 2: and the ones who really screw it up are the
Speaker 2: ones who jump well and are like rookies of the
Speaker 2: year and play really well and become starters. And we
Speaker 2: think that should happen for everyone. It can't, It won't.
Speaker 2: It's hard Patrick Paul having a year where he didn't
Speaker 2: have to have any pressure on him, where he got
Speaker 2: to cross train during practice sessions. We got to go
Speaker 2: against really good, good guys each and every week because
Speaker 2: you know, he was doing the show team or the
Speaker 2: scout team and all that. It serves you well. It
Speaker 2: gives you an opportunity to improve, you know. Jalen Wright
Speaker 2: learning this offense, learning how to fit in, earning the
Speaker 2: trust of Mike McDaniel in the offensive group where he's
Speaker 2: gonna call more plays for him. Year two is going
Speaker 2: to be better for him. But the one I keep
Speaker 2: coming back to Chop Robinson because I thought coming out
Speaker 2: of Penn State, we all thought he was a terrific player.
Speaker 2: But what was the big question mark? We had production
Speaker 2: numbers get four and a half saxes last year at
Speaker 2: Penn State, It's like a tradition at Penn State, right
Speaker 2: a Dafeoway with Baltimore zero saxes last year at Penn State,
Speaker 2: first round pick, Chop Robinson four and a half first
Speaker 2: round pick, and as a fan, you're like, if he's
Speaker 2: a great pass rusher in college, how's he only getting
Speaker 2: four and a half sacks. It's one of the great
Speaker 2: mysteries for me. Do you know Danielle Hunter had four
Speaker 2: and a half sacks his entire career at LSU.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, we heard a lot about that talking about
Speaker 1: Chopp last year, so.
Speaker 2: You just don't know. Well, the second half of the
Speaker 2: year telling me I'm wrong, Chop was pretty darn good,
Speaker 2: wasn't he. Yeah?
Speaker 3: Elite, I would.
Speaker 2: Say, elite, Right, you know where that you know who
Speaker 2: that helps have Dual Carter. Yeah, Dual Carter's coming out
Speaker 2: of Penn State and we're all having the questions. But
Speaker 2: the one question you don't have to ask yourself about
Speaker 2: a Duel Carter Penn State is production numbers, because he
Speaker 2: actually had double digit sacks, so we know there are
Speaker 2: proven commodity. I just think Chop Robinson, now well, we
Speaker 2: won't talk about college sacks anymore. We're just gonna talk
Speaker 2: about this guy going to Pro Bowls being an All
Speaker 2: Pro player, because boy was he good the second half
Speaker 2: of last year. And it just shows you making the transition,
Speaker 2: learning things and sometimes when the time's right, it takes off.
Speaker 2: We talk about all the time with quarterbacks, but we
Speaker 2: never give the other positions the same grace. Then maybe
Speaker 2: it might take a little more time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point to end it on, too,
Speaker 1: And I think a big credit to Ryan Crow and
Speaker 1: to Anthony Weaver and Austin Clark forgetting chopping that kind
Speaker 1: of his I guess his plan as a pro and
Speaker 1: the developmental plan for what he was able to kind
Speaker 1: of do and add to his play as the year
Speaker 1: went along. Very excited to see what's on deck for
Speaker 1: him here and your number two. You can hear him
Speaker 1: on the call of games this season for CBS. You
Speaker 1: can also find Charles Davis anchoring NFL Networks draft coverage
Speaker 1: all week long up in Green Bay, April twenty fourth
Speaker 1: through the twenty six CD. You're the best man right
Speaker 1: in under the time here. We appreciate your time today
Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3: My friend.
Speaker 2: Always great talking with you, and thanks again for the
Speaker 2: time and looking forward to another great NFL season after
Speaker 2: we get through the draft in Green Bay. How cool
Speaker 2: is that we're an iconic Green Bay for the draft Titletown, USA.
Speaker 2: Come on, come to Green Bay, Travis, and we'll go
Speaker 2: and make the pilgrimage to vinceland Party's house.
Speaker 1: Okay, you and me, Man, you can just tell us
Speaker 1: guylos football right, you can't hide it at CD.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: We appreciate your time today. Man, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: You take care and away he goes.
Speaker 1: Last break right there on the other side, my breakdown
Speaker 1: on Texas defensive back he ploys corner end safety today Baron.
Speaker 1: That's next Draft Time podcast, your host, Travis Wingfield, brought
Speaker 1: to you by Automation. Texas defensive back Jday Baron a
Speaker 1: very interesting study to me because this is a player
Speaker 1: who in so many ways makes so much sense for
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, and I think the usage is both
Speaker 1: a blessing and a curse for Jaday Baron in terms
Speaker 1: of where he's played and how he was deployed and
Speaker 1: how it might fit in with the Miami Dolphins defense.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and first though, just talk about the
Speaker 1: tape in general, because without looking at any coverage maps,
Speaker 1: I can tell you this Texas defense varied their calls
Speaker 1: and coverages basically on a downby down basis, and the
Speaker 1: way that he and the safeties would communicate and pass
Speaker 1: off was a thing of beauty. It was a very
Speaker 1: veteran defense. They're well coached to their rules. One play
Speaker 1: after he filled the back on a B side, a
Speaker 1: backside B gap run and got knocked back on a
Speaker 1: one on one collision with Arizona State running back Cam Scatabow,
Speaker 1: who I suppose is kind of the teach tape when
Speaker 1: it comes to powerbacks in this year's class. He met
Speaker 1: him head up and got knocked back at one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty three pounds on a two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: pounds back That squat or that that did a forty
Speaker 1: inch vertical an eleven foot broad jump right, so a
Speaker 1: very explosive player. He covered the one on a vertical
Speaker 1: to the field the wide side of the field, and
Speaker 1: what looked to me like it was quarter quarter half
Speaker 1: cover six with only one vertical route, and he squats
Speaker 1: on it and then motions the safety and behind him,
Speaker 1: which that's not the safety's responsibility on that play, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, that safety motions back to him
Speaker 1: and he takes the vertical. So it told me that
Speaker 1: they have hard and fast rules that Baron is an
Speaker 1: expert in and can communicate to the rest of the
Speaker 1: defensive backfield to get those places covered. And he just
Speaker 1: plants himself on his zone to occupy a backside crossing route.
Speaker 1: So he's taking away the most immediate, biggest play threat
Speaker 1: and then getting to the second biggest play threat that
Speaker 1: they're trying to influence based upon that route concept. And
Speaker 1: you see this all over his tape. You hear the
Speaker 1: way he talked about, you know, emotional maturity at the combine.
Speaker 1: How can I be committed to the process without being
Speaker 1: emotionally tied to the results because you are going to
Speaker 1: get beat in this league, in this game. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of the things we covered with Malachi Stark
Speaker 1: supplies here. You know, he makes your defense smarter, He
Speaker 1: makes players around him better because of the way he
Speaker 1: prepares and puts himself in advantageous positions. I think the
Speaker 1: part that makes him most attractive to the Dolphins is
Speaker 1: the ability to align in all three positions as far
Speaker 1: as a cornerback goes and I think he could do
Speaker 1: even more than that, And with how the Dolphins like
Speaker 1: to invert their corners and get them back into deep,
Speaker 1: deep coverage halfs. In terms of like playing safety, I
Speaker 1: lean towards a Brian Branch type role when he's playing
Speaker 1: kind of that backside safety slot combination where he can
Speaker 1: match up on tight ends and running backs, he can
Speaker 1: come down and fit the run. He can blitz occasionally,
Speaker 1: and I thought with his makeup, he might be a
Speaker 1: more frequent blitzer, but Texas only blitzed him twenty times
Speaker 1: really every year that he played there. That includes playing
Speaker 1: primarily as a slot primarily as the boundary X receiver
Speaker 1: cover guy. You know, not a lot of reps to
Speaker 1: the field, but he played multiple roles in terms of
Speaker 1: how he rushed, how he dropped, how he played zone,
Speaker 1: how he played man. From that slot and from that
Speaker 1: boundary position, member, you're gonna you hear boundary a lot,
Speaker 1: and that's referred to as just outside cornerbacks, but that's
Speaker 1: not the correct phrasing because boundary means the short side
Speaker 1: of the field. The field is the wide side, so
Speaker 1: plenty of reps in multiple roles, but the way he
Speaker 1: processes and moves from his spot on zone turns, that's
Speaker 1: what really makes him attractive to me and makes me
Speaker 1: curious about how he might be deployed here, because this
Speaker 1: is a team that does have a very good rush
Speaker 1: and sim pressure package and take away the hot reed
Speaker 1: originally try to find a way to break a free
Speaker 1: runner and take away the quarterbacks first option. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what Baron can do, I think, in the way
Speaker 1: that Malachi Starks kind of did for the Georgia Bulldogs.
Speaker 1: But I think he can play enough man coverage to
Speaker 1: give you the best of both worlds for a defense
Speaker 1: that leaned on Moore man coverage down the stretch and
Speaker 1: probably wants to be that more in twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: as well. I mean this guy, though, the zone drops
Speaker 1: and the processing from those positions, whether it's the curl
Speaker 1: flat which is on the out side part of the field,
Speaker 1: the hook zone down the middle, and kind of that
Speaker 1: Brian Branch like robber slash hook zone drop role, which
Speaker 1: again lends itself to the concept that you can put
Speaker 1: him in a three man cornerback group that can all
Speaker 1: play each spot and that can allow you to vary
Speaker 1: up your rush looks and disguise the matchups you want
Speaker 1: to dictate from a defensive perspective, and you know that's
Speaker 1: kind of a misnomer, like you can't dictate matchups on defense,
Speaker 1: But when you have quarterbacks that can do that, that's
Speaker 1: what it allows you to do. When you're that interchangeable,
Speaker 1: you can kind of dictate how you match up on
Speaker 1: the offense. His eyes are maybe the best in the class.
Speaker 1: He was targeted twice in the first half of the
Speaker 1: Clemson game, both pass breakups where you freeze the tape
Speaker 1: when the quarterback's hands separate right when the ball is
Speaker 1: going to be delivered and he's already moving. So he
Speaker 1: likes to play from depth where he can assess and
Speaker 1: cut off the route ahead of time. He did that
Speaker 1: also in the first half of that game on a
Speaker 1: non target on a drag route from short motion where
Speaker 1: he is playing to the field on the number one receiver,
Speaker 1: the widest receiver to the field, and he takes a
Speaker 1: short motion and then turns that kind of head start
Speaker 1: into a drag route across the field, and you see
Speaker 1: Barron just stay like two yards on top of it
Speaker 1: and run it off at the pass where the catch
Speaker 1: point would have happened and just takes it away. And
Speaker 1: then from a temperament and physicality and play style note,
Speaker 1: I think he's a great tackler with a will to
Speaker 1: put his face in the fan. He will misstackles, but
Speaker 1: when you're tackling in space, that often your mistackle rate's
Speaker 1: going to be a lot higher than a linebacker or
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman. But when he needs to go fit
Speaker 1: a run like the scatter boat rep, he'll do that.
Speaker 1: He's also never bothered by his sense of his sense
Speaker 1: of urgency, like really in any sense of the game,
Speaker 1: but in particular the physical aspect. I'm sure you've all
Speaker 1: seen the pick he had against Georgia where he just
Speaker 1: squats on a route and engages the receiver as he
Speaker 1: goes to initiate the contact, he kind of absorbs it,
Speaker 1: takes it, shucks him off to the side, makes the pick,
Speaker 1: and runs it back to like the five yard line.
Speaker 1: So he likes to fight fire with fire when that
Speaker 1: receiver will initiate the contact, which defenders have to be
Speaker 1: careful about that because you can get flagged, especially at
Speaker 1: this level, if you do that. But he's like if
Speaker 1: the receiver initiates and the dB usually reps will keep
Speaker 1: the flag in their pocket, and I think he's kind
Speaker 1: of savvy in the way he does that. I think
Speaker 1: the question for Baron coming in will be the ability
Speaker 1: to play press coverage, but I don't think that's because
Speaker 1: he can't do it. He just wasn't really asked to
Speaker 1: do it a lot. At Texas it was almost always
Speaker 1: off or when he was pressed up, it was inside.
Speaker 1: As a possible blitz convert option. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of teams will look at him as a nickel slot type,
Speaker 1: but I do think that he can play on the
Speaker 1: outside because of the best feel in the class, whether
Speaker 1: it's in zone or man off coverage, and he's a
Speaker 1: really good tackler. He's processed oriented. I think that McDaniel's
Speaker 1: comments at the owners meetings about the importance of guys
Speaker 1: who want to win and love football and how that
Speaker 1: can translate to a culture. I think that builds towards,
Speaker 1: you know, winning those big games late in the season.
Speaker 3: I think Baron fits all of those.
Speaker 1: So if he makes it to pick thirteen, I'll be
Speaker 1: I think he'll be one of the best options I
Speaker 1: have him over Starks right now in that position. But yeah,
Speaker 1: just a really, really, really good football player, and the
Speaker 1: two knocks are essentially out of his control lack of
Speaker 1: real true press rep. And he'll be twenty four and
Speaker 1: the season starts. That second one kind of a big
Speaker 1: deal because your second contract, you played really well four
Speaker 1: years in, you get that extension. You're twenty eight years old,
Speaker 1: which is closer to that kind of that drop off
Speaker 1: in that cliff. But like we talked about, this is
Speaker 1: a guy that I think can play into his mid
Speaker 1: thirties as a kind of strong safety slot nickel type.
Speaker 3: So big fan of Jaday Baron.
Speaker 1: I would have him as my top guy that we've
Speaker 1: done these deep profile dives on Malachi Starks number two,
Speaker 1: we'll get to Tyler Warren and Kenneth Grant, nick e
Speaker 1: Man Worry. I want to do a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: these before the draft and continue to build the profile
Speaker 1: out of Day two and Day three possible prospects as well.
Speaker 1: I watched Andrew mccouba as well as Alfred Collins on
Speaker 1: that Texas tapes. We'll cover those guys and gets you
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