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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Portney with an army and normal folks.

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Speaker 1: And we continue now a part two of our conversation

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Speaker 1: with Seth Caplan. Right after these brief messages from our

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Speaker 1: generous sponsors, something that was interesting that I read that

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Speaker 1: either you said or that you used as a point,

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Speaker 1: which is what mother Teresa said. We think sometimes that

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Speaker 1: poverty is only being hungry, naked, and homeless. The poverty

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Speaker 1: of being unwanted, unloved, and uncared for is the greatest poverty.

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Speaker 1: And when you are alone and you don't feel part

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Speaker 1: You can develop a feeling of being unwanted, unlow, don't

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Speaker 1: cared for as the greatest poverty, and that in and

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Speaker 1: of itself, ironically, to me, it's fragile.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean we have become we have gone from

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Speaker 2: being resilient to fragile as a society. Not because I

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Speaker 2: mean we hear about the polarization and the political parties.

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Speaker 2: I see that. I don't think it's great, but it

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Speaker 2: doesn't worry me very much. I'm much more worried about

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Speaker 2: something deep that's happened in our society. Of this disconnection

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Speaker 2: and the mistrust and the isolation and the loneliness when

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Speaker 2: you look at you gave some statistics before, and I

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Speaker 2: can actually if we had a slide or something here,

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Speaker 2: I would plot the health of Americans, like the lifespan

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Speaker 2: of Americans versus the lifespan of similar countries and forget COVID.

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Speaker 2: But they kept going up and up and up, and

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Speaker 2: we sometime from around nineteen eighty began to go up

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Speaker 2: actually a huge gap in terms of the well being

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Speaker 2: our healthcare, but for me, the single greatest factor is

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Speaker 2: we're relationship poor. We've gone from relationship rich or social

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Speaker 2: wealth social richness to what I would call social poverty.

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Speaker 2: And this disc when you see all those people dining

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Speaker 2: from suicides and drugs, and there's a lot of factors

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Speaker 2: in there, but honestly, suicides globally are been going down,

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Speaker 2: and fetanol. But honestly, the number of people who are

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Speaker 2: it all. So I believe our disconnection and our and

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Speaker 2: our people just don't feel like the society is for them.

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Speaker 2: They don't feel like they have hope. I think there's

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Speaker 2: a lack of hope or optimism about the future. Big

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Speaker 2: part of it is the way that places have been

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Speaker 2: we become disconnected from each other. So I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: two different things, but they're connected because they're both about disconnection.

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Speaker 2: Places are totally disconnected, and within lots of places, even

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Speaker 2: if you have a nice house and you have a

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Speaker 2: much more socially poor. And maybe those apps will help you,

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Speaker 2: maybe your bank account will help you, But I think

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Speaker 2: there's a lot less joy in those lives because we're

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Speaker 2: much more socially poor than we were before. And that

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Speaker 2: But believe me, there's something that's affecting a lot more

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Speaker 2: about disconnection. In fact, both issues are all about disconnection.

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Speaker 1: As I listened to you, I think about the way

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Speaker 1: Around the corner, so I did stickball, We played kick

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Speaker 1: And we have replaced that reality with video games. Now

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Speaker 1: and then on top of all of that, I read

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Speaker 1: Right, it all plays together when I've read that and

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Speaker 2: not involved with pro social activities. Therefore we become more

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Speaker 1: Think about it, we don't give, which we don't enjoy,

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Speaker 2: Me, for me, I mean, the challenge is the phone

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Speaker 2: But the alternative is much better and we will be happier.

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Speaker 2: But it takes more energy, more time. And that's the challenge.

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Speaker 2: It's the immediate gratification versus something that generally involves a

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Speaker 1: The subtitle of your book, Fragile Neighborhoods is repairing American

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Speaker 1: there's a preface to it. We may not be a

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Speaker 1: as it pertains to the work that Alex and I do.

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Speaker 1: We believe with everything we are without the data points

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Speaker 1: the greatly disadvantaged neighborhoods, where they came from and why

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Speaker 1: So let's get to the redemption. How do we repair

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's many steps. As a start, we

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Speaker 2: Neighborhoods are the building blocks of successful places, cities, towns,

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Speaker 2: We need to think in terms of neighborhoods. So that's

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Speaker 2: you a different lens. It's opposed to thinking about individuals.

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Speaker 2: what you would be doing. Again, there's great variation, and

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Speaker 2: and we're not going to do all these neighborhoods. We

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Speaker 2: would have a strategy to prioritize a few. One would

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Speaker 2: be the geography. It's got to be relatively close to

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Speaker 2: there's a few others. But you know something about people,

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Speaker 1: One of the things we say that I say often

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Speaker 1: and it all comes down to, let's improve our communities

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Speaker 1: in our neighborhoods by just having normal people interact with

434
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Speaker 1: one another, build community and serve one.

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Speaker 2: I think in America that's true. If I'm in Somalia,

436
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: we're talking like that. But in this country, in this country,

437
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: I would say, it's about normal people stepping up. I

438
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: would say, it's joining with other people in your neighborhood.

439
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: I would say, really important. We build institutions and we

440
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: rethink institutions because it's to develop what you what. The

441
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: big question I asked in my in my in my

442
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: research is that I was I ran around this country

443
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: looking for organizations and if you read read my book,

444
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: you know I profiled five that were doing things that

445
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: were able to scale up to strengthen relationships in a place.

446
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 2: So so I have five. I did one that worked

447
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: on just built the neighborhood hub in Detroit. Uh, this

448
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: is life remodeled and they basically are They brought a

449
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: lot of organizations. You have Darren Babcock here not too

450
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: long ago. That's sort of what he did used his

451
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 2: urban farm to bring a lot of institutions into a neighborhood.

452
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Speaker 2: This is what the person in Detroit did. I have

453
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: somebody who worked on person in Appalichia working on how

454
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Speaker 2: to basically through the schools to strengthen community, strengthen the

455
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: prospects of towns and counties. So one is just the

456
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Speaker 2: building community, one is through the schools. One is I

457
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Speaker 2: would say inter family. That was someone in Baltimore an

458
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: organization called Thread focused on the worst achieving ninth graders,

459
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Speaker 2: and so it's basically creating a Thread family to support

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Speaker 2: these kids, kids who for the most part, had not

461
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: had love, had not had stability, had not had the

462
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Speaker 2: social context to thrive. So that's inter Family. I have

463
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Speaker 2: one on church and marriage. That's Communio that's working with

464
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Speaker 2: churches all across the country basically within a few miles

465
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Speaker 2: of their church to strengthen marriage. And then I have

466
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 2: one that was actually thinking a little more in terms

467
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Speaker 2: of the place, how do we work on a neighbor

468
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Speaker 2: with a more systemic that's something called purpose Built Communities

469
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Speaker 2: based in Atlanta. The whole point wasn't all of these examples.

470
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Speaker 2: The big question I was asking is what can we

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Speaker 2: do to strengthen relationships and strengthen the institutions that support them.

472
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Speaker 2: So at a neighborhood level. And so when you're talking

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Speaker 2: about normal people what they can do, I would say,

474
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: by all means, believe in yourself, by all means, step up,

475
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: by all means, find other people. But if you're going

476
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: to funnel your energy, I would say you can certainly

477
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: do things informally starting off. But I would say the

478
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: extent that we have neighborhood and place unique institutions. It

479
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: could be economic, could be religious, it could be social,

480
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: it could be cultural, could be civic, it could be anything.

481
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Speaker 2: We want to have institutions that bring people together and

482
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Speaker 2: do it over and over and over again and create

483
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Speaker 2: lots of spin offs. So we create that cohesion, we

484
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Speaker 2: create that community, and we make our places better. If

485
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Speaker 2: we all did that, what a difference it would.

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Speaker 1: Make a man a Jewish brother South Kaplan. I'm giving

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Speaker 1: you an al aluyjah from hehelujah. Yeah, it's it's I

488
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Speaker 1: just I so I sit and hear you and I'm

489
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Speaker 1: like tapping my foot on the ground. It's it's You're

490
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Speaker 1: like the data point. You are the human data point,

491
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Speaker 1: the human human research data point that says exactly what

492
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Speaker 1: I believe, and it's i'm.

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Speaker 2: How do we join?

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Speaker 1: So?

495
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Speaker 2: How do we join to create this bigger movement? So

496
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Speaker 2: i'm i'm you have an open offer. Tell me what

497
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Speaker 2: we can do to help more people, more places step

498
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Speaker 2: into this and figure out not only that they want

499
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Speaker 2: to do this, but how they can do it. Open

500
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Speaker 2: invitations and anyone listening watching find me. I'm happy to

501
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Speaker 2: be helpful. We want to step into this and help

502
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Speaker 2: as many people as possible and create a moment of

503
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: people doing this. So you need to come up, maybe

504
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Speaker 2: it's at a later date. How do we make this

505
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Speaker 2: more possible for more people?

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Your first example of five, the

507
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Speaker 1: life remodeled thing. That's a Chicago thing, right, that's Detroit, Detroit.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, life remodel Detroit. Interestingly, Detroit at one time,

509
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Speaker 1: I think was the most wealthy per capita city in

510
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Speaker 1: our country back at.

511
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Speaker 2: Yes, you're going back a long time. It was also

512
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: a member Detroit almost reached two million. Now it's about

513
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 2: six hundred and maybe fifty thousand. Believe it's incredible. If

514
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: you drive around Detroit, it's like a post war situation.

515
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Speaker 2: I can talk a little bit about that. Detroit used

516
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: to be very wealthy. Detroit used to be very incredible neighborhoods,

517
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: and it was. The population is down about sixty percent,

518
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: and driving through Detroit it's like a post war situation. Literally,

519
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: you have whole neighborhoods that are in decay or the

520
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: houses have been removed. You can go to churches, you

521
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: can go to schools, you can go to these glorious buildings,

522
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: huge factories. They're still there, but they've collapsed upon themselves,

523
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: shattered glass, cement. I mean, I literally have seen schools

524
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Speaker 2: and churches. You just can't believe. It's almost like they

525
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Speaker 2: were bombed. It's incredible to see.

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Speaker 1: Actually, So explain what Life Weremodeled is doing about this

527
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Speaker 1: and why you focused on them in the book. I mean,

528
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Speaker 1: obviously you believe significantly what they're doing. So what are

529
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Speaker 1: they doing and why is that such a great example.

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Speaker 2: So first, I have five examples, and the five are

531
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Speaker 2: not chosen out of thin air. I looked at the

532
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: data and it's it's there if you look closely on it. Again,

533
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Speaker 2: it's written, It's not written in a very data manner.

534
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Speaker 2: But I list at some point what are the factors

535
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Speaker 2: for the success of the neighborhood. And there's plenty of

536
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Speaker 2: data about what correlates with success. And so the five

537
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: examples I chose or five of the most important, and

538
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: so one of them is the communal aspect. The term

539
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: that people would use in research is collective efficacy, the

540
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: collective the people working together to make a place better.

541
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Speaker 2: What's what's the it's it's something It's hard to measure,

542
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: but so I look, I was looking for someone who

543
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: was doing this. I found Life Remodeled. Somebody I knew

544
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: recommended the organization. And what's Life Remodel is so interesting?

545
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: Is first started by a pastor, a pastor who originally

546
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: wanted to take his church out of the building to

547
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: help people, and then found his real destiny. He was

548
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: actually helping the people, and so he doesn't run a

549
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: church at least that I'm aware of currently. And he

550
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: started just by trying to fix up some houses, and

551
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: then it evolved to try to fix some streets and

552
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: then some neighborhoods, and that evolved. He got to the

553
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: point where he had ten thousand volunteers on what he

554
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: called the something called the Sixth Day six days of

555
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: volunteer work removing blight, beautifying neighborhoods, and repairing roofs and boilers.

556
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Speaker 1: This once a year or once he could it.

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Speaker 2: Once a year, six days, six days, ten thousand volto

558
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: volunteers and organizations. It was an intense six day experience.

559
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: And he still does this. He still does it. And

560
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: this got in the chance to know lots of people

561
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: in Detroit. And he was doing this work for several years.

562
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: Slowly he became known. He slowly got requests, so the

563
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: school system asked him if he could do they were renovating,

564
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Speaker 2: could they do some They were thinking, what can we

565
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: do to go past the six days? We have the

566
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: rest of the year, we have our contacts. So they

567
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: started doing some renovation work on some schools and renovating

568
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: some neighborhood assets like playgrounds and stuff like this. And

569
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Speaker 2: then it got to the point where they were thinking,

570
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: what could we do that's even more ambitious than that,

571
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: And the city government they were talking to a particular

572
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: school about something, and then the city government that education

573
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Speaker 2: actually say the education authorities of Detroit came back to

574
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Speaker 2: them and says, actually, what we would like you to

575
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Speaker 2: do is not what you're asking us, we would like

576
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Speaker 2: you to take over this whole middle school and instead

577
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: of beautiful gothic nineteen twenties middle school, because our school

578
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: system is shrinking because of the problems of the population.

579
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Speaker 2: And we're going to take the middle school and put

580
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Speaker 2: it in the high school and we're gonna have this

581
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: hues building. And we can't afford it. Literally, they don't

582
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Speaker 2: have the money to support these buildings, and we're looking

583
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Speaker 2: for someone to take it over and create maybe create

584
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Speaker 2: a hub. And so this is like a great opportunity.

585
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Speaker 2: The building is incredible and like schools used to be

586
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: this these schools there used to be a primary school,

587
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: this middle school in high school. The primary school no

588
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: longer is there, but it's the center of the whole neighborhood. Literally,

589
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: this is how the city was built, very neighborhood bilt. Yes,

590
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: because the schools were neighborhood schools and they were like

591
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: the center of life in the neighborhoods. So he took over.

592
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 2: He got a chance to take this over. They gave

593
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: him an incredibly good deal of fifty year least one

594
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: dollar and he had worked in this neighborhood. He knew

595
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: the leaders in this neighborhood. And he assumed, because he

596
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: was coming in with the chance to invest money and

597
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: build up this as a hub, that people in the

598
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 2: neighborhood would be thrilled because he had been doing stuff

599
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: removing blight, beautifying, repairing homes. But he had this this

600
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: was this is this was a hard experience. So what

601
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 2: I've tried to do in my all, my all, my examples,

602
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: and my whole book, this is a book. Yes, I

603
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: spent part of the book telling us what is wrong,

604
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: but seventy percent of what I try to do, I

605
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: mean I spent I have the focus on neighborhoods, which

606
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: is very unique, and I spent seventy percent of what

607
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do in this work is show people

608
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: what they can do. So I'm in I don't my

609
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: day job. I don't get paid for talking. I get

610
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: paid for solutions. So this book is all about solutions.

611
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: So I just looking deeply. We had to learn what

612
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: his problems were. So he had this big challenge that

613
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: he announced he got this great lease from the government

614
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: to convert this building that would have been abandoned or

615
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: who knows who could take it over, because it literally

616
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: took millions of dollars. He had the fundraise, He thought

617
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: the neighborhood, the community would be thrilled, and he got basically,

618
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: he got a reality check. They were mistrustful, they were angry,

619
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: they called him out, and we need to think a

620
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: little bit about this. Here is a white guy, wasn't

621
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: from the area, and he was living in the suburbs.

622
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: This was a black neighborhood. There's been a long history

623
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: of racial tensions in Detroit. There continues to be some

624
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: tensions in Detroit. This is a city with basically a

625
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: lot of the problems are I can't see all the

626
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: problems with a lot of problems is because white people

627
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: left the city and the city became much poorer, and

628
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 2: investment left the city, and so there's a long history

629
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: and a lot of things that eyes the outsider couldn't

630
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 2: quite understand all the depths of it. But I could

631
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: understand really easy. Black residents don't like this white outsider

632
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: coming in. They're thinking he's taking over this most beautiful

633
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 2: building in our neighborhood. Maybe they're going to take over

634
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: the whole neighborhood and we're going to be kicked out

635
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: or something like that. So he basically had a reality

636
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: check that he had to step back and ask what

637
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: was he doing wrong? Because he had a good intentions.

638
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: Nice guy. I don't think he had any bad intentions,

639
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: but he didn't fully understood stand the people, the place.

640
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: And he had a guy working from a guy named Dwan,

641
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: who the guy in church Chris Lambert. This guy named

642
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: Dwan who I met when I was in Detroit. Really

643
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 2: smart guy. Dwan was from not that neighbor, but from

644
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: a similar neighborhood in the city. He knew exactly what

645
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 2: was going on, and he coached, literally coached Chris and say, Chris,

646
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: you need to spend time just listening. There's not going

647
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: to be a solution. You know, we often think what

648
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: is the solution. First we have to spend time listening.

649
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: Then we have to think about what do we do

650
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: to get people to know us, to trust us. And

651
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: he learned this is like on the job training. Literally

652
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: had to learn it. Go street by street, break bread

653
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: with people, show up over and over again. Look for

654
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: the local leaders. Basically, look for people who you might

655
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: call gatekeepers. These are people who are long standing residents

656
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: the neighbor are like this has got a lot of turnover.

657
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: But there are people who are older who don't leave

658
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: the neighbor they've been there for a long time. And

659
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: he basically identified leaders he brought them in. He eventually

660
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: created an advisor group with a lot of authority of

661
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: local leaders, created a second advisor group of kids students

662
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: because a lot of what they do is for students,

663
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 2: and he basically had to learn. He also changed who

664
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: was working in his organization. His organization was to be honest,

665
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: too white, and too outsider, and he hired more local people,

666
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: and so he changed who was working there. He changed

667
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: basically how he approached people. He changed how he listened,

668
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: and he goes step by step by step, and I

669
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: think the big lesson from this and the big lesson,

670
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 2: and then I'll get to the endpoint, the big lesson,

671
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 2: which is from this whole process. At first, it's it's

672
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: many steps, it's very personal, it's very small group. Food

673
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: helps building trust with the right people because they have

674
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: a larger impact. But in the end, it's it's not

675
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: what we're doing and it's not how we're doing it.

676
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: The first thing is to who. We have to think

677
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: about the who, and then we think about the when,

678
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: and only then do we think about the what? And

679
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 2: now it tends to be when we want to do things,

680
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: we merely think about what are we doing and how

681
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: we're going to do it. But that's not how where

682
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: we should start. We should start with who are the

683
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: people involved? We have to spend time with the who,

684
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: and then we have to gradually learn when is the

685
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: right time to start talking about the what. And only

686
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 2: then when we get to the what, we begin to

687
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: think about the how and the what and the how

688
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: is being informed by the who and the when. So

689
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: they ended up with three priorities that became the what

690
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: and the how. They learned very well about leaning into

691
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: the community, working with the community. The thirty nine different

692
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: organizations that are in this building today, they are according

693
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: to the priorities, and they're not just invited in. They

694
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: it's insistent that they they have relationships with each other,

695
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: they have relationships with neighbors. There's a lot of effort

696
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: into the relational work. And so again the who.

697
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: And they went, do you mean they built a community?

698
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: So the thing is enough and.

699
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: The incredible thing is now I have data to prove it.

700
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: I wrote this and I published my stuff, and I

701
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: felt he was a great example, and I thought everything

702
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: he was doing about building what we would call again

703
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: the collective efficacy, the social capital, the social cohesion, it

704
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 2: was inherent to his approach and what he had learned,

705
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: what it was doing. And now afterwards, only in the

706
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: last few months. I have two data points. So there's

707
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: there's a local survey Detroit is some Gallop which does

708
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: this big surveying company. There's all these national surveys in Detroit.

709
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: They uniquely have been doing neighborhood surveys about how people

710
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: look at different issues. And one of their questions on

711
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: do you fill your neighborhood is flourishing And here out

712
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: of the blue, this pretty poor neighborhood in the recent

713
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: ranking became number two in the city and how residents

714
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: view their neighborhood is flourishing. So that was one data

715
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: point that this and the second data point is that's

716
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: phenomenon because it's again it's the self perception of the

717
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: neighborhood has been transformed, and it maysically means people are

718
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: their attitude towards each other place and institutions have changed.

719
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: And the second data point is this place used to

720
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: be top ten in crime and now it's near the

721
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: bottom and crime. So actually the safety of the place

722
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: has changed because the people's attitude towards each other and

723
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: the place has changed. And so there's two data points

724
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: that I didn't that I didn't actually know when I

725
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: leaned into the story. I lead into the story because

726
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: of the person and how what we can learn from

727
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: him and what we can learn from all the people involved.

728
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: But this is where we actually see results. It's incredible

729
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: that he has those results.

730
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: And it's incredible that those results happened as a result

731
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: upholding community infesting in the neighborhood and employing all of

732
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: the normal people from around that area to be part

733
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Speaker 1: of the answer.

734
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Speaker 2: Yes, they might, they make him say, they make the

735
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: thing is he learned. First of all, they brought a

736
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: lot of institutions in. So some of them are economics,

737
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: some of them are local businesses, some of them are

738
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: like health or or things for kids, you know, different things.

739
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: But they did all these things, so the placeroom from

740
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: institutional desert to institutional abundance. They brought in lots of

741
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: local people to play a role, and they have this

742
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: ongoing relationship. So it literally changes everything and the local

743
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: people's attitude towards everything is different. We could do the

744
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: same everywhere. That's the key point.

745
00:44:49,160 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. What did Chris learn about building trust?

746
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 2: So when Chris's original goal was bringing people together, that's

747
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: his original vision before he figured out all these details,

748
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: and when he started, he thought that that would be

749
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: something about dialogue. But what he learned over time was

750
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 2: you don't build trust encourage people to talk with each other.

751
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: You build trust by having people do things with each other.

752
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,959
Speaker 2: And so literally, when he has this volunteer a six

753
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: day volunteer activity with ten thousand people, or he has

754
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: his practical work in this particular neighborhood I talked about

755
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 2: when people roll up their sleeves and they work together

756
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: to beautify a place, to work with people from a

757
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 2: different neighborhood, from a different part of the city. They

758
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: and they spend hours with each other. They're talking, not

759
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: about anything important that it's a lot of it's small talk.

760
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: But if you working together on the street, on the house,

761
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: on planting bushes, whatever it might be, planting flowers or whatever,

762
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: working to help individuals, and you dot it for hours

763
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: upon hours, you're building a relationship. You're gradually getting deeper

764
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: and deeper, and you haven't actually brought up anything that

765
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: would be quote unquote a dialogue, but that you've built

766
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: a relationship from the work. You don't build a relationship

767
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: from the dialogue. And I think this is a mistake

768
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: of people who try to say, let's how do we

769
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: depolarize our country. We need to get people who disagree

770
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 2: to come together. I totally disagree. We need to get

771
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: people in their place to come together. The work on

772
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: making the place better and the trust and everything that

773
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: goes with it will be a result of the work.

774
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: It won't be the goal of the work. It will

775
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: be an outcome of the work.

776
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: It becomes. It is phenomenal because this is more practical experience,

777
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: But it is phenomenal how conversations about race and creed

778
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: and religion and all that other stuff are so easy

779
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: and civil and unthreatening when you have them with people

780
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: that you have a foundation of respect for because of

781
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: what you've done together. You can have those conversations. Yeah,

782
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: you can have dialogue about differences when there's a foundation

783
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: of respect and trust between the two people have in

784
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: that conversation. And what you're saying is you build that

785
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: foundation and trust to then have that dialogue based on

786
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: interacting with one another doing stuff together.

787
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: I would say, if you ask our biggest problem is

788
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: a country, we've weakened that foundation tremendously. We don't have

789
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: the we used to have this foundation that neighbored by

790
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: neighbor existed, and the foundation is gone or in deep,

791
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: deep decay, and we need to rebuild that foundation simply

792
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 2: by doing things together place by place. And it also

793
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 2: creates a I would have to stay on a larger skill.

794
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: Not only is it with each other, it creates a

795
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: different relationship between us and broader society today. So much

796
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: about what happens politically, economically, everything it's being done to us,

797
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: and we feel kind of disempowered, passive, alienated, frustrated. If

798
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: we were actually to do things locally, we begin to

799
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: have a real stake in society, and we begin to

800
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: have agency, and we begin to feel we actually can

801
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: make a difference, and our attitude towards everything else changes

802
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: as well. I think it works on two levels with

803
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: each other and with broader society as well.

804
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: So you're saying a strong foundation matters, and if it's fragile.

805
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: Fragile foundation leads to a fragile society.

806
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

807
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: Yes, totally agree.

808
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: When we're talking about the health of neighborhoods for the

809
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: health of our country, it's interesting that the actual health

810
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: of the people in those neighborhoods differ so significantly. And

811
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: I can't remember where I read it. It may have

812
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: been Detroit, but we're somewhere where you said that the

813
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: life expectancy of one group of people was like in

814
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: the sixties and the other was almost in the nineties,

815
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: but they're only five miles from each other. What you

816
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: explain that.

817
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so lifespan is a crude barometer of how well

818
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: a place is doing. I mean, there's other things we

819
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 2: can look at. And I said earlier that one way

820
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: you can see that American society is not healthy is

821
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: that the fact that our average lifespan has diverged significantly

822
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: from similarly rich countries.

823
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the red many of the been just going up.

824
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: Yes, there's been a divergence gradually for forty years. We've plateaued.

825
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: Let's put COVID aside. But COVID was actually worse here

826
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: than most of these other countries. So you have this

827
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: chart where you consider this divergence. But if you look

828
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: in America, what's so stark is the difference in lifespan

829
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 2: based upon where you live between the worst and the

830
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: best place. It can be forty years. I think a

831
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: more typical difference is twenty years. A more typical difference

832
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,479
Speaker 2: is probably in a city like Memphis. I know it's true.

833
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: In Washington, d C. I know it's true. I was

834
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: speaking to some people recently that were in the healthcare profession.

835
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: They were talking about the suburbs of Kansas City, and

836
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 2: I think in most most parts of America you can

837
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: find a twenty twenty five year gap in lifespan just

838
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: a couple of miles apart. I live here, it's going

839
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: to be eighty five or even higher. I live here,

840
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: it's going to be in the mid sixties. And if

841
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: you are born in these places, not only do you

842
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: have enormous differences in terms of your immediate surroundings, you

843
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: have more enormous differences in your whole life prospect, including

844
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: your lifespan.

845
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: Again, all about community. It's all about community. It's all

846
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: about place. It's all about communities, and it's health and

847
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: other things.

848
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: So a good example of this is there was a

849
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: great study about two neighborhoods, North and South Lawndale in Chicago.

850
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: They were equally poor. And in nineteen ninety five there

851
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: was this incredible heat wave three days and if you

852
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: look at the in some some well known academic went

853
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: and looked at a study of these two neighborhoods, looked,

854
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: actually looked across the city. But what stood out was

855
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: these two neighborhoods. They were both they were equally poor.

856
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 2: One neighborhood very few people died. Another neighborhood a lot

857
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: of people died. I don't know the numbers. Let's say

858
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: over one hundred people died and here maybe a few

859
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: people died. And the big difference. He did what he

860
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: called the social autopsy. Basically, he did a social author

861
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: that's the term he used as social autopsy, did an

862
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: outopsy of the society, the neighborhood. Very few people dying.

863
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: It's like a little society, had lots of connection and

864
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: lots of like small businesses, local association.

865
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: Even though it was not a wealthy community. It was poor.

866
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: Social and material poverty are not the same thing. You

867
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: can be in a place that you have both, and

868
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: you can be in a place that's so it's economically

869
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: poor and socially rich. And you can be in a

870
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: place that's economically rich and socially poor. And I bet

871
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: if our listeners would look at their lives and look

872
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: at the places around them, I bet they could find

873
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: examples of both. So the place that was disconnected had

874
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: six times as many deaths as the place that was

875
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: that was equally poor but socially well connected.

876
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: And we're talking three miles apart, same heat.

877
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: Wave, same heat wave, same income level, more or less,

878
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 2: and six times more deaths in one neighbor than another.

879
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: Simply the one neighborhood, very strong community, and one day

880
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: where it was very very much people were isolated, disconnected

881
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: from each other. And I'll give just briefly another example,

882
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: because to do these examples, you need similar places, and

883
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: you need what's called a natural experiment, like a heat wave.

884
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 2: Another example, if you looked at like Japan during the tsunami,

885
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: this hit like the northeast part of Japan. So somebody

886
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: else looked at that, looked at all the towns on

887
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: the coast, and he could show from his results the

888
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: towns that were more socially disconnected. People went back and

889
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: informed everybody, and they got out the towns that had

890
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: the most deaths, and tragically, in one of these towns,

891
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: it was actually a school with the kids. We're not

892
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 2: told to leave the school. The towns that had the

893
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: most social disconnection had many more deaths. So this is

894
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: something that you can see over and over again during

895
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: a crisis. But I think you could see it during COVID.

896
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: Neighbors that had strong connection people came together. They didn't

897
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 2: they didn't stand up. People were more icoated from each other,

898
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: and just imagine that day in and dawn and how

899
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 2: that affects people's lives.

900
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: It is fascinating. We will be right back. It's it's interesting.

901
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: I've been taking lots of notes. Neighborhoods are the building blocks,

902
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: places or units of change. Measure the neighborhoods and their success.

903
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: Great neighborhood centers, school think.

904
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: The neighborhood centered thinking for all of our institutions.

905
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: Right for schools, Department of Housing, small businesses. You need

906
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,959
Speaker 1: strong institutions. You need the with role of connectivity UH,

907
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: local leader development, local leadership development which is brilliant UH.

908
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: And you need neighborhoods to be attractive, and you need

909
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: institutional richness where you're investing locally and you have stewardship

910
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: of your place where you live, have stewardship of the

911
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: needs there. And as we talk about reimagining or building

912
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: these institutions, the question then is who does that. Well,

913
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: it's the same answer, normal folks who want to invest

914
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: in that neighborhood and their corner of the world. Yes,

915
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: but if we had an army millions of people investing

916
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: in and doing this very thing and their zip code,

917
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: think of what country looks like in twenty years.

918
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 2: I mean, that to me is what we want to

919
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 2: We want to encourage people to do that. I mean,

920
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: if you the thing that is so magical when you

921
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: live in one of these neighborhoods and when enough of

922
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 2: it is happening, this like a tipping point, and it's

923
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 2: just it's amazing how many people are just doing something

924
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: and it's just it's unreal. I mean, we have so

925
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: many institutions, we have so many again people that you

926
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: would not think are leaders, they step up and be leaders.

927
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: It's something in the water we're drinking. It's in the culture.

928
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: And the thing is, if you're in a place that's

929
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: not like that, you have to do enough of it

930
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: so it becomes like that. That's the real question that

931
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: we all have to ask.

932
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: That's conversely to your neighborhood. Think about these abysmal neighborhoods

933
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: where nobody's doing anything, yes, and ask yourself. You don't

934
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself very long, Well why does it

935
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: look like this? Well, nobody's investing in their place, in

936
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: their institutions and the people inside it. I mean, it's

937
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: a vicious cycle. You need to how do we go

938
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: from vicious to virtuous cycle? And the thing is, so

939
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: it's going to need some social and sometimes some financial investment.

940
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: The thing is you want to do enough of it.

941
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: It's a tipping point so you create the virtuous cycle.

942
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: That's the real question that we have to ask ourselves.

943
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: Where are you working right now?

944
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: You mean where am I working? I'm not where I

945
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: know you got job practically, I'm I'm I'm looking for

946
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: cities and institutions to take this work. I'm already starting

947
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 2: in Fort Wayne and north what's that northeastern India in

948
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: the act.

949
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: Tell me what that looks like.

950
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's so we're going to be doing is

951
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: We're going to be developing. We're going to take both

952
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: of the issues I raised, place based inequality as wrong

953
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: as this connection, and we're gonna we're going to develop strategy,

954
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: and we're going to work with government, work with philanthropy,

955
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: work with lots of different actors, try to bring in

956
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: and develop a strategy for the city, for the for

957
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: the to move forward with these ideas. So that will

958
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: likely mean prioritize a few neighborhoods, do things that will

959
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: help across neighborhoods, maybe try to work on creating a

960
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: model neighborhood, something that can be an example to everything else.

961
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: And I don't think that's that's quick, but it's something

962
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: that I'm really happy to have an opportunity to lean

963
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: into this. And I think over time, we want, we

964
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: want to create models. If you create a couple of

965
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 2: places that lean into this work and they show what's possible,

966
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: we're going to We're hopefully going to create like a

967
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: cascading impact that a model follow. That's the point when

968
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: people see what works. I mean, I've spoken to lots

969
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: of places. I've been in Louisville. I've been I mean,

970
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: I've been here only a few months ago, talking to

971
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: some of your leaders. I've been in Grand Rapids, I've

972
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: been in Indneapolis, particularly this part of the country, the

973
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: Midwest to south, through Texas through northern Florida. A lot

974
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: of interest in these ideas, and I've been to about

975
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: a dozen of these places in the last six months.

976
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: And so this is the first one that I've made

977
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: a long term commitment, and I think over time our

978
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: goal is to make a lot from commitment to a

979
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: couple of places and then create models that others can

980
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: learn from, but also see what's possible and you could scale.

981
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: We can scale, yes, for sure.

982
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: So like a community foundation in Fort Wayne reaches out

983
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: and says, we recognize our problems, we love what we

984
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: hear about, and then you go work with them to

985
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: address the places and disconnectivity, to focus on neighborhoods inside

986
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: their community and kind of I guess almost grimlin it

987
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: from there, put water on it, let them keep popping

988
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: up and grow well.

989
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: Fort Wayne is perfect size, three hundred four hundred, five hundred,

990
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand, really good size to do this work.

991
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 2: You go to a really big city. It's a lot.

992
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: It's like a Chicago. I've been to Chicago. Talk to

993
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: people there that that is, you're most likely going to

994
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: work on single neighborhoods. But when you get to a

995
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: city of three to six hundred thousand or something around that,

996
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: you actually can think on this city level. Wow, so

997
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: you can actually think strategic. You can think on the

998
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 2: city level, and you can say we're going to strategically

999
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: choose two or three places, and then we're going to

1000
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: and again, if you look at a map. This is

1001
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 2: why maps are so important in all my work overseas domestic.

1002
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: Look at the map, try to see what's going on

1003
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: in the city, Where are their assets, where there's possibly

1004
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: some existing investment, where a place is located near each other.

1005
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: When you do this work, you have to be very

1006
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: strategic in terms of what you prioritize. So at place

1007
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: like three hundred thousand, you can actually be pretty clear

1008
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: we started a couple of these neighborhoods and ideas, there

1009
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: are going to be a lot of spillovers and a

1010
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: lot of spin offs and ideas that we actually do

1011
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: enough so that we'll have a cascading effect. That's the

1012
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: real goal. I can speak because I know Atlanta. I mean,

1013
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 2: I know the people doing this kind of work in Atlanta.

1014
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: Atlanta is the one city where they're really doing something

1015
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: like this on a city wide level. The mayor has

1016
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: come in, the mayor has got a neighborhood centered approach,

1017
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 2: and they're working all the way through the problems. And

1018
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 2: I'm personally watching them very carefully, and I'm doing what

1019
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: I'm learning from Dallas and from all these other places

1020
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 2: I've worked in, and we're going to learn from them

1021
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 2: and create them, create a combination of these models that

1022
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 2: we can apply.

1023
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: That is fantastic question. Ultimately, though the plan and the

1024
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: data points and the maps and everything else, you still

1025
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: got to have people to pull it off.

1026
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: It's all going to be I mean, my job is

1027
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,919
Speaker 2: My job is never to replace the people. My job

1028
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: is to facilitate, catalyze, provide some lessons learned, teach, educate.

1029
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: I will be humble and say that I'm here to

1030
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 2: share experiences, and the thing is what is best for

1031
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: any particular place. We always have to be careful. This

1032
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 2: is what I learned in all the countries I work in.

1033
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: These are things that have worked elsewhere, These are ways

1034
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: to do things, and ideally, local leaders should decide what

1035
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: is most suitable for their context. So I never want

1036
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: to go in and say this is the rule book,

1037
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: this is the way forward. I want to go in

1038
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: and hey, these are different ways to do this work.

1039
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,919
Speaker 2: These are different lessons we can learn. What do you think,

1040
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: because again, there's always going to be politics involved, there's

1041
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 2: always going to be different players involved, there's going to

1042
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: be obstacles. All of this will be context specific. I'm

1043
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: going to go in and with my toolkit, with my

1044
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: lots of lessons learned, lots of different experiences, and be

1045
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: open for again, this is how I live my life.

1046
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 2: We need to be open to where the journey takes us.

1047
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 2: The fact that I'm even doing this work six seven

1048
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: years ago couldn't have imagined because I was flying around

1049
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: the world. And when I work on Fort Wayne or

1050
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: I work on other places, we need to be open

1051
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 2: so that the place itself will dictate to a certain extent,

1052
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: what's the pathway forward?

1053
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,479
Speaker 1: It just kind of feels like the two as long

1054
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: as you stick with your two leading doctrines. We got

1055
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: to fix places, and we've gotta have connectivity. How we

1056
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: do that in a particular area depending on the people

1057
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: and the politics and the things.

1058
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 2: That's malleable connectivity we need an abundance of institutions, We

1059
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: need to be neighborhood centric. And then it terms out

1060
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: beyond buty on that. There's a lot of ideas. People

1061
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 2: have to tell me what they think is most useful

1062
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: that is, and then and then I'll tell them it's

1063
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: been tried here, that's not I'm not sure that. I mean,

1064
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a dialogue, a feedback, I mean, clearly,

1065
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: but ideally you need and this is stuff you have

1066
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: to stick with.

1067
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: For a but you definitely have your forty thousand foot

1068
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: guiding principles. And then inside that framework, as long as

1069
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: you have an open approach, you listen, and you have

1070
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: people willing to invest, yes, and those guiding principles of

1071
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: improving places, institutions and connectivity. Then you start repairing neighborhoods

1072
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: one at a time with this army of people wanting

1073
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: to get this connectivity and their places back. And then

1074
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: places change.

1075
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: Yes, places will change. And if you go to places,

1076
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: I already know it because I'm already doing working. Here's

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Speaker 2: a city I knew very little about, and you can

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Speaker 2: very easily if you look, find local people who want

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Speaker 2: to do things. And the big question is how do

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Speaker 2: you leverage that energy, how do you leverage the desire.

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Speaker 2: There's certainly people in the city government who want to

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Speaker 2: do things, there's people in the business philanthropy, so you

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Speaker 2: have people with an interest, and the big question is

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Speaker 2: how do you combine these how do you bring them together?

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Speaker 2: How do you lay out ideas and how do we

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Speaker 2: facilitate a process so that lots of places and people

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Speaker 2: will benefit from that.

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Speaker 1: I honestly find this both fascinating and incredibly encouraging because

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Speaker 1: we get all the time, I'm so inspired by this story.

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed inspired that story. My heart is tugged on

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Speaker 1: so but but how how do I? How do I?

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Speaker 1: And I mean this is how on a on a

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Speaker 1: pretty grand scale, that all filters down to normal people

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Speaker 1: doing what they can in their little corner of the

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Speaker 1: world to be part of this big tint of change.

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Speaker 2: And it's a framework for the army.

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Speaker 1: It's a framework.

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Speaker 2: I hate too. I hate too. I want to be

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Speaker 2: I want to be modest here. But what I w

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Speaker 2: I when you go around looking this is what my

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Speaker 2: day job is, creating works for social change. If you

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Speaker 2: think about what they do in all the countries, is

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Speaker 2: that we all talk about wanting to work on many

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Speaker 2: of these issues, and I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: great things being done. But the more we work within

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Speaker 2: this framework and the more we think neighborhood centric and

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Speaker 2: just thinking across a map about if you'repecially, if you're

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Speaker 2: a leader in a city, or you're a leader of

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Speaker 2: some philanthropy or some nonprofit or even business. When you

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Speaker 2: begin to think in terms of this framework, you begin

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Speaker 2: to have an idea where might you funnel your energy.

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Speaker 2: It's not just to help people. How do we help

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Speaker 2: people in a way that will be self sustaining, self replicating,

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Speaker 2: and be able to create scale. Again, we're trying to

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Speaker 2: create virtuous cycles of change so that our efforts can

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Speaker 2: go to another place eventually.

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Speaker 1: Effective and efficient. If people, how do people? I gotta believe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is so interesting and I don't know

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Speaker 1: you know how often you get to interact with a

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Speaker 1: person who spent their entire professional life actually studying and

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Speaker 1: coming to the conclusions that you've come to to then

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Speaker 1: use those conclusions to try to better communities. If somebody

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Speaker 1: wants to hear more, learn more, or are interested in

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Speaker 1: maybe having you speak with their community foundation, whether what's

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Speaker 1: the best way to get in touch with you.

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Speaker 2: They can first, you know my name, you can go

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Speaker 2: to The easiest thing is you go to LinkedIn. So

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Speaker 2: I'm on LinkedIn, pretty active on LinkedIn.

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Speaker 1: Seth kaplan s E s E t h k A

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Speaker 1: p l A N.

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Speaker 2: Or you can find my web I have a website

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Speaker 2: seth kaplan dot o RG. Or you can just email

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Speaker 2: me my first name s E t h at, my

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Speaker 2: whole name s E t h k A p l

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Speaker 2: A N period O RG. And I'm very grateful for

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Speaker 2: anyone who reached out, and I try my very hardest

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Speaker 2: to help anybody, and I'm just thrilled to be useful

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Speaker 2: for people who want to lean into this work.

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Speaker 1: Fabulous, phenomenal and awesome, Seth. I will be thinking about

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Speaker 1: stuff you've said two and three days from now. It

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Speaker 1: is so odd that a dude with a podcast trying

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Speaker 1: to trying to tell stories of normal people doing amazing

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Speaker 1: things to try to generate a larger group of people

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Speaker 1: to do more inspired by the stories they hear, bumps

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Speaker 1: into a guy who, from a very scientific standpoint, has

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Speaker 1: arrived at the same conclusions that it's going to take

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Speaker 1: normal people doing little things in their communities, building their neighborhoods.

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Speaker 1: But if we had an army of people doing that,

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Speaker 1: we really can verse so much of what's happened in

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Speaker 1: the last few decades in our country. And I'm so

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Speaker 1: inspired that that notion is basically an agreement in the

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Speaker 1: work we're doing, and you're doing well.

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Speaker 2: I'm inspired that you have spent the time and energy

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Speaker 2: to build the podcast and to come up with the ideas.

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Speaker 2: And I certainly believe it's the case. We can't wait

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Speaker 2: for people to come from wherever and to help us.

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Speaker 2: We need to step up and do it ourselves. And

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Speaker 2: we can accomplish far more than we think we can

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Speaker 2: if we just make an effort and we find others

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Speaker 2: and we create allies, and we create friends, we work together.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm very grateful for the work you're doing

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Speaker 2: to try and encourage more people to do.

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Speaker 1: This seth kaplan. You guys, he's preaching, don't let ourselves

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Speaker 1: become fragile. He's telling us how, he's telling us what

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Speaker 1: the wor work looks like. I will be getting the

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Speaker 1: book Fragile Neighborhoods Prepairing American Society one zip code at

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Speaker 1: a time. And this was not about plugging you to

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Speaker 1: sell extra books, but I think the read will be

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Speaker 1: valuable and Seth, thanks so much for joining me.

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Speaker 2: No my great pleasure. I'm very grateful to be.

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Speaker 1: Here and thank you for joining us this week. If

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Speaker 1: Seth Kaplan or other guests have inspired you in general,

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Speaker 1: or better yet, to take action, please let me know.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear about it. You can write me

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Speaker 1: anytime at Bill at normalfolks dot us, and I swear

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Speaker 1: to you I'll respond. If you enjoyed this episode, please

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Speaker 1: share with friends and on social Subscribe to our podcast,

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Speaker 1: rate and review it. Join the army at normalfolks dot

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Speaker 1: us consider becoming a Premium member. There all of these

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Speaker 1: things that will help us growth an army of normal

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Speaker 1: folks thanks to our producer, Iron Light Labs. I'm Bill Courtney.

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Speaker 1: I will see you next week.