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Speaker 1: Alright, this is Chase that Lee.

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Speaker 2: This is a Philly show.

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Speaker 3: Hello everybody, Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's Lucky brought

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Speaker 3: to you by the foul Territory Network. It's Friday, October

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Speaker 3: twenty fifth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Gentlemen, how is it going? Ruben?

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Speaker 1: You are in a c Yes, I am do a

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Speaker 1: little more. Got actually a little boor gotta yeah, gotta

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Speaker 1: had a nice little had a nice little steak, a

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Speaker 1: little wine.

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Speaker 4: It up.

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Speaker 5: Way, you gotta do it man, that's what you got.

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Speaker 5: A big stonkey today too.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I did? You did? Yeah, of course, James and

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Speaker 1: I were teeing it up.

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Speaker 3: How Jim do?

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Speaker 1: Jim?

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Speaker 5: How'd you do?

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Speaker 6: Jim's fine, he's fine. He doesn't like his he doesn't

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Speaker 6: like his effort, but he's fine. He doesn't play enough.

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Speaker 1: Enough. Yeah, you gotta play more to be you know,

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Speaker 1: score and stuff. But he had some good shots. Jim's

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Speaker 1: he works on his game. You know, he's a dedicated man,

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Speaker 1: dedicates himself.

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Speaker 5: I don't work on it. That's what I work on it,

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Speaker 5: like and I get frustrated.

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Speaker 1: Playing that playing I'm like, dude, you're not supposed to

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Speaker 1: be good.

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Speaker 2: You don't play enough, right exactly, Let's go out.

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Speaker 1: There and have some fun. It was a beautiful weather

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Speaker 1: out there at the Old Yard cont Club.

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Speaker 2: Oh, very nice, very nice.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna get you out there, Todd.

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Speaker 2: You know I'll get out and play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a busy man. You gotta get found. He

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Speaker 1: got youngsters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now they're all in school.

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Speaker 3: So now I can maybe sneak away for an afternoon

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Speaker 3: and won't figure that out and tee it up. Yeah, absolutely, guys.

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Speaker 3: You guys both knew Fernando Velnezuela. Jim, you covered him

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Speaker 3: the year that he was with the Phillies right ninety four.

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Speaker 3: And then Rubin you, uh did you play with him?

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Speaker 1: I did Fanda with the Angels organization. Jim chatting about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said he passed away this week. I mean

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Speaker 3: I never I saw him in the Dodgers press box

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Speaker 3: all the time. And for me, I was like six

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Speaker 3: seven years old when Fernando Mania hit LA and hit

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Speaker 3: major League Baseball, and so he's he was kind of

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Speaker 3: a larger than life figure for me. When I saw him,

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my gosh, that's Fernando Vaz. A

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Speaker 3: little bit, Jim, what did what? What was your experience

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Speaker 3: like covering him?

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Speaker 5: It was a thrill to cover him because it was

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Speaker 5: my first year of covering the Phillies. It was ninety four,

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Speaker 5: and you know, he had been released by the Dodgers.

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Speaker 5: He went through the Angels. He I think he went

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Speaker 5: ninety four and the Phillies were kind of running out

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Speaker 5: and I went back and looked at his day by days,

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Speaker 5: just to refresh my memory. And so he made He

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Speaker 5: actually pitched pretty well for the Phillies. He made seven stars.

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Speaker 5: He pitched in a game, seven starts. He only pitched

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Speaker 5: forty five innings, and he only struck out nineteen batters

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Speaker 5: But out of those, he made seven starts for the Phillies,

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Speaker 5: and four of them were quality starts. And his second

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Speaker 5: two runs. And I was talking to Bob brook Over yesterday.

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Speaker 5: We both covered that game, and we were talking about Fernando,

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Speaker 5: it was a thrill to cover because I actually remember

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Speaker 5: Fernando Mania in eighty one, and I also looked up

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Speaker 5: eighty one eight straight complete games, wins them all, eight

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Speaker 5: And here's the astounding thing. Fernando pitches five shutouts in

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Speaker 5: Crazy different game, right, but yeah, no doubt. And then

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Speaker 5: you know he passes away. In eighty one, he won

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Speaker 5: that was the year the Dodgers and the Yankees played

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Speaker 5: the World Series, right, yeah, and they're going to play

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Speaker 5: in the World Series again. So he was, Like I said,

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Speaker 5: I used to see him a lot at Dodger Stadium

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Speaker 5: you know, it's always sad when we lose these great characters.

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Speaker 5: He was a real character too, because he really galvanized

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Speaker 5: maybe the Latino fans in southern California, and there are

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Speaker 5: loving on Fernando, and he loved them back with that

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Speaker 5: big smile and that Scroogey. Remember the Scroogie Ruben.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh yes, I do remember it. I never

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Speaker 1: I don't think I ever faced it.

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Speaker 5: You did not.

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Speaker 1: I I don't think I looked it up.

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Speaker 2: You never faced him. You never faced him.

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Speaker 1: But I did, uh, I did play with him. So

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Speaker 1: let me just start off with this. So my dad

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Speaker 1: So my dad, my dad had signed quite a few guys. Well,

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Speaker 1: Fernando was a guy since my dad was Mexican, and

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Speaker 1: As Fernando was getting ready to sign, and I don't

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Speaker 1: But my dad was begging. I remember him begging.

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Speaker 1: We can get Fernando. I guarantee, I've got a great

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Speaker 6: Because they hadn't I don't think they had seen him,

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Speaker 6: And I mean, you imagine, I think there was an

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine that staff in the eighties. But I

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Speaker 6: To make his comeback. He got hurt after like the

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Speaker 6: and he came back with the Angels, and he was

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Speaker 1: And I'm looking at this guy, goes Fernando Valenzuela's here

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing here, dude?

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Speaker 1: We talked to him. He said, he said, he says

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Speaker 1: He said, well you better get married. I said why,

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Speaker 3: And I just looked up his numbers room and he

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Speaker 3: Coming back from the injury at seven starts seven point

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Speaker 5: Did you play on Frozen tundra.

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Speaker 6: We started off one season. One year, we started off

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh my last game, We're like dodging snowflakes

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Speaker 6: It was a meta but you know, we we had

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Speaker 1: Then down south, you know they had Phoenix, Albuquerque, Albuquerque.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Manuel was managing One year he was managing the

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Speaker 6: Year I think he was managing the team and Springs

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Speaker 5: And that's where he used to when they when.

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Speaker 1: The yeah it was I would hit the home run,

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Speaker 1: he would do the yeah, like like Lee Stephen. Guys

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Speaker 1: God dam and all of his pitchers used to hate

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Speaker 1: him because you know, he used to love guys the

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Speaker 1: log ball. You know, Charlie.

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Speaker 2: Managed the Phillies.

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Speaker 3: He said he would love watching guys hit long bombs.

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Speaker 5: He rest in peace. Fernando, idn't but I do know

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Speaker 5: the streets of Edmonton, Reuben.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, it was larger, was large, And no,

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Speaker 1: I will say this, Fernando is a darling about human being.

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Speaker 1: I think each one of those situations is a little different.

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Speaker 6: with the Houston Astros, with the people on that organization,

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00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 6: Tal Smith and others, I just think he had a

439
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 6: lot of information about that.

440
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a big move for us. Billy

441
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: was phenomenal in the team, and it's just rear end

442
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 1: off for us. He was great.

443
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 5: But these were like really strike quick deals. I got

444
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 5: to think they were a little bit on your radar screen,

445
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 5: any even like me. In the second half of the season,

446
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 5: I mean it was clear Ledge, like you said, it

447
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 5: was going to get traded. He had. He just had

448
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 5: a tough time holding onto that closer's job his last

449
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 5: year in Houston. It was time for a fresh start.

450
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 5: Earlier than that, in ninety nine, you guys, I mean,

451
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 5: there's always a reason to make that early trade. You know,

452
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 5: you guys needed to close it. But in ninety nine,

453
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 5: when you get Andy Ashby, yep, from San Diego, I mean,

454
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 5: things were starting to trend upward a little bit. The

455
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,959
Speaker 5: team was getting a little bit better, and you had shilling,

456
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 5: and the feeling was if you can get Ashby, you'll

457
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 5: have a really excellent one two punch. And you made

458
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 5: that trade at the GM meetings. And I remember they

459
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 5: were summer in southern California when you guys made that trade.

460
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 5: I wrote it down. That was Adam eating Carlton Lower

461
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 5: and Steve Montgomery go the other way. You get Andy Ashby,

462
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 5: and the feeling I remember the excitement. There was some

463
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 5: excitement that hey, wow, we got two pretty good pictures.

464
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 5: And then so you get Ashby at the GM meetings

465
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 5: and then like five weeks later, the winter meetings come up,

466
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 5: and that's when it's announced Shilling needs shoulder surgery.

467
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: So it was an awful That was an awful combination

468
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: of things happening because we were really excited about having

469
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: Andy Ashby slide into that number two slot. We ended

470
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: up going with as good as one two punch as

471
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: you can get other than what they've been what they

472
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: were firing out there in Atlanta. So we were pretty

473
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: excited about it, and we found out that Shill's shoulder,

474
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: that he was not good and that we might lose him,

475
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: and that really hurt us because Andy really wasn't necessarily

476
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: prepared to be a number one.

477
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 6: We knew Andy well. I mean, I was his teammate

478
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 6: when he first came to the big leagues in ninety two.

479
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 6: I played with him and he was coming through the system,

480
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 6: and then he ended up getting traded and he came back,

481
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 6: you know, we got him back. But we liked him,

482
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 6: We liked everything about him.

483
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: Great guy. He just I think he probably was feeling

484
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: the pressure.

485
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 6: Of having to be that number one guy and did

486
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 6: not you know, he had to face the number one

487
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 6: every single time, and he really struggled and he got

488
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 6: like this really weird finger infection, believe it or not.

489
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: He got a finger infection. Do you know how he

490
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: got it?

491
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 6: Changing a diaper and he got like in like a

492
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 6: sort of a form of murcia or an infection in

493
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 6: his finger. He didn't, yeah, because he had a blister

494
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 6: or something in it ended up the fecal content ended

495
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 6: up like making Yeah, I'm serious.

496
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: That's crazy ship. That's crazy ship. But it's true unintended.

497
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 3: See now I just got Now, now I just got

498
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 3: in his cause not to change my eighteen months old diapers.

499
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: I gotta I don't want to get Hey, listen, no cuts, listen,

500
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 3: I appreciate this is that's the last I.

501
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 5: Got right with these fingers.

502
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: That can't be getting a uh an infection.

503
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: It's crazy. But then it ended up affecting him. Oh my,

504
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean obviously one of your one of I can't

505
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: remember it was index finger, his middle finger, but in

506
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: one of his finger pitching fingers. Man, No good that

507
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: that that never.

508
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 5: Made Jason Stark's list of wild and crazy injuries. Maybe

509
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 5: we get him on the phone.

510
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: That's because uh my, man, Jeff Cooper kept it on

511
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: the down low.

512
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: Und those like so for the fans that don't get

513
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: aren't in these the war rooms when these trades are

514
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 3: hashed out as much as you remember about Lidge Wagner

515
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: and if you could relate it maybe to today with

516
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: with dombrowskame what they're doing a right?

517
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 2: Do those things happen quickly?

518
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: Or have you have you guys, have you guys already

519
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: touched base with Houston for like weeks and weeks and

520
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: this was just the culmination of that or was it

521
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 3: as simple as you know ed or Pat calling whoever?

522
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: With the with the Astros on a Thursday and the

523
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: deals done on a Sunday.

524
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, every every trade has its own

525
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: sort of life lifeline. You know.

526
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 6: Sometimes you have discussions with a guy in an off

527
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 6: season prior and then you have another discussion with that

528
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 6: that same guy about other players in their system during

529
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 6: the trade deadline and then leading up to it. I mean,

530
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 6: there's all different ways that that these things can happen,

531
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 6: and and you sort of build relationships and build ideas

532
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 6: and think about things and throw you know, throw things

533
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 6: out there, and you also get try to get as

534
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 6: much information from your scouts as you possibly can about

535
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 6: you know, background number one on the player, but also

536
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 6: background on how this organization feels about this player, what

537
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 6: this organization likes from art organization. There's just so much

538
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 6: information that can be gleaned from people who do a

539
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 6: really good job of scouting. So information gathering is one

540
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 6: of the biggest things you could possibly be able to do.

541
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 6: And I think Pat Gillick was Hall of Fame level

542
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 6: as far as that is concerned. I think Ed did

543
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 6: a great job of it because he built relationships with

544
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 6: his scouts and they, you know, he tried to gain information.

545
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 6: I tried to gain as much information from anywhere, from

546
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 6: a clubhouse guy to a trainer to whomever, to try

547
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 6: to glean some information about what do they you know,

548
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 6: does this manager like this guy, does this organization like that.

549
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 6: Sometimes the manager likes the guy and that front office does,

550
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 6: and vice versa. There's all types of dynamics that go on.

551
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: I remember doing it, like the one trade for.

552
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 6: Uh Ben uh the centerfielder from Minnesota then Revere and

553
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 6: you know, and you know, we were kind of dancing

554
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 6: around and they needed pitching and we needed a center

555
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 6: fielder and I was like, I go to to Terry.

556
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: Uh Terry Ryan who was great, and Terry was great.

557
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 6: He did no bullshit. You know, you just go, hey, Terry,

558
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 6: I need a center fielder. I like your guy, ben

559
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 6: I got some pitching here. You might like, let's do this.

560
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 6: Boom boom boom. We sat down in like one of

561
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 6: the off you know, one of the off rooms in

562
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 6: our suite, and pounded out got it done.

563
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I remember that deal.

564
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: I think it was Danny Nobler. Uh might have first

565
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: written or hinted at something cooking with you guys. And

566
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: then that morning at the g at the.

567
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: Rule five draft, Yeah, just pat Pat Gilla goes.

568
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: Up and has a long conversation with Terry Ryan I think,

569
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: and I was like, hmm, this is And then about

570
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: an hour later word broke that that that trade, that

571
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: trade was done.

572
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 5: We're in Nashville.

573
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: Is that Nashville? Okay? Okay?

574
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: I was walking out the door when we got it.

575
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: You're waiting on. There was some question about ben Vere's

576
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: medical because he had some knee issues, and obviously a

577
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: speed guy, you want to make sure his knees okay, right, right,

578
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: And we ended up we ended up sort of taking

579
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: the risk and going with it. He didn't really have

580
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: any issues with it with us. He ended up playing

581
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: pretty healthy he didn't.

582
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 5: He didn't have any diaper issues either.

583
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: He did not no diaper issues.

584
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I looked as I was kind of researching

585
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: all these like early off season trades, I did find one.

586
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: The earliest one I found November nineteen ninety three, Rubin,

587
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: Was that me that you were.

588
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: Traded to Cleveland for Heathcliff Slocum.

589
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: Oh, it happened fast. They had enough that That was

590
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: the early I went.

591
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: On as past this service court, and that's about as

592
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: far back it was, like, I think it went back

593
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: as far as like eighty nine, And the earliest off

594
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: season trade I could find for the Phillies was November second,

595
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three Reuben trade.

596
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: How opsided was that trade? I got like sixty at

597
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: bats in two years, and the Heathcliff went on and

598
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: was in like an All Star that year.

599
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. I mean, you know,

600
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: so a lot of things have to kind of align

601
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: for the Phillies to strike quick this offseason. But you know,

602
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: we thought it would be fun to mention just because

603
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: you know, a week or two into the post off season,

604
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: nothing's happened. Everybody's going to start going where are they going?

605
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 5: To do something.

606
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean I just think that people I

607
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 6: don't trades are done differently in this day and age.

608
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: Everybody's so cautious. Everybody. Nobody wants to get beat on

609
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: the trade. Yeah, everybody's very cautious. They don't want to

610
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: look like a fool in front of the world. Like, dude,

611
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: if you need somebody and you have a need and

612
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: there's a you know, let's just make a trade. Yeah,

613
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: everybody has to try to everybody has to try to

614
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: outsmart everybody.

615
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 6: And to me, I believed in you know, equity. Just

616
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 6: do a trade that that makes sense for both teams

617
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 6: and let's get it done.

618
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: Let's make it happen. Now they're doing three ways and

619
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: four ways, and yeah, okay, somebody always gets somebody always

620
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: gets screwed. There's one guy who was one team that

621
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: always gets screwed in a three way or four way trade,

622
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: one or two.

623
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: Right, Right, That's why day you know, Dave got at

624
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: the trade deadline this year, you got kind of hammered

625
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: a little bit for giving up the two pitching prospects

626
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: for Carlos Stevez. Then that was a steep trice to

627
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: pay for a guy and his his free agent year.

628
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: But you know, now, I'm sure if he leaves and.

629
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: One of those guys pans out sam Alde Garry or

630
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: George class and pans out, they'll get killed. But if

631
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: it's worked the other way and they won the World Series,

632
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 3: and you know you can, you just don't know at

633
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: the time. Either you want the player and you go

634
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: get the player, or you get scared about it and

635
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: you go, I'm not I can't give up George claus

636
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: and to get Estevez.

637
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: And then what if you go get them? If you

638
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: want to go get them, right.

639
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: I believe in that. And listen, prospects or prospects, man,

640
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: until they're in the big leagues. And I'm not saying

641
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: that they don't have value.

642
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 6: They do, But the reality of it is, you can

643
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 6: talk about a prospect and a ball double am and

644
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 6: I got burned by that several times.

645
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 1: So prospects or prospects and and major league players are

646
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: major league players, especially if they're if they're playing well,

647
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: you have the right information on them.

648
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: Right, guys, World Series Game one, World Series Friday night

649
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: at Doctor Stadium.

650
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Who are you guys taking We nailed the nld S predictions?

651
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: Do we miss completely.

652
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: Well, we all picked the Phillies.

653
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: The win beat the Mets in the nl D s Oh, well, yeah,

654
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: come on, they should have. I mean, if that's had,

655
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: it's really didn't. I mean, listen, Yeah, the Dodgers did

656
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: expect exactly. They exposed the Mets for what they are.

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Speaker 6: They're They're picked the pitching staff that doesn't throw strikes.

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Speaker 6: And the Dodgers basically exploited that.

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Speaker 1: They exploited it, and the police did not. What do

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Speaker 1: you got?

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Speaker 5: What do you got, Jim? I'm a little torn. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I I think the uh I'd give the starting pitching

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Speaker 5: on the Yankee side. Sure you got Cole in Game one,

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Speaker 5: but I do like that Dodgers lineup. Man, They're tough

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Speaker 5: and they're deep. I don't know who I guess, you know,

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Speaker 5: if if I had, if you're making me make a pick,

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Speaker 5: I might pick the Yankees. I feel like they got

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Speaker 5: something brewing those two big guys in the middle, the

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Speaker 5: starting pitching. But the Dodgers are tough and dangerous. Bets

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Speaker 5: and Freeman, Oh, Tommy Montcy, Tommy Edmond, probably missus, Osar Tey,

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Speaker 5: Oscar Hernandez. I mean, gosh, I mean it should be

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Speaker 5: a very good series. Really, two great teams, two big payrolls,

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Speaker 5: two big cities, five MVPs. You know, you get GM

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Speaker 5: carl Or Stanton came alive. How many times you try

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Speaker 5: to trade for him? Ruben?

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Speaker 1: I told uh one of the GM's one time. Who

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Speaker 1: was it, I can't remember what it was. I remember

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Speaker 1: the text I sent out, you can have anybody and

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Speaker 1: all the players in my in my organization or Jim Carlo,

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Speaker 1: Mike Hill, I think it was. It was Mike Hill.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was. So I actually asked you, said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I think we're gonna hold on to them. Mike, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I want to see if this is true. I said,

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Speaker 1: it's wide open, take them all.

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Speaker 5: I asked you a question one day about Stanton, like

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Speaker 5: kind of a just a regular old question, and you said,

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Speaker 5: I've tried to trade from ten times. I did, and

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Speaker 5: I quoted you saying that I think the Miami Marlins

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Speaker 5: were coming into town, and I quoted him. I was saying,

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Speaker 5: I've tried to trade for Gin and Carlo ten times.

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Speaker 5: And did you get a call from the Commissioner's office

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Speaker 5: about that?

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Speaker 1: Uh? I got a call from the Commissioner's office on

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Speaker 1: something else. I thought, you can't because you can't. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I did, Maybe I maybe I did.

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Speaker 5: I thought maybe somebody or maybe the Christian's office called

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Speaker 5: somebody and said.

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Speaker 1: No, Ruben can't talk about other players.

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Speaker 3: That's a the lame rule.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I get it, But.

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Speaker 5: Who do you guys got in the series? Well?

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Speaker 2: I would like this.

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Speaker 3: I would like to see the Dodgers win because I'm

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Speaker 3: I love Otani. Who doesn't love Otani? I love Freddie Freeman,

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Speaker 3: Mookie Betts.

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Speaker 2: Come on, he was a guest on the Philly show.

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Speaker 2: You Gotta you gotta pull that guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but uh, I just don't know how if the

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Speaker 3: Dodgers have to bullpen some of these games.

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Speaker 2: Man, they could do it against the Mets, But this Yankees,

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Speaker 2: lamb is it?

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Speaker 1: Are?

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Speaker 3: They just gonna wear them down to the point where

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Speaker 3: they got nothing left at the end of the World Series.

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Speaker 3: So for that reason, I would take the Yankees, just

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Speaker 3: because their lineup can kind of go pound for pound

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Speaker 3: with the Dodgers, I feel like, and uh man, it's

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Speaker 3: just hard to imagine the Dodgers having a bullpen a

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Speaker 3: few of these games and getting away with it again

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Speaker 3: and putting up all those zeros. I mean, you know.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's why I would probably take to take

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Speaker 3: the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be an exciting series.

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Speaker 6: I get a little embarrassed by the fact that these

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Speaker 6: teams can't field five starters.

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Speaker 1: Four starters.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's crazy with these payrolls that they can't. Really,

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Speaker 6: they cannot field four starters.

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Speaker 2: Somebody was hard.

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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to imagine that. Now, my heart

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Speaker 1: is probably with the guys that I really care about,

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Speaker 1: because I have some favorites. Yeah, I love Mookie.

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Speaker 6: I loved him as a when I was coaching with them,

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Speaker 6: but and I love them as a person.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And and Freddie Freeman's always been from from the time

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Speaker 6: he hit the major leagues has been one of my

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Speaker 6: favorite players of all time.

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Speaker 1: And so so my heart goes out to the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: My head says Yankees, just because I think they have

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Speaker 1: a little bit more pitching death. Yeah, that's where I'm at. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so Yankees in seven.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna say Yankees in six.

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Speaker 5: I want to go with the Yankees too. I don't

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Speaker 5: know why, but I think it might go seven. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it just astounds me. You know, listening to New York

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Speaker 5: Sports Radio two three months ago, they wanted Aaron Boone

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Speaker 5: fired Bran four wins from winning the World Series.

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Speaker 1: Cash just bought himself another ten years.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Uh, we'll be last.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't sign. Soo oh, that's right.

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Speaker 2: You said he's out.

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Speaker 3: Cashman wins the World Series. Yankees win the World Series.

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Speaker 3: They don't sign Soto, Cashman out.

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Speaker 1: They win the World Series.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he's gonna sign. Guys.

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Speaker 5: We will be back next week. Hey, Todd, when you

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Speaker 5: change diapers, make sure you wear some gloves.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be pritting some rubber gloves on now. We

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Can't be messing up.

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Speaker 2: Can't be messing up my writing. Fingers, got it.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, You guys want inside scoop? You got it.

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Speaker 5: It was a scoop, all right.

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