1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: It's nine O Gen one engine with Jenny Garth and 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Tory Spelling. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: We're so glad you're you're with us again, Larry, Thank you, 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 2: thank you. 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 3: It's real honored to be here. I'll tell you, I 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 3: love what you're doing for the fans. It's just amazing. 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: Likewise, it feels like we're all you are talking about 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: Beverly Hills nine A two one know as much as 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: we do. 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: I know, it's just uh, you know, there seems to 11 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: be an active ford and you know, as we started 12 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: doing it, and it's uh, it's been a lot of 13 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 3: fun just going back and looking at it and you know, 14 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 3: seeing what we did effectively and sometimes we screwed up, 15 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 3: but the impact of it is just undeniable, which is 16 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 3: you know, never expected. 17 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, you just have so much more insight than we do, 18 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 4: a different insight. 19 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 3: Well, we were on the other side of the hill, 20 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: so we had that insight you know, what was going 21 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 3: on in the overview, and we left the other part 22 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: to Paul, which was, you know, such a fantastic thing 23 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: for us. When Paul was really really at his best, 24 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: it was great for us because we didn't have to 25 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: worry about anything going. 26 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: On there well, I'm so curious for all your answers today. 27 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: I'm like very interested in this particular episode we're talking about, 28 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: which was Luke Perry's last episode the first time. 29 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. I mean that, you know, season six, you know, 30 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: just just to put it in perspective, so when we 31 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: left that, when we left season five, you know, we 32 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: had we had Dylan McKay like dangling over the San 33 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: Jacinto Mountains being warned off to stay away from anything 34 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 3: to do with his his father's death. And uh so 35 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: we always had that hangings. We had that big piece 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 3: of story that we knew, and what we didn't know 37 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: was that, of course Luke wasn't going to sign on 38 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: for the whole season. He had done he had done 39 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: his movie at eight Seconds, and you know, I think, 40 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: you know, he wanted other things, and I think I 41 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: wasn't part of the negotiation obviously, but they worked hard. 42 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: He didn't want to do anything on that season six, 43 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: and they basically got him to agreed to ten episodes. 44 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: So that was our mission to basically sent him out 45 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: with the most exciting episodes we could and of course 46 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: the episodes you know, for us in our manufacturing of 47 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: episodes we always were moving towards sweeps month. Sweeps month 48 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: was November February in May, that's where the money was 49 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: because that's where the advertising rates were. So we had 50 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: to kind of have it all climaxing in November, and 51 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: that's what we did. Now. 52 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 4: So you went out season five having no idea he 53 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 4: would not be coming back. 54 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 3: When we left season five, we did not have any 55 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: idea that he wasn't coming back there, but there were 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 3: talks about it because you know, everyone before the season 57 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 3: had all our deals were picked up. All you guys 58 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 3: had to get in line and they had to sign 59 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: you up for the next year. And it was always, 60 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: you know, a concern there, you know who was going 61 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: to leave, and obviously you know that was you know, 62 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: Luke was a major part of it, so they needed 63 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 3: to get him. 64 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: He's why you didn't have seven year deals. I feel 65 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: like television, they always make it. 66 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: What deals are broken? 67 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 5: Really? 68 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 4: Okay, that was our question because Jenny's manager, Randy had 69 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 4: reminded us that when we all signed on it was 70 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: six year deals. So we didn't understand how. 71 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 3: You know what he just said, I don't care, I'm 72 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 3: not gonna come, I'm not going to perform well, and 73 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: you just say, you know it's going to be a 74 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: bad situation. 75 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 5: What do you did he say why? 76 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: I think he wanted to pursue a movie career at 77 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: that point. I think he felt that he had gotten 78 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: some attention for eight seconds. You know, the movie didn't 79 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: wasn't a hit, but he had, you know, really playing 80 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: laid frosts really well, and people liked him and he 81 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: had some opportunities. I think I looked in his IMDb, 82 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: I was curious. He did three movies in ninety five 83 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: and ninety six, and you know none of I ain't 84 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: ever seen Normal Life, Riot and an Italian movie. So 85 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: that's I mean, that was his plan. He was going 86 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: to shift over, and you know, we wanted the best 87 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: for him, and we wanted obviously send him out well too. 88 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: So I mean we were thrilled to have ten episodes. 89 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, that's a lot to put into ten 90 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 4: episodes and then done. 91 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: Yes, And so we did have that storyline hanging. We 92 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: knew we could make something out of that which would 93 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 3: be kind of thrilling, and you know, we kind of 94 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: looked to the classics and if you look at that 95 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 3: storyline has a lot of Romeo and Juliet, and it's 96 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: a lot of Starcross lovers, a lot of the characters 97 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 3: like father Lawrence becomes a Bruno and and then you know, 98 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: we just you know, we came onto the Tony Tony thing. 99 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: If you remember, there was a music group called Tony 100 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 3: Tony Tony. That's kind of interesting. I literally we thought that, 101 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 3: oh that's pretty cool. We could do that Tony Tony 102 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: and you know, kind of suspend a couple of episodes 103 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: where we don't know who's going after and then he's 104 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: surprised that it's a woman, that Tony. You know, she's 105 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 3: a beautiful woman obviously, and you know, now Luke had 106 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: a lot to do with that casting. His manager, I 107 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: think was the same manager as Rebecca gay Wow, so 108 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 3: that really made it sweet. Originally we had wanted Carrie 109 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: Russell and Whoa and you know, we thought you would 110 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: be great, and I remember distinctly, mister Spelling brings us 111 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: up there says, no, we can't have her because she 112 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: has curly hair, and no wealthy girl would have curly hair. 113 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: What are you talking about? And of course we hired 114 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: Rebecca Gayheart and she has curly hair, but he had 115 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 3: an idea for Carrie Russell to be in his other show, 116 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: Malibou Shorts, but she didn't sit. He didn't tell us. 117 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 6: She's kind of like at that was a wealthy girl 118 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 6: as well. Malch he just was. 119 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: He just was, you know, doing what producers do, just 120 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: manipulating the situation. 121 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 6: That is juicy. Was there anyone else that was up 122 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 6: for it? 123 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: When you like, absolutely not? Those those were the two. 124 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we love the nax seem A girl. 125 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 3: We thought she had the great look because also coming 126 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: off the Kerry Russell thing was he went, oh, she's 127 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 3: just like we wanted for Kerry Russell. 128 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 6: Wow, okay, but she auditioned for it. No, no, well 129 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 6: what did she do. 130 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: To me, mister Spelling? And it was a done deal, 131 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 3: you know, Like I said, Luke was exercising what power 132 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: and leverage she had, which you know you have to 133 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 3: do when you have that leverage, and that's what he wanted. 134 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 6: And we have a meeting Wizard. 135 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 3: Yes, we went over the storyline and you know it 136 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 3: was going to be you know, we felt we had 137 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: good control of the storyline. We kind of felt it 138 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 3: could be really exciting and interesting and if those kids clicked, 139 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: and obviously the fact that Luke really felt strongly about her, 140 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 3: we knew there was going to be something happening there 141 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 3: between them. You know. He was a very good actor, 142 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: very instinctive actor, so we were happy with that. You know, 143 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 3: one thing I wanted to mention, there's something curious because 144 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: I was looking at the whole season overlighte and it 145 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: says this is episode nine, but it actually is episode. 146 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: Ten, and how so how did that happen? 147 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: I'm going to explain what happened Another piece of executive 148 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 3: producing thing. If you notice there's two. What we did 149 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: was this year we actually had two episodes on the 150 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: same week. We had one episode on Monday and one 151 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: episode on Wednesday. And mister Spelling brought us and said 152 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: we had to rush an episode to put on Monday, 153 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: and we weren't quite sure why until we realized that 154 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: the new Darren Starr show Central Park West was premiering 155 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 3: on a Monday, and he wanted to blunt it. He 156 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: was competitive, he was competitive, and he did he killed 157 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: that show. 158 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 5: Yes, he did our show beat that show then that. 159 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: Night, Yes, and that show did never got off on 160 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: the right foot and was canceled I don't know how 161 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: many episodes, but that's what he did. You know, he 162 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: was he was not going to let Darren have success 163 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: on Monday Night. So we so we had an extra episode. 164 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: That's why the counting is all wrong in this season. 165 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: I couldn't figure out why that I remembered, But. 166 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 6: How does that work out? There's already a schedule. What 167 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 6: was on Monday Night? Tip clean there? 168 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: Whatever it was at Fox, they cleared it out. They 169 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: cleared it out, you can do that. We had a 170 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: lot of power at that point. We were really a 171 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: hit show. I mean we were probably one of their 172 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: only hit I wonder if. 173 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: It was still Melrose or if Melrose had moved already. 174 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well Melros was following us at that point. 175 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: I think so, so maybe WHOA wait on that note, 176 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: that brings me to my main question about this particular 177 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: episode is it does feel like a lot of juicy 178 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: stuff is squshed. Why was this not like a two 179 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: hour movie event? 180 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: Wow? I mean, uh, you know, I never you know, 181 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 3: no one ever approached us about that. And I think 182 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: we thought we could do it. You know, you know, 183 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: we had we had been you know, laying it out, 184 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: and you know, we we had plotted it out pretty good. 185 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: But yeah, it would have been pretty amazing as a 186 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: two hour but no, no one, no one. That was 187 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: never an option, never present anyone. 188 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: Remember, like, was it marketed as Luke Perry's fine episode 189 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: or no, hmm, it's like these days, this final episode 190 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: of Grace because. 191 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: They wouldn't want the audience to know. Is there ever 192 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 4: a moment where you thought we shouldn't kill Rebecca gay 193 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 4: art off she could be a great new series regular 194 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 4: or now you know, we. 195 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: Have a saying sometimes you just have to serve the show. 196 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: And we know we were not going to bring it back. 197 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: We felt the power was in and again when Luke left, 198 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 3: we did not think he was coming back. He did 199 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 3: not give us any indication that he wanted to come 200 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 3: back ever, So so that was really it. So yeah, 201 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 3: I mean that was you know, he kind of was 202 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 3: dounbe with TV and we's got to move on, which 203 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 3: we respected. Uh No, So I don't I think that 204 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: it was always once once we realized we were going 205 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: to tell this this story and go all the way 206 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: with it, that no, she unfortunately had to end. And 207 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: I think they marketed like someone's going to die tonight, 208 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: or not on two and oh so you didn't know, 209 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: you know, so I think that was that was the 210 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: hook on that episode, you know, because it obviously Luke 211 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: could have died in that episode, but she was in 212 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 3: the wrong place at the wrong time. 213 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: Do you remember, were you guys worried that the ratings 214 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: were going to drop? I mean, Brenda left, Jim and 215 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: Cindy left, now Dylan left, Like, were you guys concerned? 216 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 3: You know, as you know, doing thirty two episodes a year, 217 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: I didn't have to worry about that. My job was story. 218 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 3: So other people are worried about that, but I had 219 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 3: to just plow ahead and just keep turning out where 220 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: we're going to fill out thirty two hours. So luckily 221 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: for me, I didn't have to worry about that. But yeah, 222 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 3: of course there was word. There was worried when Brenda left, 223 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 3: and you know, thank god Tiffany came in and you know, 224 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: brought a different dimension to the show, the kind of 225 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: bad girl thing we hadn't had. And no, we didn't, 226 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 3: you know, it was definitely going to be We knew, 227 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: we knew in our hearts that when once Luke left, 228 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: there'll be a little bit of erosion. In the in 229 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 3: the in the show. But we just kept, you know, 230 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: working on our great stars that we had and try 231 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: to give them the best stuff we could to you know, 232 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: make compelling television. And you know, amazing that no one 233 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: ever did as many episodes as we did in prime 234 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 3: time ever again, it was never happened. And so he 235 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: said to all of us, are for trooping through on 236 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 3: that stuff. It was hard. 237 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 5: I'm feeling the damage. 238 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: Now. 239 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: You just stay through season ten, Larry, No, I was. 240 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: I was let go after seven. Season seven, Jason. At 241 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: that point, we wish you had st producer. They wanted 242 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: the show to go in a different direction. They didn't 243 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 3: quite understand what we had at that point. Because again, 244 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 3: as you know, as the actors, it was hard to 245 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 3: keep coming back, you know, and it was hard keeping 246 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: the actors in line and they want, you know, they 247 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 3: you know, it was hard. I have to say one thing, Tory. 248 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 3: Every time we put a new script out, you were 249 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: excited to see it, and I love that about you. 250 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 3: You had this great energy and whereas because it was hard. 251 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: It's hard, you know, we had done three hundred episodes 252 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: or two hundredth episodes and just keep wondering what what's 253 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: this going to be about for me? So we understood 254 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: the you know, the the the wearisomeness. But no, I 255 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: mean after episode after season seven, No, they had to 256 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: like carry me out of that building. I didn't want 257 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: to go. No, Jason wanted to become executive producer, and 258 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: they wanted to have a clean, new shot and do 259 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: a different thing. And what happened was, you know, our 260 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: simple template was very simple. These were ordinary kids living 261 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 3: extraordinary lives. Now when we left, when you know, Jessica, 262 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: Steve and Chuck and everybody left, the whole template changed 263 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: to extraordinary kids living ordinary lives. All of a sudden, 264 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 3: Jason had a little newspaper you were a retail shot. 265 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 3: That would never have happened if I was there. We 266 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 3: were going to have ordinary kids living extraordinary lives. You're 267 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 3: going to be doing great stuff. But at that point, 268 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: you know, we didn't know. I want to say something else, 269 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 3: because in the marketplace of Hollywood, it was not considered 270 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: a good show at that time. It was considered a 271 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: spelling show, which meant it was kind of a little 272 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 3: bit less. The writing was kind of hacked. You were 273 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: a hack if you worked on that show. I never 274 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 3: worked for Fox again after that show. I was told repeatedly, Uh, 275 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: it's just too bad you weren't on a good show. 276 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: Of course, now thirty years later, it's a great show. 277 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 3: So it just shows you how we just met ones. 278 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: We were happy, you know, doing what we do. We 279 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: knew the fans were out there, and we had to 280 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 3: really come through for the fans because they knew the 281 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: show better than us. That's why we were so careful 282 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: in those seven years in this oral side of what 283 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: we were telling. And after you know, season seven, that 284 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: was never really no one had that continuity of the past. 285 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 4: And there there, my poor dad was always labeled like 286 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? Like it was always like, oh, 287 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 4: it's a spelling show, or do TV before that, like 288 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 4: Charlie's Angels, And it could never have substance. 289 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: No, it it was a bad rap. It was because 290 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: people didn't really watch the show. They didn't realize the 291 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: dimension of the storytelling and what. 292 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 6: We were really did watch the show. 293 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: Yet, I met the tastemakers. The taste makers, I mean 294 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: didn't really you know, it was just it was just 295 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: not considered. It was just a spelling show. And we 296 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: get the last laugh, which is great. 297 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: You said before that Jason had a part in your 298 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: departure and he wanted to be executive producer. So what 299 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: that meant there was no room for you? Or how 300 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: did that happen? And do you have a certain kind 301 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: of feelings because of it? 302 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: You know, Jason and I have talked about We're really 303 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: good friends. Now we laugh about it. But at the time, again, 304 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: he didn't want to come back to the show either. 305 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: So to make the deal with him, they were going 306 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: to make him the executive producer and in his vision 307 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: of executive Brewster, he was going to change the show totally, 308 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: and that's what he tried to do and then kind 309 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: of lost Interesting, Jenn, are. 310 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 6: You hearing this for the first time. 311 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'll tell the story and Jason, hey 312 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: hates the story, but he knows it's true. The tiping 313 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: part for me from when I was let go for 314 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: the closing up, so you know where Kelly Taylor's Father's 315 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: going to throw this big party. I remember being up 316 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: in mister Spelling's office and tell you the good news 317 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: is what I was going to do for the party. 318 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: I had arranged for the Spice girls who were in town. 319 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: To be on the show. Oh what, And Jason had 320 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: a fit. He said, that's everything that's. 321 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 6: Wrong with the show, naked ladies. 322 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 3: So and he got the Cardigans instead, and that was 323 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: kind of, you know, that was the end for me. 324 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 3: I was kind of out of touch with what the 325 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 3: show should be and you know, it just but he 326 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: laughs at that. 327 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 6: Oh my god, WHOA. 328 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: I can kind of see where he might have been 329 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: coming from with that. 330 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 5: Particularly it was. 331 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: He didn't want to be so on the mar you know, 332 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: and again he wanted it to be a little bit 333 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 3: you know sex year. I mean, I can I get 334 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: it too. And like I said, Jason and I are 335 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 3: really good friends. Now we can kind of laugh about it. 336 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: But that's what goes on in the middle and showmaking 337 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: for a long running show, because you have to have 338 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: people happy, especially the actors. And that was that was 339 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 3: the deal to make Jason executive PRUSI because otherwise he 340 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: wasn't going to sign and then the show was how 341 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: they got to get picked up. We'd be losing Luke 342 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: and Jason in the same year. 343 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 4: Well, in hindsight, we can tell you of two of 344 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 4: the four cast members that stayed on all ten seasons. 345 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 6: We missed you. 346 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: Oh thank you, honey. 347 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 4: It was definitely different seasons eight, nine and ten, Yes, definitely. 348 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: Well, they they lost what the show was the center 349 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: of it, and it just became all they could do 350 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: then was turned into a soap proper because they didn't 351 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: really have the right bearings on it. I mean, you know, anyway, 352 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: it's the first seven and the seasons are really remarkable, 353 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: and that's what people cling to for the most part. 354 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 3: I the fans. 355 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: I do say that it does jump the shark a 356 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: little bit. After no disrespect to Jason, where would you 357 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: have liked to see? How would you have had them 358 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: living extraordinary lives? 359 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,119 Speaker 3: Well, you know, Jason had already had one a Drier scholarship. 360 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: He would you know, have been be the beginning of 361 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: a power Brook maybe be the assistant to the mayor 362 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 3: of Los Angeles, and Steve would be an intern at 363 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 3: a major UH sports agency or something like that. And 364 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: you girls, you know, you'd have some fashion stuff going on, 365 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: you know, and Jenny was working on the psychologist I 366 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: mean yeah, I mean ye Kelly was working on her 367 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 3: psychological things. So it's hard hard to say exactly what 368 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 3: we'd be doing with that, but we would be being 369 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: young adults living in la in a wonderful way. I mean, 370 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: it wouldn't just be like trying to scratch on a 371 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: little newspaper working at a shop. I mean that that 372 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: was exactly the opposite of what the show was. Jen. 373 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 6: We would have had big futures. 374 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: For that exactly. Of course, we still would have had 375 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: you addicted to things and getting raped. 376 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 5: Because I try to explain. 377 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 3: People, we had to do these things because you had 378 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 3: thirty two hours to fill up. You need to have 379 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 3: conflict in coming. 380 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 5: Why did you torture me so much? That's my question. 381 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: Yes, you were a wonderful victim, I victim, but you look, 382 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: I mean the cocaine thing really turned out well. I 383 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: mean in a way that was pretty pretty remarkable. Some 384 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 3: of that stuff there I really liked a lot. And 385 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: then we did have the Starker with you with Tara. 386 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 2: People remember those two things so so strongly, though, Like 387 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: those are mile milestones for a show for a lot 388 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: of people, at least for Kelly's character, I think so. 389 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 3: And again we tried to be relatable things that were 390 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: happening to people in college. I mean, even the cult 391 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: stuff and you know, the student activision for Brenda getting 392 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 3: involved in the animal rights I mean, you know, we 393 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 3: were basically you know, we tried to keep the emotional 394 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: reality reality of the show and also just to really 395 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: reflect current wife because it was such a treat for us. 396 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 3: Because when the show was talking about November, it was 397 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: airing in November. We were always right on the clock. 398 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: So it was it had a reality to it, you know, 399 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: which was remarkable at the time. You couldn't do that. 400 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, that was so cool. 401 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 6: So who was going to be the new tortured bad 402 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 6: boy if Dylan's gone? 403 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't really have another. Well, we had Colin. 404 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: I mean, we brought Colin in. It was he was 405 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: pretty tortured, would be kind of blue with Ray and 406 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: you know, you know, we had a plan to redeem them, 407 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 3: but it just it just never went waitit wait. 408 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 4: You when we asked about this who we wonder every 409 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 4: week like what why? 410 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: Well again, you know, he was the blue collar kid. 411 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 3: We had pictured him as a child of abuse himself, 412 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 3: and we kind of thought, you know, again psychologically we 413 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: could really work it through that he would you know, 414 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 3: redeem himself. We never expected that, you know, the audience 415 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 3: reaction to be as strong as it would be. It 416 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 3: was to that that that just was a mistake of 417 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: our part, and we feel terrible. 418 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 4: Why was it so strong. There's other characters, even our 419 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 4: main cast, even female characters, that have done horrible things 420 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 4: and we're okay. 421 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 3: But people love Donald. People loved and they just felt 422 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: for her that she was sympathetic bad relationship, you know which, again, 423 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: we had to do these bad relationships to get out 424 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: of them, to get into good relationships. 425 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: Just again, that's why I loved Joe. It's like, I 426 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: think Joe doesn't get enough bred for being the redeeming guy. 427 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: And it's interesting he's only there for a year. 428 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 6: He's a little too good, right, Larry Well. 429 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: In our minds was always going to be David and Donna. 430 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 3: That was the long game. That was the long game. 431 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 3: That was what was going to satisfy us and satisfy 432 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: the fans. So we knew we had to get we 433 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 3: were going to get there and uh and in my 434 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: mind was going to end up with with Brandon and Kelly, 435 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 3: also especially Amy after Brandon and Brenda left that I 436 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 3: always thought that they were the royal couple because they 437 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 3: were good for each other. I never felt that Dylan 438 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 3: and Kelly were good for each other. They were so 439 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: alike because they were children of divorced who grew up 440 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 3: in Beverly Hills. They were great friends. But I just 441 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 3: never saw them going to the distance as a couple 442 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: because they both had the same vulnerabilities and problems. Whereas 443 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 3: I've always felt that Kelly and Brandon really they made 444 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 3: each other better and stronger. There to me, like a 445 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 3: royal couple, agreed. 446 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: Did Jamie Walters ever come to you, the writers or 447 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: anybody and ask like why this was happening to his 448 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: character and why everybody was hating him so much? 449 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: Jamie? No, No, he never did. And I was the 450 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: one I had to had to go and tell me 451 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 3: he was released. 452 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 6: So that was that's a terrible thing. 453 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 3: The only good thing was we had known he had 454 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: signed a million dollar deals, so he was going to 455 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 3: get paid, so I felt good about that. But no, 456 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 3: we loved that look. I created the character. I loved 457 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 3: the character. It was just brought something different again, and 458 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: looking back on it now, we probably should have integrated 459 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: him more into the with the guys a bit, and 460 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: we didn't do enough of that, you know, you know, 461 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 3: we made mistakes. 462 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 6: Wait, a million dollar deal on our show. 463 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, you wind, Yes, he had got signed up because 464 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: he had been signed for the whole year. It was 465 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: thirty two episodes whatever he was getting paid. Maybe thirty 466 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 3: thousand an episode or twenty thousand episode, I don't know, 467 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 3: but I was always told. 468 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 5: It was I'm doing the math. 469 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: That I think. You know, I was always told that 470 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: that they were writing off a million dollar deal, but 471 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: to let him go because we didn't want to let 472 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 3: him go. I mean, you know, it was really hard. 473 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 5: I mean, when was such a good guy. 474 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: But again, you know, Spelling brought us up to his 475 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 3: office and explained to us what was going to happen. 476 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 3: He said, all the fans think Donna is stupid for 477 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 3: being in the relationship with him. I can't have that 478 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 3: because again, he was very predictive, and it was really 479 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 3: endearing in a way because he loved Donald the way 480 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: he loved Torri. Really he saw them, you know, and 481 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: Donald was easier for him to control. 482 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: So fair, Fair, Do you have any other regrets like that. 483 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: It's so interesting to hear that you sort of have 484 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: regrets about God. 485 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was that's the biggest one we had 486 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 3: and I feel. 487 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: It would be like one other one, one of the 488 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: second biggest h I. 489 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 3: Have to think now, you know, Joe, we knew it 490 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 3: was going to be a one season player, and we 491 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 3: felt we felt good about him. We love Cameron, he 492 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: was He really brought a lot to the show, and 493 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 3: we thought that storyline, you know, would hold up. And 494 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 3: it was a close one to Jessica because her father 495 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 3: had gone through this whole heart stuff Tuessa. She had 496 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: a lot of the details of that, so we didn't 497 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: have to do a lot of research for his heart stuff. 498 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: Some of the cast that left, I think they might 499 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: have done it differently, you know. 500 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: You know, we liked we liked Kathleen Robertson's Claire. She 501 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 3: was never going to be a regular, but then she 502 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 3: kind of brought something a little bit different, so we 503 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: really well with her. I really liked what she was 504 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 3: doing them. She was fun to write for us. She was, 505 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: you know, just a little bit sharper than everybody else 506 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 3: and kind of a little bit that kind of classic 507 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 3: mm hmmm. 508 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 4: Wait, sorry, can I go back to one one thing 509 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 4: to the point of Jamie like doing that Jamie to Ray, 510 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 4: doing that to Donna and people couldn't make come back 511 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 4: from it. I mean, David did something horrible to Donna. 512 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 4: How come that didn't impact the audience in the same way. 513 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 4: I mean, well, he cheer and honor the virgin first 514 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 4: loves like, and he was fine. They always were like 515 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 4: we want David and Donna. 516 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: I mean we felt we never expected him to be 517 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: dropped because because just what you're saying, I mean, you know, 518 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 3: part of the show was again, this is the season ender. 519 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 3: We've got to really come up with some some major 520 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 3: stuff to keep people coming back in a couple of months. 521 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 3: And you know, we've been building towards that, you know, 522 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 3: and we just love the idea of Ray being out 523 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: in this you know, fraternity sorority like weekend and stuff 524 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: where he's going to feel totally out of place and 525 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 3: and and be very prickly and uh, you know again, 526 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 3: we had a plan to bring him back, and we 527 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 3: were going to keep him around because we had just 528 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 3: signed him as a regular. 529 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: To be honest, he doesn't actually push her down the stairs, 530 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: but he was so abusive leaning up to it. My 531 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: problem with him was like in the hotel room and 532 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: he kind of pushes her against the wall, like and 533 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: he was so aggressive, so it's like he didn't actually 534 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: push her down the stairs, but we all were so weird, 535 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: weary of him. 536 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 6: Weary. 537 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean he was just you know, he 538 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 3: never should have gone to that weekend. It was just 539 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: what was definitely a mistake there for him, you know, 540 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 3: in the writing. But we wanted that to happen. You know, again, 541 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 3: we're trying to stir the pod a little bit. But 542 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: but you know, again, we didn't expect. 543 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: Not a great stunt double going down those stairs, by 544 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: the way. 545 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: That Felice Martin, you know, and Ray you know, it 546 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: was you know, it was always fun to have Felice 547 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: Martin there because she was always stirring up stuff too. 548 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 3: Character caf In Canada's such a great job as your 549 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: mom played a great. 550 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 4: Villain because she's so sweet in real life. What is 551 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 4: the reason Jamie's music is never in the show when 552 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 4: we rewatch it, we can't ever the. 553 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 3: Same problem over and over. I mean, you know, when 554 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: in that time when people made deals, no one realized 555 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: that there was going to be such a great afterlife 556 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 3: for shows, so they made limited music deals. Usually they 557 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: were like five year deals, and in this case, you know, 558 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 3: to renegotiate the deals, you know, the owners of the 559 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 3: of the property, which I guess is CBS. Paramount didn't 560 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 3: want to spend the money to renegotiate. They were too 561 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 3: lazy and too cheap. Because that's just Jamie's music. It's 562 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: you know, tons of music has left out and whole 563 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: episodes out. I mean, you can't see the Scott the 564 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 3: Scott kills himself episode because they're knocking on Eavan's door 565 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 3: and so Check is taking up this really well, he's 566 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 3: you know, he's taken the fight to Paramount's a bit, 567 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 3: and they have told us they are going to reduce 568 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 3: some of those episod so it's now with music so 569 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: that they can be seen because oh good, well you 570 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 3: can't see the whole story, how can. 571 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 5: You get all the feels? 572 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so terrible, and literally there's forty episodes missing. 573 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: It's terrible. 574 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: We have to watch some of the episodes on like 575 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, like not even YouTube, like some sketchy, sketchy thing. 576 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: Although Jenny has some sort of. 577 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 3: Me too, yeah, Pete has that too, so yeah, we 578 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 3: very original music. Yeah, otherwise, and we give it out 579 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: a lot to people because it's just for. 580 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 4: Fans coming, especially with Ray Prewitt's character, Like fans that 581 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 4: haven't watched like the New Generations, they really can't even 582 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 4: get a vibe for the character at all because he's 583 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 4: some musician you never see him perform, so so terrible. 584 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 3: It hurts me terribly to hear. 585 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 4: That, Like Jen finally got to listen to his music, right, 586 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 4: and you liked his character better before the Beast yep, yep, yep. 587 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: I mean that was the attractive part. He was an 588 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: artist and you know, and and him and down I 589 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 3: had a pretty good thing. He just you know, he 590 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 3: just had some flaws. You know, he had some some 591 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 3: upbringing flaws and its just uh and then the Valerie 592 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 3: came in and that was kind of a little bit, 593 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 3: probably unnecessary, but we did that. I can't remember when 594 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 3: we did that. 595 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: We're excited because we're in the middle kind of right 596 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 2: of season six. So this was not your last season. 597 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: The season seven was your. 598 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 3: Last season exactly. I went to college. I wrote the 599 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 3: first episode of college and I wrote the last. 600 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 601 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 3: And you know, obviously I was the one who got 602 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: to write Donald losing a virginity, which was a great honor. 603 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 3: I didn't even know. 604 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 6: It's not season eight. 605 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 3: No, that was season seven. 606 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 6: Oh, you're right. 607 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 4: I always saw it season eight, But you're right season 608 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 4: seven because Jason's still there and he directed. 609 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: The Edu directed that and it was you know it 610 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: was it was the college graduation episode, you know, the 611 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: two hours with not the Spice Girls but the Cardigans. 612 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: Such a memory about it all? Are you really remember it? 613 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 6: Also? 614 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: Well, I guess it's different like if he's writing the 615 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: whole thing, like from top to bottom, all the characters, storylines, 616 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: and for me and for Tour, it's like we're only 617 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: really focused on our work there, but your work was full, 618 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: all encompassing. So it makes sense that you would have 619 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: such a better context for everything. 620 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 3: It's true. Yeah, yeah, I do, but there's things I 621 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 3: do forget. 622 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: We also think that when Jason directs, you can always 623 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: tell they're very like unique episodes for some reason, like 624 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: there's there's sort of a style he has. It's a 625 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: little bit, uh, I don't know, Jenny, you do the Caper, 626 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: it's like. 627 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 6: A little more comedic, like, yeah. 628 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: Exactly, I think you let the actors be a little 629 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 3: bit looser a lot of times. You know, Look, we 630 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: had some really good directors, I mean Dan Adias and 631 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: James Whitmore and David Semmel. You know, we had you know, 632 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 3: we had really good records to be able to accomplish 633 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 3: what we did. And when you think about it, like 634 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 3: we had a seven day schedule. I mean shows now 635 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: like take like twelve days to do an hour. I mean, 636 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: I don't know how we did it. We just we 637 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 3: were so organized and it just had to be all 638 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 3: plotted out. It was a real credit to you know, 639 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: Paul Wagner and all the guys on that side of 640 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 3: the hill. 641 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: Well, we really appreciate always you coming on and clarifying 642 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: some things for us because we were all a little 643 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: confused and wondering what really happened with Luke and the 644 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: deal in character in the middle of season six exactly. 645 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 3: Well, anytime you want me back to clarify and any think, 646 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 3: I certainly will. 647 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: Come before you go. When when you, even though you 648 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: weren't working on the show, when you found out that 649 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: Luke Perry was going back, were you shocked? 650 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 3: I kind of felt sad because I knew it was 651 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 3: a money play. Oh wow, No, you know, he really 652 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 3: hadn't really taken off as a movie star and I 653 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: knew it must be a money play. 654 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 5: Well, maybe he changed his mind and he just missed 655 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 5: us so much. 656 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: I just think, yeah, you couldn't have the finale without 657 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: without him, or at least one of the two of. 658 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 6: Them, Jason Brandon Luke. 659 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: So I was so happy that because I do feel 660 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: like we get a little bit of closure with Kelly. 661 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think so too. Yeah, so Luke was 662 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: there for the final episodes. 663 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: I see, Yeah, he's at the wedding. 664 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 6: Yeah. 665 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: I have to say, I've never seen another episode after 666 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: season seven. 667 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 5: You're like, I am not watching that. 668 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: You know. I read the law I would read the 669 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 3: log lines and I go, okay, never mind. I was 670 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 3: deeply hurt. Guy. I loved the show and I loved 671 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 3: working on it, and I lived the characters. So it 672 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 3: was like I said, I had to be carried out 673 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 3: of there. 674 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 4: When the cat's away in the mice shell play. So 675 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 4: the over the Hill kind of really separated from us. 676 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 4: So we, kind of knowing the characters so well, had 677 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 4: to try our best to step. 678 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 3: Up and filling that gap. Yeah. We didn't help that. 679 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 3: We didn't have the leadership there, and Paul got sick obviously, 680 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: and that was, you know, to contributed and I mean 681 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 3: that also contributed to my problem too, because I've you know, 682 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 3: when I came into the business as a writer, I 683 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: was told three things. Never go to the set, never 684 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: talk to the actors, and if you want to have 685 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 3: a long career as a writer, don't put your name 686 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 3: on a script. I always put my name by script. 687 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 3: But I always took that to heart, because if you 688 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 3: would go to the set, it would pisch off of 689 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 3: the director, because that was his world. If you talk 690 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: to one actor, then the other actors wondering, well, why 691 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 3: isn't he talking to me? Am I? Am I getting fired? 692 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 3: Am I getting killed? So you cause a problem. So 693 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 3: I was always taught that and I respected that so 694 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 3: and I always depended on Paul to keep everything there cool, 695 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: and when he wasn't working as effectively, I lost a 696 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 3: lot of that because as executive cruiser, I didn't put 697 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 3: enough time into the other side of the hill. I 698 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 3: didn't really build up those relationships with you guys. I 699 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 3: really didn't know you because I was concentrated on story, 700 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 3: just trying to keep the wheel moving at thirty two episodes, 701 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 3: and so no one really knew what I did I think, 702 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 3: I mean, Jason didn't really understand who I was, and 703 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 3: they kind of loved me. And again, Stephen Jessica were 704 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: terrific in the beginning of the series, and obviously getting 705 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: divorced really hurt the creative process because they both couldn't 706 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 3: work together in the same room anymore, which is really hard. 707 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 3: Really that became difficult for me and then, you know, so. 708 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 4: That's why we see them on script separately. Now we 709 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 4: didn't know, I mean, we knew. 710 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 3: I mean, it was it was really uh, it was 711 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 3: not good. Yeah, and so again even more so, I 712 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 3: just doubled down working on the story, not paying attention 713 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 3: to the other side of the hill enough, which is 714 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 3: you know, it's just that I didn't do it. 715 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 6: You didn't know a lot of this. Sorry, we didn't 716 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 6: appreciate you more. 717 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: Larry. 718 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 3: Well, again, we've had a good long time to look 719 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 3: at it and feel good about it. So I feel, 720 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 3: you know, totally fine about the way my life turned out. 721 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 3: You know, still still above grounded as they say, and 722 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 3: happy in creating. 723 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: Oh, really good, you're still with us. It's crazy how 724 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 2: the life you know, all what you're just describing about 725 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: Paul's illness and you know, Luke's intentions and wanting to 726 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 2: go elsewhere, and then Steve and Jessica's divorce and how 727 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 2: that affected things. It's crazy how there's a life behind 728 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 2: the script that affects everything moving forward. 729 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 3: I know. I mean, this show has to keep going. 730 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 3: It's like I trained this runner. It doesn't stop. It was 731 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 3: a lot of things thrown the way to kind of 732 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 3: try to derail it, but we didn't. We just kept 733 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 3: kept our noses to it and just kept doing it, 734 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 3: you know, and feel pretty good about it today. People's 735 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 3: you know, it's still relevant and still popular and pretty. 736 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 5: Amazing, really pretty amazing. 737 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 3: Now it's considered a good show now. As a writer, 738 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 3: I'm considered, Oh, I wrote on a good show. So 739 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 3: that's always sweet. 740 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 5: It's the gift that keeps on giving. 741 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 4: What if we could go back now and truly be 742 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 4: acknowledged for what we gave collectively, like the writing on 743 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 4: the show, it was still ahead of its time. 744 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it would have been a different situation. Yeah, 745 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, luckily we had the numbers, you know, 746 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 3: the rains were good, and we were on a fledge 747 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 3: in the network. We didn't even have one hundred percent 748 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 3: penetration in the United States and we still were. And 749 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 3: you know, the amazing thing is too, how internationally the 750 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 3: show is still still big. I mean obviously in Italy 751 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 3: and Israel it's giants still. They just huge fan groups 752 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 3: in those countries. So, I mean, we did something right, 753 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 3: so we all feel good about and we get to 754 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 3: talk about it now, right. 755 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 5: It doesn't happen very often. 756 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 3: No, No, it's just amazing because it became an iconic 757 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 3: show of the nineties. It's set the standard. And you guys, 758 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 3: you know, you did ten seasons. That was great. 759 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 5: You know, we were committed, Larry, I. 760 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 3: Know, I mean amazing. I mean you you know when 761 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 3: you started as kids and you were I mean, it's 762 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 3: crazy what happened in patients. 763 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 6: Instant gratifications screwed that longevity. 764 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 3: Look at it. 765 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 4: Four years now we're being recognized. They like us, they 766 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 4: really like us, Jen they do. 767 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,479 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was It was hard because for any 768 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 3: of the writers from the show, we all face the same, 769 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 3: you know, stigma of writing on the show. 770 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, we as actors definitely felt that too. 771 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 6: Definitely was a stigma. 772 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 4: That's I think fans don't see it that way, but 773 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 4: You're right, industry definitely just saw it. 774 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 3: That way, snobby industry, you know, the same way that 775 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 3: TV was not as strong as film, and now it's 776 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 3: all blurred of course, right, it's hard to figure out 777 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:38,359 Speaker 3: what's what? 778 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: Hear that about your dad shows too, Torri, Like those 779 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,479 Speaker 1: shows were so iconic and amazing and because sometimes TV 780 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: is just for us to enjoy and escape and all 781 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: those things. So all those shows really provide. 782 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 3: That it was a great showman and a great executive producer. 783 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing he remember. He would he 784 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 3: saved this one phrase. I don't think I told the fear, 785 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 3: but he would say, actresses, you buy them shoes and 786 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 3: they walk away. 787 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,919 Speaker 5: Oh wait, wait, what does that mean? 788 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 3: If anyone would not do one of his shows? He 789 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 3: get very upset on the loyalty issues. He found the 790 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 3: shoes and they walk. 791 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 6: Away trus loyal to a fault. 792 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 4: Yes, that was something because he was always super loyal 793 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 4: to his actors and like would always put them in 794 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 4: other shows and promise and he always did it. Larry, 795 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 4: you would know this part that we don't like. How 796 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 4: did he feel about the stigmatism that was put on 797 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 4: him about spelling shows? 798 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 6: Did he ever talk about it. 799 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 3: Well, don't forget. He did have his Prestige project, he 800 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 3: had the band played on some other stuff which her 801 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 3: were really well accepted. I don't I think he was. 802 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 3: I think he embraced it in a certain way because 803 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 3: he knew he was entertaining and people were watching, and 804 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 3: the numbers were good, and he didn't really care, and 805 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 3: he had his style and that was he stuck with it. 806 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 6: He must have heard on some level, though, Again, he 807 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 6: and I never talked about this. 808 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it did. I'm sure it did. 809 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 3: You know. 810 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 4: I remember one of his Emmys he won. I don't 811 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 4: know if it was, and the band played on. I 812 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 4: think it was. He was he had been nominated before 813 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 4: and he was sick and he didn't go to that Emmy. 814 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 4: You got one, but there was one other that he 815 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 4: didn't go to, and he was like, oh, they never 816 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 4: give it to me anyway, they're away and he won. 817 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, it was like, well, the one that 818 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 2: laughed all the way to the bank. 819 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 4: So well, he lived well and he wanted to entertain people. 820 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 6: That's all he really cared about. 821 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 4: But just hindsight like, oh yeah, he was always labeled 822 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 4: and all his shows. 823 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 3: I mean, that's what it was. You were a spelling writer. 824 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 3: You were considered, you know, a. 825 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 2: Hack basically Wow, yeah, well you're not a hack ys Nope, we. 826 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 5: Love you, Thank you, Larry, grateful for you. 827 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: Yes, such such good information to hear too, and please 828 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: come back. 829 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 3: Larry, definitely take care. H