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Speaker 1: The Inside Scoop is Hard Today by MLB Rivals. More

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Speaker 1: on that later. Let's go right now to FT senior

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Speaker 1: insider Ken Rosenthal and continue this discussion. Awesome night for

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber, Ken, but let's dive into the article and

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Speaker 1: what you wrote about related to Kyle Schwarber and really

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Speaker 1: Kyle Riley versus Aaron Judge and sho Hey Otani.

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Speaker 2: The point of what I wrote is simply this that

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Speaker 2: whoever is the best should win. Now, it seems like

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Speaker 2: a simple concept, but human nature being what it is,

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Speaker 2: my suspicion is at least some writers will be looking

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Speaker 2: for a new flavor of the month and that should

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Speaker 2: not be in any way a factor in this voting. Now,

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Speaker 2: I know, Shohey Otani has won three of the last

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Speaker 2: four MBPS, three of the last four years, Judge two

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Speaker 2: of the last three. The year Otani didn't win in

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Speaker 2: this four year span was the year Judge hit sixty

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Speaker 2: two home runs and edged him. Or actually, wasn't that

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Speaker 2: even close? So yeah, I'm sure everybody would like, in

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Speaker 2: a perfect world, let's see some new faces, but that

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Speaker 2: doesn't dictate what a voter should do. What dictates what

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Speaker 2: of all of the players involved. Now, if Raley and

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Speaker 2: Schwarver are deserving, yes they're the MVPs. But if Judge

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Speaker 2: and Otani are deserving, then they're the MVPs. I don't

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Speaker 2: have any preference. I don't care one way or the other.

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Speaker 2: All I want to see is that we do this right.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't want and I should have included this

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Speaker 2: look back in twenty years and have people say, what

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Speaker 2: the hell are the writers thinking? We have done these

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Speaker 2: kinds of things with other rewards that we've made mistakes.

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Speaker 2: We're not perfect, obviously, and that's my fear that someone

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Speaker 2: will get shafted here simply because I'm tired of voting

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Speaker 2: for Aaron Judge. Not cool, not a way to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I agree with you one thousand percent. I

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Speaker 3: think you're one hundred percent right. Whoever deserves to be

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Speaker 3: the MVP deserves, no matter how many times they've gotten it. Now,

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Speaker 3: my question to you, as a writer broadcaster guy's been

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Speaker 3: like I went over some numbers just now about RBI's

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Speaker 3: look for. I'm not necessarily a big guy on war.

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Speaker 3: You know, people have different quirks about what they're looking for,

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Speaker 3: Like is there certain criteria that you specifically this guy

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Speaker 4: Problem for me.

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Speaker 2: There actually are criteria for the MVP voting, But in

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Speaker 2: the end, Todd, it comes down to subjectivity. The criteria

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Speaker 2: is like strength of offense and defense, character, the kind

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Speaker 2: of thing you can vote however the heck you want.

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Speaker 2: And part of the criteria as well is you can

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Speaker 2: win multiple times. All these kinds of vague things. What

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Speaker 2: I look at generally are the leading offensive and defensive metrics.

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Speaker 2: But in this case with cal Raally, I don't believe

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Speaker 2: the defensive metrics necessarily apply because I don't believe they

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Speaker 2: will capture his full value. Now, last year he won

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Speaker 2: the Platinum Glove as the best defensive player in the

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Speaker 2: American League, the single best. Some of his metrics this

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Speaker 2: year aren't as good, but not all of them were

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Speaker 2: brilliant last year. So he is that guy behind the plate.

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Speaker 2: There's no question that he brings incredible value at the

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Speaker 2: by his WAR rating because I don't trust the defensive

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Speaker 2: I might look at WAR in certain cases, it's tough

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I know WAR kind of covers that to some degree,

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Speaker 2: but for instance, Bobby Witt versus Aaron Judge last year,

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Speaker 2: the shortstops more valuable. Now, Judge had this incredible offensive year,

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Speaker 2: one of the greatest offensive years by a right handed

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Speaker 5: Does a team need to make the playoffs? Is that hard?

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Speaker 5: Is that hard to not cook that into Ken Rosenthal's

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Speaker 2: Eric, It is my preference. I always prefer a guy

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Speaker 2: to be playing for a postseason qualifier or contender, simply because,

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Speaker 2: in my view, the pressure of the games that player

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Speaker 2: game is important, every major league game has pressure, But

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Speaker 2: in the cases of the four players we're discussing here, Schwarber, Judge,

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Speaker 2: And if for some reason the Mariners don't make the postseason,

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Speaker 5: Can you rank And I know it's tough because you

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Speaker 1: We have more debuts on the way from young pitching

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Speaker 1: what's going on right now? Ken, or do you remember

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Speaker 2: to make this jump totally. It was a twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: don't bounce from the minor leagues of the big leagues

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Speaker 5: John Olarude like like, there's like a very very small

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Speaker 5: portion and we're seeing too many of those guys right now,

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Speaker 5: Like a third of the Angels team barely spend any

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Speaker 5: what is the what's the precipice of it's what's the

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Speaker 2: In patience and the desire to get the most talented

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Speaker 2: I wonder too they're paying these guys big bonuses, the

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Speaker 2: highest draft picks, right, whatever the number might be, Well,

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Speaker 2: of the increased rate of injury. And that is really

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Speaker 3: the Yankees. You got me, yep, Yankees, Blue Jays, Red

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Speaker 3: Sox all in the pennant race here. I couldn't be

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Speaker 3: more excited, if you want the truth, Understandably, all three

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Speaker 3: of these teams have a good chance. The Blue Jays

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Speaker 3: are in first place. How do you see this shaking

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, we talked about the excitement regarding

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Speaker 2: totally and tongue tonight. But we've got a great series

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Speaker 2: and Blue Jays, are meeting this weekend. I still see

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Speaker 2: the Blue Jays hanging on. I think they have enough

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Speaker 2: the credit to him for doing what he's done coming

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Speaker 2: off Tommy John, then I think certainly the Blue Jays

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Speaker 2: are going to be the leading team in that division.

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Speaker 2: Now beyond that, who knows where the Yankees are. They

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Speaker 2: are great against the Nationals, they are not so great

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Speaker 2: against teams that are better. The Red Sox are coming on,

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Speaker 2: and the Red Sox are a legitimate team, But we'll

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Speaker 2: just have to see how they're back of the rotation

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Speaker 2: hole up for the month of September. Guys, I gotta

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Speaker 2: run go for it, Ken, appreciate you all right, I

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Speaker 2: talked to you, elder guys.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thanks Ken,