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Speaker 2: and it's madness. There weren't a ton of upsets in

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Speaker 2: the tournament. I guess Iowa over Florida is the big one.

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Speaker 2: So I got you know, I Michigan and Arizona are

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Speaker 2: the two best teams I've seen. And I thought, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna call Doug Gottlieb coaching now the Green Bay Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: Second year they finished third in the Horizon League. His

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Speaker 2: first years, his top scores all got hurt. Second year,

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Speaker 2: to the very end. And I've been keeping in contact

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Speaker 2: with Doug in his basketball journey, and I thought, let's

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Speaker 2: get him on here and talk about a lot of

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Speaker 2: different stuff. I told Doug today, I said, Hey, this

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Speaker 2: Yukon Duke game, it's getting lobsided. If you want to

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Speaker 2: if you want to record this early, it's like, hold on.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's Dan Early. Let's hold on. And he

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Speaker 2: was right. So it's good seeing you. We've talked several times,

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Speaker 2: you know, Doug. It's funny about Yukon. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: both lived there for a long time. It's really they're

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Speaker 2: like a pitcher who gets better in the later innings.

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Speaker 2: They're so good in the second half, they just wear

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Speaker 2: couple of bad turnovers. It's just like they're kind of

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Speaker 2: built for March. The refs let you play a little

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Speaker 2: bit like the NBA playoffs, the games get physical. Were

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Speaker 2: you shocked they came back to beat Duke?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, from this perspective, you know again, like you

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Speaker 1: watch it, I've always watched it a little bit differently

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Speaker 1: watch it completely differently, And I was so impressed by

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Speaker 1: Duke's prepperedness for all of what Yukon does you know,

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Speaker 1: then Yukon they don't really they don't really have They

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Speaker 1: You have to You have to have had kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for a while it was terrorist Reid

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Speaker 2: they just need a Stefan Castle. They just they don't.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to be That's that's what this team

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they were thirtieth in the country. I

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Speaker 2: mean I watched them get blown out by Marquette. I mean,

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Speaker 2: who like Hurley, just preached toughness just just grind and

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Speaker 2: bit of an extension of Calhoun where he's just really tough. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they kind of found their secret sauce. It's not the

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Speaker 2: the two hundred and sixty first ranked player in high school.

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Speaker 2: to project a lot. I mean even in an NBA draft. Now,

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Speaker 1: Well, here's what I'm gonna do. Let me tell your story.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a storytell with Collins that I call

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Speaker 1: him do in storytime. So his au coach is a

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Speaker 1: It's independent in Kansasity, Missouri. And when I tell you,

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Speaker 1: And now he's on an independent circuit. So some of

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Speaker 1: this is that he's on it. It's he's on a

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Speaker 1: So remember what's happened since covid is guys are getting

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Speaker 1: my staff, I said, look, we're a nightclub. Okay, twenty

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Speaker 1: And I think he was most overlooked because he wasn't

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Speaker 1: He was loyal to his AAU coach, right, he was.

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Speaker 1: is called mocn mo can Elite. They're out of Kansas City. Now.

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Speaker 1: Why because he was actually loyal to Vick Williams, who

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Speaker 1: And I Illinois has a lot of money. They don't

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Speaker 1: it's difficult. You have to be thorough. You're gonna miss

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Speaker 1: Because what happens with the portal is, yes, guys have

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Speaker 1: So you have to recruit based upon who they've played for.

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Speaker 2: they still love their they love their Big ten teams

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Speaker 2: and they'll write checks. And the Big Ten, how I

426
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Speaker 2: has three straight national championships in football. This year they

427
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Speaker 2: turn seven first or second round quarterbacks and they dominated

428
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Speaker 2: this tournament. I mean, I if I had to guess today,

429
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Speaker 2: I would have Michigan against Illinois and the Natty. Although

430
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean Arizona's guards are great, Tommy's great,

431
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Speaker 2: and you know Dan Hurley wins in the march. But

432
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Speaker 2: is it is the Big Tens resurgence and dominance? Is

433
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Speaker 2: it just Checks Doug?

434
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Speaker 1: Is it?

435
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Speaker 2: From my purview, it's really good coach and checks.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. And I would say there's great coaches in

437
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Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. I would say that the Big Twelve

438
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Speaker 1: has been an unbelievable conference. Yeah, Kansas a little down

439
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: this year, Houston not as good as they've been this year.

440
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: But here's that. Let's cut the brass tacks. You and

441
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Speaker 1: I know this. The SEC cheated the brains out for

442
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: years right in football. So it's it's a curious thing

443
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: when everybody can spend money on their roster, right right.

444
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Speaker 1: So now, now let's see how good you are right

445
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 1: when everybody's got dudes because they used to, they just

446
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: used you go and and look there's still a different

447
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: caliber of athlete at times in the SEC than some

448
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: of these teams. But I used to when I worked

449
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: at CBS, i started covering more SEC and I got

450
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Speaker 1: to go to SEC football games as well, just as

451
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Speaker 1: kind of a fan and be on the sidelines. And

452
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: back then, like there was just a different you look

453
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Speaker 1: at even now you look at the Big twelve, they

454
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: just looked different. The basketball expression is that guy sneakers

455
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: squeaked different. Right, And I'm not again, I'm not saying

456
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Speaker 1: that that the Big Ten was high and mighty. They

457
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Speaker 1: had plenty of scandals, right. Minnesota had one, Michigan obviously

458
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: had a big one, Ohio State had one. Whatever, Illinois

459
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: you know, got caught whatever. But the point is that generally, yes,

460
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Speaker 1: the SEC was seen as a cheaters league.

461
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Speaker 2: It just was the car dealers and absolutely yes, brown

462
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Speaker 2: paper bags.

463
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Speaker 1: Yet all of it okay. Now when it's it's it's

464
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Speaker 1: not equal. And the reason that you have the sixteen

465
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: favorites is the rest of us, the little guys, we

466
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Speaker 1: got no shot. We just do. You can win a game,

467
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: you can't win two or three. You just can't. You know,

468
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: I'll never forget calling we were playing Ohio State last year,

469
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: and I had Anthony Roy who was leading the country

470
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Speaker 1: and scoring. He has thirty and it was eight and

471
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden we changed ball screen coverage and

472
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Speaker 1: it's eighteen. I emptied my bench and it's thirty and

473
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Speaker 1: I was just I'm sitting in there and I'm apoplectic,

474
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Speaker 1: and I have this and I have a bit assistant

475
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Speaker 1: named Eric Sanders and his nickname is eighth grade. Eighth

476
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Speaker 1: grade puts his arm around me, and I go, dag it.

477
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Speaker 1: I shouldn't have changed that ball screen coverage. I screwed up.

478
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Speaker 1: I messed this up. And he's like, coach, they got

479
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Speaker 1: three and a half million dollars. We got ninety five

480
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, right, don't beat yourself up. We never had

481
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Speaker 1: a chance, you know. So. So the point is that

482
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Speaker 1: now there's the halves and the have nots, right, But

483
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: you give Michigan legal money cheating, right, you give them

484
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: elite coaching, right, and yeah, they're better than all those

485
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Speaker 1: SEC teams that have always had. Now, look, the SEC

486
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Speaker 1: has had some elite coaching as well, obviously, and they've

487
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Speaker 1: been really, really good. But I really think that's what

488
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: happened in football. That's what happened in basketball, right. I mean,

489
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Speaker 1: kurts Signetti's a hell of a coach, but he's made

490
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Speaker 1: much better when he's got thirty million dollars to spend.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting about the UNC job and the Michael

492
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Speaker 2: Jordan comments, and that sounds I mean that's what I

493
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Speaker 2: would do if I ran UNC, I would call Michael

494
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Speaker 2: and say, can you do us a solid Totally makes

495
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Speaker 2: sense to me. And this is why we brought you

496
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Speaker 2: on the podcast today. Is that that kind of insight it.

497
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Speaker 2: What's interesting about the UNC job is I said, you know,

498
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Speaker 2: Billy Donovan, I don't know if people remember you do.

499
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Speaker 2: Florida wasn't just good. I mean they had like they

500
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Speaker 2: were they were a bully. They were Yukon South. I

501
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Speaker 2: mean he was winning. He was winning not only divisional titles,

502
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Speaker 2: the SEC which was used to be called like the

503
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Speaker 2: Kentucky Championship, right like, he was dominating Kentucky. And then

504
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: he goes to Okay. See, he goes to Chicago and

505
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: Chicago's not a serious organization. Ryan Storff will never sell

506
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Speaker 2: it because it's the biggest arena. They lead the league

507
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Speaker 2: in attendance. I was I have season tickets. It's a

508
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: great arena. They pack it and they're unwatchable tickets.

509
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Speaker 1: You never said, hey man, you want to come much

510
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: of Bulls games. It's a three hour drive, nothing, nothing.

511
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Speaker 1: So the first I'm hearing of.

512
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Speaker 2: It, well, I bought you know, listen, I bought partial hockey. Partial.

513
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Speaker 2: We got family members here and I go to the games.

514
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Speaker 1: And it's great.

515
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Speaker 2: But the truth I know, But the truth is it's

516
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Speaker 2: not a serious basketball operation. And I said, I'm like

517
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: billis made his money. He's a competitive guy. Competitive guys

518
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: don't like to lose. Like I could see him just

519
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: saying I'm better than half these coaches I lose to

520
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go win two Natties. I'm gonna go to Carolina.

521
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Speaker 2: And I thought, when I was called you today, I thought,

522
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: you know, there's always the sense it's the association. But

523
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: which ironic though U NBA coaches are getting younger, college

524
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: coaches are getting older because a lot of the recruitings administrative.

525
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: You don't have to be at tournaments. You just write checks.

526
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Speaker 2: If you were Billy Donovan, I mean, Ryan Sdorf's loyal

527
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: to him, he would would you consider you NC?

528
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Speaker 1: I mean I would the frustration that guys had, and I,

529
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I used to every summer I

530
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Speaker 1: take my kids, I think, as you know, to Maine

531
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: for summer camp, and I would. I would spend a

532
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: lunchtime with Brad Stevens, and Brad's always been like not

533
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Speaker 1: going back, you know, not going Like the NBA is

534
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: great because it's all about basketball. Yes, you know you

535
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: were about academics, no parent, about recruiting, nothing nothing. Okay,

536
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: so agents, sometimes players, egos, but it's basketball. Basket's the

537
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: best coaching in the world. Anybody says otherwise literally doesn't

538
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: know anything anything. It's incredibly coached. They're incredible players. But yeah,

539
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean remember his mentor is Rick Patino. And Rick

540
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: Patino has had you know, he's the cat with nine lives. Yeah,

541
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: and he keeps coming back to college. Louisville has to

542
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 1: let him go. He goes and wins in your in

543
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: in Greece, comes back flips Iona and now he's got

544
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Speaker 1: Saint John's back where they need to be, right or

545
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: close to where they need to be. Yeah, I would

546
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: like he won two national titles. In two thousand, they

547
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: beat us in the Elite eight. He did an amazing

548
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: job at Florida, and he's try he's been at two history,

549
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, like Oklahoma's has become kind of a sort

550
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: of dominant team in this era. Right, they won the title,

551
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: they've been to another finals. They're gonna be around And

552
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: then he's in Chicago and hasn't been able to fix it,

553
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: Like like, why not? Because it's it's not pro basketball,

554
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: okay any because it's amateur hour, right, You're you're dealing

555
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: with quasi agents want to be agents, and there's still kids,

556
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: but it's as close to the professional. It's really more

557
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: like Europe where you're dealing a one two year deal.

558
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: It's North Carolina. Why not? The only reason he might

559
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: not do it is because Kentucky might come up in

560
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: next year and that's the one he wants. The timing

561
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: of it has always been a little off, but he'd

562
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: have to resign like in a week. So he's there

563
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: for the portal. But I can't speak to him. I

564
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: don't know what he wants in his life. But generally

565
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Speaker 1: what I was told was his wife didn't want to

566
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: do a college town anymore. He didn't want to mess

567
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: with the academics. I get, but they the academics, like, listen,

568
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: believe me at my place. The academics matter. Second highest

569
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: GBA and team history two consecutive years. Right, got we

570
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: were my first year, we were on APR probation. Couldn't

571
00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: practice more than five days in a week. Was crazy.

572
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: But generally they're taking their classes online. Right, it's they're

573
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: not great. The student in student athlete has been minimized

574
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Speaker 1: to a very it's it's not even. It's in fine

575
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: fine print, and then athlete is in big print. It's

576
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: quasi professional basketball with a lot of amateur hour. But

577
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Speaker 1: it's North Carolina, right, it's Carolina blue. It's Argyll down

578
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: the side. It's pretty dope.

579
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Speaker 2: Would I do it?

580
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Is he gonna do it? I don't know, Colin.

581
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Speaker 1: Everybody has different motivation. Because there's part of me that says, well,

582
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Speaker 1: if you have fifty million dollars in the bank and

583
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: you want two national titles, you could just go retire

584
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Speaker 1: to a beach, because I think that's what you would do, right,

585
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: But then again, you're not as good a player as

586
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Speaker 1: Billy Donovan was leading Providence to the Final four. I mean,

587
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: a guy who's five foot eleven, thick legged, white guy

588
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: makes the NBA. You're not doing that unless you're tougher

589
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: than a two dollars stak, and you're an incredible competitor,

590
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: And so the competitor in you says, Hey, I want

591
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: to go out on top. I want to go out

592
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: with the championship. What if I'm the guy to bring

593
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: Carolina back? So again, I don't know. I will add

594
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: this one last thing. He's not in the Carolina family, okay,

595
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: but his dad, I believe, grew up on Long Island. Hey,

596
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: my dad grew up on Long Island. They were all

597
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: kind of saying, that's Larry Brown country, okay. And of

598
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: course Larry Brown played at North Carolina for Dick McGuire,

599
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: and Dick McGuire used to bring down a New Yorker

600
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: or two every year. So he's he's sort of he's

601
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: obviously in the Patino family, but he's sort of North

602
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: Carolina family adjacent a little bit. And it wouldn't stun

603
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: me if he felt sort of like Carolina family. I

604
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: don't know if you'd do it if it was me. Hell, yeah,

605
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: when I do it Carolina any day, any Michael Jordan

606
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: Colin recruits yes, yes, So I can't tell you what

607
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: he's you know, yeah, because when you're like when you're

608
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: when you're in purgatory where the way the Bulls are

609
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: like what do you do? Like what are we doing here? Yeah?

610
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Speaker 2: That's that's my whole take is he's such a competitive

611
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: guy and they're not a serious franchise. And I say

612
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: that as somebody that loves going to the games. They

613
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: get nobody. We just kind of look at the Bulls

614
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: and it is it's it's sort of like watching you know,

615
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: Cleveland the Browns. You're like, you're not you're not. You

616
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: fire Stefanski. You have Todd Monkin, Like what are you doing?

617
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: I mean Stefanski interviews for seven jobs within three days,

618
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: like what are you doing?

619
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Speaker 1: Well, there's a I don't know, if you curse in

620
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: your pod, I apologize, you can bleep it out, okay,

621
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Speaker 1: but there's an expression. There's an expression that I'm in

622
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma visiting my kids right now, and uh there's a

623
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: refression I learned here. And it's true with the Bulls

624
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: and with the Browns, they're just fiddle fucking around, right

625
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: They just are you know, they're just they're they're just

626
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: they're playing games. Because you gotta play games, and you

627
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: gotta make money, and they affect nothing zero. And so

628
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: if you're fiddling, do you want to fidle fuck around

629
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: at the end of your career or do you want

630
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: to go in and try and win a national championship. So,

631
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: but again, I don't know what motivates him, and I

632
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: don't know if he wants to. I want to be

633
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: the guy that gets the bulls back. I don't know

634
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: what the answer to that one is.

635
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Speaker 2: So I wrote down my NBA mock lottery draft, and

636
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: I do think aj Devontai Byu probably today would go

637
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Speaker 2: number one. I think one of the things I said,

638
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: like like cam Boozer is not a super athlete, but

639
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: he's gonna go top five. I think Caleb Wilson's ceiling

640
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: is insane. He's not polished yet, but god he had.

641
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: You can just see There'll be two or three plays

642
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: a game and you're like, holy you know, is he

643
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: bam out of buy you with a higher ceiling? Like

644
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: like what is he? So the Darren Peterson things fascinating

645
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: because and you played against him this year, your Green

646
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: Bay team played against You're the one that called me

647
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: and said you go, you go watch this guy and

648
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: it's very early in the season. It was like I

649
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: watched five Possessions. I'm like, well, that's what Kobe probably

650
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 2: looked at eighteen years old. He looked like Kobe. I mean,

651
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: it's kind of an easy comp Now. He wasn't he

652
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: got beat up the calf, the hammies. He wasn't. He

653
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: wasn't as athletic, he wasn't a durable. The two things

654
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: that worry me. One's obvious, I'll get to in a second.

655
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: The first thing that worries me is he plays in asilo,

656
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: a little like Kawhi first five years in the league,

657
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: no assists, has the ball a ton no assists. He's

658
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: playing in asilo. He's playing for himself. Don't love guys

659
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: like that. As great as Kawhi is, he is a

660
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: little bit like Kawhi, not stylistically, but plays in asilo.

661
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: Durability issues. If you're hurt. In college, the rules always

662
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: been the bigger, stronger dudes than the pros.

663
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Speaker 1: It's hard.

664
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Speaker 2: But I think what really worries me is when he

665
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 2: comes out and says, you know, this thing got into

666
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: my head and I start thinking about you know, and

667
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: this is not analogous. But oh, Ben Simmons, Markel Foltz,

668
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: Royce White and I listen, I feel I have sympathy

669
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: for anybody that can struggle with mental health or whatever

670
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: it is. But if I'm an NBA in a loaded

671
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: draft where I watched Caleb Williams and I'm like, he's

672
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: only fifty percent of the player he's going to be

673
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: in three years. I see, you know aj Demonta, see

674
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: I see Waggler the Guard of Illinois, and I'm like,

675
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: is he the next SGA? Jesus, he's sixty six. Again,

676
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: he's not even halfway home. What do you do with

677
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: Darreon Peterson? If you were a GM could could you

678
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: draft him number one?

679
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: Well here's the You know, when I used to work

680
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: at CBS and ESPN, they talk about the eye test, right,

681
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: And the problem with the eye test is it kind

682
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: of depends upon the day when you see a guy.

683
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: So again, you have to remember that we watched all

684
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Speaker 1: the preseason stuff we watched and we were like in

685
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: love with Darreon Peterson and then I mean we did

686
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: we had no chance to start. He was so good.

687
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: So you know what do I And I was one

688
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: I said like He's like Kobe in that he can

689
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: literally say, like you remember Larry Bird, those old Larry

690
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: Bird Living Legend videos, I'm gonna get the ball right

691
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: here and I'm gonna drive right there, I'm gonna shot it,

692
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it. And then he did it. Yeah.

693
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: It feels like he gets to his spots and he plays.

694
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: He's never sped up. He plays at his own pace.

695
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: He's great. Yes. First thing everybody should know is that

696
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: if the Utah Jazz have the number one pick, they're

697
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: taking Aj Debonza. How do I know? He went to

698
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: Utah Prep, which is funded by Ryan Smith. He went

699
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: to BYU, which is funded by Ryan Smith. Ryan Smith

700
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: owns the Utah Jazz. If you want to call something

701
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: tamper and there's never been a person that has ever

702
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: been tampered with more than Aj Debonsa to end up

703
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: with the Utah Jazz ever ever ever in the history

704
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: of anything. Everybody knows it, everybody. So that's the first thing.

705
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who else Jesus Christ could be getting

706
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: ready to walk on water and turn water into wine.

707
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: They're drafting AJ Debanza Outside of that boy. It's hard

708
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: because the Arkansas Point guard. He's truck tremendous, tremendous duds. Ooh,

709
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: he's fantastic.

710
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: And by the way, he's athletic and can also catch

711
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: and shoot. A lot of athletic guards are rhythm scores.

712
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: He can catch his shoot you. And he's also a

713
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: great passer, which a lot of great scores aren't.

714
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he listen, you can. He'll run your offense

715
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: tomorrow and he'll be he'll be great at it. Would

716
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: I draft him, I'd really have to know what's going

717
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: on with the shutting it down at halftime thing. Again,

718
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: all my information is second and third hand, so I

719
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: don't want especially with medicals, I don't want to. I

720
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: can tell you that, you know, we had my point

721
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: guard head cramping issues and it does mess with you

722
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: mentally because you might feel one coming on and you're like, okay,

723
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: take me out. I feel one coming on here, and

724
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: we try pickle juice. The Packers gave us this medicine

725
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: they give the NFL players that didn't work. There is

726
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 1: a mental component to it where your brain triggers the cramping. Again,

727
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: this is from from actual experience with one of my

728
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: with my my my leader, my team captain, so I

729
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: would just have to know more about the about the medicals.

730
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: I do agree, he's not really a creative passer. He

731
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: is a score. He is a throwback classic. He's somewhere

732
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: between Kobe and DeMar DeRozan. But here's the part I

733
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: do like. Unbelievable competitor, not scared of the big moment,

734
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: and has a has a body run you know, He's

735
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: got just a body like a Greek god. So he'll

736
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 1: assimilate to the NBA game quite well. Yeah, I would

737
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: like to pass a little bit more. But the biggest

738
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: thing with him is the medicals. Is he going to

739
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: play every night? Yeah? And you're right, Like, I'll give

740
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: you the example and be hurt in college Herd all

741
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: the time in the pros, Kyrie hurt in college her

742
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: all the time, Zion hurt in college her all the

743
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: time in the pros. So yeah, you have to trust

744
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: your medical people and you have to figure out what

745
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: you need. But the answer is yes, I would if

746
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: I was all that stuff was cleared. He's just again,

747
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: his sneakers squeak different. He moves at a different gait,

748
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: a different pace, a different rhythm, And I do think

749
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: that as the NBA game opens up and he's got

750
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: even better spacing. And then you played with great space

751
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: in at at Kansas, but even better obviously, Like it's

752
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: just hard to see. How are you gonna stop him?

753
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: I know he's going against college kids, but he's a

754
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: real college kid. Yeah, I'm personally a big fan. I

755
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: think de Bonsa goes one. He'll probably go too. But

756
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: it's all gonna be about the medicals. And then the

757
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: question is, and this is this, this goes to your

758
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: Kauhi thing. Was the dad telling him to shut it

759
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: down at halftime or was it him his body? Right?

760
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: Is the dad to involve whereas with Kawhi it's the

761
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: uncle that's apparently too involved.

762
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna wrap it up with this. Dol Gottlieb,

763
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: coach at Green Bay, left broadcasting, went to coaching first

764
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: year and he had to scramble to put a squad together.

765
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: He had a great score score got hurt. But this

766
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: year and I followed, you know, I watched a lot

767
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: of YouTube and a lot of Green Bay basketball. It's

768
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: actually women's and men's now both can really play. So

769
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: the women are excellent and you guys finished third in

770
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 2: the Horizon League. And I'm gonna ask you this question

771
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: because I think somebody, somebody I know, just got a

772
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: really big job and they called like senate congratulation text

773
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Speaker 2: and they reached out and they're they're like, I'm a

774
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: little nervous. And I said, if you're not nervous, you

775
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: didn't take a big enough swing. You have to be nervous.

776
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: If you're not nervous, dude, you just took a parallel job.

777
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: If you're not sweating bullets your first six weeks, you didn't,

778
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: you're not challenging yourself. And listen, you weren't nervous because

779
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: you knew basketball, but it's coaching, and it was a

780
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: program that didn't have a lot of stuff, and you've

781
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: been raising money and you maybe you weren't nervous. I mean,

782
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: so my question is, what is the one thing if

783
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: you were a young coach and you want to coach,

784
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: and you have all this experience. Your dad was a coach,

785
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 2: you're a player, you're a broadcaster. You've built a program. Now,

786
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: if I said to you, Doug, you it's not even

787
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: it's just give the young Doug Gottlieb. You've had fifteen

788
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: eighteen months now, what today do you know that you didn't?

789
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: And you had great knowledge of college basketball. Of all

790
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: my friends, you had much different level knowledge. What is

791
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: the one thing you're like? Man, I didn't even know that.

792
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: So the thing in all business that people talk about

793
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: is culture, but no one actually talks about what that means, right,

794
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: But it is everything. It is absolutely everything. I would

795
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: love to say there's one thing, and I'll get to

796
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: what I think the biggest thing is in the second.

797
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: But you know, it's not just about you know. I

798
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: always thought, Okay, hire really good people that know more

799
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: than you, or that cover your weaknesses, and let them

800
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: coach and trust them. Yeah, but there's a second step

801
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: to that, which is they have to be able to

802
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: work together, and they have to be able to work

803
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: in whatever school that you're at or whatever business. Like.

804
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: Just because you can sell hats doesn't necessarily means you

805
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: can sell washers and dryers, because there are some nuances

806
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: to it. And I changed my staff from year one

807
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: to year two. It could not be more important. Our

808
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: players were so prepared. I was so prepared. My staff

809
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: made me look like a great coach. I was ranked

810
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: the three hundred and sixty UH there's three hundred on

811
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: there's three hundred.

812
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: And sixty five.

813
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: Forty yeah, three sixty five. I was ranked three fifty

814
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: eight coming into the year. Okay, three fifty eight, And honestly,

815
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: the difference is my staff is unbelievable. But it's not

816
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: just because they're good and they work hard and they're prepared.

817
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: It's because they're connected. You know. I talk about this

818
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: with my team all the time. What hurts more open

819
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: hand or a fist? Right? A fist does? Hey, it's

820
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: the same weapon, only it's tight, it's cohesive, it's together.

821
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: Same thing with a team, same thing with the coaching staff.

822
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: Culture is everything, and when you're here's the biggest thing

823
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: when you're gonna build a team. I can't speak to

824
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: high school because high school you don't really recruit, they

825
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: just show up. But you have to find leadership. You

826
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: have to find leadership. You have to find leadership. That's

827
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Speaker 1: how you build your culture. Who's your leader, who holds

828
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: them accountable? And then you have to hold that person

829
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: the most accountable. You have to hold all of them accountable.

830
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: If you don't, they think you're a phony. Right, if

831
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: you don't have leadership, you know, look, I have sixteen guys,

832
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: I can play five guys. That means, for the most part,

833
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: there's going to be somewhere between six to ten parents

834
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: that are pissed off every time they turn on the

835
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 1: TV to watch the watch their kid play right, right,

836
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: and and and the players feel that culture is everything,

837
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: everything everything, everything everything. You have to build it from

838
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: the top down with your staff, having great culture and

839
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: having figure out who's gonna lead your team, lean into that,

840
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: trust them, push them, hold them accountable, and they'll hold

841
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: everybody else accountable. The plays don't matter. They don't, right,

842
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: they really don't. I can I can draw JJ Reddick

843
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: is awesome at all. The pretty plays okay, but those

844
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: guys don't like each other, and ultimately it'll end the failure. Right.

845
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Speaker 1: You have to have toughness. Toughness is character. Character is culture.

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Speaker 1: So it's a broad word that everybody says, but I

847
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Speaker 1: can tell you that if you don't have culture, doesn't

848
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: matter because things are gonna get hard, they're gonna feel

849
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Speaker 1: unfair and and they'll either crumble or they'll get stronger

850
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Speaker 1: and find a way to overcome it. That that's what

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Speaker 1: That's what Yukon did tonight. They have great culture. Alex

852
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Speaker 1: Caravan is a has great care, would not let them look. Yes,

853
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: he could have left two years ago in the one

854
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Speaker 1: National Championship, but he didn't and he stayed and then

855
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Speaker 1: have a great year. It doesn't matter. Hit big shots

856
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: made big plays. They have great culture, great character, recruit

857
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Speaker 1: the person and the player will follow. Yeah.

858
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Speaker 2: I've said with JJ Reddick, they actually golf now the Lakers.

859
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 2: They go on the road and they golf as a team.

860
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: And I actually thought that was one of the smartest

861
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Speaker 2: things he's done this year, is taken. I mean, you've

862
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: got old Lebron, You've got a sending Austin, You've got

863
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: like Marcus Smart's your only true defender. Like it's a weird,

864
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: lobsided roster and JJ and I bet you JJ and

865
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: Lebron probably sat down with this and just said, we

866
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Speaker 2: gotta we got to make this a we gotta make

867
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Speaker 2: this collection. Synthesize it, we got to figure it. And

868
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: now they post pictures all the time they're golfing and

869
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: it looks like fun. But I'm like, no, there's a

870
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Speaker 2: real there's a message to that, there's a real.

871
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Speaker 1: No, They're they're definitely, they're definitely trying to build it,

872
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Speaker 1: and you know, everybody's got a different way. I just

873
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't think they. I still think. You watch their

874
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: body language at times and you're like, yeah, I don't.

875
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: You and I both know. Once they get to the playoffs,

876
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: it's so physical, it's so defense worried that it's now

877
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: that changes if they change away, they officiate it and

878
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: they let it be offensive dominated. The way the regular

879
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: season is well, they got a great shot, Yeah, but

880
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: I have I haven't seen that, and you and I

881
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: haven't seen that in our lifetime. In the playoffs. The

882
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: playoffs are a slug pest. The playoffs are about toughness

883
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: and cohesion and ultimately shot making comes after that. And

884
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they have it. But you asked what

885
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: matters culture, character matters more than anything, you know, and

886
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: it's you know, I you want to know. The only

887
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: time a cop has called me in my entire time,

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Speaker 1: and I've been twenty two months on the job, I

889
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: had a kid, he's a freshman, and there was a

890
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: snowstorm and we're driving back from a big road win.

891
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Speaker 1: I think this was that it was first of jail.

892
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: It might have been the first of January. Coach, can

893
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: you come to the office. What's going on? Well, I

894
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: pulled over so and so for doing donuts in the

895
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: parking lot. I said, why are you calling me? Right?

896
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Speaker 1: I said, I was just doing donuts in the parking

897
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Speaker 1: lot with my son, like ten minutes ago, so empty

898
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: parking lot, school's out of session. Kid decided to do

899
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: some donuts with a bunch of his teammates in the car.

900
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Speaker 1: And that's the biggest problem we had. So we weren't

901
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Speaker 1: the most talented. And again, I understand there's a talent

902
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: component when you get to the highest level. Some of

903
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: the things you got to swallow and swallow heart. But

904
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: if you don't have if you don't recruit good character,

905
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Speaker 1: if you don't recruit good people, you don't have good

906
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,560
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907
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,880
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908
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: Don't even don't even suit up, and don't yell, and

909
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,120
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910
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911
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,359
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912
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