Speaker 1: I mean, I've learned to be very thick skinned about
Speaker 1: what people say. Who don't who mean who don't mean anything?
Speaker 1: But when they say, like, I don't care what anyone says,
Speaker 1: I liked you. Oh thank god I'm not on social media. Hello.
Speaker 1: I'm Katherine's Tate and I am Nellie Bertrand from the Office.
Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and thank you so much for joining me
Speaker 1: once again for another episode of Off the Beat. I
Speaker 1: am your host, Brian Baumgartner. Today's episode, you Office fans
Speaker 1: get excited. We've got her. We've finally got her. Katherine
Speaker 1: Tate as a conversation with me in the studio today
Speaker 1: a k A. Nellie Bertram her character so good. Fans
Speaker 1: were so unfair to her. Early on, there was like,
Speaker 1: oh new character, we don't like her. By the end,
Speaker 1: she gave us some of the funniest moments in the
Speaker 1: later seasons of The Office, Am I right? The infamous
Speaker 1: pyramid tablets, the Packer and shrewd love triangle, jousting with Andy,
Speaker 1: adopting Ryan's baby. The list goes on. I love her
Speaker 1: so much. But what many of you don't know this Catherine.
Speaker 1: She's a legend in the UK across the Pond, as
Speaker 1: I call it. She had her own show, the Katherine
Speaker 1: Tate Show. Now there's the Nan movie is out dr
Speaker 1: who She is so incredibly talented and she has created
Speaker 1: some of the greatest British humor in the history of
Speaker 1: the BBC. And in fact, if you're ever curious just
Speaker 1: about how influential she is, know this. Know that Adele
Speaker 1: dressed up as Catherine's Nan character on her twenty nine birthday.
Speaker 1: Look at the pictures. It is incredible. But we've waited
Speaker 1: long enough. No more talk from me. Let's hear from
Speaker 1: the genius herself, Catherine Tate. Everybody, Bubble and Squeak. I
Speaker 1: love it. Bubble and Squeak, Bubble and Squeaker. Cookie every
Speaker 1: month left over from the nattypo Catherine, Right, I see you.
Speaker 1: How are you doing all right? How are you? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm hanging in there? How about that
Speaker 1: I'm hanging in there? Uh, you're busier than ever. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable how busy you are. It would appear so,
Speaker 1: but it's really just COVID that has made it sound
Speaker 1: of scene like I'm very much on the production line.
Speaker 1: It's that a couple of projects that I did have
Speaker 1: come out very close together, That's what it was. But
Speaker 1: they were actually they were actually a couple of years
Speaker 1: apart in making, and then cod just came in and
Speaker 1: one got the movie. That Nan movie got held up
Speaker 1: drastically in post production, and then hard sale to be
Speaker 1: fair hard sale. We gosh, we feel that about nine
Speaker 1: months ago. And that was a very turnaround because it's
Speaker 1: Netflix run a tight ship and we there was a
Speaker 1: big old a schedule and we didn't get shut down
Speaker 1: from COVID. We were very lucky. But yeah, but they
Speaker 1: got released within sort of like about three, three or
Speaker 1: four weeks of each other. So it looks like I'm
Speaker 1: list variants. All right, we're going to talk about both
Speaker 1: of those projects and everything else that you're doing. I
Speaker 1: want to start back at the beginning. Yes, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not just the accent. I did my research. You're
Speaker 1: from England, a small town called England, a small town
Speaker 1: called England, and you I understand you went to convent school.
Speaker 1: Is this correct? I went to a variety of Catholic
Speaker 1: based educational establishments and sort of one by one they
Speaker 1: picked me off and said, on your way. Because the
Speaker 1: thing is the thing is I knew I think I
Speaker 1: need from quite a young age, I wanted to be
Speaker 1: an actor. But what the nuns heard. Instead of me
Speaker 1: saying I wanted to be an actor or an actress,
Speaker 1: what they heard was I want to be a prostitute,
Speaker 1: because it seemed to be synonymous with with with loose
Speaker 1: moraled people. I think, and they didn't really know what
Speaker 1: to do with me. And it was the in the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. I hopped around quite a lot of different
Speaker 1: high schools in middle school and ended up what did
Speaker 1: I end up doing? And I think I ended up
Speaker 1: still leaving, still leaving before my final exams. I was
Speaker 1: a terrible example. I'm a terrible example too. Two children, Well,
Speaker 1: I also heard, is this right? You went to a
Speaker 1: boy's Roman Catholic school? I did? How does that happen?
Speaker 1: How is that allowed happens when all the girls schools
Speaker 1: have heard about you and go don't let her in?
Speaker 1: She wants to be a buster child? Did you have? Now?
Speaker 1: Was this family that you went to a convent school?
Speaker 1: Was this I went? I started? I started off in
Speaker 1: an element each school. Yeah, and it's not not a
Speaker 1: convent school, but but an elementary Catholic school that my
Speaker 1: mom had gone to, and my nan my grandmother had
Speaker 1: gone to, and you know, just right down the line.
Speaker 1: And then I then I went to I think I
Speaker 1: went to four different schools and then found a place
Speaker 1: in South London that would accept me. But it was
Speaker 1: a boys school and it was fantastic, you know, I absolutely,
Speaker 1: I absolutely didn't get a lot of work done, didn't
Speaker 1: come out many times, but it felt like being it
Speaker 1: was like being a pop star. They'd allowed four girls
Speaker 1: into the high school part of it, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it was people. Kids were just like these young boys.
Speaker 1: They'd sort of run up, touch you and then run
Speaker 1: away again. You know, I mean me two kind of way.
Speaker 1: I have to say, just like year old. But you
Speaker 1: were like you were just this novelty. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: absolutely loved my time. They're the only thing I got
Speaker 1: from there. I was doing plays and learning French. Yeah
Speaker 1: I know French too, probably not as well as you,
Speaker 1: but and it's one of my biggest regrets. I have
Speaker 1: to say that I don't speak Spanish. I wish I
Speaker 1: spoke Spanish, right. I lived in Spain, so I speak Spanish. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I lived in Madrid and and Lucia all right, when
Speaker 1: did you decide you wanted to be an actress? Early? Definitely,
Speaker 1: by the time I was a teenager, I knew I
Speaker 1: wanted to be an actor. Yeah, was this from your
Speaker 1: family or no? No, there's there's no kind of family
Speaker 1: connection with theater, although my mom does still maintain that.
Speaker 1: The reason I can do so many voices is because
Speaker 1: when I was little she used to read me my
Speaker 1: bedtime stories and used to all the all the voices.
Speaker 1: So so I know all to my mother and I'm
Speaker 1: very grateful. And although I didn't come from a family
Speaker 1: of actors, I definitely came from funny people. You know.
Speaker 1: I think I knew what funny was very early on,
Speaker 1: and I knew I could I could kind of identify
Speaker 1: what was a funny turn of phrase. I came from
Speaker 1: people who can tell a story, and that often goes
Speaker 1: hand in hand with making people laugh and writing as well.
Speaker 1: I think because you you you you understand or you're
Speaker 1: drawn to narrative and you're drawn to characters and dialogue,
Speaker 1: and that's what I love to do. And listening to
Speaker 1: the way people speak as well. Find people speak patterns fascinating.
Speaker 1: Right from an early age, would you say that you
Speaker 1: were interested in acting in terms of creating a character
Speaker 1: or were you Were you more interested early on in comedy.
Speaker 1: I think I was interested. Well, I was an incredibly
Speaker 1: shy child, really really shy. So I mean talk about
Speaker 1: you know, least expected to do anything alone, get up
Speaker 1: and make people laugh. That was that would have been me,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I you know, I mean, I
Speaker 1: was painfully shy. So potentially I suppose if I was
Speaker 1: thinking about it, maybe I did to find a route
Speaker 1: in with sort of making characters and and doing sort
Speaker 1: of voices and becoming other than myself. But I definitely
Speaker 1: identified quite early on that a really good way of
Speaker 1: deterring bullies was to be able to make me laugh.
Speaker 1: And and that really emboldened me, really because I've had
Speaker 1: a really unhappy stint at school at one of the
Speaker 1: Catholic school one of the convents had really unhappy stint there,
Speaker 1: and I realized one day that actually, if you can
Speaker 1: make them laugh, they will leave you alone. And and
Speaker 1: that's I think that's kind of where I definitely honed
Speaker 1: it as a defense mechanism. Yeah, so, so so hiding in
Speaker 1: a way, still being shy, hiding in a way behind
Speaker 1: the characters that you created early on, I guess, although
Speaker 1: I although I I didn't do characters or anything when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, but I I learned a way
Speaker 1: of making people laugh, you know. I learned to I
Speaker 1: suppose to create the character of the of the of
Speaker 1: the of the comedian, of the class clown, you know,
Speaker 1: all of the of the funny one, and and it
Speaker 1: protected me, I felt right. So I I came from
Speaker 1: theater myself. I never thought I would, you know, do
Speaker 1: film and television. For me, it was all about theater
Speaker 1: and live performance and creating characters on stage. You early
Speaker 1: on very prestigious in in Britain. In London. You became
Speaker 1: a member of the National Youth Theater. And I heard
Speaker 1: you auditioned four times for Drama School. I auditioned for
Speaker 1: four times. Yeah, but no nash to Youth Theater. I yeah,
Speaker 1: I was there with Daniel Craig. He was the shining
Speaker 1: light when I was when I was at Youth Theater
Speaker 1: and I was. I was when he was playing Leonardo,
Speaker 1: the lead in Blood Wedding. I was playing girl one.
Speaker 1: So that's uh yeah, and things things blossomed from there. Well.
Speaker 1: You must have had experiences though on on stage other
Speaker 1: than Girl One through your How long were you there? Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is I was there for quite a few years.
Speaker 1: But we kept we kept doing, we kept turning out
Speaker 1: this same the same play, because I guess it has
Speaker 1: got a little bit of success. But I know, we
Speaker 1: took it to Spain, we took it to the West End,
Speaker 1: we did it again in the West End, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think at some point, so I wasn't in
Speaker 1: this particular car, but I think it then went we
Speaker 1: went to Russia or something, you know. I mean, we
Speaker 1: really flogged to this one and I just had a
Speaker 1: great time. I had a fantastic time. But I had
Speaker 1: also some running concurrently with that, I joined another youth
Speaker 1: theater in the East End of London, where I did
Speaker 1: get the chance to do lots of fun parts and
Speaker 1: you know, had a little bit more to student Girl One. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then by the time I got to Central, which
Speaker 1: was college essentially, we all got our chance at doing
Speaker 1: leads and great parts. Yeah. Did you think that theater
Speaker 1: was what you were going to do or did you
Speaker 1: always have an idea of something else. No, I absolutely
Speaker 1: loved theater. And my my first job out of college
Speaker 1: actually was at the National Theater. So I having graduation
Speaker 1: from the Youth Theater, I went to the actual National
Speaker 1: Theater and stayed there about a year, I guess. And
Speaker 1: did you know that touring shows, you know, like around
Speaker 1: the theaters doing My first job was Arf Miller was
Speaker 1: all my sons? Where did you playing all my sons?
Speaker 1: The girl? The girl in it? You know? They? And yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was a long time ago. I
Speaker 1: did Joe Color twice. By the way, sorry, it's about me.
Speaker 1: I did Joe Kelor twice as a much much too
Speaker 1: young man. Yes, I did Joel twice, right right, yes,
Speaker 1: I would say so, uh so, Yeah, I just didn't
Speaker 1: didn't occur to me. Even when we were at school,
Speaker 1: you know, drama school. It was theater that we were
Speaker 1: trained in. We you had a couple of a tiny
Speaker 1: smattering of film and television, I mean as a novelty. Really,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like or something. It was still
Speaker 1: theater was the thing that the school wanted to churn
Speaker 1: out theater actors, you know, And I absolutely thought that
Speaker 1: would be what what I did, what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: But by the time I graduated, the idea of repertory
Speaker 1: theater just wasn't in the country anymore, did out all
Speaker 1: the all the regional theaters. All they did was received
Speaker 1: the big touring production on a weekly basic basically, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that that was all I want to do
Speaker 1: and just thought, oh my god, I'll just go around
Speaker 1: doing plays all the time. And and it didn't really
Speaker 1: didn't really pan out like that, right, So what did
Speaker 1: you So? What did you do? You graduate? And you're like, well,
Speaker 1: that life that I thought that I had, well, I
Speaker 1: graduated and it all started off okay because I got
Speaker 1: I was I was at the Nashville for a year
Speaker 1: only doing like small parts and I'm studying that. You know,
Speaker 1: what do you care? You know, twenty five? Who cares?
Speaker 1: You know, that's what you should be doing. And then
Speaker 1: my contract stopped and and I realized, you know what,
Speaker 1: I've got a feeling. I just had this inkling that
Speaker 1: I needed to do stand up because I needed to
Speaker 1: separate myself from the pack, as it were. If you're
Speaker 1: if you've just left drama college, there's plenty of young
Speaker 1: twenty somethings you know, who have who have just graduated
Speaker 1: when you have, you know, I had to do something
Speaker 1: that sort of put put me in a different environment,
Speaker 1: and and so I just held my breasting, jumps in
Speaker 1: and started doing stand up And that was the best
Speaker 1: thing I've ever done, because that from there, that was it.
Speaker 1: It was the difference between waiting for the phone to
Speaker 1: ring from your agent going oh, there's this this audition
Speaker 1: and picking up the phone and booking your own spots,
Speaker 1: you know. And I had a day job. I was
Speaker 1: working in an office ironically, and then and then after
Speaker 1: a few years, I was able to stop the day
Speaker 1: job and do do stand up full time. But it
Speaker 1: was having that power. It's taking back that power and
Speaker 1: feeling you've got some agency over your career where you know,
Speaker 1: as many actors they don't you know, they don't you
Speaker 1: are you are at the mercy of of the of
Speaker 1: the casting calls, aren't you? Yes? How how was that
Speaker 1: experience for you? Terrifying? Was it exhilarating? Obviously it's still
Speaker 1: in front of a live audience, so you have experience
Speaker 1: with that, but now they have to laugh, right, How
Speaker 1: was that experience for you? It was it was all
Speaker 1: of those things. It was terrifying, exhilarating, It was like
Speaker 1: an out of body experience. I mean, if you analyze it.
Speaker 1: The act of doing stand up. It's a preposterous idea,
Speaker 1: and you'd never you'd never suggest anyone does it, and
Speaker 1: you certainly wouldn't do it for yourself, you know, the
Speaker 1: idea of Yes, I definitely had a bit of stagecraft.
Speaker 1: So when I when I went out and did my
Speaker 1: first open spot, what would you call them open spots? Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: open mic er whatever, yeah yeah, open mic exactly. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the first time I've been in front of an audience,
Speaker 1: so I had that going for me. But even little
Speaker 1: simple things like I've never held a microphone in my hand. Why,
Speaker 1: how Why would I worked in theater? You didn't need
Speaker 1: you didn't use the microphone. It was just like what
Speaker 1: you do with this? Oh my god? What's this? And
Speaker 1: it was but it dawned on me, I think halfway
Speaker 1: through my sort of my little five minute opens but
Speaker 1: was this is ridiculous because not only am I asking people,
Speaker 1: not only are you expecting people to be quiet, you're
Speaker 1: asking them to listen and then laugh at what you say.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's that the notion is ridiculous. If you,
Speaker 1: if you, if you analyze it, But I loved it.
Speaker 1: I loved it, and I liked being frightened. I liked
Speaker 1: because it did frighten me. But I liked the challenge
Speaker 1: of it. I felt a great sense of achievement and
Speaker 1: just facing all those demons of being able to shut
Speaker 1: people up and and and that for me, I loved that.
Speaker 1: I just love that, you know, I loved thinking people
Speaker 1: could smell blood in the water. Because the thing is,
Speaker 1: this was what was this the nine in the nineties.
Speaker 1: This is in the nineties, and it was not uncommon
Speaker 1: for as your name as they introduce used to before
Speaker 1: you've even got to the microphone, people would just shout
Speaker 1: out your ship, yes, so it's really really um it was.
Speaker 1: But I liked the gladiatorial aspect of it. I did.
Speaker 1: I did because most of the time I actually thought,
Speaker 1: it's all right. I know you think I can't take
Speaker 1: you on, but I can and I and I can
Speaker 1: make you laugh as well. And obviously the thing about
Speaker 1: there's two different kinds of feelings. I think. One is
Speaker 1: when you've written a joke and you try it out
Speaker 1: and it gets that laugh and it lands and you go,
Speaker 1: oh great. And the other one is coming up with
Speaker 1: something on you know, on the fly, and there are
Speaker 1: two different kinds of things, but they are both equally beautiful,
Speaker 1: you know too, to absorb. And it's just, honestly, it's feeling.
Speaker 1: It's just feeling king of the world, Queen of the
Speaker 1: person of the world when you walk, when you walk
Speaker 1: off off a gig, and it's gone well as a
Speaker 1: posed to walking off a gig, and it hasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's worth And I remember a much more, much more
Speaker 1: experienced stand up at the time said to me, you
Speaker 1: will learn much more from your bad gigs than you
Speaker 1: ever will your good gigs. And it's absolutely true. And
Speaker 1: I didn't have a bad gig till I've been doing
Speaker 1: it about for quite a while, so I was the
Speaker 1: hubris I had was dangerous because you walk in, you
Speaker 1: think this is here, here, we are, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And then suddenly the first time, everything you've
Speaker 1: done before, the alchemy is not there. Suddenly that that
Speaker 1: chemistry or whatever it is, and you know you're saying
Speaker 1: the same thing and you're doing the same thing, and
Speaker 1: you are the same person. They're not having it. And
Speaker 1: I remember walking literally walking off stage to the sound
Speaker 1: of my own footsteps and just honing my craft on
Speaker 1: that night. I remember, I remember like doing a workshop
Speaker 1: with myself and go, when this happens, You've got to
Speaker 1: do this when this happens, you know, and and it
Speaker 1: rung in my ears what that guy had said, you
Speaker 1: will learn more from your bad gigs, because you know,
Speaker 1: six weeks in and I'm thinking, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: have a bad gig. You you suckers. Yeah exactly, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: And then and then when when you do the we
Speaker 1: have it. Well, we did have a thing here and
Speaker 1: it was called the Network, and you go around and
Speaker 1: do college campuses and they were brutal and that was
Speaker 1: that that was a learning ground, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But the deal was unless you stayed on for your
Speaker 1: full five minutes set, you wouldn't get paid. And that
Speaker 1: that taught you many things because you just had to
Speaker 1: find a way of just staying there before they physically
Speaker 1: because you know, the students would want to physically remove you.
Speaker 1: And you're like, no, I'm not not getting plaid unless
Speaker 1: you did that a peri king. Yes, do you And
Speaker 1: this is an ignorant question. Do you think that the
Speaker 1: stand up form? Would you say it's similar or the
Speaker 1: same as the United States or do you think in
Speaker 1: Britain there is more theatricality And I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think about Eddie Izard or others that I feel like
Speaker 1: that I've seen British comedians who I feel like there's
Speaker 1: more of a show as opposed to just telling jokes,
Speaker 1: or do you feel like the form is similar. I
Speaker 1: would have to say, now, I have to preface this
Speaker 1: with the fact that it's been a while since I've
Speaker 1: been in a comedy club, It's been a while since
Speaker 1: i've seen life stand up. I kind of feel there's more,
Speaker 1: there's more similarities, partly because I think even though British
Speaker 1: comedians have a very very distinctive style, I think there's
Speaker 1: always We're always looking to what's happening in America and
Speaker 1: most people's influences more Americans stand ups, you know, most
Speaker 1: people's influences or not necessarily influences, but but points of
Speaker 1: reference and memories. And I can remember when I was
Speaker 1: a student going to see Bill Hicks, and um, I've
Speaker 1: just never seen anyone on stage be so irreverent, you know,
Speaker 1: and just so I was open mouthed with with just
Speaker 1: how thrilling it was. And and I just think there's
Speaker 1: a I don't know, there's there's Well, at the time,
Speaker 1: I think there was possibly less self deprecation in the
Speaker 1: American stand ups. I think I think it's all evened
Speaker 1: out now and we all find our common ground of
Speaker 1: of of of speaking about our own failures. Really, I
Speaker 1: think that's funny as failure. Really, when did you start
Speaker 1: developing your own character? So when did you decide that
Speaker 1: that was a direction you wanted to go so that
Speaker 1: that that wasn't through your stand up? Was that separate? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I wasn't. I didn't. I just didn't have
Speaker 1: the stomach to go out with props. I just think
Speaker 1: that's you've got to be pretty fearless, you know. It's
Speaker 1: sort of like it's another level up when you say,
Speaker 1: not only going to be quiet, you're gonna listen, you're
Speaker 1: gonna laugh, You're gonna wait, will I get these hats
Speaker 1: out of my bag? You know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: I was like, for me, it's because I didn't really
Speaker 1: love seeing character comedy too much, you know. And I
Speaker 1: also didn't want that barrier between me and the audience.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to have to filter a heckle through
Speaker 1: the mouth of someone else. Or anything like that, and
Speaker 1: so I didn't I don't think I really had any
Speaker 1: interest in doing characters. It was only that one of
Speaker 1: the real bankers in my set was was the germ
Speaker 1: of what became, bizarrely what is now a film. It's
Speaker 1: called the Nan Movie. And I used to I, I
Speaker 1: kind of like put it in context as if it
Speaker 1: was a conversation I'd had with my Nan, which my
Speaker 1: Nan wasn't like that, you know. It was good shortcuts
Speaker 1: and I just did this voice. All it was, I
Speaker 1: would do this voice, this Nan voice, and it became
Speaker 1: a kind of calling card really, you know, because it
Speaker 1: was at the end of my setting. Uh And and
Speaker 1: it got me noticed because it was I guess you
Speaker 1: know at the time, Um, it was it was strange
Speaker 1: to see this this what essentially was a younger was
Speaker 1: a young girl with with a with a very old
Speaker 1: voice coming out of her and it and it took
Speaker 1: people by surprise and that and it was only it
Speaker 1: was funny enough. It was having said I wasn't mad
Speaker 1: on character comedians. There is a character comedian and I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know him. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's in America, but he's called it's called Al Murray
Speaker 1: and he does a character called the pub Landlord and
Speaker 1: he's incredibly popular here and he's absolutely brilliant. But he
Speaker 1: came up to me one day and he said, you
Speaker 1: need to do that as a character, and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But anyway, through doing stand up,
Speaker 1: I met a comedian called Lee Mack. He asked me
Speaker 1: if i'd go to the Edinburgh Festival and do a
Speaker 1: sketch show with him. But he he wrote it all
Speaker 1: and I was just I was just kind of like
Speaker 1: the girl in the sketch show, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We did that a couple of years, we got nominated
Speaker 1: for Perier and the next year it was suggested that
Speaker 1: I go up with my own solo show and that
Speaker 1: was that was the first time when I thought, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I better come up with some characters. And
Speaker 1: I developed that. I kind of like fleshed out that
Speaker 1: non character. Went up to Edinburgh, did it, did it?
Speaker 1: Did a show with five I think it's five characters.
Speaker 1: Absolutely petrified. I was completely unprepared. The first night, I
Speaker 1: improvised most of it. Didn't realize there was a national
Speaker 1: newspaper in They gave me a massively great review. I
Speaker 1: sold out that run and it kind of just went
Speaker 1: like that. But I remember coming off stage realizing it
Speaker 1: had gone well and having to run to an internet
Speaker 1: cafe in order to get to try and remember everything
Speaker 1: i'd i'd said and write it down, and that became
Speaker 1: my script. Yeah, it was. When I think back, I
Speaker 1: was a good lord. It's and I don't know where.
Speaker 1: I imagine it's some sort of gene that I'm missing
Speaker 1: in terms of preparation or fear or organization or something.
Speaker 1: I've I've always sort of flown on the seat of
Speaker 1: my pants quite quite a lot. And then from then
Speaker 1: on the BBC saw me in that show and you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of went a little too smoothly, but I
Speaker 1: can't complain. Yes, well, for those of you who don't know,
Speaker 1: the Katherine t Show ran off and on on the
Speaker 1: BBC for a long time. What were your what were
Speaker 1: your inspiration? So you you had this show that you
Speaker 1: did in Edinburgh. I guess you know. For me, we
Speaker 1: I've watched these like French and Saunders and we had
Speaker 1: a show called Three of a Kind and a brilliant
Speaker 1: woman called Victoria would was a massive um. I would
Speaker 1: never I could never say. I mean, she was an
Speaker 1: inspiration to me because she was so funny, But I
Speaker 1: mean I could never compare myself to Victoria would but
Speaker 1: she she was incredible. But to be honest, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know. It wasn't like I was thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: I've got to make these characters up. It was just
Speaker 1: purely the deadline of going they're going to be filming this.
Speaker 1: I think, oh, I better do a Scottish one. I
Speaker 1: better do an Irish one, you know. And even when
Speaker 1: we were forming it, I was completely convinced it's I
Speaker 1: was like, it's not gonna it's not like that actually
Speaker 1: going to show it? Is it? You know? And and
Speaker 1: they did. They went and showed it. They showed it,
Speaker 1: showed it on the telly and you you have a
Speaker 1: particular distinction. I read this the Oxford Dictionary Word of
Speaker 1: the Year for two thousand six. Yes, they came from
Speaker 1: your show, well one of my characters. This is the
Speaker 1: other thing, you know, I kind of seem to have catchphrases,
Speaker 1: which I had no idea year anyone was going to
Speaker 1: pick up on what I was saying. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: it's not like you can actually sit down and write
Speaker 1: a catchphrase. You can't. It's the public. It's your fans
Speaker 1: who make a catchphrase by repeating it. And I just
Speaker 1: could couldn't believe it that anyway. One of the character
Speaker 1: I died was a belligerent teenager who's stop phrase to
Speaker 1: anything was am I bothered? I bothered? Look at my face?
Speaker 1: My face aunt bothered bothered, which is of course just
Speaker 1: a bastardization of the word bothered, And then you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not bothered. But it was very much with VS
Speaker 1: and it took off like wildfire, to the point where
Speaker 1: it's still a thing people use and still a thing
Speaker 1: people say, and it's incredible. But yes, but but but
Speaker 1: it infiltrated the language so much that the Oxford Dictionary
Speaker 1: made it an official word. And yes, it was word
Speaker 1: of the Year one year. But now it is actually
Speaker 1: an entry into the into the yeah, into the Lexican.
Speaker 1: So that is that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Now we're
Speaker 1: getting to to Nan. So, one of everyone's favorite characters
Speaker 1: from the Catherine Tade Show, which was based on not
Speaker 1: based on your nan, right, was not based on not
Speaker 1: based on your name, but probably a collection of old ladies.
Speaker 1: I had the privilege of growing up with there was
Speaker 1: some there was germs of of you know, that idea.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just had this voice in my
Speaker 1: head and it really went from there. Right. Actually, So wait,
Speaker 1: I have a question about that. You the characters you create,
Speaker 1: do you feel like most of them come from your
Speaker 1: own past experiences? You say, a combination of people. I
Speaker 1: mean saying that very loosely, very very very loosely, I guess.
Speaker 1: But it's but they don't end up being the people
Speaker 1: that I then portray, you know, I mean that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like you can steal from people's characters and you
Speaker 1: can hide you can hide someone's personality, well you can
Speaker 1: steal it, but you can hide their identity rather as
Speaker 1: long as you change their physical appearance, because people seem
Speaker 1: to only identify themselves physically. And it's so interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because I have one of my characters.
Speaker 1: It's just a married, married couple. They're married couple. They're
Speaker 1: called Paul and Sam. And she starts off every conversation
Speaker 1: with you aren't believe what happens to me to day? Right,
Speaker 1: you just don't believe it, right, And she just puts
Speaker 1: on to tell quite an art story. Now I know
Speaker 1: that person. I absolutely know that person, but because that
Speaker 1: person doesn't have long, dark hair, they seem to have
Speaker 1: no idea that's them. Because when the show first went out,
Speaker 1: they came up to me and said, I've just seen
Speaker 1: your show. You won't belave it. It's on television and
Speaker 1: this and the shows like that character that is hilarious,
Speaker 1: and it's like, it's so extraordinary. There's there's another character
Speaker 1: that I do, which is I mean is actually it
Speaker 1: is based on my mom and it's it's we just
Speaker 1: called a screaming woman, and it's someone who screams every opportunity.
Speaker 1: Is what my mom did that that the phone would
Speaker 1: ring and my mom would go, you know, scream and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know that's what the sun does,
Speaker 1: like the doorbell would ring, you know, she s. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I remember watching that with my mom when my show
Speaker 1: went out, and this this it was it was a
Speaker 1: sketch of a woman standing in front of a microwave
Speaker 1: and looking at the countdown go from nine seconds to zero,
Speaker 1: and on zero it beats and the woman screams and
Speaker 1: my mom laughed and I said, Mom, you're not that
Speaker 1: space that's you. You know that. And my mom said,
Speaker 1: don't be ridiculous. My hair doesn't look like that bad
Speaker 1: curly hair on this on this character, and how funny
Speaker 1: someone who screams at things. So obviously you you have
Speaker 1: different hair, you have prosthetics, you have different things that
Speaker 1: change your appearance. My question is, are there are there
Speaker 1: things that you do physically to get into certain characters? Brian,
Speaker 1: If only I was so highbrow that I did that.
Speaker 1: I literally I get into characters because I've got a
Speaker 1: tax bill to pay. No, I would say, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm definitely not very message. If it feels right,
Speaker 1: I do it. But I don't. I don't have any
Speaker 1: backstories to my I'm not talking about that. Hold on,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you an example. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is not highbrow, that's not backs. This isn't
Speaker 1: that so Kevin Malone, right, the character that I played
Speaker 1: on the Office. So for me, I had this idea
Speaker 1: that he didn't realize his size in space. He just
Speaker 1: was unaware that he was as big as he was.
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that I thought about
Speaker 1: was his hips did not rotate, right. There was no rotating,
Speaker 1: so if he had to look to the right, his
Speaker 1: entire body had to move to the right. Like there
Speaker 1: was this status thing. So that's what I'm talking about, Like,
Speaker 1: is was there anything like that? And if the answer
Speaker 1: is no, then then that's fine. But I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think there there were, partly because most of the
Speaker 1: characters that I do ask are in are in short form,
Speaker 1: they're in sketches, so you kind of don't know that
Speaker 1: you don't have that relationship with them to build up
Speaker 1: that that kind of stuff. So it has to have
Speaker 1: a shorthand. And that's why I say, like, if it
Speaker 1: felt right, I did it, and I would I would
Speaker 1: I would move differently. But I just think it was
Speaker 1: just putting on the stuff and the voice coming out,
Speaker 1: and just knowing I had to do it, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to particulate it. Yeah, okay, because it was
Speaker 1: just more of a thing that happened, but probably because
Speaker 1: it had to happen much more fast, right, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. That's so interesting about Kevin. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: to be to be honest, that was something that I mean,
Speaker 1: I think, like you, that was something with the voice,
Speaker 1: with the physicality that I did. It wasn't until afterward
Speaker 1: that I went back and was like, oh, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I don't know if that makes sense. So
Speaker 1: I think I think kind of similarly was sort of
Speaker 1: approach similarly, Oh that's just how he moves. So Nan
Speaker 1: takes off. You have you have the show now, Nan?
Speaker 1: Was that a challenge for you taking to spending so
Speaker 1: much time in that character's body. I think it was
Speaker 1: the only I realized it was the only character out
Speaker 1: of all of the characters from the Step show that
Speaker 1: really had the as they say, you know, the legs
Speaker 1: too to sustain a longer form of narrative. And so
Speaker 1: we did quite a few specials with that character and
Speaker 1: and people loved that. You know, people do love that
Speaker 1: character here. It's she She's just kind of got into
Speaker 1: the society somehow. And it's probably because everyone knows someone
Speaker 1: like that here, whether it's a neighbor, whether it's their
Speaker 1: own mother, whether it's their grandmother. But I'm always told, oh,
Speaker 1: my god, my mother in law's just like that, my
Speaker 1: aunt's like that, my neighbor, you know, my own mom,
Speaker 1: you know my name, you know, and and it's it's
Speaker 1: really yeah, it's really lovely to see the way she
Speaker 1: just got embraced and I felt, I mean, also there's
Speaker 1: you know, not not to be coy of out there's
Speaker 1: there's there's a great deal. Um, there's a great deal
Speaker 1: of the success, which is just about old people swearing
Speaker 1: the privilege, privilege of ages. It's funny to see old
Speaker 1: people swear. Right, Well, you're just at the movie. The
Speaker 1: Nan movie come out. As far as I can tell,
Speaker 1: it is not available yet in the United States. I'm
Speaker 1: sure very soon. Yes, I saw you showed up at
Speaker 1: the premiere as a name that Nan showed up. You know,
Speaker 1: publicity is always a difficult thing. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's much more fun to be it's certainly much more
Speaker 1: fun to be able to do it as as Nan.
Speaker 1: And that's um yeah, I mean that was the biggest
Speaker 1: challenge to take what was essentially a sketch character and
Speaker 1: and and do a film. But it became an origin
Speaker 1: story and we go back in time and it and
Speaker 1: it kind of explains why she is such a kind
Speaker 1: of contact us old bastard. And we shot the past
Speaker 1: on film and it's not what you expect. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's certainly not what anyone I think would have ever
Speaker 1: thought was going to come from a skep character. So
Speaker 1: so it's great. What are what are some of your
Speaker 1: favorite British comedies all time? Um? Well, the Catherine Tae
Speaker 1: Show obviously, But I mean, come on the Office. I
Speaker 1: have to say the British Office, I always thought and
Speaker 1: maintain is a piece of modern art. I really do
Speaker 1: as I say. French and Saunders Cada. Gosh, I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm wondering what are the British compedists. What
Speaker 1: are they? Well, I don't know, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know the doctor who qualifies um as a comedy? But
Speaker 1: how was that experience for you appearing on such an
Speaker 1: iconic show? It was at the time. Well, I I
Speaker 1: didn't realize until recently how extraordinary my stint on that
Speaker 1: show has been for me, because I I just I mean, look,
Speaker 1: it isn't the kind of subject matter I choose to
Speaker 1: watch or engage in because I don't. I just don't
Speaker 1: have a big enough imagination to grasp what I mean.
Speaker 1: Most of the time I was in a show that
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't understand it. I think you just want to be
Speaker 1: quite intelligent to gott to stand side by, and I
Speaker 1: guess I'm just not. I had a most fantastic time
Speaker 1: making it. I made it, you know. We had just
Speaker 1: the most brilliant year in Cardiff in Wales, me and
Speaker 1: David Tennant and we loved it and I loved it
Speaker 1: and that was it. And I just thought, and that
Speaker 1: was it. I had no idea the fan base of
Speaker 1: Doctor Who. I really didn't and also because I don't
Speaker 1: watch it and I didn't watch it when it went
Speaker 1: out or anything like that. I didn't And I'm so
Speaker 1: I'm not on social media. I have no idea really
Speaker 1: how things are are going. And it was only David
Speaker 1: saying to me, why why don't you do comic CON's
Speaker 1: And I said, for what? I mean, who who would
Speaker 1: possibly would remember me on it? You know? And he
Speaker 1: said you should come and do it. And I was
Speaker 1: blown away because most of all, yes, most of them
Speaker 1: are in America. So I had no idea. Not only
Speaker 1: did I have no idea anyone knew the character was
Speaker 1: anyway after it finished, that it had traveled across the continent.
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I was amazed, amazing, it really is.
Speaker 1: I do consider it. Of all the things I've done,
Speaker 1: I do consider doctor Who one of the greatest privileges
Speaker 1: to have done, because it really matters to so many people.
Speaker 1: As to be fair, does the Office. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: you know that more not more than I do. But
Speaker 1: you know, things that aren't in people's it's almost like
Speaker 1: there in the fabric of people's lives. And that's that's
Speaker 1: not nothing. No, it's not nothing. No, it really matters
Speaker 1: to people. I've been fortunate enough to have been told
Speaker 1: many times the comfort that the Office brings to people,
Speaker 1: the feeling that it gives them, it is. It is
Speaker 1: a privilege. I think you're I think you're exactly right.
Speaker 1: You brought up that the u k. The Original Office
Speaker 1: is one of you know, your favorite British comedies. Were
Speaker 1: you aware of the American version before you came across
Speaker 1: the pond? Yes, I was. I was. I have to say,
Speaker 1: when I first heard that a remake was going to happen,
Speaker 1: I was furious, apoplectic. I was just you know, I
Speaker 1: was full to the brim with scorn and derision at
Speaker 1: the idea that anyone would would touch this show until
Speaker 1: I saw it. I've heard this before. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just well, I think it's because we we
Speaker 1: we we prejudged what it was going to be, and
Speaker 1: I think what for what what essentially was a very
Speaker 1: very Unamerican show that was where the two things just
Speaker 1: didn't You just couldn't see how these would make bedfellows.
Speaker 1: This this British show in the hands of American comedy,
Speaker 1: American comedy that is brilliant and we love it, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't do that. It doesn't do that, And what
Speaker 1: are you going to do? Are you going to make? Well?
Speaker 1: How wrong we were and how wrong I was, and
Speaker 1: I was hooked and I didn't and I didn't think
Speaker 1: I could have loved anything more than I loved the
Speaker 1: British version. And then I saw Steve Krall yeah and
Speaker 1: everyone else and it was amazing. And so it was
Speaker 1: very very close to my heart before I before I
Speaker 1: got a phone call to say they were thinking about
Speaker 1: putting me in it. You know that to me, that
Speaker 1: was like that was nuts, that was like, that was
Speaker 1: like a fan moment. You know, that's like all I
Speaker 1: do is watch this show. I watched this show, right,
Speaker 1: and the idea of being in it was too surreal
Speaker 1: for me, Right, I talked to Ricky Gerveiz about this.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he fully agrees with me, but
Speaker 1: with you know, with time and distance between the two
Speaker 1: shows and both of them being done now, and and
Speaker 1: part of it is I understand the model in the
Speaker 1: UK is very different, but at least I guess defined
Speaker 1: in terms of American sensibility, the British version brilliant. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was a huge fan of it, but I think
Speaker 1: by the time it is over, I think in terms
Speaker 1: of America it really is like a mini series. The
Speaker 1: show starts and Ricky Gervais character David Brent, the clock
Speaker 1: is ticking from the beginning, like there's there's no way
Speaker 1: that Ricky, that David Brent lasts in that job for
Speaker 1: nine years. It's not. It's not possible. So I think
Speaker 1: to me that that now is sort of where I
Speaker 1: I sit with it, And just in terms of them
Speaker 1: being almost two totally different entities as opposed to trying
Speaker 1: to compare them, I think that's absolutely right. And I
Speaker 1: think also if you talk about the model, and I
Speaker 1: think that's right, but I think I think he went
Speaker 1: into that show. In fact, as I understand it, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure he went in to that show, knowing there
Speaker 1: was going to be a cut off point, and knowing
Speaker 1: it was going to be short lived, and knowing it
Speaker 1: was going to come in, burn brightly and go and remain.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't. You know, I don't think he had
Speaker 1: any interest in doing doing the American model of it
Speaker 1: on on on his turf, you know the fact, and
Speaker 1: that was the thing that was so like, how is
Speaker 1: this going to carry on? You know? But of four
Speaker 1: it was like the battle was passed and a different
Speaker 1: race began. I think you know it was because I
Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right. They are. They are two very
Speaker 1: very different things, both equally brilliant, and and and and
Speaker 1: and sort of strangely not comparable, even though the same thing,
Speaker 1: you know, came from them, right you you came in
Speaker 1: in episodes in season seven Search Committee episode at that point,
Speaker 1: were you aware that you were coming back when you
Speaker 1: came and did the guest stop? No, when I came,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this is what happened. I think I
Speaker 1: came in and and sort of filmed the interview. That's
Speaker 1: what she did, didn't in the interview, And I was
Speaker 1: I remember I was, I'd taken a forty eight hours
Speaker 1: off from rehearsals. I was doing much ado about nothing
Speaker 1: in the West End, funny enough with David Tennant and
Speaker 1: and I said, I've got to go and sort of
Speaker 1: essentially do a bit of a screen test on camera
Speaker 1: really on this show. And they let me go, and
Speaker 1: I was it was a forty hour turnaround, and I
Speaker 1: went in, did the shot this couple of scenes, went
Speaker 1: out to dinner with my agents that night, about to
Speaker 1: get on the plane the next morning. And when he arrived,
Speaker 1: he said, they have rang to book you for ten
Speaker 1: more episodes. Ok, that was going to be in the
Speaker 1: next season, the next season, Yeah, And I think it
Speaker 1: was ten episodes, And I think that's what happened. So
Speaker 1: I knew I was going back to do ten episodes
Speaker 1: because that would have been a brand about April time.
Speaker 1: And then I was coming back in the four to
Speaker 1: do ten episodes, is what I heard. And then while
Speaker 1: I was doing the ten episodes, they extended the contract
Speaker 1: for the whole of the next season. But I think
Speaker 1: there was a very different because I had met with
Speaker 1: Greg a few years before I eventually turned up, and
Speaker 1: he had expressed an interest in putting the in. I
Speaker 1: think it was a very different idea. Then I think
Speaker 1: things changed, but I remember him saying, he said, I
Speaker 1: would love to put you in the show. He said,
Speaker 1: I can't do it yet because I've got to get
Speaker 1: this new show up and running. And that was part
Speaker 1: of some wreck and that and that started, and that
Speaker 1: took off, and I thought, oh, I'll never hear from
Speaker 1: them again. And then he did Frank and said, we
Speaker 1: like to do this part. Yes. How was that experience
Speaker 1: for you coming and joining all of us? It was
Speaker 1: one of the happiest jobs I've ever had. I absolutely
Speaker 1: loved it, and I loved all of you and I
Speaker 1: and again, a bit like the doctor who showed you.
Speaker 1: You jump in to this incredibly successful show, phenomena, franchise,
Speaker 1: you know, or whatever. You coast on the coattails of
Speaker 1: everybody you know. You turn up and it was an
Speaker 1: absolute dream job. It was. It was. It was the
Speaker 1: best way I could have ever experienced working in not
Speaker 1: only in America, but in Los Angeles. Where As someone
Speaker 1: once said to me, don't go until you're invited. It
Speaker 1: will be a lonely old and you to go with
Speaker 1: no real risk to me, do you know? I mean?
Speaker 1: I was going on this highly established, brilliant, loved show.
Speaker 1: I mean, albeit I have to say doing you know,
Speaker 1: playing an incredibly divisive and not very likable character, but
Speaker 1: that was fun as well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I would I have and still do I have people that,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a huge kind of like section
Speaker 1: of people who only know me as Nellie from the office,
Speaker 1: who only know me as as are you from the office,
Speaker 1: you know, which is fantastic. But I've often I often
Speaker 1: get oh my god, you're Nellie. I hated you. Oh
Speaker 1: my dad, you're the worst. It's so funny, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're like a comic card, and it's so funny
Speaker 1: the way people. I mean, I've learned to be very
Speaker 1: thick skinned about what people say, who don't who mean,
Speaker 1: who don't mean anything? But when they say, like, I
Speaker 1: don't care what anyone says, I liked you. O, thank
Speaker 1: god I'm not on social media. That is so funny.
Speaker 1: But I think that by the end, Now, did you
Speaker 1: did you talk to the writers at all about the
Speaker 1: about the character or the journy of the character. I
Speaker 1: mean that you you having a baby? Yes, I do,
Speaker 1: I do, remember, I don't, I don't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: that wasn't my idea or anything. But I do remember
Speaker 1: at one point going in and saying, I can't send this.
Speaker 1: I can't say surely, surely we can't remember she was
Speaker 1: just being so obtuse about stuff, and they're like, it's funny,
Speaker 1: it's gosh, um But I just I loved it. It's
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that you know, obviously because
Speaker 1: we're shooting much more than ever gets seen. I just thought,
Speaker 1: unfortunately some of the stuff that I shot with Paul Toby, um,
Speaker 1: it didn't make it. But I just thought they were
Speaker 1: a very funny couple, very funny. Yeah. And oh and
Speaker 1: I just have such such great memories of of experiencing
Speaker 1: American TV the way I did. I obviously it ruined me,
Speaker 1: you know, it ruined me because I came back here
Speaker 1: to do to do shows that the the entire budget
Speaker 1: of the show was less than our craft service budget,
Speaker 1: you know it was. It was a different experience. And
Speaker 1: obviously by the time I got there, because I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember who it was told me. It might have
Speaker 1: been Kate at Lee who said that there was a
Speaker 1: stock difference, you know that when from when you started
Speaker 1: out to where oh yeah, now you were there for
Speaker 1: the good days, seven different types of cereal day, you know,
Speaker 1: in kitchen, and honestly, people say to me, what's the
Speaker 1: best part about working on the Offstina was the food.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this or not, but
Speaker 1: there was in the in the season finale, there was
Speaker 1: there was the baby right that you ended up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but now this is my recollection. If I'm wrong, you
Speaker 1: tell me. My recollection was that the baby would only
Speaker 1: smile at me. And so when you were shooting, I
Speaker 1: wasn't even in the seat. I could have been in
Speaker 1: my trailer eating cereal, but I was standing right by
Speaker 1: the camera for the or like behind you, so that
Speaker 1: it that you and smile. I don't remember, but I
Speaker 1: absolutely right you'd be standing there and the baby would
Speaker 1: turn its head and smile. I've only just remember that.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct. Thank you for doing that. Well, I
Speaker 1: have I have a face on the baby with love
Speaker 1: um hard Sell out now on Netflix. Just ow how
Speaker 1: was that process of doing that? I am so excited
Speaker 1: to watch hard Sell with the c because it's set
Speaker 1: in prison. It's a prison cell. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: hard kill No. Well it's again, I'm I guess I'm
Speaker 1: back to my roots because I'm playing six different characters.
Speaker 1: It was brilliant, I was. I've never worked for Netflix before,
Speaker 1: and I was really heartened in terms of how much
Speaker 1: creative well, how I owned everything creatively, but I, um,
Speaker 1: they let me go there and it is the show
Speaker 1: that goes there. And I think in comedy that's quite
Speaker 1: important that I wasn't censored or anything, and if anything,
Speaker 1: you know, occasionally a question would come up and I'd
Speaker 1: answer it and then they'd go, Okay, fair enough, you know,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, I was very
Speaker 1: lucky to be working with a team whose answer was yeah,
Speaker 1: fair enough. It's just funnier that way, and that's really important.
Speaker 1: That's great. And the style I understand is mockumentary documentary style. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, because I realized, because I was directing
Speaker 1: it as well, I needed a device that would get
Speaker 1: me out of jail. No pardon sended, but you know,
Speaker 1: get me out of trouble. And that's a good thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because you can explain something
Speaker 1: to down the line, down the ends, down the barrel
Speaker 1: when you need a little bit of glue. Actually, not
Speaker 1: not that I in the end you ended up doing
Speaker 1: it because everything was pretty tightly scriptured. But it's so
Speaker 1: lovely to be able to have It's a perfect device
Speaker 1: to be able to improvise the camera obviously, and we
Speaker 1: and we did. I did certainly use that and I
Speaker 1: had I had a great experience. Actually, I mean it
Speaker 1: was a fairly arduous shoot, just because there was only
Speaker 1: one character that wasn't in prosthetics. But but it was.
Speaker 1: It was great. It was great, and amazingly people of well,
Speaker 1: I'm doing myself down too bad. Amazingly people like it. Well,
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Hard Sell on Netflix. Also the Nan movie.
Speaker 1: The Busiest Woman in television, directing, writing, acting, not just
Speaker 1: Why Part but seven. I can't tell you how how
Speaker 1: much I appreciate Catherine, you coming and uh and talking
Speaker 1: to me. I remember our days so fondly, and I
Speaker 1: can't wait well for more of the pandemic to disappear
Speaker 1: and we can see each other. Well, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for asking me. I'm delighted, Catherine. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: It was so great to catch up with you. It's
Speaker 1: been so long. Not only was that fun, it was educational.
Speaker 1: I learned so much about you today. You are an
Speaker 1: absolute delight to all of you listeners. Thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us, and make sure to check out Catherine's new
Speaker 1: mockumentary Hard Sell with a C C E L L,
Speaker 1: which is now out on Netflix. And I'll see you
Speaker 1: next week for another well for another week and another
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Speaker 1: the Beat is hosted an executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner,
Speaker 1: alongside our executive producer Langley. Our producers are Diego Tapia,
Speaker 1: Liz Hayes, Emily Carr, and Hannah Harris. Our talent producer
Speaker 1: is Ryan Papa Zachary. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak
Speaker 1: performed by my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode
Speaker 1: was mixed by Seth O'landskip