WEBVTT - Speed Limits & Speed Cameras (10/05)

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM 640. You're listening to the John Cobell podcast

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast on the iHeart app. And we had Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Gates on in the first half hour, former city attorney

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<v Speaker 1>of Huntington Beach, former federal prosecutor, and he also is

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<v Speaker 1>running for attorney general. Attorney general he's running for against

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Bonta, who just had his stupid attempted block of

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<v Speaker 1>the Paramount Warner Brothers merger blow up in his face,

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassing himself and wasting a lot of time and money

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody involved. We talked about that extensively.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what?

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<v Speaker 1>The lack of intelligence among everybody running our government from

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<v Speaker 1>top to bottom. I talked a lot last half hour

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<v Speaker 1>about Nithya Raman. Bonta is one of them. These are

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<v Speaker 1>just stupid ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>Another dumb idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Was an Assembly Bill No. 43 that passed and now

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<v Speaker 1>gives the city of Los Angeles and all cities– new

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<v Speaker 1>authority to lower speed limits, even when traffic engineering surveys

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<v Speaker 1>support higher limits. There is a natural speed that you

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<v Speaker 1>should be able to drive on a lot of roads

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<v Speaker 1>based on a multitude of factors.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll explain.

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<v Speaker 1>And she also wrote a bill that allowed LA to

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<v Speaker 1>use speed cameras to provide automatic tickets. This is just

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<v Speaker 1>harassment of people who are not doing anything wrong. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a natural speed that roads should have. And Jay Bieber

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<v Speaker 1>is going to explain to this. Jay's been on the

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<v Speaker 1>show numerous times over the years with us because he

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<v Speaker 1>knows stuff that nobody else knows. He's chief government affairs

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<v Speaker 1>and policy officer for the National Motorist Association.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Bieber, welcome again. How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great.

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<v Speaker 3>Always a pleasure to be with you, John.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about this concept. So L.A.

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<v Speaker 1>Can decide a road should get lower speed limits, even

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<v Speaker 1>though the natural speed limit should be higher. Explain how

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<v Speaker 1>that works so the average driver can understand that right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So the way that you're supposed to set speed limits,

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<v Speaker 3>the safest way to set speed limits, is you measure

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<v Speaker 3>the speed that people naturally go on the roadway. And

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<v Speaker 3>then you set the speed limit at about the speed

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<v Speaker 3>that 85% of the people don't exceed. So what you're

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<v Speaker 3>doing is you're setting the speed limit around the speed

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<v Speaker 3>that most people cluster around. So you get everybody going

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<v Speaker 3>about the same speed, that's the safest way to set

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<v Speaker 3>the speed limit. If you set the speed limit much higher,

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<v Speaker 3>much lower than that, then you get a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>what they call speed variation. That's much more dangerous than

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<v Speaker 3>everybody going the same speed, but maybe a little higher than,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, that person standing on the side of the

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<v Speaker 3>road might feel like. And so this is an engineering

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<v Speaker 3>protocol that has been used for decades. And California had

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<v Speaker 3>a very, very good and very strong rules about this.

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<v Speaker 3>They couldn't issue tickets if they didn't set the speed

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<v Speaker 3>limit this way. The police could not enforce a ticket.

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<v Speaker 3>If you showed up in court and they actually gave

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<v Speaker 3>you the ticket, throw it out. If they didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>a proper service, it wasn't done properly. So along comes

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<v Speaker 3>Laura Friedman. Other people before her tried this, but she's

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<v Speaker 3>an assembly member. She's now in Congress, but she was

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<v Speaker 3>an assembly member from Glendale. And she decided that Speed

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<v Speaker 3>limits were just too high overall. And she decided that

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<v Speaker 3>cities needed what she called more flexibility for setting speed limits.

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<v Speaker 3>That is, they should throw out the engineering protocols and

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<v Speaker 3>they should set speed limits more in line with just

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<v Speaker 3>how you feel about.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you're saying up till now, there was a logical formula.

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<v Speaker 2>Based on science and human behavior and.

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<v Speaker 1>The way the road is laid out, that led to

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<v Speaker 1>the speed limits we all lived under.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And again, for decades and decades and decades. And what

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<v Speaker 3>they claimed was, well, you're just letting the fastest speeders

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<v Speaker 3>You know, decide what the speed limit is. That's not true.

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<v Speaker 3>That's completely illogical because you knock off the top 15%.

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<v Speaker 3>So it doesn't matter how fast the fastest people are going.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not setting the speed limit. It's the people that

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<v Speaker 3>are clustered around the speed that the roadway makes you

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<v Speaker 3>feel comfortable driving at. And this is, to some extent,

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<v Speaker 3>an involuntary reaction. Most people experience this themselves. They just

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<v Speaker 3>don't think about it. If you're on a big, wide

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<v Speaker 3>road and you're having to drive really, really slow on

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<v Speaker 3>that road, you understand, I feel like I'm going really,

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<v Speaker 3>really slow. This doesn't feel comfortable. You get... Your heart

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<v Speaker 3>starts racing. You feel really uncomfortable. You have to do

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<v Speaker 3>something to relieve that uncomfortable feeling so you speed up.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just break in a second?

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<v Speaker 1>You brought this up years ago, and I'd never thought

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<v Speaker 1>of it, never heard of it. And then I started

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention when I'm driving. And that's absolutely right, that concept.

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<v Speaker 1>is that when you are going at an artificially slow speed,

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<v Speaker 1>then you do start to tense up and you get

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<v Speaker 1>impatient and it seems like something's wrong until you get

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<v Speaker 1>not to a speed that's too fast or too unsafe,

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<v Speaker 1>but something that feels normal for the way the road

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<v Speaker 1>is laid out. And that is a concept apparently the

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<v Speaker 1>likes of Laura Friedman doesn't understand or refuses to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Because this is a.

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<v Speaker 3>She refuses to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Refuses to understand.

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<v Speaker 3>I sat with her for an hour explaining this to her.

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<v Speaker 2>How did she respond? Because you're real good at explaining things.

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<v Speaker 2>What did she do?

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<v Speaker 3>So her response was, she was very nice about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Her response was, I understand what you're saying. I understand

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<v Speaker 3>that lowering the speed limit may not actually make people

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<v Speaker 3>go slower, but I think cities need more flexibility. That

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<v Speaker 3>was her answer. I don't know how you argue with

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<v Speaker 3>that sort of But that was her answer. No matter

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<v Speaker 3>what anybody said, it didn't matter to her because there's

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<v Speaker 3>this concept that we have to set speeds so low

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<v Speaker 3>that if anybody ever gets hit by a car or

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<v Speaker 3>a motorized vehicle, nothing bad will ever happen. This is

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<v Speaker 3>that Vision Zero concept that we've talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>Vision Zero, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody should ever die in a traffic accident ever again,

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of stuff. And so this is, again– It's this.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how exactly to explain it in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of the ideology, but it's this ideology that they can

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<v Speaker 3>control the world and nothing bad will ever happen if

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<v Speaker 3>you just give them enough power.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's part of their ideological system. Jay, can you

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<v Speaker 2>hang on? You got time to do another segment because

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about the speed cameras too.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Bieber, he's with the National Motorist Association, the chief

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<v Speaker 1>government affairs and policy officer.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, L.A. is artificially lowering speed limits.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And this means money. And Jay explained the whole theory

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<v Speaker 1>behind it. We have $ 1, 000 we're giving away in minutes. Debra, Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>you chewing gum?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm eating some quinoa and some farro and some

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<v Speaker 4>lentils and some avocado.

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<v Speaker 2>That was farro. It's a grain.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a grain.

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<v Speaker 2>You go out and you buy like a packet of farro?

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<v Speaker 4>I went to the grocery store and they had some

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<v Speaker 4>pre-made salads, if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, man, you eat weird foods.

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<v Speaker 4>It's delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay is the Chief Government Affairs and Policy Officer with

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<v Speaker 1>the National Motorist Association. He is always on the lookout

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<v Speaker 1>for abuses by government against drivers who are just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get to work and back. And Laura Friedman, who

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<v Speaker 1>is one headache of a representative, when she was in

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<v Speaker 1>the Assembly, she offered a bill that artificially gives the

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<v Speaker 1>power to cities to reduce speed limits. There's a natural

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<v Speaker 1>speed limit that works on streets. depending on the way

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<v Speaker 1>it's laid out. And she also allowed more speed cameras

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<v Speaker 1>in cities. I want to talk about the speed camera

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of this, Jay. What's that about?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, so after she got past the lowering of

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<v Speaker 3>speed limits, she introduced the bill and in speed cameras

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<v Speaker 3>with their pilot program. But, you know, government is never

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<v Speaker 3>really a pilot program. It's just a way to get

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<v Speaker 3>it started. And so L.A. got 125 speed camera locations

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<v Speaker 3>in this pilot program, and that's going to be starting

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<v Speaker 3>up sometime this month. And what that allows them to

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<v Speaker 3>do is to ticket people who are going 11 miles

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<v Speaker 3>an hour or more over the posted speed limit. But again,

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<v Speaker 3>as we just said, the posted speed limit in many

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<v Speaker 3>cases can be lowered, so it's unnaturally low. So when

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<v Speaker 3>people get that, they are actually only just going the

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<v Speaker 3>nature of the roadway, what the natural speed of the

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<v Speaker 3>roadway is, and then they're getting a ticket for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So if they lower the speed by five miles an hour,

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<v Speaker 1>you now could get a ticket if you're going six

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<v Speaker 1>miles an hour over the old natural limit.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, exactly. That's exactly right. So just as a particular example,

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<v Speaker 3>Winnetka Avenue in the Valley is a location where they

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<v Speaker 3>did a speed survey, and it came out that the

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<v Speaker 3>85th percentile that we talked about earlier was 43.5 miles

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<v Speaker 3>per hour. So they said the safe speed to set

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<v Speaker 3>the speed limit at is 40 miles per hour, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's what the speed limit was justified for.

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<v Speaker 1>85% of the public is going at 43 miles an hour,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're going to set the limit to 40.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, exactly. So, I mean, they and they can, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>within a couple of, you know, usually it's supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be in five miles an hour of the of the

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<v Speaker 3>85th percentile. Now, really, they should set it at 45.

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<v Speaker 3>But of course, you know, they set it at 40.

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<v Speaker 3>And but what the worst part of the story is

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<v Speaker 3>that under under under the AB 40, AB 43, they.

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<v Speaker 3>they allowed cities to lower it another five miles per

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<v Speaker 3>hour from there. So what they had said was that

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<v Speaker 3>if you kept it at 35, which is what the

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<v Speaker 3>speed survey said you should not do, that you were

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<v Speaker 3>going to have a significant number of people who were

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<v Speaker 3>going to be 91% of people would be exceeding the

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<v Speaker 3>posted speed limit if you set it at 35.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, they're going to have a natural reaction to

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<v Speaker 1>the sensation that they're going too slow, that they should

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<v Speaker 1>be going faster than they're being allowed to on the road,

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<v Speaker 1>which seems to me creates a lot of tension in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of drivers, and that could lead to accidents.

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<v Speaker 1>Because when people get tense and frustrated when they drive,

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<v Speaker 1>they do impulsive things. I know I get an impulsive

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<v Speaker 1>urge when I'm sick and tired of being slowed down

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<v Speaker 1>against my will.

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<v Speaker 3>Not you, Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>Not you.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe me, I'm a wired ball ready to explode.

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<v Speaker 2>At any point.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a patient driver.

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<v Speaker 3>I've known you for a lot of years. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>sound like you at all. But anyway, so here's what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>So they lower it to 35 miles an hour, right? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And so at 40 miles an hour, they put in

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<v Speaker 3>the speed cameras. The people who would be getting tickets

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<v Speaker 3>are people that would be going 51 miles an hour,

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<v Speaker 3>which is relatively fast, okay? I'm not saying they deserve

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<v Speaker 3>a ticket, but that's relatively fast. Now, under the 35-mile-an-hour

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<v Speaker 3>speed limit, people who are going 46– which is just

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<v Speaker 3>two miles an hour above what the 85th percentile speed is,

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<v Speaker 3>those people are now subject to the ticket. So this

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<v Speaker 3>is a giant scam.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a giant scam.

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<v Speaker 1>And are they– now, have all these new laws been

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<v Speaker 1>in effect for any amount of time here?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right. So Amy 43 was passed in 21. It

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<v Speaker 3>took effect, I think, in 22, 23. 22, 23, somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>around there. And then the speed camera was approved two

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<v Speaker 3>years later, and now it's just coming to fruition.

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<v Speaker 2>And have they raked in significantly more money out of this?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yes. $ 18 million in tickets so far. And I'll

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<v Speaker 3>tell you what I can calculate for L.A., potentially, is

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<v Speaker 3>that that they have calculated that the number of people

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<v Speaker 3>who are potentially going to be going over the speed

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<v Speaker 3>limit is a significant number. And we can't calculate that

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<v Speaker 3>the potential for ticketing is going to be somewhere in the,

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<v Speaker 3>not millions, in the billions of dollars potentially.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Jay Bieber, thank you very much for coming on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>billions of dollars stolen from people for going a natural

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<v Speaker 1>speed limit and going to the big money-sucking machine that

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<v Speaker 1>the criminals in the California and L.A. governments run. KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM 640, more stimulating talk radio.

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<v Speaker 2>John Kobelt's show rolls on here.

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<v Speaker 1>After 6 o'clock, you can listen to the podcast, John

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<v Speaker 1>Kobelt's show on demand. The podcast is on the iHeart app.

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<v Speaker 1>First hour, we had Michael Gates on, who's running against

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<v Speaker 1>the incompetent boob Rob Bonta for Attorney General. Michael Gates

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<v Speaker 1>had a good conversation with him in the 3 o'clock hour.

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<v Speaker 1>So you listen for that right now. Woke up this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always usually one story that just jumps out at you.

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<v Speaker 1>And today it was the plague. You're going to hear

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<v Speaker 1>echoes of the COVID story again here. Yes, it's very similar.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, this is not bubonic plague. This is

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<v Speaker 1>pneumonic plague. You get a very severe pneumonia and then

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<v Speaker 1>you die.

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<v Speaker 4>I just had a pneumonia vaccine, so I think I

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<v Speaker 4>might be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that work on mnemonic?

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<v Speaker 4>I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Plague?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. But it's better than nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we're going to find out. And it starts off

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<v Speaker 2>the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that COVID virus was released in the Wuhan

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<v Speaker 1>lab when there was some kind of mishap among the researchers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a broken test tube or beaker or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and the bacteria got out, and we know the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, same thing here. Daria....

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<v Speaker 1>She was 28. She was a researcher at the Anti-Plague

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<v Speaker 1>Research Institute in a town called Irkutsk. I-R-K-U-T-S-K.

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<v Speaker 3>Irkutsk.

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<v Speaker 1>She broke a test tube that had the plague in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and she died. Now, the Russians won't admit that this

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<v Speaker 1>is what happened, but these are the reports that are

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<v Speaker 1>bubbling up. In fact, the Russians have changed their report

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<v Speaker 1>several times, which this is just like China. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>same idea. The Russians and the Chinese admit to nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>They cover things up and they lie. Of course, we

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of that, too, as we found out.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen the government lie in more ways, more

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<v Speaker 1>extensively than with COVID. Well, Russia does it. China does it.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a clue.

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<v Speaker 1>They quarantined an entire hospital. They quarantined 200 people who'd

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<v Speaker 1>come into contact with her and put them under medical observation. Now, allegedly,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody else has gotten it. But if they did, the

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<v Speaker 1>Russians might not admit it. And how would we know? Sheplova,

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<v Speaker 1>after she caught it, didn't know she had it, she

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<v Speaker 1>went on an expedition with other researchers near the Russian

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<v Speaker 1>border with Mongolia. And she told the medical staff she

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally broke a test tube that had the live virus.

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<v Speaker 1>She was collecting samples for testing. They should invent unbreakable

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<v Speaker 1>test tubes.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't we have some safeguards in place?

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<v Speaker 2>It's 2026. Those big white hazmat suits?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, remember what happened in Wuhan is it was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be the highest level of security, and it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a mid-level security when it came to the pathogens,

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<v Speaker 1>controlling the pathogens. Yeah, so the Russians are saying that

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<v Speaker 1>no big deal, but she had severe pneumonia. Now, pneumonic

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<v Speaker 1>plague is caused by the same bacteria as the bubonic plague.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to two contradicting statements. And I'm getting this from NBC.

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<v Speaker 1>It can spread from person to person through airborne respiratory droplets.

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<v Speaker 4>That's when you sneeze and you don't cover your mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>Sneezing and coughing, correct. Very good. That was hard.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is the former White House COVID response coordinator, Dr.

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<v Speaker 1>Ashish Jha. He claims it's very hard for pneumonic plague

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<v Speaker 1>to spread from person to person.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, which is it?

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<v Speaker 1>NBC prints both interpretations almost side by side in their story.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got the White House, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who Ashish Jha worked for, but he's claiming, nah, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't really spread it easily. And then a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>paragraphs later, well, it can spread through sneezing and coughing,

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<v Speaker 1>which would make it easy to do.

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<v Speaker 2>There were.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no transition in there, but according to this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no. It's just two separate paragraphs saying the opposite. I,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, saw a an increase in masks among

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<v Speaker 1>the crazy people in the grocery store that I go to.

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<v Speaker 4>There are a lot of people have. COVID. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>not so fun from what I hear.

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<v Speaker 1>There is one grocery store not far from my house,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the epicenter of masking at all times.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's your crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the crazy west side. You go deeper in

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Monica and more masks. And you can see them

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<v Speaker 1>12 months a year, day and night, no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>the weather, no matter what the COVID conditions are.

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<v Speaker 2>People just wear it. Young people, too.

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<v Speaker 4>But can I just tell you something real quick? I

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<v Speaker 4>had to go to the doctor for some health reasons,

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<v Speaker 4>I think, last week. And I told him that I

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<v Speaker 4>don't touch anything. You know, I know you love that,

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<v Speaker 4>that I use a paper towel. I don't touch door handles, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're nuts about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>But he did say, if somebody sneezes by you, if

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<v Speaker 4>somebody coughs by you, you're going to get sick through

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<v Speaker 4>the air, not necessarily what you're touching. But I'm still

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<v Speaker 4>going to continue doing what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 2>So, my point is.

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<v Speaker 1>She just reports that her doctor contradicts her habits.

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<v Speaker 3>For COVID.

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<v Speaker 4>For COVID. But, if you sneeze on your hand, and

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<v Speaker 4>then you don't Right. You don't clean your hand and

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<v Speaker 4>you touch the door handle and then I touch it

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<v Speaker 4>and then I touch my eyes. That's another way of

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<v Speaker 4>getting ill. I don't know if you would necessarily get COVID,

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<v Speaker 4>but you can get something. And I find that disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we're now we're into the mental illness portion of

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<v Speaker 2>the analysis.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you have millions of germs and mites and

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<v Speaker 1>things crawling on you right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I'm itching or scratching.

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<v Speaker 1>No, stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't need to go there.

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<v Speaker 2>They're everywhere. They're in your nose. They're in your mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>They're in your hair. Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just leaving.

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<v Speaker 2>Why am I alive?

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<v Speaker 1>You share the planet with billions and trillions of little

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<v Speaker 1>creatures you can't see.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want them.

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<v Speaker 2>They're living off your skin.

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<v Speaker 4>Go away.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, there have been almost 4,000... human plague cases just

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<v Speaker 1>in the last six years. Most of them in the

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<v Speaker 1>Congo and Madagascar. Madagascar, they've had 423 deaths.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not planning on going there anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if I was running things, I'd shut down

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<v Speaker 1>all air traffic from Russia, which is what they should

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<v Speaker 1>have done with China. And who cares if people start

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<v Speaker 1>screaming about racism? Although I think if you shut down

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<v Speaker 1>Russian air travel, nobody will get upset about it. But

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason, shutting down.

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<v Speaker 2>China, it's racist. No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have saved, oh, I don't know, a million lives.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the day they found out. And you can't

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<v Speaker 1>go by the World Health Organization. World Health Organization says

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<v Speaker 1>it's aware that a lab worker died of severe pneumonia,

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<v Speaker 1>but no cause of death has been confirmed. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you remember, they flat out lied about the threat of

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<v Speaker 1>COVID coming out of China because China.

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<v Speaker 2>Supplied them with a lot of the money. They were

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<v Speaker 2>a big contributor to their budget. So anyway, there's your

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<v Speaker 2>official warning here from KFI.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>The latest plague.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when we come back, more bizarre news on that plane,

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<v Speaker 1>the fly Dubai plane that almost crashed when the co-pilot

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<v Speaker 1>tried to kill the pilot.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see the weapon that he wanted to use

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<v Speaker 2>or tried to use?

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<v Speaker 4>I read about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a photo of the weapon that the co-pilot

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<v Speaker 1>used on the pilot. We'll talk about that. And we

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<v Speaker 1>have some very violent social media posts from the co-pilot

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<v Speaker 1>that they have found. And it turns out the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the crew on that plane at first sided with

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<v Speaker 1>the co-pilot. And they were angry with the passengers who

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<v Speaker 1>had stormed the cockpit. That was one crazy plane ride.

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<v Speaker 1>All this coming up next. Deborah, don't fly either.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is some series of vignettes about the hijacked plane,

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<v Speaker 1>Fly Dubai, which was going from Dubai to Tel Aviv.

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<v Speaker 1>It carried 170 more passengers. I believe they were all Israelis.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you know, the co-pilot from Oman tried to

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<v Speaker 1>kill the main pilot, who is from India. And the

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<v Speaker 1>name of the pilot co-pilot is Hammam al-Hammami. And he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to kill Captain Smit Macher. And you know what

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to use?

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<v Speaker 2>What, John?

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<v Speaker 1>They called a crash axe. If the plane crashes and

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<v Speaker 1>they're trapped inside the cockpit, this axe will smash through anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw it. And it is very sharp, heavy

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<v Speaker 1>metal blade. You take a good swing, and you could

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<v Speaker 1>easily slice somebody's head off. Yeah, as soon as you

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<v Speaker 1>look at it, it's scary. That's what the co-pilot went

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<v Speaker 1>after the pilot with. I don't know how the pilot survived.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that answers the question of how did he get

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<v Speaker 4>on the plane with a weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's already there. He didn't bring the weapon aboard.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The weapon is probably... in a secure, secret place.

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<v Speaker 4>So now we have to hide that weapon from the pilots?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when you got a guy like him on board, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is, when there's the planes going down, we

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<v Speaker 1>told you last week, a plumber stabilized the plane by

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<v Speaker 1>grabbing basically the joystick. One of his favorite TV shows

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<v Speaker 1>was something called Air Disasters. And he had seen, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>recreations of what happened in planes that were in distress.

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<v Speaker 2>And he knew exactly what to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Wouldn't you panic? John, there'd be no way you'd be

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<v Speaker 4>able to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I'm not capable of saving anybody. I know.

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<v Speaker 4>Me too.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're on a plane sitting next to me, you're done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be able to help. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure I'd panic. I just, I don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just not. Oh, I would panic.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not one of those guys. No, I'd probably just

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<v Speaker 1>sit there and say, well, here's my chance. I can

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<v Speaker 1>finally go. Why fight it? God's finally taking me. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just go along with it. Now, you asked the

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<v Speaker 1>other day, why was he allowed to fly? Well, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of opportunity for authorities in three countries

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<v Speaker 1>to keep him from getting anywhere near the cockpit, according to,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see, Wall Street Journal. Oman had already seen the

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<v Speaker 1>nutty stuff that he wrote online. I'll tell you about

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<v Speaker 1>that in a minute. And decided he showed too much

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<v Speaker 1>interest in radical Islam. And so they would not let

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<v Speaker 1>him fly at the state-run airline, Oman Air.

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<v Speaker 2>They banned him from flying.

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<v Speaker 1>They sent him to a de-radicalization program and put him

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<v Speaker 1>in a desk job.

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<v Speaker 2>But never spread the news to other potential employers.

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<v Speaker 1>So Fly Dubai hired him in February. They didn't call

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<v Speaker 1>Oman to get a background check.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't check his references?

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<v Speaker 1>No, they got a criminal background check, but he hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>killed anybody yet. And then they put him on a

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<v Speaker 1>route to Tel Aviv, and he flew multiple times there. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>they're investigating who on the Fly Dubai staff who was

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the hiring process didn't do a complete investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>The last chance, since Oman didn't stop him, by telling

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<v Speaker 1>the other airlines in the region, and FlyDubai never did

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<v Speaker 1>a full investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Last chance was Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Oman does not have diplomatic relations with Israel, so

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<v Speaker 1>Hammami should have been stopped from flying any plane there.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel requires foreign carriers to submit lists of crews in advance,

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<v Speaker 1>and FlyDubai sent those names for Flight 1073. The Israel

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<v Speaker 1>Tax Authority maintains the country's database of flyer information. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's a separate bureaucracy, the Ministry of Transportation, and they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think they had the authority or the expertise to

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<v Speaker 1>vet flight crews. They'd never asked for a passenger or

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<v Speaker 1>crew list since the database was set up. So the

0:28:47.510 --> 0:28:50.340
<v Speaker 1>tax authority set up the database, but the Ministry of

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<v Speaker 1>Transportation didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It could access it.

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<v Speaker 1>So while the pilots are supposed to not be able

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<v Speaker 1>to fly if they have his kind of background, no

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<v Speaker 1>agency thought they had the responsibility to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And one final thing. What was he posting?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he wrote a lot about violence against women and

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<v Speaker 1>hatred for Jews and gay people. In one exchange with

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<v Speaker 1>a woman, this is online, He was at a university

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<v Speaker 1>studying aviation management. This is Al-Hammami. He told this woman,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine getting this message, I'd stomp on your head, wipe

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<v Speaker 1>the floor with you, make you an example to others,

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<v Speaker 1>and then divorce you.

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 4>What a charmer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's his idea of a marriage. I'd stomp on your head.

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<v Speaker 1>In a discussion about men attacking women, al-Hammami said he

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<v Speaker 1>gave her a preemptive slap so she would redefine her boundaries,

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<v Speaker 1>just as Russia slapped Ukraine to adjust its borders.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, my God.

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<v Speaker 1>Al-Hammami reportedly posted that if a woman has so much

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<v Speaker 1>breathed around a man, he should stomp on her head.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, with the stomp on.

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<v Speaker 4>This guy is obsessed with stomping on women's heads.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a separate post.

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<v Speaker 1>In a separate exchange, Al-Hammami responded to a post by

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<v Speaker 1>a man asking whether he could complain to his wife

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<v Speaker 1>after he found her talking badly about him to her boss. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but first, you have to stop on her head.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I have to ask this question. Did he get

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<v Speaker 4>any likes for saying that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, no.

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<v Speaker 2>In the Middle East? Yes. Probably thousands.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, my God.

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<v Speaker 3>Unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the third time.

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<v Speaker 4>Stomp on her head.

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<v Speaker 2>First you.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, you know what?

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<v Speaker 2>This reads like a comedy sketch.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we should. I think we need to

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<v Speaker 4>stomp on his head now. That's his punishment.

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<v Speaker 1>Stomp on her head, make her life miserable, and make

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<v Speaker 1>her taste the bitterness of what she did. Women are

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<v Speaker 1>cheap meat devoured by anyone and everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>There you.

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<v Speaker 1>Go.

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<v Speaker 4>That really pisses me off. I hope that somebody stomps

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<v Speaker 4>on his head numerous times.

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<v Speaker 2>He needs the axe.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>He needs that axe to his neck.

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<v Speaker 4>So they put it on their foot, and then they

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<v Speaker 4>stomp on his head.

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