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Speaker 1: Well, if the NBA has an NBA Cup in season tournament,

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Speaker 1: then why shouldn't baseball do the same thing. So this

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Speaker 1: was lightly floated out there by Rob Manfred, and we

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Speaker 1: that was put together by Chad Jennings, Andy McCullough and

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Speaker 1: Sam Blum. They said, could this really work in baseball?

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Speaker 1: They talked about how baseball's had the one sixty two

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Speaker 1: is a regular season round robin eight teams advanced to

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Speaker 1: a week long, single elimination tournament and every game counts

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Speaker 1: towards your regular season record besides the championship game. If

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Speaker 1: And in the article they floated how thirty two team

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Speaker 1: expansion would help this, but of course it would be

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Speaker 1: would start to of course mess with baseball records, and

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Speaker 1: that's a big deal in baseball. Like Cal's sixtieth homer,

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Speaker 2: Those were some of the best storylines of the year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's just start with this. The travel would be

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Speaker 3: a namer do you know how far in advanced teams

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Speaker 2: But the NBA does this. They do it in Vegas.

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Speaker 3: They do it in one spot.

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Speaker 2: So you do it in a neutral spot?

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Speaker 1: You could switch that around? Or you could do it

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Speaker 3: Okay. So let's say that MLB goes ahead with this. Okay,

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Speaker 3: and in the NBA it works and this and that.

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Speaker 3: But baseball's played every day. So you take a week

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Speaker 3: just playing. But these games col even though they're technically

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Speaker 3: more intense in the NBA. Nothing has become more irrelevant

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Speaker 3: thirty teams. We had this suscussion, Twenty of the thirty

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Speaker 4: That is insane. Some former fashion, right, they diluted the product.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so people only pay attention to the playoffs and

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Speaker 3: even then their look at their ratings are way down

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Speaker 3: to Okay, baseball makes the regular season matter. And how

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Speaker 3: many races have we had in the last even since

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Speaker 3: they went to even more expanded playoffs come down to

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Speaker 3: the last two games? How many times, scrats have you looked?

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Speaker 3: I look back on my career and I'm like, in

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Speaker 3: twenty thirteen when I was with the Rangers, we lost

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Speaker 3: Game one sixty three, and I go back and I think,

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Speaker 3: if we just would have won one more game. The

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Speaker 3: year I was with the Giants two thousand and four,

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Speaker 3: we lost, we missed the playoffs on the last day

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Speaker 3: of the year. What you know, what, what if we

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Speaker 3: would have won one more game somewhere along the way.

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Speaker 3: But then you're gonna have some teams playing games that

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Speaker 2: But that's what NBA teams say.

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Speaker 1: What if we just won one more game, we would

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Speaker 1: Past who already made it? The Astros, Astros, Mets, the Royals,

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Speaker 1: five hundred teams. That's the setup that the NBA currently has,

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Speaker 1: twenty of thirty. That's disgusting. I know that it's playing.

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Speaker 1: Someone's going to try and throw somemantics at me. You

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Speaker 1: game's end. Ten teams don't everyone else does? It makes

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Speaker 1: it mean nothing. We've already battled right with people that

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Speaker 1: didn't want expanded postseason. I thought it was so small

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Speaker 1: and so difficult. There is a line, right, and you

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Speaker 1: also do want From a business perspective, I'm presenting MLB

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Speaker 2: Krats.

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Speaker 1: Let's use the A's as an example, because they had

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Speaker 1: You have a slow start, Your season's done, and you

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Speaker 3: Okay, so keep fan interest.

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Speaker 5: So basically they're going to have a the MLB Cup

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Speaker 5: is going to be this past year, it would have

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Speaker 5: there's two wildcard other crappy teams. Like that's how you're

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Speaker 5: keeping interest. No, the only way MLB is gonna have

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Speaker 1: Like why did you just name crappy teams? Though, I'm

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Speaker 5: Because your argument was that they're they're they're trying to

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Speaker 5: the Rockies fans. They ain't gonna be in the NBA,

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Speaker 5: they ain't gonna be in the MLB Cup, Like these

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Speaker 5: are these are things that are gonna be won by

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Speaker 5: teams who are like good, know how to win games,

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Speaker 5: put rosters together to win games, like we're not, Like,

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Speaker 5: the MLB Cup's not gonna be won by the Rockies

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Speaker 5: just because they put it in there. Whow man, that

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Speaker 1: some type of split season format or some type of

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Speaker 1: format that rewards more performance in the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: season and then gives you some showcase scenario that waits

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Speaker 1: games Like I know this sounds confusing, So like you

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Speaker 1: you have a strong first half, they end up doing

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Speaker 3: You win the first half championship ya team, and it.

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Speaker 6: Gives you one of the buy spots or a playoff

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Speaker 6: I mean not that they need it, but to.

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Speaker 3: Kill You can't even get MLB to take a break

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a money insurance thing.

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Speaker 3: You think they're gonna take a break for this in

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Speaker 2: If they make money. Yeah, everything's about money. We know.

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Speaker 1: We always talk about this, especially in baseball, more than

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Speaker 3: How much more money are they gonna make?

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Speaker 1: The NBA apparently is making a ton of money from

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Speaker 1: their tournament for two reasons. One, they were able to

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Speaker 1: use it as another chip in their media rights deal

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Speaker 1: I think an n season tournament in baseball is so

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Speaker 5: And three, they actually have their stars playing in games.

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Speaker 5: They have an issue of stars not playing in the NBA.

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Speaker 5: So how do you incentivize them? I think every player

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Speaker 3: Regular season has lost a lot of its luster because

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Speaker 3: Lost a lot of its luster because you can lose

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Speaker 3: we're not making We're not making it. Now the Alabama

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Speaker 3: But you know, Notre Dame Miami the team that got

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Speaker 1: So I will say there is a happy medium. Now,

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Speaker 1: are they going to extend it too much?

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Speaker 2: Yes? But do you agree with that? Right?

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Speaker 1: If you're a big fan of your team and you're

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Speaker 3: Sure you see say it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 5: If you have a tournament, the MLB Cup, now you're

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Speaker 5: it's not a balance schedule. They wanted to. They just

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Speaker 3: we don't care what seed we are to get in,

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Speaker 3: And sometimes it's better to be the seventh seed than

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Speaker 1: Right, But the NBA felt like they already had an

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Speaker 1: They play half the game that MLB does, and guys

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Speaker 3: And by the way, MJR. Sports Cards when I said

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Speaker 2: Two Yeah, so it's on more half, so.

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Speaker 3: It's almost half. And then I don't even know NHL

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Speaker 3: why when I said that, this guy keeps mocking me.

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Speaker 3: So but that's what I meant. It's the hardest sport

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Speaker 5: Teams, it's not it's it's not even close, and it's

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Speaker 5: Like other leagues have added more teams, yes, Major League

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Speaker 5: Baseball has added more teams, but before like when you guys,

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Speaker 3: I heard something about a route, but my my thing

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Speaker 2: What is it? You're wired?

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Speaker 3: I don't know it's going in and out, but I

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Speaker 3: Hold on, sorry, I think you said what was our route?

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Speaker 3: We played the Red Sox, then we played the Angels,

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Speaker 3: and then we played the Astros. The Red Sox defending champions,

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Speaker 5: Guys, Now you've got a whole another round, like like

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Speaker 5: I'm getting up, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, you switch it.

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Speaker 5: It's so it's It is definitely the hardest sport to

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Speaker 5: make the playoffs, Okay, of the four major ones.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what the banter is online right now,

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Speaker 3: And I love big, but I do.

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Speaker 1: Have one more component of this. I do want to

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Speaker 1: figure out more games like Field of Dreams. I know

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Speaker 1: what's going on.

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Speaker 2: All right this month?

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Speaker 1: They're going to play a game on an aircraft carrier whatever? Right, Like,

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Speaker 2: That was awesome. People fucking loved that.

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Speaker 1: And I know they've had their issues with the uniforms

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Speaker 3: Williamsport they go back to every year, which is cool

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Speaker 3: because they have a minor league stadium. They're going back

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Speaker 5: This year?

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Speaker 2: I know one of them. I think I do know

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Speaker 3: Twins. I know that.

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Speaker 2: I know that's not good. This is not a good

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Speaker 3: But the year they did Cubs in reds.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean people it did, okay, clubs fans, I

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Speaker 2: I would love to go. I think it's still a

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Speaker 1: I know that's not about just selling the tickets, but

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Speaker 1: I think they're carrying it, But like, I think there's

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Speaker 2: If they're here, I think, but they need more for.

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Speaker 3: Me they need more signature games, which is what the

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Speaker 3: The one at Bristol last year was, right, like figure

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Speaker 3: out different places that you can have cool games. Now, listen,

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Speaker 3: you said aircraft carrier. I went to a basketball game

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Speaker 3: so it was they didn't even count as Florida versus Georgetown.

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Speaker 2: They got wet because of rain because it's a.

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Speaker 4: Of I just threw something out there, I know, but

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, like some of these works, some of these,

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Speaker 3: That's right, try them right and everyone complains, Oh, the

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Speaker 3: Cubs and the Dodgers opened to Japan last year, but

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Speaker 2: Was cool for the game.

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Speaker 3: It's cool, right when they used to open in Australia

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Speaker 3: they play those games in Mexico City. Isn't it about

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Speaker 3: It was unbelievable atmosphere, right, they haven't done it in

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Speaker 3: in France, but they lost. They couldn't find the right sponsor. Right, Like,

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Speaker 3: if the NFL does this better than anybody, and even

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Speaker 3: in Germany. Right, the NFL was in Madrid this year,

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Speaker 3: they were in Berlin, they played in London. Right, you

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Speaker 3: send a team here there for five games or week

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Speaker 5: And people don't be so insular if you're in the

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Speaker 5: Major League Baseball higher creative people don't don't say it

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Speaker 5: works for the NBA. We're going to do that. Oh,

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Speaker 5: the NFL does this, We're going to do that. Like,

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Speaker 5: It's okay if you do something and that's creative and

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Speaker 5: new stuff. Hire some younger people. But all the owners

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Speaker 1: Kaufman Stadium, home of the Royals, getting a little bit cozier.

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Speaker 1: Like I mentioned, Piccolo said, I'm going to try to

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Speaker 3: To start, I loved hitting in Kaufman Stadium, so I

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Speaker 3: had no problem because I could just hit in the

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Speaker 3: gap and get my stand up double and not have

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Speaker 3: to hustle all the way and there breath huge out

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Speaker 3: and everyone. So I also got a two RBI sack

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Speaker 3: fly once in Kaufman Stadium, so that I also like

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Speaker 3: it for that. But you can hit your homer's there.

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Speaker 3: Here's my thing with this. Every team did Baltimore moved

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Speaker 3: their fence and move their fence back, put the wall up,

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Speaker 3: put this, do that. I love that they're lower in

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Speaker 3: the fence, more chance for home run robberies, but just really,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know the analytics say this or that,

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Speaker 3: and you know, but are they going for a more

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Speaker 3: offensively powered team? Because when the Royals won ten years ago,

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Speaker 3: eleven years ago in twenty fifteen, they had pitching, defense,

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Speaker 3: guys that could fly around. Yeah, they had a couple

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Speaker 3: of dudes that could hit Homer, Salvi, Hosmer and Mustachus,

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Speaker 3: but they were more athletic and they just covered all

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Speaker 3: the ground and they just were better at pitching and

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Speaker 3: defense than every team they played. So now it's a

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Speaker 3: shift in philosophy, like we want to go full power

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Speaker 3: and then just bring them in like twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Feet, make it a bandbox.

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Speaker 3: Let's make a great American small park. Let's make it

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Speaker 3: somewhere like that, or you can just hit Homer after

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Speaker 3: bring them into Like what if they just did something revolutionary,

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Speaker 3: were like, you know what, center field is going to

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Speaker 3: be three point fifty, the Lions are going to be

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Speaker 3: two fifty. We're just gonna outmash you.

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Speaker 2: League would not approve it.

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Speaker 3: Why not? It's my ballpark. I can do what I want.

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Speaker 2: No league wouldn't approve it, But.

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Speaker 3: They'll approve an end season tournament. That'll change.

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Speaker 2: That's another segment I know, but I'm just so jump it.

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Speaker 2: Don't jump it.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, they do have raw power guys right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna be excited. Jack Aglion, Carter Jensen,

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Speaker 1: Vinnie Pascorentino has already been talking about it. Bobby Witt,

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Speaker 1: former Royal R Kratz shaking his head, what's wrong.

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Speaker 5: I don't think the I don't think the raw power

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Speaker 5: guys care about moving the fence there. You think they

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Speaker 5: care about like the ball like they're still you got

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Speaker 5: to get a ball to get it out. I get that,

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Speaker 5: you get jammed, you get a home run. I feel

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Speaker 5: like I feel like in general, yes you might. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I remember they had the or they just showed the

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Speaker 5: chart for mikel Garcias some of his doubles and triples

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Speaker 5: that would be home runs. Not many outs turn into

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Speaker 5: home runs, but there are some. I get that. But

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Speaker 5: to me, it's just like looking at Colorado, you are

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Speaker 5: not necessarily hitting so many more home runs. You're getting

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Speaker 5: so many more hits. By the third game of a series,

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Speaker 5: a team comes in is not used to the elevation

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Speaker 5: or running after the ball on the outfield. That's where

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Speaker 5: you start getting hits. You start getting games where it's

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Speaker 5: like fourteen hits to eleven hits. You get games where

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Speaker 5: guys aren't throwing strikes. To me, I think I felt

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Speaker 5: like when I was there, obviously we lost in Game

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Speaker 5: seven of the World Series in fourteen. We won the

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Speaker 5: World Series in fifteen. I felt like Kaufman was an

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Speaker 5: advantage that the organization said, we're building guys to play

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Speaker 5: at Kaufman. We're not building guys to play anywhere else

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Speaker 5: in the league. We're not saying, guys, you gotta swing.

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Speaker 5: You gotta have a different elevation to swing. You know,

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Speaker 5: you got to you gotta take your shots. If you

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Speaker 5: strike out more, it's okay. No, like the entire organizational philosophy,

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Speaker 5: how are we gonna win in Kaufman? And if you

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Speaker 5: didn't do those things, especially as outfielders in the minor leagues,

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Speaker 5: you weren't going to get a shot. There was guys

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Speaker 5: in Tripaa that I saw playing that were good players,

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Speaker 5: went on played other places in the big leagues for

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Speaker 5: a little bit, did not get a shot the Royals

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Speaker 5: because there was a there was a level of expectation

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Speaker 5: of how they're gonna play the game based on the stadium,

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Speaker 5: to the point in twenty fourteen and the seventh, eighth

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Speaker 5: or ninth inning, we would bring in Gerrod Dyson, move

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Speaker 5: Lorenzo Kine, who is one of the better center fielders

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Speaker 5: of my generation that I've seen play to right field

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Speaker 5: and Nori Aoki would go sit on the bench. Obviously

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Speaker 5: Locane and Rod were better than Nori, but they were

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Speaker 5: playing that matchup to the defense, to what that looks

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Speaker 5: like for the field.

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Speaker 3: True.

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Speaker 1: Derek Carty is a Fangrafts writer in similar Actually you.

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Speaker 3: Get to the Fangrafts sing it's similar to San Francisco

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Speaker 3: when they were good for those when they won those

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Speaker 3: three titles in five years. Unbelievably good pitching, really good bullpen,

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Speaker 3: tremendous defense. They didn't have a guy that hit thirty homers.

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Speaker 3: They had guys that could get hits some big situations.

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Speaker 3: They had some high average guys, guys would hitch you

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Speaker 3: twenty right, but they'd played to their ballpark. It's just

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Speaker 3: what Kratz said. If that's why I always say, if

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Speaker 3: I'm Colorado, I just go out and go ninety five

532
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Speaker 3: Blake Street Bombers and just get a bunch of mashers

533
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Speaker 3: and say we're gonna outscore you. We're gonna try to

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Speaker 3: win sixty home games, win our thirty on the road,

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Speaker 3: and that's ninety wins and we go from there. Just

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Speaker 3: you have to play to your home ballpark, because guess what,

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Speaker 3: you play eighty one games a year in your home ballpark,

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Speaker 3: so you need to win the most of those if

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Speaker 3: you're going to be any good.

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Speaker 1: But their stat nerds think that it's not working. What's

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Speaker 1: all working the current setup, and at least I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say it's not working.

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Speaker 2: But they think this is the solution.

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Speaker 1: They think this is going to help them, and it's

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Speaker 1: not going.

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Speaker 3: To help the other team because guess what, the other

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Speaker 3: team gets some defenses moved into.

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Speaker 1: Of course, but is this such a drastic change that

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Speaker 1: it's going to affect the way that the Royals can

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Speaker 1: win games?

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Speaker 2: Or is it just going to put them in a.

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Speaker 1: Place where a few of the wall screen vpers end

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Speaker 1: up going.

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Speaker 2: Over the wall?

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Speaker 1: Or are they putting in new fountain under fountain stay

556
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Speaker 1: of the same.

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Speaker 2: And also, isn't the batter's eye there really nice?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? That's whatever year that stadium was building, like in

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Speaker 3: the sixties. I think it's still really nice.

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Speaker 1: It's a really nice park. Yeah, they're trying to get

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Speaker 1: a new park, and I'm like, no, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to do well.

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Speaker 3: They had a new park, they thought, and then Frank White,

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Speaker 3: the ex player shot it down. He was on the

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Speaker 3: city council and he's like, oh, I don't know that story.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a crazy story.

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Speaker 2: The public vote too.

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Speaker 3: But no, but before it got to that, he had

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Speaker 3: already You got to read that sort. It's great because

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Speaker 3: they thought they had it down by power and light. Yep,

571
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Speaker 3: brand new stadium. That was the thing. Remember we signed

572
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Speaker 3: Bobby Whitt, We're getting a new stadium, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: And then it fell apart. Now the Chiefs are going

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Speaker 3: to Kansas, so now they're really going to be the.

575
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Speaker 2: Kansas, putting the Kansas in Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: And the stadium deal they just got is actually the

577
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Speaker 3: crazy and I know it's football, but look up that

578
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Speaker 3: stadium deal. What they just got is absolutely incredible.

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Speaker 2: The deal that Mahomes and Kelsey built.

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Speaker 3: I mean, anyway, good for them. The Chiefs got good.

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Speaker 3: God blessed the Hunt family. Ain't selling that team forever, no,

582
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Speaker 3: because they ain't gonna be able to stop printing money

583
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Speaker 3: in the stadium deal, it's a mint. But talking about

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Speaker 3: the Royals need a new stadium, the Royals need a

585
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Speaker 3: new stadium. There's a build back in the sixties. It's

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Speaker 3: still nice. They do a great job of keeping it up.

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Speaker 3: But the thing about it is where it's located is

588
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Speaker 3: in Crouch. You played there. It's in the middle of nowhere, okay.

589
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Speaker 3: And the way every team wants now is the battery

590
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Speaker 3: is the stuff around it, and where that stadium is located.

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Speaker 3: It's not a destination. So a stadium in downtown Kansas

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Speaker 3: City makes a lot of sense. But then they got

593
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Speaker 3: to get public funding, and they got you know, so,

594
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Speaker 3: so instead they're like, we'll move the fences in ten

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Speaker 3: fee well, hat a fountain here and there, maybe a

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Speaker 3: passuatch walking back and forth. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, the stadium, the Chiefs. If the Chiefs

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Speaker 5: are gone, now you have all that area. The Chiefs

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Speaker 5: practice facilities there. Knockdown, knock down the Chiefs Stadium whatever

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Speaker 5: it's called, Higi Hiji Parker Stadium, and build you it

601
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Speaker 5: wasn't our it's not our head anymore. It's it was

602
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Speaker 5: renamed to the to the local. But anyway, why can't

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Speaker 5: they build up that area. There's so much open area.

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Speaker 5: Make it a destination, leave it there, do something, do something.

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Speaker 5: Because I love I love Kaufman too much. But what

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Speaker 5: you were talking about the Giants, I didn't think they

607
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Speaker 5: had like the greatest pic Yes, Madison Bumgardner was awesome,

608
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Speaker 5: ten limpsecom was ridiculous at the beginning of their three

609
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Speaker 5: championship runs, I guess came, but absolutely they had. But

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Speaker 5: the biggest thing that they would do is Buster Posey's

611
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Speaker 5: back there catching. He would make you beat them with

612
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Speaker 5: three singles, fastballs down in a way. Here you go,

613
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Speaker 5: try to get three singles. And their defense was good

614
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Speaker 5: enough that they wouldn't allow those things. Their pitching was

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Speaker 5: good enough that they could execute. Yes, they had, but

616
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Speaker 5: they didn't. They played a different style baseball game that

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Speaker 5: even the Royals played a different style baseball game when

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Speaker 5: I was there pitching wise, like, how do you win

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Speaker 5: a World Series with your Dona Ventura, James Shields, Chris Young,

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Speaker 5: Jeremy Guthrie. Tho, those were your start Edison Volcez after

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Speaker 5: he was Edison Volceez, Like, those were your starting pitchers.

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Speaker 5: Like you do it by playing your style of game

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Speaker 5: and not trying to mold it to what everybody else

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Speaker 5: is doing. Well, everyone else is throwing riser fastballs. We're

625
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Speaker 5: just gonna throw riser fastballs and get swinging miss strikeouts.

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Speaker 5: To me, it's okay that teams win it their way

627
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Speaker 5: if they have something unique about their stadium. By the way,

628
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Speaker 5: so this is a completely kind of awful. You mentioned

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Speaker 5: the name of the chief.

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Speaker 3: So I hung out with the guy this weekend in

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Speaker 3: Chicago that told me the guaranteed rate, you know, the

632
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Speaker 3: guaranteed rate field Now the White Sox, the amount of

633
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Speaker 3: money they got that stadium rights for for I think

634
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Speaker 3: ten years was less than I believe the Cubs wanted

635
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Speaker 3: for a billboard in their little park.

636
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Speaker 2: That's a good deal.

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Speaker 3: It was a great it was a good way. I

638
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: was like, we got that offered to us. We took

639
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Speaker 3: it in a second because we were going to try

640
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Speaker 3: to get the Cubs something at the cub Stadium, and

641
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Speaker 3: all they would do was put like a day we could, like,

642
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Speaker 3: you know, they have to I don't know if that

643
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: park is called outside Wrigley, they have a park where

644
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Speaker 3: they do concerts and it's right there. It used to

645
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Speaker 3: be a street, but they moved in and the whole thing.

646
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Speaker 3: But they were going to sponsor that little park and

647
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Speaker 3: it was more than what the White Sox offered them

648
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Speaker 3: to buy the stadium for ten years. So they were like, well,

649
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Speaker 3: take the White Sox stadium Gallagher Way, that's it. Yes,

650
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: it was going to be guaranteed rightway. But instead they

651
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Speaker 3: were like, oh, the White Sox will give us the

652
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Speaker 3: whole stadium for less, We'll take that.

653
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Speaker 2: Which hell yeah, of course.

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Speaker 3: But it was just funny. When I heard that, I

655
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: was like, man, that's crazy. The difference in the markets

656
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: in the same citat sure.

657
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the Cubs have the historic component. I get it.

658
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: The White Sox could invest more in what they're doing

659
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: and create a powerhouse and make more There are plenty

660
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: of examples of that. The Blue Jays are the latest ones. Anyway,

661
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: let me get to this projections. This was the part

662
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: that actually threw me off, unless I'm reading this wrong.

663
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: Derek Cardy from Fangrafts put out the projections before and

664
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: after the park change. Old slugin percentage projection for Bobby

665
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: wit Junior five to twenty one, new slugin percentage five

666
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: to twenty five. He has him at one more Homer, Salby,

667
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: one more Homer, Vinnie p one more Homer. I agreed, Okay,

668
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean they add up because you'll have a lot

669
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: of people getting another Homer.

670
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 5: The other team down. I know batting average will go down.

671
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 5: And what are the Royals do? What are the Royals do?

672
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 5: They put the ball in play. Now, all of a sudden,

673
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 5: you shrunk some of that outfield. The defenders come a

674
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 5: little bit closer, they can cover more ground. I don't know.

675
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 5: I don't know, So I.

676
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: Want to be clear. Krats for you. For example, you

677
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: were part of the Royals org, would you have done this?

678
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: If you get presented with years long analysis of what

679
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: they think should happen and say we will win one

680
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: and a half more home games.

681
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: Per year if we do this, would you do it?

682
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: And would you buy the data? Would you be into

683
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: the data? Yes?

684
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 5: I would be into the data. I would not be

685
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 5: afraid of buying into the data. But I would definitely

686
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 5: take a look at what we have spent the last

687
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 5: hower many years building our farm system to be guys

688
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 5: that make contact and run the bases and play defense.

689
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 5: And I need to see I need to see the

690
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 5: downside because it's not just get we got one and

691
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 5: a half extra wins a year at home, which is

692
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 5: a huge jump. To me, that's a huge jump. But

693
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 5: where's the downside? What is the down how much more.

694
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 5: How much less are we going to be getting our

695
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 5: hits because we're a team that is been historically the

696
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 5: last three years top two or top three in the

697
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 5: least amount of strikeouts, lowest strikeouts in baseball. Now, all

698
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 5: of a sudden, it's like, guys, it's okay if you

699
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 5: strike out, because we need you to hit the ball

700
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 5: over the fence. Now you're gonna have a superpower, which

701
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 5: is not striking out going down. Now you're gonna have

702
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 5: that defense. Okay. Well, you know, I'm not saying they

703
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 5: did this because of Jack Kaglione, But if Jack Taglione

704
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 5: doesn't cover the outfield like some of the other outfielders

705
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 5: that they've had in the history of their game, you know,

706
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 5: maybe this benefits him more. Maybe it's more than one

707
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 5: home run like it is for vinnp or South.

708
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: Benny p tweeted a lot after this came out. I'll

709
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: try and take some bits and pieces, he said, from

710
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: a data perspective. This hits close to home because he's

711
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: about to go in a room arbitration and here how

712
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: awful he is, he says the k The ballpark was

713
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: the sixth most hitter friendly ballpark according to the park

714
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: factor sixth most friendly. That's overall runs, not home runs.

715
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: He said, we'll moving the fences in make this better

716
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: or worse. Hitters like hitting at the k because the

717
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: visuals are nice, like we talked about, But everyone else

718
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: also agrees. It's been a pitcher's park forever. What this

719
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: means is that you can't hit cheap homers. That's literally

720
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: all a hitter is. Saying a park is a hitter's

721
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: park or not means but the data firmly supports it

722
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: being a hitter's paradise because you can get more singles,

723
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: doubles and triples. Will the park factor actually go down

724
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: if it's more of a neutral park because there will

725
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: be less triples Even if there's an uptick and home runs?

726
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: What will this mean for weighted runs creative plus? We

727
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: get punished, right, That's how it works when it factors

728
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: in ballpark with the stat playing at the case, what

729
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: will happen?

730
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: More home runs, more runs produced.

731
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: But if the park factor goes down, so does the

732
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: punishment for probably the most important stat in our game

733
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: from an individual standpoint. It's talking about way to runs

734
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: create a plus, which is very close to ops plus.

735
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: All in all.

736
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: I truly believe hitters pitchers arelike just want fairness. But

737
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: we play one of the only sports where the field

738
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: size changes, and I think that's one of the cooler

739
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: parts of our game.

740
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: And then he's just joking, like I rammed a lot.

741
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: It's cool, just he's just putting stuff out there to

742
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: see what people mark.

743
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 2: Though.

744
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: He gets it. He's one of those guys that gets

745
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: it and he understands the stats that matter, and he

746
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: he's kind of what Crat said, it's going to take away.

747
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: That's why I loved hitting there because I wasn't a

748
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: huge home run guy, but man, I could hit some

749
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: balls in that gap and the outfielders had to do

750
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: they didn't take perfect angles. It was such an easy

751
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: double for me, right, and you can get a lot

752
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: more broken bats and bloops and hits. It in other

753
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: parks are the same as Course Field. It's the same

754
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: exact thing as Corsefield. You make your decision when you

755
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 3: go in there. You play shallow with your outfield or

756
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: you play deep. I always one of my outfielders to

757
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: play shallow at Course Field. Take away, it's not the

758
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: home runs kill you, because if a guy hits a

759
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: home run. Of course field it's going out anyways, it's

760
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: over your outfitter's head. You're screwed. But you don't want

761
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 3: the ones to fall in before the guy hit the

762
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: home run, right, And so I agree with this what

763
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: he's saying, and it takes away hits. But remember, batting

764
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 3: average doesn't matter. What do they look for home runs?

765
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: How many home runs and walks did you have? Can

766
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 3: you hit a home run walk? You can hit a

767
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: home run twenty five times and walk fifty times, but

768
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 3: strike out two hundred and fifty times? What a great player?

769
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: Can I affect the way that hitters are judged?

770
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Like you said, weighted runs created plus akops plus it

771
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: actually might make some Royals players cost less to the

772
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: Royals if that affects the metric that is used most

773
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: commonly to evaluate bats. Just saying, you know, it starts

774
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: to get really, really.

775
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 3: Are they taking away? Here's the only thing I want

776
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: to Are they taking away the plastic warning trick they

777
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: used to have. They used to have the rubber warning track?

778
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 3: Did they are they taking that away they used to have?

779
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 3: They probably already they probably already took it away. Okay,

780
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: because I just I've told the story before. We were

781
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: playing there and a guy jump tried to jump on

782
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: the field and he fell and he hit the plastic

783
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: warning track and broke his leg and they had to

784
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: come get the cart and cart him off. It was

785
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: one of the more car mask things I've ever seen.

786
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: Like the guy jumped right from the left field corner.

787
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: He jumped on and when he landed, he broke his

788
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: leg and so he and everyone our outfielders like ay

789
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: and then jump get the cart and bring him. The

790
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: cops cuffed him, put him on the cart and drove

791
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 3: them off.

792
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: It was more of a hit thing was going to be.

793
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, the last rubber plastic track that I saw was

794
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 5: the Guardians, and they were still the Indians back then,

795
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 5: so that that was the last one, and that one

796
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 5: only stretched. I think it was just past the dugout

797
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 5: like I don't even think it went all the way

798
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 5: actually I think it did go all the way out

799
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 5: to the right field line. But then but then the

800
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 5: warning track in the field was stone. But that was

801
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 5: the last one, and I think they'veged.

802
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: It anyways, just side note, but yeah, we'll see.

803
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: Good discussion, good discussion.

804
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: We'll see what it turns into and we'll be able

805
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: to see a year of numbers. The problem nowadays is

806
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: you get to see a year, two, three, whatever of numbers,

807
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: but then people will still.

808
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 2: Say, oh, well, there were so many factors involved. There's luck,

809
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: there's wind, there's this, there's that.

810
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: So Toronto moved their fences in and it got worse

811
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 3: of a hitter's park.

812
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's because they did a lot of changes there,

813
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: I know, But I'm just saying.

814
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: I remember back in the day, Texas had like the

815
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: wind tunnel out to right because of the way the

816
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: wind blew and it hit and it would get circulated back.

817
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 3: And then they made some changes in the old stadium

818
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: and that went away.

819
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 2: Cubs have had that.

820
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: Cubs Cubs put up those horrific scoreboards in the outfield

821
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: and it's just not the same.

822
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: Well, it made it more of a pictures park, I know.

823
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: And the Padres have had that where it was a

824
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: pictures park and then started to level out a little

825
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: bit more level Yeah.

826
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: I remember playing in San dieg actually the biggest one

827
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: of all time. I played the first game ever at

828
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: pet Go and it was Gigan. You're like, yeah, they

829
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: had Clussco and Nevin and all these places, and they're like,

830
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: ain't nobody ever hitting one out of here? I remember

831
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: like Nevin would hit his best bolt to Wright and

832
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: the right Filder be like he'd be like right with

833
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 3: his growley old voice. And then I played in k

834
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: America before they redid it. If you think Coffin's big,

835
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: you should have seen co America before they brought the

836
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: There was no bullpen in the outfield. The wolfpen was

837
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: behind the fence. The flag pole was in center field.

838
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: It was, it was massive, it was.

839
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 5: It was so big. City Field, City Field's original dimensions.

840
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 5: They just keep moving them in. I mean they were

841
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 5: so far back in right field. David Wright got into

842
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 5: the new stadium, was like what on earth? Because he

843
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 5: used to put balls out of shade. He used to

844
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 5: just flip him out to right, flip him out to right.

845
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 5: I mean, when you when somebody goes back and looks

846
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 5: at the old dimensions when they first opened. I was

847
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 5: at City Field when they first opened it. Oh my gosh,

848
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 5: it was massive.

849
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 3: When he went to Target Field, couldn't hit one out.

850
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: He complained about it. They moved they moved other around

851
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: the man for Joe and Justin Arnaut because they were both.

852
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: I loved it at target Field. I thought that place

853
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: was great placed. But they bitched and moaned about that

854
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: place from the jump they went from the Metrodome to there,

855
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: and they were complaining left and right about how hard

856
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: it was to hit there.

857
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: You like all the places people bitch.

858
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: About Seattle, check Minnesota. I love Minnesota Spark. Yeah, I've

859
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: been to Minnesota. I'm been to target Field. It's it's solid.

860
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: I got to hang there once. No one was there

861
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: for a while, and it was it was cool.

862
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: It's like on top of you. I mean, I like

863
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: the parks that are like where. I mean, it's like

864
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: there are people are sitting. That was the You know

865
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: what else? I liked target Field because it was like

866
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: four steps from the dugout to home plate and that

867
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 3: was my run. That was my cardio.

868
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: Oh they made it nice and easy for so there's.

869
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: Snow room behind home plate. Yeah, it's literally like one, two, three, four. Okay,

870
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: squad went to through for them in the dugout, went

871
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: to through four. It's great. I love those places, not

872
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: like Boston where you have to run a marathon to

873
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: get to home plate.

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00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: Well, they weren't thinking about you in nineteen.

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00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: Nineteen twenty or whatever. Yeah, nothing's worse than Boston because

876
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: people don't realize how far the dugout is Sacramentos. But

877
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like for dugout, from just a pure

878
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: dugout standpoint home plate to the home to the dugout

879
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: was so it's.

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00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 5: Like you get there, oh man, and it's uphill, and

881
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 5: it's uphill.

882
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: Yes, it is. I told people the story when I

883
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 3: first played at Wrigley Field in two thousand and one,

884
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: first time I ever played there, you could stand in

885
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: the outfield and the batting cages are in the outfield

886
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: in Rayfield. They if you want to call them a

887
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: batting cage, it was a net. Okay, Like Fenway used

888
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: to have a batting cage in center field and it

889
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: was just a net. They hung out there and you

890
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 3: would hit and you couldn't even like stand up all

891
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 3: the way because it was so small. Regular Field's old

892
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 3: bating cage is in Rayfield. You could stand out there

893
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: and you could watch somebody at home plate and now

894
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: all they could see was your head because it was

895
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 3: so crowned. But behind the behind the dirt, it just

896
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: it was like a who it dropped off so much.

897
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: It was crazy. If your outfielder wasn't over five ten,

898
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: you couldn't see him. You just see the little thing

899
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: on top of their hat field. You think I'm joking.

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00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: It was unbelievable.

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00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 5: It was crazy.

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00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 3: And when you talk to people, they're like, what are

903
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: you talking about? You have no idea how crazy, how

904
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: crazily crowned it was. I mean it was like it

905
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 3: just kept going down and down and down. Now they've

906
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: obviously leveled it out, it's way better. But it was hilarious.

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00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have or Bend Revere, you.

908
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: Never you never seen If Al two went out right field,

909
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 3: you hit a ball out there, you'd be like, I

910
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: run it, I got a triple. And then you'd be like, wait,

911
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: well I didn't even see that guy out there.

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00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: That's good, all right.

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Speaker 1: So if anyone else has thoughts that we missed, let

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Speaker 1: us know. If you're catching this later on too,