WEBVTT - Rahm Emanuel’s Plan to Save America (No Pressure) 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:06.640 We not only talk, but we communicate in a way 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.639 that says more about how we feel about ourselves and 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:11.680 trying to persuade somebody. And the first thing you should 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:15.000 do is talk and communicate a set of ideas and 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:17.520 values of where people live their lives, which is what 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.680 anavates me, and I think this is the most important thing. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.680 Hi. Everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric, and this is next question. 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.280 I've known Rama Manuel for a very long time. He 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:36.880 worked for Bill Clinton, he worked for Barack Obama, obviously, 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.080 and in fact, I did a profile of him back 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.320 in the day when I was on sixty Minutes. I 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.960 got to know him so well, or at least research 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.600 him so well that I knew the reason his middle 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.920 finger is shorter than the others on his right hand 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.640 is because he sliced it off in a meat slicer 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.520 as a teenager when he was working at r v's Yes, 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.399 true story. So it's very exciting for me to get 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.839 a chance to catch up with him, to talk about 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.399 what's going on in the country, to talk about the 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.120 Trump administration and everything it's done, to talk about the 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:17.360 Democratic Party and everything many people feel it hasn't done, 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:23.120 and everything in between So Ram Emmanuel, welcome to next question. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.000 Thank you so much for coming, and it's great to 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.600 see you again. And I'm seeing a lot of you, 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:35.760 No rom mister ambassador, Congressman, you've been on to keep 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.160 a job. You've been on John Stewart, you were on 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.800 Bill Maher, you were writing for the Washington Post, you 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.600 just signed a deal with CNN, and of course most 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.960 importantly you're sitting down with me. So the question is, yeah, that. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.800 Was like reversed order. We were building up. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.800 What gives are you running for president or something wrong? 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.160 If I have something to say, I'll say that. But 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.600 you know, well, first of all, you know an ambassador, 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:01.440 you can't say anything. 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.160 So I haven't feel newly liberated. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.720 Yeah, I got to get out of jail card, so 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.680 that's number one. But I also think things are at 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.920 a critical juncture both of the country first and foremost, 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:18.040 and also for the party. And I have you know, 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.320 in when I was congressman and chair of the Democratic 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.720 Congressional Campaign Committee, we had lost the two thousand presidential, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.960 the two thousand and two midterm, and the two thousand 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:32.840 and four presidential kind of similar dire circumstances for the party. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:34.840 But I also think in the sense of what's at stake. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.960 I don't know if I'm going to run. I think 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.639 a lot of people are spending time appropriately, you know, 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:42.359 obviously confronting Donald Trump. 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:44.680 I mean thinking about running. 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.200 No, well, they're kind of well, a lot of people 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.840 just because I think there's so much at stake. That said, 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.120 and that's going to work, you know in two thousand, 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.520 if you thought about it in politics. In twenty twenty six, 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.560 the midterms, it's a referendum on Donald Trump and the 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.040 Republican leadership because they run both chambers, both sides of 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.160 Pennsylvania Avenue. But to get the public to give you 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.160 the keys to the car between twenty twenty six and 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.399 twenty twenty eight, you actually have to have a view 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.560 of fighting Donald Trump but fighting for America. And I 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.760 have both through my career working in congressman as mayor, 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.519 but also President Obama's chief of staff and senior vice or. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:30.000 President Clinton thought a lot about education, healthcare, retirement, security. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.639 Those are things I've all worked on. To me, the 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:37.760 thing that's most at risk is the American dream. It's 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.160 not affordable to many people, it's not accessible to many people. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.480 And rather than just all they want is a shot, 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.960 and I think, as I said before, they've gotten the shaft. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.280 And so I'm gonna spend my time and if I 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.720 think about that and then think about what I've worked 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.800 on and have something to offer, I'll think about it. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.520 But it's not a yes and no. That's what I 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.960 you know, you'll know in your gut. 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.520 I really appreciate how honest you are being wrong, because 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:08.440 you know, I've had to. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.600 Because that's a rarity for an a magnumum no. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.240 But I've had to ask a lot of people, you know, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.120 during the course of my career, what are you going 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.719 to do? And they hem and haw. But I think 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.040 that's probably the most honest answer I've ever heard from somebody. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.159 Here's my thing, which is, look, I mean, I get 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.560 the politics of fighting Trump because there's real stakes and 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.120 real interests. But then if you think also about politics, 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:36.720 you have to fight for the American people. And I'm 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.839 gonna spend my time as I have on education first 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:42.640 sex And I don't mean to go through my record, 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.279 but like we were the first city to create free 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:49.120 community college. You got to be average in Chicago post schools. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:55.159 We made both community college transportation and books free, get 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.960 earn it. And also you couldn't get your high school 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.520 diploma unless you had a letter of acceptance for me, 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.839 either college, community college, or branch of the Armed forces 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.520 or vocational school. So we made post high school universal 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.240 for city to do it. And to me, those are 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:17.159 like the essentials for access to the American dream. That 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.760 not just your children. My children, they're gonna be Let's 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.080 be honest, they're gonna be okay. I mean, you worry 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.480 about them, but they're gonna be okay. They can have 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.040 they got an education of loving home, they can navigate. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.000 For a lot of other children and families, that's not true. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:38.440 And I want my time is spent thinking about how 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:42.480 do you make that dream accessible? And if I think 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.520 I have an answer to that, then I'm gonna I'll 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.480 do something. If I don't or it's not in your belly, 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:51.200 I won't. 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.840 There's so many things I want to talk to you about, 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.719 but you mentioned the mid terms, so I'm curious, you know, 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:02.880 are you thinking about what may happen? You're right, it 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.120 is a referendum mont Donald Trump and the Republican Party. 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.000 Do you think people are going to come out and droves, 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.039 what do you predict for the midterms? 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.520 So first of all, you you know, a month used 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.000 to feel like a year. A week now feels like 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.160 a year. So you're asking me, I want to be 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.320 clear April twenty and twenty five about what's going to 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.640 happen in November, October and November of twenty twenty six. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:33.599 A long time that said two things that are pretty 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.800 self evident now can change. So I want to those 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:40.839 are all my coveyasts. Now'll just run into it. The 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.839 most fascinating thing of two weeks ago when there was 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:49.719 Florida and Wisconsin. While all of it was fascinating, one 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:56.240 was the Supreme Court election in Wisconsin. Wasn't just Milwaukee 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:01.160 and Madison. There was depth in the roal areas. That wow. Second, 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.719 the most fascinating thing to me was Ascambia County. It's 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:10.000 in Matt Gates's district. That's where Pensacola is. It's fourteen 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:14.040 percent veterans. The national average is six, so more than 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:20.679 double veterans not counting active duty in Pensacola Navy. Donald 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.240 Trump took it by nineteen points. That county. The Democrats 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:29.320 won it plus three. It had been decades, decades since 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.960 the last Democrat won it on a federal election. So 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.480 you know, if I told you on the night Donald 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.600 Trump was elected president that the new base for the 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.200 Democratic Party would be you know, veterans of the arms, 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:41.920 you would you would not have taken that bet. You 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.800 wouldn't taken that bet. Never possible. The second thing that's 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:51.640 fascinating to me is in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.880 and twenty twenty four in special elections, the only way 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.320 Democrats won was low turnout, high turnout. We did. Now 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:03.880 every election since November has been very, very high turnout, 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.240 and Democrats are short of the two Florida seats won everything. 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:13.640 And so it's not totally dependent on a low turnout, 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.080 high education voter for the Democrat. And so if you 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.280 look at the data today, you look at consumer sentiment. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.520 I think the Trump vote that was anti Kamala and 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.640 the swing slash independent voter that will make up congressional 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.760 districts of the election work today. And I don't know 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.520 the map like I used to, I would say the 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.480 Democrats are going to take double digit numbers somewhere in 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:41.840 the kind of ten to let's say mid fifteenths. The 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.360 senate's a little rougher real estate, but you got the 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.679 Virginia governor's race in twenty twenty five. I'd have to 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.520 bet on the Democrats now, and then. 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.360 There's navigat span Burger. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.240 But also I think you're gonna If I was doing 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.560 the other races, I would just make sure every there's 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.400 a Democratic name on every county can missioner, on every 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.160 city council, on every alder minic, all every school board, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.839 have every nothing is left, because I think this has 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.440 get as many surf and surfboards and surfers as there 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.199 are and just fill it up because I think that's 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.040 what's going to happen. Yeah, given everything that we know, 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:24.360 this April, we're doing this April, We're doing this interview. 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.360 I always say this has a potential. You can feel 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.199 the momentum of this wave building. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.320 Yeah, you know, I think it's not too soon because 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.400 everybody I interview are all my followers, you know, and 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.760 I think they're a good bell weather rom about. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.320 Well, I can tell you your feeling. I can tell 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.800 you two people I know of your followers really seriously. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:48.200 Who one is my yoga instructor? She goes person pounding 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.200 me to get on your show. Is my yoga instructor Amy's. 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.240 And my yoga instructor, Well, tell her thank you, Yeah, 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.040 tell her I appreciate it. But I am doing a 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.200 lot of interviews and I get a lot of feedback 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.760 from my followers, and I have, you know, a few 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.839 million people who actually pay attention to the people I'm 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.160 speaking with, and I would say the majority of people 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.760 at least over the last several weeks. Now maybe there 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:18.200 was a little glimmer of hope in Wisconsin and Florida recently, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.600 but they're like, what the hell is going on with 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.400 the Democratic Party. We'll talk about the Republicans in a moment, 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.320 but you know, words like feckless, you know, lacking direction, 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.040 where's the leader? And I'm curious if you think that's 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.000 a fair assessment. 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:38.120 Yes and no, that's the honest answer. So one, I 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.559 kind of I describe it as a tale of two parties. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.400 One is, I just gave you results out in the country. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.920 So there's Democratic voters, they're a leading and they're saying 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:52.600 there's massive energy and not just among Democratic voters, but 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.960 also voters who see the Democrats as a better option. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.280 So that's once part of the narrative, moment, part of 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.800 the story, and shouldn't be ignore it because I mean, 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.800 as I grew up with, both President Clinton and President 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:08.040 Obama are kind of big part of my political education. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.080 You know, elections have consequences. You want a Supreme Court 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.400 justice win an election, You want to pass the taxaization 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.440 of favor working families pass win an election. That's you know, 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.200 that's a So that's one side of the narrative. The 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:25.599 other side is one is is I don't want to 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:30.240 say limited to or constrained, but is around Washington. And 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.400 I think given the speed in which they were dealing 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.880 with incoming from President Trump, they got vertico. They couldn't 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.800 tell up from down and you know, left from right, 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.280 and they. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.559 It wasn't that the plan Stan, you. 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.439 Know what that was his plan? Well, you got to 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.800 have your plan, I mean, and so and I think, 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:53.360 so let me then fast forward. And this is somewhat 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.120 influenced because of my own view about how the continuing 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.079 resolution the funding of government was not dealt with in 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.520 about think it's six weeks if I mind calculations, right, 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.280 they have to raise the deat limit and my general rules, 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:10.000 I said this pre that in February on This was 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.160 on the government funding one Karras Swisher's podcast. But I'll 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.079 say here for the debt limit, I said, then you 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.680 got to have principles. Well, you gotta have principles. My 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.800 principles are I would do something on tariffs, claw back 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:27.000 the power be on taxes, and see on healthcare. And 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:28.800 if you want our support for raising the deat limit. 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:34.400 We got three things. Now you don't meet them. You 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.760 guys have all the gavels and you have all the microphones. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.280 That's your art of the deal man. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.600 Well, I mean, yeah, you wanna art of the deal. Yeah, 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.760 it's called win win. It's not called wind loose. You 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.360 like to win loose. Well, we're not going to be 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.360 on that side of the trade. Okay, So we want 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.360 to claw back power on tariffs because you've actually sent 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.040 the economy into a recession and working families have been 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.160 there and stayed there and then now they're there really 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.760 deeper down. B here's what we're going to do on 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:01.800 tax This is it relates to the wealthy and well off. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:03.280 And here's what we're going to do is it relates 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.640 to medicaid and premium support. You can't cut it to 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.480 pay for tax cuts for you know, Jeff Bezos and 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.520 Elon Musk and the rest of them. Forget about it. 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.719 And that's the price. And if you don't like it, 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.240 that's okay. You're in the majority in the House, you're 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:20.240 the majority in the Senate. God willing and God bless 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.079 you and so and I want to say, so when 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.120 in nineteen ninety four, when new Gingrigh try to shut 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:26.160 the government down. 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.200 And contract with America, Yeah, we did contract. 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.520 For America, right, well, it was a contract to America, 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.800 that's how I remember it. But we had M squared 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.840 E squared, Medicare and medicaid, education environment. Those are the principles, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.920 and that's you do that. You can't touch Medicare and medicaid. 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.200 You can't cut education environment either. And in the end 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.920 of the day, Gingrich had a fold. Fast forward to 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.320 twenty thirteen. Now these are around government shutdowns, slightly different 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.680 also because working for a president's microphones slightly different than 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.200 when you're in the minority in the House. In the 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.440 House and the Senate, it was called the three piece 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:07.760 premium support parents, kids on their healthcare and pre existing conditions, 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.520 and so you have to have the principles you enunciate 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.760 clearly ahead of time, so you can't do it forty 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:21.360 eight hours beforehand. There's going to be a real need night. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:26.960 The Freedom Caucus doesn't like voting for these debtlimits, okay, 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.080 which not like we like it either, but as Democrats, 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.480 but if you want our vote, here's our principles, and 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.600 they're pretty clear. Your tariffs have created nothing but havoc 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.440 in people's lives and in the four to one ks 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.200 and their savings and their college funds for their kids. 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.760 And we don't think you should cut premium supports and 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.640 medicate to do tax cuts for the rich. And here's 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:54.320 what we want for tax cuts. And if not, well 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.120 you know the Speaker and you know the Senate Majority 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.000 leader and you can work it out with them. And 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.440 that I think would give you the strength part that 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.240 people are looking for in direction part the Democrats need 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:03.720 to provide. 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.080 Yeah, you owe some kind of counter narrative, right, well. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.880 I think. Look, my rule about politics when I work 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.360 is what unifies your side and divides the other side. 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.560 The House and Senate Republicans aren't too happy about tariffs. 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:24.160 If you're from a agricultural driven state, so we can 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.440 either you can either go with the president, or you 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.680 can go with your state. You're in a rural state 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.600 or you're in a tough congressional district. Try cutting Medicaid 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.440 and see if your local hospital survives. So you can 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.080 either be with President Trump or you can screw your 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.400 local hospital and all the people in employees. And so 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.160 my view is I have a very simple what unites 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:44.720 our team and divides the other team. 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.840 Do you think that calculation is finally getting to some 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.360 Republicans who are like, holy shit, my loyalty to Donald 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.720 Trump is going to cost me. It's not going to 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:54.240 protect me. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.040 You know you say that, So let me the one 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:00.840 thing I would say, Look, I'm surprised they've gone this 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.680 far putting their principles in a lock box. And I look, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.800 there's very As a most ambassador, as chief of staff, 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.000 they're very good. I mean I can say this about 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.920 certain House members I worked with and certain senators Republicans. 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.600 I'm talking about very decent people, smart people, care a 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.880 great deal. I am shocked what they go along with. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:25.800 No Democrats. I mean, I mean, if we if any 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.720 president tried anything like this on the tariffs or anything 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:33.640 on the Justice Department and the FBI. Bill Clinton did 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.760 not fire Louis Free. One of the one of the 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:43.560 calculations was it backlash. I'm shocked at this. So I'm 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.280 you know, you say to me, when will Liver I 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:46.960 don't know when the repubonent's going to stand up. I'm 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.680 like the last person asked. I'm like, you know, you 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.400 must be firming your opinion. It's your principles you're flexible on. 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:54.400 I've never seen anything. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.280 Like what's the explanation? You've been and watch. 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:58.360 Primaries, fair of primaries. 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.960 I think they're crave an addiction to power over premier. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.719 You know you did my biography. I mean I love 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.479 public service. That's clear. Every senator and House member I 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.160 talked to that's in a slightly marginal they all talk about. 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.880 I was talking to one senator the other day. You 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.200 raise all this money, you spent all this time working, 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.240 and you hate the job. Really, so do what you 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.640 want to know. At least fifty percent of the time, 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.440 I get calculations about politics. I love politics. You weigh 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:30.680 equities and the trade offs, but you literally spend all 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.879 this time running around the country raising millions of millions 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.960 of dollars with people you hope you sometimes you don't 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.200 want to talk to ever again for a job you hate. 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:43.760 It, doesn't they hate the job. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.159 A lot of people think a lot of part of 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.280 Washington is specifically on the legislative side, is broken. 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.560 Well, they're frustrated, but that doesn't mean they hate it, right, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.119 I mean, I think they're frustrated. They went there with 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:56.160 good intentions. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.800 No no, no, no, that's a good catch. Hate it's 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.919 wing over and spilling over to the other side of 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.360 the tracks. They're beyond frustrated because it doesn't do. They 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.560 came to do stuff and with earnest interest. We may 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.200 not agree on, but real earnest interest. And I worked 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:17.320 with Republican senators and members of cars and Democrats. But 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.760 it's just like broke, it's a broken institution that doesn't perform. 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:23.960 Who do you see is the rising stars in the 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:24.919 Democratic Party? 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:29.359 Rom Well, there's a lot of talent, you know, once 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:30.880 you start naming names. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:31.840 Can I name some names? 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:32.800 Yeah? 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.159 I mean, just to get your reaction. Sure, Corey Booker. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:41.960 We were mayors together, very eloquent, beyond eloquent, understands both 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:43.920 big cities and a big state. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.080 Talent Gretchen Whitmer. 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:51.040 Big fan of Gretchen, and I think she's managed if 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.280 and again I don't mean to look to politics, but 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:57.600 she managed a purple state effectively and dealt with the 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.560 legislative branch and made it. I think a was kind 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.040 of people forget this when everybody talks about the politics today. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.359 When she says is pay the damn build the damn roads, 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.960 I mean she caught the mood of frustration. Well, Josh Shapiro, 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:16.159 we were, you know, not only texting yesterday, but he 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.640 called me on Tuesday. We were having a conversation. I'm 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:19.840 a fan as well. 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:24.800 Corey Booker is black. Obviously, you have Gretchen Whitmer, She's 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.719 a woman. Josh Shapiro is Jewish. Do you think they 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:29.600 could be elected? 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.520 Yeah? You you know, so you cut it off there. 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.159 I was thought, you so let me. I am going 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.199 to go, so let me say why I think so? 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:43.680 As Okay, rom Israel Emanuel I got elected in the 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.840 north side of the city of Chicago. The predecessors that 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:56.560 had the seat before me, Dan Rossenkowski, Roman Pucinski, Franken Nunzio, 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:02.719 Mike Flanagan, present whole There's Mike Quigley and Rob Legoyevitch. 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.159 That's Chicago, right, but no, no, which name does not 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.000 fit in there? Yeah, Ram israelimant. It was a two 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.680 percent Jewish community and when I ran for Congress, President 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.640 Obama used to tease me I was a Birther before 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.760 anybody I had showed my birth certificate. They had to 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:19.840 proved that I was born in the country I could serve, 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.960 and it was an issue. And it was only two 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.960 The district was only two percent Jewish, and it got 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.480 ugly because I was running principally against a Polish woman 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.800 in a Polish district and some of her backers said 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:37.200 some ugly things about my Judaism, and say, I'll say 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.600 to you what I have said. Then I know the people. 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.080 I met him in their l stops. I met him 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.959 on their front stoops, good people raising their kids to 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.119 know right from wrong, and I trust their judgment and 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.359 it turned out right. When I was Ambassador to Japan, 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:55.159 somebody had spray painted on the fence Nazi symbols, and 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:00.840 the next day, still don't know who. Some neighbor went 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:05.639 over and painted over. It never came forward. I've asked 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:09.600 other so was there ugliness there was ugliness and there 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:14.520 was a just generosity of spirit. So anti Semitism always 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:19.160 existed always, It's just much more public and people think 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:20.200 it's more acceptable. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:20.440 Now. 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.879 That's one thing we did work for President Obama. So yes, 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.879 there's more than a chance for African American to get elected. 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.240 What's interesting on women? This is it political? I'm probably 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.000 going to get yelled at, so I should watch myself. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:39.200 But I'm here with you. What could go wrong? It's 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.159 if you look at Europe Prime Minister Maloney in Italy, 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:50.120 conservative margat Thatcher, conservative Chancellor Merkel, and Germany considered Christian 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:54.560 Democratic Party in there put Scandinavia slightly as I So 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.679 I could see in America where it's more likely the 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:04.280 first female president comes out of the conservative philosophy than 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:05.480 the progressive philosophy. 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:06.240 Why is that? 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.160 I just think it has more to do with the voters, etc. 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.800 On the other hand, let me checkmate what I just said. 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:21.639 A governor will have proven something that has a voice 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:25.359