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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Happy Saturday. And as promised in our Saturday

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Speaker 1: Morning Cartoons episode, which, by the way, I hope you

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Speaker 1: woke up this morning and went downstairs and at least

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Speaker 1: streamed some cartoons for nostalgia's sake. But as promised in

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Speaker 1: that episode, here is our past school House Rock app

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Speaker 1: that we recorded quite a number of years ago, and

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Speaker 1: we thought it was apropos that we put it out

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Speaker 1: the same week as the old Saturday Morning Cartoons up.

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Speaker 1: We really had a great time recording this episode. Schoolhouse

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Speaker 1: Rock was a fundamental source of learning men entertainment for

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Speaker 1: both of us growing up and for most of Gen X.

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Speaker 2: I would say, so, I hope you enjoy it all

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Speaker 2: over again.

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Speaker 1: Here we go with how school House Rock Rocked featuring

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Speaker 1: Bob Nistanovich Pavement.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 4: Let's say, because knowledge is power.

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Speaker 5: Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 4: I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, There's Jerry

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Speaker 4: and this is Stuff.

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Speaker 5: You Should Know. Chip off the block of your favorite schoolhouse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was h We just heard the theme song.

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Speaker 2: If you're between the ages of well, were you into it? Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so you're what forty one, I'm forty, dude, forty so

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Speaker 2: probably younger than you even a bit. Let's say if

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Speaker 2: you're between.

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Speaker 5: I was definitely toward the tail end of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's say thirty eight to fifty years old.

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Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, that's so true. So let's say it was

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Speaker 5: up to.

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Speaker 2: Eighty five, so our Schoolhouse Rock.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I would swear in that, let's say

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Speaker 4: thirty five to what fifty ish? All right, that's what

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Speaker 4: you agree on a little more fifty five maybe.

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Speaker 5: So that fifteen year period you were lucky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if you just heard that theme song and

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Speaker 2: like something inside your body happened emotionally in your brain,

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Speaker 2: then that means that you grew up in the seventies

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Speaker 2: and eighties. I think the heyday of Saturday Morning cartoons personally,

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Speaker 2: as a fan of Schoolhouse Rock one of my favorite

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was pretty great.

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Speaker 2: I still love it. Yeah, Like I still listen to

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Speaker 2: this stuff semi regularly.

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Speaker 5: Oh do you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd been a little while.

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Speaker 4: When I went back to research this, I listened to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they all just came flooding back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the writer of this article actually interviewed, didn't

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Speaker 2: he Bob Doro?

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Speaker 5: It sounded that way unless he's a big fat liar.

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Speaker 5: In his author's note.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just remember when this article went around, Like

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Speaker 2: the first thing we do when there's an article at

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Speaker 2: house thefforks is there's a email that goes around everyone

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Speaker 2: where people kind of suggest kind of questions you can

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Speaker 2: I don't think we ever really talked about that, did we.

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Speaker 2: Nine years in that's a secret and people say, hey,

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Speaker 2: you should think about this, you should do this, And

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Speaker 2: I said, somebody should try and interview Bob Doro. It's

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Speaker 2: like he's ninety three years old and you know, you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well he was on his way to like a

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Speaker 2: I bet you that was more in there than this.

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Speaker 2: I was all disappointed. Oh you're saying I wanted like

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Speaker 2: more more select pull quotes from mister Doro.

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Speaker 4: He wanted like I called mister Doro. He answered, Hello,

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Speaker 2: We should have interviewed him for this.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why we didn't.

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Speaker 4: Guess let's go back to the seventies, the greatest decade

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan of the sixties, seventies, and eighties. It'd

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Speaker 5: There was a lot wrong in the seventies.

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Speaker 4: Nixon was president during the seventies. Okay, Yeah, lots of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just love it. I do too, And it

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Speaker 2: lot of We talked about that in the Nostalgia episode

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Speaker 2: So early seventies, there's a gentleman named David McCall and

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Speaker 4: Right, and like pairing them with concepts to teach, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Because this guy McCall was, like you said, he was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they would see a jingle for a product

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Speaker 2: So he went to one of the I think he

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Speaker 2: Newell ran it by him. He said, great idea, get

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Speaker 5: Didn't you feel bad for this person?

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Speaker 2: I did, But you know what, it could have died there, right,

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Speaker 2: he never would have had Schoolhouse Rock.

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Speaker 4: But this person went down in history is the contributor

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Speaker 5: Who didn't it didn't make it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, say it? Or the person who almost old Schoolhouse Rock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is really, you know, a great thing and

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Speaker 2: Bob Doro, one of my heroes, who was and is

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Speaker 2: a great bebop jazz pianist and composer, and said, you

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Speaker 2: And here's the one quote we might as well read

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Speaker 5: It'sy bitsy spider, give.

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Speaker 4: But so this idea germinates in this right guy's head.

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Speaker 2: That's right. So Dora goes home, he has a daughter,

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Speaker 5: Of the best man, it is far out.

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Speaker 2: Three is a magic number was the very first schoolhouse

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this this composition that he came back with, Three

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Speaker 5: Hear it, it's super cool, but I don't.

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Speaker 4: I'm really surprised that everybody's like, this is, yes, figure

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Speaker 2: I've wanted to do a podcast on three, the number three,

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Speaker 2: because it's very special. It is very special. It is.

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Speaker 5: We did one on zero. Why not three?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I forgot about that. Remember, I think my

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Speaker 5: That's a good one. It's tough. Zero is tough.

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Speaker 2: It is tough and not at all magic, right, not

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Speaker 2: really so regardless, if you would have been working there,

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go work on this process cheese account.

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Speaker 2: I did think of Madmen quite a bit when I

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Speaker 5: That is how Chuck Jones taught.

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Speaker 2: How he didn't and Michael Eisner bought it and uh,

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Speaker 2: all right, we're back. So strange. So Schoolhouse Rocks started

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we had some of this, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was. It's programming between the programming that's not commercial.

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Speaker 4: Right, When the creators of the program you're actually watching

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. This is January sixth and seventh, was the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you were in the upper atmosphere playing my lyre coalescing,

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Speaker 2: Multiplication Rock until they realized that the visuals were important

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Speaker 2: they could put it on television. And the first four

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Speaker 5: Zero again, Yeah, not magical, but it is a cool number.

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Speaker 2: Such a funny little hero. Yeah, so you came along.

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Speaker 5: So that when was that Chuck nineteen seventy three, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what they settled on was almost

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Speaker 4: So apparently Bob Doro had been off like coming up

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Speaker 5: Have you heard that one?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what's your favorite of the multiplication rock?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, three is the magic number?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a hit, so much so that Bob

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for I think the whole album.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but the jerks at Sesame Street one.

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Speaker 5: If you're gonna lose, lose to Sesame Street.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is another cool thing about Schoolhouse Rock

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed like a project that everyone enjoyed working on,

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Speaker 4: And we should say I don't think that these were

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Speaker 5: That's so what everybody knows.

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Speaker 2: It's a great, great song, a song as he sang

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Speaker 5: Okay, but I know what it is.

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Speaker 2: of looked like Will Ferrell to me, like he should

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's no controversy or conflict. It's just

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Speaker 5: Rhyme, rhyme, rhyme, rhyme, rhyme, rme me, rhyme, rhyme.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was season two. It was Grammar, right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where it reminded me of Madmen, like

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Speaker 5: I've never seen mad Ben.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's good. I'm rewatching it right now.

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Speaker 2: Were great exactly.

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00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 5: And who was it that founder Newell, the creative director guy.

442
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like in the movie, he's just walking down the

443
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 2: hall and hears this beautiful music and stops. It's like,

444
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: what in the world's going on in there?

445
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 5: Right?

446
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 4: And it was Lynn Aerond's And so they took her

447
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 4: and put her on I guess, part time on the project,

448
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 4: and they I guess eventually made her a full time songwriter,

449
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 4: which is pretty cool.

450
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was her gig. Fifteen of the songs, right,

451
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: including some of the biggest ones. A noun as a

452
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: person plays her thing, great song, InterPlaNet Janet interjections to

453
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: a good one, a victim of gravity about Isaac Newton.

454
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 4: InterPlaNet Janet sounds like Rocky Horror if you go back

455
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 4: and listen to it, Yeah, it kind of does. It

456
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,719
Speaker 4: bears a real resemblance to it.

457
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: Or Rocky Horror sounded like InterPlaNet Janet.

458
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 5: Well, I went and looked. Rocky Horror was three years

459
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 5: before in A Planet Janet the movie or the play

460
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 5: the movie?

461
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so the play was he before that?

462
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 5: Was it a play first?

463
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Meatloaf was even in the play. Oh yeah

464
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: before the movie right, and not a play I guess, musical?

465
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 5: Sure, he played with songs and dancing.

466
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: So the next one to come along was America Rock

467
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: or History Rock, which kind of vised for the best

468
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: to me with Grammar.

469
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 5: Rock, and that one tied into the by centennial.

470
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah that was a big deal, which you don't remember,

471
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: but I remember being a little kid, being five years old,

472
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: and it took over the country for you know, that

473
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: entire year.

474
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, there was like a resurgence in colonial

475
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 4: emblems and stuff like that. You know that if you

476
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 4: ever walked past like a very very old person's house today,

477
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 4: you might see like a flagholder that's a black metal eagle, yeah,

478
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 4: holding like some arrows maybe or something like that. That

479
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 4: is from nineteen seventy six. Still there like a resurgence

480
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 4: in Betsy Ross and colonial like nick knacks and stuff.

481
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

482
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 4: I was I was just born, but it was there

483
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 4: was a it created like a high water mark that

484
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 4: I was able to see even you know, four five

485
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 4: six years later.

486
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 2: So History Rock or America Rock featured some of the

487
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: best songs Mother Necessity, Shot Herd Around the World and

488
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: No More Kings, which is maybe my second all time favorite. Yeah, yeah,

489
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: and that's the one that There was an album that

490
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: came out in like ninety five ninety six called Schoolhouse

491
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: Rocks Rocks. I think Schoolhouse Rock Rocks where they got

492
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: contemporary artists to cover these songs. And did you ever

493
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: listen to that?

494
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 5: I listened to the Pavement one of the day.

495
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: Man so I emailed Bob Nistanovich today from Pavement because,

496
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: as I said in the previous episode, I tricked him

497
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: into being my email friend, and I said, Hey, dude,

498
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: I would love to hear if you have any thoughts

499
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: on them, more kings, how you guys were approached, if

500
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: there are any stories, what it meant to you, what

501
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: it didn't mean, whatever, let me know. Crickets No, no, no,

502
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: He emailed back, and then I said, I'll call you

503
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: on my way to work. Called him the way to work. Crickets, Yeah,

504
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: got his voicemail, and then as I was coming in

505
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: the studio, he called and left the voicemail saying he

506
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 2: was in his minivan rocking out and he didn't hear

507
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: the phone ring. Oh that's funny, which is very funny

508
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: to me. But I told him I'd like to hear

509
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: what he has to say, because he said he has

510
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: a tale to tell about that experience.

511
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 5: Man, we're going to have to record it after.

512
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: This, well, yeah, or if it could be like a

513
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: listener mail, Yeah, like if I can get him on tape,

514
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: then we'll tag it at the end. Okay, if not,

515
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: if it ends up being an email version or something,

516
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: I'll just maybe recount it in my own dumb words.

517
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 5: Or you could ask him if we could read the

518
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 5: email and make a listener mail.

519
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: Oh for real, Yeah, like a real listener mail. It's

520
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: not about idea. So anyway, so listen up for the

521
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: end for Bob Nistanovitch's story about No More Kings, because

522
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: if you listen to that CD, it's like the Lemonheads

523
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: and Ween this.

524
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 5: Is super ninety CD.

525
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Moby and they're all most of them are pretty

526
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: straight ahead, and so you get to the Pavement song

527
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: and it's just all pavement, Like Malcolm's changed his words.

528
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: He there's like laser guns at the end, and it's

529
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: just wonderfully pavement, like quintessentially pavement. Yeah, like leave it

530
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: to them to just kind of throw it all out

531
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: the window and do their own thing.

532
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

533
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: I liked it a lot. Three Ring Government. I didn't

534
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: really know that one.

535
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: That was good and apparently they so it basically talks

536
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 4: about the different branches of the government. Yeah, but puts

537
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: in the context of a three ring circus, and it's

538
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 4: really I mean, aside from the fact that it compares

539
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: the government to a three ring circus, it's not at

540
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 4: all offensive.

541
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 2: Right.

542
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 5: Apparently they sat on that one for years and didn't

543
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 5: release it until like nineteen seventy nine because they were

544
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 5: worried about offending the government, which is a strange thing

545
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 5: to worry.

546
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: About, yeah, through today's lens.

547
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, but even still, I mean, this is like post Watergate.

548
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 4: It's not like everybody was like, oh right, right, you know,

549
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 4: we couldn't possibly call the government a three ring circus.

550
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That is weird. It seems like that

551
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: would have been a good time to do it. Yeah,

552
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: you know, but the most famous song from that year

553
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: by far was Sheldon's on Just a Bill?

554
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 5: Is that your favorite?

555
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: No?

556
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 5: Okay?

557
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: That was composed not by mister Doro but by a

558
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: man named Dave Frishburg. And I mean that one was

559
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: just a mega hit, straight to number one on the

560
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: Billboard charts.

561
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 4: It's like, as far as Schoolhouse Rocks goes, that's the

562
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: that's the that's the cultural icon that signifies the whole thing.

563
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: I think close close second would be conjunction junction. Maybe

564
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 4: they're tired, I don't know, but I just feel like

565
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 4: I'm just a Bill is the most readily recognizable one.

566
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just amazing when you look back, though,

567
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: like the learning that was going on and the teaching

568
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: that was happening. Yeah, these kids, us, we were learning

569
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: how a bill becomes a law right in the in

570
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: the best way possible, like better than any well, not

571
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: any teacher. There were great teachers back then, I want

572
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: to say, like any dumb teacher that's boring their kids.

573
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: But it definitely struck a chord with me. Sure, you know, yeah,

574
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: And that's how I remember a lot of this stuff.

575
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 4: And apparently two adults were also noticing Schoolhouse Rock at

576
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 4: the time. Supposedly there were plenty of orders. This was

577
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: before video cassettes. Yeah, before they were widely available, I

578
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: guess in the home. I'm trying to think of how

579
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: they would have played them if they didn't have video cassettes.

580
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 4: But anyway, apparently lobbyists and legislators would get in touch

581
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 4: with ABC and be like, you got to get me

582
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 4: a copy of that I'm a bill thing.

583
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Give me a Beta Max because I want.

584
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 5: To show it to my staff to train them on

585
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 5: this kind of stuff.

586
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: Well, I think they asked for cassettes, at least, at

587
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: the very least so they could play in the music.

588
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 5: I see. Maybe that's what they meant, probably okay.

589
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: An eight track. Yeah, And then there was Science Rock

590
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: was the year after that. That was seventy eight and

591
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: seventy nine, which is pretty good. InterPlaNet Janet victiogravity one, yeah,

592
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: is so weird? What InterPlaNet Janet? Yeah, Yeah, it's a

593
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: good one. And then the telegraph Line song, which I

594
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: think that was written by Urns too, I think, oh yeah,

595
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: And that one was really like, I mean it was

596
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: you literally learned about the nervous system and how the

597
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: body communicates to the brain by listening to that song.

598
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: That's one that they've wanted to play for medicine students. Yeah,

599
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: and they did amazing some of them. All right, well

600
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: let's take another break, and jeez, we'll cover the sad

601
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: last season of Schoolhouse Rock after.

602
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 5: This, so chuck.

603
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: Schoolhouse Rock for the first four seasons was the epitome

604
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: of creativity. Even their process was creative, Like the songwriters

605
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: would I guess they would say, this season, our theme is,

606
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: you know, it's gonna be science or gonna be grammar

607
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 4: or whatever, so go forth and figure this out. The

608
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 4: songwriters would come up with songs and they'd pitch them

609
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: to the creative team. And so there was this process

610
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 4: of creativity and it started with the creatives. That's the

611
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 4: key here. Yeah, that's what made it just so legitimate

612
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 4: and so wonderfully creative this whole time.

613
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 5: It started with the creatives, right.

614
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they would pretty cool. They would get them

615
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: vetted by that Bank Street School of Education, so they

616
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: would get make sure everything was like, you know, it

617
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: was right yeah, and.

618
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: Then ABC would be like, let me say it, and

619
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 4: then they'd say, oh, I guess it's fine, and then

620
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 4: they'd start to storyboard it once they had the lyrics

621
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: set in stone, right. That was the first four seasons.

622
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: The fifth season they said die, creativity Die, and they

623
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 4: reversed the process and they said, hey, songwriters, here are

624
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 4: your assignments. Now we think kids should know more about computers,

625
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: so we're going to just screw this whole thing up.

626
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, this is the part I don't get it,

627
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: says the ABC program exec Squire Rushnell commissioned this because

628
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: that was the idea that children were afraid of computers.

629
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: I can't I don't remember anything, but they're being like

630
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: excitement about computers. I don't remember any kids being like,

631
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to go near that.

632
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

633
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: I remember kids being like, oh that's cool, let me

634
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: sit down.

635
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 5: And usually it was the parents that were afraid of computers.

636
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: Well, I think herein lies the problem. Yeah, with season five.

637
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 5: So we should say season five too.

638
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: If you notice we jumped quite a bit from nineteen

639
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: seventy nine to nineteen eighty five, Schoolhouse Rock was running

640
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: all those years on Saturday mornings.

641
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, they just weren't any new ones. They were the

642
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 5: same ones they were re running.

643
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: U Yeah, the class nineteen eighty five, Squire Rushnal says,

644
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: give me, give me four episodes or six?

645
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 5: Is it four or six? On computers?

646
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're gonna call the season a scooter computer.

647
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: And mister Chips, what do you think of that?

648
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 4: So it's what like a computer with a bag of chips.

649
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 4: It's like, no, mister Chips is a computer? Well what

650
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 4: scooter computer?

651
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 5: He's a kid.

652
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: And they said, well what about the goodbye? Mister Chips said,

653
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: great book? And no one's ever read that.

654
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 5: What's a book?

655
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: So it was a little confusing.

656
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 5: We have disdain for him.

657
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: It's a little weird. I know, I feel bad if

658
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: that's not really how it went down. But it sounds

659
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: kind of like that classic story, you know, like an

660
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: executive takes over the creative and it just goes downhill.

661
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 5: That's usually how it happens.

662
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: And I do feel a little bit bad because, you know,

663
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: the originals were still involved. They got mister Doro back

664
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: on board. Yeah, and I think they did the best

665
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: they could. But I think one of the issues is

666
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: all the other seasons, you know, math and science and history.

667
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: It's all civics. It's all baked in like that stuff

668
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: is classic and didn't change when you're writing songs about

669
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: data processing and basic computer language a couple of years later, Like, no,

670
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: it's not relevant anymore, right, you know. So it's sort

671
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: of that's why no one's ever heard of it.

672
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: Plus again they were like, so wait, Scooter computers, the

673
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: oh you're the computer he's hanging out with, right, And

674
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: why is the computer on roller skates?

675
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, just stuff like that, you know.

676
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 4: It was. It was an undignified end to something really great. Agreed,

677
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 4: and so they pulled the plug on the whole thing.

678
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty five, they said, Hey, this Mary lou

679
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 4: Retton lady.

680
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: We like her.

681
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 5: She's got gumption, she's got apple Pie coming out of

682
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 5: her ears.

683
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: Gs.

684
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 5: We love her and we want to put her on TV,

685
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 5: so they put her interstitials.

686
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: On Yeah, ABC, Funfit.

687
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 4: I'll bet that was the same time when Reagan made

688
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 4: Arnold Schwarzenegger is like fitnesses are remember that?

689
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: Huh totally remember that the presidential fitness test, right?

690
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 5: Yeah? Man, I failed that so many times.

691
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I was always sick that day. It's

692
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: like I gotta climb a rope.

693
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, still to this day, I've never climbed a rope

694
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 5: in my life. No, made it this far. Yeah, I'm

695
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: going to be chased by a tiger on the way home.

696
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: I think I was going to say, that's how you're

697
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: going to meet your one day. It's gonna be like

698
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: a burning building in a rope. It's just going to

699
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: fall from the ceiling like a cartoon. Right. In the

700
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: late eighties, that was a student at Yukon Go Huskies

701
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: that said I want to bring Schoolhouse Rock back. They

702
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 2: started a petition.

703
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 4: I could not find this person's name for the life

704
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 4: of me. I couldn't either, Sorry, person.

705
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: But ABC said, you know what, people want this, and

706
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: I guess it took them a little while to get

707
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: around to it. But nineteen ninety three they brought it back,

708
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: rerunning all those classic tunes and cartoons and added some

709
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: new stuff. Yeah, by Bob Doro in the Gang.

710
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, they brought back the originals and this this season

711
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 4: was called Money Rock, and they did a substantial number

712
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: of new episodes, but again written and performed by all

713
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 4: the original people. But a good starting or twenty years later. Yeah,

714
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 4: and they had things like seven to fifty once a week,

715
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: which is about maintaining your budget. Yeah, Tyrannosaurs Debt which

716
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 4: is about the national debt, and plenty of others.

717
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: I remember the Tale of Mister Morton. That was another

718
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: Lynen Erond's offering.

719
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 5: What was that one about.

720
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly. I didn't go back and rewatch it,

721
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: but I remember.

722
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 5: He's like, they'll saw his money on scratch offs or something.

723
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but you know, again, the reason

724
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: why this was that it works so well is because

725
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: these were men and women who were used to selling

726
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: products for a living and it was just sort of

727
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: a natural, a natural thing for them to do. As

728
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: an ad agency, it seems weird at first when you're

729
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: like an ad agency came up with Schoolhouse Rock. It

730
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it.

731
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean they they were selling these ideas

732
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 4: to children in ways that were comprehensible to children, that

733
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: were approachable by children, and they just kind of took

734
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: the kid's point of views and packaged it for them,

735
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 4: I think is a good way to put it.

736
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So besides the Schoolhouse Rock Rocks CD, which I

737
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: still have, actually.

738
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that nineties thing created a bit of a resurgence

739
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 4: of it. Yeah, the resurgence in popularity for sure.

740
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: Boy, that Blind Melon three is the Magic Number was great? Yeah? Yeah,

741
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: Shannon hear that one. Did you like them?

742
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 5: Yeah?

743
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: I think Soup, their second album, is one of the

744
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: great underrated records of the nineties.

745
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 4: I don't recall that one, man, it was good. I

746
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 4: think I only heard their first album, but they that's

747
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 4: good too. They I think they made like the pop

748
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 4: charts right out of the gate and just kind of

749
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 4: were unfairly labeled as a pop group even though they

750
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: really weren't. They were because a lot more to them.

751
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: No rain song and the catchy video with the little

752
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: girl and everything. Yeah, yeah, Soup was good, man. You

753
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: just check that out. Oh well, it's very good, very sad.

754
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: What happened to him?

755
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 5: Hey, odeed and they didn't find him for a while, right.

756
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: I don't remember that part, but maybe I think I.

757
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 5: Think they nobody missed him for a little while or

758
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 5: something like that.

759
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: But a waste. In nineteen ninety three, though, there was

760
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: another resurgence. I guess that was before the CD when

761
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: they took it to the stage was Schoolhouse Rock Live,

762
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: which kind of started out as most great theater like

763
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 2: this in a sort of a basement black box theater

764
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: in Chicago, and it just grew from there to eventually

765
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: an off Broadway run.

766
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, not just that. It started in the basement theater

767
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 4: of a vegetarian restaurant in Chicago, just to add that

768
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 4: extra little dose to it.

769
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not?

770
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 5: But yeah, it made it onto Off Broadway.

771
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. It ran for four solid years and then they

772
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: had a touring version. I remember wanting to see it,

773
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: but and I think I was living in New Jersey

774
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: at the time. I should have gone and seen it.

775
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: I think I had no money at the time.

776
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 5: I think it's still you still might be able to

777
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 5: catch it. There's a group called the Theater Bomb Theater

778
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 5: Bam Chicago Theater.

779
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: BAM Chicago, and they're still doing shows.

780
00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 5: There's still touring.

781
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: As far as I know, I need to do my

782
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: Free to Be You and Me live show. That's one

783
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 2: of my dreams. I've talked about that before.

784
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 5: The isn't that Rosie Greer one?

785
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

786
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 5: Did he do the whole album or just that one song?

787
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 2: Just the one? It was conceived by Marlo Thomas.

788
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 5: That's pretty great.

789
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was another like that one hits me

790
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: square in the face, still from childhood, right in the

791
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: bread basket, Right in the bread basket. In ninety seven,

792
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: they had a twenty fifth anniversary package of VHS tapes.

793
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so think about this like it goes off the

794
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 5: air in nineteen eighty five, nineteen eighty five, then all

795
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 5: of a sudden three ninety four, ninety six, ninety seven,

796
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 5: there's like Schoolhouse Rock everywhere.

797
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: It will never die, no, And I think like this.

798
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: Was one of the first instances because dude, admittedly, Generation

799
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: CTS is extremely nostalgic as far as generations go, Yeah,

800
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: very nostalgic. I would propose that Schoolhouse Rock was the

801
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 4: thing that kicked it off. Oh yeah, as far as

802
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 4: gen X nostalgia goes yep.

803
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 2: Well, it definitely was something that was so drilled into

804
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: our consciousness. It gets a touchstone, right, But resurgence of it,

805
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: I think, oh yeah, is the first example of just

806
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: how nostalgic as a generation generation exis.

807
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, that's that's mine. You got Sharknado.

808
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 4: I'm predicting that that will be rooted out by historians

809
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 4: and years to come and.

810
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: Dig that one out of the vault, maybe at the

811
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: place of your death, like a plaque next to that

812
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: rope that you couldn't climb. It'll be a memorial. It'll

813
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: be like rope geez, you already forgot right. In twenty thirteen,

814
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: Kennedy Center had a sing along for their fortieth anniversary.

815
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: Two thousand people in attendance. Pretty amazing. I would have

816
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: done anything to have gone to that. And then it's

817
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: been parodied and homaged over the year and everything from

818
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: The Simpsons to Saturday Night Live.

819
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 5: Did you see Conspiracy Rock No Conspiracy Theory, Dude?

820
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: That was a TV funhouse bit right, yeah.

821
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 4: By Robert Smigel. It's one of the all time greats man.

822
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 4: He nails nails the conspiracy theory or nails The Schoolhouse Rock.

823
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 4: But it's all about how these major corporations like GE

824
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 4: and Westinghouse own the media they own like ABC, NBC,

825
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 4: all these media outlets, and how they can use it

826
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: to shape opinion and squash opinions that disagree with them

827
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 4: or their products, and choose what you report on.

828
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 5: It is so good. Go watch it right now. It's

829
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 5: on YouTube.

830
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 4: But apparently there's a bit of a conspiracy theory around

831
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 4: it as well, because it aired on the actual Saturday

832
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: Night Live episode, but then when they re ran it

833
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 4: and I think released that episode on DVD, it wasn't there.

834
00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 4: They edited it out, and supposedly it was just because

835
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 4: Lauren Michaels didn't think it was funny.

836
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 5: There's just no way. Yeah, that that's all it was.

837
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: It was so I'm thinking, no.

838
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 5: It was such a smack in the face to NBC

839
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 5: and like all the other ones.

840
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, and they just had one a couple

841
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: of years ago on that was an homage time just

842
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: a build that was pretty great too.

843
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was better. You gotta see it, man.

844
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a feeling I have and I just

845
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: don't know it.

846
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 5: He nailed it.

847
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: I'll let you know I'll text you and say I

848
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 2: have seen it, and you'll say, who's this? I don't

849
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: have your number.

850
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 4: So I actually ran across a little bit as great

851
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 4: as Schoolhouse Rock is, I actually ran across criticism of it.

852
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: What yeah, boy, are you gonna shout to leave the room?

853
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: Maybe about to get angry?

854
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 5: You might want to, all right. So they were teaching.

855
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: Very broad concepts to kids, okay, in ways that kids

856
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 4: could under stand, and when you're coming when you're coming

857
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 4: at them with multiplication or grammar whatever. But apparently especially

858
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 4: with the History Rocks or America Rock Season, depending on

859
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 4: what you want to call it, that's where the criticism

860
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: tends to come out.

861
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 5: So there's one called elbow Room. Did you remember that one?

862
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: Got got to get you some elbow room where.

863
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 4: It's about there's so many white settlers that we just

864
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 4: got to spread westward.

865
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I see where this is going.

866
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: Not a single Native American has shown in this westward spread.

867
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 4: They actually mentioned that it's God's will manifest destiny.

868
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

869
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 4: So the whole thing kind of I don't want to

870
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 4: say it came under fire because it's not like everybody's like,

871
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 4: oh yeah, elbow room forget Schoolhouse Rock. Very few people are,

872
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 4: but there's criticism of Schoolhouse Rock in that it really

873
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 4: kind of fed American children the popular line on things,

874
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 4: and it was just exactly the kind of stuff where

875
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 4: when you grow up you're like, wow, I was really misled.

876
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 4: This was first explained to me as a child.

877
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So while we talk about that a lot too,

878
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: about how schools, especially in like the seventies and eighties,

879
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: whitewashed a lot of stuff. Yeah, so this was part

880
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: of that. I can see that. I mean it was

881
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: and I'm not justifying it, but it was definitely of

882
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: the times for.

883
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 4: Sure, you know, which is why you know, I think

884
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 4: that they that these creatives were like, we can't say

885
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 4: this to kids, right, you know.

886
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 5: I think that there's definitely been more of an awakening

887
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 5: in recent years.

888
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: But I wasn't in a trail of tear song, right. Yeah.

889
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: And this is another name for what they were talking about,

890
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 4: like forced removal was turned into get you got to

891
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 4: get you some elbow root. I want to know, Chuck,

892
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 4: because I'm not in school, and I don't have a

893
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 4: child in school.

894
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 5: I don't have a child at all. Well, I have

895
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 5: a four leg good child.

896
00:45:53,360 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 4: But are they still misleading kids like they did when

897
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: we were young? Do we just assume now that we

898
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 4: know the deal that they don't do that any longer?

899
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 4: Or are they still doing it? So any history teachers

900
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: out there that are like fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade,

901
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 4: because that's what I remember really being just overtly lied to.

902
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 4: And then as we got a little past that, they

903
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: started to be like, well maybe the Native Americans didn't

904
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 4: really want to leave, right, and then it just got

905
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 4: a little more legitimate. So I want to know teachers

906
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 4: out there let us know.

907
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: I bet the answer will get is that we've come

908
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: a long way, and it probably depends on your district.

909
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and maybe even your teacher.

910
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see that.

911
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: I bet there's not like a one sweeping answer for

912
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: that one, but there's definitely been progress.

913
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 5: You know, I would guess. Yeah, who'd let us know

914
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 5: is Tyler Murphy?

915
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Murphy would let us know. Well, I know what

916
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: he's doing. He's doing all the right things.

917
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's up on the desk. Yeah yeah, opening minds,

918
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 4: great stuff.

919
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: So you ready for my favorite? Yes?

920
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 5: Please?

921
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: Rufus Xavier Sasparilla. What was that one about pronouns. Oh yeah,

922
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: I have a hard time expressing how much joy this

923
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: song brings me. Still, I listen to it a lot

924
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: if I'm ever down. That's the song that's pretty great.

925
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's the word play is unbelievable. And it's

926
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: another Sheldon song, like how it's it's very fast? How

927
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 2: he like every I looked up to see if people

928
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: did it live and stuff, and everyone always slows it

929
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: down because nobody can.

930
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 5: Oh is that fast?

931
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's just very complex, And the whole idea of

932
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: the song is is the complexity of all these nouns

933
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: that you can replace with pronouns. I got a friend

934
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: named Rufus Xavier Sasparilla, and you know, they go to

935
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: the zoo and there's an ardvark in an armadillo and

936
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: all these big words. He's like, I could say that,

937
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: or could say he did this and we did that

938
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: and she said this nice. Yeah, it's a word that

939
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: takes the place of a noun like kangaroo.

940
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 5: Can we play it?

941
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 2: You know what? We wouldn't because of law. They should

942
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: make a actually one about copyright infringement.

943
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 5: It was sorted out as a bill.

944
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we probably can't play enough of it to

945
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: do with justice. So I just say go and listen

946
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: to that song in full, because it's delightful.

947
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 5: All right, I'll do that.

948
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 4: Man.

949
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: They go to the zoo, there's animals, they'll pile on

950
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: a bus. They yeah, this girl and Rufus Xavier's Asperrilla.

951
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 5: They yeah, exactly.

952
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: It takes a place for it.

953
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 5: Now you got anything else?

954
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: No, but there probably will be a tag on this

955
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: one with mister and Astanovich, or or with me just

956
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: recounting his tale of No More Kings.

957
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 4: So if you want to know more about Schoolhouse Rock,

958
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 4: go read this article on HowStuffWorks dot com. And since

959
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: I said that, it may be time for listener mail

960
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 4: with Bob Nistanovich.

961
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: All right, So now, as promised or as fully promised,

962
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 2: we have via telephone in the studio mister Bob Nistanovich,

963
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: who is actually a member of two of my favorite

964
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: bands of all time, both Pavement and Silver Jews. And

965
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: it's a real treat to have you here, Bob. We

966
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: did a show on Schoolhouse Rock and talked kind of

967
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: at length about pavements efforts towards that I guess late

968
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: nineties CD and got in touch with you, and you

969
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: said you had a couple of stories to tell.

970
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 6: It was a We were in Memphis, we were supposed

971
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 6: to be making a Silver Jews record, and the singer

972
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 6: of Silver Jews, David Berman, who decided he did not

973
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 6: want to make the record and he went home, and

974
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 6: we'd already booked a week of studio time Silver Jews

975
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 6: had and then subsequently were Steven and myself and Steve

976
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 6: West were unceremoniously fired from Silver Juice. That's beside the point.

977
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 6: We were kind of like at all the studio time

978
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 6: that David was supposed to pay for, sort of bail

979
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 6: him out, pavements, sort of took that and made a record.

980
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 6: So Stephen Stephen thankfully had three songs and we made

981
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 6: a specific trimy p But I guess most significantly in

982
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 6: regards to this project, Jackie Ferriot, dear friend of ours,

983
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 6: was supervising the Schoolhouse Rock oblation, and she gave us

984
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 6: our choice of songs, and it was fairly obvious to

985
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 6: us that No More Kings, you know, had a lot

986
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 6: of appeal. It's always our favorite one. We were kids

987
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 6: Boston tea party theme kind of we were able to

988
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 6: use the vocal stylings of Steve West to our advantage,

989
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 6: I believe, for the first time in band history for

990
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 6: that song, and it all turned out to be. We

991
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 6: were very pleased with it. In fact, we're very pleased

992
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 6: with all of it, and I think that it's an

993
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 6: outstanding compilation and it's one of those things in Pavements

994
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 6: time that I feel like we actually did a good

995
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 6: job on.

996
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: Now, what what did Steve West do for that one?

997
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 6: He played drums and then all the deep voice rambling

998
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 6: in the background. Ah, mostly him. He's got an incredible

999
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 6: voice speaking voice. He's one of the people that you

1000
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 6: can hear from one hundred and fifty feet away with

1001
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 6: a win. We've got a beautiful deep voice. So he's

1002
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 6: doing all like the ranting and raving. It was all

1003
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 6: pretty jubilant. We had a good time. It was the

1004
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 6: only time the three of us ever recorded together ass Pavement,

1005
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 6: and I feel like we made a good choice and

1006
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 6: we just loved that song.

1007
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: It was one take, oh really.

1008
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 6: Overdub yeah, one take on the instrumental and just some

1009
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 6: vocal dubbing. Probably took eight minutes, wow, And it was

1010
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 6: just the three of you. Oh yeah, yeah, just the

1011
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 6: three of us were the only ones there because we

1012
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 6: thought it was gonna be Silver Chews and Silver Cheese,

1013
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 6: so Camber again Eye Bowled were at home and I

1014
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 6: don't even know if they were contacted. We made that

1015
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 6: specific trim EP that song Give It a Day during

1016
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 6: the same session, and a couple other songs are on

1017
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 6: the B side of that thing. But now the School

1018
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 6: ass Rock was this kind of thing popping in mind, like, well,

1019
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 6: do we have anything to do and seems like I

1020
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 6: got this one song. It's like, well, we have to

1021
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 6: do this thing for Jackie. We have to do this

1022
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 6: thing for Jackie. We probably sort of planning on doing

1023
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 6: it anyways. But Jackie at the time was a VJ

1024
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 6: at MTV and she later became our So she was

1025
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 6: the nanny for Courtney and Kurt, for Francis Bean Cobain,

1026
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 6: and then she was a tour manager for payment. In fact,

1027
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 6: she has she's been battling cancer for over a decade.

1028
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 6: But one interesting artifact that she owns is the actual

1029
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 6: cardigan Cardigan's button up cardigan sweater that Kurt Cobain wore

1030
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 6: in the famous MTV Unplugged performance.

1031
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: Holy Cow.

1032
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 6: So yeah, she's quite a character, but it was it

1033
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 6: was her project, and you know, she was a good

1034
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 6: friend and we want to do the best we could

1035
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 6: for her. I didn't really care about anything else. We

1036
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 6: didn't even really we didn't know whether there was a

1037
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 6: good tiny thing like a limited edition of like two

1038
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 6: hundred or whatever. But yeah, funnily enough, my wife, that

1039
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,479
Speaker 6: was the first Payment song she ever heard because her sister,

1040
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 6: Oh really, yeah, her sister bought the school Loss rock

1041
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 6: thing when her sister was like fourteen, and my wife

1042
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 6: went would have been about ten, and she heard that.

1043
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 6: It's the first time she ever heard Payment.

1044
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny.

1045
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 6: So yeah, she likes it.

1046
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: We were talking a little bit about just your take

1047
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: and kind of just the different takes of all the

1048
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: artists on that compilation, and a lot of them were

1049
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: pretty straightforward, and I think I really like the Pavement

1050
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 2: one the most because it was, uh, it was kind

1051
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: of the perfect mix of very straightforward at times and

1052
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: then just totally pavement pavementized at times.

1053
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very we don't I mean we straightforward. I

1054
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 6: don't think we're kind of good enough to do things straightforward.

1055
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 6: Like I think it's like you think of like a

1056
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 6: band like Nickel Creek covering our song spitting on a stranger.

1057
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 6: They can and they kind of American at it or whatever.

1058
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 6: But sure like in order to do like straight things,

1059
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 6: you gotta be you gotta be good or else you're

1060
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 6: going to come of humiliate yourself. Like for example, like

1061
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 6: r Em doing like Pylon's Crazy. They could do that

1062
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 6: pretty straight, right because they have that sound, so they

1063
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 6: just you know, but I think that, like I've heard

1064
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 6: a lot of cover songs where it's like a great

1065
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 6: song and like a somebody with a great voice, you know,

1066
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 6: usually like a female will we'll sing it pretty straight.

1067
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 6: And just the fact that it's a somebody with a

1068
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 6: gorgeous voice, you know, bring a class. It sort of works.

1069
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 6: But now we're none of us are none of us

1070
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 6: are good enough to do that. We had to we

1071
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 6: had to devise our own take on it.

1072
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 3: You know.

1073
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: Well, I thought it totally worked. Was the Schoolhouse Rock?

1074
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 2: I mean, was that something that you guys were into

1075
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: or was there much decision? I mean, besides the fact

1076
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: that it was your friend asking was it something that

1077
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 2: you thought was kind of cool or did you feel

1078
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: like you should do it?

1079
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought it was a great idea. At the time,

1080
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 6: we thought it was a great idea, and at that

1081
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 6: point in our lives, I'm guessing it was like ninety six,

1082
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 6: ninety seven somewhere in there. Yeah, yeah, we've forgotten, you know,

1083
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 6: you like that point where you know that we hadn't

1084
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 6: seen or heard any of that. The only one I

1085
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 6: could really remember off the top of my head at

1086
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 6: the time was that conjunction Junction you know, yeah, of course,

1087
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 6: what's your function? But like you know, those are some

1088
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 6: of the first songs when we were a little kids,

1089
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 6: like under ten years old that got stuck in our head. Yeah,

1090
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 6: because so yeah, I just thought it was I mean,

1091
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 6: if anything, I the only negative. I thought it might

1092
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 6: be a little bit childish and corny. But you know,

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00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 6: the as that came together, it just seemed like a

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00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 6: very worthwhile to me. And you know, she was pretty

1095
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 6: earnest Jackie, and and I'm happy it all worked out.

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Speaker 6: I kind of I think it's actually become like sort

1097
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 6: of a one of the more significant things that Pavement

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00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 6: ever did, sort of outside the realm of Pavement.

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00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I'll.

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Speaker 6: Still being Pavement, Like you know, I don't even know.

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00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 6: I'm the kind of person in regards to that band

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00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 6: that would find out about things to last. So I

1103
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 6: lived in Louisville, and I was always at the racetrack,

1104
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 6: and and you know, people would say, hey, you know what,

1105
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 6: you're going to be making a new album like two months.

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00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 6: I wouldn't have anything about her, Like you know, you're

1107
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 6: going on tour, You're starting in London, I would like

1108
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 6: you know, I just wouldn't even know. And like so

1109
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 6: anything that rolled through the door there, like request to

1110
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 6: do stuff, I never knew about him, you know, unless

1111
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 6: you were gonna do them, you know. So right, you

1112
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 6: can see where I was on the Pavement, the Pavement

1113
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 6: Totem poll.

1114
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: Well man, I always call you Pavement's secret weapon.

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00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, yeah.

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00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: I think there was something about your addition to the

1117
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 2: band that really just sort of mixed everything up. Whether

1118
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: it was you know, the percussive elements, are just you

1119
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: coming in with your your unique take on backing vocals.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I I think I presented the element really

1121
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 6: not entirely knowing what I was doing, and that was true.

1122
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 6: And the funny thing about it is like, even at

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00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 6: this point in my life and people who are completely

1124
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 6: unaware of Pavement mostly from this industry, the horse racing industry.

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00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 6: Like heard I was I was in a band, even

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00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 6: a successful band that can't even they just doesn't make

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00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 6: any sense to them. And then they'll also, you know,

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00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 6: they'll have to like look it up on Google or

1129
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 6: whatever to realize that, yeah, we were actually like a

1130
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 6: band that made records and stuff. And then and then

1131
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 6: the funny thing is he'll always ask me to you know,

1132
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 6: if it's musotypes or something. I'm like, one thing I'm

1133
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 6: really sort of unaware of in the human race. I

1134
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 6: have no feel for people that like kind of collect

1135
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 6: musical gear and take music really really seriously and like

1136
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 6: playing music really seriously and like jam and like or

1137
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 6: just really like have this incredibly dry approach to like

1138
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 6: like gear heads who like are really really serious and

1139
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 6: like people ask me to jam and I don't. I

1140
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 6: mean my idea of I don't. I don't jam. I

1141
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 6: mean I can't imagine jamming, Like what does that even mean?

1142
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 6: Like really awkward, Like it's always awkward, Like people ask

1143
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 6: me to do something and then I'll be like, oh, man,

1144
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 6: like uh, you know, like I got to figure out

1145
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 6: a way to get out of this, you know, because

1146
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 6: like a my skills, Like they're not going to really

1147
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 6: not gonna believe them in a band, Like once I

1148
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 6: show up with like whatever, I have two drums or

1149
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 6: whatever and start hitting and they're gonna be like, there's

1150
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 6: no way this guy was in a band, Like this

1151
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 6: is a fake, you know, so very strange, very strange.

1152
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: Well you just got to say, now, man, I'm the

1153
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: secret weapon, and the secret weapon.

1154
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 6: Doesn't m yeah, like this like the spice and like

1155
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 6: some sort of bowl of brigo or something. I don't

1156
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 6: even know. It was just like the whole experience was

1157
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 6: pretty magical. It still doesn't really make that much sense

1158
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 6: to me, you know, Yeah, I just I really enjoyed

1159
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 6: it for sure. But in regards to that specific project,

1160
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 6: that's something that went like really smoothly, like it never

1161
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 6: got to the point. I mean it was literally like Stephen,

1162
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,959
Speaker 6: I'm sure probably worked on it that morning or something.

1163
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 6: But when when they press record on that School as

1164
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 6: Rock thing, that thing was a humdinger. It was in

1165
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 6: and out the door, Doug Easy. It's like that's good,

1166
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 6: you know, like, yeah, that's.

1167
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: Probably a good approach for something like that because you

1168
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: don't want to overthink it. And then it becomes a

1169
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 2: thing and it's stressful perhaps, so I think that approach

1170
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: to just get in there and like knock it out

1171
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: was probably the way to go. It certainly worked out

1172
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:11,959
Speaker 2: in this case.

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01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's a song that has no history within

1174
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 6: the context of the band. You know, it's not like

1175
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 6: something that we've been working on or something that have

1176
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 6: been sitting there, or something that have been played live

1177
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 6: or Yeah, you know, I mean I think that we

1178
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 6: had to you know, pavementize it and give it a

1179
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 6: bit of an original spin because that's the only way

1180
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 6: that we can really do it. I mean, like, you know,

1181
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 6: like we were talking about with a straight thing, you know,

1182
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 6: you can't. You got to have significance. Yeah, not that like,

1183
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 6: you know, Steve and Steve West aren't talented. I'm not

1184
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 6: gonna like those guys are great, but like in fact,

1185
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 6: the fact they're able to like throw improvise right something

1186
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 6: like that's pretty cool. So but I remember being really

1187
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 6: really happy that Steve West, who never really been used

1188
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 6: in Pavement outside of just playing drums, that he was

1189
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 6: that he sort of fit fantastically on that, Yeah, that recording.

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01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 6: So I sort of love that about No Markings. I

1191
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 6: love hearing him in there.

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Speaker 2: Nice all right, Well, thanks, Bob. I appreciate your telling

1193
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 2: us these stories, and I'm going to think of about

1194
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: one hundred more reasons to have you on in the future.

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01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, anytime.

1196
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to call this one sad yet happy email.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, my name is Sam. I want to send

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01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: you an email thanking you for your show. The podcast

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Speaker 2: is actually a rediscovery for me. My dad used to

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01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 2: play it back in two thousand and nine and we

1201
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: would drive up to the mountain to go skiing. Very

1202
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 2: fond memories of laughing and nerding out with my dad

1203
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: and brothers after a great day on the slopes. Can't

1204
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: believe you guys are still going strong after eight plus years.

1205
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: There is a little more to my rediscovery of your show, though,

1206
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: that I wanted to share. It's been four and a

1207
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 2: half years since one of my brothers, who was an

1208
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: amazing skier, died tragically to suicide. Since I was in

1209
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 2: college at the time, it didn't have enough time to

1210
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: properly grieve. Recently, I've been mulling through many painful memories

1211
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: that I ignored in those first three years. However, your

1212
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 2: show unexpectedly brought back really happy ones. It is reminded

1213
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 2: me the fun adventure in learning our family enjoyed while

1214
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 2: listening to your show when we are skiing. I remember

1215
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: laughing hysterically with my family your jokes, rolling my eyes

1216
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: when my brothers and dad would try to comment on

1217
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: your show to sound smart because it was so creepy.

1218
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: One of your favorite episodes of ours was the one

1219
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 2: on cannibalism. Being a high schooler at the time, I

1220
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 2: also really liked the show on flirting, so I thought

1221
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: I could put it into practice. Needless to say, it

1222
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: didn't really work. What This month, I went home for

1223
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 2: a week to visit my parents, and I went skiing

1224
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 2: with my mom and dad for the first time since

1225
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 2: my brother died. It was very painful, but also unimaginably special.

1226
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: When my family and I are on the mountain, I

1227
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: feel like I can encounter my brother as he was.

1228
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: He was healthy and full of life. I could picture

1229
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 2: him diving down a slope that was way too steep

1230
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: with the most enormous grin on his eager face. All

1231
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: in all, it was a great day. So I just

1232
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: want to say thank you with the hard work and

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01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 2: providing interesting topics to fill my time. Making me laugh,

1234
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 2: but also inadvertently helping me cherish a special time in

1235
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 2: my life. Man, guys, heavy that is from Sam and

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01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 2: she sends hugs.

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Speaker 4: Sam, that is fantastic. Very thank you very much for

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01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 4: letting us know. We appreciate that and our best to

1239
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 4: your whole family.

1240
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1241
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 4: If you want to get in touch with this like

1242
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 4: Sam did and just lay one honest, we appreciate it.

1243
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 4: Lay it honest, send us an email to Stuff podcast

1244
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 4: at iHeartRadio dot com.

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01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,440
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01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,680
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