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Speaker 1: and then opening came up that they needed a head coach,

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00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 1: so I was. I did have some experience coming out

431
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 1: of college helped out a little bit, so I was

432
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 1: offered a position. And the very first, very first time

433
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 1: I saw him play, he was a little bit. Tony

434
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,199
Speaker 1: was an unskilled kid at that age at sixteen, but

435
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 1: you could tell that he just was a little bit

436
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 1: different than the other kids. You know, you talk about

437
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 1: him being an unskilled player at that time, but he

438
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 1: was obviously he had to be a tremendous athlete. How

439
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,360
Speaker 1: hard did he work on his basketball skills while also

440
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: being a big time quarterback? Well, I think when you

441
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: look at somebody like he was just a tony I

442
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 1: he was a gym rat. He just like to play. Um,

443
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he would, you know, in this day

444
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 1: and age, I think it's hard to find those kids

445
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 1: that just want to play. And that's what he did.

446
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 1: He just played everything, um in in his play made

447
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 1: That's where his skill came from. So just would find games,

448
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: would would go and compete on the golf course with

449
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: his dad, and that's where the skill came with just

450
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 1: playing at that age. Um. You know, nowadays, I think

451
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 1: it would be pretty hard to pressed to find that

452
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 1: because there's so much skill availability. You can train so

453
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 1: much more regularly now and that just wasn't the case

454
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: in the in the nineties. But his skill came in

455
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: a different way. Coach, We've all heard about his uh

456
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: his basketball exploits at the high school level. So you

457
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: talk about where what you when you first saw him,

458
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: where his skill level was by the time he left

459
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: the program. What type of advancements had he made in

460
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: his game, and was he a legitimate, you know, college

461
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: caliber basketball player. Yeah, he he he was very under

462
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 1: the radar his sophomore junior year. He only averaged about

463
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 1: fifteen a game, but he was a stat filler. Um,

464
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: he just kind of did what needed to be done.

465
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: If he needed to to drop twenty, he dropped twenty.

466
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 1: But he was in terms of us, you know, just

467
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: a load of the stats. Every every game, he would

468
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: have his six assist because of his great hands, he

469
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: would have his great eyes, his five or six deals

470
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 1: with his great hands. And then obviously it was just

471
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: he was just so consistent every game his senior year

472
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 1: as when he turned it up a notch, we did

473
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: get moved to a bigger conference, um, and his his

474
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: play had to be increased and he just took it

475
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: to a different level. He averaged almost twenty five points

476
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: a game that year. Um, with being again really good

477
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 1: in all those other areas against better people. Um, you know,

478
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: and then he had some people that that came in

479
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: late his senior year. Um, you know, some of the

480
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: mid majors that that that we're interested, But at that time,

481
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: he had already committed to football at the end of

482
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: his his his playing in the fall, so they knew

483
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: that he was committed to Eastern at the time. But

484
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: I think they're hoping that maybe he would change his

485
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 1: mind a little bit. You know, a coach, you kind

486
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: of have a what I call an old school perspective

487
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 1: on how multi sport athletes used to be because you

488
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: you coached on the basketball team, but you also helped

489
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: out with the football squad. Um nanty. We we think

490
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: about Romo, how much did football help his basketball and

491
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: basketball help his football? How how did he benefit from

492
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: being a multi sport athlete. Yeah, I think when we

493
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: talk about multi sport a lot in high school, as

494
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: a high school coaches, we talked about that a lot.

495
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: But there's there's a little bit of difference between being

496
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 1: a multi sport because you have to there's a lot

497
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: of these sports there's they're so skilled based now and

498
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's track, you still have you know,

499
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: running technique and explosion and you're talking about power and

500
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: you go that to a ball sport, you're still having

501
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: to work on those those skill driven activities. That's where

502
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: I think he took it to a different level as

503
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: he progressed into college and beyond is he took those

504
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: skills and then he mastered the skills um And those

505
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: are conversations that I that I had with him, is

506
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: is if you want to be good, you got to

507
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: get better. So he improved his jump shot, he improved

508
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: his three point percentage, He became a better shooter where

509
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 1: before he was just a score and he improved on

510
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: that from his junior to senior year. And then if

511
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: you you don't see obviously it's pretty well documented his

512
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: progress that he made in the in the football aspect

513
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: of it, based on his decision that, Okay, I want

514
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: to learn how to throw the football the best I

515
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: can coach. We were trying to, you know, really put

516
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: together what the what the meaning is with so many

517
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: of these professional quarterbacks having background on the basketball court,

518
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: and we've heard different theories. You talk about the vision,

519
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: the competitiveness, the athleticism. Uh, you know, what is it

520
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 1: if you're going to try and to find that one

521
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: thing I haven't coached in both those arenas and seen

522
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: somebody do it at a high level. What is that

523
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: carry over that we see from the quarterbacks that have

524
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: the basketball background. Well, I I don't, I think, and

525
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: and me, I'm not an NFL guy. I've obviously or

526
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: an NBA guy. But there's that factor two that you

527
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: you just have something that others don't. I think not.

528
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: Not any of us can just walk in and if

529
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: we work hard enough, you know, hit a ninety eight

530
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: pur fastball and be able to keep our hands back

531
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: on a slider. It just you have a gift. And

532
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: there's some gifts that that they've been given. It's do

533
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: they take those gifts then and take them to a

534
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: different level? And I guess that's what I find intriguing

535
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: about Tony is he kind of decides that he wants

536
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: to be good at something and then he goes after it.

537
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: And that happened with a football aspect and now being

538
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 1: able to spend some time with him and you know

539
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: some of the golf talk he's doing. The identical approach

540
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: in golf is uh, you know, I'm just going to

541
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: master every part of that craft to see where I

542
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: can get it in football. Obviously end up having him

543
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: um the ability to be an All Pro quarterback and

544
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: I think golf is kind of sitting there waiting to

545
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: see where that that ceiling could be. You know, coach

546
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: because of your new un perspective coaching Tony, and haven't

547
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: seen it like where a guy is able to develop

548
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: in both sports. Uh. Something that you said kind of

549
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: stuck out to me and we kind of like to

550
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: educate listeners. You talked about sports now are more skill

551
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: based than they were in the nineties, where people are

552
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: spending more time training on individual skills, and so it's

553
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: harder for multi sport guys to kind of develop and

554
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: catch up. So if you have a kid who wants

555
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: to be a multi sport kid, how can you best

556
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: help them be really good in both sports When you're

557
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: saying everything is so skill based and you only have

558
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: a limited amount of time. Yeah, ironically, I have those

559
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: conversations in my own household. Um, you know you talk

560
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: about you know, with my kids and the kids that

561
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: I coach. Um, if you're not blessed with that athletic

562
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: ability or that ability just to step on the floor

563
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: and just be better than everybody. And there's some people

564
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 1: like that that they don't have to necessarily work at it,

565
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: but the bar has been raised so much with how

566
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: good are athletes are and that they're they're better at

567
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: a young age and a young age, and you can

568
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: blame that on that there is some specialization and that specialization,

569
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: you know, might have caused that bar to to maybe

570
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: go a little bit higher. Um. But that's kind of

571
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: what what we talk about as high school level coaches

572
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: is that you still can be good at multiple things.

573
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: You might have to work a little bit harder. There

574
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: might have to be a little bit more you know,

575
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: put into you know, those particular skill development sports, but

576
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: you still can do it. I find it hard that

577
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: that if you weren't blessed with great athletic ability. I

578
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: do think it's hard to be a three and a

579
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: four sport athlete. I have just have to be quite honest, um.

580
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: But those kids that have a a desire and a

581
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: will um, and then they can have good time management

582
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: skills and they have parents that can help them out

583
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: with that, I think they they learned that they can

584
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: be pretty special in multiple ways. Coach, last question for me,

585
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: and I do appreciate your time today, but um, one

586
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: of of things, a lot of these great players that

587
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: we get a chance to scout each and every year

588
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: as they come into the draft, they have in common

589
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: as they face some sort of adversity, whether it's in

590
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: their personal life, whether it's in their playing career, but

591
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: they've had adversity set in front of them and they've

592
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: been able to overcome it. Is there any story or

593
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: any reference there on Tony on on some of the

594
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: adversity he might have had in his playing career. Well,

595
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: I think his adversity started just as kind of a

596
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: no name recruit, um, you know, only going on partial scholarship.

597
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, it started there, just you know, and

598
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: I think that spring was a springboard for him to say,

599
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: you know what, Okay, nothing's going to be given to me. Um,

600
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: you know. And if you go in again, you go

601
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: back and look at the conversations that took place that

602
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: they weren't even sure at the college level that he

603
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: could be a college quarterback. Um. So part of the

604
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: adversity I think with people is just deciding that I

605
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: want to be good at this, I want to excel

606
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: at this. And if you translate that to high school

607
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: and college that we have conversations with our athletes, that's

608
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: really what what what those conversations are is what do

609
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: you want to be good at? And if you have

610
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: a passion for that and there's an interest at being better,

611
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: and then you have some sort of you know, some

612
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: sort of an internal um push. You know, that intrinsic

613
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: motivation could take kids a long way. UM, but if

614
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: you don't have that intrinsic motivation and you know, you

615
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: find kids that are just doing it for the wrong ways.

616
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: I just I just think that that they just hit

617
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: a wall. And Tony was just that person that he

618
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: was never gonna, you know, hit the wall. He was

619
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: just going to prove it to himself that until I'm

620
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: told I can't do this, um, I'm gonna I'm just

621
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: gonna go for it. And I just the guy kind

622
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: of amazes me. He does it and everything that he

623
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: that he has involved in, everything that he's participated in, Um,

624
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: he you know, and obviously he's got some opportunities now

625
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: in some of the Gulf world that some of us

626
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: might not have. UM. But it's that decision making that

627
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: I am going to be great at this, and UM,

628
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: I think that just overcame any adversity that would have

629
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: been in his way. Well that's awesome. I can't thank you.

630
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Enough for taking some time for today, I said, last question,

631
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: I do have one more? What period or we all

632
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: keep it coming. I love how much school day we

633
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: got left here. I got wet today. My kids, My

634
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: kids are something. This is great. I love it. I

635
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: love it. Do you teach anything there at the school? Um,

636
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm actually a school counselor, so I was a math

637
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: teacher for the time, and as a counselor, I I

638
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, it fulfills my day. I just met with,

639
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred and twenty kids about decision making

640
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: and making goals, and you know, it's like it's kind

641
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: of quite honestly, it's it's kind of a coaching every

642
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: single aspect of my day. It's just just coaching in

643
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: a different way. I love it. It's awesome. I love it.

644
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: Get a chance to be a mentor of those kids,

645
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: that's a big time. Yeah, it's fantastic. Hey, we do

646
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: appreciate it, man, I know you've got a lot going

647
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: on there. It's been a great. It's been great to

648
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: catch up. We're doing an episode where we're kind of

649
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: tying in just the basketball world with the football world

650
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: as the NBA season launches. So we had Tom crean

651
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: on you know obviously with with with his connections in

652
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: the football world with the hardballs, being in that family,

653
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: and he was great. And then we were trying to

654
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: find somebody that could really tap into some of these

655
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: football players that were great basketball players and you were.

656
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: You were perfect. So we appreciate your time. Yeah, you know.

657
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: The one more thing one comment that they did a

658
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: little piece on Wisconsin football and we have a lot

659
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: of our athletes in Wisconsin because the weather, um kind

660
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: of dictates that, you know, you kind of shut down

661
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: in the winter. UM. Wisconsin football has an obviously a

662
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of guys that that play basketball and state

663
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin UM. And Joe Thomas kind of started that

664
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: from alignment and he was, you know, a true multi

665
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: sport guy as well, UM that just excelled in all areas.

666
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: So they did a nice piece on that. So I'm

667
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: glad that it's it's it's it's coming. It's something that we,

668
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: like I said, talk about with our athletes quite a

669
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: bit that you can be successful and multiple things. And

670
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys letting me talk about it. That

671
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: was great. Thank you so much. You have a great day. Absolutely, guys,

672
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: thank you. But I thought the interesting thing learned that

673
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: conversation was just learning how the growth for Tony Romo,

674
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: how it took place to what he was as a

675
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: young basketball player and how he improved his game and

676
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: and what he emerged as later on in his career.

677
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a lesson you can take, you know,

678
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: for a young players development. When you're scouting players for

679
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: the NFL and you can see a track record of improvement,

680
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: that's often a good sign. Yeah, I think it is

681
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: often a good side. And I think the big thing

682
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to Tony Romo, Tony Romo really kind

683
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: of just digging into the details of whatever it is

684
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: here was pursuing um. He talked about obviously in basketball,

685
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: how he kind of leaning on his athleticism, worked on

686
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: improving the shot of eventually eventually became a deadly score

687
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: for the team. But he also mentioned how Tony Romo

688
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: has approached this golf endeavor and how he just kind

689
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: of diggs into the details, puts a lot of time

690
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: in and I think the common denominated that we've seen

691
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: between both of these interviews, they talked about players who

692
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: develop in players who become great put a lot of

693
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: time in and I think that is the thing that

694
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking for when I'm looking at a player as

695
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: a scout, I'm looking to see, does he have the

696
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: work ethic to kind of push himself to be even

697
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: better than he thinks he can be? Come. Uh, the

698
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: work ethic is essential to being a great player. No,

699
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: I think that carries over in any sport. And um,

700
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: it's great to catch up with him, appreciate his time.

701
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: All right. We had a chance recently to catch up

702
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: with melt Tucker, and we've asked this to every college

703
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: coach we've had on the show. Now, melt Tucker is

704
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: head coach University Colorado, but spent a lot of time

705
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio. Really was a part of

706
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: that early Ohio state championship team there with with coach Tressel,

707
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: recruiting a lot of those players, and knows the recruiting

708
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: game as well as anybody been at Alabama's been at Georgia.

709
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: Now finds himself as a head coach in Colorado. So

710
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: we asked him, who's the best high school football player

711
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: you've ever seen? And he offered a quite an interesting answer.

712
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: I actually saw Lebron um at at st V play football,

713
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: played football before he stopped playing football. This was like

714
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: sophomore tape. He was annihilating people out there. But um,

715
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: he looks what looked like Yeah, I mean he looked

716
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: like a like a giant, you know, a man amongst

717
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: boys that you know it would terrorize. He was a

718
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: wide receiver, right, Yeah. I saw him actually playing some

719
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: playing some defense too. I remember playing him playing some safety,

720
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: So I mean that's hold up, he wasn't on the

721
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: last he was playing safety. I saw him out there

722
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: running around. I mean, and uh, that that was you know,

723
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: that was interesting the secret We all knew who he was,

724
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know, was this guy. How

725
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: long is this guy you're gonna play? You know? So

726
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: we didn't even really watch the hotel. Yeah, Buck, this

727
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: kind of got my wheels kind of churning here when

728
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: we started, uh hearing those stories about Lebron James and

729
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: what he was like from from coach mel Tucker, and um,

730
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: it got us thinking a little bit, we need to

731
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: dig a little deeper here. We got to go talk

732
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: to somebody else as well, and uh that that's exactly

733
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: what we ended up doing. I just wish I would

734
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: love to have played with Lebron James because my accuracy

735
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: could be a little spotty, and uh, I think he'd

736
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: he'd helped me out a little bit. I mean, I

737
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: think anytime you get an opportunity at a big body

738
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: playmaker who can uh make those fifty fifty catches look routine,

739
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: you definitely like to have those guys of the man

740
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: of factor. Lebron James was a two time All state

741
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: wide receiver as a sophomore in junior. Uh only gives

742
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: you like a little peak, a glimpse at what they

743
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: were working with when he was in high school. Well,

744
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: coach Tucker got us thinking. So thanks to our booking staff,

745
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: they're led by David Singer, and we did a reached out.

746
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: We had to do a little homemark, and we reached

747
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: out and we found him. We found Jim Meyer, who

748
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: was Lebron James head football coach at St. Vincent St.

749
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: Mary for his freshman and sophomore season. So we want

750
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 1: to learn a little bit more about Lebron James football player.

751
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: We know about him as the All World basketball player,

752
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: the King, but we wanted to learn more about what

753
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: he was like on the grass. So here's our conversation

754
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: with Lebron James high school football coach Jim Meyer. Well, coach,

755
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: we appreciate you taking some time for us today. I guess, uh,

756
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: my first question would be about Lebron James. When was

757
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: the first time you'd heard of him or heard about

758
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: this kid that was kind of coming up through the

759
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: system you might get a chance to coach. Well. When

760
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: we hired Keith dan Brod, Lebron was in eighth grade

761
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: at the time, Keith had mentioned something about having a

762
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: special kid. Uh, of course, you a lot of coaches

763
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: say that about players. And then, uh, we kept that

764
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: in mind as he came out campus to ninth grade.

765
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: Luckily for US, coach Damber allowed him to play football

766
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: as a freshman along with his buddies she On and

767
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: Willy and others. Once we saw him on the field, now,

768
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: he was not as big as he is now. I

769
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: think he may have been six four, but the talent

770
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: was there. I mean he he started off as a

771
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: ninth grader practicing and learning the game because I don't

772
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: think he played organized football before that time, so he

773
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: was kind of getting used to the game and quickly

774
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: on it. And then as he got to play ninth

775
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: grade ball. Eli took a couple of games. Then he

776
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: was playing uh dav ball. That just took a couple

777
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: of games. And then we finally figured it out that

778
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: we had somebody special. You know, wise it's so funny

779
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: and thinking about the special nature and the special abilities.

780
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he made All State at wide receiver back

781
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 1: to back years as a sophomore in junior. I'm looking

782
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: at these stats as a sophomore forty two catches, seven yards,

783
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: eleven touchdowns. As a senior fifty seven eleven sixty yards

784
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: and sixteen touchdowns. Because Lebron James had to be a

785
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: really really good football player. What made him so special

786
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: in the gridiron? When you look out there and I've

787
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: told our quarterbacks and my offense at the time was

788
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: pretty wide open compared to what it is then now

789
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be. And I said, we got a six

790
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: ft six guy out there, card being covered by a

791
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: five ft eight guy, throw it to him. Uh So,

792
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: so we would throw it to him and uh But

793
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: other than just the amount of catches and that he had,

794
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: some of the receptions he had were phenomenal. One time,

795
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: his kid defensive backus Indians. I thought he had to

796
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: pick le Bron came up behind jump and got the

797
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: ball and looked down on him and it was a touch.

798
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: And those kind of catches you can't you can't coach,

799
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: and uh, it was fun to watch him develop as

800
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Now, we tried a dB and we

801
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: didn't want to do that because I think that would

802
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: have been a situation where he might have got hurt. Again,

803
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: picking up wide receivers a lot easier than trying to

804
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: figure out coverages things like that. He just got open

805
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: and throw the ball to Lebron. Coach, I'd love to

806
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: know what the communication was between you and the basketball

807
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: coaches as there. You know, I guess I would use

808
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: the word allowing this to happen for a young Lebron James.

809
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: I would love to know what those conversations were like

810
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: there in the process and when was the decision made. Okay,

811
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: we think we're good with him with football, Let's let's

812
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: get him back to basketball. Keep him there again. I'll

813
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: give Keith Damn brought the credit. I really felt that

814
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: his intention for those guys to play football was to

815
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: get that football mentality more of a teamwork effort. And

816
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's not a team or effort in

817
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: basketball and getting wrong. I think it's a different type.

818
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: You're there in the dirt, you're there in the grind,

819
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: you're there with the helmet, shoulder paths, you're there in

820
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: the crowd on a Friday night. He really believed that.

821
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: I think that would carry over to his basketball program,

822
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: and that's why he let it happen. You know, coach,

823
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: we had a time where so many kids are specializing,

824
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: they're opting for one sport. Um, it sounds like you're

825
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: a believer in multi sports, being able to participate in

826
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: multiple sports. What are some of the advantages that kids

827
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: can gain from playing in more than just one sport.

828
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: My opinion is that kids aren't fully developed in high

829
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: school getting to move around and moving their bodies and

830
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: getting some kind of muscular exercise in different UH sports venues.

831
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: It's advantageous to any kid who's playing any sport. And

832
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 1: what you do specialize here, football, basketball, track, baseball, whatever

833
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: choose sport, you choose to specialize in those other activities

834
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: through a memborization, muscle memorizing UH the ability to compete

835
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: when if you're a basketball guy, you gotta make that

836
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: final shot. Pressure. Those all carry over in athletics and

837
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: I really do think that's missing today. And I think

838
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: parents have something to do with that. I think the

839
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: coaches has something to do with that, that they think

840
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: they're missing out if a kid is playing multi sports.

841
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: I really do coach. The word I want to touch

842
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: on you hit there was the competitiveness um And to me,

843
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I think it's it's fascinating just when when we were

844
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: growing up, you went from it was okay, today it's

845
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: it's football season. As soon as that ends, we go

846
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: right into basketball. Right at basketball ends, you go into

847
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: baseball or track, whatever else you're gonna do. But it

848
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: felt like on the calendar you're competing against an opponent

849
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: on a year round basis. Now it seems like a

850
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: lot of these kids have their season and then it's

851
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: a training season, and it almost feels like maybe some

852
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: of that competitiveness can kind of get Lawton there. I agree.

853
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: The thing is you can't imitate being in a pressure

854
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: situation anywhere I ran track, high jump, high hurl, and

855
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm going against somebody I'm running, I'm competing. You can't.

856
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: There's no comparison there's nothing, there's nothing you can train

857
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: for that. You have to do it. Uh as you

858
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: get specialized in sports, and I realized that. You know,

859
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: kids lose time in the weight room when they jump

860
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: from basketball, football, basketball, wrestling and even in baseball. But

861
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: I think what they get out of that sport, especially

862
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: when the coaches demanding of fitness, demanding of discipline, it

863
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: makes it makes up for it because once they get

864
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: to college and they figure out what they want to do,

865
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: they'll specialize and they'll be great. Yeah, without it, without

866
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: a specialization can certainly help him in their later stages.

867
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Lebron and play and

868
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: why receiver, and I want you to kind of use

869
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: your experience as a college coach. If Lebron James has

870
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: stuck with football, what would the Lebron James ceiling have been?

871
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: NFL no question NFL. His ability to job and another

872
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: thing it's surprised about Lebron his He picked up on

873
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: things very fast. So in the right situation, with the

874
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: right coach in the collegiate level, he probably wouldn't have

875
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: made it for four years he had been drafted. Maybe

876
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: by the time he's a sophomore junior. That's how good

877
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: he was. Randy mosses When I say, what would you

878
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: compare a guide to Randy moss Wow? Wow, that was strong.

879
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: I want to go real quick to the hardwood. You

880
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: get a chance to coach him on the football field,

881
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: But I would love to know just give us a

882
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: little taste of what the environment was like in that

883
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: gym there when when he was in high school and

884
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: he's on the cover of Sports Illustrated and he's must

885
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: see TV as a high school or what was that

886
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: environment like where I guess we could say the king

887
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: was kind of crowned at that point in time. Well,

888
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: I was gone after a sophomore year, so I had

889
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: two years with him as the athletic director. We had

890
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: to shape the spectator ship that he would promote. It

891
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: was phenomenal. We had to move a game. Keith damn

892
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: Right and I were talking about moving a Central Howard

893
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: game from our venue to the University of Akrons Jim

894
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: and we had somebody from the media, Tim Rodgers from

895
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: the Plain Dealer, Freeway Collogo. Hey, I can do this,

896
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: but Keith, you want to give up a home game

897
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: because it's a neutral site? Did he agreed? Everybody would

898
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: be investing for both programs. Although Central Howard's a D

899
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: wanted more money, which we did. I mean I had

900
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,479
Speaker 1: to pay him both as a rulebo agree. We sold

901
00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: out in two hours, six thousand seats. It was it

902
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: was just like that. And you know, of course, the

903
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: same thing happens with the venue like that opens up.

904
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: You got people calling you a R tickets. Uh, can

905
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: you help me out here? Get in mine with everybody else? Great? Great.

906
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: Let me tell you a story. Is for the state

907
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: championship game Shottenstein Arena freshman year, and they're playing a

908
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: really good team. Uh, and they're a little bit behind

909
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: going into the half, maybe with about less than a minute.

910
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna loage because I'm on a D and

911
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm watching it, and there's an usher there with us,

912
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: and I go, this is pretty special. He goes, yeah sure.

913
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: You know you're like, yeah, sure, I said he is.

914
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: Just watch. Just as the game goes on, he throws

915
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: the ball under the basket. It gets picked off all right,

916
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: lebrons about the foul line and they're all state guards

917
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: at the half court line. So he throws the ball

918
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: down for you. He thinks he's got a bunny land right.

919
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: Lebron wheels around, catch us up with other guy, lays up,

920
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: he slams the ball into the backboard, It goes backwards,

921
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: he hawks it down. There's a three sixty kind of dunk.

922
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: Any other team loss and after that was over, it

923
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: was over. I mean, it sure goes. I ain't never

924
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: seen anything like that. I go, yeah, coach, look that

925
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: is so cool. Man. We feel like we learned a

926
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: little bit about Lebron James the football player. We've all

927
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: seen plenty of Lebron James a basketball player, but now

928
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: we're left with memories or thoughts of I guess I

929
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: should say, what could have been a little Randy Moss

930
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: and maybe even a taller, thicker, stronger Randy Moss. That's

931
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: quite an image. Yeah, I would say. I would say

932
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: just his ability to work work I think was good too. Coach.

933
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: We appreciate you so much, Thank you so much for

934
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: taking the time today, and uh, I wish you the

935
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: best of luck going in the future. We appreciate it.

936
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: Thanks appreciate it well. Buck at the comparison to Randy Moss,

937
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Lebron thinking about how big and muscular he is.

938
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: Now what is he about to sixty? Uh? I mean

939
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: now he's uh. I think he's a little bit thicker

940
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: than Randy Moss. But the athleticism, I mean, godly, you

941
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: can see it on the basketball court. I mean that's

942
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: that's a fair comparison, very fair. I mean you talk

943
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: about big guy. They can take it off the rim,

944
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: his physical can run around and make plays. Um. Obviously

945
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: he was able to do it as a a sophomore

946
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: in a junior to earn all state accolades only speaks

947
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: to just what was just kind of they're waiting to

948
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: be unearthed on the football field. It's unfortunate we didn't

949
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: get a chance to see that. But you can already

950
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: tell and Myer's response to some of our questions he

951
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: knew that he had a special one with him on

952
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: Lebron James showed up. It's unfortunately the football world didn't

953
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: get a chance to really see at all. What We're

954
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: gonna send out a video too, so you'll see some

955
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: of those highlights. If you want to see what Lebron

956
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: James looked like as a football player, Uh, look at

957
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: at Bucky Brooks at moved the sticks. We'll we'll twee

958
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: out some of these videos you'll be able to see

959
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: what he looked like. It's some freaky stuff. You'll get

960
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: a kick out of that. Oh, it's ridiculous. Alright. One

961
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: more here. We had a chance to visit with Matt

962
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: Rule recently, the head football coach there at Baylor that's

963
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: got the Baylor Bears back on track. Really an unbelievable

964
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: rebound job there no pun intended with the rebound basketball talk.

965
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: We had a chance to ask him about this whole

966
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: multi sport athlete thing and comparing it with guys that

967
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: are now just uh focused on one sport year round. Um.

968
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: And he spoke to the benefits of having guys that

969
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: have competed in multiple sports. But we're training players from

970
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: the fundamentals on up and so, um we worked tackling

971
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: in the off season. I mean, half of tackling is

972
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: before contact even occurs. It's it's the angles that you

973
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: run at your eye level, at your body position. It's

974
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: the it's it's do you take one more step? Do

975
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: you step and strike with the same foot and the

976
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: same shoulder, and so we um we we we practiced

977
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: that a lot, you know, more than anything else, those

978
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: angles and running and mirroring people. And you know, I

979
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do with kids

980
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: not playing a lot of different sports. You know, when

981
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: you play a lot of different sports. Um, you play basketball,

982
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: you have tremendous lateral movement. Um when you play baseball,

983
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: you have great tracking. You know, like I love finding

984
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: receivers that were former outfielders and their ability to go

985
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: find the ball and track it. So when you when

986
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: you kind of specialize, you have a lot of really fast,

987
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: explosive kids that can go straight ahead and and and

988
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: you end up having a lot of the torn a,

989
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: c l s and me injuries and stuff because people

990
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: aren't trained to go laterally. So we try to build

991
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: that into our off season program. Buck, I think there's

992
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: so many carryovers for guys that are playing different sports

993
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: and how it prepares them to be football players. And

994
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: I really do hope I hope that the coaches. I

995
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: know we get a lot of coaches that listen to

996
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: this podcast. I hope they will encourage these kids to

997
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: play multiple sports. I think it is what's best for

998
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: their long term development. And I I hated I had

999
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: I had a coach when I was young. I played

1000
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: baseball growing up and then I was going into my

1001
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: freshman year. We finished football season, finished basketball season. I'm

1002
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: ready to go play baseball. And I had a coach

1003
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: set down with me and said, look, if you play three,

1004
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: look selling none. You to just focus, whittle it down

1005
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: to two and decide what you want to do there.

1006
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: And so I stopped playing baseball, and uh I ended

1007
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: up coming to my junior year. My junior year, Buck,

1008
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I missed playing baseball, kind of

1009
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: enjoyed baseball. So I ended up playing my junior and

1010
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 1: senior year. This man crucial, crucial development that was lost,

1011
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, not playing as a as a freshman and

1012
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: a sophomore. And and I missed those days where these

1013
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: kids all played three sports. Yeah, I missed him. I

1014
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: think the problem stems on two different levels. One is

1015
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: two players who are increasingly um specializing because that's what

1016
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: they hear, that's where they read. And to the administrators

1017
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: that are telling these guys that, um, yeah, if you

1018
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: don't play uh fall basketball, you won't be able to

1019
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: really play in the winter, so you need to kind

1020
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: of go double duty. And then these guys feel this guilt, Oh,

1021
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: I can't make it to baseball. Privates because I got

1022
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: football price Tour, vice versa. But I just think it's

1023
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: so beneficial to be able to play other sports, to

1024
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: be able to look at someone who has shined in

1025
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: another sport in another area. It just adds to the

1026
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: info that you're trying to have when it comes to

1027
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: building UM an ideal team and an ideal draft profile.

1028
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: So for me, I think there's so many benefits to

1029
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: playing a variet different sports and me and coached by

1030
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: other players, coached by other coaches, that I just can't

1031
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: see the downs side. I can't see the negative effect

1032
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: unless you're just kind of getting beat to a pub.

1033
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: But I just think more guys should to try and

1034
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: play as many sports as they can for as long

1035
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: as they can, because man, when you get old like us,

1036
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: you don't have an opportunity to do this stuff. I know, man,

1037
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: And it looks it's fun. It's just fun because you

1038
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: don't get even get sick of a sport because you

1039
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: finish it up and you're kind of okay, I'm kind

1040
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: of worn down a little bit. Boom another sport comes in. UM.

1041
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of fun. So I had encourage

1042
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: that if we got any kids, out there listening to

1043
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: this thing. To it, I encourage you to play multiple sports.

1044
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: All right, this is uh, this is an interesting question

1045
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: because I took a long time trying to think of

1046
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: what my answer would be here book, Um, the best

1047
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: multi sport athlete you've ever seen, we got a say

1048
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: in person, right, we can't go off team that guy

1049
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: you've been around or you've seen. I know you've got

1050
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: I know you've got several that you've been around. There. No,

1051
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's it's so crazy. So in

1052
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: North Carolina, like obviously, um, you have Julius Peppers who

1053
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: came through who was a big time basketball player, played

1054
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: on the Final four team. Um, you're like the thing

1055
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: him Ronald Curry played basketball and football was it might

1056
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: have been Parade All American Player of the Year or

1057
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: whatever in both sports. But what's crazy in terms of

1058
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: the best guy that I've ever seen would be Allen

1059
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: iverson Um. And part of the thing with Allen iverson Um,

1060
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy that was a quarterback, kick returner, safety. Um,

1061
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: slippery as all get out that you can imagine, Um,

1062
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: his crossover, but just being in the open field and

1063
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: the way that he played, and the way that he

1064
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: returned kicks, and just how dangerous he was. It's unfortunate

1065
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: that we didn't get an opportunity to fully see it

1066
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: play because, Um, after all the stuff that he did

1067
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: and and and the time that he had served for

1068
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: his mistakes, he didn't get opportunity to go back and

1069
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: play football. I would love to see what he would

1070
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: have been able to do as a football player and

1071
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: basketball player for one university. Yeah, and they'll look the

1072
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: video out there. His football video is ridiculous. I'll go

1073
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: with two. I'll go to that I was around growing

1074
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: up in San Diego. Um. The first one is a

1075
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: guy that I played basketball with and played against in football,

1076
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: and that's Darryl Russell. And I don't know how remember

1077
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: d Russ, but Darryl Russell. Would you play with him

1078
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: in Oakland? Yeah? I played with him. Great at me,

1079
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: A great player, a great athlete. Oh buck he was.

1080
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: So he was. Um, I think it was the number

1081
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: one defensive linement in the country coming out of high school.

1082
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: He went to USC ended up being what the third

1083
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: overall pick to the Oakland Raiders. But I played basketball

1084
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: with him on a on a you know, we called

1085
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: a Slammy Jam team that we played up in up

1086
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: in l A. And I played against him a basketball

1087
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: for a couple of years too. He was in our league.

1088
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: So this guy's six ft five pounds in high school,

1089
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: can dunk a basketball anyway you want to dunk a basketball?

1090
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: Was phenomenal, phenomenal Hooper. And so we would go play

1091
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: in the slam of Jam tournaments. And he was high

1092
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: school teammates with a guy named Gelannie McCoy center at

1093
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: u C l A. So they were teammates. And then

1094
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: so they were also on the Slammy Jam team. So

1095
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: we would go to these you know tournaments, and there

1096
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: was I'm talking about everybody there to see Gilanni. But

1097
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: then they would all see d Russ and We're like

1098
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: these all these the Russ to come play basketball. He

1099
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: was that good. He was phenomenal at that size and

1100
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: football as a defensive line when he was on blockable,

1101
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: he played tight end. He caught a pass against us

1102
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: one year in the flat, little five yard pass. It

1103
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: literally just ran away from our whole team. Uh, A

1104
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: guy that big, So he was he was phenomenal. But

1105
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: the the the number one that I've ever seen, and

1106
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: unfortunately because of some back issues. I don't think you

1107
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: got to see what he could ultimately be. Was a

1108
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: guy went to my high school named Tony Clark. Tony

1109
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: Clark is now the head of the MLB Players Association.

1110
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: Played fifteen years Major League Baseball. I think he was

1111
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: a second pick in the draft for the Detroit Lions,

1112
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: behind Chipper Jones. So Chipper Jones, it was a pick.

1113
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: Tony was a second pick. He had a great baseball career,

1114
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: played fifteen years, hit over two or fifty home runs. Um,

1115
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, a long career, six eight about two thirty.

1116
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: Coming out of high school and his uh, his younger

1117
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: brother and I were really good friends. I was over

1118
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: there at your house all the time. Tony Clark as

1119
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: a senior was a McDonald's All American basketball player. UH

1120
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: signed with the University of Arizona. This is when Arizona

1121
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: is rolling with with Elliott and all those guys. Phenomenal.

1122
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: UH forty three points a game, took him to the

1123
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: state championship and it was literally a one man show.

1124
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: But like he would have been, in my opinion, without question,

1125
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: would have been a lottery pick in the NBA. But

1126
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: he heard it hurt his back. I believes freshman year

1127
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: at Arizona UM ended up transferring then to San Diego State,

1128
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: just played maybe one more year of basketball and then

1129
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: uh he just did the baseball thing full time and

1130
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: obviously had a long, successful career. But somebody that was

1131
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: that was that long, that athletic, that explosive. He was.

1132
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: He was unique. Man. I remember Chris Fowler coming to

1133
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: our campus with members Classic Sports America. Yeah, how about that. Uh,

1134
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: he came out, he came out there, that did a

1135
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: big thing on Tony, you know, with with the dual

1136
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: sport thing. But he was, he was, He was incredible.

1137
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: The other story I'll tell you about him real quick.

1138
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: I would uh, his dad would would video the games, right,

1139
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: so you got the old school, you know, cameras you

1140
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: have to put up, park them on your shoulder. Well, uh,

1141
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: his younger brother Greg would have to do you know,

1142
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: a couple of quarters of footage. And then so I

1143
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: would go with him to games and so they would say,

1144
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: all right, Daniel, you need to you need to film

1145
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter of the basketball game whatever. I'm like, okay,

1146
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know how to use a camera, Like

1147
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: we don't even have one of these things. So I've

1148
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: got my eye, I've got my eye jammed up to

1149
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: that ihole and I'm video on him. Well, it fogs up,

1150
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: it fogs up in there. You gotta keep your eye

1151
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: away from that. I didn't know that. So literally, it's

1152
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: in the middle of his game and I pull I

1153
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: gotta pull the thing down and like, get get it

1154
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: all cleaned off so I can see. As soon as

1155
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: I pull it down, Buck, it's thet nastiest dunk you've

1156
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: ever seen in your life. So I'm supposed to spend

1157
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: the night of their house. So I go. I'm like,

1158
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: I missed the dunk, Like I didn't get it. I

1159
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: didn't even get it on footage. And that's all they're

1160
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: talking about on the ride home. Oh, I can't wait

1161
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: to see this. I'm supposed to spend the night. I said,

1162
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, I don't feel good. Pick me up like

1163
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: in what seventh grade or something like that, sixth seventh

1164
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: grade and I'm like, yeah, I don't feel good. I

1165
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: didn't go home, and I'm like, man, I gotta get

1166
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: out here. Before they realized I totally missed that dunk

1167
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: on video was bad. That's hilarious. That's oh man, that's

1168
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: that's that's funny. That's really funny. That's funny. Um. I

1169
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: played with some guys that were really good. Tony Gonzalez,

1170
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: I played within Kanna cit We used to always go

1171
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: shoe hoops over and over in the park. He could

1172
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: he could play um diale. Carter Andre Rosen was an

1173
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: excellent basketball player. Um. You know, I I just kind

1174
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: of think that like guys who end up being like

1175
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: really good players in a lot of different sports are

1176
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: pretty good in everything because the athleticism and in the

1177
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: love it carries over, it carries out or no doubt. Well, look,

1178
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: the greatest athlete of all time, Uh, but I should

1179
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: say greatest basketball player of all time Michael Jordan's I mean,

1180
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: look to not have picked up a bat and then

1181
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: to go out there at least be competitive as a

1182
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: baseball player says something. I think Tim Tebow, uh, you know,

1183
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: as an amateur obviously one of the greatest you know,

1184
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: college quarterbacks of all time didn't translate to the NFL.

1185
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: But then you know he's been uh he's had some

1186
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: rocky you know up and down road. I guess they're

1187
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: on the minor leagues. But look, Yeah, you gotta be

1188
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: an athlete to do that. Yeah, absolutely, that was That

1189
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: was a fun episode. I do want to thank UM

1190
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: the folks over their ESPN l A seven ten for

1191
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: the for the Lakers radio call. They're for giving us

1192
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: the ability to use that. I feel like, again just

1193
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: a fascinating subject that we've talked about for a long

1194
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: time on this podcast, and want to thank David Singer

1195
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: UH and the booking department for being able to pull

1196
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: all these incredible guests together for us to to launch

1197
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: this episode. I do hope you've enjoyed it. Hope you

1198
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: enjoyed the start of the basketball season, UM, and I

1199
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: hope you enjoy as the football season. We're getting into

1200
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: the nitty grady here of the of the schedule, both

1201
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: at the college level and the NFL level. It's a

1202
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: great time of year. Absolutely love it. I appreciate you

1203
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: guys listening downloading the podcast. If you have a question

1204
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: for us, drop it on Apple Podcasts and the UH

1205
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: in the rating review section there and we will we'll

1206
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: do our best to answer it on a podcast coming soon.

1207
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Speaker 1: So appreciate you guys. We'll catch you next time right

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00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: here on Move the Sticks. Thanks for downloading Move the

1209
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:26,240
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