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Speaker 1: into the Monday Morning Podcast. John Middlecop's gonna join me

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Speaker 1: And let's bring in John Middlecoff, my buddy, the former

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Speaker 1: NFL scout. So I had said on the show last week.

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Speaker 1: The one place now that Baker Mayfield's off the market,

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Speaker 1: He's such a good guy that Brady may have more

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Speaker 1: of Sports Illustrator reported the Bucks and Jimmy g What

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason to me Baker's is because Jimmy

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Speaker 1: you gotta be like thirty three and Richard Sherman and

424
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Speaker 1: already had multiple contracts and know what you're doing. Yeah,

425
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Speaker 1: your first big contract when you're kind of already a

426
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Speaker 1: polarizing like do we want to give a guy that's

427
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: gonna run around a lot? This is It's actually an

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Speaker 1: easy one for the Ravens, right. They're just like just

429
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: keep pushing it down, pushing it out. They would love

430
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Speaker 1: to play this thing out, right. I mean that's in me.

431
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: He's in this weird spot where he does have a

432
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Speaker 1: lot of leverage. They can't operate without him. They need

433
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Speaker 1: him to make I think they're gonna be pretty good

434
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Speaker 1: if you tell me they got everyone coming back. I

435
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: think they're deep. They got Kyle Hamilton, they drafted the center,

436
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: all their running backs are gonna come back. Like the

437
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: division's gonna be a little you know, the Bengals probably

438
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: take a little bit of a step back, and Steelers

439
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: offense is a disaster. Who knows what the Cleveland Browns,

440
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: They're gonna be a mess all season. To me, the

441
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: Ravens could easily be eleven twelve win team, but it starts,

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00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, obviously their defense, but with him, and you

443
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: want him in a good spot. I mean, think how

444
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Mahomes and obviously those guys. Definitely Mahomes. You

445
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: could argue he's accomplished more than Josh Allen because he

446
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: won the MVP and he's I think they both won

447
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: a playoff game. But you want those guys just focused

448
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: on football. You don't want this kind of carrying over

449
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: once we you know, in twenty or whatever days, once

450
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Speaker 1: we get going all right. Two non NFL topics with

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff. Number one, I think the most frustrating thing

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Speaker 1: for me as a member of the media is the

453
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Speaker 1: constant outrage and political media, the overreacting in the sports

454
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: media and there's a lot of talented people and we

455
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: all have our bad days. But my takeaway on this

456
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: thing about USC and UCLA joining the Big ten is

457
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: that if the Pac twelve, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Arizona schools,

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Speaker 1: Colorado join the Big twelve Baylor, Oklahoma plus by US

459
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: going in, Houston's going in, it's actually a pretty good

460
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Speaker 1: football conference. I mean, at the end of last year

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00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: you had like Baylor four, Oklahoma State seven. Oregon was

462
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Speaker 1: in the twenties, BYU was in the twenties. I think

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Speaker 1: Houston was like seventeen. One of the other schools I

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00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: think was like twelve. Utah was twelve. Yeah, And my

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Speaker 1: takeaway I said it this last week that college basketball

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Speaker 1: men and women's gives you a template. If you expand

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Speaker 1: to sixteen teams, it doesn't matter where the teams come from.

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Speaker 1: We don't care where Gonzaga comes from. The expanded Big

469
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Speaker 1: Tannell put in five of the sixty SEC puts in six,

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Speaker 1: the Big twelve foot in two. ACC if Miami gets

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Speaker 1: their act together too, along with Clemson, maybe an independent

472
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Speaker 1: can get in. Is that, Yes, Oregon State and Washington

473
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 1: State could be left out, but let's be honest, in

474
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Speaker 1: our lifetimes, they're probably a better fit with Fresno State,

475
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: Boise State, San Diego State, where they can compete for

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Speaker 1: a championship and get an automatic bid into a field

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Speaker 1: of sixteen. So I kind of looked at the reaction

478
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Speaker 1: to it. My takeaway is I think it's gonna work

479
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: out fine, and I think when they expand the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna have a college basketball field to it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think just born and raised on the

482
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Speaker 1: West Coast and I grew up going to Cal football games.

483
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: I mean Cal lost a game last year at Arizona

484
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Speaker 1: that I thought was pretty symbolic at the conference where

485
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: Berkeley didn't allow them to take like twenty five players

486
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: and they played with a bunch of backups and that's

487
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: where Jed Fish got his one win. Like, we just

488
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: don't care about I mean, the things you have to

489
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Speaker 1: overcome politically out here. Football is just not that important

490
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: at USC, you know, and they're taking it very very

491
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Speaker 1: seriously financially. So to me, losing them, I think emotionally

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Speaker 1: to a lot of people, I get it, it sucks,

493
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Speaker 1: but let's face it, the pactwal died years ago. Yeah,

494
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's been. It's been beyond irrelevant. And if

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Speaker 1: it wasn't for them kind of getting lucky to get

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Speaker 1: Chris Peterson and Washington, the Pactwald never would have sniffed

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Speaker 1: a playoff game. You know that they have been They've

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Speaker 1: been closer to the Mountain West some years, the mount

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Speaker 1: When the Mountain West is beating Fresno State Boys, some

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Speaker 1: of these teams are beating the pactwelve school. Oh yeah,

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00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: it's like, what are we doing? No? I mean, if

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Speaker 1: not for Phil Knight and Chris Peterson, it's been the

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Speaker 1: Mountain West. I mean that's what it's been. I mean,

504
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Speaker 1: Chris Peterson for about a half hour and Phil Knight

505
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Speaker 1: as he continues to do kind of spearheading that program financially.

506
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean right now they're they're going out and paying players,

507
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: which I think it's legal. I'm not sure what's legal.

508
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's not. Do you think they would

509
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Speaker 1: have wanted him? Obviously, Mick cronin the UCLA's alive again

510
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: and Lincoln Riley the last six months that they feel alive,

511
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Speaker 1: Let's just say it was Clay and some random basketball coach. Still,

512
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: do you think they're still as valuable or you think

513
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: they're momentum kind of made them more. I think Lincoln

514
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: Riley makes them very attractive. I think Mick Cronin makes

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Speaker 1: UCLA very attractive. The Bruins were one hundred million dollars

516
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: in debt anyway, I mean they were gonna have to

517
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: cut multiple all right, live golf. So my takeaway has

518
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: been pretty consistent. You have to be completely naive between IOC, FIFA,

519
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: the Social Socio Olympics, the NBA in China, Saudi Arabian

520
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: Chics buying soccer teams. But there's something about this that

521
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: were outraged the independent contractors otherwise known as PGA golfers

522
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: one exemptions and my takeaway, if it was Yemen Tour,

523
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: PGA wouldn't care it was the if it was the

524
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: Portuguese Tour, but it's the Saudi Arabian Tour, and they

525
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: have a less pit of cash, and it scares the

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Speaker 1: hell out of the PGA, which by the way is

527
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: suddenly now made some tweaks and some adjustments and they've

528
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: got newfound money. What has been your basic take? I

529
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: don't know if I could join it right like, it

530
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: does make me uncomfortable, but I just feel like we're

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Speaker 1: piling on golfers when I have a global sports web

532
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: of Vladimir Putin doing things China with the NBA doing things,

533
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Speaker 1: and I just I can't get that outrage by it.

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00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: I look at it two ways. One, I think there's

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Speaker 1: a big disconnect, and again, this is the golf media

536
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of them do business with a golf

537
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: channel who's in bed with the PGA Tour, so they

538
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: have an agenda. I don't think most fans just purely

539
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: care whether guys are taking money or not. So I

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00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: think the people that are outraged the media that is

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Speaker 1: very loud about it, I don't think the golf fan

542
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: cares that much. The golf fan that watch the PGA Tour,

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00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: I would imagine if you just factor in all the

544
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: leagues are on the higher end in terms of in

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00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: terms of money, like they're a business, it's a business

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00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: sport and it's a high end, so they get it now.

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00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: I think from a fan standpoint of you want to

548
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: watch Bryson Kepka DJ with the other guys, that's where

549
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: it sucks. If I told you that Aaron Rodgers mahomes

550
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: this upcoming year are going to be in a different

551
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: league that would suck, or Steph Curry, Luca and Yokich

552
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: are going to this other basketball league. You're gonna have

553
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: to watch them. That's where people are like, this is

554
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: it's just making it more complicated. But from a financial standpoint,

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00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: no one Once these guys are throwing out the money

556
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: they gave you one hundred and fifty million dollars, they

557
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: had to. They couldn't have got Dustin Johnson, who's worth

558
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars four twenty five million dollars,

559
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: so they had to spend the only reason this was

560
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: viable is because someone like this isn't viable with anyone else.

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Speaker 1: Even if Elon or Bezos were interested, because they would,

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Speaker 1: they'd be like, well, we don't have a TV contract

563
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 1: yet the roy We're not gonna make any money. They

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Speaker 1: don't even care for the foreseeable future. And this also

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00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: gets back to Greg Norman, who has you know the

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Speaker 1: story broke today they have this special thing one hundred

567
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: and fiftieth Open Championship this week British Open. All the

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Speaker 1: former champions are going to play like kind of nine holes,

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Speaker 1: screw around and then have a big dinner. Every guy

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Speaker 1: that's ever won it. Well, Greg Norman's won it twice. Yeah,

571
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Speaker 1: obviously Phils want it. Louieu Stays and who's also in

572
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Speaker 1: lives want it. Those guys did not get told they

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Speaker 1: can't come, so they said come on in. They told

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Speaker 1: Greg Norman do not show up. And obviously the PJA

575
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: Tour now is in bed with the European it's all business.

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Speaker 1: It's all run fighting, you know. And ultimately Greg Norman

577
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: thirty years ago had this idea for golf tournaments to

578
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: feed the top player's money. The PGA Tours stole it.

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00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: It's called the WGC, so he has a vandetta against

580
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Speaker 1: him and he would not be able to take them

581
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Speaker 1: down Colin unless he had this money pit, which he had.

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Speaker 1: And that's where I think a lot of the media

583
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Speaker 1: who are threatened because this sport now that's kind of

584
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: been booming, it's been growing a little bit without Tiger too.

585
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: It feels like, are we gonna now take step back

586
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: and the league's not going to be as important. So

587
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: I think there's just so many agendas. It's why a

588
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: lot of the players, if you hear them talking, go

589
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: I understand it. It just ultimately sucks I want everyone

590
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: on this tour so it's the best, but it's but

591
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: there's no other league has where it's just like, we

592
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: got a tournament this weekend. Who's gonna show up? We

593
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like if it's the NBA playoffs, you

594
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: know exactly who's gonna be there Week one. For the NFL,

595
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: unless people are hurt, you know who's gonna play. If

596
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: I just tell you you know the random tournament in

597
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Florida's going on, You're like, well, two of the top

598
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: ten guys might be there. Who knows. They get to

599
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: choose and that that is ultimately hurt them. But it

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00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: goes back to the way the business set up with

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Speaker 1: the nonprofit that they are all these complicated. It's just

602
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: too complicated, honestly. I mean all the other major sports

603
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: dropped that the tax exemption years ago just because they

604
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to deal with it. They were getting too big.

605
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: And maybe that's the way the PG you can still

606
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: funnel money to charities without being that way, and maybe

607
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: that's where they need to pivot to. Yeah, I think listen,

608
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: I feel like you. I feel some of the golf

609
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: writers have a bit of an agenda. I had Rick

610
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: Riley on my show, you know, and I said, you know,

611
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: all play Devil's advocate. You know, our government has a

612
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: strong economic alliance with them and has post nine to

613
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Speaker 1: eleven post murder of the Washington Post journalist. And he said, well,

614
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: but we we have to do that, and I think

615
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: not really, not really, we don't. We don't. We can

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00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: survive without I mean, only five percent of the oil

617
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: coming to America now it's Saudi oil. So we're fine

618
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: without them. So someone told me a former PGA Tour

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Speaker 1: player that said, one point, and this is interesting, right,

620
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: they do a lot of revenue sharing. And when Fox

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Speaker 1: bought when they were in the golf game, remember they

622
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: bought the US Open, and I think it was like

623
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Speaker 1: ninety eight million dollars on the first time they ever

624
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: had at Chambers Bay, and that's what it was. And

625
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: in the pot and this is what made Phil really mad.

626
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: So ninety eight million dollars and the purse was like

627
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 1: twelve million dollars, and once Fox got it, it went

628
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: up to like fifteen. And Phil goes, we're not acting

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Speaker 1: for eighty of the ninety But how is this purse

630
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: not forty million? Where's the money going yeah, and that's

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Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of put it. He's

632
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: led the charge because again like Norman, business guy, very aggressive,

633
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: big alpha, and butte heads sometimes with the PG two

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00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: or some of these guys, they're making so much money,

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Speaker 1: and I put DJ and kept under that. These golfers,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the top guys make a ton off and

637
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Speaker 1: on the course. But once you someone throws get in golf,

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Speaker 1: the money's not guaranteed. You have to earn it, right,

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Speaker 1: So once a guy cutch you one hundred million dollars, check,

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Speaker 1: it's why Kepka says I'm not in, and then like,

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Speaker 1: well you want twenty five million more, will make it

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Speaker 1: one twenty five Is that I'm in? And now he's gone,

643
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna stop. Well, think about Howard

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Speaker 1: Stern and Joe Rogan. So they build up, they build up,

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Speaker 1: they build up, they build up these big audiences and

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Speaker 1: then Sirius XM says to Howard, and Spotify says that

647
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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, Okay, we'll get paid the bag. Not one

648
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Speaker 1: hundred percent of your audience is going to follow you,

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Speaker 1: probably seventy five percent. Could you get generational wealth? And

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Speaker 1: Stern and Rogan had worked for years at their craft,

651
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Speaker 1: and that's where I look at a lot of these

652
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Speaker 1: guys like Phil Mickelson and Greg Norman have been doing

653
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Speaker 1: this forever. I joke the other day, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be selling reverse mortgages coins and have a depends commercial

655
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Speaker 1: in like eighteen years. Like that's my takeaway. Now, a

656
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Speaker 1: young golfer, you really do have to pay him one

657
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million. But like Phil Mickelson, like he's

658
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Speaker 1: got the legacy, he's got the majors. I think a

659
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Speaker 1: lot of people you could go to. I've just my

660
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Speaker 1: whole career. I've watched guys that they dominate an industry.

661
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Speaker 1: They're really, really great, and then they get to a

662
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Speaker 1: point where Howard's like one hundred million dollars a year,

663
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Speaker 1: I'm moving and and Joe Rogan's like, yeah, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: they're gonna take some of my podcasts I've done, like

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Speaker 1: Alex Jones, They're gonna eliminate those, Okay, And it's gonna

666
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Speaker 1: piss off my fans, But I don't one hundred percent

667
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Speaker 1: of my audience. I'm monetizing my brand to the highest degree.

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Speaker 1: And I think Phil's argument is simply an economic one.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not monetizing my brand. I'm given away fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of my income annually. Yeah, I don't think anyone

671
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Speaker 1: people however, they might hate Phil now, but like Phil,

672
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Speaker 1: to me is completely understandable. Where Live is trying to

673
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: screw the PGA Tour would be essentially like if another

674
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Speaker 1: NFL was started by the Saudis and they went to Alabama,

675
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Speaker 1: Ohio State in usc and got their top players. They

676
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Speaker 1: are offering the top amateurs that turn into Scottie Scheffler

677
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: or Jordan Spieth a ton of money, and they've been

678
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Speaker 1: lucky that a lot of these guys are American born,

679
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: grew up, you know, tens country club kids that idol

680
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: that want to play on the PGA Tour have turned

681
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: them down. But if they get three or four of those,

682
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Speaker 1: if they get the next Jordan Spieth or whatever to go,

683
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Speaker 1: then they might have something. The problem, though, is how

684
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Speaker 1: is Live Lives bet I PGA Tour create stars right

685
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Speaker 1: through winning, through building up your brand. If you just

686
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Speaker 1: go to Live and they give you five million dollars

687
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Speaker 1: a twenty two year old, how do you become a

688
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Speaker 1: stall to try to turn into Rory to turn into

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Speaker 1: to Jordan. That's where it gets difficult, and that's what

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour has over them. That's what I've always

691
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Speaker 1: said about the G League. If the G League gave

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Speaker 1: you two million dollars, I'd still go to Duke. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I totally agree. Yeah, NBA Zion, how that worked out

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Speaker 1: for him? I mean he became a superstar. Did you

695
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: see the draft this year? One G League guy at

696
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Speaker 1: the top, bunch of college guys. The bottom line is

697
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Speaker 1: the NBA has demonized college basketball forever. You guys realize

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Speaker 1: March Madness beats the NBA and ratings sometimes hammers it.

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna tell me that, Jalen Sugs, Zion Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who these guys are in the G League.

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Speaker 1: So I think your point is if I was a

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Speaker 1: young golfer now, brooks Kepka and Bryson Nashambo and Dustin Johnson,

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Speaker 1: they have real brands. They're the alpha's on the tour.

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Speaker 1: But I could never take it as a young guy.

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00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't take it off. I'm brooks Kepca, although

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not, you know, holier than now on this,

707
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Speaker 1: but I get the older golfer who feels sure he's

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Speaker 1: left fifty percent of his revenue. I get the fifty

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Speaker 1: six year old or the how old's Phil forty one Phil?

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Speaker 1: I think just it's like fifty one turn fifty last year,

711
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Speaker 1: so he's, yeah, he's over. There's no way to make that.

712
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Speaker 1: I get it, I really do. And you can say

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Speaker 1: what you want, but let's go back to NBA, China,

714
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Speaker 1: Social Olympics. Let's let's not be too precious on this thing.

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Speaker 1: Whoever your sport is, you just need to be able

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Speaker 1: to build up stars. And I've always said about the NFL,

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Speaker 1: one thing they really have going for him. I was

718
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Speaker 1: watching the NBA draft. I don't think the majority of

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Speaker 1: people really knew who even the guys that played at

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Speaker 1: Duke or Auburn's like, how many games have they seen?

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Speaker 1: When the NFL draft happened, You're like, oh, I watch

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Speaker 1: Alabama play four times. I know half those guys, or

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Speaker 1: I watched Georgia, or I watched USC or Texas. We

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Speaker 1: know all these guys when they get in the league,

725
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Speaker 1: even the third rounders. So it's just easier to hit

726
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Speaker 1: the ground running where I think that's what basketball it

727
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: looks like They've actually got a pretty good crop these

728
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Speaker 1: last couple of years. But you need the college to

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Speaker 1: keep pumping people. I've never said this before, but I

730
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Speaker 1: thought it was a buddy this weekend. So the least

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Speaker 1: popular TV sport of the Big four is hockey. They

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Speaker 1: have a completely anonymous minor league system. The second most

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Speaker 1: anonymous minoritague system is baseball. It gets the second worst ratings,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people in America do go to

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Speaker 1: minoritague baseball game, so it's not as bad as hockey,

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Speaker 1: although it gets no TV. Yeah, okay. The third worst

737
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Speaker 1: is college basketball, which used to be dynamic. Now it's

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Speaker 1: one and done. And then, of course the best is

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Speaker 1: the NFL. So think about this. The popularity in the

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Speaker 1: big foreign America goes in a linear order. The better

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Speaker 1: and more viewed your minor league system, I have more

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Speaker 1: emotional connection. NFL is number one. College football is the

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Speaker 1: best feeder system big ratings, Basketball two, Baseball three, hockey four.

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Speaker 1: So this, and it's to your point, the NBA has

745
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: never understood this. The G League. Then these guys like

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Speaker 1: Jalen Green go to bad teams. I don't see him

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Speaker 1: for five years. I can't you know. I still If

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Speaker 1: the Orlando Magic are on TV, I stopped to watch

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Speaker 1: Jalen Sugs. If the Pelicans are on I stopped to

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Speaker 1: watch Zion. I think the NBA butchers this, and I

751
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: love Adam Silver. I think they don't have any idea.

752
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: They're just it is like a microwave. They microwave your

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00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: stars for you. Four games in the tournament, huge ratings

754
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: for Zion the whole count. Pay them anything, just let

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00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: him do it. It's free. I was watching the hockey

756
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: draft the other day. I was just bored. It was

757
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: on like Wednesday night. I was, I don't check it out.

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Speaker 1: The first pick was from like Slovania, I mean other

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00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: guys that none of them are from here, so we've

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Speaker 1: never even if you did watch hockey, you would never

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Speaker 1: have seen them. So I'm when I was a kid

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Speaker 1: in the nineties and Michael and the NBA college basketball

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Speaker 1: Allen iverson Scheck. You were watching dial on those guys

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Speaker 1: like you would be TUA or this year with Bryce

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Speaker 1: Young or CG. You wanted to watch the prospects. And

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Speaker 1: now it's I mean the G League team, ignit. Jalen

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Speaker 1: Green they played in my backyard and Walnut Creek. I

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Speaker 1: think they just moved to Vegas. That's where they're gonna

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Speaker 1: play next year. But for two years they've played in

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Speaker 1: Walnut Creek, And obviously I think this year was much

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Speaker 1: worse because two years ago they had Jalen and cominga

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Speaker 1: like that was a pretty good crew. But now duke

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Speaker 1: in Texas and they can pay you a premium, why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you just take the million dollars and go play

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Speaker 1: there for a year and get seen on national television

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Speaker 1: a bunch. Yeah, I think one of the things that's

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Speaker 1: happening college basketball is going to go on a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a renaissance here. The NIL is great for

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Speaker 1: college basketball if a duke can pay a four hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand and then g league's panning of five hundred thousand. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: the coaching leader at DUNA, who's awesome at college basketball? Now?

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Speaker 1: The SEC? Why because of college football money? And they

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Speaker 1: the SEC what Larry Scott wanted to be awesome at

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Speaker 1: the Olympic Sports and forever the Pac twelve hung their

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Speaker 1: hat on the Olympic Sports. Well, then the SEC for

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Speaker 1: a decade led by say, now these other guys have

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00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 1: printed so much money all their Olympic sports have gone

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00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: like this and their college they're paying college basketball coach

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Speaker 1: five six million dollars. Their golf teams fly private there.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch the College World Series? Half of them

791
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: were from the SEC. You know it used to be

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Speaker 1: UCLA Stanford Like, no, it's those guys because they have

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Speaker 1: the money. So back to USC in UCLA ultimately like

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00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: it changes your program. I saw the UCLA athletic director,

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Speaker 1: like you said they were going to cut the program.

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Speaker 1: He's like, now, not only can we not cut programs,

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Speaker 1: we can reinvest. So instead of losing our you know,

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Speaker 1: tennis coach to Auburn because they can double his salary.

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Speaker 1: Now we can pay and that that to me is

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Speaker 1: where college sports is really gone. The SEC in college basketball,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of top recruits are going

802
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,720
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