WEBVTT - Episode 1 - We can't change the past, not yet 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.960 Welcome to the Docerty Gang, a production of I Heart 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.760 Radio and Katie Studios. Docr To Gang is the true 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:10.440 story of three siblings. Twenty nine year oldly Grace, I'm 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:13.760 the oldest. We have a very, very loving family. Our 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.920 family is very accepting. If you make a mistake, our 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.720 family will shoot you out and they will quickly open 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.800 their arms. Twenty six year old Dylan. I wish it 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.200 had not happened the way, and I wish I had 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.479 never been put in that position. And obviously if I 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.960 could go back, I would change a lot in twenty 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.800 one year old Ryan. I'm not good at covering my track. 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.000 I'm not good at lying. I'm not good at being 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.159 a cheater. And I'll even'll wake behind me like a 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.159 mile wide. The three went on an eight day fifteen 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:44.080 state Crimes free in two thousand eleven that rocked the country. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.680 They liked the notoriety, They liked the fact that they 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.279 were on the Monday, liked that they were getting national attention. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.479 That just played in the hole, you know, Bonnie and Clade. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.040 They went from wielding an eight key forty seven while 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.960 trying to outrun police in Florida. The police tried to 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.240 pull the sibling Joe the first speeding, but instead officers 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:06.319 say the Doherty's pulled out a gun firing December twenty 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.800 shots to robbing a bank in Georgia. What do you 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:10.840 get out of it? You get federal charges, you get 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.440 to FBI chasing, and you're gonna get your picture taken 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.760 to leading police on a high speed car chase across 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:26.520 Colorado ending in a shower of bullets fifty But that's 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.759 not where the story begins ten years, because we're coming 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:35.280 up in ten years and I mean, we've done thirty years. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:39.720 This is the Dockerty Gang Episode one. We can't change 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.200 the past, not yet. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.440 at Katie Studios with Stephanie Ledecker. We've been working with 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.240 producer Beth Greenwald and The Dockerty Gang for months now. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.120 The three siblings have agreed to tell their story for 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.720 the very first time, each from separate prisons. Lee Grace 0:01:55.800 --> 0:02:00.280 Dockerty is at Federal Corrections Institute Aliceville and Alabama. Ryan 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.760 is in the United States Penitentiary Tucson in Arizona, and 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.760 Dylan is at the Federal Corrections Institute in Bennonsville, South Carolina. 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.919 This call was from the federal prison. The last time 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:12.400 I spoke to my dad. I don't know if you 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.720 ever talked to anybody on their death bed, or had 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.160 anybody that you know asked you to do something while 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.720 they're trying I guess, but it's the definitely weighed on me. 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:21.360 You know, it was something that I really later on 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.120 took the heart. They didn't say, you know, respect your mom, 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.400 or do good in the school, or be nice to 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.840 your sisters or anything like that. You told me the 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.959 last thing I remember him telling me he was looking 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:32.519 out for your little brother. I don't know if he 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.680 knew and was going to be right there soon, but 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.959 he thought about four hours after that. That's older brother, 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.799 Dylan Dougherty. He was just twelve years old when he 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.120 made a promise to his father on his deathbed that 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.160 he would take care of his little brother. It would 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.160 change the course of Dylan's entire life. Here he is 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.240 speaking with Beth Greenwald. Family always seems to be the 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.079 most important thing to all of you guys. Is it 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.239 because you lost your dad? It was just the way 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.360 that you were raised For my dad, you know, family 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:01.160 was everything, and that's definitely where I got those ethos 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.680 from from him. You know, family, trump's all. No matter 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.040 what happens in your family is always tiring. Do you 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.480 think things would have been any different if you're if 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.040 your dad hadn't passed That's a big question. But John Daddie, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:13.880 I think things would be a lot different if my 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.400 father had passed away. Their story was covered in the 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.200 national media and it made us want to know more. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.360 This man hunt has been going on for more than 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:25.040 a week. Harmed, dangerous, and all in the same family 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.120 that led to a twenty mile long chase at speeds 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.280 of over a hundred miles an hour. Are they three 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.560 goldenhearted siblings willing to risk everything for each other or 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.680 were they just looking for notoriety. My brother is going 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.040 to be on the run. I'm going to be on 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.800 the run. I'm on probation, and I burned all my bridges. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.000 It's a really strange feeling to be untethered. You don't 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.320 have anything that means anything to you anymore. You've lost 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:52.320 everything that matters. You can't go self surrendered. That doesn't matter. 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.520 You're still gonna get the same amount of time you're 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.600 gonna get whether or not you keep going from There, 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.200 feature film based on the cross country crime spree set 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.600 to be released later this year. Here's the movie's writer, director, 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.840 and producer Sean McEwen, who's known the siblings intimately for 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.240 eight years. The Doctor He's grew up in a small 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.400 house in La Couchee, Florida, located about fifty miles outside 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.200 of Disney. Mom Barbara was a nurse, and dad known 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:20.839 as Doc, worked in construction. And five kids in seven years, Lee, Grace, Dylan, Devon, 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.280 Aaron and Ryan growing up. The key lesson they instilled 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:28.640 on their kids with family first and loyalty is everything. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.400 Youngest Dockery, Ryan talks about their mother. My mom went 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.279 crabbing and fishing with me. My mom took me places, 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.440 my mom did ship with me. My mom careen love 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.040 for me. My mom tried real hard, but we were 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.480 just really willful kids, like I'm gonna do what I want. 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.080 My mom was always a worker in the family, like 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.320 my father did construction and demolition and stuff. But honestly, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.960 I think that my mom's payout class tis and my 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.320 father was able to kind of be like more of 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.200 a stay at home father with us kids, which was 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.680 a blessom. Here's oldest sister Lee Grace. Kids. We were 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:00.800 not the best of children. We are really bad. We 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.600 saw you know, we had behavior problems in school. If 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.640 we did get in trouble, you know, sometimes even my 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.520 dad would laugh at off. So we were raised strict, 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.719 but not maybe as strict as other kids. Ryan's always 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.159 been the baby of the family. You know, when you 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.000 grow up as the youngest child. Me and Ryan have 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.599 seven years age difference. He was the type of kid 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.320 that everybody just gravitated toward him. He was like the 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.560 golden child in our family. He was easy to love 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.719 and he was just so easy going. If we laughed 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.160 at a joke, he laughed. He just wanted to be 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.800 like the big kids. You know. We could be hungry, 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.240 We could be spending our last ninety nine on a 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.760 Hamburger and he would split it with me. Everything with 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.680 Ryan is fifty fifty. He wants to be able to 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.920 share things. He's so generous. Dylan was not afraid of anything. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.400 He was always there to protect us, even at a 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.120 young age. I always looked at Dylan like he had 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.160 this like hero complex. He always wanted to save somebody, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.520 even as we were adults. It was always like I 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.719 knew I could do whatever I wanted because I knew 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.719 that John was there to protect me. You know, I 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.760 could say whatever I wanted, I could fight with anybody, 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.560 and my brother was always going to back me up. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.760 You know. It was like my my protector. Even though 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.160 he's two years younger than me, I looked at him 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.840 as my equal. Here's Dylan. When he was a child, 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:18.760 his father wanted the best for him and felt he'd 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.880 have a few more opportunities living with his aunt and 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:24.080 uncle while still staying close to his siblings. Dylan was 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.600 legally adopted by his aunt and uncle, who he refers 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.520 to as stepmom and stepdad. I would say definitely a 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.039 good older brother. I just imparted all of the called 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.600 the wisdom that I received from our father and from 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.279 my stepdad and even my grandfather. My mom had five 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.520 kids in seven years, so there's not a whole lot 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.640 of space in between her, so we were all relatively 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.520 close to the same age. I think I was kind 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.440 of cool growing up. We're all kind of at the 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.920 same point in life together. So while the Doctuli's had 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:52.520 fun and leaned on each other during their childhood, things 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.160 were tough there wasn't a lot of money, and things 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.800 got even tough when once dad died. The siblings were young, Lee, 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.240 Grace was bull you dealing with s twelves, and Ryan 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.000 just seven years old, So it was hard on the 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.760 kids and possibly even harder on mom. The death of 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.640 father William Dockerty known as Doc, was tough on everyone, 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.720 especially mom Barbara. She was left with five kids to 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:16.960 raise on her own. So my dad was very young, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.320 he was only forty one years old. My mom was 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.080 left with all of us kids. Everything fell to my mom, 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.960 all the discipline, all the finances, and it was very 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.200 difficult for her, you know, because my dad was the 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.800 love of her life, her soul mate, so she was 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:34.520 going through losing her love and then also the father 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.640 of her children. And that made it really, really difficult 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.120 because my mom really had nobody to turn to. Her 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:44.120 family was very distant with her, so they weren't with 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.600 my mom's you know, nobody had my mom's back at 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.920 that point. She was by herself. She did everything on 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.080 her own. She always said the same thing, your father 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.560 is my best friend. I cannot live without him. So 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.840 I think that was a point where my mom realized 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.040 the person that she loved most of the world had 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.280 passed away, and I think it really really affected her, 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.680 you know, I think even more than she than she 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.640 put out there, because she was just struggling. He had 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.760 nobody to turn to. At this point, everyone was doing 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.760 the best they could. Older brother, Dylan, the one adopted 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:19.960 by his aunt and uncle, had his sight set high 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.440 and was on the straightened arrow. When I went to 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.040 ninth grade, my mom started home school met uh did 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.720 homeschooling for about a year and then enrolled in the 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.760 community college. And I went to school for a few semesters, 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.760 and then I just thought it did death really wasn't 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.320 what I wanted to do. I started working young don't 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.000 drive into construction and started making money and doing a 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.960 grown man's job when I was sixteen. And I was 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.520 making a grown man's paycheck at sixteen and was living 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.120 at my parents house, so I had funny of money 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.199 to spend. Lee Grace was living a rougher life, CouchSurfing 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.160 at various friends places, often with her younger sister Aaron. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.720 We were like gypsies. We were from here to here 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.720 to here. You know, we moved so much. I probably 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:01.199 lived in about twenty different places, so there wasn't really 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.280 one address that I was using. I was just kind 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.520 of going, you know, by the seat of my pamp 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.960 and my sister would be there with me. Aaron and 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:14.240 I were going from family friends to our boyfriend's apartments. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.520 We were fourteen and fifteen, so that was a direct 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.520 result of my dad's coffee. It was right after a 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.559 dad died when Lee Grace went off on her own 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.720 with her sister. Things were tough at home. Her relationship 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.560 with Mama's volatile, and the only way Lee Grace could 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.440 deal with grief and guilt was to get out of 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:35.160 the house. I wasn't dealing with my dad's death very well. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.360 She wasn't holding up her end of the bargain, and 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.800 I always I felt so much blame and so much 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.200 guilt for my dad dying because I was the oldest child, 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.800 and heart attacks are paused by stress, and you kids 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.160 stressed your dad out, and now he's dead, and what 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.280 are we gonna do. We don't have any money. Dad 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.680 didn't leave a will, we didn't have life insurance, so 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.240 it was like, you know, you're fourteen years old, You're 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.800 worried about getting your drawer's license, and going to up 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.000 dances and problems, and now I got to worry about 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:04.200 biblings and my mom. This chaotic living situation Ledley Grace 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.360 to drugs, stripping, and never holding down jobs for long. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.960 I never was able to stay in the same position 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.959 for any amount of time, because when you're in that 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.240 phase of your addiction, it's very hard to get up 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.959 in the morning. You're not cooked, you're working when you're hungover, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.240 or you're coming off a bad high, or you're coming 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.880 off a binder. So basically I had explained my situation 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.920 to some of the people that I work with, and 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.840 they basically said, we understand, thank you for telling us, 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.960 but you need to go home and come back in 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.480 a year when you've got your mind right. And instead 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.480 of taking that advice, I basically quit the job. Leaving 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.160 the traditional nine to five world would impactly Grace for 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.120 years to come, enabling her drug habit and driving her 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.439 deeper into addiction. And I went right back to dancing 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.920 because they don't care. You know, you come in at 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.200 six o'clock at night, seven o'clock at night to start 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.720 your shifts. They're not expecting you to take a drug test, 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.200 you know, they don't care a futurine Jewish pokes. You know, 0:10:58.240 --> 0:10:59.880 you could do whatever you want as long as you're 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.680 making me quients happy. You can be intoxicated at your job. 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.480 So that allowed me to flourish as a d answer. 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.320 There was no restraints. So if I wanted to be 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.240 on van x, if I wanted to be on roxy 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.760 Hood and that was what he enabled me to support 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.160 my habit likely Grace youngest Dougherty Ryan was also having 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.079 a tough time. He was living with his mom, getting 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:22.559 in and out of trouble with the law and not 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.000 going very far. Here he is speaking with Beth Greenwald again. 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.720 My mother always hald like a really strong work ethic 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.439 and so like. I think I got my first job 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.720 when I was like thirteen years old, fourteen, and then 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.960 I always worked and went to school at the same time. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:36.920 But then I got kicked out of high school. They 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.840 didn't give you like a suspension and let you come back, no, 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.239 so like, and then I had to go to adulthood 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.520 and then I got my g D. And what did 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.400 you do after you did the adult education thing? I 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.120 funked around a lot. I just sold small amounts of 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.560 drugs and hung out. I didn't really have that much ambition, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.960 so I just kind of like a hedonistic streak in me. 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.200 And I like to do drugs and I like to 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.320 lay on the beach man. I like to go so finn. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.840 I like to drive around. I like to do things 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.120 you'd like to do in your nineteam drink too much 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.040 and drive to Ryan's brother, Dylan stepped in and help 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.880 Brian get back on track. After a while, my brother 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.720 told me, if you want, I'll get you a job 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:14.840 over here. And I moved to the Pepford Hills and 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.520 hung out with my brother and I got to know 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.360 him a lot better, and thembre about five years in 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.000 my life I got to spend with my brother, so 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.040 I was really grateful for that time. And he taught 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.280 me a lot about the counter work on cars. He 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:26.560 told me how to do a lot of things with 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.640 my hands because I was raising in a household essentially 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.280 with all women, so like missing a lot of man 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.320 type of education. And that's the type of ship that 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.160 I got a crash course in from him. Ryan was 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.040 twenty years old at this point, and not only was 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.440 he doing well professionally, but his personal life was in 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.480 a really happy place. Well, my baby's mother was pregnant. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.600 I like that whole experience, Like she was never more 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.960 beautiful to me than when she was pregnant. She got 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.560 big as a goddamn beach ball, and she was the 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.280 prettiest I've ever seen their little chubby. Here's Dylan again 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.760 talking about Ryan. He just needed an opportunity, That's all 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.679 I needed with the opportunity, and I forwarded him the 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:04.360 opportunity to do better. And this call was from the 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.000 Federal prison better. And he was doing and he was 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:08.439 doing good. He was doing the right things. He was 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.520 going to work, he was being productive. He would have 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.320 been taking care of his kid in his with his girlfriend, 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.520 and he was in a position to be a part 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.800 of his DS life and be a positive influence and 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:22.920 obviously working. On August first eleven, everything changed. Ryan was 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.120 set to appear in court for something that happened two 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.200 years prior when he was a teenager. Ryan intended on 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:32.480 pleading no contest to two felony charges, the first sending 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:37.760 a minor harmful information, the second lewd and the siviest conduct. However, 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.640 when he got to court, the deal he thought he'd 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.199 agreed to had changed. He explains the original agreement his 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.199 lawyer presented him with. My lawyer promised me. He's like, yo, 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.040 when you come to court, you're gonna get probation for something, 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.600 and it's gonna be a non sex offendery charge and 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:54.720 you're not gonna have to register. You're gonna have to 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.840 do five years of probation. And I'm like, all right, bet, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:03.120 I'll sign up for that. We're going to take a 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:14.040 quick break here. We'll be back in a moment. Two 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.720 years prior to the court appearance, Ryan had sent sexually 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.960 explicit text messages back and forth with an underaged girl 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.400 he'd never met. He'd stayed out of trouble after that, 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.240 but it was now time to face the fallout from 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.280 what he'd done. On that day in court August first, 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.160 two thousand eleven, Ryan's lawyer informed him there was a 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.160 different prosecutor and a completely different deal on the table. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.000 And then I get the court. The son of a 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.640 bitch is late. He's like, all the state attorney has changed. 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.880 It's not the guy anymore. And the best deal she's 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.960 telling the cut with you his twelve years reprovation. And 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:43.840 I'm like, fuck that ship. We'll crank it up and 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.040 go to trial. I've already paid your almost twenty racks, 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.760 which the majority of my mom, Paige, who could ill 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.400 afford it. Ryan's attorney went on to explain what going 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.240 to trial would mean for him. It was an impossible choice. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.240 But if you go to trial, they're gonna pull your 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:57.960 bond and put you in jail. Right now, Well, my 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.000 son was supposed to be born ten days from there. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.360 I don't want to miss that. Like I don't know. 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.280 I'm just bad, bad, bad, bad and worse like shitty option, 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.280 worse option, worse option. When Ryan went to court, older 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.680 brother Dylan had planned to go with him but didn't. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.200 It's something that haunts Dill into this day. But it 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.760 was very odd the whole way that everything got forward 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.920 and transpired. I was supposed to go to court with 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:20.760 him that day, and I was busy. Might have been 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.800 that things would have happened differently. I would have what 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.040 would happening. I probably have told him we'll going to trial, 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.240 you know what I mean. But Ryan had to make 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.840 the decision on the spot, and he chose probation. I 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:34.000 came from the courthouse immediately to the probation office. He 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.040 said I did not need a monitor, and then I 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.280 got to the probation office and they were like, you 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.760 need one, and I argue with the p O and 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.280 he was like, well, we can figure it out down 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.040 the road, but fuck you for right now. You'll do 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.280 as I say, or I'll violate you right here and now. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.120 And it's like you're excluding me from society to the 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.240 point of where how am I supposed to succeed? Ryan 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.360 raced home from the meeting with the parole officer to 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.520 get to his house. The officer was set to do 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.240 a home check shortly after their meeting, and Ryan wanted 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.360 to beat him there. So I'm driving my ass off, 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.000 and the whole time I'm kind of like paranoid that 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.080 they can see how fast I'm going. I'm worried. I 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:07.680 want to get home to get the guns out of 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.960 the house before they get there. Dylan was there before 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.320 I got home. I just unloaded on him and told me, 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.600 first of all, we squared everything with the probation and 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.000 ship like that in about court and what happened there, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.000 and I said, Bro, I just can't take it anymore. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.120 I have reached a point where I just can't do it. Bro, 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.000 the officer ride to the house right after Ryan did. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.400 Dylan was staying there, as was Ryan's nine months pregnant 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:34.520 girlfriend Amber. Since Ryan was charged with sexually inappropriate texting 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.600 with the minor, the probation officer was looking for evidence 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.080 of any children in the home, which would be a violation. 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.600 The crib and other preparation for the baby to come. 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.760 We're everywhere. The probation officers like, hey, when your son 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:48.840 is born, you can't be around him, And I'm like, 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.280 what are you talking about. It's gonna be borne in 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.520 ten days. This is where she lives, where she's putting 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.000 I don't know, but she can't be here. So it's 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:59.120 like an impossible situation all the way around it, Like 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.600 what what didn't you expect? What did you think was 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.720 going to happen out of that situation that you put 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.960 me in. Granted I did, I did what I did, 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.359 and I put myself in that situation. It was my 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.200 fault that it got to that point. But when I'm 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.240 in that point, you're not helping me. You're hurting me. 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.399 You're pouring water on me while I'm in the water. 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.800 I'm drowning here, and you're like, hey, I have this 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.520 cup of water. You look thirsty. In order for Ryan 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.800 to meet the requirements of his probation, he had to 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.840 provide his home address. It seems like a simple ask, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.080 but it was anything but Dylan helps explain why it 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.680 really at all fulled down to the address. I think 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.879 in the trial it's known as the yellow House. He 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.119 doesn't actually have a street address. It doesn't have a 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.320 physical address. And there's doing all these you know, hoops 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.920 and loops and why he can't provide this address while 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.160 the probation officer knows that he lives here and says, oh, 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:47.920 if he doesn't provide the address and we're gonna fil 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.640 him such and such. Ryan was given just forty eight 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.080 hours to officially get his home address and to have 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.840 two pieces of mail delivered to him stating the address, 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.919 and to have that reflected on his driver's license. It 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.639 was an impossibility a year's older brother, Dylan. That was 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.960 the root cause, because I had the probation officer not said, oh, 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:07.359 we're gonna come back and you know we're gonna I'm 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:08.920 gonna Diviyl like you, and it was just like what 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:10.480 you know what I mean? There was no way to 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.680 get an address for the place because the place didn't 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.080 in the house didn't have a mail box. The house 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.680 was a part of a larger piece of property. In 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.359 the house is like on the back corner of it 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.120 on another street, and it didn't actually have an address. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.520 The house was just there with Miller's dress. That's why 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.480 it's called the yellow house. And of course the neighbor 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.080 has an addressed, and the other house and other si 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.919 has an address, but for some reason, this house doesn't 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.840 have an address. And I know this sounds really weird, 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.840