1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Docerty Gang, a production of I Heart 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Radio and Katie Studios. Docr To Gang is the true 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: story of three siblings. Twenty nine year oldly Grace, I'm 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: the oldest. We have a very, very loving family. Our 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: family is very accepting. If you make a mistake, our 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: family will shoot you out and they will quickly open 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: their arms. Twenty six year old Dylan. I wish it 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: had not happened the way, and I wish I had 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: never been put in that position. And obviously if I 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: could go back, I would change a lot in twenty 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: one year old Ryan. I'm not good at covering my track. 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm not good at lying. I'm not good at being 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: a cheater. And I'll even'll wake behind me like a 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: mile wide. The three went on an eight day fifteen 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: state Crimes free in two thousand eleven that rocked the country. 16 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: They liked the notoriety, They liked the fact that they 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: were on the Monday, liked that they were getting national attention. 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: That just played in the hole, you know, Bonnie and Clade. 19 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: They went from wielding an eight key forty seven while 20 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: trying to outrun police in Florida. The police tried to 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: pull the sibling Joe the first speeding, but instead officers 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: say the Doherty's pulled out a gun firing December twenty 23 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: shots to robbing a bank in Georgia. What do you 24 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: get out of it? You get federal charges, you get 25 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: to FBI chasing, and you're gonna get your picture taken 26 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: to leading police on a high speed car chase across 27 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: Colorado ending in a shower of bullets fifty But that's 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: not where the story begins ten years, because we're coming 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: up in ten years and I mean, we've done thirty years. 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: This is the Dockerty Gang Episode one. We can't change 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: the past, not yet. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer 32 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: at Katie Studios with Stephanie Ledecker. We've been working with 33 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: producer Beth Greenwald and The Dockerty Gang for months now. 34 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: The three siblings have agreed to tell their story for 35 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: the very first time, each from separate prisons. Lee Grace 36 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Dockerty is at Federal Corrections Institute Aliceville and Alabama. Ryan 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: is in the United States Penitentiary Tucson in Arizona, and 38 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: Dylan is at the Federal Corrections Institute in Bennonsville, South Carolina. 39 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: This call was from the federal prison. The last time 40 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: I spoke to my dad. I don't know if you 41 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: ever talked to anybody on their death bed, or had 42 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: anybody that you know asked you to do something while 43 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: they're trying I guess, but it's the definitely weighed on me. 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: You know, it was something that I really later on 45 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: took the heart. They didn't say, you know, respect your mom, 46 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: or do good in the school, or be nice to 47 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: your sisters or anything like that. You told me the 48 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: last thing I remember him telling me he was looking 49 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: out for your little brother. I don't know if he 50 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: knew and was going to be right there soon, but 51 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: he thought about four hours after that. That's older brother, 52 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: Dylan Dougherty. He was just twelve years old when he 53 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: made a promise to his father on his deathbed that 54 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: he would take care of his little brother. It would 55 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: change the course of Dylan's entire life. Here he is 56 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: speaking with Beth Greenwald. Family always seems to be the 57 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: most important thing to all of you guys. Is it 58 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: because you lost your dad? It was just the way 59 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: that you were raised For my dad, you know, family 60 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: was everything, and that's definitely where I got those ethos 61 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: from from him. You know, family, trump's all. No matter 62 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: what happens in your family is always tiring. Do you 63 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: think things would have been any different if you're if 64 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: your dad hadn't passed That's a big question. But John Daddie, 65 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: I think things would be a lot different if my 66 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: father had passed away. Their story was covered in the 67 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: national media and it made us want to know more. 68 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: This man hunt has been going on for more than 69 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: a week. Harmed, dangerous, and all in the same family 70 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: that led to a twenty mile long chase at speeds 71 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: of over a hundred miles an hour. Are they three 72 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: goldenhearted siblings willing to risk everything for each other or 73 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: were they just looking for notoriety. My brother is going 74 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: to be on the run. I'm going to be on 75 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: the run. I'm on probation, and I burned all my bridges. 76 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: It's a really strange feeling to be untethered. You don't 77 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: have anything that means anything to you anymore. You've lost 78 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: everything that matters. You can't go self surrendered. That doesn't matter. 79 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: You're still gonna get the same amount of time you're 80 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: gonna get whether or not you keep going from There, 81 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: feature film based on the cross country crime spree set 82 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: to be released later this year. Here's the movie's writer, director, 83 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: and producer Sean McEwen, who's known the siblings intimately for 84 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: eight years. The Doctor He's grew up in a small 85 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: house in La Couchee, Florida, located about fifty miles outside 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: of Disney. Mom Barbara was a nurse, and dad known 87 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: as Doc, worked in construction. And five kids in seven years, Lee, Grace, Dylan, Devon, 88 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: Aaron and Ryan growing up. The key lesson they instilled 89 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: on their kids with family first and loyalty is everything. 90 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: Youngest Dockery, Ryan talks about their mother. My mom went 91 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: crabbing and fishing with me. My mom took me places, 92 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: my mom did ship with me. My mom careen love 93 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: for me. My mom tried real hard, but we were 94 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: just really willful kids, like I'm gonna do what I want. 95 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: My mom was always a worker in the family, like 96 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: my father did construction and demolition and stuff. But honestly, 97 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: I think that my mom's payout class tis and my 98 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: father was able to kind of be like more of 99 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: a stay at home father with us kids, which was 100 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: a blessom. Here's oldest sister Lee Grace. Kids. We were 101 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: not the best of children. We are really bad. We 102 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: saw you know, we had behavior problems in school. If 103 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: we did get in trouble, you know, sometimes even my 104 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: dad would laugh at off. So we were raised strict, 105 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: but not maybe as strict as other kids. Ryan's always 106 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: been the baby of the family. You know, when you 107 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: grow up as the youngest child. Me and Ryan have 108 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: seven years age difference. He was the type of kid 109 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: that everybody just gravitated toward him. He was like the 110 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: golden child in our family. He was easy to love 111 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: and he was just so easy going. If we laughed 112 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: at a joke, he laughed. He just wanted to be 113 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: like the big kids. You know. We could be hungry, 114 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: We could be spending our last ninety nine on a 115 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: Hamburger and he would split it with me. Everything with 116 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: Ryan is fifty fifty. He wants to be able to 117 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: share things. He's so generous. Dylan was not afraid of anything. 118 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: He was always there to protect us, even at a 119 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: young age. I always looked at Dylan like he had 120 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: this like hero complex. He always wanted to save somebody, 121 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: even as we were adults. It was always like I 122 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: knew I could do whatever I wanted because I knew 123 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: that John was there to protect me. You know, I 124 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: could say whatever I wanted, I could fight with anybody, 125 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: and my brother was always going to back me up. 126 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: You know. It was like my my protector. Even though 127 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: he's two years younger than me, I looked at him 128 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: as my equal. Here's Dylan. When he was a child, 129 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: his father wanted the best for him and felt he'd 130 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: have a few more opportunities living with his aunt and 131 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: uncle while still staying close to his siblings. Dylan was 132 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: legally adopted by his aunt and uncle, who he refers 133 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: to as stepmom and stepdad. I would say definitely a 134 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: good older brother. I just imparted all of the called 135 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: the wisdom that I received from our father and from 136 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: my stepdad and even my grandfather. My mom had five 137 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: kids in seven years, so there's not a whole lot 138 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: of space in between her, so we were all relatively 139 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: close to the same age. I think I was kind 140 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: of cool growing up. We're all kind of at the 141 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: same point in life together. So while the Doctuli's had 142 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: fun and leaned on each other during their childhood, things 143 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: were tough there wasn't a lot of money, and things 144 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: got even tough when once dad died. The siblings were young, Lee, 145 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: Grace was bull you dealing with s twelves, and Ryan 146 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: just seven years old, So it was hard on the 147 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: kids and possibly even harder on mom. The death of 148 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: father William Dockerty known as Doc, was tough on everyone, 149 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: especially mom Barbara. She was left with five kids to 150 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: raise on her own. So my dad was very young, 151 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: he was only forty one years old. My mom was 152 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: left with all of us kids. Everything fell to my mom, 153 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: all the discipline, all the finances, and it was very 154 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: difficult for her, you know, because my dad was the 155 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: love of her life, her soul mate, so she was 156 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: going through losing her love and then also the father 157 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: of her children. And that made it really, really difficult 158 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: because my mom really had nobody to turn to. Her 159 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: family was very distant with her, so they weren't with 160 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: my mom's you know, nobody had my mom's back at 161 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: that point. She was by herself. She did everything on 162 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: her own. She always said the same thing, your father 163 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: is my best friend. I cannot live without him. So 164 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: I think that was a point where my mom realized 165 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: the person that she loved most of the world had 166 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: passed away, and I think it really really affected her, 167 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think even more than she than she 168 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: put out there, because she was just struggling. He had 169 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: nobody to turn to. At this point, everyone was doing 170 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: the best they could. Older brother, Dylan, the one adopted 171 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: by his aunt and uncle, had his sight set high 172 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: and was on the straightened arrow. When I went to 173 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: ninth grade, my mom started home school met uh did 174 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: homeschooling for about a year and then enrolled in the 175 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: community college. And I went to school for a few semesters, 176 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: and then I just thought it did death really wasn't 177 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. I started working young don't 178 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: drive into construction and started making money and doing a 179 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: grown man's job when I was sixteen. And I was 180 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: making a grown man's paycheck at sixteen and was living 181 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: at my parents house, so I had funny of money 182 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: to spend. Lee Grace was living a rougher life, CouchSurfing 183 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: at various friends places, often with her younger sister Aaron. 184 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: We were like gypsies. We were from here to here 185 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: to here. You know, we moved so much. I probably 186 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: lived in about twenty different places, so there wasn't really 187 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: one address that I was using. I was just kind 188 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: of going, you know, by the seat of my pamp 189 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: and my sister would be there with me. Aaron and 190 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: I were going from family friends to our boyfriend's apartments. 191 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: We were fourteen and fifteen, so that was a direct 192 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: result of my dad's coffee. It was right after a 193 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: dad died when Lee Grace went off on her own 194 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: with her sister. Things were tough at home. Her relationship 195 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: with Mama's volatile, and the only way Lee Grace could 196 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: deal with grief and guilt was to get out of 197 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: the house. I wasn't dealing with my dad's death very well. 198 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: She wasn't holding up her end of the bargain, and 199 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: I always I felt so much blame and so much 200 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: guilt for my dad dying because I was the oldest child, 201 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: and heart attacks are paused by stress, and you kids 202 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: stressed your dad out, and now he's dead, and what 203 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: are we gonna do. We don't have any money. Dad 204 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: didn't leave a will, we didn't have life insurance, so 205 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, you're fourteen years old, You're 206 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: worried about getting your drawer's license, and going to up 207 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: dances and problems, and now I got to worry about 208 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: biblings and my mom. This chaotic living situation Ledley Grace 209 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: to drugs, stripping, and never holding down jobs for long. 210 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: I never was able to stay in the same position 211 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: for any amount of time, because when you're in that 212 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: phase of your addiction, it's very hard to get up 213 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: in the morning. You're not cooked, you're working when you're hungover, 214 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: or you're coming off a bad high, or you're coming 215 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: off a binder. So basically I had explained my situation 216 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: to some of the people that I work with, and 217 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: they basically said, we understand, thank you for telling us, 218 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: but you need to go home and come back in 219 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: a year when you've got your mind right. And instead 220 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: of taking that advice, I basically quit the job. Leaving 221 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: the traditional nine to five world would impactly Grace for 222 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: years to come, enabling her drug habit and driving her 223 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: deeper into addiction. And I went right back to dancing 224 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: because they don't care. You know, you come in at 225 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: six o'clock at night, seven o'clock at night to start 226 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: your shifts. They're not expecting you to take a drug test, 227 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, they don't care a futurine Jewish pokes. You know, 228 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: you could do whatever you want as long as you're 229 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: making me quients happy. You can be intoxicated at your job. 230 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: So that allowed me to flourish as a d answer. 231 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: There was no restraints. So if I wanted to be 232 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: on van x, if I wanted to be on roxy 233 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: Hood and that was what he enabled me to support 234 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: my habit likely Grace youngest Dougherty Ryan was also having 235 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: a tough time. He was living with his mom, getting 236 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: in and out of trouble with the law and not 237 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: going very far. Here he is speaking with Beth Greenwald again. 238 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: My mother always hald like a really strong work ethic 239 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: and so like. I think I got my first job 240 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: when I was like thirteen years old, fourteen, and then 241 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: I always worked and went to school at the same time. 242 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: But then I got kicked out of high school. They 243 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: didn't give you like a suspension and let you come back, no, 244 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,239 Speaker 1: so like, and then I had to go to adulthood 245 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: and then I got my g D. And what did 246 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: you do after you did the adult education thing? I 247 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: funked around a lot. I just sold small amounts of 248 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: drugs and hung out. I didn't really have that much ambition, 249 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: so I just kind of like a hedonistic streak in me. 250 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: And I like to do drugs and I like to 251 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: lay on the beach man. I like to go so finn. 252 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: I like to drive around. I like to do things 253 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: you'd like to do in your nineteam drink too much 254 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: and drive to Ryan's brother, Dylan stepped in and help 255 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: Brian get back on track. After a while, my brother 256 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: told me, if you want, I'll get you a job 257 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: over here. And I moved to the Pepford Hills and 258 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: hung out with my brother and I got to know 259 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: him a lot better, and thembre about five years in 260 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: my life I got to spend with my brother, so 261 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: I was really grateful for that time. And he taught 262 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: me a lot about the counter work on cars. He 263 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: told me how to do a lot of things with 264 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: my hands because I was raising in a household essentially 265 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: with all women, so like missing a lot of man 266 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: type of education. And that's the type of ship that 267 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: I got a crash course in from him. Ryan was 268 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: twenty years old at this point, and not only was 269 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: he doing well professionally, but his personal life was in 270 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: a really happy place. Well, my baby's mother was pregnant. 271 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: I like that whole experience, Like she was never more 272 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: beautiful to me than when she was pregnant. She got 273 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: big as a goddamn beach ball, and she was the 274 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: prettiest I've ever seen their little chubby. Here's Dylan again 275 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: talking about Ryan. He just needed an opportunity, That's all 276 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: I needed with the opportunity, and I forwarded him the 277 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to do better. And this call was from the 278 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: Federal prison better. And he was doing and he was 279 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: doing good. He was doing the right things. He was 280 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: going to work, he was being productive. He would have 281 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: been taking care of his kid in his with his girlfriend, 282 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: and he was in a position to be a part 283 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: of his DS life and be a positive influence and 284 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: obviously working. On August first eleven, everything changed. Ryan was 285 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: set to appear in court for something that happened two 286 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: years prior when he was a teenager. Ryan intended on 287 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: pleading no contest to two felony charges, the first sending 288 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: a minor harmful information, the second lewd and the siviest conduct. However, 289 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: when he got to court, the deal he thought he'd 290 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: agreed to had changed. He explains the original agreement his 291 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: lawyer presented him with. My lawyer promised me. He's like, yo, 292 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: when you come to court, you're gonna get probation for something, 293 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a non sex offendery charge and 294 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: you're not gonna have to register. You're gonna have to 295 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: do five years of probation. And I'm like, all right, bet, 296 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: I'll sign up for that. We're going to take a 297 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: quick break here. We'll be back in a moment. Two 298 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: years prior to the court appearance, Ryan had sent sexually 299 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: explicit text messages back and forth with an underaged girl 300 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: he'd never met. He'd stayed out of trouble after that, 301 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: but it was now time to face the fallout from 302 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: what he'd done. On that day in court August first, 303 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, Ryan's lawyer informed him there was a 304 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: different prosecutor and a completely different deal on the table. 305 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: And then I get the court. The son of a 306 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: bitch is late. He's like, all the state attorney has changed. 307 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: It's not the guy anymore. And the best deal she's 308 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: telling the cut with you his twelve years reprovation. And 309 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck that ship. We'll crank it up and 310 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: go to trial. I've already paid your almost twenty racks, 311 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: which the majority of my mom, Paige, who could ill 312 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: afford it. Ryan's attorney went on to explain what going 313 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: to trial would mean for him. It was an impossible choice. 314 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: But if you go to trial, they're gonna pull your 315 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: bond and put you in jail. Right now, Well, my 316 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: son was supposed to be born ten days from there. 317 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to miss that. Like I don't know. 318 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm just bad, bad, bad, bad and worse like shitty option, 319 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: worse option, worse option. When Ryan went to court, older 320 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: brother Dylan had planned to go with him but didn't. 321 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: It's something that haunts Dill into this day. But it 322 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: was very odd the whole way that everything got forward 323 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: and transpired. I was supposed to go to court with 324 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: him that day, and I was busy. Might have been 325 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: that things would have happened differently. I would have what 326 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: would happening. I probably have told him we'll going to trial, 327 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But Ryan had to make 328 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: the decision on the spot, and he chose probation. I 329 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: came from the courthouse immediately to the probation office. He 330 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: said I did not need a monitor, and then I 331 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: got to the probation office and they were like, you 332 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: need one, and I argue with the p O and 333 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: he was like, well, we can figure it out down 334 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: the road, but fuck you for right now. You'll do 335 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: as I say, or I'll violate you right here and now. 336 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: And it's like you're excluding me from society to the 337 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: point of where how am I supposed to succeed? Ryan 338 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: raced home from the meeting with the parole officer to 339 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: get to his house. The officer was set to do 340 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: a home check shortly after their meeting, and Ryan wanted 341 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: to beat him there. So I'm driving my ass off, 342 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: and the whole time I'm kind of like paranoid that 343 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: they can see how fast I'm going. I'm worried. I 344 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: want to get home to get the guns out of 345 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: the house before they get there. Dylan was there before 346 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: I got home. I just unloaded on him and told me, 347 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: first of all, we squared everything with the probation and 348 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: ship like that in about court and what happened there, 349 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: and I said, Bro, I just can't take it anymore. 350 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: I have reached a point where I just can't do it. Bro, 351 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: the officer ride to the house right after Ryan did. 352 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: Dylan was staying there, as was Ryan's nine months pregnant 353 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: girlfriend Amber. Since Ryan was charged with sexually inappropriate texting 354 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: with the minor, the probation officer was looking for evidence 355 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: of any children in the home, which would be a violation. 356 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: The crib and other preparation for the baby to come. 357 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: We're everywhere. The probation officers like, hey, when your son 358 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: is born, you can't be around him, And I'm like, 359 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: what are you talking about. It's gonna be borne in 360 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: ten days. This is where she lives, where she's putting 361 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, but she can't be here. So it's 362 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: like an impossible situation all the way around it, Like 363 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: what what didn't you expect? What did you think was 364 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: going to happen out of that situation that you put 365 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: me in. Granted I did, I did what I did, 366 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: and I put myself in that situation. It was my 367 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: fault that it got to that point. But when I'm 368 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: in that point, you're not helping me. You're hurting me. 369 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: You're pouring water on me while I'm in the water. 370 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm drowning here, and you're like, hey, I have this 371 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: cup of water. You look thirsty. In order for Ryan 372 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: to meet the requirements of his probation, he had to 373 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: provide his home address. It seems like a simple ask, 374 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: but it was anything but Dylan helps explain why it 375 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: really at all fulled down to the address. I think 376 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: in the trial it's known as the yellow House. He 377 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: doesn't actually have a street address. It doesn't have a 378 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: physical address. And there's doing all these you know, hoops 379 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: and loops and why he can't provide this address while 380 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: the probation officer knows that he lives here and says, oh, 381 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: if he doesn't provide the address and we're gonna fil 382 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: him such and such. Ryan was given just forty eight 383 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: hours to officially get his home address and to have 384 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: two pieces of mail delivered to him stating the address, 385 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: and to have that reflected on his driver's license. It 386 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: was an impossibility a year's older brother, Dylan. That was 387 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: the root cause, because I had the probation officer not said, oh, 388 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna come back and you know we're gonna I'm 389 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: gonna Diviyl like you, and it was just like what 390 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? There was no way to 391 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: get an address for the place because the place didn't 392 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: in the house didn't have a mail box. The house 393 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: was a part of a larger piece of property. In 394 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: the house is like on the back corner of it 395 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: on another street, and it didn't actually have an address. 396 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: The house was just there with Miller's dress. That's why 397 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: it's called the yellow house. And of course the neighbor 398 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: has an addressed, and the other house and other si 399 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: has an address, but for some reason, this house doesn't 400 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: have an address. And I know this sounds really weird, 401 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: but that is the fact. Ryan was frantic thinking about 402 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: what would need to happen to fulfill his probation requirements. 403 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: I mean literally, like if the probation officer would have 404 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: done what I was asking him for, which was I said, hey, bro, 405 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: let me get like one week. Because in Florida to 406 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: do anything at the d m V office, you have 407 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: to have your air certificate, social Security card, in two 408 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: forms of certified mail. You have to have all of 409 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: that in order to change anything on your driver's license 410 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: or and to do anything in your driver's license in 411 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: order to up foot in the d n B. That's 412 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: all provable facts, and then the provable facts at the 413 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 1: place that I was living, so I didn't even have 414 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: a mailbox. All I have was a post office box. 415 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: How long would it take to get a mailbox installed? 416 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: How long would it take from them to get two 417 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: forms to certify mail to the house. And I think 418 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: everything to some extent was heightened again. They put you 419 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: on probation instead of putting you in jail for a reason, 420 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: but then they made it virtually impossible for you to 421 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: hit the conditions of that probation, which means that you 422 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: were just going to be sent to jail either way. 423 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: Ryan felt completely out of options. In forty eight hours, 424 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: the probation officer would be back and Ryan would be 425 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: arrested for violating parole. He would go to jail, leaving 426 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: his nine months pregnant girlfriend alone to have their baby, 427 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: the son he would not be able to live with. 428 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: The only thing I ever really like dreamed about that 429 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: I really wanted mad would to be a father. And 430 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm not that hard to please write like I really 431 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: wanted really amazing it, like I wanted are now so, 432 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: I wanted it on a nice car. I wanted even 433 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: blow and I wanted somebody to be able to share 434 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: my life with and to have kids and to teach 435 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: them better than I got taught, or to just have 436 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: kids to enjoy. It's not experienced to be able to 437 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: give one I good to them, to be able to 438 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: give something back to other people too. But more than anything, 439 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: Ryan wanted to be a father. It was really frustrating 440 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: for me to see a situation he was kind of 441 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: shoehorned into, you know, pitching hole or whatever you want 442 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: to call it. And I didn't say to him, but 443 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: I thought of my head, I might do. I be 444 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: a man, You'll leave my son like a little video message. 445 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: Put all the things that I have that are value 446 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: in a bag, walk in the woods and eat a bullet. 447 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: Let's stop here for another quick break. We'll be back 448 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: at a moment. You know, I didn't know if I 449 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: was going to do that or if I was just 450 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: gonna make a vicious last stand, because I didn't care 451 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: if it was just banging it out. This had this 452 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: call was from the federal prison and nowhere to direct it. 453 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: You know, that night, Ryan concocted a plan with Dylan 454 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: and older sister Lee Grace. Ryan had his ankle monitor 455 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: on and thought it might be recording him, so The 456 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: three wrote notes back and forth. The plan was for 457 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: Ryan to leave the very next morning and drive to Mexico. 458 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: Once he crossed the border, he would call for his 459 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: girlfriend and baby son so they could all be together 460 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: as a family. Dylan and Lee Grace were never going 461 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: to let him do it alone. I was just so 462 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,239 Speaker 1: upset at the situation. I didn't know what we were 463 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: going to do. So when I went to my brother's house, 464 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: my idea was, my brother's going to be on the run. 465 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to be on the run. Not only did 466 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: Lee Grace want to support Ryan, but she'd recently hit 467 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: rock bottom and had nothing tying her to Florida. I 468 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: got hired at my first club June of two thousand, 469 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: so by the time two thousand eleven came around, I 470 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: had been a d answer for eleven years. I was jeating, 471 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: really burn out. I didn't want to do it anymore. 472 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to settle down. I wanted to have a family. 473 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to have a good job where I made 474 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: lots of money. And I guess I didn't really know 475 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: how to put all those points together. Lee Grace had 476 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: just broken up with their long term boyfriend, Brendan and 477 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: was deep in her addiction. I had broken up with Brendan. 478 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: We had a really bad breakup, so that sent me 479 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: into a tailspin. And I was basically going from friend 480 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: a friend, getting whatever prescription drugs they had, doing them, 481 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: and leaving the friend's house with their prescription drugs with 482 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: or without their permission. So I had basically burned all 483 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: my bridges with a lot of my friends, and I 484 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: really didn't have anywhere else to go. And I was 485 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: very upset that I wasn't in a good stable relationship, 486 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: because relationships are very, very important to me, especially with 487 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: a significant other. The fresh breakup with Brendan was amplified 488 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: by old wounds Lee. Grace's youngest sister, Aaron, the one 489 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: she spent years with couch surfing as a teenager, had 490 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: passed away. She died of the same heart disease that 491 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: killed their father and the entire family, but especially like Grace, 492 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: was left angry and adrift. You know, I've always had 493 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: that relationship with Brendan that he has been there for me. 494 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: He's seen me through so many things, the death of 495 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: my sister Aaron. He's seen me lose jobs, he's seen 496 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: me in tears, hysteric, hysterically crying, you know, losing my mind. 497 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: And he's always been there. He's always been that type 498 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: of house that I can live at, you know, the 499 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: guy that will always take you back. So when I 500 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: lost that, I just felt like I had nothing and 501 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: I just wanted to go on the run. Ryan was 502 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: also devastated by the loss of their sister, Aaron. When 503 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: my sister died, that was a vicious one because man, 504 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: if you want to talk about a completely different person, 505 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: that's where it felt like I developed two separate personalities 506 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: that gone in my head at any given time. Dylan 507 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: understandably had a similar reaction when Aaron passed away, or 508 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: was like, I had to destrove at home, but you know, 509 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: not guarantee tomorrow, and that's time with your family is important. 510 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: It's just not something's gonna last forever. This idea of 511 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: family being important above all else is what drove Dylan 512 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: to join Ryan and Lee Grace on the planned escape 513 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: to Mexico. You know, at the time, it was what 514 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: I thought was best and most sound solution, and obviously, 515 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: you know things that would do over younger, and maybe 516 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: you should have slept on the idea before he had 517 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: followed through with it, but you know those are all 518 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: maybies and hips and fIF fifth would all be drunk. 519 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: So I felt like everything was really snaptic head because 520 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I 521 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: was frustrated because you know, I brought I was younger, 522 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: You did a lot of dumb stuff. I just felt 523 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: like he was just unfair from the start. You know, 524 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: they were bad decisions made under arrest. And obviously, if 525 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: I could go back, I wouldn't change for change a lot, 526 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, as far as what happens. But you know, 527 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: we can't change the pass, not yet. I think he 528 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: was under so much stress that my brother Ryan, he 529 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: did not know what to do. You know, he's a 530 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: young man. He was under a lot of pressure from 531 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: his baby's mother. I do remember that. I so paranoid. 532 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: I thought that the ankle bracelet that I had on, 533 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, might be able even to pick up audio. 534 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: It was just a whirlwind. People like, oh, it's far 535 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: it's far off to pay, you know what. I was like, Well, 536 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: open to the door and put your foot on the ground. 537 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: More on that next time. The Dougherty Gang is executive 538 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: produced by Stephanie Lae Ducker and me Courtney Armstrong, along 539 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: with Beth Greenwald and Shaun McEwen. Editing and sound design 540 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: is by Jeff Twa and additional producing by Chris Graeves 541 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: and Jeff Shane. 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